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raw ermine
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HAHAHAh

jagged crater
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not the legs

raw ermine
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Nooooo

worn falcon
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Called one!

jagged crater
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imagine tracer

clear crane
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not tracer plz

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plzzz

twin kettle
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plz hit mei

frozen perch
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33% CHANCE

upper niche
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Guess Stratus is gonna play Sombra

blissful heron
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Legs.....

upper niche
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or Corey

raw ermine
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oop

wintry kraken
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Double legs

raw ermine
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soldier double banned

clear crane
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lmfaoooo

worn falcon
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Double legs

outer zenith
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Triple banned.

clear crane
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what are the odds

raw ermine
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HAHAHAHA

outer zenith
raw ermine
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3 WEEKS

wintry kraken
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3x

worn falcon
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Triple

twin kettle
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hit another solider

jagged crater
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sombra oK

clear crane
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OMGGGGGG

outer zenith
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHA

upper niche
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He really doesnt want Soldier picked

outer zenith
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DIVE DEAD

raw ermine
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oooh

outer zenith
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ACCEPT YOUR FATE

worn falcon
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CALLED IT

raw ermine
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better than tracer

worn falcon
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Ayyyyyy

upper niche
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Corey is so ffffffff

twin kettle
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nooo

frozen perch
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WHAT KIND OF CRUEL GOD IS PROTECTING MEI

green stump
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LOL

upper niche
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Corey on Widow?

clear crane
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We just replacing lucio with brig

outer zenith
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That's an all-star ban list.

jagged crater
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theoretically mei can never be banned

outer zenith
clear crane
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thats pretty much it

twin kettle
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here comes a week of bunker boys

green stump
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@limber pine Time to update the Bot sir!
Next week for OWL POOL...
Winston, Lucio, Solider 76 and Sombra Banned!

balmy wolf
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who the hell decided to use a non weighted system

raw ermine
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lulululululululul

upper niche
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Yeah, Josh is on it.

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Rein/Dva, Mei/McCree, Ana/Brig.

sullen berry
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FDGod more like
FDGone from the pool

clear crane
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2 weeks in a row mei lives

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lmfaooo

upper niche
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Mei and McCree need a nerf, hurry up Bliz.

jagged crater
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dont worry we'll see fdgod on his classy brig

twin kettle
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Mei is about to get pretty hard

outer zenith
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FunnyAstro skating towards the bench.

jagged crater
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mei is bout to be nerfed

clear crane
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FunnyAstro can play a good brig

balmy wolf
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lol 90% pickrate for dva and winston gets banned

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what a joke

clear crane
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but yea RIP FDGod

jagged crater
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are the nerfs going to be applied next week?

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the dva and mei nerf

analog lark
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oh god I'm gonna hate next week

raw ermine
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so many duplicate teams

sullen berry
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Gotta love the return of the rein ecks dee

twin kettle
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rein may not come back this week

analog lark
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I miss legs and frog

twin kettle
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we may have a lot of bunker

analog lark
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and monkey

clear crane
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Soldier banned for 3 weeks 🙂

sullen berry
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Paris has eaten all the frogs 🐸

outer zenith
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Convenient that Houston plays their last match for a month just before Winston gets banned.

green stump
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There you go sprite

twin kettle
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poor soldier

green stump
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He just came back!

sullen berry
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@green stump thank you, as someone watching in 144p on the go

twin kettle
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becomes viable in the first time in years

balmy wolf
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seriously

twin kettle
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gets banned over mei

green stump
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Mei, forever never banned in OWL

frozen perch
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RNGJesus favors Mei

balmy wolf
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who the hell thought not weighing the bans was a good idea?

limber pine
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!!owlpool

blissful heron
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Mei is pulling the strings kekw

twin kettle
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I dont know about you guys

sullen berry
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Soldier should have not that much impact

young fractalBOT
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The current Map Pool for OWL is:

Control: Ilios, Busan, Lijiang Tower, Oasis, Nepal
Assault: Hanamura, Horizon Lunar Colony, Temple of Anubis
Hybrid: Blizzard World, Eichenwalde, King's Row
Escort: Havana, Junkertown, Dorado

The current Hero Pool for OWL is:

Tank: Winston
Damage: Soldier: 76, Sombra
Support: Lucio

twin kettle
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But i think this confirms mei is satan

sullen berry
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Nice!

wintry kraken
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Not like soldier would have been played anyway

green stump
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This is Laxus's worst time line

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Cheers Sprite

limber pine
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o7

green stump
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Next week though....is gonna be....something

wintry kraken
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With Cree back, soldier was going back to chair anyway

sullen berry
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Just a question, but does zepp parse server emojis? @young fractal

twin kettle
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I hope next week is something exciting

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but this ban set makes me scared of bunker mei

sullen berry
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Oh sorry that was for sprite lol

outer zenith
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It's not about whether or not Soldier would get played next week, it's the fact that he's banned while Mei still breathes.

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Also, Toronto is double fucked next week.

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No Sombra or Winston to play Dive.

frozen perch
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I am NOT looking forward to next week

twin kettle
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Hopefully it is ok

balmy wolf
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pfffft nah

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its just gonna be mei/rein comps all over again with a sniper

twin kettle
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but weaking rein and winston opens up orisa

worn falcon
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Next week is back to McCree/Mei

sullen berry
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Whose ready to dive with Hammond?

worn falcon
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And carpe unchained again

balmy wolf
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lol dive doesnt exist against mei/mcree

worn falcon
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And Brig

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Ayyyyy

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Gonna be a slow paced match

limpid estuary
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Did they show the pickrates that determined this week's bans?

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I cant seem to find the video

midnight sage
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Yes

celest spear
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^

limpid estuary
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Did someone save a screenshot of them

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Youtube live is shit and doesnt publish streams

balmy wolf
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dva was the highest pickrate

limpid estuary
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Or maybe I just dont know how to use it

balmy wolf
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support was actually pretty even for the most part in pickrate

midnight sage
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Pickrates and the pool draw starts around that timestamp

brisk canyon
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boston the new houston

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this year

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yey, lets keep that going

worn falcon
limpid estuary
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Thanks

supple prism
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well i guessed soldier correctly

worn falcon
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i guessed both correctly, but i wouldn't guessed triple soldier thanks to Sideshow

robust merlin
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:0

balmy wolf
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Why did they do a raffle again?

