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dammit 😦
dammit
Lol
Players just better
Paris is the second best team
Paris>fusion
lmao
Not by a long shot lol
hot take
?
I wonder if Fielder playing on 200 ms is such a big of a difference
Charge, shanghai, nyxl> paris
I think paris plays better as a team than fusions
paris ain't number 2 lmao
hes prob talking NA
Yeah I mean NA
prolly just talking NA
Xddd
i might put paris above nyxl
Nah
Also nyxl isn’t better than Paris
^^ fax
Nyxl trash
At least this is more competitive then their first matchup
Overrated
already
What New York are we talking, tournament New York or normal game New York
so is paris doing better than philly
Ofc not
Paris would beat philly
I think paris vs phily would go neck to neck especially in tourney format
I would have loved to see semi Philly vs Paris
They play easy teams ya dummy

they already won 3-2
Imagine thinking nyxl is good
once
Atlantic team playing Asia pacific teams
Yeah they’re always super close against philly but with the new additions they’re just better
I think fusions have better players but paris plays better as a team
lmao
I think they do phily don't really play that well as a team they are all just individually cracked af
Yeah^
Tanks are mediocre
nyxl would actually stomp majority of na teams
Philly has no leader really
and i say that as a nyxl hater
Their comms are rlly bad

Like when owl makes those comms vids
lmao
Can say that about other good teams
The Comms Overlord talking out here.
The philly comms are so messy
They lost
the reason why phily got rekt by shock more than paris is lack of synergy in fusions
Nah it shows man
most of apac would probably convincingly take na teams
They look confused a lot of the time
bar ahem chengdu
The proprietor of the GOD Comms
shock would beat all apac teams though imo

i'd really wanna see charge v shock ngl
rascal is the best mei in the league
i do think apac maybe wouldn't be able to stop shock
really good genji too
what if rascal genji?
Then he plays genji
complaining about subs?
wait wtf how is it unfair
hahaha
Can say
this dude spewing out hot takes
shock is ranked #1 in all roles imo
Rascal Genji!!!!!!
wtf Xzi -_-
players that you switch around depending on maps/comps

lmfao
SMG Widow.
brrr
violet is in your backline as a baptiste what do you do
Flanking Soldier 77.
do it to em sparkle
that deflect
GO SPARKLE!!
widow deflect on orisa head
Sparkle nearly lapping rascal
Sp9rkleeeer
OMGGG AGAIN
OOF
damn son
So cracked
Sparkle is so much better at genji
sparkle is feeding carrying
this shows that genji ult charge rate should be nerfed
Carried
Benbest please

Take out the W key
yeah charge rate nerf is justified
ok yea benbest should not have been there
Fuck that. More Blades.
yea
benbest got sucked into the charger lmao
Sparkle is closer to his 3rd blade than rascal his 2nd
Ez loss
tbf paris plays around sparkle more than shock play around rascal
Nice shot from xzi
yep, they all rally around the sparkle genji
Well, this is Shocks first game on the Rascal Genji, no? It makes sense that they would be less experienced playing around it.
that too but I think sparkle get more care
Agreed, but the lack of experience is why that's the case.
Why did choi flux in a tiny room with 200hp in front of a bap
Tanks feeding again
What is this ult usage
paris backline reported for playing like dps
Sp9rkleeeee
holy fuck
HOLYY
BOY
OOO
Carried
HE CLEAN
dash melee dash melee dash melee
OOOOOOH BOYYYYY
who needs a damn blade
That Sp9rk1e clip
sparkle carry
Ohhhh
Did shadowburn quit ow?
yeah
sparkie carrie
@clear crane there was also a right click in it but was an animation cancel
@feral zodiac hes a valorant player now
Shock having the same problem as Shanghai
They have a good genji
But not a top genji
315HP
It’s sooo clean
Kinda surprised they aren't running Rascal Mei on defense
To get rolling
Eileen vs fleta = sp9rkle vs rascal
Shock will have the map pick advantages though winning Control first
oooo
Twilights brig looks kind of shakey to me
paris might take this map so far
Wtf
FUCKING SPARKLE
Is that Genji
sparkle is deadlifting his team tho lmao
Facts
The fuck is that Genji kill?
Why are they mirroring the genji
He's having fun
this is like opposite of toronto vs fusions shock should go mei or torb
This isn't a deadlift
Shock not learnt from SHD, if you dont have the better genji, it wont work
This a fucking world record
Jesus
holy fuckkkk
Benbest shield hahaha
Against shock
Shock haven't won a fight
dude this is insane
One more Sparkle blade and this is over
Legit sp9rkle benching 1000kg
5 mins against shock
Shock mentally boomed
Why mirror the genji
this some good shit
Get Rascal off Genji please, Put Striker back in
yea they shouldn't mirror the genji
Why mirror the genji
@forest raven bc paris is playing too aggressive for mei to be useful

