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#esports-discussion
neat canopy
raw ermine
yikes
neat canopy
mcgravy is the best
digital cloud
Atlanta falling apart
neat canopy
ksp and lastro are fairly middle of the pack
clear crane
in terms of their roles?
neat canopy
yeah
clear crane
i wud say the same for mcgravy as well
neat canopy
i think hes top of the middle but i get that
weak bolt
Question is Lastro/Rain vs Dogman/Masaa, which would you rather have lol
neat canopy
off tank is just talented
clear crane
i can agree with that
neat canopy
dogman/masaa just so dogman can flame
weak bolt
The flame can be comboed with feed though
rugged yacht
i thot both teams were bad but... this is something
weak bolt
Atlanta look good at double shield/slow comps, not sure if the quick/dive comps work for them yet
clear crane
Atlanta should be winning this easy... hmm
rugged yacht
Lastro apparently said its game time
neat canopy
hawk and gator are important to atlanta and gator cant play monkey and they come as a pair
dude this aint mid 2019 dogman is good now
he got so much better
weak bolt
Last few games dogman has fed quite hard
neat canopy
actually yeah
weak bolt
Dying first on a regular basis, bad positioning
neat canopy
hes been going for stupid shit
weak bolt
Yeah, if he goes back to basics should be good
raw ermine
Valiant did well tho
rugged yacht
i am so confused by this match
weak bolt
The observing of this match has been hard to follow imo. It was better on asian games
digital cloud
ok, that looked shaky
neat canopy
asian games are the better ones easily
rugged yacht
this game was shaky for a minute
neat canopy
europe is best cus you can watch both easily
rugged yacht
Lastro can't carry the entire team apparently
neat canopy
europe gang
lastro isnt amazing i swear
hes worse than masaa easily, hes just above average
rugged yacht
he's better than his team tho
weak bolt
I'm confused if running tracer, isn't Edison better than Erster?
clear crane
dont think they running tracer exclusively
neat canopy
erster is a very good mei im an idiot
rugged yacht
well the match isn't a sleep fest at the least
neat canopy
what did i say
rugged yacht
explains his ult charge
clear crane
Dogman is 6th on that list tho haha
neat canopy
ofc he is
neat canopy
Dogman
KRUISE IS A FEEDER
weak bolt
There we go, called it
rugged yacht
there he is
clear crane
oof
neat canopy
thank you now get it out of my face
clear crane
Halsey is hot
weak bolt
So is Mcgravy
clear crane
tho she has more tatoos den i like
neat canopy
i swear
rugged yacht
subjective
weak bolt
For now anyway, maybe others will pick it up long term
clear crane
Is this Apply's first game? as a VAL?
weak bolt
I hope Houston try to run Rein into SF, so we can see Rascal hit 3x shatters on Muma
weak bolt
He got boomed by Nero
clear crane
this beam is insanely strong
barren quest
Dynasty got fucked by the Charge
weak bolt
I think the beam will end up nerfed a bit, it does seem a bit too strong
clear crane
maybe just not 2x damage under half hp
rugged yacht
nah it's situational enuf to not work all the time
weak bolt
Maybe leave it strong against shields, but reduce it vs normal hp
clear crane
FRD got nuked
rugged yacht
besides they still haven't nerfed ashe's dynamite and you can argue the beam is like that
weak bolt
Dynamite is no where near as strong, you can easily out heal it
rugged yacht
same for the beam
weak bolt
Beam is like 100dps under 50%
barren quest
It's 200dps
clear crane
o wo wzarya
rugged yacht
sym does how much at max beam?
weak bolt
Sorry yeah its 200 isn't it. 50 base, 4x under 50%
barren quest
180
clear crane
thats insane
clear crane
u need to charge up as sym
weak bolt
Sym doesn't have a long range attack, sticky bombs and able to fly too :p
rapid locust
yee
it looks like the team with the best echo ult utilization is the team that wins
rugged yacht
her beam the same length and almost does the same damage w/ the right situation
barren quest
Sym's range is shorter
neat canopy
also symm has really low mobility and also cant just crank it up at will
symm does not need a nerf
rugged yacht
at best they nerf the range
weak bolt
It's a tough one though, as outside of GM+, it's likely not that powerful
rapid locust
what's the good counter play against sym in close range?
weak bolt
Shoot her in the face because all she can do is run at you
barren quest
Winston counters Sym
neat canopy
just go fast
neat canopy
just beat symm by not letting her charge up or ignoring the turrets
clear crane
so is next week's hero pools just based off of masters+ and OWL pick rates?