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They said blizzard would choose who’s banned

midnight sage
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Back by popular demand

upper niche
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Hm. I wonder what the chances of part of weeks 14 and 20 being canceled are. Both weeks 22/23 are also in Guangzhou, and 24 in Shanghai.

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25+26 in Chengdu.

next mesa
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wtf? clockwork vendetta acquires asking LOL

limpid estuary
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They said blizzard would choose who’s banned
For competitive. OWL they said was always gonna be a raffle.

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- The heroes will be randomly selected from a group of eligible heroes based on play-rate data from the previous two weeks of Overwatch League matches—only heroes that are being played regularly can be pulled from the next hero pool.
- No hero will be unavailable two weeks in a row.
- Hero Pools will not be used for the midseason tournament, the play-in tournament, playoffs, or Grand Finals. All heroes will be available for those matches.
- Teams will be informed of each week’s Hero Pool approximately one week in advance of matches. 
jagged crater
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i like how all heroes are available for tournaments and playoffs

hidden vault
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Actually china is safer as compared to the rest of the world now

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At least the situation in china isnt spreading

upper niche
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"the china situation isn't spreading"? Hey, depends on the topic at hand!

hidden vault
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:p

rocky jay
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china is safer

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tell that to Dr Li, oh wait, you can't, he was dead before his own governement believed him

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i'm sure it'll all miraculously go away when it gets a little warmer tracerkek

balmy wolf
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China isn't really known for accurate reporting of their own debacles

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Virus's however do have a trend of weakening or going away during the summer seasons.

timid vigil
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china isnt really known

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xd

balmy wolf
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whos banned for next week

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or this week

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For OWL
Winston, Lucio, Sombra, Soldier 76

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For comp

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No idea; it goes different from OWL

thin topaz
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Ok I got some questions:

Why is the guangzhou matchday cancelled? Corona?

And in which interval do the teams play? Some play like every week, some like every 3 weeks. I don't get it... Can anyone help me out?

It's really hard to follow as a newcomer that is only used to soccer 🙈

sullen berry
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for context before i go answering this, see first link

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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
sullen berry
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that's the original schedule - here's Guangzhou's Chief Ops Eddy Meng back in January before the season started

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since then it was going to be all games hosted in china were cancelled

thin topaz
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Ah okay, that sounds reasonable :) thank you

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Ok so there is no real schedule of "each team plays every 2 weeks"? It's more of a schedule you need to follow?

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And they only play inside the divisions?

sullen berry
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they play inside their divisions initially

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then after week 7/8 we start getting homestands starting to cross over conferences

thin topaz
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So they play 2 games inside the conference and 1 game cross conference?

But for what are the divisions?

sullen berry
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I was going to say this is pretty obvious if you think about it, apparently not

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take this cutout

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Atlantic Conference
North Division
South Division

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Pacific Conference
East Division
West Division

hidden vault
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And soo we will be seeimg poko moustache?

digital brook
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hey guys

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any news from owl tokens?

hot heart
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Not to my knowledge no

digital brook
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r they even going to bring it back?

limber pine
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probably

limber pine
naive garden
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Oof

hot heart
balmy wolf
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Oof

compact rover
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crisp storm
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😢

raw ermine
short quest
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Woop woop! Let's go Florida Mayhem!

tame valley
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I agree, go Florida!

short quest
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I'm from Florida too and their redesigns for the skins are SICK.

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Overwatch League (@overwatchleague)
Justice was most definitely served ⚖️

Another incredible #OWL2020 weekend in the books, now we're off to the Sunshine State ☀️

See ya soon @FLMayhem 😎

Twitter

cloud latch
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same their skins are cool

short quest
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They're doing really good!

jagged crater
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i miss danny

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is emily still part of OWL? Havent seen her

limber pine
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Hard to tell since there hasn’t been Asia homestands

balmy wolf
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@crisp storm go commit death-pacito

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when does spitfire play next

raw ermine
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next week, on sat vs philly and then on sun vs reign

balmy wolf
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honestly winnable

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maye

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maybe

jagged crater
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how do balance patches work in OWL? Very confused about it

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lets say mei and dva nerf hits live next week. What then?

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Since there's no stages anymore

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There's no clear "break" for OWL schedule besides mid-season tournament

gaunt acorn
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owl keeps roughly in-sync with live patches

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they made that clear before the season began

jagged crater
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so an untested live patch gives teams only 4 days to prep for the weekend?

gaunt acorn
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it's not 1:1

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owl doesn't switch the same day the update goes live

jagged crater
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well im assuming update is tuesday usually

gaunt acorn
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but they said they aim to follow the live patch cycle

jagged crater
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that gives teams 4 days before weekend

gaunt acorn
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it may be a week longer, who's to say

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they didn't make any specific promises

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only that with the removal of stages, there was no longer an artificial 'barrier' to patches

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and they'd follow suit much faster

jagged crater
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hero bans already a weekly thing so that'll keep the coaches busy

upper niche
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I just want them to introduce horizontally flipped maps.

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That'll keep the coaches/teams busy.

jagged crater
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that'll screw with the players' mind so much

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coaches got more things to worry about ;O

raw ermine
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vertically flipped next

upper niche
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Then, after horizontally flipped maps: Palette shuffle/texture shuffle 😄

raw ermine
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voice lines swap

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rein ult is zen saying "I will not juggle"

upper niche
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Patch 1.48 changes: Players may now bind their ultimate voice line to a hot key.

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You know it would just be players running around as Sym spamming "Yahi param vaastavikata hai!"

raw ermine
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I always thought it would be funny if characters had something like than, but before finishing, they would cut themselves off and laugh at you saying, something along the lines of "haha got you!"

hidden vault
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Btw can sym's ult be interrupted?

supple prism
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i think no

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since its instant cast

balmy wolf
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Some can provided you actually can stop the mid cast time

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I once had Nano cancelled

sullen berry
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There are a surprising number of ults which will cancel out if you can catch the exact frames they can be stunned: Sym, Rein, Hammond, Ana, moira, lucio, genji, hanzo... it goes on

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Could be a matter of ping outside of OWL which are on LAN

balmy wolf
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The only ult I can say that probably can't be cancelled are: Trans and DVA bomb

uneven wren
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infra sight can't be cancelled either

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i don't think mines can be either

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though just shoot/shield mines lol

bright cypress
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mines can get cancelled

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the stun has to be perfect

hidden vault
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Did you cancel a nano by stun?

