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deep wolf
Twitter
wintry kraken
all this while casters still have open mic at breaks
woven hill
NA PRODUCTION!
midnight sage
This map so far 
midnight sage
Danteh EMP oof
karmic grotto
First, Muma let's himself die
Misses Jecse Soundbarrier
Then danteh emps on top
Lol
midnight sage
Well this map should hopefully be done quick
midnight sage
Jesus Christ muma stop dying
karmic grotto
Muma back to feeding his brains out and dying
midnight sage
Soon ouch
tawny sinew
Why would soon broadcast his ult like that
midnight sage
More sex big dick
tawny sinew
Rough Getty lost track of be best and couldn't keep the heals up
midnight sage
Solid bleeps
woven hill
So that's allowed huh.
midnight sage
Man, you are salty about this haha
uneven wren
bleep button op
woven hill
IT'S PETTY AS FUCK
midnight sage
I bet if you yell about it enough Blizzard will cancel the fines
woven hill
They didn't cancel Warcraft 3, so i doubt it
midnight sage
Wow Nico on fire
karmic grotto
Paris hard clutching
gloomy vector
f
midnight sage
RIP
weak bolt
Muma holding those shatters for the next map again
weak bolt
Or just go aggressive themselves, they seem so passive
sand pond
Muma mia
weak bolt
was a re-mech I think
weak bolt
Probably punched a mile by doom
timid vigil
rawkus is doing jack shit on healing
weak bolt
Muma/Meko just look so unco-ordinated
tropic herald
BenBest kinda hot doe
timid vigil
@weak bolt does meko speak english
weak bolt
Only the basics for OW I think
timid vigil
literally replace rawkus with rapel
dry mesa
"happy halloween"
raw ermine
obslucio
tropic herald
OBSLucio
weak bolt
Outlaws need to replace Muma/Rawkus imo to ever be a good team
timid vigil
muma would do better if he was coordinated with meko
hes a good winston
but on rein he chokes a lot
weak bolt
His winston is ok yeah, but struggles on rein
gloomy vector
big f
timid vigil
gg
inland pawn
is muma really OWL level KEKW
raw ermine
CHIPSA TIME
tropic herald
OW community: nooo you can’t just use ults whenever you want
tropic herald
Paris: mmmmm q shiny mmmm
queen comet
Can someone explain to me why are doomfist and reaper the current meta on OWL?
tropic herald
No stuns
weak bolt
Because how do you stop them, no stuns
tropic herald
Reaper is anti dive
supple prism
no mccree
queen comet
Oh ban heros are also in OWL?
timid vigil
rawkus wasted so many ults and he didnt get value outa them
tropic herald
Yes
weak bolt
yep
supple prism
supposedly you could torb instead of doom but i dont think its good enough
queen comet
Ok makes sense then
tropic herald
Ball Mei McCree Brig
weak bolt
Brig/Ball/Mcree/Mei this week
tropic herald
This weekend
woven hill
the Throw heroes
timid vigil
are they gonna keep banning all cc
woven hill
they need to delete all CC
weak bolt
Can't ban them this week, has to be new heroes
tropic herald
CHIPSA WAITING ROOM
deep wolf
guys: theory
weak bolt
Chipsa or Heesu, place your bets
deep wolf
chipsa will finally play
woven hill
Heesy
queen comet
When is echo going to be live?
deep wolf
he's playing from home so he can use this special chair
clear crane
ooo fusion
weak bolt
Echo meant to be going to Live on Tuesday, probably 2 more weeks before in Comp/OW
raw ermine
Heesu is hitscan
clear crane
Chipsa plz
raw ermine
Chipsa is doomfist
deep wolf
chipsa chair chipsa chair https://i.imgur.com/FFCPEXy.png
weak bolt
Imagine if Corey Torb slaps Chipsa on doom, it'd be the biggest Meme OWL has seen
tropic herald
ChipSa is the hottest OWL player
karmic grotto
Heesu gonna play
tropic herald
So now we just sitting silently waiting for ChipSa
karmic grotto
Or we get Jebaited and only play heesu and ChipSa first map
weak bolt
Match chat enabled on the weekend Chipsa may start, co-incidence?
