was there any Eng commentary this match?
#esports-discussion
simple onyx
simple onyx
ah i was watching Kor channels
sullen berry
and thanks to being on youtube
you can even roll back to the beginning of the stream while it's still live
and back
sullen berry
it's the only way for us non-fluent koreans to understand
hence the low viewership
I'm amazed everyone saw the KR only Twitch stream and thought it was the only way to watch it
peak viewership was 80k before League of Legends went live for something
sullen berry
what was peak viewership on YT?
I was driving when it was on
even now we're getting 27k on Twitch
simple onyx
in Korea, YT only few thousands but Twitch got more than 100 thousands
including non official channels
sullen berry
true
simple onyx
like Mirage former Runaway or Dohyeon former Lunatic hai
sullen berry
flowervin stream too
sullen berry
who is the guy sitting in with her watching the stream through her headphones?
sullen berry
lmao
forest raven
simple onyx
his Runner's manager
sullen berry
I haven't noticed how massive Runner's profile has grown with OW since he finished military service
simple onyx
Runner is also League of Legends team owner now
sullen berry
I am aware
sullen berry
I call it a success in the LoL side, but it's too early to say
tropic herald
Peak YT viewers was the may melee
simple onyx
but you should know that was promotion between Divison 2 - 3
sullen berry
May Melee got more hype than this showmatch
simple onyx
Runners team was 8th in Div 2 xD
sullen berry
yeah i know, it's not saying much
tropic herald
This showmatch is just a better thing
Yeah May Melee is cool
But if you got the chance to watch a 3 year rewind
With retired players coming back
It’s pretty epic
simple onyx
i think Kaiser and Bumper should go OWL again
sullen berry
With Blizzard’s ambitious Overwatch League looming, no organization besides OnGameNet (OGN) has actually committed to holding a serious Overwatch tournament on par with major tournaments for other games.
- NA Armchair critic of Overwatch, 2017
APEX finals pulled a solid 150k+ viewers at its peak
tropic herald
Twitter
sullen berry
look if bumper can drag an entire military division to let him promote Overwatch
forest raven
IIRC APEX season 2 finals had like 250k+ viewers across every platform and stream
sullen berry
OGN and this showmatch has drawn enough attention that they can't avert from
simple onyx
he can delay his duty
sullen berry
look at the viewership and advertising that OW League could never touch, save the one article from Emerald Gao
simple onyx
but Tizi went to military few days ago
simple onyx
right it was Gido's peak
outer zenith
THANK YOU, MR. APEX!
sullen berry
reminded me that at the start of jehong's claim to fame involved postponing military service to go pro
I still don't understand if he still had a legit reason for stopping it to be the pro flex support we know today
simple onyx
well luckily ryu started overwatch after his millitary duty
forest raven
Nice
tropic herald
eSports boomer
I don’t think Valorant is very popular in Korea
Maybe he goes back to Sudden Attack or just stays with OW
tropic herald
Can we please get rid of 222 and hero pools for OWL
And maybe even try that ban system
sullen berry
well luckily ryu started overwatch after his millitary duty
@simple onyx oh well that explains my question
Riot's hype machine hasn't even started in Korea
historical evidence based on what we've already seen with Starcraft in Korea, then the Overwatch hype machine
the Korean Valorant scene has remained undetected
or given very little attention
simple onyx
yes i think so but League of Legends succeed like Starcraft
and Valorant can be next Overwatch in Korea
then what is hype machine?
sullen berry
a hype machine is just what I'm calling the moment when it starts to peak in South Korea
the same way that in PC bangs in the next 48 Hours gearing up to make Valorant ready for the masses once a KR game client is available
not a literal hype "machine" but the influx of content and free advertising the game will receive from first month's release madness
think Animal Crossing: New Horizons
rare magnet
nicogdh shaved his head he looks extremely bald
sullen berry
yeah he has in recent months
sullen berry
given tencent's stake in Riot
I would be very surprised if they can't meet the expectations of their majority shareholder
simple onyx
well lets see because it was just a beta
isnt it?
but i worry about Valorant because it is not casual like overwatch
sullen berry
well it doesn't need to be
it could, but then it wouldn't be as competitive at the high level as say, League of Legends?