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All transformation ults cannot be canceled

balmy wolf
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no I got canceled

hidden vault
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By stun?

balmy wolf
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Yes

hidden vault
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Interesting

balmy wolf
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Nano can be "cancelled" in two ways

hidden vault
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Yeah I got that

balmy wolf
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It can be cancelled during the small animation of Ana giving it
Or be cancelled before the nano reaches the target

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It's more common to cancel it the second method

hidden vault
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Which means you have to kill the target

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Does killing ana works?

balmy wolf
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Yea but you can absolutely stun ana as it comes out but that's significantly more rare

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It does but Ana typically won't die fast enough

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it is possible tho

hidden vault
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Doesn't when projectile leaves ana

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It will reach the target doesn't matter if ana survives

sullen berry
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That’s right, this is the moment between activating nano on a target

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And before it registers on said target. It’s a timeframe so short if you stun the Ana you completely cancel the nano boost animation

hidden vault
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Alrights thanks

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I wonder why we never seen that in league

balmy wolf
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Cause it's like literally next to instantaneous

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and the nano boost is very fast and small

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and also cause the timing for it is very hard to stop

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Stopping a sombra EMP is easier than stopping Nano

hidden vault
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Of course

upper niche
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@bright cypress I learned the other day that Sigma can eat Junkrats last laugh 😄

sullen berry
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@thin topaz so not sure if you missed this, but here's the list of conference and division which should be easy to follow
Anyone who doesn't know this by now just have to think it through or are geography challenged by OW League standards

thin topaz
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Tha makes a lot more sense to me. 😅
Sorry I am not so familiar with all citys in the US.... @sullen berry

sullen berry
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nah don't be too intimidated by the number of cities in the US, I didn't know them at first either

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remembering the split by conference A and conference P will make this a little less harder to have to remember

hot heart
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Atlantic stacked af

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Pacific east is literally non existent rn

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F

karmic grotto
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Blame the calendar

sullen berry
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they're literally nonexistent

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pacific west who aren't in china

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have played a total of 4 matches between 5 teams

karmic grotto
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They should do the matches online or in an offline arena

sullen berry
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I'm not sure if i should start to doubt the games being played sooner

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it will definitely be an offline arena

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chances are, they lose out on revenue and play these without broadcasting when they wanted to move the games to Korea

karmic grotto
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owl started in the 8th of february (if im correct), it's like 4 weeks later, and some teams havent played a single game

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And Shock doesn't play until week 6/7/8

sullen berry
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they need find some kind of middle ground so that they benefit financially and to reduce (not eliminate) 4-6 week marathon of make up games

karmic grotto
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There is. People who want to go the homestand should get themselves checked

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If they don't have Corona

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They can enter the building

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Before entering, people should disinfect their hands

thin topaz
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That is the thing why I asked in the first place

I started watching owl in the last playoffs and I really liked nyxl, shock and Vancouver. But except from nyxl I don't see any games right now

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For the first few weeks at least

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And because I am used to a weekly / biweekly schedule from most sports (or even starcraft back in the day), I was really confused on when they play or bot

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Not*

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I still am. The schedule is clear. But it doesn't make any real sense to me. It's less of an "I know they play next week and 2 weeks after" than a "I must check the schedule to see when they are playing"

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Which is really counterintuitive

limpid estuary
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Wait hold up, the teams on the west of the Pacific are the East division?

karmic grotto
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ye

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CONTENDERS TODAY

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21:00 (my time)

analog lark
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Can we get an F to S76

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Spent one week being played before hero pools said a hard no

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And meanwhile the ice demon is still allowed

brisk canyon
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S

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you’ll get anything but an F

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A

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D

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G

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@analog lark

analog lark
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Okay

brisk canyon
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.3. @analog lark

analog lark
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Also I'm scared of what overwatch will look like without speed

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Lucio is vital to most metas

balmy wolf
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I expect most teams run standard but with brig or zen instead of lucio

limber pine
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we've already seen Rein comps with Bap or Brig two weeks ago

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it's gonna be similar

hidden vault
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Well technically if go west from the west

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It would be the east

tropic herald
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I wonder if Winston our means Rein in or Ball simply replaces Winston

cloud latch
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our?

tropic herald
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Out

supple prism
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Without lucio? Rein might be iffy but brig might still work

karmic grotto
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What the heck is wrong with client?

tropic herald
hidden vault
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rein in

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meta will just go back to the previous week

tropic herald
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With what on the divey maps?

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Rein

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Or ball

balmy wolf
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Ball wont get play cause he is literally to easy to counter with Mei and or ball

supple prism
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you mean sombra

balmy wolf
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I meant brig

tropic herald
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If Mei doesn’t get banned this weekend

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Man

balmy wolf
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It’s play rate time

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So like depends on what and how many people run what

tropic herald
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Ik

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But they should make the tickets per % not even across the board

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That would help

balmy wolf
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I’d rather them just move it to like above 20%

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Make things way easier instead of banning soldier and sombra

tropic herald
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And potentially weigh the ones like Mei heavier

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Bc what

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She had 80% playtime over 4 weeks

sullen berry
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@limpid estuary maybe it's the formatting of my post, should say Atlantic is North/South and Pacific is East/West

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Hence how we ended up with scores from Dallas Homestand's 4 games

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And they keep showing titans and shock on the top for some reason

limpid estuary
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Nah its not your post

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I looked it up

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Blizz fucked up

sullen berry
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Oh yes they did

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It starts with splitting Texas into two different divisions, but maybe it was a marketing approach

limpid estuary
sullen berry
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I think they were going by modern convention

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East Asia

limpid estuary
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Yeah they were. But Pacific East being the west of the Pacific is amusing

sullen berry
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Spaghetti westerns or whatever the West is defined

supple prism
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Wild WIld

sullen berry
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Okay, it turns out I might know why I get Toronto and Vancouver confused now