woven hill
F
tropic herald
NO
woven hill
Philly wins
raw ermine
NO
karmic grotto
I told you
clear crane
booooo
raw ermine
JOKERS
clear crane
baited
raw ermine
HEESU IS HITSCAN
karmic grotto
Hahahaua
inland pawn
no chipsa no win
karmic grotto
He's right
He still can play
Double jebait
ChipSa still can play
Let's hope bois
raw ermine
ttuba too strong
outer zenith
Go down, 0-2. Bring Chipsa in out of desperation. Somehow lose 0-4.
karmic grotto
You have to realise that players rotation are made before match starts?
weak bolt
They can change them between rounds, they don't have to set them for all maps beforehand
raw ermine
this a betrayal
woven hill
the Doom skin sucks
karmic grotto
Change with rounds means = they have to submit which players are going to play each map
It's already decided before match
frozen perch
weak bolt
If they're 2-0 up and rolling, I think he'll appear
outer zenith
Even if Philly choose to never sub in ChipSa, they've already gained more attention just because of the "allure" of seeing it happen.
weak bolt
Carpe Torb, lets go
outer zenith
karmic grotto
XD
outer zenith
Admittedly, I haven't kept up with this weeks games, save for the few times I've popped in to take a look. But based on what I have seen, this weeks Hero Bans have really led to a rather set composition compared to previous weeks.
weak bolt
It's weird, because the Chinese meta was totally different
outer zenith
China is known for going off the script.
dry mesa
bastion
weak bolt
It's like a gold game strat
dry mesa
i love it
tawny sinew
Cheese. That was hot
outer zenith
I respect the attempt.
weak bolt
I want to see Washington vs Chengdu, that is the meta match we need
outer zenith
Not the Shatter, mind you. The Bastion attempt.
tawny sinew
Anyone already have a clip of the bastion Tele?
karmic grotto
Would be nice if the sound didn't had delay
timid vigil
if a team a actually wants to work out a comp with bastion, they need to test it constantly
torb is finally being played
karmic grotto
Wtf did Torb say in the end?
outer zenith
timid vigil
you should try my meatballs..
dry mesa
weak bolt
Imagine if last year someone would say 2 of the best hitscan players in OWL (Corey/Carpe) would be having torb fights. You'd have never believed it
outer zenith
Have we seen much Dive this weekend, or has it really been the Rein/D.Va/Reaper/Doom show?
weak bolt
Chendu tried Dive and it went horrible
dry mesa
they were playing dive into anti dive heroes
despite that it was closer than you would expect, still lost tho
weak bolt
Was a lot more Sombra/Pharah in Chinese matches, but generally it was Rein + dva/sigma
outer zenith
Ah. But it's Chengdu, so that's to be expected.
Okay.
So, at least Chinese teams made it interesting.
timid vigil
lmfao
weak bolt
Turret MVP
timid vigil
the turret
raw ermine
LOL
wintry kraken
7th player wins the game
dry mesa
torb turret lol
tawny sinew
That was the worst way to get the w
Fucking turret and Moira
inland pawn
auto aiming turrets are fun and skillful 
timid vigil
he shouldnt have faded
inland pawn
even i could be an OWL player then KEKW
dry mesa
placement matters
there is strat in placement and controlling areas and sightlines with the turret
outer zenith
Auto-aim and more auto-aim.
outer zenith
...
dry mesa
the auto part is purely visual effect
timid vigil
she can suck someones health easily
their hitbox is bigger for her
so tracking for them isn’t really a big deal
inland pawn
if your attack fills up half the screen, you can hardly call it tracking
timid vigil
and those stupid moira orbs are like magnets
dry mesa
important to know how things work so you can understand the interactions they will have
timid vigil
hammer time
outer zenith
Hammer time.
clear crane
SIT
raw ermine
🪑
outer zenith
Who said Carpe needed hitscan?
raw ermine
hahahah
wintry kraken
fusion throwing
timid vigil
carpe: aight im out
raw ermine
lol
tawny sinew
Can you blame them?