rugged yacht
can syms beam be as long as zarya's
neat canopy
just owl
weak bolt
Just owl picks
clear crane
oh even ebtter
weak bolt
and the pools apply to OWL, GM & Master
neat canopy
not next week though
clear crane
o that tourney is happening
tropic herald
neat canopy
no bans on ladder at all next week because they need a patch
clear crane
they need 3 more players if they pick up Doge
weak bolt
Are team doge all of age for owl?
neat canopy
so they just have a week of apparently
weak bolt
Oh god, OGE vs Ojee would be fun for casters
clear crane
titans about to finish the season undefeated
weak bolt
Wonder if the titans players threw their last 2 games in protest lol
clear crane
wow that was a yeet grav
weak bolt
Edison on tracer doing so much more
neat canopy
fun fact: FRD stands for Fried Dick
edison is the better tracer but they needed erster for the mei on control
also the fact that reign can pull of the monkey zarya is impressive
its such a hard comp to run
rugged yacht
I'm ready for the final match today
clear crane
Let us see the Sinatraa skin already plzzzz
clear crane
nahh we got tat
neat canopy
lmao he leaves then skin comes out
raw ermine
not again
clear crane
oof
raw ermine
LA Valorant
rapid locust
hahaha
weak bolt
LAV doing better than I expected tbf. Everyone at start of season had them at like #19/#20, and ATL at top 5. It's not been a total stomp
clear crane
I still think they are down there
barren quest
LAV vs LAG was a weird series
rugged yacht
Are florida mayhem failling this bad, cause valiant seems to want to take their place
clear crane
Maybe depending on where titans become tho
neat canopy
this is better for valiant, i dont think atlanta are worse than we thought it could of just been a bad map and they needed to work out the comp with pokpo
florida are good
weak bolt
LAV don't look like they are as bad as Justice/Boston though, and I think they took Gladiators all the way
clear crane
Florida looked good against Paris but Paris isnt at full strength
neat canopy
i dont know why so many people have them so low, theyre middling
clear crane
and ima just throw out the game against Boston cause its them
neat canopy
florida looked good in every game
the boston game can be taken into account because of how dominant
weak bolt
Yeah Florida are probably 12-16, depending on how the chinese teams would come in
neat canopy
if they were 17th the game wouldnt of been the fastest in owl history
i said from the start that their backline is really good for them
clear crane
If we have LAV vs Atl, we should be able to see SF vs PHI soon
although idk if atl is in Cali rn
weak bolt
SF vs Phi probably end up in the end of may Tourney
rugged yacht
how much longer till seoul is finally put in their place
weak bolt
Seoul looked awful last week and today
clear crane
They already in their place
rugged yacht
5th?
clear crane
I think Seoul is in the 5-10 range
idle beacon
@rugged yacht 3th ?
weak bolt
I'm not sure I'd even put Dynasty 5th atm, hard to know. 5-10th is probably fair
rugged yacht
7-12th at best
clear crane
Also i would give it a week or so 2 to see how teams work with Echo
hot heart
TorontoDefiant Toronto Defiant have announced the signing of Kruise: https://twitter.com/TorontoDefiant/status/1256584782466691077
idle beacon
what are the other games?
hot heart
???????
weak bolt
They signed Kruise this morning yeah, to replace Kellex
neat canopy
kruise is an upgrade and perfect for them
clear crane
Paris signed someone else
hot heart
Who?
neat canopy
paris wernt gonna use him
hot heart
Welp
weak bolt
Paris don't need him, they have FDGod
hot heart
I guess this is cool
idle beacon
where can i see the schedule? .. crap yt aint as good as twitch
clear crane
no one was gonna play over FDGod anyways
weak bolt
Fielder looks like a replacement for Hyp
hot heart
I guess thats good then
idle beacon
SHD have beaten nyxl? 😄
clear crane
Reverse Sweep
rugged yacht
nah
neat canopy
i swear people are just hating on yt because their obsessed with twitch
idle beacon
damn.. need to watch that match
neat canopy
it was interesting
idle beacon
im not obsessed with twitch. twitch just had some more options
neat canopy
nyxl running anti dive comps then shanghai adapted
clear crane
I just want my token drops. idc twitch or YT lol
neat canopy
token drops is it for me yh
weak bolt
Youtube has far nicer vods, nice when the matches are all different times
neat canopy
yt is also more accessible to more people
weak bolt
yeah drops coming 'soon' if you watch via the OWL website i think. Not via YT yet
clear crane
wtf
hot heart
Idrc
neat canopy
and its easy to find everything, all the production stuff was on yt already so putting it together also makes sense
hot heart
As long as their is a way to get those sweet sweet tokens
neat canopy
yeah it doesnt matter really where it is
clear crane
titans got 7 days to make all their announcements
hot heart
Oof@clear crane
weak bolt
"I’m excited to share that we are a few weeks away from bringing back token drops for watching on overwatchleague.com and our mobile app. Viewership rewards on YouTube’s platform are still being worked on, but we’re excited to have some form of viewership incentives for fans very soon."