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If they are geographically West of the Pacific ocean

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That makes so much sense

brisk canyon
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Paris

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Went besserk

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After losing to worse team lol

vivid skiff
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Can't wait till I become rank 1 lol

balmy wolf
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how far away are you

sullen berry
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Not how far, but how close ZaryaAlert

hidden vault
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Well if you flip it around they are in the correct place

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With the atlantic division inbetween

idle gorge
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toronto- justice this weekend, justice is going to win 0-3 and i hate the fact that i know i'm right :(

balmy wolf
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Yo

tropic herald
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Paris

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F

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supple prism
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Another damn survey

brisk canyon
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I would like to see more toxicity in gameplays to enhance game quality

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T-bags, staggers, taunts should be used more often

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Especially to de morale the enemy team,
Cause drama or anger would greatly improve game activity

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Spawn kills and C9 to troll the enemy team should also be used

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Thank u good bye

cloud latch
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selfless?

wintry kraken
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so how long until OWL switches to online only format ?

hot heart
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Never?

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They should

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But OWL is dumb sometimes

balmy wolf
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I was going to London homestand :((

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I’m so sad

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did you get a refund?

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they are doing a faq

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they just announced it now so I’ll see

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only 70 quid for two tickets

strong plaza
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I mean the entire League is nuked. Should just start planning for next season.

tough gorge
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Its quite unfortunate that blizz tries to do something different this year and then the corona virus came and was like nope

tropic herald
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They should just do online

bronze scroll
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Can the world just stop being a panic animal pls.

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Everybody is making this way bigger then it is

karmic grotto
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this is bs, sorry, this outrage is exaggerated af.

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They act like it's some deadly virus that kills every infected regardless of age. Media making this waaaaaaaaay bigger than it is

bronze scroll
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Yep

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More people die from the common flue then from corona

tropic herald
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Doesn’t change that the virus is an unknown as of now, that’s the biggest fear out there

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With its long incubation making quarantine the safest way to slow it until it’s fully understood

balmy wolf
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The Corona virus is infectious and while most young people won't die, the people they come in contact to with compromised immune systems can.
Also cause China had SARS last time and didn't report it until it was too late and that's kinda what it was now too so people are a bit on edge.

bronze scroll
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Still, people are making this way to big

tropic herald
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Albeit this is an overreaction on some people

limber pine
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just because young people don't die from it doesn't mean they can't be carriers and spread it to areas where it can be more deadly

balmy wolf
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Basically kids, the elderly, and people with autoimmune diseases can be infected and thus are at higher threat

karmic grotto
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The same can be said about any virus, where's the outrage in that?

balmy wolf
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And idk if you know this but there be a lot of kids and elderly and because it's new we don't have a treatment for it. It's also much more infectious than the flu.

bronze scroll
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I am not saying they cant be carriers. But then what, the virus originated from a fish, are we now going to quarantine all animals. I am getting a bit ridiculous here but you guys know what i mean.

karmic grotto
#

Let's say wait until end of the year

#

And compare Corona to common flu

limber pine
#

Corona is more deadly

clear crane
#

If u have a family member who dies from this virus, you wouldn’t be doing all this talking right now

limber pine
#

with reported numbers that is

idle saffron
#

i mean, that happened with swine flu. the infected animals were quarantined to control the virus.

raw ermine
#

Oh my gosh this is massive

#

Sad to see

idle saffron
#

so yes, quarantining animals would indeed (and has) happened

raw ermine
#

But you gotta do what Ya gotta do

idle saffron
#

ye

bronze scroll
#

I am done, yes the virus is something to be carefull with, yes (individual) people should take precautions, especially vulnerable people, no its not this big and dangerous as all the Media is making it, but its the best news they can find, so they will keep blowing it up until people start loosing interest.

limber pine
#

canceled conventions and events say otherwise

balmy wolf
#

See I get where you're coming from but at the end of the day the effect is still real. People are dying. The elderly and children and people with compromised immune systems are still at risk. Updating where the corona virus is spreading to helps even if they are total fear mongering about it.

idle saffron
#

it's the unknowns causing the panic. as we learn more about this specific virus, the panic will go away and the cures will increase. but while scientists and researchers are working on developing effective vaccines for this strain, the panic is somewhat warranted.

#

only somewhat though

clear crane
#

You have global markets crashing, entire cities quarantined, schools closing, health experts who study disease for a living saying this is a major issue. Yea it’s a big deal.

raw ermine
#

It's a global pandemic now.

karmic grotto
#

Just because WHO says it is, doesn't mean it is

#

Media makes market crash

#

wake up

clear crane
#

Again, I don’t wish for this on anyone but unless u have a family member who dies from this, you’re going to remain ignorant

karmic grotto
#

I had an aunt (still alive, recovered) stage 4 cancer, why exactly should I be scared for this?

clear crane
#

I wish her the best of luck. I lost my dad to lung cancer 13 years ago. I didn’t say for u to be scared. I said that people need to be aware and recognize it’s a major global issue

karmic grotto
#

I agree with that

celest spear
#

SAVED PogChimp

jagged crater
#

so how many homestands is washington going to get?

celest spear
#

Justice only had one homestand between now to the end of April

karmic grotto
#

good

#

finally pete doing something good

raw ermine
#

phew

balmy wolf
#

I think they are only going to be doing online matches

#

idk How that will work

karmic grotto
#

online

#

offline LAN, but online streamed

balmy wolf
#

yes like that I think

#

idk

wintry kraken
#

so, will the bans apply to next round, or the soldier 76 is saved from the ban ?

balmy wolf
#

@wintry kraken id assume it would apply to the next week of matches

wintry kraken
#

@balmy wolf yeah, but there is no... matches this weekend :P. but yeah, probably it means next round

patent yoke
#

chipsa when

hot heart
#

Never

sullen berry
hidden vault
#

Can't he get to the US 1st?

#

Why does his visa take so long?

sullen berry
#

external factors, likely processing time from the embassy it was sent for approval

#

guess we'll just never know...