I find mobas to be much harder to grasp if you're not into the genre
what Valorant is stepping into doesn't sound ridiculously hard to pick up once they learn all the abilities, of which there are several that can turn the tide of a match
simple onyx
well right League of Legends has too high entry barrier
and Valorant was high, at least i played and felt
echo quest
@sullen berry ditched Guangzhou?
I think China already has made like 30 pro teams for valorant
35 actually
sullen berry
and watch them get crushed
unless this is going to be china's big break
since they've been a wonky region to follow in any western-dominant esports scene
The Chinese Government officially recognized esports operators and professionals as of February last year
grizzled badger
Hot Take: The Hero Ban system in the showmatch today was only interesting because no one knew how to play optimally under those conditions yet
silk frost
I disagree
clear crane
echo quest
China will probably get crushed for the first few years
And then dominate
Just like in LOL
Where they surpassed Korea as the best region
And now the best players in lol are chinese
sullen berry
I can imagine Overwatch League in the long term not needing korean players to their rosters
it will be a weird ass timeline now
now pray tell, when will most of the chinese teams go without Koreans in their roster?
young fractalBOT
Soon™
silk frost
imagine this: Washington signs Kaiser, Haksal, Bumper, Runner
karmic grotto
Runner is not a player (was a player years ago), he's just a manager/owner of teams
silk frost
no they get rid of the dead weight first duh
silk frost
back in my day
barren quest
blissful wadi
It was on this day that the league was doomed
outer zenith
Or... Y'know? He flops.
rugged yacht
Why can't OWL have these type of bans?
simple onyx
bcuz they are idiots?
hot heart
Sp9rk1e might get boomed if paris keep loosing
primal minnow
^
Paris are a good team overall but Valiant seems strong as well.
Dont count Paris out just because they lost a match
simple onyx
theres no one worse than Roar
willow lava
I have Razer wolverine TE i need Button Mappin/Bind Tips
true hound
Idk
Whatever’s easy for you
I bind melee to a mouse button cause I’m pepega and blink with shift
simple onyx
Stitch signed with Washington officially
raw ermine
nice
swift moth
melee is my mouse as well
raw ermine
I bind melee to F
cause I play minecraft and i have sprint bound to F
so at moments notice I can sprint/melee and I trained myself to hold my finger there
ripe bolt
pc losers
worn falcon
🤔
swift moth
I use melee on mouse for a left click melee / boop melee for lucioball
balmy wolf
london spitfire cool
final rapids
tropic herald
When is Mag gonna get a team
balmy wolf
I actually feel awful for the justice roster
According to sleepy, they didn’t hire a proper translator for the team until stage 3 when Sleepy joined the roster...
Even when he joined the team talked in baby talk...
Not many of the players knew English well... or given lessons
It was all “baby talk...”
This year, they lost their coaching staff from last season... picked up new coaching staff failed...
Lost their star players
Picked up Two titans players which is amazing...
Lullish and Ellivote might be forced to leave the team since it went all Korean
Unless they can pull a Guangzhou
sullen berry
Look it's no secret that working with Korean players is highly desirable for their work ethic and degree of experience in esports
Justice no worse than Titans when it comes to their management
What's not clear is how much comes down to unfortunate events (lullshish not in playing capacity unlike Fielder for Paris)
Yes of course a computer connection NA to Korea is different geographically from EU to NA...
