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pure facts @vagrant jacinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvrwCHn8AX0 nyxl fans be like
That's demonic as fuck
@woven badge lowkey is this you, you can clearly see that's me
@quartz wren OWL production still Rivals the Community Clash
We are still OWL level production
Hanamura Escort Map
fuck kinda backyard is that united?

welcome back to watching your favorite team getting fucked
lol the NA stream is about 1min behind the chinese one
Kinda think ny will take this map ngl
robo voice is back
Haksal mei
just playing it safe

was about to comment before realising that it would be spoiling the game by a minute lol
NY boomed
NY actually boomed
Charge good team
NYX 
Gg
Wtf
what'd neptuno say?
Nenne missing
nenne was literally absent that last map
Crong my pick for mvp
Honestly thought that was xls map
NY ain't choking

Just getting outclassed
someone tell matt to fix his mic
True but still
he sounds like an android
thanks
I needed it for science
In Matt's defence it's 4am in LA right now lul
Is Uber casting from Aussie time?
He's in LA

My second favourite casting duo
bREnShoW
Brenji and eggshow number 1
Who here also thinks Defiant will upset Fusion today?
They have been playing solid so far
Fusion will either 3-0 or 3-1 toronto
Toronto 3-2
I am gonna go for the upset and then schock win also
Not sure what to make of this
Nah fam fusion is gonna wreck defiant
Honestly think it might go either way
Who is going to win. Guangzhou Charge or Shanghai Dragons?
#ChargeGangGang
Charge lets gooo
charge is the best team in apac
4-1 Charge
I like your optimism
Yeeee
Take me back to inaugural season
Diem v happy, void v crong lets do it

LOOOL
c9
shanghai 4head

legit winnable fleta was about to pick off Crong and shu
i watched the brig touch but just never come back
Yeah, eileen wasting blades
What was that bongo
Fearless dropped bongo in front of his shield
That bongo

We got ourselves a game 
that was a 0 iq bongo
fearless, became fear
Ohhh shit
Yesss
Charge are underrated by a lot of people to be fair
this is final?
Yep
wtf
Wow they held
Holy shit eileen
Fleta blade coming online tho
Thought that'd happen
is it really shanghai if there aren't some reeeal clutch moments
eileeeeen
C'mon one last hold
why was happy all the way back there
These overtime battles aren't good for my heart
one last ride
Ah fuck
big fleta blade
xd
lmaooo @feral zodiac have you seen NYXL clutch contests
where they rotate tanks on the payload when its 1m away
Those are the reason I'm going to die early 
Literally the entire round is decided by who gets blade first
xD
dont think shd can clutch this one
gee i wonder who will win this seems so even
that sounded sarcastic
The gee makes that seem sarcastic
was it sarcastic? because it looks pretty even to me

well charge seems pretty good
eileen is outperforming fleta imo
and i'd say that happy vs diem is even or more in happy's favour
Yeah eileen is dominating
It’s okay Diem is still cracked
Eileen??????
Damn
ah ahead of me i see
I think I'm ahead
Wow
ok diem has walls
actually dragons are waking up
They really like showing replays over team fights
he probably knew happy's location beforehand
Damn
ooo diem barely survived
This is a really tight game
FLETAAA
oh geez
wow these maps are close

This is where shanghai start to shine
what a series so far
WTF is wrong with SHD when it comes to finals?
Shanghai has nerves
Is Lip not better than Diem?
Did you just watch Diems widow
Diem over lip on widow
@ebon aurora still underestimating charge? xd
By far
lip isn't as good at sniper
There’s a reason you’d play Diem if you’re going to play widow
I never underestimated Charge @balmy wolf but imo Shanghai are slightly better
no, i reckon that it'll be close for the rest of the match
Happy didn't look as good on that map
Charge are a sick team though
We're watching the two best apac widows go head to head
i dont think shd are going to outperform charge by a decent margin
Diem looked miles better
ok but told you theyll win 😄
Whew I’m about to catch the 2nd half of this game
And two of the best tank lines in the world
What's Diem like on Ashe
And two of the best genjis
lip ashe > diem ashe imo
Damn charge up 2!?
^
Yup
but Diem widow > Lip widow
but i mean, you bring in lip on like
gibraltar
where you can play that sombra ashe
The scoreline doesn't represent how close it's been
not at all
not hollywood, a widow ashe map
Ilios was 100-99 on both points
Like it could be 1-1 2-0 0-2
it's just come down to a few key fights which went in the way of the charge
Charge are dominating in the ultimate usage though
@forest raven we gonna charge you for that 4-0
They're getting their ults far quicker