#

(while in the US)
how much of an impact he could have made in the regular season

jagged crater
#

we might actually get to see chipsa, but being online just aint the same

#

i want to see his smug face up on the stage

karmic grotto
#

Huh

#

ChipSa

#

Lmao

#

Fusion won't take any chances

#

Unless they scrim ChipSa on a map he has been practicing alot

#

Not sure which map is his best

jagged crater
#

Every map is his best

tropic herald
karmic grotto
#

Isn't today KR contenders?

hot heart
#

Nope

#

The 19th apparently

#

@karmic grotto

raw ermine
#

I feel like this should be here

celest spear
#

The OWL store leaked Krystal to Hunters WidowLUL

raw ermine
#

my discord crashed when I saw this so I think they don't want us too know

#

lets hope krystal acts better

hot heart
#

Wtf

#

Also

#

Krystal pog

balmy wolf
#

Krystal going to fuck over hunters too

brisk canyon
#

@celest spear why r u buying chengdu shirts :((

tawny sigil
#

is the league cancelled?

limber pine
#

no

#

Googling your question will tell you as much.

tawny sigil
#

should happen any minute now

#

its like the only thing that's not cancelled at this point

hot heart
#

Corona virus is cancelling E3 and Pax east

#

And ofc peoples lives but e3 man

forest whale
#

so are hero pools gonna change today confirmed?

balmy wolf
#

@tawny sigil all of the events in March and April are cancelled but the games will be streamed elsewhere

blissful heron
#

Does this mean the chinese teams are back?

hot heart
#

Honestly idk

#

But id think so

celest spear
hot heart
#

FUCK MY FUCKING LIFE WHY

#

Wait

#

Waaait

#

He might move to another team

balmy wolf
#

outlaws suck dick

supple prism
#

Avast is interviewing Blase on his twitch

celest spear
#

Speaking of Outlaws

#

Their GM (FLAME) is now gone

karmic grotto
#

XD

#

Houston

balmy wolf
#

he was a shit GM

#

glad he's gone

worn falcon
#

Operation manager quits too

tropic herald
#

This leads me to believe that something is happening behind the scenes that’s probably real ugly

hot heart
#

Probably

#

This org is kind of shit

karmic grotto
#

no wonder

hot heart
#

Their GM was an absolute Pepega

karmic grotto
#

It's their fault, not the players

hot heart
#

Yeah

karmic grotto
#

management is a shitshow

sullen berry
#

They'd risk overworking themselves to death with having not been paid for shit

karmic grotto
#

But they're not bringing lots of results tho..

hot heart
#

Maybe because theyre tired

#

Honestly quitting was the best choice

#

Why not

sullen berry
#

When you read back on his recent tweets and he can't afford a massage for a knot in his back, the org has never, I repeat NEVER, was in a good condition long enough for players or coaches to perform at their best

karmic grotto
#

They need to change that

#

Even Mayhem changed

#

Dragons changed

hot heart
#

They're not going to change

karmic grotto
#

Why tf not Houston?

hot heart
#

Houstan i have no faith in

#

Dragons and mayhem i did

#

Houstan are just something else entirely

karmic grotto
#

they bought their way in

#

best thing for them to do

#

is to change their staff

hot heart
#

Yes

karmic grotto
#

the players are fine imo

hot heart
#

What

#

The fuck

sullen berry
#

For realztairong is still waiting to get paid

#

Still on their coaching staff with Dream

karmic grotto
#

maybe he got paid

sullen berry
#

MESR is going to have better opportunities

karmic grotto
#

but their staff is a shitshow

sullen berry
#

@karmic grotto and fair enough, its been months since that post

karmic grotto
#

better to quit a sinking boat, than

#

drowning on/with it

hot heart
#

Idk much about outlaws' owners

#

Idk much about outlaws' owners

#

Idk much about outlaws' owners

#

But im assuming their bad or dont know anything

#

Wtf

#

My wifi just shit itself

#

Welp

#

RIP me

sullen berry
#

People love to make out a redemption arc for themselves, flame really had brought the Houston Outlaws up in the past 3 years

#

So that might be why it wasn't like him to abandon his business baby with the funding behind him

karmic grotto
#

?

sullen berry
#

Yeah our WiFi probably went garbo

#

Assume discord is having issues? Never! /s

hidden vault
#

Yeah there's no reasom why flame would leave

#

He wss doing well

worn falcon
#

stress and overwork seems

gaunt acorn
#

@worn falcon seems far more likely he was fired

#

as implied by his original tweet

worn falcon
#

Yeh, thats what i thought too, oh well

hidden vault
#

What kind of strat is that to kick him?

gaunt acorn
#

@hidden vault that question begins and ends with 'houston ownership'

hidden vault
#

At least I'm happy for the guy

#

He can rest now

sullen berry
#

And look towards Valorant, unless he’d like to take a punt backwards to opportunities in CDL or the like

supple prism
#

Its Houston, the amount of bad decisions they make makes it all seem intentional.

sullen berry
#

The fact that harsha is on as head coach kinda shows he was taken off Vancouver without any objection

#

At least here in camp Outlaws, he gets to coach

#

Even if everything is on fire for reasons beyond their control

karmic grotto
#

You know what I would bet

#

I bet Nai would be a better coach than Harsha. #ProveMeWrong

hidden vault
#

Who is Nai lol

sullen berry
#

A gamemaster

#

@green stump

#

What would your credentials be as a coach for Houston Outlaws lmao

karmic grotto
#

Nai?

#

Maybe just that

#

I mean, coach of Paris has Rush, 4 letters

austere adder
#

Is the match still on for tomorrow?

#

And when?

gaunt acorn
#

@austere adder the schedule should remain unchanged

austere adder
#

I can't find any info on tomorrow's games though

gaunt acorn
#

i think the schedule on the website is broken because of no homestands

#

check here

hidden vault
#

Does that mean the pacfic games be back?

#

Pacific east

jagged crater
#

Flame went thru hell first 2 seasons, seems kinda odd he would just leave now all of a sudden

#

Did the homestand cancellations finally do it?

hidden vault
#

Read above^

limber pine
green stump
#

@sullen berry not good as my mechanics knowledge would need to be much more formidable

karmic grotto
#

Mechanics knowledge?

