Not wrong @tropic herald
#esports-discussion
tropic herald
Third Impact, Team Doge and Second Wind are all candidates
balmy wolf
ngl never been a huge fan of titans , only a few of their players
tropic herald
Team Doge is just Envy fyi
balmy wolf
i dont think SW would survive in OWL, bottom 5 probs
worn falcon
Bruh, this old thread https://twitter.com/swingchip930/status/1255953143923343360
Twitter
hot heart
Biggest jebait in OWL history
balmy wolf
not kept up with NA contenders tho much so idk
tropic herald
Going dark
tropic herald
The thing is Team Doge is not all 18+
hot heart
Yeah
clear crane
It’s Second Wind
hot heart
So it could be a situation where they pick up most of the roster on one team
And some from another team
NANI
Wait confirmed?
worn falcon
how many from Doge are <18?
sullen berry
@worn falcon swingchip deleted that post
balmy wolf
Halo corrected himself actually, technically not fake news
hot heart
Fake news KkonaW
worn falcon
@sullen berry He did? Boi
sullen berry
they're malding i bet
tropic herald
Second Wind would mean that Roolf finally in OWL
balmy wolf
And if the sources of ESPN turn out to be wrong? that looks worse on them than it ever would on halo
worn falcon
@sullen berry https://i.imgur.com/QHl1BB7.png
balmy wolf
u sure its deleted? i just read it and it wasnt
sullen berry
you actually wild
worn falcon
sullen berry
??
hot heart
???????
sullen berry
wild
hot heart
Bruh
tropic herald
Are you active one twitter?
clear crane
Article says they signed 5 players. So they still need 2 more at least
sullen berry
nah, it's completely new to me
hot heart
Hm
balmy wolf
its a minimum of 8 players @clear crane
balmy wolf
oh
worn falcon
@sullen berry wew, odd
karmic grotto
fucking kraft
worn falcon
but there you go the SS
karmic grotto
always using his contacts to get league to change things
balmy wolf
maybe the changed it because of the uprising situation?
karmic grotto
Kraft Conspiracy
clear crane
Prob
hot heart
My prediction: Third impact getting picked up and some others from third impact or vice versa.
Put in your predictions everybody
limber pine
Twitter
hot heart
Lets hope the juicey news us dropped soon
tropic herald
Third Impact would’ve been the better pick up
karmic grotto
wtf
limber pine
my prediction is second wind.
limber pine
for obvious reasons
karmic grotto
and those are?
tropic herald
Second Wind isn’t bad
balmy wolf
TI would be the smartest
tropic herald
They are in first rn
hot heart
Third impact is better arent they?
sullen berry
@limber pine pog at least we have a team
raw ermine
a least roolf is in OWL if this happens
hot heart
Why pick up second wind
balmy wolf
TI won the most recent week
daring sapphire
carter had already came out saying he knew from inside sources it wasnt third impact
sullen berry
TI wouldn't come cheaper
hot heart
Yeah
sullen berry
Aqualini just drained their accounts buying out runaway remember
limber pine
sullen berry
they want a return on their investments this time
limber pine
you could do worse I think
hot heart
BRO
daring sapphire
better bottom tier than having no money to run the team well this time
tight bramble
@sullen berry I think because they blocked users who follow a certain account?
sullen berry
I don't follow NA Contenders enough
balmy wolf
@sullen berry yes but they merged with Luminosity so theyd have plenty
hot heart
Lmao
sullen berry
@tight bramble yeah I can't put my finger on who, which is the whole point
tropic herald
Iced, UltraViolet and Speedily are all underage iirc
daring sapphire
didnt luminosity have some problems with the running of their R6 team last year?
clear crane
Yes
balmy wolf
this year
hot heart
Ye
daring sapphire
oh wow more recent than i'd thought
clear crane
They are not a good esports org apparently lol
balmy wolf
they didnt even apply for the r6 pilot program , knowing they were leaving r6, didnt tell players till last month
said players are stuck in vegas without a job
worn falcon
Sadly no love for Harb on this
balmy wolf
said players also didnt meet with a member of the LG staff once
balmy wolf
idk
tropic herald
He wouldn’t be terrible
balmy wolf
does he want to play owl?