Shanghai
- getting blade far quicker ;)
going 0-3 down in the May Melee was fun and all
but pls dont pull this shit again
@forest raven It's literally crunch time
This could’ve been 1-1 or 2-0 Shanghai it’s just little things putting Guangzhou ahead
hoping for a 4-2 now?
It's the ults
but when shd went down 3-0, it wasn't even close for shd
Yeah score could easily be 1-1 0-2
charge have their ults online for every last fight
Shanghai pls
this is different, the maps are all so close
Shanghai don't
i dont think its just shd sleeping, i reckon charge are just playing incredibly well
They're managing ults nicely, apart from maybe one or two Eileen blades
Eileen is building blade far faster than fleta
I think if Shanghai have one good map they will grab the momentum of the series but rn Guangzhou are controlling
Void and cr0ng have been really even
most roles are even except eileen vs fleta i think
the other differences i think are just because of fight status based on those blades
Fights are being largely decided by the genjis and the sigmas
Very much so
Not a bad game from fleta either but Eileen is cracked
Diem going to pop this map
🤞
Fleta seems frustrated with the blades though 
As though he feels like he should already have it
When he's on 80ish %
Told you
jesus how does crong have flux already
Not anymore lol
diemm again hahaha
happy hahaa
is this a final? semi-final?
final zano
you might be behind a little hari haha
i think gz have a chance now that happy can try match diem
Jesus charge really pulling their weight
lmao diem and happy playing a friendly round of widow hs
xD
Literally the one flux from cr0ng has completely changed the round
Fleta and Eileen blades
cr0ng MVP
Fleta is being outclassed
lets get a Sigma MVP skin
Oh shid am I lmao
fleta and void being outplayed
Legit just stop running the genji Shanghai
tbh i think the current meta better suits gz than shd
Fucking balls
Shanghai being outclassed
340 HP
nutty sig
340 HP and he didn't blade
cr0ng needs a chiropractor
Ngl some of the players on charge that felt underwhelming don’t feel underwhelming anymore
Fleta is too careful with blades
i can't think of a member of charge who seem underwhelming atm
shu is one of the best baptistes and anas in the league imo, chara and rio are consistent, and crong/happy/eileen are carries
Charge to beat shock when normal owl comes back?
Imagine the pacific lineup for all stars
but chipsa
That's gonna be such a stacked team
just bought Charge sigma skin
hmm but what about choi
(Choi = cr0ng) > void
yea i reckon
Guangzhou are so behind on rally
OOH
i reckon bernar has potential tho
I think after the brig nerf where genji won't be as powerful shock will go right back to dominating with ease
Fleta running for his life
Okay well now that rally doesn’t matter Bc Shanghai wasted theirs
i think as soon as genji is out of the meta shd will also start to come back
Fleta and happy just vibin in the back
yes fleta 
Do shanghai actually want to win?
4 ults for Guangzhou
just got back, how is diem doing?
being outplayed by happy i think
Shit
The stun
jesus charge
they didn’t even try
Let's gooooo
Charge 
Charge have seriously turned up
my god

holy hellll
Shanghai on match point
This is beautiful
I’ve seen this one before
Shanghai 3-0 down, we know what happens next

Time to sub in lip and reverse sweep
get ready for a pause
But as I see it
yess lip in for reverse sweep pls
No lip no win 
Shanghai just giving charge hope
Dragons won't reverse sweep
That’s all it is

