yea boston is s1 dragons
#esports-discussion
zinc holly
true hound
at least Houston is winning some
weak bolt
I don't think Houston are that bad at all. If they can get muma to use his ult properly, and not feed, they could be pretty good
zinc holly
^^
true hound
they have a lot of potential
balmy wolf
u mean get a new MT
hallow zealot
boston is tier 2
worn falcon
Hey, mad respect to Fearless to staying with SHD and then being one of the tops teams
zinc holly
new MT would be harder
true hound
Muma needs to just work on his shit
zinc holly
building synergy
weak bolt
and stop playing Mei/Reaper, that is the key to Houston
rugged yacht
I love muma but he is falling behind
true hound
Meko is fine, Rapel & Jecse are fine, Danteh Blase Linkzr Hydration are all good
hallow zealot
muma needs a better hero pool other than just ball/winston
true hound
their roster itself is very good
weak bolt
Sombra doom, or Doom tracer. Let Danteh play something he can carry on
barren quest
Yeah stick with Hackfist
balmy wolf
the outlaws only success is with a dive comp
zinc holly
true errorr
weak bolt
I wonder who's grinding Echo on Houston
true hound
cause Muma monkey > Muma rein
zinc holly
danteh suffered from the ban
true hound
@weak bolt danteh
weak bolt
Danteh/Hydration/Blase could all be very good Echos
balmy wolf
I rather get an actual dps to pair with danteh and new MT
true hound
blase is fine
zinc holly
blase popped off
balmy wolf
on doom
balmy wolf
blase only does well on doom and thats a problem
true hound
ahem sounds like a special someone in OWL
zinc holly
lmao
weak bolt
Blase's doom is good, they just can't play it along side a reaper or mei because he just gets hard focused
zinc holly
chipsa can play other ppl tho
hallow zealot
but he dosent
weak bolt
If they're playing doom, it needs to be along side another dive hero
rugged yacht
Wow mayhem isn't garbage... that's a 1st
zinc holly
like genji, not to mention genji. Can't forget genji. Oh also genji
hallow zealot
sometimes hanzo
zinc holly
true true
true hound
@zinc holly yeah but is his genji very good
zinc holly
ik
true hound
Genji isn't used a lot anyways
balmy wolf
do people really think that chipsa signing was for his doom lul
zinc holly
yea
weak bolt
I just wonder whats happened to Hydration, he must just be getting no scrim time?
balmy wolf
its a marketing stunt
true hound
PR
balmy wolf
and it worked
zinc holly
i agree tho hes benched all the time
rugged yacht
@weak bolt he got benched like geguri
weak bolt
Poko was trolling, 100%
true hound
@weak bolt Poko said in an interview that Chipsa isnt that bad
he said he was very confused why he was signed at first
zinc holly
can they pull up the bans already lmao
true hound
but he actually has synergy or something
weak bolt
He was signed before Echo existed, there is no way Chipsa is their echo player
true hound
Poko said he is now i guess
rugged yacht
This weeks bans: Dva, Ana, Mcree, Sombra
hallow zealot
will chipsa play echo
weak bolt
I think Poko was just trolling/memeing, even Note did the same in that interview
weak bolt
Owl funding will go up from his fines
zinc holly
thank god
hallow zealot
didnt he say he would gift 1m subs to xqc
rotund sail
yea
balmy wolf
yea it was a joke
true hound
yes
rotund sail
he would probably get banned for raging
zinc holly
no he was serious
weak bolt
Imagine him being dominated by a widow in a match and just full on throwing/raging in chat
zinc holly
because xqc has 1m viewers clearly
true hound
onlooky
balmy wolf
yes im assuming chispa has 5m just laying around
zinc holly
he does
rotund sail
oh yea
zinc holly
obviously
weak bolt
Smart move by Chipsa to make a stupid bet he'd never keep, think of all the PR he's getting from it
hallow zealot
if stages were still being used seeing chipsa rage on stage would be legendary
rotund sail
it was a joke tho... it was never bet
weak bolt
He may be the onlookiest guy on earth, but he knows how to build his stream more :p
zinc holly
true
wont be surprised if he starts being toxic towards his team during an interview for views
weak bolt
What are we thinking this week, Ana/Rein/Ashe/Mcree bans?
