fusion or valiant
#esports-discussion
limber pine
Fusion
cloud latch
balmy wolf
oh almost same as mine i only had atlanta in finals
limber pine
That bold with a capital B
hot heart
If chengdu get to semifinals ill be happy
worn falcon
scroll up lol
balmy wolf
@worn falcon ew imagine saying seoul beats ldn
feral zodiac
Does it look different on mobile then
feral zodiac
You on pc or mobile
worn falcon
PC
feral zodiac
Aight give me a sec
balmy wolf
i picked shock and spitfire win :)
limber pine
I don't see spitfire getting past both GZ and SHD
tropic herald
I got Shock and Shanghai winning it all
limber pine
possible if chengdu make a huge upset over GZ
tropic herald
Unless some team gets hot
feral zodiac
Vancouver win NA
Vancouver vs dallas finals
Shock get knocked out by vancouver
Valiant by fuel
Oh ye fuel beat fusion
APAC is Chengdu vs seoul final
Chendgu win
Seoul beat shanghai
And chengdu beat nyxl
All true and will happen
feral zodiac
Underestimating the 4th best team in the league š¤
balmy wolf
Yikes imagine saying seoul beats london
next mesa
seoul def beats london lol
balmy wolf
Name a position were seoul is better then lol
feral zodiac
If seoul actually turn up they stand a chance
If it's normal seoul
No fucking way
balmy wolf
if we see "good" seoul they make it close
Glister Although > Profit
Babel > Fits
Jmac Jihun > Gesture
Bernar > Marve1
Sanguinar > tobi
Highly Krillin > Bdosin
feral zodiac
Wdym although
balmy wolf
although echo > profit echo
@next mesa okay say how its wrong
bc if u actually watch the matches
its not
LOL
vague tinsel
balmy wolf
@vague tinsel i like ur apac vote
balmy wolf
Are the matches fun to watch
tropic herald
Yes
worn falcon
APAC at late night :(
vagrant jacinth
Unless profit hard carries, I don't see Seoul winning
tropic herald
They didnāt look convincing going into last tourney either
vagrant jacinth
https://brackets.overwatchleague.com/view/5efa28f452eec
@hard shuttle justice beat shock, Paris justice finals
These are some wacky predictions
I do be liking that apac prediction tho š
raw ermine
This picture is the best comedic thing OWL has done ever. The easter eggs are hilarious
raw ermine
Look at bottom left
"scripted matches"
and his certificates
Certificate of cruncher status
high isle
My high school has an E-sports club, and they play Overwatch...
vagrant jacinth
Lmaoo that tweet
I couldn't stop laughing at that part of the stream
Na production clapping back
tropic herald
I keep seeing people having Atlanta winning in their match
How do people have faith in them
feral zodiac
More like how do people still underestimate valiant
tropic herald
Bc they dropped their spaghetti
feral zodiac
Did they?