Literally didn't win one fight
SPARKLE DIFFERENCE
Shock got rolled
LET'S FUCKING GOOOO
Fucking rolled
Shock need to gtfo with genji mirror. They can't play Genji
gg
san francisco shook
crusty time to disconnect the router
they had 4:27 left
Rush > Crusty?
Right people
Shock CAN play genji , its just paris play it better
HOLY SHIT
twas one map lmao chill
no one plays genji like Paris
If you have the weaker genji, the mirror is pointless
Remember when mayhem got a couple maps off shock lol
Is it me or does sp9rkle have the weirdest blades i feel like he doesnt even look when he slashes
paris destroyed shock
rascal is a good genji as well sparkie still sht on him though
is 4:27 left some kinda record
they just need to not mirror genji and they can win
@fervent acorn that's...not surprising tho
I wanna see sparkle stat on kr
WE GOT A GAME LADS
Genji is literally the carry in that comp, if you're genji is worse, you dont play that comp
I'm guessing t5 on final blows for kings
eternal > fusion??????????
Stop mirroring a comp you're not comfortable on with a hero you haven't practiced with
y-yes
@weak bolt so what do they play
They couldn't play the mei, paris was playing too aggressive for her to get value
Imagine if Shock didnt trade Architect
Someone in chat said shock fans malding
YOU GOTTA BE A DAMN GOOD TEAM TO BEAT SHOCK ON KINGS ROW
First map they've lost since the May Melee finals.
PARIS ARE DANGEROUS https://t.co/ei6zBvijzK
Striker on Tracer is a good start. He was forcing the Invun fields in the backline
tracer on kr is horrible though
On that offense, they literally used field for blade every time
isnt this shock first loss on kings i think heard they havent lost it this season yesterday
well isn't that convenient when Shock destroyed Fusion last time because they didn't had Carpe on Widow to carry
Now Eternal has Sparkle
@forest raven how does 1 map say they arent practiced? do u understand the game at all? obviously they've practiced it
They couldn't have run anything else in that game that'd give a different outcome
Rascals Genji on KR is horrible too by the looks of that
First sign of trouble for San Francisco and all of a sudden it's, "Shock, what are you doing?! How could you actually trust your team and staff to stick with and sucessfully pull off a strategy you've clearly prepared for? Despite being the undisputed best team in the Atlantic Division." It's silly.