rotund sail
ashe or mei
tropic herald
Kinda sad that TiZi isn’t in OWL yet Muma Fusions and Roar are
weak bolt
Mei wont be banned, she's barely played in Ranked
hallow zealot
genji hasn't been banned yet right
zinc holly
ana, ashe, genji, zarya
im sure one of them will be wrong
i think ana is a guarantee though
sorry sleepy
rugged yacht
Ana Dva Mcree random
weak bolt
Mei has less pickrate than Torb/Genji/Hanzo/Doom/Widow/Tracer/Ashe/Mcree in GM+ Comp.
true hound
mei has an honor system
she is boring to play as & unfun to play against
So i guess not everyone picks her
zinc holly
yea
weak bolt
DVA has a pretty low pickrate in GM too by looks of it
Roadhog is almost 2x Dva pickrate
rugged yacht
My other babies
zinc holly
yea dva is pretty unpopular
rare magnet
shanghai are geniuses wtf
zinc holly
shanghai is cleansing their record
hallow zealot
for sure
zinc holly
i'd agree
rugged yacht
Side note: does blizzard understand what they're doing in regards to ranked?
hallow zealot
i wanna see shock vs dragons
balmy wolf
dragons look clean as hell
rotund sail
announcement .o.
weak bolt
I want Philly vs Dragons, to see if Philly really are as hyped as everyone thinks
raw ermine
"a fantastic fun announcment"
rugged yacht
Sfs lost their shock
rotund sail
probably the skin
rugged yacht
I swear 
hallow zealot
i think the new colours look better
hallow zealot
they're definitely title contenders
balmy wolf
coach moon stepping up after the disaster that was s2 valiant
zinc holly
valiant is kinda a joke
rugged yacht
But valiant this season 
zinc holly
s1 they were really decent now theyre just bruh
hallow zealot
ksp is looking good though
weak bolt
Biggest issue with SHD appeared to be Stand1 on Main Tank, but Fearless looking pretty good too
balmy wolf
stand1 seems to be the orisa specialist
rare magnet
tokens
balmy wolf
and fearless rein/winston
hallow zealot
fearless was there in s1 dragons right
balmy wolf
yes
rare magnet
facecams
weak bolt
yeah but he dropped to contenders for S2
raw ermine
hmm
rotund sail
best teams choose who they want
weak bolt
Boston wont make it in qualifier, wouldnt worry
true hound
wot
rugged yacht
Well now
balmy wolf
do well in tournament and get a boost to your regular season record
rare magnet
interesting
weak bolt
Have Titans moved back to Canada then? They were in Korea I thought
raw ermine
Anddddd TD plays LAG
rugged yacht
So Houston's already played 11 games....
rotund sail
Mayhem and Uprising again ._.
weak bolt
I wonder if Titans have come back to Canada and that's why all the team are protesting
wintry kraken
They will ban rein, sombra. Torb and ana 
rare magnet
weak bolt
Wonder if any hero pools in the tourney
raw ermine
flying all over the place
weak bolt
I reckon VT management have forced team to move back, and thats why all the players protesting as they want to be in Korea
rotund sail
booo echo is going to be back 😠
zinc holly
here we go
weak bolt
Mercy banned rofl
zinc holly
LMAO
raw ermine
LUL
rotund sail
NOOOOOO
zinc holly
mercy mains shaking
raw ermine
HERE COME THE MERCY MAINS
zinc holly
now they gotta aim
rugged yacht
Your fucking lying
barren quest
Wait wut
weak bolt
0 play in Owl, banned next week rofl
zinc holly
why are all the shadows genji shaped
rugged yacht
What have we done
rotund sail
BAN GENJI AND HANZO
raw ermine
damn hog
rugged yacht
Dva
rare magnet
stop playing your fav hero so they cant get banned
zinc holly
bruh
rugged yacht
I wouldn't mind killing Hog tbh
zinc holly
i would
weak bolt
Ball banned
rugged yacht
Damn...