tropic herald
Yeah
digital cloud
I will be honest, I am gonna assume Atlanta miserably fails
then I can be pleasantly surprised if they actually have their act together
earnest leaf
atl overrated
worn falcon
Ratlanta 
plain bramble
people are going to get triggered but here i go, so for the knockout stages i have the valiant winning against the defiant in a 3-1 game, the gladiators easily wiping the floor with the justice in a 4-0 sweep, a close game between mayhem and outlaws with mayhem coming out on top 3-2, and fuel winning against the eternals 3-1
and for the semi-finals, the shock will wipe out the valiant in a quick 4-0 sweep, the gladiators winning against the titans in a surprisingly close 3-2 series, mayhem winning against the fusion with a 3-2 victory, and the fuel with a 4-0 sweep against the reign
the semi-finals will see a very close match between the gladiators and the shock, with the gladiators barely managing to scrape a 3-2 win, the mayhem destroying the fuel with a 4-0 sweep which will have the first time the gladiators and the mayhem in a finals game, which will have the glads winning 3-2
buoyant hearth
lul
vague flax
which teams do you guys like
plain bramble
gladiators, mayhem, and im teetering on becoming an outlaws guy too
plain bramble
i mean, they have the highest chance this year
they have probably the best chance in all of owl too
plain bramble
i could say the same for shock, it's all opinion based in the end
feral zodiac
Yes and no
vague flax
excelsior is cool
feral zodiac
In terms of probability
tropic herald
#BringTheMayhem
feral zodiac
Shock have a much greater chance than glads
tropic herald
They also lost to Boston
feral zodiac
Do you see Chengdu winning apac lol
plain bramble
hell they even managed to win a game against the 2017-2018 titans
tropic herald
That sounds fake that Gladiators have beaten Titans
plain bramble
i didnt say the beat the titans
i said they managed to keep the series competitive against them
tropic herald
hell they even managed to win a game against the 2017-2018 titans
What
feral zodiac
You said win a game
tropic herald
Iām confused
feral zodiac
I think you meant map lol
plain bramble
win a game in the series
tropic herald
Oh
plain bramble
they lost 3-1 but they managed to keep the series competitive
tropic herald
Titans never were good at sweeps tbf
feral zodiac
Isn't this the same Vancouver that got rolled 4-0 by shock
An even worse shock than now
plain bramble
i'd say the gladiators peaked in 2018
feral zodiac
They were meant to peak every year
tropic herald
They peaked right before 2018 playoffs
feral zodiac
But they never live up to their expectations at the start of the year
tropic herald
Nah itās just this year theyāve been disappointing
feral zodiac
I swear this was meant to be the year they were a contender for the top tier
plain bramble
even agaisnt top team like excelsior and titans, they still managed to get top 5, hell even top 4 sometimes
tropic herald
They were fine the previous two seasons
feral zodiac
At least they didn't do a london s1 to s2
plain bramble
the glads have been a constant borderline top tier mid tier team
feral zodiac
So
tropic herald
Iād argue this year they are not there
plain bramble
let's say atlanta is the middle of the pack team
plain bramble
but i still have faith the dallas can sweep the atlanta reign
plain bramble
can we all take a moment to appreciate how mayhem managed to only lose 1 game so far this split?
even though the last 2 seasons they only managed to win like 3 games
plain bramble
okay, maybe 4
but still
they really brought it back this season
right now it's a great time to be a mayhem fan
plain bramble
im still pretty happy to be a glads fan
i predicted they'd have a mediocre start but will somehow manage to regain their momentum
they show major potential to be a top 3 team in the first time in forever
feral zodiac
I just want birdring to be as good as he used to be 
plain bramble
their execution is way off though
feral zodiac
Not popping like he used to
plain bramble
i want biggoose back on lucio
feral zodiac
Space is always going to be incredible
tropic herald
Gladiators issue is that they get overconfident
plain bramble
it all depends on what heroes get banned for the following week XD
plain bramble
i dont want to see biggoose on brig
his perfomance, well if i can even say that, is underwhelming to say the least
balmy wolf
My mum beats me 
my dad beats me my brother beats me even my dog beats me but i feel safe with uprising, because they dont beat anyone 
raw ermine
Except the glads
balmy wolf
hi
karmic grotto
Ez
dry mesa
Do they reset the match in owl if a bug happens that aids either team? Also what happens if a player abuses a bug to win a game or uses cheats? Do the nullify the win or disqualify the team?
silk frost
Well technically a lot of jump boosts (doomfist punch boost, guardian boost, super jump) are bugs, so
dry mesa
So does this mean any bug is accepted as fair game then?
Or is that bug just considered a feature now?
echo quest
Can OW chronobreak like in LOL or nah?