Shock didn't win a fight on defence
Instead of playing xzi widow he could go Cree and possibly deal with striker
I still have shock winning the game 3-2
then u got no one to check ans
calling Rascal genji awful is like calling Philly awful after losing 3-0 to SFS
@forest raven Okay???? What should they have played???
sparkle needs to check the tracer
Play to their comfort
Nothing they could have done. Shock lost KR hard
comfort wont work
Rascal's genji is good, but in comparison it was awful
Rascal is a good genji
Sparkle's genji outclassed Rascal's
They would've lost that map no matter what
But he is not one of the top genjis
they should have played mei that would be the only other option
I think Sparkle genji would outclass everyoen
Sparkle might be reaching Haksal/Whoru level
You need a top genji to make the comp work
except maybe haksal
mei only other option
Eileen
Shock fans malding
Eileen is fucking cracked right now
Legacy
sparkle plays flashy af its fun to watch
Of course the Shock of all teams are going to stick with a strategy that they, the undisputed best team in the region, fully believe is going to work. That kind of coaching and confidence is what brought them to the dance.
@silk frost sparkle is far better than haksal , sparkle is near eileen level
Sparkle is best genji in the league
eileen plays more efficiently from what i seen
Malding, malding, malding
Eileen is a nut
I think Sparkle is above Eileen
Who’s a shock fan here
Idk
eileen was fucking cracked
o shit hanamura
I'd expect Volskya next anyway, get away from Genji maps?
I'm Reign fan
@weak bolt hanamura it is
This definetly isn't shock's meta
Hanamura is a weird choice
I do think we have the top 4 teams now
Shock
Shanghai
Guangzhou
Paris
and not SHD meta
honestly no one would know unless we have a genji 1v1 tournament which im all for
ChipSa Genji lulw
but also one map doesn't determine the outcome of a game remember peeps
Yeah
that proves nothing, a genji 1v1 tournament
But when you get a map against the shock
i mean loser chooses map we will prolly see a tracer strong map
It's a pretty massive event
This meta may well disappear next week as well.
Remember: shock hasn't lost a map since the MAY MELEE
As soon as the brig nerf patch goes through the genji comps lose a lot of power
is brig nerf going live next week?
at least it's not escort hanamura 
the only 1v1 that proves anything is a widow 1v1 or a tracer 1v1
next week or the week after, it's usually 2 weeks after it hits Live
after summer showdown i think it will
genji 1v1s prove nothing
welcome back reaper 
Striker did clap
Double shield poke I'd guess next patch
double shield > anything still
Since brig helps dive a bunch

I'd suspect a Tracer/Ashe or Tracer/Widow meta with Bap/Zen/Double Shield
Goats > double shield
21 per 10
fucking hell
9.4
if we go back to tracer ashe bapt zen shock is gonna be super scary again
jesus christ
21.4 final blow per 10 lmaoo
that's actually disgusting
Sparkle balanced
nerf sparkle
and genji isn't even his best hero
does he not?
No
Bet paris wish this meta came at the grand finals, not a mid season tourney that doesn't mean a lot
no still in korea
What a time for Genji to actually be relevant, and beyond just Nano Blade.
Paris > Fusion?
its impressive honestly
paris >>> fusion
this meta shows halt is still broken
Doomfist meta for Grand Finals 🙂
and that blade charges a bit too fast
I think in this meta i would have paris if they go face to face
Doomfist meta will see Philly win clearly
Mei meta for Grand Finals 
they should make halt not stop momentum like old grav
sparkle doomfist >>> chipsa doomfist
Sparkle has prob the best doomfist in the game
looks at sinatraa now he is
owl gods let the paris win happen
my man carried his team playing doomfist in goats
they didnt play goats that's why
they played hackfist
Paris tanks can’t keep dying or they will lose
in goats meta*
Hanamura but no tracer is weird
Carpe tried that
Shock like running Mei more I think
Tracer on Hanamura is... dubious at best.
feels bad that fusion wont win whoever gets through
Wouldn't rule out Fusion, especially if this match goes map 5. Fusion have had time to rest
Fusion match up well
I think fusion has better chance against paris
Carpe/Eqo can handle Striker/Ans
want some stats
or at least keep them in check
you know Rascal can play tracer right
on King's Row
ANS + rascal: 15 final blows
@SP9RK1E_OW: TWENTY FIVE
this is happening
oh my fucking GOD
lmao
Imo this is probably one of the worst metas for Shock at the moment. I'd say Brig/Genji are 2 of their worst heroes with the roster they have
F
just put rascal back into brig jail lul
They can put rascal on brig
I'm curious why twilight's in over moth if twilight's on brig duty
???
Guessing they're trying to build synergy
imagine you got shit on so hard that your coach put you on brig
???
Trying to phase out the only westerner left on the team. Cold world.
moth hasn't played today though
I'd bet Shock are hoping it goes away from Brig next week, and want the Twilight/Viol2t synergy
@grizzled mango That's to my point.
if they try to mirror genji they just lose
Mei on the defense, dunno what they'd do on offense. Maybe Genji or try force Echo?
atleast one ex titans runaway player is gonna win owl championship twilight
on shock
ok he swapped
Jesus sp9rkle
Nope
Rippp
smoked
ANS has to play with team, or at least try mcree or something
cree wont work
poggers maybe shock not in finals
Sp9rkleeeee
WTF man
OMG
OO
here we gooooo
still lose
He's not fucking human
nvm
Lol you thought hyper
fielder back
Clutch
Genji is kinda dumb in this meta
smurf throwing lol xd
LOL FDGOD
blizzard not needed rascal
sparkle is cracked