raw ermine
NOOOOO
zinc holly
NOOOOOOOO
rotund sail
thank fuck
raw ermine
POOR BOI
rugged yacht
No more point stall
zinc holly
im not playing comp this week
barren quest
What tf happened
rugged yacht
I'm glad I have call of duty
barren quest
Bans are announced?
rotund sail
thank god no ball 1tricks
raw ermine
dang
rugged yacht
Mcree and hanzo
wintry kraken
Cree widow ban incoming
worn falcon
yikes
zinc holly
im not a ball one trick
weak bolt
RIP Linkzr/ANS play time again
zinc holly
i just have 20 hours on ball and <1 on zarya rein and hog this season 🙂
raw ermine
Echo will go on a rampage with minimum 1/ max 2 hitscan banned
rotund sail
WEHRES HANZO
rugged yacht
I'm done this week
raw ermine
Chipsa happy
zinc holly
chipsa real happy
rotund sail
chipsa will play
zinc holly
... until doom banned monkaW
wintry kraken
Next up cree
dusky sparrow
WIDOW BAN=CHIPSA PLAYS :PogU:
WIDOW BAN=CHIPSA PLAYS :PogU:
WIDOW BAN=CHIPSA PLAYS :PogU:
WIDOW BAN=CHIPSA PLAYS :PogU:
WIDOW BAN=CHIPSA PLAYS :PogU:
WIDOW BAN=CHIPSA PLAYS :PogU:
zinc holly
watch them ban doom tho
wintry kraken
Not in pool
weak bolt
Mcree/Widow banned
zinc holly
i stg
raw ermine
wow
rotund sail
mccree again
zinc holly
again?
rotund sail
A G A I N
zinc holly
They need to fix their pools
rotund sail
i never play dps so pog
frozen perch
wait
balmy wolf
lol
wintry kraken
It is players
frozen perch
wasn't it mccree widow last last week?
rotund sail
but im upset abt the mercy ban
zinc holly
not playing tank this week i guess
echo quest
What fucking garbage bans
tropic herald
Who’s banned
frozen perch
mccree widow ball mercy
zinc holly
mcree widow ball mercy
rotund sail
cree widow ball mercy
echo quest
Also what a shitty idea to base it out on ranked
rotund sail
what a shitty idea all around for hero bans
worn falcon
Echo and Pharah stonks 📈
rotund sail
but no mercy for them
wintry kraken
Echo pharah free range
balmy wolf
lol mei not even in the pool
worn falcon
Pharah more or less can survive without Mercy, Echo doesnt need Mercy
zinc holly
true
true hound
mei has a low pickrate in Comp cause no one wants to play her
zinc holly
all you need is ana
true hound
So now we’re stuck with Mei in OWL forever
wintry kraken
Or brig packs
true hound
who are the tanks
tropic herald
ChipSa meta next week
rotund sail
i hate hero pools
tropic herald
zinc holly
im malding
true hound
What is the new Format thing
tropic herald
Doomfist next week
balmy wolf
what’s the format announcement? I must’ve missed it
zinc holly
cree widow ball mercy
terrible bans
with and without bias
ball ban is fair but im biased
tropic herald
I like the dps bans tbh
zinc holly
2 hitscan gone though
true hound
same
zinc holly
mercy... she had like a 30% play rate while ana had a 78.8%
true hound
guys we’re trying to shake up the meta in OWL!!!1!1!1!1
tropic herald
Yep
tropic herald
I’d rather watch more ana than Moira
true hound
same
zinc holly
true
weak bolt
Just expecting a lot of double shield + Ashe/torb to counter echo I guess
balmy wolf
mei hasnt been touched
tropic herald
Echo shouldn’t be in this upcoming weekend
zinc holly
im not even mad that ana isnt banned cause i cant play ball anyway
weak bolt
They’ve said echo is in next weekend
tropic herald
Allegedly ChipSa is the echo specialist
zinc holly
clearly a joke
tropic herald
I mean
zinc holly
until he pulls out the echo
tough gorge
idk man. with chipsas stats the way it is, he can do anything
zinc holly
lol
tropic herald
Fun fact IDDQD has an infinite KD in OWL
weak bolt
Chipsa is the echo specialist in the same way muma is best MT in league
zinc holly
^^^^^
weak bolt
Chipsa has equal stats to Avast in the league.