If they canāt probably canāt do anything about bugs
If they happen
Cuz in the rare scenario a bug happens in LOL and they deem it to be one they just rewind the game by 10 seconds
feral zodiac
No they can't
Would be interesting if they could but I think it costs too much for too little gain
karmic grotto
why is smurf
queuing with ksf
who is on valiant
they are gonna play against each other
why are they queuing together
feral zodiac
Because fun > pro play
forest raven
Do you know how often super and ksf queue together
magic fable
It's been over 48 hours and I haven't recieved my 40 tokens, nor my 15 tokens from last week, so I can't buy a skin or anything
feral zodiac
Were you logged in on the website watching it
And are you in a country that it applies to
magic fable
Yes
UK and I was logged in because last week, I watched for 6 hours but only recieved 3 hours worth of tokens
And I watched 4 hours for double weekend and have recieved nothing after 48 hours
feral zodiac
Huh, blizzard account connected and all?
I'm not sure if stream delay affects tokens earned
magic fable
Yeah everything was connected
I watched through their website not youtube or anything
silk frost
a couple of Battlica's players are on Talon esports now
Feath5r and Chorong
also 2nd wind apparently died and now I'm sad
dry karma
tropic herald
Donāt forget to watch the FOCC today at 1pm PDT / 4pm EDT
true hound
yep focc
raw ermine
focc yeah
sullen berry
Houstonās bank couldnt really hold up if they choose to drop vibin violet after pride month
Twitter
Another year with money being cut from their content creators
balmy wolf
Anyone think if Blizzard will bring back the All-Star and MVP skins sometime in the future? For ages, I've really wanted Mercy's Atlantic All-Star skin but I missed my opportunity to get it.
sullen berry
They might, but dont get your hopes up anytime soon
If they went for 200 league tokens each
That would 1,000 tokens total
feral zodiac
I doubt they would do it
balmy wolf
sullen berry
Jjonak, Spitfire winston, Shock Doomfist and Sinatraa
Thats 800 already
And we can expect an OWL champion skin from ||Shanghai dragons|| once we know the winners of this yearsā OW League season
balmy wolf
(cough) All-Star skins exist (cough)
sullen berry
My point being theres a lot of skins that are exclusive, the all star skins should be making a return though
balmy wolf
y e s !
sullen berry
Save yourself from paying upfront and continue watching all the matches
I regret the Sinatraa skin since i prefer the one i already have for the Charge
balmy wolf
Alright.
sullen berry
So me go over it properly this time:
Atlantic Tracer, Mercy
Pacific Genji, Lucio
I think tanks are due :))
balmy wolf
Mercy = ā¤ļø 
sullen berry
If it was a tank for each division, who should get it and what would they choose as the theme?
Inaugural season used land and water
Last year with mercy lucio was the sun and moon
forest raven
Rein/Dva
balmy wolf
I don't watch much OWL so I can't choose a theme but maybe Sigma or Rein would get a good skin.
forest raven
It'll absolutely be Rein/Dva
sullen berry
Themes are pretty broad
forest raven
Because they're the two most popular tanks
sullen berry
King and Queen š
balmy wolf
Yes.
sullen berry
Or something even more general like a Ruby or Sapphire thing
I say that while im just thinking of decent opposites
That arent blatant pokemon titles
Could be anything really
Could you really say the pacific genji had any backstory behind it, i canāt think of one at the time
feral zodiac
Reinhardt and ball
balmy wolf
I do feel kinda bad for violet tho
And outlaws being very unprofessional using their deadname
balmy wolf
^^^^ yes
sullen berry
VibinwithViolet i believe would be better off without being chained to an orgās obligations, but if it works for them well sure
earnest leaf
I'm sure violet wasn't bringing them in any money
sullen berry
I just think the branding and being in touch with LGBT community has been overrated
balmy wolf
Violet would've brought them quite a bit
sullen berry
So they saw less value or hemmoraging money is whats happening again with a new org
When the owner of houston is someone going around publicly on twitter messaging influentials and millionaires about a partnership in esports, you know the glass ceiling would break again
tropic herald
They couldāve released her but they chose to do it during Pride month and right after deadnaming her which just makes the whole thing yikes
earnest leaf
The deadnaming I assume was probably a dumb mistake made by some social media person not paying attention
iirc they deleted and apologized fairly quickly?