SHD won't reverse sweep this now. They aren't the best team in a Genji/Widow meta imo.
Agree
But they're sleeping
dragons reverse swept seoul the other week, we have hope
Keep telling yourself that, empathy
Wasn’t the meta DS last time and Dragons just said fuck it and forced dive
Or fleta isn't anywhere near as good as I thought he was
god dammit
shd might be able to win one map, but this looks over for shanghai
here we go again
True empathy 
REVERSE SWEEP 2
I think it's some unfortunate timing with the meta for shanghai rn
Gibraltar
ELECTRIC BOOGALOO
genji, widow and sigma are exactly charge's strong points

Soe believed in the charge all along ;-;
I think SHD and Shock are pretty similar at the moment. Great at most metas, but not the best at this one.
thats cursed
Fixing confirmed
who woulda thought that genji would be meta
So charge legit have a contention for best team in the league with this meta
He may not be meta next week when the Brig changes go in
I did when they gave him a giant buff then no compensating nerfs
in this meta, i reckon charge would sweep shock
yeah, with brig changes i can see shd winning this
Genji is like one of the only heroes shock doesn't have a true world class player for
Unluckers
There are better owl genjis than rascal
And that’s why they played him on Genji yesterday
rascal isn't on fleta/eileen/haksal's level imo
Right
Zalty sleeping on eileen
Rascal is good at Genji, but he isn't up there as a top Genji.
hmm i'd actually like to see shd vs nyxl in this meta
Haksal got boomed by eileen
If agilities was on Shanghai or shock
shh
Eileen turned on for this
how good is Striker's Genji

idk
lets fucking goi
striker... doesn't play genji
Striker sticks with tracer
SHANGHAI
Strikers Genji was serviceable
yeah he was forced onto it for last point of Kings Row
They subbed him out for rascal
He had to play Genji for last point KR
The APAC writers literally have nothing but the reverse sweep script
So they're recycling it
I'm still surprised we aren't seeing more Torb vs the Genji
Lip is in
ah crap
gibraltar should have been their pick last map
shanghai is being bummed
uh oh...
here we go...
I guess they just wanna mirror the genji comp
Because blade builds fast and puts fat pressure
I think they're going to swap it and go Tracer Ashe
Fleta, Lip, Fearless, Void, Izayaki, LJG is their best 6 imo
Ah shit
they very rarely lose maps with that 6
They aren't winning the Genji mirror at all, better to swap something
This is dive bois
i agree with that @ebon aurora
LJQ is underperforming
LIP for da sombra
Winston Zarya again?
Time for 🤿
Sombra time
Izayaki Ana 
i mean, eileen now has free blades
Nothing is a free blade with Izayaki
true haha
This tourney is weird, we're in a situation where 1 hero has become dominant for it, and then will likely become worse after it
yeah, i'd much rather the past four or five weeks also be the same meta
Doesn’t matter because Fleta echo
Fleta picked Eileen first
torb
Damn
ooo fleta
Can't deflect beams, nice to deal with Genjis
Fleta echo op
yeah i reckon
Not seen enough Echo to name a best imo. Been a while since we saw many play it
APAC > NA
it would be interesting to see shock field rascal echo instead of genji tomorrow

hmm momentum over
@severe tusk tomorrow?
Woahhh
UTC+8
lol
9pm atm
East
nah, western australia
ah
Perfect EMP
Dang
Let's go dragons!!
why did SHD not start with this comp
Shanghai's sombra dive is sexy
That was just a game of shutdown Eileen
Looking waay better with lip
that was so good
Problem SHD have is can you force this dive on every map
Shanghai a Sombra only team?
^
what maps have we had so far: Ilios, Hollywood, Anubis
They wanted to mirror
fearless is doing great on monkey
they're not bad dive maps
What am I looking at
You couldn’t have picked Gibraltar last time
This comp
yeah you have to do it in type order
ahh
my bad then
FLETA SOLDIER
Cree soldier into double shield
What is this comp
Huh
ok
woah
MCCREE
this is interesting
??
Into double sniper too