echo quest
He won’t. EQO playing echo for the first time looked way better than what chipsa showed has shown on stream recently
tropic herald
It all comes down to scrim performances
zinc holly
yep
balmy wolf
looks either ivy or eqo are gonna play her
weak bolt
I bet eqo has been grinding echo, he’s their projectile specialist usually, he just can’t play Mei lol
balmy wolf
6
tropic herald
Heesu
weak bolt
No hero pools for the tourney, confirmed on reddit by Jon spectre
balmy wolf
wait you're right its 5 dps
weak bolt
Top ranking teams in the preceding three weeks I think
weak bolt
Grand finals will use whole seasons scores
Winning these monthly ones gives you extra wins towards your season total
true hound
chipsa > all
echo quest
I know Kyb doesn’t play for philly
true hound
Smh
weak bolt
I’m still curious why titans are now NA again, they must have moved back
weak bolt
They were listed as NA team on broadcast
echo quest
Oh
weak bolt
And their latest twitter post seemed to confirm it
Looks like two divisions now anyway, 13 teams NA, and then 7 Asian teams (4 China, nyxl, spitfire and dynasty). With teams to play others within their division
tame shadow
Who’s banned
upper niche
McCree, Widow, Mercy, Ball
sullen berry
https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/23405216
There's also 3 points for the respective division winners
Two for second place
And 3-4th get a W on their current W-L in the league as well as the small financial incentive
upper niche
It's pretty much that getting to the semi-finals and beyond count.
tropic herald
Man I just want to watch the Asian tournament
Will be Inter
Interesting
The BM
grizzled badger
vital agate
i think they want actual ctf maps first
it kinda feels informal reusing control maps
and owl is pretty insistance on control, assualt, payload, hybrid control
payload and hyprid might be wrong way around 😭
sullen berry
Actually its both
They switch the modes around to make sure they play through all four map types on a given day
dry mesa
can someone nicely explain to me why NYE is playing in the asian division? i thought they were atlantic?
sorry if this is a stupid question
plush jacinth
Mayhem brutalized Uprising it was miserable to watch lol
gaunt acorn
@dry mesa because the players are currently in korea, if i'm not mistaken
due to coronavirus
dry mesa
ah, and when they play online they play "local" to reduce ping?
gaunt acorn
time zone considerations also
severe swallow
Can Chicago have a team?
heavy hinge
@balmy wolf
exotic loom
@severe swallow i wish they could i was born and raised down in Englewood
plush jacinth
They really put Boston and Florida against each other again like Boston could get revenge
dry mesa
whats going on with boston, something is seriously wrong
supple prism
The level of care from Boston management is super low
balmy wolf
Oh lord nyxl vs shangai dragons 2 of the top teams cant wait man
hot heart
cloud latch
thanks for the info
winter fiber
Sweet Baby Rays's: The Official Drink of the Overwatch League.
Let's make it real
sullen berry
you should go to Outlaws for that
barren quest
Dragons vs NYXL on Saturday pog
cloud latch
who's gonna win that match? I think it'll be a 3-1 dragons
digital cloud
dragons been looking good
I think it might either be a stomp for them or a close match
raw ermine
I could see it going to 5 games
digital cloud
I don't see New York making it easy for them, but Dragons have had a really good season
true hound
^
barren quest
I mean they completely destroyed the Dynasty
true hound
lowkey excited for Outlaws vs Shock
digital cloud
that is true about the Dynasty
they may have been a bit overhyped, but that is not nothing
also, Shock is looking like they have corrected whatever happened between them and the LA teams
digital cloud
I vastly prefer Houston, but I don't see them winning, especially after the embarrassment yesterday
cloud latch
what did houston do?