balmy wolf
thats not a mistake you can make though
forest raven
Violet is they/them
balmy wolf
i thought so
tropic herald
Lets not forget that Outlaws have dropped other people too with basically no recognition
balmy wolf
And outlaws dropped them over a text
sullen berry
Outlaws upper really dont have time for niceties
balmy wolf
Could've atleast done it over a phone call
earnest leaf
tbh I don't see the issue with being told you are being released over text
It's a pretty instant way of notifying someone
balmy wolf
Also pretty unprofessional
earnest leaf
how so
balmy wolf
How isnt it? If you're in a job you get released over email, phone call or a meeting, its good professionalism
earnest leaf
I do agree it probably should of been done via email or something
real marsh
2nd weekend in a row that I've watched the entirety of the OWL event, and not a single token. Guess I can kiss the Zarya skin goodbye.
jagged crater
what is flame doing these days
sullen berry
Ask him idk how available he is these days
earnest leaf
Doesn't he work at bungie now?
jagged crater
is that a destiny joke?
tropic herald
Yeah he works at bungie
viral veldt
When did violet get dead named?
limber pine
today
tropic herald
On their birthday
viral veldt
Who do they play for?
true hound
streamer for outlaws
balmy wolf
oh and then released them over a text
primal minnow
Yikes
golden dagger
When did violet get dead named?
@viral veldt The heck does dead named mean
viral veldt
When a person who is non binary or trans they will most likely change there name and when call them there old name that's called dead naming
golden dagger
Oh ok
viral veldt
I think that's a good explanation but I'm not sureš
raw ermine
That's what I inferred it to be
viral veldt
What does that mean?
tropic herald
Yeah thatās basically what it means
tropic herald
Thinking about how Moth shouldāve been MVP
quiet vapor
if your awsome and you know it you support toronto defiant'
raw ermine
:)
quiet vapor
(:
tropic herald
YEP FOCC
limber pine
Pretty cold
echo quest
I think this clears Sinatraa from potentially being one of the pros that harassed Analynn les go
balmy wolf
why was he ever in question
echo quest
Because he worked with her
It could literally be anyone from Glads,Team USA, Washington
Or potentially t2 pros
tropic herald
Did she say it was only people she worked with
sullen berry
Also keep in mind what people disliked about pro players with toxic attitudes
Is that they probably assume they never change their behaviour or never learn to own up to it
warm hound
Hi
balmy wolf
vague flax
How's playing on the switch?
@sullen berry nobody will ever respect you, but if you disconnect the controllers it almost feels like an Xbox/ps4
jagged crater
the keto guy sounds like jake
does this guy sound like jake to you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM8V-vLMVmU
jagged crater
give this dude a mic and no video, you would think he's jake talkin about keto
sullen berry
@vague flax I wasn't asking but thank you, some good advice
balmy wolf
sayaplayer and pine
true hound
widow jesus
balmy wolf
both of them are the most insane dps players ive ever seen
feral zodiac
Lastro for the memes
feral zodiac
dig bick
viral veldt
What does cloudy look like?
true hound
viral veldt
š„µ
jagged crater
when was the last time trill and unkoe played?
cuz ive been seeing them play a ton of valorant
true hound
not this season
same with akm
only harryhook has played, i believe, from the bench squad
tropic herald
Trill played early season
jagged crater
that was so long ago, seems done now tho
early s3 doesnt even feel like the same season anymore with the whole covid thing
next mesa
I only have 1 favorite player and that's my dad ryujehong
raw ermine
Breaking til season 4
next mesa
I just hope jehong gets to win a season
preferably as a player but even if its a coach fuck it
I thought it was going to be this season but after the major fucking fuckup by fucking titans now there's no fucking chance fuck fuck fuck
excuse my language
silk frost
what you didn't say a single curse word
marble needle
i miss van titans ):
wanton birch
Any recommendations for draft league
balmy wolf
nobody from chengdu
tropic herald
Void*
silk frost
draft league?