Holy
ikr
LIP
holy lip
maybe they expected an Echo?
lip...
and wanted to shut it down bigtime
OOH
there making it work
LJG OBLITERATED
nvm'
He got FUCKED
LOL
zen in this meta... feels weird
What is this comp
why zen...
This soldier is a bizarre pick
I'd explode if there's a soldier mccree meta
i'd love to see a tracer mccree meta tbh
thrown next fight coz no ults
Zen would be for discord burst damage I guess, and potentially Trans vs Blade
sigma winston pog
shd just gave up playing a comp
The comp is pretty strong vs Genji, who does the genji try blade
Okay they swapping
its sad coz shanghai and charge are probably my 2 favourite teams
why did they not just play this comp at the start
if they keep getting anti grenades. charge is gonna have a bad time
I’d say sigma is your first target
Empathy is right
EMP on line
Ana is getting peeled for by brig constantly, fleta is soley on happy
u target sigma
Blading sigma still risky though, going to take 2 or 3 swings to kill, and if you get focused you're in trouble
It’s risky yet still your best option
still, no movement and im 90% sure sigma cant eat blade
genji into the comp isnt great hence the swap
sigma can't eat blade
ye xd
Happy oof
not eating the blade but like blocking the dmg
BOB WAISTE
wastes bob
like genji deflect onto blade
I’m peeing white
primal blade
Fearless's Winston is nutty
Guxue who?
fearless is honestly insane on monkey
It's Junkertown or Rialto next right?
better than Guxue now imo
Fearless Winston 
his winstons good but the healers are doing a great job and enabling him
CART
Shanghai win now
My god
they've done it
Shanghai
Daaamn
Izyaki is far better on Ana than Bap too imo.
reverse sweep activated
1 down 3 more to go
dude
XD
now, how are they going to win the next few maps
They looked waaay better
yep
I'd expect a Junkertown pick next honestly
Soon as lip comes on
What map you guys thinking?
fearless
junkertown i think would be smart from charge
Junkertown
Well this is a wierd thing to wake up to
get happy to flex
REVERSE SWEEP 2 LETS FUCKING GO
Happy needs his sightlines

LMAOOOO
Junkertowns a shout yeah
The APAC script is reverse sweeps
Wait its control next? I thought Map 5 was always a payload map
thats all
Busan??
Huh busan
It's always Control Hybrid Assault Escort
I’m getting deja vu
Script says everyone loses to dragons
hmm, would shd win in busan
LOL
yeah but 7 map series usually have different map 5/6
Why did charge pick busan
Charge's just following the script
xD
wish it was a assault map so we get a draw n more tokens
We need to get to map 7 to get those sweep airtime dollars
Literally only one point u cant play dive
Scriptwriters said so yeah
what would you run @sour magnet
i honestly slept the 2nd map
Hol up
how was it
2nd map was really good imo
Last time Shanghai swept
very, very close
The reverse sweep begins
I don't think so
Who do you guys want to win?
xD
Sir
Dragons
Ah ok, Map 5 is Control, Map 6 is Hybrid, and Map 7 would be Junkertown/Rialto
You're under arrest for information leaking
if dragons reverse sweep this
Guangzhou are falling into Dragons trap card
then dragons > Shock
i think charge will win, but i want to see a reverse sweep
Charge are right in front of you levy
With the current meta charge could do it
Its crazy to think how good Shock is even after losing all those players
in the first 2 maps
This tournament all changes from next week, when Brig changes go in
last year they were literally invisible
^ charge could win in this current meta
Current meta'll be gone the next time owl is on
True
invincibile
Pine 😔
in many other metas i think shock = dragons > charge
not invisible
This meta will be dead once the latch is live
i think this season the competition has gotten a lot better tho
Patch
I think the Ashe/Tracer/Bap/Zen meta returns from next patch.
I don't think charge can beat shock with double shield
yea empathy
Shock didn't lose that many of their top players
busan 
they lost the architect ana
Like bruh
Shock lost players you could consider redundant
jkjk
i think widow comes into being MORE meta over ash
oh architect too
Lets be real here
but does it matter that much when all their DPS are insane
sinatraa wasn't really that important in a non-zarya meta tho
Architect, Sinatraa
Like I love Architect and Sinatraa but did you need them
Shock losing sinatraa doesn't change much
^^
Sinatraa wasn’t even best on the team kekw
Sinatraa/Architect were bench players this season. Shock didn't lose that much
Still
The flexibility that architect brought
Sinatraa benched himself tho
^
Happy
and Sinatraa being able to zarya or dps
damnnn
😩
Why would you need architect when you have rascal
Still remember Sinatraa tracer getting styled on by SBB