digital cloud
Well, they played probably the best they ever have for about 50% of the first map
true hound
Fuel realized on the last map that "Oh shoot, this Blase guy is killing us all"
they keep trying out Mei comps and im like please stop
just do the hackfist
digital cloud
and then got to map five after dropping route 66 due to Muma
true hound
theyre your two best heroes
digital cloud
and then Muma happened again
true hound
Muma Mia
digital cloud
like, the dude used to be so good
digital cloud
but he makes some really bad mistakes sometimes
and his Rein just can't seem to keep up
digital cloud
my friend was of the opinion that Rapel wasn't looking good
true hound
with a Reaper I felt like he shouldnt have played Ana into it
digital cloud
At least on the last map, I think he said
digital cloud
that hasn't worked out for them very well previously
true hound
basically he has to hit the sleep on the Reaper or he dies
digital cloud
well, with Meko as the D.va, it seems he should have some good peel
or was he Zarya that last game?
digital cloud
well, it didn't look to me like Seoul was playing very well, either
tropic herald
Marve1 can play Sigma at a high level but not Dva so if you force him off Sigma he will crumble
digital cloud
thought Marve1 was generally a main tank?
digital cloud
I know that
same is true of Gator, for instance
but why would they run him on D.va?
tropic herald
Pharah
digital cloud
ok
zealous vigil
Blizzard really made some wise decisions when they heavily invested into a contrived esports OWL tournament scene instead of just supporting local tournaments. Successful decisions being made here, boys
severe swallow
Indeed
balmy wolf
this went super under the radar for no reason https://twitter.com/Carter_OW/status/1254607840230031361?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1254607840230031361&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fg8sgyp%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3Dfalse
Twitter
dapper shoal
Has anybdoy ordered the cuetom OWL jerseys?
Not sure if theyre worth even with the discount currently on
tropic herald
Envy is supposedly leaving Contenders
anotha one bites the dust
Are you kidding me
The last academy team is Uprising
primal minnow
OOP
gaunt acorn
only the strong weak survive
echo quest
Dead fucking scene
upper niche
Biggest mistake OWL/ActBliz made was not making it mandatory for pro teams/franchises to field a development team.
echo quest
How?
Why should it be mandatory
When they don’t even fucking fund the scene properly lmao
Why should the teams waste money
For a constant changing format and sub 1000 viewers
upper niche
Because they should have an investment in supporting and developing the sport they're involved in rather than just leeching off what others create. That obligation would ultimately be better to ensure the sport stays strong and there's development prospects.
echo quest
Or if blizzard actually support path to pro orgs would likely want to have academy teams
echo quest
Oof
karmic grotto
Yeah
I wish it was back to Twitch
At least there it was visible for the people visiting Twitch and they could just click there to see the matches
Contenders always had thousands of viewers at peak time
sullen berry
i tried looking for the atlanta homestand games from last year
at least they gave out options
do i want to watch a single map only?
or can I watch the full day's stream without the split?
karmic grotto
sullen berry
circumstances now mean you might as well put a bit more effort and download the VODs yourself
heaps of third party tools are available to make it enjoyable
you can't watch full day streams or map VODs obviously on Youtube from last year
karmic grotto
I really don't understand their direction at all
It just doesn't make sense
I don't see how they're caring for the viewers
sullen berry
that's what change looks like
karmic grotto
We're nearing 3 months since they said there would be tokens, and still no sign of tokens
Usually, I am a firm viewer of NA and KR Contenders, but with these changes, it doesn't motivate me to watch at all
I didn't watch a thing except for some check I did last week
And then I turned it off because I don't have the same fun I had last year
I hate it that they care so much about money and not the fanbase
barren quest
They've been doing a promotion of giving away 100 tokens since earlier this month
I still haven't recieved my tokens yet
echo quest
L
sullen berry
That's how data collection works, lol
They're probably into it, but just wait a little longer for the Tokens to come through
raw ermine
Twitter
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/angrytitans/status/1248309726577856512?s=21 angry titans so anger they couldn't give him 2 weeks
Dafran levels of speed running but in contenders
cloud latch
bruh
echo quest
Aren’t angry titans done with contenders ?
