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#esports-discussion
dreamy cave
glister was poping off too on defense, i seen him take corey down a few times
this could b close yeah
4???
jeeeez thats a bit unfair
glacial lintel
London kind of tunneled onto Washington's Ana there
rare magnet
well this is working
clear crane
wtf is happenin how is this working
wintry kraken
But how
clear crane
omgggg
upper niche
This is nuts, imagine if htewy were able to hold this with no progress?
clear crane
holy shjittttttttttttt
night tusk
Guys
raw ermine
oh my god
night tusk
Wtf is this
upper niche
1.68m?!
raw ermine
omfg
upper niche
I wanna see this pulled off.
rare magnet
has this ever worked before wow
raw ermine
crowd is mad
wintry kraken
1.68m
night tusk
I never saw this
upper niche
ooh, 4.31!
upper niche
Why even contest the match lol
night tusk
Aderall taken in lmao (just kidding)
wintry kraken
I seen this - in 6 v 3 games
supple prism
get ready for it in your ranked games
upper niche
Thing is, there's nothing in particular about Dorado that made that possible. In theory, that should be possible on any map.
rare magnet
surely before it has eventually been broken they spawn camped them the whole time and it worked
wintry kraken
Before WSH defends even more 
upper niche
Do WAS even really think they can contest this and prevent it getting to 4.31m?!@
Surely we're just gonna see Brig, Doomfist, Winston?
wintry kraken
Bastion
clear crane
bastion plz
rare magnet
and they have to try to hold them from the doors too
upper niche
Yeah. Maybe Orisa.
clear crane
anddddd rip
upper niche
this is fucking hilarious lol.
rare magnet
loooooolllll
tawny sinew
that was cheese
raw ermine
24 seconds
rare magnet
that was like 10 seconds
clear crane
winnable!!!!
night tusk
Fastest attack win ever
echo fog
absolutely disgusting
stoic robin
What the fuk LONDON
clear crane
the ad break was longer
upper niche
haha
upper niche
Raises some questions about map design.
echo fog
ad break longer than actual match 
stoic robin
Who ever dreamed up that play needs a raise
rare magnet
well its never happened before
upper niche
Imagine if that happens on more than a few occasions as the professional level.
clear crane
its gotta be pavanne who thought of that spawn camp
stoic robin
Like I mean it ain't the maps fault they proved they could push it
charred coral
If it was a map design issue then both teams would've held that closely for a long time. But that wasn't the case.
rare magnet
how long was their attack really couldnt have been more than 30 seconds
upper niche
teleporter widow surprise, holy crap.
charred coral
That round felt as long as a Play of the Game
supple prism
24s
rare magnet
lol
wintry kraken
There was also third exit, never used by wsh
upper niche
lol. Imagine if a POTG clip had the countdown timer AND 'Victory' thing in it.
clear crane
3rd ext is not viable with potential mei boost up and den boop off the side
night tusk
wintry kraken
They could have tried tho
But no, they hammered same failed idea over and over until time ram out
upper niche
lol, Rei meeper
night tusk
Glister Overwatch
clear crane
wtf
charred coral
My stream bugged out
night tusk
Refresh?
charred coral
Oh it was just a bit funny, it's back on. Caster kept repeating the same word.
night tusk
Only think I kinda dislike about homestand is there is almost no one who root for the enemy team.unlike soccer who still have a lot of visitors for the enemy team
shy nymph
not everyone can afford to travel plus its overwatch, fanbase isnt as big
rare magnet
just spawn camp again
shy nymph
its esports in general except maybe dota league and csgo
supple prism
i have justice 3-2
clear crane
also the arenas arent as big
the money just isnt on the same lvl as traditional sports
oh boi....
echo fog
yikes
balmy wolf
washington lost a 6v4
charred coral
Good games today 
clear crane
thought this wud be the closest game
but tor vs phi was more in close in terms of each map was contested hard. this is like halftime the switches just flipped...
grizzled mango
Tor vs philly was a different tier of gameplay compared to this pepega game
outer zenith
Hoes mad.
clear crane
bren and sideshow prob my fav duo rn
it was perfect they were the pair to cast that bos-hou match yesterday
outer zenith
What a comeback.
raw ermine
hahahah lmao
rare magnet
actual reverse sweep
outer zenith
O O F
raw ermine
"Reddit will throw together any combination of words, and say a player popped off! You could say anyone! That's like saying sanguinar will pop off!"-sideshow
outer zenith
No fucks given.
clear crane
Roar is def tilting
outer zenith
London are just taking over.
clear crane
roar is def not helping them
echo fog
outer zenith
Last game, last map, last round.
glacial lintel
Corey is so tired of carrying Justice
echo fog
wtf corey
raw ermine
uh
midnight sage
how did Justice get away with that
outer zenith
Corey should be dead.
midnight sage
Goddamn Corey
outer zenith
Justice absolutely should have lost that.
midnight sage
Is Blase watching? Should be
outer zenith
Fuck it. Y'know what? After seeing it teased all weekend, I want a damn reverse sweep.