hot heart
Imagine dropping most of their roster
neat canopy
who leaked the roster getting dropped?
hot heart
No one did
neat canopy
well not dropped but leaving
clear crane
at this point its prob safe to assume
weak bolt
Surely that 7 days has to include League approval for signings too? Ouch
hot heart
But its just speculation
neat canopy
there were leaks somewhere
neat canopy
this has been happening for awhile so it should be sorted and for this exceptions would be made
clear crane
otherwise i dont think the league would risk just putting them on the schedule for next saturday
weak bolt
True
clear crane
I really do wonder what the internal issue was
I can't see it being about money. The owners are stupid rich
neat canopy
how the fuck do you think they became rich
if you made yourself rich you have to be greedy with money and step on people
but yeah we have no idea and an answer would be sweet
clear crane
The owners own like 7 professional teams. Titans prob are not even .1% of their portfolio
neat canopy
apparently jaws knows so its just not in the public eye
yeah they are 1% but it doesnt change how money is generally dealt with
we dont know what it is and there isnt an answer we have so we wait i guess
no point speculating when it wont get us anywhere
clear crane
just saying given their history of free spending in the national hockey league, i just think its a different issue
weak bolt
I don't think we'll ever see official reasoning. It wouldn't surprise me if old players were asked to sign NDAs as part of parting ways
neat canopy
i think it will come to light as one of the casters said they knew so it isnt just the org that knows
clear crane
lmfao
weak bolt
1:15 down from 5 mins isn't too bad I guess
neat canopy
id be happy on both sides
i think atlanta are playing zarya because they expect echo so they can deny the beam
clear crane
uh wtf
neat canopy
this doesnt go here
mint turtle
raw ermine
damn shax
idle beacon
fck valiant -.-
weak bolt
Shax destroying Edison in the tracer match up there
neat canopy
its been awhile since this was used
before today i cant remember the last time i saw orisa hog
ive missed a few though
idle beacon
whats up with geguri?
neat canopy
geguri is never played
idle beacon
why
clear crane
Void is a god
idle beacon
BLASPHEMY!
neat canopy
your still in 2018 luv
idle beacon
best zarya .. after sinaatra
neat canopy
first thing
idle beacon
wait.. what? luv?
idle beacon
we actually never saw geguri on zarya. so how do you know she's shit on zarya
weak bolt
If she's not played at all, she's not the best option on the team, end of
neat canopy
void is a better sig, dva, hog and zarya
idle beacon
declining that she's best zarya after sinaatra tells me your opinion about her zarya 😛
neat canopy
because she isnt
clear crane
dammit Popko
neat canopy
because shes a women
neat canopy
straight up she looks good for the team and shes a popular streamer
clear crane
yea
weak bolt
She was signed as S1 SHD were awful and she was an upgrade, after that she's a popular streamer and good PR
neat canopy
my god your knowledge is really old
clear crane
pretty much why shes not getting let go
idle beacon
ye, stopped following OWL in 2018
neat canopy
everything has changed
weak bolt
OWL 2018 is like a totally different game vs 2020
neat canopy
owl 2018 lvl of play was soo much lower
idle beacon
or early 2019. but it's a pretty while ago now
weak bolt
Worse game play, no role locks, and many other heroes not in play
neat canopy
its not even relevant
weak bolt
Goats was 3/4 of 2019 season basically
neat canopy
being a good zarya in 2018 doesnt mean anything, by that logic spree is in the argument for best zarya but he is no where near it
half a week in more or less
so feb
neat canopy
spree
idle beacon
oh
neat canopy
my dude read the thing
idle beacon
i hate houston
weak bolt
Saying Geguri is #2 zarya is like saying Mickie is #2 Dva honestly
neat canopy
yep
idle beacon
if i listen to the blabla of before she was signed .. people were saying she was an insane zarya.
anyway .. i love sinaatra's zarya the most.
mickie
neat canopy
that was 2018 same thing stands and also, zarya has never been used by off tanks in league apart from off maps, that was just because of her tracking btw nothing to do with her being better, also no one else played zarya because it was a waste of time
idle beacon
he still playin?
neat canopy
no
weak bolt
No, because he is no where near good enough for OWL
idle beacon
he's completly gone?