#

About how hero abilities work?

hearty remnant
#

Do any of u guys know when BlitzChung will be unbanned?

acoustic pagoda
#

nope

#

idk

limber pine
#

6 months

#

It's over soon

green stump
#

My game sense and analyticals are pretty good, but my mechanics are not the best @karmic grotto basically to get a full return on abilities in a pro setting

karmic grotto
#

Is this as a player, or as coach? If as coach, what do you mean with < basically to get a full return on abilities in a pro setting

raw ermine
#

rip mid season tourney

hot heart
#

Fucking Corona virus

dawn vale
#

that sucks. i'm kinda sad the allstar game is moving too

bright notch
#

Can someone explain to me why Vancouver Titans have zero games between february 8 and may 16?

karmic grotto
#

Cause roster is shitty

bright notch
#

why would a team's roster stop them from having any games?

tropic herald
#

Ok

#

So basically

#

Every game between March and April is unscheduled as of now

#

And Vancouver only got to play games bc they weren’t in China for February

bright notch
#

Any reason they weren't in China for February?

tropic herald
#

Bc the games they played were not in China

bright notch
#

I don't follow. What stopped them from having games scheduled in February?

tropic herald
#

China had a little virus

#

And Vancouver plays in the same conference as all the Chinese teams

bright notch
#

Oh, so they just cancelled any games that were set in china?

tropic herald
#

Yes

bright notch
#

And Vancouver had 3 weeks of games there?

tropic herald
#

They would’ve been in China for later February

#

Or Korea

#

But neither place was safe or is rn

bright notch
#

gotcha

supple prism
#

Canceled homesteads and whatnot

midnight sage
#

Have you heard about covid-19? Lol

balmy wolf
#

no

wintry kraken
#

just a headsup, contenders stream starting soon; there are two contenders youtube channels, and streams are only on one of them

tropic herald
#

Which region?

karmic grotto
#

?

balmy wolf
#

eu

#

BH 3-2 SMC

#

SMC won map 1 just due to BH ff

#

map 2 BH playing with a coach in australia

#

then danned came in and BH didnt lose a point

short sparrow
#

Dannedd had a power outage

#

And ran to his mums house

#

3km away

#

With pc

vivid bough
#

has there been any news about a command center for youtube?

#

or a way to earn tokens watching

strong haven
#

Thinking of starting an Overwatch team, anyone want to help start one?

woven hill
#

I need a serious question answered

#

Has anyone heard of a French contenders player called Minato?

#

Plays for a team called Hybrid

#

or is playing for 2 teams, so is a hybrid

sullen berry
#

@green stump i like how the conversation was initally a joke, but i'm reconsidering what analytics/game sense is favourable for you to be a better player vs a better coach

sullen berry
karmic grotto
#

So...

#

No owl today?

hot heart
#

Tbh this week might just be outright cancelled with no online matches @karmic grotto

#

So they can prepare for next week and the weeks after

#

Yup starts 21st of march

sullen berry
#

nothing scheduled

#

nothing gained by dropping this weekend's matches

gilded bison
#

Anyone watching open divison?

sullen berry
#

which region

#

you mean the one that was casted earlier today?

austere adder
#

So no matches today right?

balmy wolf
#

I’m pretty sure they said the matches aren’t cancelled

sullen berry
#

they don't do a very good job of telling the two articles apart, this is what's linked in @balmy wolf's post about this weekend's matches

karmic grotto
#

they don't have clear communication

cloud latch
#

no

torpid vortex
#

yea no

#

😫

#

i really wanna see toronto defiant

jagged crater
#

when are the next matches

raw ermine
#

21st I think

#

but this sunday they will broadcast the special announcements

supple prism
#

21st and i heard rumor that they might spread them out mid-week as well

raw ermine
tropic herald
#

LAV v Shock?

sullen berry
#

i do recall shock was in

tropic herald
#

Yeah I’m right

#

But if we go off preseason then it’d be Mayhem v Shock

sullen berry
#

if this goes on for the whole day

#

bet i'm going to be 30 and remember this moment I get these questions down thanks to my investment in this games' esports scene

#

because florida couldn't host their matches

raw ermine
#

I thought it was fuel v seoul but that wasn't preseason

sullen berry
#

lot of people thought the same

#

it was a hype battle, but far from the very first match played that day

#

rewatch it

#

it plays out so well

#

all that narrative behind it with DoA and monte apex knowledge fresh in their memories

#

SeoulDynasty 😌 DallasFuel

frozen perch
#

will there be games today?

raw ermine
#

no

#

none til 21st

sullen berry
#

time for a nostalgia trip

#

if that's what they're going to do all weekend to make up for lost game time

#

which they are going to make up when the midseason tournament would occur

#

since that is no longer happening

wide sable
#

$dk

karmic grotto
#

People in comp sub are such kids. They don't know anything

balmy wolf
#

so the OWL app just said Spitfire vs Fusion starting soon

sullen berry
#

close and restart and the schedule should be updated

worn falcon
#

President from Outlaws

#

new owners?

raw ermine
#

another one bites the dust

sullen berry
#

considering this month off is one of very few chances they have to take a break, remove the infrastructure that isn't running well enough to get to where they want

harsh crane
#

Schedule not saying anything for me :( can someone send a screenshot?

sullen berry
#

yeah this one month of no games really is crushing if there's an outlaws fan reading this

#

@harsh crane should have this bookmarked now, given how often this schedule has changed

harsh crane
#

@sullen berry have they suspended the season ?

sullen berry
#

if you were interested in the old schedule, I can link you here

#

suspended all games this month until the end of april, effective immediately

harsh crane
#

Been out the loop. Thanks

sullen berry
#

the all star break has been put at the end of the season and no midseason tournament

#

old stuff here

#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
harsh crane
#

Thanks bro. This is looking to be a very dry weekend

sullen berry
#

indeed

#

best way to kill time until watchpoint announcement tomorrow would be watching some past VODs

#

here's the order I'd recommend

#

also keep an eye on #683031952257056786 which will include OW League updates and short content during the day

karmic grotto
#

at least it's something

#

I would have wanted to watch bench players play in some sort of matches

#

Bench vs bench in 2 teams, or 4

#

whatever, some tournament

#

online

rapid bobcat
#

NO GAMES THIS WEEK ZenyattaCry

vivid bough
#

do whaaaaaat

tawny sigil
#

why is the entire schedule gone from the website

gaunt acorn
#

because they need to be completely rewritten

tawny sigil
#

i dont think the 21st will happen for owl

gaunt acorn
#

they wouldn't have announced it if they weren't confident they could do it

tawny sigil
#

yeah will see how that goes

rare magnet
raw ermine
#

hahahaha

#

that was the perfect time to teabag and he missed it!