Or whether this is just poor long term contingency planning (having Corey last year play with 5 koreans because that's all they had before stratus was of age)
There's a number of insights Monte has made that points out where The Washington Justice have made questionable decisions that make it look like they hold back money and decisions to buy out players at really suspicious timeframes
hidden vault
I'm surprised they hadn't change their head coach to a korean tbh
sullen berry
Some pathetic proactive planning
hidden vault
Cause it's not profitable unless you are at the top
I'm not even sure how profitable is shock
sullen berry
If a team can't get sponsors on their jerseys
hidden vault
So organisations treats employees of an unprofitable company like shit
sullen berry
That really tells you how bizarre the rumors of how funding operates on the franchise level actually hold up
hidden vault
To make it more "profitable" by cutting cost support etc
sullen berry
What happens at the top from Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick
Naturally falls into place as the norm or acceptable business culture
At this point it's so frequent and obvious we could almost forget this could be considered predatory practice
A quick search on YouTube of past interns or employees at Activision or Blizzard will tell you some felt that they weren't being paid enough for their craft.
That's a given knowing how hiring the best of the best works in these environments
karmic grotto
Can't wait for Riot to copy overwatch /s
hidden vault
Would i be wrong to say all these happened after the merger?
echo quest
Damn T1 is going all in valorant
They will have an Na academy team and also a korean team. Wonder if other korean orgs will follow in suit
I’m assuming Gen G will also pick up a korean roster
karmic grotto
hm
jagged crater
Hello
raw ermine
Wasn't it dafran who said he would like to own a strawberry farm and wanted to wake up to strawberries to pick?
true hound
idk
raw ermine
Yeah someone in the comments mentioned that
true hound
hm
forest raven
Kevster 👀
raw ermine
Is Zach going to valorant?
true hound
no idea
echo quest
He’s baiting
Dafran has said multiple times that he loves nothing more than making money by streaming games for 8 hours a day
Also he did something similar after he quit OWL. A few streams afterwards he baited his entire chat thinking he was having a child
karmic grotto
LOL
echo quest
Maybe he is serious tho
He has talked about his interest in growing strawberries
I’m gonna be really sad if he does leave tho
balmy wolf
He did do it the day valorant came out
echo quest
He’s done this shit before
I really can’t tell lmao
But I think he’s baiting given his past in doing this type of stuff
raw ermine
Yeah I remember him saying he is going to be a dad
raw ermine
I want organic non GMO Dafran strawberries
swift moth
stop
bitter grotto
@manic elbow @pallid sand @echo quest don't
echo quest
@bitter grotto what did I do?
gentle shuttle
What was the name of the eu genji otp that got a wrist injury and disappeared a few years ago
echo quest
Shadder2k
gentle shuttle
Yeahhhh
pallid sand
please give feedback
gentle shuttle
He played cree and reaper iirc but he was most known for his genji
Thanks that was bugging me for a while
true hound
However
He was playing tarkov with dafran 3 months ago
so maybe he’ll come back some day
Maybe not streaming OW but whatever it is I’ll watch him
he was my fav
simple onyx
Element Mystic recruits academy members
next mesa
x\c
dafran is trolling
hopefully
he loves games dude
how is he gonna make money with farming 
feral zodiac
Like all other farmers 
simple onyx
Snilo retired?
raw ermine
Zach deleted the other tweet where he said "oops I didn't mean to send that yet"
tropic herald
Send what
raw ermine
he sent his twitlonger announcing his retirement by accident, and then deleted it, then sent the tweet I mentioned above, and later deleted that one
tropic herald
Ope
karmic grotto
@echo quest imagine losing to a team without staff that only scrim and still beats other Contenders teams that do have staff
tropic herald
#stomped
echo quest
Goddamn the Chinese LOL league, t2 system puts contenders to shame
echo quest
Contenders really doesn’t compare
Also seems to be of Benefit as almost every org in the main league has a team in it. Can’t say the same for contenders unfortunately
karmic grotto
what's the difference
echo quest
Just the way they handle it. It’s all over the LPL broadcast, and it’s ran in a tournament style over 3 weeks meaning there are a couple of games every day and it’s production has no drop off from the LPL
Biggest thing is the games are streamed unlike Contenders
Honestly they should start introducing an English broadcast so more fans could get engaged as the western audience for Chinese Lol is growing every year
echo quest
The LDL churns our new hyped prospects every year
LPL begins in 3 days and people are hyped as hell to see the new mid laner who joined team WE. He was smurfing in the LDL and won player of the match every game and even won tournament mvp. The LPL stream showed his clips too
Which is extra pog
echo quest
Oddly enough it’s yet to produce a Resource heavy ADC superstar
karmic grotto
hmm
verbal minnow
miami vice
short sparrow
Nah
It's good, but not that good
Architect coming in is probably the most important change
Maybe they become a top 3 in Asia, if that's you mean...