idle beacon
wtf eh
neat canopy
he was signed last year but not played once
clear crane
These emps have done zippppp
weak bolt
The majority of S1 players are gone really. A lot of them were washed up and replaced with better players
clear crane
NYXL is most stable team
idle beacon
nyxl is still the same damn setup
neat canopy
sort of
weak bolt
Some of them sure, not all
idle beacon
carpe gone? noway??
raw ermine
Jjonak, Mano, Libero, SBB
neat canopy
i should of been specific there
clear crane
They have gone through the least changes
weak bolt
nyxl have 5 of original roster, think thats it
clear crane
over the course of 2.5 seasons
idle beacon
and the israely dude? equ or so?
neat canopy
eqo is still here
weak bolt
Eqo in league, but hasn't really played all season
neat canopy
not played though
idle beacon
snillo gone?
weak bolt
yes
idle beacon
was it snillo?
idle beacon
ye, time to dig out liquipedia again
i cant remember the name of that one dps dude of valiant
he didnt play today
he gone aswell?
idle beacon
lol
clear crane
take ur guess
weak bolt
Valiant is a whole new team vs Season 1/2
neat canopy
when we say 2018 is nothing like 2020 we mean it
nyxl is the only one that looks remotely similar
i guess shock to some extent
weak bolt
Nyxl is pretty similar, shock has bits. Dynasty is basically London 2.0
weak bolt
Philly has some players from S1, but they are benched mainly
clear crane
Legssss
neat canopy
houston to some extent but bench warmers really
same will dallas
and glads still has their backline but thats it i think
idle beacon
oh damn, sinaatra is gone already?
neat canopy
your really not keeping track
idle beacon
i heard the news about him going full valorant. but valorant isn't even live yet
weak bolt
yes Sinatraa is gone, not coming back
neat canopy
its nothing to do with valorant, its more role q killed ow for him
idle beacon
wasn't Ado in the OWL before?
neat canopy
still is
raw ermine
damn
barren quest
5 map series pog
neat canopy
wait no
raw ermine
Ado was Shanghai season 1
clear crane
Hes on HZ
raw ermine
season 2 Washington
neat canopy
yeah he is
idle beacon
liquipedia says ado came from no team to sparks
raw ermine
season 3 HZS
clear crane
get out Sharp
neat canopy
that means he was dropped and then was FA for a bit then was picked up i guess
vale pond
bruh why is atl playing subs
silk frost
he was FA yeah
idle beacon
kodak also fa .. damn alot of trades been going on.
clear crane
Gator is only Rein lol
rugged yacht
valiant is still playing?
vale pond
atl coaches are throwing now its 2-2
vale pond
shouldve been a simple 3-0/3-1
neat canopy
ATL doesnt have subs, all their players have a place on their roster
vale pond
they're subbing in the wrong players at the wrong time
silk frost
they're playing their best lineup, it's just Valiant are outplaying the best lineup
neat canopy
not really, cant play gator or hawk this week so it makes sense
silk frost
bc atlanta isn't that good
weak bolt
Valiant have just adapted to the Atl comps and are now winning
vale pond
atl is a far better team than val
clear crane
in theory
silk frost
Congrats atlanta fans, you're finally seeing that they've been overhyped
weak bolt
Val stopped trying to force the mirror and are playing Ashe/Tracer and its working
rugged yacht
this is wrong
silk frost
Avast the idiot got your hopes up I'm here to smack them down to hell
vale pond
that is just false
neat canopy
my dude
weak bolt
Atl are definitely overhyped
silk frost
they're only good at double barrier
vale pond
why are they trying to force dive tf
neat canopy
and rein dva
neat canopy
because dive is meta
silk frost
they're only GOOD at double barrier
silk frost
hard disagree tbh
idle beacon
i think i'll be testing valorant. ow dead for me
vale pond
they have the rein who invented goats
weak bolt
Even their Rein dva wasn't great. They look best by far on double shield
silk frost
yeah and Miro invented dive
barren quest
Weird Reign was running Winston/Zarya
neat canopy
double shield is best
silk frost
is he still in OWL?
neat canopy
miro
vale pond
the point is that his rein isnt horrendous
silk frost
no Miro was the OG dive king
neat canopy
i wasnt around for that
idle beacon
fissure 😛
silk frost
Lunatik Hai
weak bolt
Miro was the OG winston
silk frost
Lunatic*
clear crane
Lunatic Hai perfected dive
idle beacon
the arrogant fissure was the most aggresive and smartest dive monkey ..
silk frost
nah back in s1 it was either Gesture or Mano
idle beacon
most aggresive and smartest. not best 🙂
idle beacon
who was the dude on SHD last year?