fervent beacon
Anyone wanna bet whos gonna be the next T2 team to disband
karmic grotto
Runaway OMEGALUL
fervent beacon
I think Runaway is too good to disband yet 🤣
inland flare
who is the best sigma player
echo quest
Deadass runaway maybe
Runner might as well start a league of legends team
He did kickstart fakers career after all
true hound
^
echo quest
Probably don’t have the money tho
To start a team that will aim for the LCK
They would need to split ownership with another org or company
They would end up like rox tigers
In LCK
fervent beacon
Griffin on the brink getting relegated after getting first last year Spring and reaching Quarters at Worlds
Truly counter logic
limber pine
I enjoy how r/compow completely overreacted
sullen berry
Their discord too, it's just free real estate:
[/r/COMPETITIVE OW] discord is famous for having a massive hate boner on Sinatraa
Many one liners that they'd just like to entertain the idea he's been paid a better contract to move onto a game he is only playing on stream to chill
echo quest
I don’t think the subreddit overreacted
The guys answered questions for nearly 2 hours and denied everything from gender change to a baby momma
Always skirted the valorant questions
Said he has a week to decide which makes sense as orgs are getting their valorsnt rosters
Nrg already signed their first player
Mans telling the truth
Yikes
140k peak
Now that’s a yoke
digital cloud
are they counting the sites other than youtube as well?
cuz I saw the first game, and, iirc, on youtube it was like 60k
digital cloud
maybe it has changed?
digital cloud
the addition of the tournaments and stuff?
idk
not sure why they are offering so much with dying viewership
they seem to have lost a lot of sponsors
echo quest
Wiki says 5million
digital cloud
sure it isn't an error?
that is a huge change
like, I know you can't ask the league personally, I am sure
karmic grotto
I see. they should have been more clear on that
echo quest
Ye
Really sad we won’t see patiphan in OWL. The dude is legit cracked at the game
But he 16
digital cloud
didn't he move on to Valorant or something?
digital cloud
what does that mean?
like, he can't join OWL unless he is 18
he waiting to see if it will still be a thing in a year?
I can see that
digital cloud
who knows when that is coming, though
and, honestly, not sure it would actually bring back players
echo quest
Winter 2020 in sync with the next gen consoles I’m assuming to boost them sales
digital cloud
tragic that crap like COD and Fifa can do that, but probably OW2 won't get much hype, I bet
karmic grotto
So here's what I think
echo quest
Sinatraa said at the end of his stream if OW2 doesn’t change some things he doesn’t have hope for pro play
karmic grotto
Activision Blizzard has three corps. working together as one. You have Activision, Blizzard, and then King (Candy Crush etc..). They earn the most revenue from Candy Crush
So
Where the f*ck is that money?
digital cloud
probably reinvested?
echo quest
Wdym?
digital cloud
that is what usually happens
karmic grotto
What exactly did they invest in OWL? They got all their money from sponsors and orgs. buy in
What exactly did they invest
echo quest
^
digital cloud
well, they haven't done that much advertising
echo quest
They have dogshit advertising ngl
echo quest
Should have done it like league. Who’s client is covered with pro play shit
They also have to share the revenue with the teams
echo quest
You know the shit to start the game
karmic grotto
Yes
digital cloud
also, have to probably pay for housing, since the teams live together, equipment, insurance, etc
that adds up
echo quest
That’s the teams jog g
digital cloud
yeah, most of it, but I bet Blizzard is involved as well
though most of the money is definitely for other things
karmic grotto
They MUST change the homescreen of ow
New Interface
That should be possible
An UI where pro scene is imbedded
karmic grotto
@digital cloud free advertising
digital cloud
well, I would say that role queue has made that less useful
karmic grotto
People even when seeing overwatch league live, they don't know much about Contenders
If Contenders was mentioned
And you could see news about players in-game
What about that idea?
echo quest
Going YT fucked them
karmic grotto
^
digital cloud
that would help some, but people hated the Youtube idea
echo quest
The quality is dogshit
digital cloud
their precious emotes are gone, and the tokens too
karmic grotto
Blizzard could have literally made a system for that
echo quest
Honestly
karmic grotto
They should invest money in making an in-game live spectator with live video from homestands and commentary
echo quest
But no they wanted a lucrative deal with twitch who told them to fuck off
karmic grotto
Let people pay for that
Also, chat system for each team that's playing
Let the players buy exclusive emotes from the teams they support
digital cloud
literally the new COD league has more viewers
echo quest
I wonder how many viewers the LPL has
karmic grotto
karmic grotto
LPL is China right?