They haven't needed to take volskaya seriously so far
weak bolt
I hope this goes to 2-2 and they use a torb 1v1 to decide the game
outer zenith
It's great to actually get a taste of the in-game banter.
timid vigil
i think they hided it now
raw ermine
LOL
clear crane
lmfaoo wow
tawny sinew
Lol hesu.
Big dick
raw ermine
memers
weak bolt
It's turned on deliberately, the teams were pre-warned
outer zenith
Of course.
clear crane
LMAO
timid vigil
chipsa torb
karmic grotto
But at least it's true
deep wolf
i just want to see chipsa brutally fist others 
karmic grotto
Heesu first time
timid vigil
what if carpe is chipsa????
weak bolt
It'd be the double jebait if they brought him in now
timid vigil
or heesu
outer zenith
They're saving ChipSa for a Map 5. Justice have to earn his grace.
timid vigil
it’d be triple jebait if heesu turned out to be chipsa
karmic grotto
outer zenith
That kid totally just fucked over his teeth.
clear crane
they up 2-0 plz just put in chipsa for one map
solid hatch
That Carpe hammer kill tho
tropic herald
karmic grotto
Nope
Not this time
Fusion hardcore PR jebait
I don't think these were maps to play Doomfist on compared to other maps
weak bolt
WJ seem to never really kill Carpe's turret, but Corey's is killed every fight very quick
clear crane
Getting curb stomped
upper niche
ahah quote of the year, "Reaper without his cooldowns is a potato"
karmic grotto
But these match is so easy
Why not ChipSa?
I'm very disappointed in Fusion, but as their coach said
He will be playing soon
And he better fucking hope what says is true
Or else he will get angry fans on his door
weak bolt
You'd think this week would be the week for Chipsa over any. WJ and a doom meta that works. Can't imagine he'll be played at all into any mcree/mei metas
outer zenith
If I'm being serious on the matter of ChipSa receiving play time, I'll maintain exactly what I said two weeks into the season: We'll see him come out once/if Philly have secured a comfortable spot in the Playoffs.
Once that happens, Philly are free to meme as much as they wish.
weak bolt
I can't wait for the OW forums tomorrow "Torb is so OP, look at OWL, plz nerf"
karmic grotto
LOL
outer zenith
Speaking of the OW forums, I need to go there sometime this week to check in on the residual Mercy-ban salt.
outer zenith
OWL is paying for Philly's insolence.
weak bolt
Surprising lack of mercy threads on forums atm
weak bolt
They told the teams beforehand
outer zenith
The "Big Member" incident of 2020.
clear crane
yay lastro
weak bolt
I think Mcgravy said he was paying 1/4 of Lastro's fine for him too lol
sullen berry
i feel like this calls for an vr chat visit to in n out
with noah's sprite as valla
outer zenith
Slaptoon, he says.
clear crane
Fuel have the potential to pull a S1 Shanghai
actually maybe not that bad. Florida S1
weak bolt
I reckon Unkoe is going to retire to go play Valorant
clear crane
him, akm and sinatraa prob going over
weak bolt
yeah I expect Sinatraa to go over to some degree, might be why SF have kept Rascal
clear crane
i think he said on stream he wouldnt even be on the team anyone if it wasnt for being under contract. hard to turn down the money
weak bolt
Valiant molten core is awesome, I want it
clear crane
is Aero just a bad coach
the majority of his sucess basically came from a crazy talented FU and the star studded Team USA
cloud latch
I guess so
wary briar
yo me diamond DPS player on console
why don't I get 13k views on Twitch as a amateur scrim starter for my team
bruh moment
weak bolt
DF coaching is a big issue imo
Same problems 3 years running isn't a good sign for the coaching
worn falcon
Interesting move, just don't post "sex big dick" 
weak bolt
These Rein's showing what Outlaws are missing
tropic herald
Decay kinda popped there
weak bolt
Valiant were 0.01m away from capping 3rd point lol
weak bolt
Decay literally carrying DF right now
KSP isn't having a great game imo, he needs to be doing more
balmy wolf
lol gg
balmy wolf
val choke this match so hard its not even funny
also fire dreamer and gig
dogshit maintanks
weak bolt
Dreamer played good imo, it was the LAV DPS that were outplayed
Decay just out played them today
balmy wolf