neat canopy
he wasnt smartest
weak bolt
Taimou was S1 #1 Winston clearly
neat canopy
gamsu
silk frost
Bumper ended up being most aggresive, Mano was smartest, Guxue is best
vale pond
gamsu?
idle beacon
which left SHD after 1 season
vale pond
bumpers rein rip
idle beacon
he was also a proper winston
silk frost
Fearless?
idle beacon
no i mean gamsu
vale pond
mei reaper istg this had better work
idle beacon
the one with the glasses on
neat canopy
gamsu
clear crane
Sharp has not looked good at all last 2 maps
vale pond
wtf is this comp
silk frost
Atlanta is a top 5 team at double barrier (maybe even higher), they're fine enough at rein comps, but their dive is pepega
neat canopy
monkey zarya is a good comp just really fucking hard to pull off
weak bolt
Its the comp that won them map 1 & 2, before LAV adapted
neat canopy
their top half but not top 5
silk frost
I mean I can't think of 5 teams that could beat them at that comp
clear crane
Sharp needs to get off Echo
silk frost
Philly, Seoul, that's all off the top of myhead
vale pond
who the fuck ok'ed this comp
neat canopy
philly did, seoul
vale pond
echo monkey zarya
neat canopy
THIS COMP IS GOOD JUST HARD
weak bolt
Atl are top 5 on Orisa/Sigma slow comps, but on anything with speed/dive, they're top 10 at best
silk frost
GZC or NYXL could do this comp well
neat canopy
its the better comp but so hard to pull of its not used often
vale pond
jesus
neat canopy
it needs to be perfect because if one bubble goes wrong your fucked
clear crane
ATL is getting dunked on
idle beacon
what the actual fk is reign doin?
vale pond
throwing
neat canopy
they should be on brawl ngl
vale pond
what a massive throw
silk frost
smol is a tilted atlanta fan that doesn't realize they aren't top 5 yet
clear crane
Dogman Lucio lmaooo
idle beacon
omg
neat canopy
atl are playing dive with the plan on pocketing sharp but sharp isnt delivering
idle beacon
fuck you atlanta
neat canopy
they need to get of dive
neat canopy
i didnt realise that
barren quest
Hmm looks like we got another reverse sweep today
neat canopy
ok good
silk frost
oh my god
neat canopy
thats a bit excessive
clear crane
This is happening wow
weak bolt
Masaa on brig is an issue for Atl imo, they play better with him on Lucio
neat canopy
i think ATL have got a bad week i really do
barren quest
Idk why Reign was running Winston Zarya
vale pond
finally
neat canopy
for the same reason they ran the brig
to pocket sharp
they were treating echo like a doom
vale pond
thats way too risky
weak bolt
Yeah the Echo hasn't worked since LAV swapped to Ashe
vale pond
echo is broken in ladder not in owl
idle beacon
insane how they ignore ashe and tracer
silk frost
she's a good DPS in OWL
vale pond
this is such a massive choke
neat canopy
echo is more or less staple this week
vale pond
I said broken not good
neat canopy
doom isnt broken either
karmic grotto
Let's go Houston
weak bolt
Echo is very good in Owl, but when you've got KSP on Ashe popping your head, it's not gonna work
silk frost
atl isn't choking
neat canopy
yet you always run zarya with him
idle beacon
doom not broken?
rugged yacht
ATL will still have good standing rank wise after this match win or lose.
silk frost
it was good halftime coaching from Packing10 the god
neat canopy
doom is not broken
idle beacon
doom is the most dumbest hero they've invented
neat canopy
my god are you good
silk frost
Doom isn't broken unless you mean his bugs
vale pond
jesus
clear crane
ATL boomed
silk frost
he's very good but not quite broken
clear crane
holy crap lmao
weak bolt
Yeah give LAV the credit imo, they've adapted and its worked. Atl just haven't adapted since
vale pond
wtf are they doing
silk frost
yeah packing10 is the player of the match
vale pond
omfl
weak bolt
LAV dps are hard carrying honestly
outer zenith
You don't always run Zarya with Doom. That's a silly notion.
silk frost
they have all game tbh
neat canopy
packing10 is questionable yes but you still need to understand the thought process
ok
idle beacon
what are the win/loss numbers for both teams?
silk frost
on screen?
idle beacon
nvm, found it
clear crane
Look at the top bro haha
weak bolt
Atl 4-3 before game, LAV 2-6
vale pond
bruh
neat canopy
zarya is only ever ran in brawl when doom is in
raw ermine
omg
silk frost
zarya almost needs doom, doom doesn't need zar
silk frost
yeah Charge and Spark are below London
silk frost
london is 6th in standings
weak bolt
yeah Atl had a much easier set of matches vs LAV
vale pond
what a massive throw
raw ermine
GG
clear crane
wowwwwwwwwwwwwww
raw ermine
wow
neat canopy
they forced dive
clear crane
lmfaoooo
raw ermine
just wow
outer zenith
Shanghai Valiant.