short sparrow
Idk how much credit you can give to Pajion for the Titans' run last year
The players didn't seem to like him according to rumours
sullen berry
think of it this way, was the success coming from harsha?
in seriousness
very player centric goals in the old vancouver roster
short sparrow
Honestly, I just assumed a lot of it came from the players...
sullen berry
pajion wasn't neccessarily messing around to help them sustain a 19 win streak during the regular season
short sparrow
Sure
sullen berry
also I just started watching old toronto vs fusion uni VODs
hey this man had a pretty good track record
and even better, he holds up alright right before the implosion was developing
echo quest
I wonder if pro OW can long last enough that we can crown a goat
And have legends of the game
Like in LoL it’s a really sad day today cuz the second best player ever retired
true hound
a goat
hmm
I guess we’d have to do one for every role
there haven’t been many flex players who play every single role right
cause I know internethulk played everything
hot heart
Miro was a legend for some time
forest raven
Miro pretty much showed people winston could be viable
hearty tangle
true hound
for dps idk
weak bolt
true hound
Didn’t he just join as a coach
short sparrow
Let's go 😄
swift moth
fuck it, good pickup?
verbal minnow
No boost.
blissful wadi
Remember when he played for valiant
worn falcon
wow thats a novel
silk frost
I wOnDeR wHy
dry karma
OK, why can't console players get the OWL Replay viewer?
I've played OW for 500 hours on PS4, yet I have to buy another copy just to get perks like that?
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place for this, i just feel like its kinda dumb
raw ermine
oh right
he's underage
forgot
was*
he's an agressive lucio so we might see him in over anamo
sullen berry
Can someone post a photo of mandu and hotba side by side
hot heart
Thats fuckin weird
sullen berry
@raw ermine thank you
ornate junco
I’m so dumb...
I accidentally called reinforce a commentator instead of a analyst because me and my friend were talking about commentators and I said this “Day 1 of trying to get my favorite esports commentator @reinforce to follow me”
ornate junco
on twitter btw
simple onyx
undone juniper
balmy wolf
Any Phili fans?
silk frost
are those real?
tropic herald
I’m an Alarm and FunnyAstro fan
true hound
im a chipsa fan only
swift moth
his name is Philip "Chipsa" Graham star and undefeated player of the Philipdelphia Fish and Chipsa please say his name with some respect
and also zach got a lot of shit but im still said to see him go :(
swift moth
yeah
I think he could have had a much better performance if aero didn't stick him on brig, a role he clearly hated
next mesa
I mean dallas obviously didn't need him anymore
raw ermine
they bought 4 hitscan for reasons unknown
next mesa
literally they only need decay for hitscan so
raw ermine
Decay and Doha are both flex DPS so they are both good at hitscan
dry karma
Ellivote got dropped?
swift moth
source?
swift moth
yeah
velvet hawk
Get Toronto Ellivote and Lullsish
swift moth
never got his debut
hidden vault
Next is lullsish and it's a full korean team
ornate junco
I suppose you could delete the tweet and repost:)
@hidden vault he responded 2 minutes after I tweeted it.. ig I can just clarify what I meant to type
hidden vault
@hidden vault he responded 2 minutes after I tweeted it.. ig I can just clarify what I meant to type
yeah I think it is preferable you should clarify:)
karmic grotto
With this ellivote release
more korean players in owl
and less non-koreans
just call it korean owl
Could it be
that haksal
goes to justice?