bruh both reins couldnt block for shit until gamsu on the last map
tropic herald
It’s been 301 days since fuel have won a game
weak bolt
Both just played hyper aggro so going to get less blocked shatters
balmy wolf
yea and thats how lose map 3
weak bolt
Both played far better than Muma did earlier
tropic herald
That was Decay saying I don’t want to lose again
weak bolt
Pretty tough to be a MT in OWL at the moment I think, you need to be good on Rein & Winston and probably Ball with hero bans
tropic herald
So Dallas won
Being an MT in OWL means you have to be good at all the MTs or have a substitute MT that can cover your weak MTs
weak bolt
yep, and I think most teams dont have that
balmy wolf
titans
tropic herald
Vancouver does
weak bolt
Dallas/Valiant/WJ/Outlaws will all struggle imo
weak bolt
Philly only have Sado I think? Hopefully he doesn't get boomed at some stage
balmy wolf
the only reason why dallas won was because the other team played like actual dogshit
tropic herald
Sado to the naked eye looks cracked rn
I think Alarm FunnyAstro is quite a support line to back up Sado
balmy wolf
All im seeing from dallas is another effect carry while everyone else is bad around him
weak bolt
Imo Shock aren't great on the MT front. If Rein stays meta they may be ok, but do they have a decent Winston?
balmy wolf
thats smurf job apparently
tropic herald
Smurf is more Orisa Winston
weak bolt
Not sure i've ever seen Smurfs winston, be interesting. We know for sure SF can't play ball haha
balmy wolf
But i dont see dive ever coming back so it doesnt even matter
Smurf plays ball as well
weak bolt
It's a long season, we could see plenty of changes
tropic herald
Dive can come back but it requires nerfs and a certain pool
Plus dive has already been played
Just not OG
weak bolt
Mei nerfed soon, wouldn't surprise me if Mcree is done too
tropic herald
Yes
When rein is gone dive is good
Also Chinese teams playing a funky dive last week
So...
sullen berry
that scoreline
sullen berry
dreamer did okay
tropic herald
It wasn’t dreamers fault they lost imo
tropic herald
KSP didn’t look comfortable on the reaper and the Torb was slowly losing value throughout the series
outer zenith
A shame that the first week Mei gets banned is also the week with the least overall diversity.
balmy wolf
rain needs better sound barriers
whatever either way both teams played pretty ok for the most part, it was just seeing both teams make horrible mistakes that cost them maps
sullen berry
support were worn down this weekend against shock rematch lowkey
dry mesa
player of the year surely
supple prism
got 2 of the 3 perfectly correct
worn falcon
Wait no bans after those matches?
raw ermine
@worn falcon its in 6 hours
well, at least then next day is, then the pools will be drawn
Cause of the observance day, the chinese matches were shuffled along 1 day
sullen berry
Which means more quality OW League \o/
worn falcon
Oh true, chinese matches
just realized these haven’t been updated
sullen berry
Curiously, how can we source them if they aren't remade yet
@gaunt acorn pog week for ating, the trill of Pacific east
karmic magnet
could anybody coach me
supple prism
crystal pagoda
What’s up gamers
karmic grotto
Twitter
sullen berry
just reading it back you can hear his joy and motivation to grind another game
hopefully
to learn from his success and failures
sullen berry
live in 10 mins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf2xnmQzrxg
hazy stream
oofiee
Did Shanghai play against Seoul yet
cuz Seoul will need to teach them a lesson
jagged crater
taimou looks like he wasn't having fun with OW for 2 years
and he's out of OWL, it was the best decision for him
idle gorge
TORONTO WON AGAIN (i know it's late, i forgot they had to play lol)
hazy stream
rare magnet
there's nothing funny or interesting about playing torb in owl
hazy stream
who plays torb?
outer zenith
Everyone does this weekend.
upper niche
Have the audio production team gone to bed or something? :?
holy crap Just noticed, 12,703 viewers!
echo quest
SHITE
outer zenith
This is the US stream. It's 6 AM on EST and 3 PST on a Monday morning. Of course the numbers aren't going to look good.
slim haven
And the middle of the day in Europe on a Monday.