I'm rooting for London.
echo fog
choke city
rare magnet
stratus 50 percent blizzard
outer zenith
It would just be too fitting if the final game of this weekend was an actual reverse sweep.
midnight sage
Here we go
echo fog
it's going to be
midnight sage
reverse sweep incoming
rare magnet
i see wash losing
outer zenith
Schwi's Blizzard...
echo fog
WHAT A SHATTER
rare magnet
holy fuck
midnight sage
COREY
earnest leaf
ROAR
midnight sage
WHAT
rare magnet
well damn
earnest leaf
A NUT
raw ermine
oh
outer zenith
What was that about Corey carrying?
echo fog
noooooooooooooo
outer zenith
Corey down....
rare magnet
ok
outer zenith
O O F
rare magnet
gg
midnight sage
Welp, reverse sweep!
echo fog
holy fuck
minor flame
so silent LOL
outer zenith
YES
outer zenith
REVERSE SWEEP
midnight sage
Literally silent crowd lmao
gaunt acorn
wow
rare magnet
well that was crazy
gaunt acorn
that was nuts
outer zenith
The prophecy has been fulfilled.
minor flame
most silent victory moment
stoic robin
What the FUCK
balmy wolf
waaaaaw
stoic robin
Shocked
balmy wolf
FAK LONDON
midnight sage
crunchy coke moment
clear crane
0-2 in homestand... like dallas haha
balmy wolf
gg LONDON
minor flame
reverse swept in your homestand is one of the most devastating things you as a home team can experience
outer zenith
Damn. Remember that time that Roar clutched the game for Justice, but then Corey went and choked it away by getting picked?
stoic robin
Told you London had some fight in them
clear crane
i wanna see how he got picked
minor flame
Bernar and Clestyn is gonna be hard to pick between
earnest leaf
Roar had his shield in an awful spot
stoic robin
Clestyn did okay not amazing but he was there when he was needed
earnest leaf
So it exposed corey and glister just clicked his head
minor flame
Ark is fucking sad
clear crane
is that stratus crying?
clear crane
Ark deserves better
rare magnet
these are some damn good matches tho
outer zenith
Ark's a nice guy, but I think he's exactly where he belongs.
clear crane
i wonder where this puts justice. prob bottom 10. dont think bottom 5just y et
clear crane
but none of this is relevant until we seen all 20 teams play
minor flame
more ~8
outer zenith
Too early to say where Justice falls. We'll see.
minor flame
Justice is not consistent enough to get these Ws bro
clear crane
and what GZ can bring out again
most intrigued on ATL
most ppl had them number 2 behind shock
celest spear
Next games.....
Location: Houston, TX
Saturday the 29th:
NYXL vs Florida
Toronto vs Atlanta
London vs Houston
Sunday the 1st:
Boston vs Fusion
Paris vs Atlanta
London vs Mayhem
Defiant vs Houston
outer zenith
I've got so much respect for London, though. It's not easy being a entire team of rookies.
And yet they've still performed well overall, even in their losses.
midnight sage
Oh god a Houston Homestand
clear crane
they have one of the best coaching staffs
velvet steeple
Honestly
minor flame
the only highlights of those 2 days are Toronto v Atlanta and London v Mayhem
clear crane
thats why i think they can be a top 8 team
raw ermine
oh man atlanta
clear crane
coaching plays a lot more in esports den trad sports
outer zenith
I think Atlanta's games against Toronto and Paris next week will be an excellent series of tests for them.
raw ermine
chad
fervent scaffold
9% crit, 2% increase since day one 
midnight sage
Gotta watch the Defiant vs Fusion match now
jagged crater
4.2m the shortest a payload on payload map has reached in an OWL match?
fervent scaffold
I'm gonna have to rewatch the justice and london since I was playing for most of theirs
jagged crater
jmac daddy
upper niche
While you're at it, to make up lost time watch Boston vs Houston.
midnight sage
I missed a lot of the second half of that match tonight so I need to rewatch it
outer zenith
Sweet Chrono. If Houston goes down 0 - 6 at their own homestand...
fervent scaffold
I never want to watch Boston v Houston again tbh
outer zenith
Neither do I. It's a once in a life time pleasure.