hot heart
Buffdraft
karmic grotto
Kot
hot heart
So
I have a question
Why in the fuck
Has reign failed so badly
Im gonna watch a few of their matches
And their last one
And hopefully find out
hot heart
I mean is it the players or coaching staff
tropic herald
Iām gonna guess coaching
The raw talent of Atlanta is way too high to be this bad
hot heart
Who even are reigns coaches
Probably some t2 coaches that have no realy experience
*real
worn falcon
no synergy with babybay :(
tropic herald
They have 4 of everything
worn falcon
and frd
tropic herald
Interesting that you have Shock take Florida
hot heart
Would you pick up sephy
tropic herald
And NY beat Guangzhou
feral zodiac
I predict vancouver dallas final
hot heart
I think shock are the kind of team to pick the team they beat in the finals
feral zodiac
With vancouver taking it 3-2
hot heart
What
feral zodiac
Sfs knocked out by dallas
hot heart
Chengdu might pull something
feral zodiac
And fusion by vancouver
tropic herald
I just think Shock taking gladiators is way more likely
tropic herald
Because, realistically Florida could beat shock
worn falcon
Pick again Fusion and play like last match
hot heart
Definitely
tropic herald
Itās a hot take but I think I have a reason
worn falcon
ez
worn falcon
double roll
hot heart
Shock too clean
tropic herald
If Florida played Valiant without pools Florida wouldāve shit on Valiant
feral zodiac
Imagine if shock took reign and lost
hot heart
They would
tropic herald
Itās appeared to be that Valiant rn
Are clearly not as good as they could be
Shax is a hard carry on tracer
worn falcon
Valiant is so inconsistent
feral zodiac
Imagine if valiant beat shock 3-0 again
hot heart
No shax tracer means valiant mid table
tropic herald
The consistency to Valiant is that they need double hitscan
tropic herald
If you pick maps right
And play maps where Genji is better than tracer
You beat Valiant
feral zodiac
2nd best na or world?
hot heart
NA
feral zodiac
Eh
hot heart
Uh
tropic herald
No,
feral zodiac
I rate mayhem over them
tropic herald
Brig nerfs are next tourney
hot heart
What do you think about paris
tropic herald
Wait lemme come back with some NA power rankings
feral zodiac
Including all teams
feral zodiac
Like what reign is to mid tier
hot heart
4th or 5th
worn falcon
i put 1 shock, 2 shd, 3 gz, 4 mayhem, 5 fusion
feral zodiac
How you gonna do the charge like that
silk frost
In my opinion, having a 12 man roster is an EXTREMELY bad idea for several reasons.
1: if mid-season, players begin to be too comfortable with each other and their position, you cannot bring in a new player to shake things up and introduce new competition
2: It would mean in order to satisfy all players, they will need playtime. If playtime cannot be provided, then they will get antsy. Therefore, you need to find playtime for your worse players.
3: Too much attention will be split across your 12 players to make your starting 6 synergize properly or to have them properly coached
4: More people means more potential drama means more infighting means more bad play. Not necessarily happening here, but it does present a looming threat
5: It makes you too predictable to other teams mid-late season. With set strats and maps for set players, it's more likely that you are easily predictable. With openings, it means that you'll be able to bring in new players and change your future
hot heart
I think shanghai and shock are almost on the save level
feral zodiac
Idk
silk frost
I feel like Shock would roll
hot heart
If nyxl
silk frost
tbh
hot heart
Get a genji meta
tropic herald
worn falcon
i dont know, i wouldnt put SHD very up here
feral zodiac
With the brig changes we could see shanghai have a much better chance at beating them
silk frost
yes
feral zodiac
Max strength every team
worn falcon
Outlaws above Reign?