I mean, if Justice goes full korean
and haksal talks about a full korean team he will join
Does this then mean lullsish will be released as well
Making it a full korean team
9000 IQ Haksal
velvet hawk
They seem to be split based on their play style for the map too..
placid phoenix
koreans > non-koreans?
royal apex
Which Moira 1k skin is best?
raw ermine
Only scientist is good
supple prism
i just use classic
true hound
That scream
true hound
Sp9r1ke vibes
echo quest
Man I should have recorded it, sp9r1kle was on my team and he got slept by viol2t while blading funniest shit ever
The loudest scream I have ever heard
And it proceeded it to him cussing at viol2t in a mix of English and korean
swift moth
isn't there already a clip of that?
swift moth
I've seen a clip of spakrle getting slept out of a blade and screaming
echo quest
Ah
swift moth
it's a classic
hot heart
Imagine sp9rk1e on stage
true hound
I wanna see him post game interview
silk frost
he'll just be screaming bro
serene idol
Are there overwatch clans
I wanna join an overwatch team or group thats kinda competitive, but mostly just plays for fun, not for try hard prizes or acknowledgement
sullen berry
So youre looking for PUGs
Keep up with #community-announcements
And theres servers better tailored to that if you meet people with the same gaming preferences as you
karmic grotto
RIP Justice
sullen berry
It was inevitable
They didnt leverage him
and when they did, the performance was subpar. So what happens next?
sullen berry
But Visa
sullen berry
Guinevere Capital is taking over logistical control of London Spitfire and British Hurricane. Cloud9 will still hold team operations in Korea.
Hope their Planning for 2021 works out with c9's slow transition away from OWL
echo quest
So carter wasn’t capping
sullen berry
Yeah I didn't doubt carter
I didn't even know how good he was until his ex introduced me to him
hidden vault
Cloud 9 wants to step out of owl?
karmic grotto
Overwatch league next week
Ugh
Why not this week
Is this the second week of vacation?
Break*
true hound
idk man
owl starts on like my last day of school
which is kinda fresh
is it back to regular season play
and then we get a tourney
tropic herald
simple onyx
Haksal joins NYXL officially
tropic herald
LETS GOOOO
simple onyx
oh xD
echo quest
I need OWL to start now bruh. My day has been ruined by the LPL
raw ermine
Twitter
tldr: he will play but not in 2020
he is tired cause he can't speak or read korean
echo quest
Feelsbadman
dry karma
F for Whoru and libero
echo quest
Libero will play
Dude is good at everything
Keep whoru for OW2
Tbh
He’s young as hell
raw ermine
hot take:
NYXL Dps line is now better than sfs
worn falcon
Whoru maybe traded
raw ermine
Imagine tellling someone 2 years ago that the runaway flex dps would play with the LH flex dps
tropic herald
He’d be a good caster or analyst I think
karmic grotto
I thinlk
nyxl getting haksal is not bad move
why?
because shock has twilight
so this move is legit
On the other hand ,I don't like this move from both
becaus getting the good players, leaves the leage with lesser players
difference becomes big
raw ermine
you don't like that they are getting really good players and not leaving them for the worse teams?
karmic grotto
not worse team, but balancing out the average
otherwise lower teams will have difficult time competing
there's no fun in that
raw ermine
I don't think the better teams have an obligation to do that. If they are better, they get more money. Plus, Haksal wants to win so he would join a better team as opposed to a worse one
JJANU is kinda excepting that rule
but they probably gave him a ton of money
karmic grotto
Justice indeed has money, they just choose not to spend it, but now they have jjanu
and stitch
echo quest
I don’t think it’s a problem if there is a constant supply of talent
scenic elm
echo quest
Like in lol. The first and second best players in the world are on a team together and the league they play in is still extremely competitive
worn falcon
Wonder if Justice wants WhoRu or maybe a new tank
Also when the windows closes for trading?