tropic herald
But he can’t play dva
hot heart
Thats a big oof
clear crane
Carter said theres 2 more non SW players
worn falcon
from Contenders Korea to Contenders NA
sullen berry
busting the vancouver titans page, if not locked by this point
worn falcon
the full circle
balmy wolf
They did get 3-0d by rebellion .... who disbanded
tropic herald
Decod and Icy
Please
Literally any TI players
My feed is going to make me cry
clear crane
lol Halo tweeted hes free
raw ermine
lmao
sullen berry
I have work in an hour so I'll keep my opinions blunt - it was... inevitable
https://twitter.com/yeHHH/status/1258101642005811200
tropic herald
It’s confirmed that the 5 of age players of Second Wind are confirmed
Wow
Excuse my sentence
sullen berry
Washington and Florida just got a slight bump in their odds suddenly LMAO
daring sapphire
this better be antwn making that tweet
worn falcon
wow empathy
earnest leaf
ngl a t2 roster could probably beat justice LOL
sullen berry
@tropic herald confirmed in what way?
hot heart
Washington might win their second game
hot heart
Mayhem gonna slaughter titans
clear crane
Florida shud win
sullen berry
double confirm all you want, but vancouver have about exactly 3 days to announce their new core
tropic herald
Well ESPN said they were in
balmy wolf
i voted for florida and washington on strafe for some ez points
tropic herald
And uh
daring sapphire
monka
karmic grotto
today they should do it in my opinion.
daring sapphire
im thinkin tomorrow
hot heart
Washington could go either way
raw ermine
SFS being nice, And NYXL+ FM being memers
balmy wolf
wait, how many players does SW have? 5?
tropic herald
8
sullen berry
ESPN also reported dafran retiring before the start of season 2 over a twitter post, I'm going to keep it under speculation but definitely looking likely @tropic herald
balmy wolf
ah
tropic herald
But 5 are 18+
balmy wolf
bc 3 of them are underage
earnest leaf
a few SW players aren't elgible
tropic herald
@sullen berry I mean wasn’t Dafran going to retire almost before the season?
raw ermine
Iced is 17
sullen berry
@tropic herald well I know that if it didn't work out for dafran at the time, he was on his way out as part of a mutual agreement with Atlanta reign - remember this was when people were looking forward to his debut
balmy wolf
july 15 @hot heart
tropic herald
True
sullen berry
basically a sp9rk1e
clear crane
Saturday cant come fast enough 😬
hot heart
Is the guy good?
sullen berry
@tropic herald gotta admit it is hella stress
tropic herald
OWL is very stressful
balmy wolf
Well a few TI players are underage so maybe a combination of TI and SW?
hot heart
Its not even funny
tropic herald
OW in general is very easy to burnout on
hot heart
Just sad and frustrating
past spoke
New titans roster is not looking good in scrims
hot heart
@balmy wolf thats what im predicting
sullen berry
don't forget the possibility of en.G and Harb! @past spoke
karmic grotto
not looking good... source?
hot heart
Wait
sullen berry
ah shit ah fuck did you know about this too??
hot heart
Yeah source?
tropic herald
@past spoke who else did they pick up?
sullen berry
Neptuno, personally
tropic herald
Or is this confidential
clear crane
Wasn't Higan pretty toxic
karmic grotto
they should have signed ti instead
past spoke
as for who is replacing the underage players
limber pine
i mean, who wouldn't be surprised if they weren't doing good in scrims
past spoke
idk
young fractalBOT
tropic herald
Second Wind is cheaper than Third Impact
karmic grotto
we don't need halo
tropic herald
Simple facts
tropic herald
Yikes
hot heart
Give us more juice @past spoke
limber pine
i mean, it is what it is
karmic grotto
or are they?
limber pine
getting signed and getting thrown into OWL with very little practice time will definitely look bad
worn falcon
pretty much
raw ermine
past spoke
idk SW kind of has a notoriously toxic bunch of players
karmic grotto
so, this is odd. second wind is 1st NA, but they're the cheaper ones
raw ermine
some happy news
past spoke
i dont feel bad for bashing
karmic grotto
something doesn't add up here
past spoke
third impact or doge are probably best NA tendies teams
past spoke
how are they first
past spoke
oh cuz they won first week
sullen berry
The bottom
Season 1: Shanghai Dragons 
0-40
Season 2: Florida Mayhem 
6-22
Season 3: Boston Uprising 
1-??, Washington Justice 2-?? or Vancouver Titans 
2-??