outer zenith
I'd be more interested in what the actual Chinese/South East Asia stream numbers look like.
upper niche
It started at 6pm in the evening in Australia, the perfect time.
sullen berry
It's always a great set of bedtimes stories from the two zhous ✌️
I think spark have got this
@dry mesa its time, we watch #pressw or #sparkbang
Nepal again for an epic map 5 showdown
upper niche
So I've discovered Marbula One... it's so much better than listening to Wolf cast OWL 😄
sullen berry
I mean at this rate
Wolf sounds like Anthony Fantano
This could be a fun 99/99
Hacced blossom 🌸
And Charlie 9 on control
That's going to cost them
slim haven
Fun match.
sullen berry
Clumsy for them to take it to map 5 for the third match in a row
outer zenith
Perhaps. 4 games down. 24 more to go.
Here's hoping this round of bans grants us a more interesting micro-meta. Never have been more bored this season whilst actually observing gameplay since Hero Pools were introduced..
sullen berry
No cats to ban Hammond now
Now that he is released to chengdu's relief
"you be my cat for this one" - wolf, to his lover achilios
slim haven
No nori boo
outer zenith
Last week we had a cat select the bans. Why not a "Wolf" this week?
Silly OWL.
Missing out on easy marketing.
I'm learning Korean on a OWL stream.
Pog
sullen berry
Wolf is a magician
Turned Korean translator
And now
Korean OW language teacher
Amazing
sullen berry
Ana had 2 cards
wintry kraken
banning in Korean, he could fake anything with help of koreans
i bet they will ban Rein
outer zenith
I know she did. I meant, WHYYYYYYY ANAAAAAA?
outer zenith
As in, I'm voicing my displeasure.
nocturne fox
raw ermine
YES
sullen berry
it's Winston?
sullen berry
What oh snap
sullen berry
no Korean esports girl in her big mech
sullen berry
Torb is the ideal candidate
weak bolt
Back to Rein/Zarya/Mcree/Mei meta this week I guess
slim haven
Fun
sullen berry
So all the players in the league can laugh at how ridiculous hero pools is when skewed in NA's favour
outer zenith
I'm soooooo ready for the Ball/Winston Dive that only Chengdu will play...
raw ermine
moira lucio
outer zenith
sullen berry
Here we go
raw ermine
yay
sullen berry
ai-ya
slim haven
Not too bad.
sullen berry
Time to bring back Happy
raw ermine
I heard 3 syllables and though
sullen berry
So-m-bra
sullen berry
Loosely speaking
sullen berry
Reaper mate
karmic grotto
Oof
sullen berry
Now now
karmic grotto
ChipSa HAS A CHANCE
karmic grotto
He was putting the cards away
outer zenith
Double Shield. Yay...
karmic grotto
I thought he was going to draw it again
sullen berry
Go back to season 2 playoffs
sullen berry
Look at those teams and tell me how Seoul will beat spark
karmic grotto
xD
sullen berry
Theoretically speaking, theyre not in the same servers together
karmic grotto
Too soon to speculate, we have to see what will happen, but please, I need to see ChipSa on the Doomfist
wait
fuck
sullen berry
Nah I love the thirst you all have only for chipsa
karmic grotto
Mccree is back
sullen berry
👏
outer zenith
Suffice it to say, I won't be watching any NA teams next week.
sullen berry
Schedule is alright
karmic grotto
wack
sullen berry
Feels too early at 8am for games
8pm for Asia server matches is awesome
But can anyone convince me that this new structure makes sense
karmic grotto
Unless they could have
sullen berry
Now that Vancouver and London have decided to move to Korea and join the Asia servers
sullen berry
China wants business to continue
And America as a media outlet screwed themselves over not listening to China
To be fair, they wouldn't
karmic grotto
Houston OutLULs vs Boston Downfalling
sullen berry
That's where most of the scuff broadcasting is happening
But we get to see a lovely rematch
At least another FOUR times this season
karmic grotto
Who can throw harder, Muma or
sullen berry
Well who can they throw
Oh hey finished before midnight here
It's Tuesday, my dudes
outer zenith
Well, Sombra and Ana are out, meaning the Outlaws still can't play their Hack-Fist/Dive composition. So, I'd imagine Boston will take it handily.