tropic herald
Outlaws took Mayhem to 5
hot heart
Well
feral zodiac
Outlaws have been pretty good so far
hot heart
Have been looking better
true hound
Danteh is too cracked
tropic herald
Atlanta cried when they faced Florida
feral zodiac
Reign haven't been as consistent as outlaws against top tier teams
hot heart
Rn i have no hope for them
true hound
Reign just dissapointing
feral zodiac
Seoul is more disappointing
worn falcon
fair
hot heart
Glads might drop the ball
worn falcon
Wash :*(
hot heart
And loose
feral zodiac
Empathy do an apac power rankings
worn falcon
they need at least a DPS and a new MT
feral zodiac
I feel like asia is either insane or awful with no inbetweens
hot heart
I mean
tropic herald
Keep in mind Seoul London and Chengdu are low in APAC but theyād probably all be middle of the table Na
hot heart
Chengdu
worn falcon
Seoul :(
feral zodiac
London that low?
tropic herald
Realistically Seoul should beat London
worn falcon
NYXL is a mess of coaching
feral zodiac
Also are we putting charge on the same level as reign and outlaws or is that just cause of the lack of space
feral zodiac
Coaching
worn falcon
Nah, not much hope for SHD
feral zodiac
Shanghai above shock 
tropic herald
Iām taking Nero and Neptunoās word
upper niche
In my opinion, having a 12 man roster is an EXTREMELY bad idea for several reasons.
1: if mid-season, players begin to be too comfortable with each other and their position, you cannot bring in a new player to shake things up and introduce new competition
2: It would mean in order to satisfy all players, they will need playtime. If playtime cannot be provided, then they will get antsy. Therefore, you need to find playtime for your worse players.
3: Too much attention will be split across your 12 players to make your starting 6 synergize properly or to have them properly coached
4: More people means more potential drama means more infighting means more bad play. Not necessarily happening here, but it does present a looming threat
5: It makes you too predictable to other teams mid-late season. With set strats and maps for set players, it's more likely that you are easily predictable. With openings, it means that you'll be able to bring in new players and change your future
@silk frost
I'd like to see the roster reduced to 9 or 10 with a requirement to utilise at least say 8 players per match.
feral zodiac
What did they say?
worn falcon
no buts on the list except shd
tropic herald
I think Shanghai v Shock would be absolutely amazing
Shanghai would win but not by much
tropic herald
I wonder actually now
APAC and Na play the game so different
How would those play styles clash
feral zodiac
If brig nerfs are in for the tournament
I can see Shanghai rolling every game
Without dropping any maps
tropic herald
They arenāt
feral zodiac
Damn
tropic herald
I think the fact that brig is back is huge for Florida
hot heart
Oh thanks @tropic herald
tropic herald
Yeah slmn is a fucking nutty person they make some great tools
feral zodiac
What team is Neptuno on?
tropic herald
Charge
hot heart
GZ
feral zodiac
Nero?
tropic herald
Charge
feral zodiac
Damn
Charge players calling Shanghai immortal
That's a warning sign if I've ever seen one
feral zodiac
What do you think the score would be between shock and Shanghai right now
tropic herald
3-2 either way
And it would probably be the best Overwatch youād ever seen
I donāt even care who wins I just want the match to happen
tropic herald
Ngl
Vancouver played pretty poorly
Also Shock has something in them
After that loss to reign
They just looked so insanely motivated
worn falcon
that SFS c9
tropic herald
Via @hot heart
worn falcon
was sad like nenne grav
hot heart
Toronto make me sad af
feral zodiac
F for defiant
hot heart
Ye
feral zodiac
Washington as well
tropic herald
Justice looked alive
hot heart
Washington have looked better
tropic herald
For once
feral zodiac
Aimgod more like aimnot
hot heart
They might so somethinf at the end of this year/next year
hot heart
But i think overall my rankings dont have many hot takes
I think paris with genji tho might be better than philly
worn falcon
only putting Seoul above Fusion
hot heart
But thats just me
worn falcon
hot heart
Fusion
tropic herald
Seoul that high up is too hot
hot heart
Ye
tropic herald
But I understand what youāre doing
hot heart
Ill redo after summer showdown
See how dumb i was in hindsight
Ngl
Expected someone to think shock would be first
But nvm then
Shanghai dominating the competition with relative ease
feral zodiac
I think a lot of people just love the story behind Shanghai
From 0-42 to one of the best teams the league has ever seen
hot heart
One of the best stories in esport history for sure
This team set records for how bad they were
Not just in esports
Just in sports in general
true hound
story behind Shanghai is cool but Runaway :(((((
tropic herald
I like Shanghai Bc Iāve always like them
But their staring 6 and roster in general are all reallly likeable
vagrant jacinth
Shanghai season 1 was hella rough, always felt bad for them
There were so many games were I thought "this is it, they're gonna clinch the win"
worn falcon
@tropic herald Freefeed feelsbadman
tropic herald
raw ermine
if SHD kept the same roster, do you think they ever would have won?