worn falcon
Yakpung
raw ermine
as a
worn falcon
raw ermine
"Honourary player"
tropic herald
Yakpung and Kaiser
raw ermine
Kaiser must be in OWL soon no exceptions
worn falcon
yeh, kpop gibs monies
raw ermine
Kaiser to Justice after they get rid of lull?
worn falcon
Kaiser sounds overrated
true hound
kaiser is god
worn falcon
also afaik justice is with 6 active players, the minimum is 7
they have Lullsish still
tropic herald
Isn’t the minim 7
worn falcon
so, either they get another DPS or tank
worn falcon
i mean yes, lullsish for sure is gone but still in contract
tropic herald
Lullsish could have played
worn falcon
so they fill the minimum
tropic herald
Washington just didn’t want to
tropic herald
Any players with ping is a yikes
tropic herald
Yet they had their off tank and hitscan play with it
worn falcon
thats why i say if he released probs goes to Wash
balmy wolf
HAKSAL IN NYXL DAMNN poor WhoRU
silk frost
wash??
maybe
he probably wouldn't want to leave Korea tho
do you think Shanghai would have any interest in him?
it sounds crazy but Moon would probably be able to tame him
worn falcon
SHD is full and cracked dps
silk frost
I know
worn falcon
silk frost
but who's their genji or doom?
silk frost
I was thinking Fleta would be their genji/doom
raw ermine
And Dding
silk frost
Dding will never play tho that's the difference
tropic herald
That chart looks a little dated
silk frost
thb I'm not even looking at it lol
raw ermine
wait
they have it update so Punk is on boston but no so updated that blase is gone?
wait
blase is in 2 places! Boston and Houston!
silk frost
yeah I'm gonna ignore it's existence lol
silk frost
I just go to Liquipedia
tropic herald
Liquipedia is nice
silk frost
honestly I could see Shanghai dropping Dding and yoinking Whoru
tropic herald
Why though
silk frost
for a better genji/doom
especially with the experimental I think genji will be viable
worn falcon
i see him fitting more on Washington if he released
worst case
Uprising
Florida doesnt have a genji main?
wait, thats yaki
silk frost
yeah Fleta can play an okay Genji but I don't think any of them have ever played doom, and Whoru is nutty at them both
Washington would be better, but I would like to see him in Shanghai tbh
worn falcon
gotta wait for more annoucements next week i guess
simple onyx
nah
NYXL need dps good at hitscan, not new support like mandu
tbh sbb or nenne is not enough for team wants to be the champion
worn falcon
i dont think they need new hitscans, they need to keep their shit together
simple onyx
lol nyxl is just wasting their salarycap rn
tropic herald
NY isn’t even a team I’d worry about now
They are in 4th with a better map diff than Shock
north tendon
haksal to nyxl
karmic grotto
why would they waste it
simple onyx
i mean if nyxl sell some dps, they can get other, better dps
north tendon
so basically if you want to see the best genji play you go for nyxl
big brain marketing
simple onyx
i didnt mean they have no money
north tendon
better dps like
simple onyx
SBB is fine?
worn falcon
Yes, and he is one which try too keep the team united
simple onyx
nah he is not tier 1 sombra
north tendon
yeah sbb is super fine
tropic herald
Most of the teams issues is them transitioning to the aggro play style
Even then the issue aren’t terrible
They still stomp weak teams and play strong teams close
north tendon
right sbb is like the soul of nyxl
we're just chokers
on a good day any team is beatable
north tendon
doesnt make nyxl any less of a choking team
lol
they lose when it matters
thats what hurts
simple onyx
guys ive seen him from apex season 2 and i know he is the core of nyxl. if he stays, other players have to leave
tropic herald
They’ve choke once recently
simple onyx
nyxl have 5 dps but no one can play widow or mccree
tropic herald
Bruh
north tendon
im just talking about owl seasons as a whole
north tendon
madlucky what
north tendon
yeah I didnt talk about the may melee in particular
worn falcon
the entire team plays Widow
north tendon
didnt watch it
tropic herald
When’s the last time NY choked
north tendon
wasnt it against the charge?