Better to guarantee a point a cap with blizzard
fail flank
Flux??????
that ult?
he was gonna get picked
Oh shit
heck
Lol
WTF
wtf happen
That was weird
Matrix
Shock got lucky in this one tho
Fucking decimated
Paris had like 2 players outside
they didnt get lucky, ans just got 2 picks then sp9rk1e got fluxed
roll time
Smurf halted 2 of Eternal out of position
that wasnt the reason shock won the fight tho
You'd be suprised
both got back into their position
Why else you think Violet could put matrix there
It cost eternal their flux
what happened second point?
Which was a huge ult
i missed it
They literally force out a Flux with one Halt. That was HUGE.
@vagrant jacinth ans got 2 picks sp9rk1e got caught in flux and killed
ah shit
me sit here me wall yay
mei abusers

Mei abuse is fair vs Genji abuse I think
Don't go there, Errorr.
paris plz
Nah errorr is right
Oh I agree, but I'm not a fan of this give Genji 300hp, let him get blades super quick and kill 6 meta
u smoked them this hard last map
Damn shock are holding this well
shock looks so much better when not trying to mirror
oh uh
shock used 4 ults
fuck mei
they recovered their confidence
OOF
RIP 😦
Well, it's a good map for Mei
NOO
But now, open maps again
EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Also, that Hanamura first point is a good map for Mei
so
aaaaa shibaaaaal
Hmm wonder what the next map is
Shock will get their map pick on map 5, that could be the decider
haha yeah
Go Lijang and bring in Super to dominate on Rein
yes
yes pls
Great design Blizzard
Not a single other 2CP map besides Hanamura has one choke
I could legit see benbest rivaling super
lol
on rein?
how could you rival matthew delisi
super's a god, can play anything you want him to
sp9 is disgusting in game and off game golden nuggets
Hanamura doesn't have one choke lol
did you see his insane sigma, holy shit
cmon thats a good joke
Has 1 choke for double shield metas
Not a single other 2CP map besides Hanamura has one choke
@karmic grotto paris , horizon
Nope
Paris has more than 1
horizon has like 50 approaches
I'm sure Super and ChipSa have some riveting conversations on the bench.
Horizon has a million chokes
i mean the main choke
Thing about Hanamura is you can stop the whole choke with 1 mei wall
there is 1
Can't do that on many other 2CP
Oh
Obviously but we don't talk about that
yeah theres 1 main choke for every map bruv thats why its called a main choke
Eh
Paris has 1 choke
fucking paris 
Paris was escort map
Why wasn't París an escort map
Hanamura*
The old ahanmura design has payload road
rialto ey?
Striker turned into Rascal
yes they became 1
spaaaaaarkle
no
because a philly paris final is so god damn hype
What would be the other choices for Rialto, Junkertown?
Rialto?
saame
Junkertown and Watchpoint
philly paris ended with a Oasis Gardens Map 5 is pog
XD
pov: you are the boat in rialto
Camera
why did paris choose eternal
yea
@dark hedge yes
Brave going to Rialto after that Philly / Shock game.
no why tho
yes
lol
Might be their comfort pick for Escort
decent genji map
@weak bolt they havent won a single time on rialto
I thought they would go with Gibraltar.
@outer zenith they've already played shock on gib
and shock won every time on rialto
im confused
got 1st held iirc
Oh. The last time they played?
Hmm... Tough.
rood
revenge
lmaoo
:0
:(
:ㅇ
200 ping warlord
my new face for anything is
:ㅇ
thanks to sp9rk1e
Rolled
:ㅇ rolled
Rolling shock on KR may have just made them angry
well it broke their 15 map streak
#PullOutTheDF
If you get what I mean
That was the blade
ROLLED
Blade is really dumb in charge rate
:(
Wish my comp teamates could shut down a blade like that lol
:)
:ㅇ
...
nice blade :ㅇ
Nice little delay there at the end
Good hold, all things considered.