worn falcon
Rip ratlanta
outer zenith
vale pond
throw by the players and an even worse throw by the coaches
weak bolt
LAV played well there, lets give them some credit for adapting from 2-0 down
digital cloud
Atlanta
silk frost
dammn atlanta fans really be getting mad when they lose to a team that isn't top 6
neat canopy
just put hawk and gator in and run double shield or brawl
barren quest
Second reverse sweep today?
neat canopy
im not even a fan
idle beacon
@weak bolt no.. atlanta threw.. period
vale pond
the coaches are so insistent on changing things up
neat canopy
on not changing things up
weak bolt
ATL played the same comp nearly all game, LAV adapted to it, so it's not really a throw
vale pond
that they sub out erster and force dive
hot heart
I guess people just reverse sweeping everyone
vale pond
it was a throw
neat canopy
my guy
idle beacon
come on .. it looked to me like they didn't gave a fk about that tracer
vale pond
100% throw
neat canopy
when they had erster it was a close match
rugged yacht
No one not even the casters predicted this
vale pond
you're not playing boston for fucks sake
neat canopy
ERSTER WAS JUST FOR MEI MY GUY
weak bolt
Sharp played all game, every map
silk frost
I predicted this
weak bolt
Erster was subbed out for Edison
neat canopy
ofc you did
vale pond
@silk frost sure you did
clear crane
dammit Reign
vale pond
why the fuck did sharp play
clear crane
I lost $100 from this game 😦
idle beacon
again.. they really didn't care much about that shax tracer. he done alot of work for val
weak bolt
Probably because he's their best Echo, and they expected Echo meta
hot heart
Oof@clear crane
vale pond
although ngl he wasnt even the problem it was the disconnect from the tanks
idle beacon
also ksp done alot of work, which has been ignored
silk frost
smol is madder than Legacy and Legacy lost money
neat canopy
if you did you are just ignoring past results or had a really good read on how good atl dive was
hot heart
Thats actually sad man
outer zenith
Sharp was in all game, even when they were winning. Don't be delusional.
clear crane
well I made $150 from the SHD reverse sweep so small net profit 😅
vale pond
babybay would have been a better choice or even better erster in the second half
hot heart
Ez
silk frost
it's a profit
weak bolt
LAV adapted and out played them. Atl didn't, and thats it
neat canopy
ATL knew dive was meta so played dive despite being bad
vale pond
LAV is a decent team but not that good
hot heart
Valiant played better
neat canopy
wtf did you want babybay to play
hot heart
Thats about it
vale pond
@neat canopy zero comms
weak bolt
Atl are a decent team at some comps, and awful at others
idle beacon
reign have babybay?
vale pond
it was so messy
hot heart
Idk how ksp is this good
vale pond
brawl
silk frost
the only thing that's reigning is the Valiant after this match
vale pond
basically not dive
idle beacon
and they didnt sub in bbbay? .. haha dumb reign
silk frost
Badlanta reign
clear crane
They were dogshit in GOATs werent they?
neat canopy
@vale pond and you know that because of the backline not getting peeled for was the dps
vale pond
@clear crane they were like consistent #9
neat canopy
but yes
weak bolt
ATL haven't actually beat any decent teams this season. They've only beaten Florida, Toronto, Boston and Washington
clear crane
Boston top tier man
neat canopy
your right actually
silk frost
they beat a cold Florida, before they were good
neat canopy
cold
silk frost
now Florida would beat them omegalul
neat canopy
they were always the way they are
weak bolt
They've lost to Philly 2x and Paris 1x, and now LAV 1x
silk frost
Florida have heated up, that Paris game was nutty
idle beacon
uprising good again?
silk frost
omegalul
neat canopy
florida was always that good, people just underrated them
clear crane
No lul
weak bolt
Until ATL beat a good team, I don't think we can say they threw against LAV :p
neat canopy
my dude you better leave
idle beacon
striker still alive?
clear crane
yea hes a god
neat canopy
on shock
clear crane
just not for them
idle beacon
@neat canopy im not your dude .. ffs
weak bolt
Uprising good in the Jail time per 10 mins Ratio
clear crane
ur about to see striker in the next match haha
silk frost
I don't think Florida was always good, they were waiting for yaki to kinda wake up since he was being clapped by kids, and how he's clapping
outer zenith
Striker is on the Shock now.