balmy wolf
coach moon was a like a 50/50 after what happen to LA
the only thing that shanghai rn sucks at compared to shock is subs
balmy wolf
their subs look horrible when their in
the synergy is just not there compared to the A squad
they nearly lost may melee with their fearless out of lineup
hot heart
How bad is B team shanghai
balmy wolf
they nearly lost to hunters last week in a 3-2 victory
hot heart
Lmao
balmy wolf
they had to pull a reverse sweep
hot heart
The reverse sweep randys
balmy wolf
like its kinda of strange seeing diem in the lineup and then just getting benched because their not at 100% with him in the lineup
balmy wolf
lip is too good
hot heart
Diems widow is better
But
Not good enough
Would diem wanna get traded to another team
Who would even take him
balmy wolf
also lip has one the best sombra in the league rn
tropic herald
Diem widow clean af
balmy wolf
theres also diya
hot heart
Man looked like a god last year stage 3
tropic herald
I kinda wish there was some expansion teams
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I dont
balmy wolf
so if dragons vs shock, dragons gotta use their main lineup
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Maybe one or two more
tropic herald
Not a lot more
tropic herald
But thereās some talent thatās owl level that just wonāt be in owl bc of lack of slots
naive mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sck2xa8sq3M dislike it
balmy wolf
who knows what would happen
shock made a joke out all the top teams last year in the playoffs
tropic herald
Ngl, dragons should probably drop some of their bench so they can pick up more players
tropic herald
Shock looked like a mom whoās kid was under a car or something
They went sicko mode
balmy wolf
we all thought titans would make it close
hot heart
Titans shit the fucking bed
tropic herald
Ngl if goats wasnāt meta for as long as it was titans wouldnāt have been considered top tier
balmy wolf
wtf was titans coaches doing
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All of the good teams did
balmy wolf
like they never used bastion at all
viral veldt
What's the first matches of summer showdown?
tropic herald
@viral veldt Friday
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O
balmy wolf
ironically titans were good in any meta
tropic herald
Dallas v Paris
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Thought it was Saturday
viral veldt
Thx
balmy wolf
caused they played in every meta
tropic herald
3pm est
hot heart
Tbh
I dont see dallas making it close
Even with decay
I think xzi might fucking run wild
balmy wolf
u also cant forget how much synergy titans players had coming into the league
hot heart
Yeah
balmy wolf
benbest best
naive mountain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sck2xa8sq3M dislike and spread the news
hot heart
Also the coordination is much better on paris
tropic herald
BenBest and HanBin wonāt ever not fuck Gamsu Note
balmy wolf
fuel did get destroyed last time by paris
hot heart
Bro stop @naive mountain
tropic herald
Report and move on lol
tropic herald
Yeah Fuel is gonna get curbstomped
hot heart
Ye
balmy wolf
the only coinflip imo is if philly is still a #2 in power rankings
tropic herald
Whoever Shock picks is dead
balmy wolf
philly kinda of threw away their match against fla
tropic herald
I still think Florida is better than Philly
hot heart
I think Mayhem or glads
balmy wolf
shock is gonna pick somehow who they think is gonna get hot in the touranment
hot heart
They are
balmy wolf
they picked fuel last time because of decay
hot heart
Philly just shit the bed completely when they played shock
Mayhem might have done something at least
tropic herald
Mayhem played Shock close except for the last two maps
hot heart
Ye
balmy wolf
the finals were the same day as the semis
so little to prep there as well
its all about mid game adaptions
hot heart
Only team that could really end shocks streak
tropic herald
But it could backfire
tropic herald
In NA mayhem is the only team that realistically beats Shock
hot heart
You run the risk of loosing
balmy wolf
we keep saying they could be beat shock but they get fucking pummeled into the ground
hot heart
Thats the problem
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Shock might think theyre of their game
Which they are
But if they pull a miracle
Shock are gone
balmy wolf
Like if the meta still favors double hitscan for the most part then gl ig against shock
tropic herald
Itās not double hitscan
hot heart
Whats meta again?