Not to mention D.Va.
sullen berry
Hell no I'm not some adolescent 🐨
mortal dune
Oh D.va's banned, been waiting for that one. Love Dva, but I wanna see how the pros adapt without her
analog lark
Torb had an 18% pick rate jeez
In the owl no less
Torb was finally meta for a week
mortal dune
Torb is actually GOOD now, mcree is just better. Torb pumps dmg out, but doesn't have awful falloff like reaper
analog lark
I mean i knew that he was good, but still, to imagine that he used to be a throw pick that people just reported in comp
Like back in 2016/2017
To an actual viable hero
mortal dune
Pretty much all of what used to be the defense class (bar widow, one-shot is always at least decent) used to be a throw pick tbh
Like Hanzo with scatter was annoying, but also terrible at the same time
echo quest
Damn SDB hasn’t played since the world cup
raw ermine
I had a dream Munchkin got signed by the SFS
tropic herald
Quite a dream
balmy wolf
Decay is the best
split ice
Why aren't some teams playing for multiple weeks? I need my NYXL to play
raw ermine
split ice
Thanks my guy
worn falcon
Twitter
tropic herald
leaden osprey
if overwatch league is going to be streaming on YT how do we get the drops?
digital cloud
for now, we don't
raw ermine
Damn
Now that taimou has retired
We only have HarryHook left in OWL from the original Envyus
tropic herald
cloud latch
pepehands
tropic herald
@raw ermine Mickie
raw ermine
tropic herald
Oh
cloud latch
Idk why but I thought you said chipsa
tropic herald
FuelsBadMan
raven socket
any chance nyxl play again?
they canceled their games because they were in new york and that stopped them from working
what if they just move to kr?
hazy pagoda
Is it worth risking the players health though
If they get sick that’s 2 or more weeks out of scrims
grizzled mango
I think nyxl already went back to korea. NY is prolly the worst place to be in world rn
hexed girder
I mean California is shut down but SF and both LA teams are still playing
digital cloud
who/what?
digital cloud
ah
karmic grotto
Contenders is a joke
digital cloud
why move to Valorant?
digital cloud
might as well go to CS:GO
karmic grotto
And good backing up T2 and T3
digital cloud
sure, but isn't it also risky?
worn falcon
apparently OW players did the same, play during the beta, forming teams
then evolved to what we have now
karmic grotto
Would be nice if devs
could push Push map mode
Nobody ain't time waiting till December to get OW2
karmic grotto
Post the tweet
cloud latch
Twitter
karmic grotto
ah
thnx
RIP Overwatch
Valorant gave them the push they needed
Blizzard SHOULD distance themselves from Activision and actually connect with some company that DOES care about healthy environment of competitive gaming
dark tinsel
= 👑
tropic herald
Suspicious developers good game
tropic herald
I don’t think so
echo quest
Sugarfree retired. Damn kid was a legit monster but he was three years away from being eligible for the league and the league doesn’t look like it will be around by that time
karmic grotto
Carpe made good decision to stay on Fusion for three more years
because then, ow is ded is they don't split themselves from evil activision
echo quest
Season 2 killed them
karmic grotto
tokens not being available is one of the biggest issues
HOW THE FUCK IS IT STILL NOT THERE
2 MONTHS AFTER HAVING THE DEAL
NOT A SINGLE SIGN OF A BETA TOKEN SYSTEM FROM FUCKING GOOGLE
Casual player base won't die, but competitive scene will
echo quest
Numlocked on Pro Overwatch: Everybody wants out. Nobody is happy with what Blizzard are doing. COVID putting extra stress on everything. People want to get out of OWL. MTL Rebellion wasn't the first and it wont be the last to pull out of OWC. Unless there are big changes it going to get worse.