Don't think they will try the sombra again
Reminder Fielder can't play at 100% cuz 200ms ping
Wonder how Philly are feeling watching this
200 ping totally unplayable
Don't they have another bap on their team with low ping
fielder has been playing great
Not one that's nearly as good.
never thought about it but playing the 2nd game of the semi final must be worse off you are prolly already tired by the final time
kr ping isnt great usually anyways
Guess it depends how much you value warming up and momentum
idk fusions is prolly keeping themselves warmed up but just in a more relaxed manner
nice blade
if this paris and shock thing drags out it can prolly have negative effect
c9
wow
wt wt
they've got sparkle on lock now, not getting much value from blades
lol
I remember what Bren said on plat chat "Is paris holding down sparkle"
Striker keeps Xzi so in check ANS has so much space
saya still in the league smh
wow what a clean blade
So patient.
He's so deliberate with his postioning and timing.
once that was baited out he secured the kill, smart play
gn
wow
wowww
DAMN SON

Nice map
OO
now shock about to get 6 points 😦
Sparkle is the best genji in the world
@clear crane 
hahahaah
plz

plz plz plz
lol xzi trying not to poke
forgiv him striker
XZI attacking them psychologically
Xzi is best boy.
Xzi trying not to make them angry
Xzi living rent free in striker's head
get xzi off sombra
Sombra isn't a bad plan, the EMP can get you the guaranteed fight win
Playing for the one 'n' done EMP fight.
???
oh no no no no
Xzi...
Speaking of one 'n' done...
Blade charging quicker than Pulse bumb is so strange to see
Why did they do sombra again wtf
shock actually just ignores the sombra
SAVED
they give zero fucks lmao
they didnt recontest
those halts
OH MY
Smurf's got a big dick
LOL
omg
OOF
no
LOL
OH
Lol
OH
nerf halt
OT spawns are going to be painful if they can snowball this
jesus
Remove orisa
gosh
look at their ult %
That'll be in the year-end highlight packages.
Remove Orisa
benbest ult charge
do it sparkle
WTF shock
not like this
😦
The sheer DISRESPECT
NO
There was no hate, Striker was just being nice 😄
stop them pls
Winnable
SPARKLE
Hmmm
that was far
ok
wow finally
Please
ok
um
Xzi and sombra
Sp9rkle
Why
dunno
now this
Next game sparkle switches to sombra
Xzi shouldn't have gone Sombra twice
Paris really struggled to get point A on their attack too
Deadlift to the max
thats how u play genji
gg
not like an ult bot
Report xzi for gameplay sabotage
another shock final another shock final win
Round 3 attackers have such an advantage
benbest landed on the boat and walked off
if shock wins they beat philly
Shock seems weakest vs a really good genji
like ttuba and sparkle
2:25 is nasty, gives Shock time to hold and build ults without the OT spawns
and eqo doesn't seem as good as them
when theyre supported by their team the genji fucks ass
But here uh, what do
kill something paris
hope ans gets the pick 
There are tons of counters for a good Genji, but you can't dedicate your entire comp to dealing with just that and still have it be effective against the enemy team's other 5 members.
ok
Twilight is dying first a lot this game, his brig seems flakey