north tendon
or maybe it was dragons, that was before the melee
echo quest
Still in Na
north tendon
cant remember
but yeah the seoul loss to dragons was pretty bad
for their fans I mean
tropic herald
But I don’t think either loss of recent times is a good from NY
Just better team wins
tropic herald
It’s not like the choke that gave them the title from S1
But they clearly aren’t the chokers anymore
north tendon
if you wanna talk recently then sure
simple onyx
@simple onyx Nenne
@echo quest right. nyxl have nenne and he is good at many hitscan heroes. but think about past seasons. most of champions had good dps players can clutch
i know they are good, but need something more if nyxl wants to be the champion of owl
rare magnet
wow they actually did it
dry karma
I mean, with Mandu and Haksal NYXL will be better, but are they truly title ready? I hate the playstyle they have
dry karma
Yup
hot heart
Rip WhoRU
dry karma
THATS WHAT I SAID
hot heart
His career might actuallt be over
dry karma
No
hot heart
In OWL
dry karma
He will certainly find a team next year
hot heart
I dont think hes that good
Maybe Washington
Lower to mid table team
Hes not getting on a top tier team
The dps one that level would decimate him
balmy wolf
Anyone know what date the owl returns ? Ik it was on a two / three week break but I can't remember how long it's been already aha
karmic grotto
SPARKLE BACK TO 18
balmy wolf
Thanks guys
inland flare
WHY THE FUCK U NEED HASKAL???
IM-
so dumb
whoru isnt going to be in the lineup anymore
true hound
whoru plays echo and dupes genji
While haksal plays genji himself
Then they pop off
fiery mesa
±
true hound
prob
inland flare
but whoru is a great player
u dont need that much dps
lol
I honestly hope nenne is coming back
vital cedar
jofi just had an 8 environmental kill point on nepal sanctum
with a 4k boop in final fight
if he keeps up his performance to todays standards he could get scouted for OWL
balmy wolf
He said hes taking Korean lessons for spitfire lul
next mesa
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Whoru gg
literally will not play
also libero
idk
libero or haksal
bro they have like 5 dps
most of them very top tier
silk frost
Libero is more flexible, but Haksal is more explosive
raw ermine
oof
karmic grotto
HELLO KOREANS
short sparrow
No JohnGalt 😭
tropic herald
Twitter
Another twitlonger from Washington and it seems as if RoaR just isn’t in a single one
hidden vault
He was the last non korean in the coaching staff
Apparently Stratus and John did thank each other either
@short sparrow was johngalt good???
balmy wolf
apparently WJ is gonna become a superteam very soon based off leaks
balmy wolf
Mag/QoQ/Innovation/Myunbong
and if nenne/libero signing is real than yea thats pretty stacked
hidden vault
Nenne Libero from NYXL
Wth?
I would say Mag and QoQ is over due
Who is innovation anyways
hidden vault
I sew
I would be i interested to see who boston will field for Myunbong
And more interested in who would be headcoach of justice
balmy wolf
Whoever the assistant coach is rn is probs getting promoted
hidden vault
Supreme
Probably him
But I think justice is still gonna sign another coach
Either head or assistant
karmic grotto
Those leaks
Holy shit
See?