if they had last years roster and was all happy they'd win by far
sinatra, rascal, striker, and architect were all great flexes
happy not following the script smh
are they going to switch off the echo..?
What hero would you play Sinatraa on though? His Tracer was ok, but Striker was better
Did Achilios just say "ez clap ez cap"
Lmaoo
Fleta
But that’s not gonna happen
Oh boy
Ez cap
Sinatraa was going to play
fleta
Okay apparently Smurf Zarya is good or something
But it was mainly for his coms and leadership
is the meta
true, they lost some comms in sinatraa
Yeah smurf's zarya is supposed to be a bit of a sleeper pick
but tbh i think they'll be fine
imagine shock temporary signing sinatra back into the lineup for 2 weeks
oo that stun emp
Signing Sinatraa back for the grand finals sounds totally like a thing the Shock would do
It'd weaken shock to bring him back in now imo
That 6% takes it to a 1 fight situation
I think they were just trying to keep Void up too
and Rally charges so quick
Bring Back LJG Lucio
true true
Happy soldier
So is a nano Winston
Probably going for the 1 fight emp win
OH NO
WHAT
SHANG9
That'd be a Shang9
Oh noey
OH NOOOOOOOOOO
c9
my
LUL

THE SHANG9
fucking
OH NOOOOOO
C9
god
THE SCRIPT
FEARLESS
WOOO
REUSING THE SCRIPT
nice
DAMMIT
fuck
SHANG9
SHANG9
IN FINALS?
SCRIPT IN FLAMES
Pmg
THE FUCKING SCRIPT
That was supposed to be Shanghai map
IS THE SAME AS LAST TIME
That was a real c9 too
LITERALLY THE EXACT SAME
Shanghai had that fight
It's ok
S9
This is fucking wild
KEKW
Their mentality is ice cold
What does c9 mean
Fearless went crazy
new letter number
Crong
oh
Jesus
WTF is this. Do SHD even know how to play finals? :?
crong is nuts
THIS IS THE SAME FUCKING SCRIPT
@balmy wolf they were winning the fight but then got off point causing them to lose the round

ok what happened there
had to get that out of the way
what
Actual Shang9
was that positioning
Does c9 stand for anything?
Cloud Nine
Cloud 9
They did it back in Apex
Oof
LJG lucio 
And it stuck
They c9'ed twice in 1 series
LJG REDDIT LUCIO LETS GOOO
Cloud 9 c9'd three times in the match against AF Blue
Fearless threaded that needle
Nooo
Great use of Deadeye there, stalled for 6 or 7 seconds to get Lucio back
and still manage to lose 5v6
WHAT
LeeJaeGon asserted dominance
SHU
Izyaki throwing there lol
WAUT
SHU
SHU
SHUUUU
EXCUSE ME?
LOL
shuuuuuuuu
SHD THROWING
SHUUUU
THAT WAS SOME VIOL2T SHIT
LITERAL HOW
Trying to take a 1v1 with Bap vs Sigma
SHD C9 THEN LOSE TO A BAP
they're boomed
HUGE
FEARLESS
HUGE SLAMS
nvm
FEARLESSSS
Fearless got a big dick
FATTTTTTTTTT
Fearless scary
It’s the eye of the Kaiser
I knew he was gonna do it to em

C'mon charge
Go dragonss

ooo widow tracer
Here we go
SHD v Shu
fearless always turns up when shanghai are about to lose
Bring back the genji
fleta doesn't care
i want the 2-3
oo eileen gets the pick too
SHD have gone to comfort picks rather than trying to force Meta, working better for them
SHD is meta
Even now they are going meta and still winning
can i please get a emoji for baptise
Fleta
fletaaa
Pain

What a chad
Shanghai is the worse team this meta but they have the clutch potential