past spoke
idk contenders seeding was dogshit
past spoke
when i was with revival we got seeded vs triumph 3 weeks in a row
hot heart
Wait wha
karmic grotto
F
sullen berry
sounds a lot like the OW League experience, rematch after rematch
past spoke
100% sure that doge and TI are better
karmic grotto
Titans have work to do
sullen berry
but doge is not in the conversation, right?
tropic herald
SW has better rng
karmic grotto
because having billions in cash but signing a cheap roster with not even all players eligible
past spoke
fr
hot heart
True
karmic grotto
that's a major fuck up
tropic herald
Doge probably not even in talk
hot heart
Managemant
tropic herald
PepeHands
hot heart
Needs ro be replaced
tropic herald
#stomped
sullen berry
200IQ this helped to win my wallet in a weird way
hot heart
Before picking up a team
hot heart
Discounted lmfao
karmic grotto
I wished to see TI :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( why is vancouver esports owner so bad at managing
sullen berry
fanatics are just desparate across all teams to sell stock left from last year, lul
hot heart
So titans stonks have went through the floor
karmic grotto
and now even lower
sullen berry
it could have been prevented if haksal and co preferred to stay with Vancouver
karmic grotto
with this cheap roster that according to palu aren't doing well in scrims
sullen berry
wasn't an option for the roster and the org screwed up big time getting them to move
hot heart
Welp
karmic grotto
@sullen berry feels like runaway have shot themselves in the feet
hot heart
Fuck my life
hot heart
And fuck every single person that led to this on management
tropic herald
Not RunAway
karmic grotto
some fight and they decide to abort mission
tropic herald
RunAway popping
hot heart
If any person im management is reading this
balmy wolf
maybe we will see another implosion for runaway
hot heart
Fuck you
balmy wolf
lul
sullen berry
imagine
sullen berry
overwatch as a whole has worked off outrage media surprisingly well
karmic grotto
and then in 2021
sullen berry
this actually benefits in weird ways for Activision blizzard
karmic grotto
new teams and suddenly runaway are once again signed to owl team
sullen berry
people buying old jerseys
past spoke
im super broken hearted
sullen berry
or whatever
balmy wolf
i dont think runaway will stick together
sullen berry
just follow runaway 3.0 LOL
karmic grotto
who?
balmy wolf
runaway 3.0 are bad tho arent they
sullen berry
https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/RunAway not entriely better than the original, ofc
limber pine
apparently only 5 of SW is of age
tropic herald
RunAway is still good
balmy wolf
yes we know
tropic herald
Just not OG good
limber pine
so they may have to sign some of TI
sullen berry
Dalton stonks 📈
limber pine
So Halo not likely going to leave
balmy wolf
iced, speed and violet are underage
past spoke
yeah i have an idea of who theyre signing
worn falcon
or doge or some random
limber pine
who's left
tropic herald
Halo already leaving lol
limber pine
not a rhetorical question btw
past spoke
potential OWL trades
limber pine
true
karmic grotto
c'mon, give harbleu a chance as lim is part of vancouver
sullen berry
buyout for chipsa
tropic herald
What benched MS are there?
sullen berry
calling the 800IQ play
limber pine
Marvel lul
karmic grotto
what about them
limber pine
there are a few that haven't played or haven't played in a while
balmy wolf
are we just naming MTs?
past spoke
GiG staying with val
balmy wolf
wwhat team is gig on
limber pine
oh I read Empathy's comment wrong
balmy wolf
yeh
balmy wolf
i thought gig started for val
sullen berry
@past spoke @limber pine have to head off for work now but I'll leave you with all my moods watching others react today
https://youtu.be/yeuCDiHzZzA?t=19
sullen berry
I'm entertained while laughing through all the pain and the truth of the OW League's stability at this point
just reminding myself it's been this way for a long time
past spoke
god this feels like a trainwreck
sullen berry
a trainwreck i have to breakdown with my fellow podcasting trio
sullen berry
I'm not going to use this here to advertise rn - this chat is usally pretty here already
@round obsidian scroll up bud
the conversation is here
sullen berry
that's a nice portfolio of teams to be holding stock in this season
round obsidian
someone needs to make that grim reaper meme where he's going in all the different doors but with fissure and the teams
round obsidian
that's all it takes 
sullen berry
balmy wolf
doesnt need to have been an issue, the normal eye will see him in 4 teams and released from 3, retired from 1
that was an amazing moment tbf @sullen berry
round obsidian
where were u when titans was kill?