I’m sweating
Gg
same
gg
If you even dedicate one character to stopping genji he's already fucked you
That's why only mei on that one map she's great on
Shock are assuming the firing position.
Twilight dead again 😐
Twilight picked first again
Xzi is dragging this

holy hell
Xzi deadlift
XZI
big
this is good this is good
bruh my heart rate

Sp9rklleeeeeee
BIG
omggggggg
yeeees
OH MY GOD
omg
DPS DEADLIFT
God, I love Sparkle's Genji. He's so damn measured
Fuck the Blades, it's the discipline.
sparkle op
OMG
WE GOT A FUCKING GAME
OOPOO
LETS GOOOOOOO
OH SHIT
thank god

bro
Oh Shit
FUCK ME
Sparkle built blade in what
OH MY FUCKING GOD
30 seconds?
BRO
WHAT THE FUCK
HAHAHA
SPARKLE YOU LEGEND
OOOHHHH
sparkle should be banned off of owl
Balanced hero
THAT BLADE WAS SO CLEAN
hes too good
Shock on suicide watch
WHAT
hanbin
Hanbin
LOL
THAT WAS FUCKING NEAT
Twilight looks fuckin dead
Woo
HH
Shock getting competition
Twilight is dead
Eternal is evolving
this is so good
THIS IS IT
Looks like a 50 tp
put moth in for twilight
Let's go
50 50
SPARKLE DIFF
Eternal are fucked from next week, lets be honest. Brig nerfs are going to hurt them hard
For next game
SPARKLE DIFF
sparkle is living up to hype!
omg
so are we going Oasis?
this is great
Legitimately sparkle diff
or nepal
Twilight best
owl twitter fast af
oh wait oasis is not in this pool
fucking spicy af
its either nepal or lijiang
Shocks first rialto loss this year
I'd guess Lijang is the least Genji friendly?
shock should go nepal and play mei
Lijiang again?
Scripted owl
Oasis
oh wtf? oasis is part of it?
Yes
oasis round 3 plz
the script says that sinatraa comes out of nowhere and wins the match
Is genji good on oasis?
but wrong team
i guess
oasis is a genji map yikes
shock's pick though 
isnt it paris philly oasis map 5?
Script says they put Super on Sigma and they roll
:)
Put Super in
Super Sigma!
Dude
I just hope they aren't going to suddenly try something strange like Rascal Torb
super sigma is nasty
levy where u been
if paris wins this they pretty much win the whole thing
Ans and twilight gotta step up more imo
have u been watching the whole thing
sp9rk1e not only rookie of the year also mvp
I’ve been watching
Sinatraa in the ad lol
This is prob the real final
Just not on discord
GGs @washjustice.
@super_OW that was not inspirational sigma play.
Don't ever tell me you're nasty at the hero again.
111
3235
Ikr lmfao

"shut up bitch"
Crusty will have to suck it up
lmao
"I called Crusty a bitch" -Super, 2020
Dragons losing and now Shock losing
Hence why he’s benched
crusty has never commented on super genji lets go
Lol
When genji is fixed the pecking order will go back to normal
Bruh
Lol
This is probably the worst meta Shock will get all year. Losing 1 tourney wont make or break their season
Now eternal makes so much more sense
Shut up nerd let genji have its fun
Nope u opened up my eyes
sparkle is carrying
If anything losing this tourney will make shock go even harder
@weak bolt ok?
Fuckin party poopers