tropic herald
It’s almost like the pro scene is terrible to be in
echo quest
The odd thing is other Esports viewership is going up during this time
echo quest
LPL on twitch is getting 40k people watching for trash games. People outside Asia tuning in to watch bad teams play which is crazy to me. Before that never happened
LCK is also getting 60-70k for bad team matches which is wild
karmic grotto
Even CSGO
echo quest
No doubt the league of legends regions pro scene revenue has taken hit because no more venues
But their Viewership is going up
Unlike overwatch
weak bolt
OWL viewership is an odd one, with videos now on youtube, people are more open to watching the VODs rather than the live streams
echo quest
Vods don’t mean shit. You can be on it for 30 seconds and be counted
weak bolt
Of course, but 500k views on Saturdays matches already, it's not a small number
Without tokens people are less inclined to watch live. Just watch it next day and skip the ads
echo quest
He quit too dAmn
weak bolt
T2 is going to die, that's been the case for a long time
echo quest
T2 been gone
tropic herald
Well
karmic grotto
let pros hold their own tournaments outside of pro league
weak bolt
The whole academy scheme was never going to work imo, not enough incentive for owl teams to do it
karmic grotto
to engage the viewers
tropic herald
77% of the acad teams have left
weak bolt
Why run your own academy when you can just poach from any T2 team anyway
echo quest
Blizzard just suck at esports tbh. Ngl Apex was way more entertaining than OWL
worn falcon
is too much money, plus the slots for OWL
tropic herald
It shouldn’t have been franchised
echo quest
The storylines, the beef, the godlier camera work I wish OWL has that
worn falcon
also on this COVID situation is hard too
tropic herald
Especially this early into the game
karmic grotto
OGN right?
OGN should have been the OG production group
Jeff was right
forcing owl without growing the competitive scene
bad move
weak bolt
I think a lot hinges on valorant and OW2, if Valorant turns out to be not as hyped, and OW2 brings back the players, Blizz have time to sort things
karmic grotto
which players?
echo quest
The beef between teams were the shit apex
karmic grotto
Activison blizzard greedy chinese overlords
tropic herald
Taimou
weak bolt
Was Apex ever aimed at family viewing though like OWL? It's hard to have the banter/beef while still trying to get on Disney XD
karmic grotto
echo quest
Sugarfree,Tviq,Taimou, are the biggest
karmic grotto
echo quest
@weak bolt shit was way more entertaining
karmic grotto
exactly
echo quest
With the korean players having a singing contest in front of the fans. Stupid shit like that made it so enjoyable
weak bolt
Depends who your target audience is though, maybe Blizz thought going family friendly was going to be bigger overall
karmic grotto
if it was normal competitive with apex, it would have not happened
@echo quest Runaway egirls fans group
tropic herald
Just liquidate the league after this season
weak bolt
Imo if they get to end of S3 OWL and OW looks in a good position, open up franchise for 10+ more teams. Create 3 or 4 leagues with the finals all coming together at end
karmic grotto
OGN fitted OWL competitive scene so much
perfectly made for each other
until.... ACTIVISION
echo quest
Tanizhq: MTL Rebellion got dropped. I am moving to Valorant since OW Tier 2 is fully dead. Can't even blame the OAM/Toronto for making this decision, since getting 1k viewers max on the contenders stream isn't worth any level of investment.
karmic grotto
Yup
weak bolt
Everyone should take a drink when an OW player declares they are becoming a valorant pro
tropic herald
SDB not retired but took a break
karmic grotto
OGN is the only good production team, and APEX the only great competitive invironment
OGN x APEX = MADNESS
echo quest
They should. Shit is ass now
karmic grotto
Because you know what?
weak bolt
What happens if Valorant turns out to be awful
karmic grotto
If APEX was a thing
weak bolt
Where do all these T2 players go
karmic grotto
Those standalone teams as Runaway would have had esports orgs or other orgs backing them up
echo quest
The new format for T2 is such fucking garbage
karmic grotto
You can have Runaway, KDP, Envy running APEX and still getting good salary
echo quest
They were cutting cost
raw ermine
I came back to this chat and sarcastically thought, "ok, I have return after 5 minutes, whose retired now?" and lo and behold, the kyb tweet
yikes
weak bolt
Valorant Pro's is literally just becoming 1 giant meme now
karmic grotto
How was Apex and OGN paid?