I was at home watching valorant when ryujehong call
"Titans is kill"
no
sullen berry
o no
past spoke
sullen berry
👏
balmy wolf
i sent it into the liquipedia discord lets see if they believe it @past spoke
tropic herald
raw ermine
balmy wolf
profit x5
past spoke
balmy wolf
how is fleta 5$ and profit 3$
balmy wolf
profit has only looked bad in the charge game imo
sullen berry
after we got like domed by some top 10 OD team
@past spoke you've actually sent this dude to liquipedia discord to make it official wut
balmy wolf
it was me
round obsidian
who's next though? which team needs a MT :^) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKU0YDnXsAEfhSf?format=jpg&name=small
sullen berry
that post has been around for a while, just take it as speculation
balmy wolf
it was a joke
round obsidian
you spelled it right the first time
balmy wolf
@round obsidian discord said it was gullible
balmy wolf
nah
worn falcon
@karmic grotto Fissure to Outlaws pl0x
worn falcon
Drop muma
worn falcon
Outlaws stonks 📈
balmy wolf
idk
karmic grotto
oh no
tropic herald
Wiat
karmic grotto
pls
balmy wolf
Fissure to Justice
Roar to Outlaws
karmic grotto
not the outlaws
tropic herald
You know what MS is benched?
karmic grotto
not a titans reunion
tropic herald
That Vancouver could pick up
past spoke
fissure meko would be goated
balmy wolf
who
tropic herald
HarryHook
past spoke
who :)
tropic herald
balmy wolf
no
worn falcon
fissure, Meko, Jecse, Rapel and any of the DPS
karmic grotto
isn't meko aggro?
worn falcon
you can see stonks 📈
balmy wolf
didnt harry retire?
round obsidian
HarryH
k
tropic herald
No
karmic grotto
calls them marketing players despite never playing and not having social media presence
tropic herald
F for Geguri she has to compete with Void
tropic herald
She’s not bad
balmy wolf
shes not great either
tropic herald
But Void is legit cracked
barren quest
Geguri is just there
round obsidian
that's the problem, she's just kinda average
tropic herald
And you can argue Void being the best OT right now definitely Top 3
round obsidian
T3 for sure but i wouldnt say best
balmy wolf
i wanna see more fury
tropic herald
I can’t believe that Void was so underrated
Now he’s on a good team and it’s really showing how good he is
balmy wolf
he wasnt great on LAG thats why]
round obsidian
cant discount choi either
tropic herald
He had to support Roar
round obsidian
dude is cracced
balmy wolf
his zarya isnt
tropic herald
Roar became washed pretty much as soon as he played in OWL
round obsidian
he's not a zarya player tho
balmy wolf
imo a t3 ot needs to be able to play every ot
round obsidian
and it's definitely top 10 OWL team level
he's no sinatraa on zarya but let's not act like he's some plat either
tropic herald
That’s called Shock playing musical chairs
sullen berry
Hot take: Fissure to the charge
I'd be fine if charge all of a sudden had a team signed for internal scrims and then some @round obsidian
tropic herald
No stability what are you gonna do
round obsidian
2 games isnt a good sample size though
sullen berry
hopeful but doubtful at the same time
round obsidian
charge feels like a team i barely know anything about
round obsidian
also feel like space is criminally underrated
tropic herald
Seominsoo would be good for charge
sullen berry
just look at how much of a slap Titans got - they played 4 matches (2-2)
they kept flexing on them and were indeed making too many slips which is now better understood if you followed the reddit post from OTP
balmy wolf
they beat hunters imo
sullen berry
@round obsidian
tropic herald
The only reason they are so high is bc of playing just 5 games
sullen berry
sullen berry
oh this is about the loss
clear crane
My Take: half the titans releases won’t be signed the rest of this season. I think most teams are just set in stone and running with it
clear crane
I can see SMS, Jjanu, Stich not being signed
tropic herald
Preds
balmy wolf
why cant i send pictures here ...