Justice indeed had money
But decided not to spend and go budget
Seems like they're done losing games and just want to win
sullen berry
I'm sorry to hear you've just discovered this
glad to know it's been verified as of late
they're very reactionary with their spending - it was meant to be a roster with limited resources
karmic grotto
That roster will be stacked as fuck
Mag and qoq finally in owl
"If these rumors for washington are true then justice's roster will be Mag/r0ar/QoQ/JJanu/Nenne/Stitch/Innovation/Libero/Ark/Myunbong/AimGod which just seems so fucking stacked its crazy"
karmic grotto
People spouting nonsense when they have no knowledge about Chinese Contenders
Calling innovation unproven when he has admitted having no knowledge about China
People in subreddit with their opinions of no foundation
Ugh
balmy wolf
kind of disheartening to see that perception on top t2 players
since top t2 players are just t1 players not in the OWL yet
thats all
karmic grotto
Exactly
That's what I have been arguing with him
He thinks you can't cut or trade a top 5 dps player for an unproven contenders player
Makes no sense
Teams can cut those players if it doesn't work out
Look at nyxl
2 season, almost 3rd season with a passive style of play
Doesn't work out despite having star caliber players
So what do you do? You change your lineup
and if you need to have lower tier player with potential, then so be it
we aren't there to judge or to decide
We are not scouting and actively trying out those players in scrims, we only know their performance from official pro matches
balmy wolf
i mean yea some contenders players are bust when they come in the league but top players in t2 rarely come into the league and dropped out
karmic grotto
i agree
balmy wolf
almost every top t2 player came into the league and popped tf off
karmic grotto
Like, look at fielder from eternal, I never heard of him
mans pops off on 200 ms
crazy shit
karmic grotto
^^^^ that's what I said as well
balmy wolf
the gap between individual players in all ranges in pro play isnt that wide at all
the difference is when u put them in a team scenario
brain
balmy wolf
technically nenne is unproven compared to innovation
since innovation actually won tournaments lol
karmic grotto
Indeed, he doesn't know
He has no knowledge and starts screaming his opinion when he doesn't follow Contenders scene
He only knows what he sees in OWL
balmy wolf
ever since nenne was on xl2 he hasnt been at 1st place at all
karmic grotto
Right now Nenne is doing pretty good though
Sadly his health issue made him stay in US
balmy wolf
just very unlooky
karmic grotto
And I can see why he wants to stay in US to play
We shall see what will happen with the leaks, not as if they would all be true
balmy wolf
that leaker has been eerily accurate on all of their predictions
balmy wolf
that leaker even knew heesu couldnt play in the melee tournament
so yea probs someone in the owl themselves
karmic grotto
owl leaker lol
luckily, not many know about these leaks, only us in subreddit
and those in dc gallery
next week owl starts
it's gonna be a good weekend
I hope jon comes quick with the schedule
karmic grotto
Nenne
innovation
well
contenders weekly schedule is different
but if you see how consistent team cc is
balmy wolf
still tho thats crazy from team cc
very few contenders teams boast that kind of consistency
fusion uni when they were still good, runaway, EM
karmic grotto
and they are now in owl
researching more, FITS came from the same team as ANS also played
fits kr trials 2018 season 3
ans from korean cup in 2019 june
balmy wolf
i believe lip came from the same team as well
balmy wolf
doha on EM did so much for holy shit
i've been watching more ans streams lately
and no wonder he has a reputation on the ladder
guys a fucking machine on widow
balmy wolf
really hard to say for me if hes is a top 5 widow rn
karmic grotto
that guy replied, let's see what he got to say 
oh wait, he stopped reacting
LOL
was some other guy saying: "I dunno dude. Innovation has shown some inflexibility so far.", I mean, that's a valid point. You sign players for specific heroes
@balmy wolf I agree, he didn't had to play against stronger widows
Didn't babybay became like: hol up dude, I am gonna pump up
then babybay started dominating him in junkertown
and I know for sure there are far better widows than babybay
ans now look op because shocks tanks enable him so much
but what happens when ans plays against a top team that does the same for their own widow player?
Then he has to prove himself
balmy wolf
for what we seen expect from that one map, hes generally gets the most of out widow by picking more supports than actual widows
balmy wolf
he doesnt like giving widows the chance to even look at him
karmic grotto
But you know, owl teams will watch footage and learn from what he does
he can't keep repeating the same things
balmy wolf
hes improving tho
karmic grotto
true
balmy wolf
and striker has been on leave recently so hes been doing great with that in mind