tropic herald
Paris Valiant proves that
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Eh
balmy wolf
i mean it depends on what teams like
tropic herald
Genji Ashe/Widow
hot heart
If brig nerf goes through
tropic herald
They donāt
tropic herald
Thereās also map picks in tourney
hot heart
I meant who has
tropic herald
Soooooo
tropic herald
Just pick maps that favor Genji
balmy wolf
i dont think its down to mechanical skill
balmy wolf
we seen shock counter genji pretty hard before
tropic herald
Itās down to which Genji has better pocket
balmy wolf
nah
balmy wolf
that happens to worse teams
balmy wolf
pockets get less and less value the better the team is
hot heart
But not close to moth i dont think
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Better than moth though?
tropic herald
Maybe
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I don't think so
tropic herald
Itās just rough because both teams starting rosters are very close in skill matchups
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But if he does perform
tropic herald
Smurf Fate
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Mayhem win
tropic herald
Choi Gatgoyle
hot heart
Gargoyle is on the same level
balmy wolf
it really comes down to how good the coaches prep their team
tropic herald
GangNamJin Viol2t
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Rascal better than yaki overall
tropic herald
Moth Kris
tropic herald
Yeah, Mayhem Shock is down to map picks
tropic herald
And prep for eachother
hot heart
I think shock paris will end in a 3-1 to shock
Best case scenario
Mayhem shock goes 3-1 to shock
But itll be close
hot heart
Philly doesnt give me map 5 vibes with shock
Mayhem does
But
Thats my take
Hopefully paris dont die
Only paris fan here i think
tropic herald
Iām a EM fan
tropic herald
Was
balmy wolf
well a majority of EM did get picked up
balmy wolf
a good portion got picked up in the end
tropic herald
I know Alpha and Unique didnāt
balmy wolf
rush who was the coach of EM
balmy wolf
expect doha
hot heart
Could have been a top 6 team no kapp
But im happy with where theyve all gone
Basically paris and dallas
Feel bad for doha
Got the worse end of the deal
tropic herald
He got money doe
tropic herald
Depends
hot heart
While yes their have been insane numbers thrown around for player salaries
Winning OWL is something only the best of the best can achieve
And i just feel bad for him in that regard
Doha on a decent team could have been good for the guys future
balmy wolf
hi
viral veldt
Hi
balmy wolf
rascal was pretty lucky getting back in the league
imagine being one of the best dps in the game and being benched because another top dps was on the same team
then getting onto then fuel and then going back to t2
hot heart
Didnt he go to nrg then get promoted as soob as possible
Dallas were fucking idiots back then
balmy wolf
yea he did get promoted
but imagine being him and doing everything he can to get back into the league
hot heart
Crusty helped him out alot
Reformed this man into someone who doesnt get kicked out of teams
And is one of the best in OW as a whole
balmy wolf
i dont think rascal was ever a bad teammate per say