#

its a once in a lifetime chance to teabag carpe

sullen yoke
#

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This is a completely new team
Im 2800 peak i threw down to join another team
This team is mainly focused on coming together everyday and climbing the comp ladder
Smurfs are welcome but have to provide proof of there peak
Looking for

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And
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midnight sage
#

Why is this in esports?

raw ermine
#

seoul playing finally

calm holly
raw ermine
#

ameng the chad

#

SOOOOOON

sweet shell
#

tldr what are they saying in watchpoint?

karmic grotto
#

Watch it?

sweet shell
#

watching now

#

but it started 30+ mins ago lul

raw summit
#

it says special update

#

what is the update?

sweet shell
#

they announced next week's matches

raw ermine
#

hero pool draws are now weighted

tropic herald
#

Nice

sullen berry
#

Shanghai mascot eh

balmy wolf
#

is it wearing goggles?

broken valley
#

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short sparrow
#

@broken valley I'm not sure what you want for your team, but this is probably not the place to ask for it xD try #lf-players-na maybe?

hot heart
#

I really dont like the dragons' mascot

cloud bluff
#

Was the monkey flank with muma calculated since of the beginning of the game? (or like before it)

#

@nocturne cairn

#

yes/no question

nocturne cairn
#

I would say no to that. Because that's saying it was pre-planned minutes before it happened

#

However

#

You can still make plans on the fly and think about it

#

It's what strategy is

cloud bluff
#

SO WHY THE FK are you arguing with me=?

#

actual pepega

nocturne cairn
#

Because you're saying that they can't make their own plays/strategy on the fly

cloud bluff
#

I said the opposite

sick quiver
#

Am I allowed to stream watch parties for Contenders

sullen berry
#

Not sure If you need regular role to stream games in vice channels outside of general or lfg channels. Organising them? Message modmail if you wish to host them regularly

#

Props to contenders getting a shoutout at the tail end of watchpoint yesterday

limber pine
#

I assume they'll use the picked Hero pool for this weekend?

bright cypress
#

Yeah

#

The changes are for next weekend

limber pine
#

I'm glad they moved to a weighted drawing

#

as fun as the picking on the desk has been

bright cypress
#

I think it should be one hero from each category

#

one from 10 to 25, one from 25 to 50 etc

#

Though idk what they would do if there are none in one of the categories

raw ermine
hot heart
#

Sideshow looks like the eyebrow demons possessed him

toxic compass
#

Hi

hallow zealot
#

will seol be good this year

hot heart
#

Yes @hallow zealot

#

Well most likely theyll be good

tropic herald
#

Look out

#

Chanye and Tanner maybe to OWL team

#

Toronto I guess

grizzled mango
#

Source? Arent they from the academy team? Seems a bit odd pick up

hot heart
#

Nani

#

Why tho

grizzled mango
#

Beast has been looking alright, doubt this is happening

sullen berry
#

okay but this isn't exactly a surprise that they would utilize their academy roster, montreal rebellion

short sparrow
#

Why would they not just... Leave?

#

Like sure, they left the academy team

#

But they don't have to be promoted

acoustic tiger
#

Is there any xbox leagues

balmy wolf
#

SF Shock playing so excited

#

Finally

mental citrus
#

Hey I'm planning on making a OW team of bronze and low silver players to grow in the ranks as a team

#

DM me if you are slightly interested and I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help coach or even help with managing the team

celest spear
mental citrus
#

What is this again

supple prism
#

Overwatch league

celest spear
raw ermine
#

week 8 has so many games

mental citrus
#

ok thank you

old spade
#

spitfire are good

tropic herald
raw ermine
#

going to invent esports?

jagged crater
#

is that jj watt on the right

sullen berry
#

Oh man you are all missing out on these new division games

hidden vault
#

@mental citrus which region would that be?

#

also I think you blocked DMs

mental citrus
#

NA

#

Also IDK what that's about because on my end it says i'm fine

#

@hidden vault It's not letting me DM you either

mint moon
#

me and my friends=

#

me

#

no friends

sullen berry
#

Stacked matches

#

This week we get 4 to get back into it

#

Then brace yourselves for 16

#

Yes sixteen matches over three days, like the good times

grizzled mango
#

RIP productive times

#

Let's hope the hero bans are good for upcoming weeks

sullen berry
#

It was meant to be an extended screenshot.

jagged crater
#

gonna be online untl may dang

#

but at least there are matches

sullen berry
#

This weekends are pretty epic, but I'm going to give them a hard pass, save for Seoul's debut in their promo router rumble

#

If you like this week's schedule which only the two matches each day ✌️

#

You'll be treated to a special Friday with the first matches between Pacific East teams (Seoul plays shock this weekend)

#

Eight games on Saturday

#

Then 6 on Sunday to round it off

#

Not bad to be honest, shame that airtime won't officially be on Twitch for the added viewership

tropic herald
#

There’s 22 the following week

sullen berry
#

mmm

#

imgine not having enough overwatch for a month

#

and then the makeup games become the ultimate bingefest that content creators will have a hard time keeping up

tropic herald
#

Im thriving with this

#

Quarantine

#

More like OWL binging

sullen berry
#

I'm livid due to the online shopping habits that have perked up irl

#

at this point I might as well throw in a jersey or two

tropic herald
wintry kraken
#

@raw ermine week 8 has 16 games. week 9 has 22 games. week 10 has 19 games. week 11 and 12 has 20 games. will i even sleep through those weekends ?

woven badge
#

I’m concerned for the casters ngl. Their throats are gonna die.

raw ermine
#

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jagged crater
#

where are the players located for online?