weak bolt
Twitter
tropic herald
Twitter
echo quest
Old contender format was eh but miles better than the current one
tropic herald
Maybe this will be a good wake up to Blizzard
weak bolt
Imo it could be win-win for Blizzard
If Valorant is good for Pros, they can go full casual focus on OW2
karmic grotto
we have have higher quality matches if teams werent split up to OWL franchise
we could have*
weak bolt
If Valorant turns crap, they can fall back on OWL
echo quest
Pengu and Gull had like a 4 hour convo on esports and Pengu said a way r6’s pro interest was increased was having a shit ton of pugs between the pros. That got banned by OwL for some fucking reason
And they killed every non Contender tournament
karmic grotto
Example: Old Runaway (S2), vs New Runaway (before they got signed for S3)
EM vs Selfless gaming
Envy vs KDP
echo quest
BK stars
tropic herald
Selfless
echo quest
Too
echo quest
Such good teams
tropic herald
Giganti
weak bolt
That was what, like 4-5 years ago now though?
tropic herald
Seeing so many teams
karmic grotto
that were in pro scene
tropic herald
That are gone
echo quest
Seagull talked about this with Pengu (Siege pro) when they had a long conversation about e-sports. Basically compared how CSGO players just play PUGS all the time which not only is good entertainment for stream and good competitive practice for players but also helps give exposure to the pros who don't stream by appearing on those who's do streams.
weak bolt
Not that many games out there that keep a pro scene going for that long either (Exceptions for LoL/CSGO)
karmic grotto
I remember jayne hosting a few pugs
of semi pros
that shit was awesome
casual, but good matches between pros and 4.4k players
But blizzard kills
echo quest
Jake hosted the pugs guys like Sinatraa were getting 10k viewers
karmic grotto
the viewers option
echo quest
And then one day it was banned
karmic grotto
^^^^^^
echo quest
For some reason
karmic grotto
We could still have had the big streamers
echo quest
It wasn’t even limited to the pros
weak bolt
I thought Pro Pugs just had to be requested of Blizz, didn't think they flat out refused them all?
karmic grotto
What OW should have done, is working together with OGN and APEX
tropic herald
If it isn’t during a match who cares
echo quest
OW’s elite like Calvin,Wraxu
weak bolt
They should have just said host all the pro pugs you like, but on PTR. Then you get full testing of balance changes too...
karmic grotto
Doesn't matter @weak bolt they killed everything
Everything to attract viewers
anything to attract fans
weak bolt
Imo it's just a case of the game getting older anyway, there are new shiny things out there so viewership is always going to drop
karmic grotto
Runaway KR? Then Korean homestand. LFZ China? Then Chinese homestand
echo quest
Everyone was in it Profit,SBB,SDB,EQO,Libero. Basically the best of the best
It was way more fun to watch
Than comp
Deadass
weak bolt
How many of the big OW streamers jumped to Fortnite/Realm Royale etc when that came out
echo quest
TYLER1 had his own mini tournament and it got 100k viewers. Blizzard would never allow that
tropic herald
Tim is the first that comes to mind
weak bolt
Root problem imo is OW as a game is losing it's attraction, rather than the pro scene. I bet majority of people barely play compared to 3 years ago
karmic grotto
this shit is way better than owl season 1
THEY HAVE FREAKING CHAIRS AND DESK
and sponsors
look at this
echo quest
@weak bolt the thing is ow is by no means dying
weak bolt
dying nope, but is it as popular as 3 years ago? no where near
weak bolt
I am curious how many of these players who are jumping to Valorant, if no pro scene emerges reasonably quickly, or they fail to make it, will flood back for OW2
karmic grotto
And it still could have been
if BLIZZARD
didn't kill it
or better said
ACCTIVISION
echo quest
Blizzard made a brain dead decision killing non Blizzard tournaments
Those Monthly Beats tournaments were pog too
karmic grotto
monthly beats?
weak bolt
Blizzard are a business, they do whatever makes them most money. Creating 400mil buyin league probably more profitable than letting community run tournaments
karmic grotto
Haven't heard of them
weak bolt
Only HyP is the shock there imo, the rest are either washed up or never made it to OWL, and are now risking it all on Valorant
echo quest
OW2 to succeed as a t1 esport needs actual promotion also for its T2 scenes,Marketing players,Stop constant changes,better balancing and to not kill non blizzard tournaments