sullen berry
yeah I saw this posted earlier and anyone that's not following owl is not going to understand that
tropic herald
With corona it’s going to be hard to move players
sullen berry
@balmy wolf regular perms
tropic herald
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sullen berry
^
balmy wolf
:(
sullen berry
when you are eligible is not up to me
balmy wolf
vancouver released the whole roster?
tropic herald
Yep
sullen berry
the whole thing
balmy wolf
dang
tropic herald
Fissure is going to have such a bad time
tropic herald
I feel bad
balmy wolf
fissure was released
the rest "mutually parted"
they really went into a downfall
for releasing fissure, and parting ways with other players
tropic herald
Fissure has some clause in his contract that didn’t let him part from the team
He had to be released
clear crane
So does Higan get the Slur treatment?
balmy wolf
spark
sullen berry
whose izayaki's backup on Shanghai
tropic herald
Referring to Fury not ChipSa lol
tropic herald
They were playing Fury for fan service tbh
They could’ve kept Poko in but chose not to
Twitter
Facts
Read the whole thing
karmic grotto
there still is
however
that requires to NOT play in OWL, but instead become a new team under a new name
and hope to be signed by new season 4 teams
balmy wolf
if there are new S4 teams
clear crane
If there are I hope Busan gets one
balmy wolf
yeh
sullen berry
in terms of making it back at all, worry about stitch and honestly maybe twilight. stitch has barely been able to play in owl and hitscan is such an oversaturated position, and pretty much every team in the league has a trustworthy flex support. even Boston has myunbong - Evan belvins, OWL Podcast host
clear crane
I’ll also take the Pyongyang Rockets
sullen berry
yeah stitch is cut out alright and pretty vulnerable
karmic grotto
the support role is kinda filled
worn falcon
Runaway Valorant team then
tropic herald
There’s some bad tanks in owl
That fissure should be able to replace any of easily
sullen berry
and the tank situation is nonexistent
jjanu will find one, no doubt. That's not what he's pointing at as the biggest losers of the fallout of this roster
balmy wolf
Lol are titans really picking up second wind?
karmic grotto
i heard about spark to replace krystal
tropic herald
Yes
balmy wolf
Coluge in OWL lol
sullen berry
best fit, would it work though
tropic herald
I hope Twilight gets signed to NY
swift moth
ny have jjonak
karmic grotto
why?
swift moth
I dont see why they would sign him
tropic herald
Sign him so other teams can’t
balmy wolf
Weird timeline were in @sullen berry
swift moth
like twitter man said, lots of teams have good flex supports
sullen berry
it's a shame we don't have this much engagement at all hours regularly.
swift moth
no team that I can think of needs twilight
swift moth
I think some teams need a fissure
tropic herald
Fissure will get signed
balmy wolf
He's taking a break
barren quest
Fissure should go to Outlaws
balmy wolf
No
hot heart
Eh
hot heart
Yeah
And the dude isnt bad at all
Like he could do well if he was given the chance
Hero pools changes the meta alot
So hitscans are becoming more important
4head
digital cloud
dang, I missed a lot taking my exam lol
can't believe Titans are dead
how could they do this to Runaway
balmy wolf
because shit management
swift moth
i dont think management cared about the runaway core
vestal mortar
I just saw the news.. 😭
weak bolt
It's sad for Runaway, but I think the players are better off without that Titans org
limber pine
Why?