#

how is the latency gonna work

tropic herald
#

If I had to guess the teams of China are in China

#

Seoul and all of Pacific West are somewhere on the West Coast

#

And all of Atlantic are somewhere on the east coast

supple prism
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Ok, i got diem, xzi, elivote, guxue, idk, and anamo for these next 2 weeks

quiet slate
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V

sullen berry
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Could not be more blunt that he’s having a bad time

hot heart
urban jay
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is getting a g pro wireless worth it i have a steel series rival 310

late gale
sullen berry
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Proud of this upgrade

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From Contenders Pacific for 3 years they’ve made it to Korea

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New Zealand to Korea pogchamp

idle gorge
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i've kinda been wondering for a while, but anyone here know why there are no women in owl?

tropic herald
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There is

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One

idle gorge
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who

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don't say soe

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i mean a owl player

short sparrow
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Geguri

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From the Shanghai Dragons

tropic herald
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At this point yes she’s a woman in OWL but she feels like a token player

idle gorge
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token?

tropic herald
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There to be there and serve the purpose of diversity

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For diversity’s sake

idle gorge
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Oh she doesn’t play

balmy wolf
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We honestly haven’t seen her play mainly atm because she is part of the shanghai dragons which is a chinese team and like Looks outside at the global pandemic yea...

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She saw playtime in season 1 but less so in season 2 and none so far for obvious corona related reasons but yea

raw ermine
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season 1, she played a lot after being picked up at, the end of stage 1?

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season 2 she played a lot at the start, and a bit in stage 4

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shanghai was either running sombra goats/triple dps, so no off tank, or envy on off tank

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now they have void, so idk if she will play

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we saw her on orisa, so idk what she will play

tropic herald
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Void is an insane dva which I’ll expect will see lots of play so I expect him in

balmy wolf
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Geguri was only known for Zarya right?

tropic herald
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Yeah and her Hog was good enough

sullen berry
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the last game I remember watching at her peak was last season https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfmQXe1W3Hs

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played the map 5 on ilios and boy was that an underrated victory for geguri

sullen berry
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duplicating a hero with uber fast charge time this is going to be hotba's dps hero

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there's definitely some flaws to pick, but what a hero

sour magnet
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i think we'll see teams run goats-esque teams with her

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also, lucio speed and heal at the same time sounds very good for dive comps

sullen berry
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there's some incredible situations he's shown already - you can take advantage of her vertical movement before duplicating

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if the enemy hero happens to be in line of sight while airborne

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this is mostly hitscans - you can use that to drop onto the team more safer than sombra or pharah

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wiping her out in dupe would revert her back to echo and is quickly killed off like a tracer no dash

raw ermine
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I feel like support ults will be duped a lot

limber pine
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i think more specific support ults will be duped

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generally I think the tank ones are more likely overall though

raw ermine
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yeah

sullen berry
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thinking about zoning ults and leveraging very situational tank duplication

raw ermine
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imagine double sig ult

sullen berry
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three going off in one teamfight, dope

raw ermine
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multi -EMP

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multi earthshatter

sullen berry
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flankers like eileen surefour or sbb be dammed

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but of course teams will be reading these plays very well

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and have to build out their team comp accordingly.
The echo player on each time will wind up having a harder time picking the right hero to duplicate

sullen berry
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historically, here's a couple players that have adapted to new heroes quickly:
SanFranciscoShock Rascal
NewYorkExcelsior Hotba, Libero
HoustonOutlaws Hydration, blase

Pulling names out of a hat here, some current players that would probably pick her up if she becomes meta by midseason:
AtlantaReign Erster
TorontoDefiant Surefour
PhiladelphiaFusion EQO
WashingtonJustice Stratus
HangzhouSpark GodsB
FloridaMayhem BQB
VancouverTitans Stitch
ParisEternal XZI
ChengduHunters Jinmu
LondonSpitfire Schwi

tropic herald
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Architect

sullen berry
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I had my thoughts on architect, but now rascal has been on dps since role lock and would have the edge over arc

tropic herald
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Echo looks like a Gengi players dream

raw ermine
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jeff said s4, therefore toronto wins OWL

sullen berry
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surfour's life before Overwatch he majored in software engineering

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so I wouldn't doubt the kind of good vibes he has for surefour

sullen berry
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https://youtu.be/eoxHQp-5f0k?t=764 analytical hype video or lowkey trash talking the production lately about the atlantic home games

hot heart
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Wtf happens when we have dive in OWL and houstan have hydration on echo

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If he copies a ball

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Theyll have three dive tanks

raw ermine
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for 15 seconds

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but yeah

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triple tank dive is cool

lapis matrix
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k

earnest leaf
tropic herald
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Games got pushed back again

rare magnet
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fuckity fuck

rugged schooner
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sigh....

tawny sigil
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told you guys

clear crane
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prob will cancel the season

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its just gonna get worse

sullen berry
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@tawny sigil lost count now, this reschule shift number 6?

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  • China Games, move to Korea w/ no broadcast
  • Rest of Asia in Mar-Apr cancelled
  • Paris bails, no home games until May
  • Florida cancelled, moving to online
  • Online only schedule, aka the "important update"
  • oop not anymore with this weekend's "official update"
tawny sigil
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just cut it dude, just cut it *cough cough* just cut it

sullen berry
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✂️

tawny sigil
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im sure we would know if some of the players had corona

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but gamer tend to be good at social distancing

tropic herald
feral wing
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OWL is dead

gaunt acorn
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so are thousands of people

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it's kind of a global pandemic

sullen berry
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So I take it they're going to go afk and post twitter polls this weekend? Maybe some replays for SOME semblance of activity?****

karmic grotto
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21 should be online play, they couldn't get that one done

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Idc if castors not ready

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Put ZP in a room for 6 hours casting

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You have to do something

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People are waiting and waiting

balmy wolf
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Well they may not have equipment at home, ear buds don't work the same.

karmic grotto
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That's true

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Finally DLC teams that got to play this weekend, it gets cancelled... that really makes me annoyed and irritated

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At least if no matches, what about showdown matches for fun?

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People really want to see other teams play, like the Asian teams, Dallas, Shock, Valiant etc...

raw ermine
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PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO BE A SUPPORT PLS ECHO

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