digital cloud
I think so
echo quest
Ye
Really dope seeing their growth foreign wise
They hit 110k a few days ago on twitch. Combine that with YT
The finals are on Saturday
digital cloud
hmmm
echo quest
LCK hit 1.1 million concurrent viewers
digital cloud
well, Blizzard just needs to get their act together
start actually advertising
the fact that they are Blizzard is not enough anyore
anymore*
echo quest
LEC hit 850k in the finals
digital cloud
yeah, LoL just has it better 100%
echo quest
I wonder how much OWL finals will hit
digital cloud
I would be surprised if it is much over 100k
echo quest
The crazy thing is the LCK and LEC broke viewership numbers over last year despite the finals being quick 3-0 stomps
digital cloud
well
it isn't like they knew they were going to lose like that beforehand, right?
surely quite a few viewers were casuals, right?
echo quest
I guess lmao
digital cloud
I don't know
echo quest
Probably wanted to see faker get his 10th domestic title
digital cloud
wait, he is still in the game?
echo quest
Ye dude
digital cloud
I thought he retired or something
echo quest
He’s still world clas
digital cloud
dang
digital cloud
I have always wondered how he would stack up against Dota2 players
or how LoL and Dota2 would compare generally
echo quest
I wish OW pro play was like in League where worse teams could win with insane outplays
Not always team based
echo quest
I think it’s better when the teams are good but man watching shitty teams this year and those teams play goats
Was just not fun to watch
digital cloud
I liked it for a while, but it does get stale eventually
never got how CS:GO players could stand it
digital cloud
I agree
echo quest
Because most of the league couldn’t play at a high level
I have no problem watching shock or titans play it
digital cloud
but the viewership was never high to begin with
echo quest
True
digital cloud
like, I think the finals the first year only had about a quarter million
only decreased since
maybe if OW had been popular in China
which I think is why LoL is so huge?
echo quest
Should have been like riot. The meta was a slow paced wait for 40 minute hypercarries. They completely changed it to the point where games can end within 25 minutes
Way more fun to watch
Lemme find viewership
Peak was 350k
In S1
Playoffs
digital cloud
on twitch?
because I distinctly remember that stream being around 250k
should have recorded it
echo quest
Just sucks seeing it crashing down
digital cloud
yeah, but Blizzard should have done better
digital cloud
millions of dollars invested, and this is what they have to show for it
maybe 50k viewers
slowly dwindling
echo quest
And not fixing the meta to be viewer enjoyable
20 million buy in
Yeesh
Comcast should have just invested in League
karmic grotto
You mean LoL League?
tropic herald
Magic
raw ermine
what would Minecraft esports even be?
tropic herald
Probably PvP or UHC
true hound
yeah
Danteh was considered as the best Build player
And all around one of the best pvpers
@echo quest he didn’t like it and said it wasn’t competitive enough for him
true hound
ik
Sad
He was damn good
it’s sorta wack getting back into OW and realizing my favorite pvper was now in the OWL
bright cypress
wtf
karmic grotto
Dude
raw ermine
plot twist: he goes to boston
karmic grotto
Say sike right now
worn falcon
plot twist: he goes to Valorant
worn falcon
Oh that one too
clear crane
Valorant 24/7!
worn falcon
inb4 we get Choi bastion MVP skin
karmic grotto
clear crane
looks like hes joining the Sentinels Valorant team
so the team who helped run the Glads
karmic grotto
It's within the org of rng x sentinels?