weak bolt
Because if you're org is willing to ignore your whole teams desires, for the sake of playing in a different region in the middle of a pandemic, they don't care about you as a player
worn falcon
there is this from team manager and translator from Mayhem https://i.imgur.com/QHl1BB7.png
and i agree, we didnt get content from Vanc, all the hype came from some fans
and the players
but from the org was pure mutism
weak bolt
Yep it seems the org is awful. If that is true they didn't have a translator for first 1/2 of a year in NA, that's ridiculous
Why they didn't just throw enough money to keep Flowervin involved I don't know
worn falcon
at the start they could have hyped Fissure like being the badass or something, but nope
came from fans and internet posters
weak bolt
Signing fan favourite Jehong, and doing no content around it seems bizarre
worn falcon
you get NYXL/SFS/Mayhem throwing banter, NYXL doing the Echo stuff, Outlaws and Dallas their matches, the chinese teams getting some animations
tropic herald
And you got the Valiant Simps
worn falcon
is either simp or being simped
limber pine
Who said Vancouver was ignoring their requests?
Their press release literally says the opposite
balmy wolf
Did no read either side of it?
Its not entirely the orgs fault. Just natural disagreements imo
limber pine
I’m only aware of an official announcement from the team. Nothing from the players or coaches.
Please link me if they have
balmy wolf
I don't think players are gonna unless they retired from the league for good
Jehong mentioned he would give his side when's done with the league i believe.
limber pine
And that’s fine. My point is that it’s not unreasonable to think what the team is saying is true.
Also not unreasonable to think there’s more to the story
swift moth
I don't think an owl team would suddenly have 0 members without warning (not counting leaks) unless shit went wrong
limber pine
And I agree, especially given prior reported friction with Bumper’s release.
swift moth
this is probably the funniest part of vancoovers "message to the fans":
With the organization unable to meet the players expectations in Korea, and after much deliberation and conversation with the players, the difficult decision was made to move the team back to the North American division and both the players and management agreed that finding a new home for the players would be in everyone’s best interest.
The following players/staff have since agreed to mutually part ways with the team:
limber pine
The pandemic and the action against fighting it change daily. My job is changing its procedures constantly. It’s plausible Vancouver let them go over to Korea thinking things would turn out differently.
swift moth
what's amusing tho is how hard they are trying to sugarcoat them dropping their entire roster. They are trying to make it seem like the management was doing everything well and the players were on board but then suddenly all left
also all players mutually agreed to leave except fissure who was released
weird that they give fissure a different reason for leaving then the rest of the team
worn falcon
Jehong said he was stressed on Vanc on stream
balmy wolf
Jjanu also said he was free when he left ..
worn falcon
they cant speak about the team for the reasons mentioned above, unless they retires for good.
swift moth
I guess we have to wait and see if anyone on the titans moves to valorant
balmy wolf
like almost all fps games i doubt it
limber pine
Fissure has a stipulation in his contract that says he couldn’t leave
balmy wolf
whats a stipulation
limber pine
It’s just semantics
swift moth
ah
balmy wolf
what are semantics
limber pine
Something in his contract
Verbiage in his contract that said he wouldn’t leave the team
swift moth
lawyer shit
balmy wolf
ah
worn falcon
Well PR stuff
next mesa
its just so sad that they wont be playing togehter again
balmy wolf
lmao titans just lying in their statement
@next mesa they aren't gonna admit to their management being shit so
karmic grotto
Something interesting about custas ama
He doesn't know what the roster will look like. Not that he intends to leak, but to could be that he really doesn't know
Like, when halo said "sourced said..."
But turned out to be way different that we all thought
balmy wolf
Im thinking second wind with 2 players from third impact
Since multiple players ok 2nd wind are underage
Either way if the sources are true from espn, this is a decent team.
gaunt acorn
mediocre
jagged crater
did titans players have dispute with eachother or with management?
gaunt acorn
with management
jagged crater
so good to know they still good friends
even tho they'll have to split if they plan on playing in OWL
tropic herald
balmy wolf
ik shock will be no1 for 4-0s
whos 2nd
nyxl?
probs NY
since their regular season records are pretty clean
raw ermine
cause they have been in the league a season before
balmy wolf
I mean all three teams had insane records for the most part
NY could've won 3 stage titles
wintry kraken
i wonder if this means Boston is not going to be last
balmy wolf
Shock were 2 maps away from winning every stage title in season 2
titans were so close to have a perfect regular season record
but got unluckly and faced a new valiant, justice, and shock
jagged crater
why is phily so nuts, have they been playing against bad teams only?