neat canopy
could be
idle beacon
ye dude is ok. but not 'my dude' .. we haven't been boozin for 2 days straight, yet 😄
silk frost
my dude it's 2 words don't get mad at it
barren quest
Boston is the best OWL team
neat canopy
im not being insulting
barren quest
/s
clear crane
Striker prob gonna run exclusive tracer next match, unless crusty has some big brain comp
weak bolt
Majority of teams are going to be up & down each week depdning on hero pools. The 'Good' and 'Trash' teams will be that every week
neat canopy
crusty has never been about that
idle beacon
@neat canopy tbh .. its the sp thing .. 'my dude .. im not your dude, my friend. im not your friend, my dude' .. etc pp
outer zenith
Jerry is the best OWL name, that's for sure.
clear crane
whose banned again this week? Ball Widow Mercy?
neat canopy
@idle beacon as i said i dont give a shit, im being chill so i will be chill
weak bolt
Ball Widow Mcree Mercy
barren quest
Jerry needs to be saved out of Boston
silk frost
widow cree again
neat canopy
you need to chill out
clear crane
Ah, so technically ATL had all their best heroes avail
neat canopy
it means shit
clear crane
and still got reverse swept
weak bolt
ATL are doing a houston atm, they are trying to play the 'meta' rather than what they are good at
neat canopy
^^^^^
silk frost
exactly
weak bolt
If they played Gator/Hawk on Orisa/Sigma each week, they'd perform well every week imo
silk frost
honestly
neat canopy
they wernt banned but they wernt meta
clear crane
right like i said they had all their heroes avail. they jsut didnt run it and den lost
barren quest
Houston needs to stick with Hackfist to do well against the Shock rather than play meta
neat canopy
i think their coaches need a change
outer zenith
@barren quest Indeed.
neat canopy
i will always try to understand the decisions they make and try to find the reasoning even if i disagree with it
barren quest
Inb4 Houston reverse sweeps Shock
silk frost
barren quest
Probably won't happen
clear crane
I remember their first
neat canopy
but theyre trying to force the best comp even if its really fucking hard to run
clear crane
against glads season 1
silk frost
I do too
outer zenith
As long as Houston have a decent performance here against the Shock, that's a win.
neat canopy
which is monkey zarya echo, but its soo hard to get right you dont play it because the bonus is so little
clear crane
back wen we had good Fate
silk frost
if they win a MAP, they've improved
weak bolt
Shock should in theory win today, if they just run at Houston with Rein/Lucio
silk frost
they willn't
neat canopy
im not gonna watch cus sleep but i think they aint gonna get much done with the hackfist because shock are just so good at adapting
barren quest
Dallas vs Shock was good
clear crane
Smurf
weak bolt
Smurf
neat canopy
whats supers/smurfs monkey like
silk frost
not good
neat canopy
what do you think of it?
weak bolt
Average at best
silk frost
Muma might actually be a better Winston than what Shock can muster
neat canopy
i dont think shock are going to force meta though, they aint gonna do something funky though
barren quest
Muma wasn't really bad, just his mistakes were really critical
weak bolt
I'd imagine they'll just run at houston with rein/lucio, if its against Doom/sombra they'd just steamroll the tanks
neat canopy
muma has a good monkey and a shit rein
clear crane
if Rascal plays Echo, we will see his 10 second Winston
silk frost
it'll probably be brig zen and they'll get pooped
neat canopy
RASCAL BEST MONKEY
silk frost
rascal >>> Guxue
weak bolt
Rascal Echo could be amazing honestly, but who knows
neat canopy
RASCAL >>> WINSTON
neat canopy
rascals echo is good from od but its od
weak bolt
I think its too early tbh
neat canopy
umm
weak bolt
If I were shock, I'd not go Echo, I'd go with what i'm good at
neat canopy
maybe?
silk frost
STOP AGREEING WITH MY HOT TAKES
neat canopy
if i was shock id shit all over houston
upper niche
Wow. I just woke up, missed the first game or two I guess, crazy amount of news overnight.
outer zenith
Washed? A bit too early to say.
neat canopy
thats why maybe
outer zenith
He's been solid thus far.
neat canopy
he isnt as good as he used to be but if hes washed is another thing
weak bolt
Profit performs best in big games, everything else he's average
outer zenith
So I wouldn't say washed.
clear crane
Profit wont show up till grand finals
neat canopy
hes no longer in argument for best dps
outer zenith
Definitely.
weak bolt
He always has the potential still, bit like Babybay/Linkzr. If they turn up and are on fire, they're near unstoppable
neat canopy
i really really dont like linkzr as a player, just soo inconsistent
silk frost
remember when Linkzr was a top 3 widow
neat canopy
i think ive seen him do well once last yr
weak bolt
Linkzr will go to Valorant I'm pretty sure
outer zenith
There are others who have more consistent high-level performances, but even at his worst, Profit is solid.