solemn magnet
So since Sinatra left Owl what happens to his Skin
karmic grotto
Unknown
solemn magnet
Dang
clear crane
Leaving a pretty nice salary for a game still in beta. yikes
calm holly
tropic herald
Hates the game
Probably
Also considering the scene is pretty bad and does not appear to be getting better
karmic grotto
You don't understand, do you Legacy? Valorant has better career outlook with Riot as foundation and the ability to have three types of competitions
Pro league will be amazing as League's own
Lots of support
Something OWL lacks
clear crane
I have no idea why ur going all in on me lmfao
karmic grotto
Lacks so much that MVP goes to sign with another org before skin comes out
karmic grotto
I'm not acting aggressive. If you feel like that then you have no life experience dealing with people when they correct you
Just take it
clear crane
"You don't understand, do you"
That statement right there signals u want to start something
If you simply say "I disagree" thats another story
raw ermine
Twitter
clear crane
I've pretty much avoided trying to make any dialogue with you cause you seem to get into a lot of arguments on here
earnest leaf
Making assumptions of the Valorant pro scene for it either being good or bad is pretty ignorant
Sinatraa probably has the money to sustain himself for leaving OWL, and pursue Valorant
raw ermine
Twitter
true hound
F
dawn vale
F
indigo vigil
digital cloud
welp, this it boys and girls
the end of an era
I for one welcome our new Tencent overlords
balmy wolf
Dude like this is insane man. Personally i don't think overwatch league will end, but there will be a new wave of stars. Time will tell, but hot damn
digital cloud
I doubt Overwatch will ever die as an esport, but it certainly doesn't look like it is ever going to be as big as it could have been
balmy wolf
True
digital cloud
curse you Blizzard
balmy wolf
More like riot for stealing our players lol
digital cloud
well, I don't blame them
compare the esports of Blizzard to LoL
while I hate Riot more due to Tencent, I can see what the players are thinking
wispy raven
Guys ik I'm late but WHAT THE FUCK
balmy wolf
You could technically say they were first because of Starcraft 2. But in terms of reach it has to be lol
digital cloud
well, Starcraft 2 is basically dead now
and LoL, while not as old, is still going strong
as is CS:GO as well, for instance
wispy raven
Riot just have really good devs
digital cloud
while Overwatch, despite apparently having about 40 million players
is almost dead
wispy raven
That listen to the community and update frequently
digital cloud
at least esports wise
wispy raven
Blizzard does not do the same
dawn vale
OWL is dead for this season. COVID kinda fucked it over
digital cloud
that is truer I think, but LoL is still a pretty unbalanced game imo
Riot just handles things better than Blizzard does
by a lot
digital cloud
stinks to see, especially since I really do like OWL
it just can't survive the way it is going now
wispy raven
I bet OW 2 gonna release when Valorant's at its peak lmao
balmy wolf
Probably
dawn vale
Most likely
digital cloud
honestly, I can't see people coming back to it
dawn vale
OW2 will have everyone who left for one hype train come back for another
There’s people that won’t come back, but then there’s hype followers
wispy raven
I don't see OW recovering. I think Overwatch 2 needs to feel like a brand new game rather than a DLC to stand any chance of competing with Valorant.
digital cloud
why do crappy games like COD and Fifa get this much retention, while Overwatch doesn't
dawn vale
Causal audience
wispy raven
Just cos they've been around for donkeys I guess
dawn vale
I’m collegiate with blizzard for ow so like, there’s things they do right but can still improve on. I think they’re trying more now since there’s a threat of something completely taking them over
digital cloud
I liked it, honestly, but it did get stale after a while
it just made everything else irrelevant
balmy wolf
If blizzard is smart, they'll do regular improvement to OW2
dawn vale
The issues of the past were also the balancing philosophy
wispy raven
Surely they have to release in like 2021 right so it doesn't coincide with the Valorant hype?
digital cloud
depends
they might not market it like they don't market OWL
which would be stupid
balmy wolf
I hope they don't or overwatch will die
digital cloud
at least it will probably never be as dead as TF2
which reminds me that Valve also sucks
wispy raven
Valve Devs lmao
balmy wolf
Valve should honestly just die. They're barley relevant anymore and their most hyped game will never exist
digital cloud
well, I agree a bit, but then Steam would be gone
wispy raven
Played at its max potential Overwatch is the best game I've played. If overwatch 2 offers as much as trailers suggest I don't think it will ever recover again.
balmy wolf
Fuck your right
digital cloud
Steam may not be perfect, but give me it over
what other things like it are there?
see what I mean
balmy wolf
Well i guess there will never be a true resolution
balmy wolf
We all hope it does
digital cloud
and ZEN LORE
digital cloud
to be honest, the new players they got are better though
he just was MVP, so it looks like a bigger deal
digital cloud
will be chaos for a while
balmy wolf
Same here its gonna be insane for a bit but we shall see
digital cloud
but then I will be in my rightful place as plat
wispy raven
Oof