balmy wolf
for the most part, but their still top tier
they kind of have a problem at getting so many maps 5 but at least they have a clutch factor
gaunt acorn
Twitter
ex-titans players contractually barred from being able to find new teams this season?
worn falcon
only move to T2?
weak bolt
Seems strange, I can't imagine players ever agreeing to that. But I guess it would kind of tie in with Jehong saying he's taking a break for a bit but not retiring
worn falcon
that part is odd because then i dont understand why some from Vanc went LFT OWL
balmy wolf
I imagine they'll get signed and will wait for the next season to play
tropic herald
That seems wrong
weak bolt
yeah the haskal's tweet is literally "LFT OWL"
worn falcon
the whole thread is interesting tho
balmy wolf
pros really do like the game their playing for the most part
weak bolt
CS:GO wasn't that big in Korea so that type of game is less of interest
balmy wolf
fps in general is that not big in Korea
balmy wolf
yea thats a regional game I believe
weak bolt
I think most would agree the management of first few weeks of OWL has been bad, but it sure beats cancelling the whole thing entirely due to covid. They're improving it pretty quick with these tournaments etc.
balmy wolf
I mean what do you expect
I keep hearing from every esports that most tournaments rn are pretty bad
with ping and all
weak bolt
Yeah not sure what people expect. What would they rather do, cancel everything for a year at least?
balmy wolf
Online games are easy in short runs, but trying to transition lan games fully into online and expecting the same quality is just outlandish to say the least.
balmy wolf
I think the tweet mention how most of the players are only looking for full KR teams
weak bolt
He'd have to learn English very quick, or Atlanta would have to ditch arguably their 2 best players
hot heart
Wait titans players cant find teams in OWL For the rest of the season????
weak bolt
Rumour has it yes
balmy wolf
who knows
hot heart
What in the fuck did they agree to
weak bolt
Like most stuff, we're going off speculation
tropic herald
The tweet says the all Korean teams aren’t looking for Titans
Not that the players are looking for full Korean teams
weak bolt
My suspicion is they probably can't join teams for free, but if they join another team there is a payment made to Titans or something.
weak bolt
Yeah Fissure was a weird case, as he had in his contract he wasn't allow to leave
worn falcon
@gaunt acorn this is the Wolf article?
hot heart
Thats an F
weak bolt
I think Fissure asked for it in his own contract in the first place, to stop himself walking away mid season or something
tropic herald
Where is this from?
weak bolt
"He has apparently added a stipulation in his contract of his own volition regarding that he can not leave the team pre-emptively. So while they may kick him out you can expect he wont ever quit."
Fissure & Jehong both say they're taking a break for a bit, but not retired. I wonder is a bit = end of season
weak bolt
On his stream apparantly
balmy wolf
probs a safeguard for titans so that they didnt have to worry about the MT slot
raw ermine
ah
weak bolt
It was Fissures request for that clause
Not titans
He wanted to be able to give teams an assurance he couldn't just walk away
balmy wolf
funny how that turned out
worn falcon
Hope some org buys the slot from titans, thats so many shitty moves.
balmy wolf
so if fissure gets picked later on, then he would be on his 5th team then?
weak bolt
Titans will pick up a new cheap roster and continue
yep, would be team #5 if he joins someone new
balmy wolf
actual jersey collector
weak bolt
If these rumours are true though of Titans players not being able to be signed, thats really shit for OWL
worn falcon
I feel Vanc is gonna be the org to avoid, but if they offer money and good contract stay, then move to another team or something.
weak bolt
T2 players will jump at any owl spot I'm sure. It's guaranteed work and a chance to perform on the biggest OW stage
balmy wolf
vancouvers org already has massive money problems so in reality their gonna keep this roster for the future onwards
weak bolt
Yeah to me it's damage limitation now. Get any roster you can to last the season out, and then hope someone buys your spot, or run away....