neat canopy
hes washed so maybe
silk frost
nah Houston is playing him too much
neat canopy
hes defo on his way out
silk frost
Linkzr has looked reformed this year
weak bolt
He's playing Valorant nearly all the time, with Emongg and others
clear crane
neat canopy
awh
clear crane
so Smurf is starting
weak bolt
Linkzr also has the downside his 2 main heroes keep being banned every other week lol
Rapel & Rawkus? Interesting
neat canopy
that was over the top
carpe couldnt play his heroes
linkzr and profit can
well now they can
outer zenith
Yeah. NOW.
cloud latch
weak bolt
or Zen Brig?
silk frost
did you just fucking say ANA MOIRA
clear crane
Jesce usually plays brig tho
neat canopy
my god
outer zenith
And as of right NOW, Profit has been solid. So, washed? No. I don't think so.
neat canopy
once my team pulled out ana bap and i died
weak bolt
Profit has time to get himself to the top again, Carpe is proving its possible
neat canopy
toilet bowl but shock 
silk frost
houston will win 4head
weak bolt
Danteh's echo is pretty good
silk frost
they have a better dive tank line
neat canopy
yeah profit isnt on the way out
weak bolt
He won the Echo tournament on it
clear crane
I think Danteh will run Tracer
neat canopy
no where near
silk frost
dantecho
neat canopy
but hes not at peak anymore
silk frost
he's washed profit which is an upper mid tier dps player
weak bolt
I'd think Danteh on tracer/sombra yeah, guess depends how good Blase is at Echo
neat canopy
and still just go hackfist
weak bolt
Profit if washed by Profit standards. By normal standards, he's still good
outer zenith
If Danteh is on the Echo, what would Blase actually play?
weak bolt
Doom maybe? No idea what they've scrimmed
outer zenith
Doom and Echo seems odd.
neat canopy
doom echo dont pair really no
weak bolt
You'd never know where the attacks are coming from
outer zenith
I mean, let's see it. But it's just odd.
neat canopy
slam in upper cut when echo bombs and beam?
it could work just very strange
its a brawl dive hybrid i see that in
weak bolt
Bombs & Slam to kill, or Uppercut & Beam. Would have to be super co-ordinated, but I doubt it'll happen
neat canopy
yeah itd be hard
weak bolt
Orisa Sigma x2 lol
clear crane
Hmm double shield
weak bolt
Guess we know who Atl didn't scrim
clear crane
4 Sigmas?
neat canopy
pull bombs sounds strong
outer zenith
This split comp is something...
weak bolt
Pull bomb was super nasty in the echo tourney
silk frost
sextouple barrier
outer zenith
Half Dive, half Double Shield.
weak bolt
Does 2x Baptise window multiply x4?
clear crane
where ya going Rascal
neat canopy
i think so
weak bolt
Imagine Rascal through 2 bap windows lol
clear crane
Wow....
neat canopy
if genji deflects amp shots through another amp it multiplies so that should too
weak bolt
Duplicating Orisa is super strong too
clear crane
Rascal shud just go Brig
neat canopy
it is
clear crane
i bet they still win
neat canopy
rascal should just go bap because rascal is a really good bap
clear crane
LOL HE DID!
silk frost
C9
weak bolt
Rascal can pick whatever he wants and he's really good at it rofl
silk frost
C9
neat canopy
echo was made just for rascal change my mind
2-2-2 comes in so rascal no flex
papa jeff be like
outer zenith
I don't like the Tracer pick in that comp by Houston. But what the hell do I know.
clear crane
just keep the camera on Rascal
outer zenith
No, we MUST watch Smurf.
neat canopy
i think its ok seeing its dante on tracer
clear crane
well twice we see his pov and twice rascal dies 😦
weak bolt
Shock have so much poke damage with this setup
clear crane
now go Bap
neat canopy
no shit
outer zenith
There probably is somewhere down in the dungeons, because no one actually likes Orisa.
neat canopy
its a poke comp
weak bolt
Striker, Rascal, Smurf, Choi and Violet are all going to take your head off instantly
neat canopy
echo works in poke well because she just roams and cleans up the poke
weak bolt
Houston playing Mei is super weird
neat canopy
its nice and simple
shock are just straight better so theyre trying to play something to catch em off
clear crane
awww
silk frost
PLAY DIVE YOU STUPID FUCKING OUTLAWS HARSHA WHAT ARE YOU DOING
weak bolt
Not sure Dive is going to work vs that
neat canopy
thats aggressive