dapper shoal
RIP Vancouver
balmy wolf
I dont think orgs can just give up their slot
they have to stay with it for a certain period of time
weak bolt
No idea how long they are contractually signed up for, this year would be year 2, I can't imagine it'd be much more than 2 years at a time
balmy wolf
outlaws parent company went bankrupt
weak bolt
They can sell their spot (Or basically the Titan's team), but whether they could just walk away, idk
balmy wolf
i still think they have to wait until their allow to sell the spot
weak bolt
I just hope the rumour is false about the ex-titan players. But I imagine it is true. Titans likely tried to sell those players hard, and failed so closed the loophole of them just leaving for free
worn falcon
At least Jehong is trying to be positive https://twitter.com/ryujehongsexy/status/1258104511731625996?s=20
Twitter
supple prism
and then Second Wind folds?
sullen berry
hi
dry mesa
Are they going to be able to even play their match this sat
tropic herald
Should be
sullen berry
they already have a 6 player roster going on
but so far multiple sources are sticking to second wind being picked up
tropic herald
What’s y’all takes on Higan/Coluge?
sullen berry
idk NA contenders players to have an opinion
dry mesa
well they are lucky they are going against justice
tropic herald
Not necessarily how good of a player he is but more so his past..
dry mesa
where is 2nd wind located?
tropic herald
North America
dry mesa
they gonna fly them into Vancouver at their facility?
sullen berry
Are they going to be able to even play their match this sat
@dry mesa washington and florida bringing the mayhem poggers
prolly not
dry mesa
they made it seem like that was important to them with their letter the fans
gaunt acorn
@dry mesa they are all located in north america
with covid19 restrictions it's up in the air whether they will relocate them to vancouver immediately
balmy wolf
well their in NA regardless so ping is not an issue
dry mesa
imagine setting up all that hardware in time tho
sullen berry
and if they have been doing scrims already, best case scenario they're being deceptive about their synergy
balmy wolf
I mean second win did contenders week 1 against envy
dry mesa
...
tropic herald
It’s still an adjustment
balmy wolf
not a big one tho
balmy wolf
any news?
tropic herald
Don’t quote me on this but they were getting rolled in scrims
balmy wolf
second wind?
tropic herald
The players that Vancouver is looking to sign
Not all are second wind
Just happens to be a core
balmy wolf
obviously
second wind has like 3 underage players
who knows maybe they beat justice and lose to mayhem afterwards
balmy wolf
their last 2 wins were against boston
tropic herald
True
balmy wolf
thats not really a benchmark for success
tropic herald
But even then they’ve just been looking better even in other matches
The fact they shut out Paris was a nice touch
past spoke
titans having a successful season is insanely unlikely
the games will most likely be a dumpsterfire
true hound
how is Second Wind as a team
Aren’t they #1 in contenders?
I mean they’ll probably be better than Boston
raw ermine
they won last week
past spoke
last week??
past spoke
yeah but that was free
seeding was dogshit lole
theyre fine probably but i would not say they are OWL level talent
balmy wolf
bottom 5 100%
sullen berry
doubtful
balmy wolf
SW are not OWL capable at all
theyd have to get some hard carrys to fill the other remaining spots
sullen berry
Season 3 bottom standings:
Vancouver Titans 2-?? (lost 2 of 4 matches)
Washington Justice 
2-?? (9/11 matches)
Boston Uprising 1-?? (9/10 matches)
balmy wolf
Who was bostons win vs?
oh yeh
outlaws
the 8 game shithouse
they should be 0-10
sullen berry
if you hadn't figured it out, go watch the vod
it's 7 maps actually
one more
and they would have run out of maps - bet my money this is the greatest regular season match of all time
LMFAO
raw ermine
I got 95%
182/191
not bad
I missed
||Greyy
karayan
UNkoe
Trill
Wya
Paintbrush
Lateyoung
Clestyn
Fuze||
gaunt acorn
worn falcon
oh
this It's been a while since I've looked at DCInside but what's all this talk about how we won't get paid? And what's this bullshit about how we made a fuss about going to Korea?
raw ermine
at least he isn't going to Valorant
tropic herald
He said he might
worn falcon
@raw ermine If I get an offer from a good team I'll take it. If not I'm thinking about moving on to a different game (LoL or Valorant)
raw ermine
he will get a good offer tho
tropic herald
supple prism
thats got to be the stupidest thing that anyone is allowed to do. prevent players that were released with no pay for the rest of the season and not allowed to play with another OWL team.
limber pine
Most of the players posted LFTs.