midnight sage
I had so much fun watching it. So bad but so good
raw ermine
I feel like mouffin swearing at the end is a metaphor for the whole match
"messes up"
oops
midnight sage
I missed that. What did he say
raw ermine
he accidentally dropped an f-bomb in the post match interview with goldenboy
he immediately realised his error, and goldenboy played it off by saying "they will bleep it"
velvet steeple
Someone explain why the Spitefire Wash match had me freaking out like it was the finals
raw ermine
fervent scaffold
I'm so disappointed I couldn't watch the whole thing live. it looks like it was a really good match. only happened to catch the final map and parts of a few others, and only most of that
balmy wolf
Man seeing outlaws getting fucked on this is heart breaking
What's the problem there? The team or the management
fervent scaffold
both, but mostly the latter
raw ermine
Muma feeds, blase is flex dps playing mccree, rawkus and rapel a being constantly swapped, and everyone else is mediocre
balmy wolf
Yeah idk what they're doing with blase
And muma is looking worse than benbest rn
Hopefully they don't get depressed or anything by this
Isn't linkzr their only hitscan
Why do they have like all but one dps hitscan
fervent scaffold
technically danteh
fervent scaffold
don't ask me
fervent scaffold
I've been asking myself that since game 2
timid vigil
blase seems to be improving on hitscan
fervent scaffold
sure, let's keep telling ourselves that
balmy wolf
Well he's still not good enough
balmy wolf
Dude Boston vs Houston was probably the most entertaining match in owl history
balmy wolf
It's like if the fantasy of there being a bronze owl came true
It would be that match
stoic robin
What's wrong
tropic herald
LDN 3-2 WAS
midnight sage
It makes me feel like I could join an OWL team
tropic herald
NYE 1-3 PHI
stoic robin
@midnight sage you could be
tropic herald
TOR 2-3 PHI
balmy wolf
All the casters assumed it was either nyxl or sfs taking the season
tropic herald
How did Toronto play a closer game to philly than NY could
stoic robin
Nah them guys on those teams are good players they just are shit together...
balmy wolf
But now it seems that the fusion have disproven that
midnight sage
NYXL learning to play the aggressive game
worn falcon
I want to see Seoul
balmy wolf
Super best main tank in the league don't @ me
tropic herald
They got a map taken off by Dallas
worn falcon
too much time to see the asian teams reeeeee
tropic herald
Idk if they hold #1 anymore
stoic robin
Same here man
stoic robin
They ain't favoured by the meta anymore
balmy wolf
Well who do u think is above him
worn falcon
Holy fuck, week 5 have rough hours to watch for me
tropic herald
I’d argue that Mano, Sado and Gator could better than Super they are all at his tier for sure
balmy wolf
While it was fun watching Jerry and his rookie debut he only did fine
He just popped off in certain places
midnight sage
JEEERRRRYYYYYYY
worn falcon
i guess ill watch in the morning https://i.imgur.com/zIRcIDv.png
stoic robin
He needs to build some confidence
balmy wolf
Those times are tough
stoic robin
Jerry in contenders was a bit nutty
balmy wolf
Dallas is my home team as well
stoic robin
But he needs to find his place again
balmy wolf
I don't feel too good about em
stoic robin
Yeah they gonna get stomped on
tropic herald
Considering they have put all the eggs onto Note to be good enough
stoic robin
London Vs Houston tho..
tropic herald
If London plays like today
stoic robin
London's gonna get an EZ win
tropic herald
What’s holding them back
midnight sage
My times for that weekend are 1a,3a,5 and 12a,3,5a goddamn
tropic herald
Wel from beating Houston.
balmy wolf
Mano fucking popped off during nyxl and fusions game
Like holy shit he did so well that game
tropic herald
Mano said: IM NOT GETTING 3-0ed
stoic robin
The group of rookies vs a established team of well known players... and they reverse swept...
tropic herald
At least what I heard is that Mano put the team on his back for the one map they won
balmy wolf
Jjonak didnt realize that he was getting hard focused
I think that's why they lost the series
tropic herald
I heard SBB was sub par on the Cowboy
stoic robin
Jjonak is coming in too cocky into this season tho
worn falcon
Oh shit
tropic herald
Idk
worn falcon
Week 5 is hero pools
stoic robin
Best player MVP coming into this season his balls are massive and they have an equally large target on them
worn falcon
BRO
tropic herald
Shock have the most versatile dps rotation
balmy wolf
I mean true
balmy wolf
Is sleepy still in the owl? What team is he on
tropic herald
No
balmy wolf
Oh rip
tropic herald
He streams
stoic robin
Meaning Houston might stand a chance
balmy wolf
If Mei and cree are out we divin
tropic herald
With widow
stoic robin
That's true
balmy wolf
Reinhardt will prob be gone
stoic robin
Here is the thing tho
balmy wolf
And Lucio will be gone I think
stoic robin
They said it's the most used out of all heroes...
balmy wolf
I think we should reserve a third permanent ban for Widowmaker
balmy wolf
Just to make the game fun again
stoic robin
So that means Ana or Lucio is already out... then Rein and McCree and Mei
So dive will lose its main source of speed or healing
balmy wolf
Oh yeah true
tropic herald
If Lucio is out then there is no speed at all
balmy wolf
So then what other support will take the place of ana or lucio
stoic robin
They will have brawl all the way
balmy wolf
Yeah brig
stoic robin
But brig on dive
balmy wolf
Zenyatta will be meta again
stoic robin
Still Widow...
tropic herald
Widow is in no matter what
stoic robin
Zenyatta would be viable again
stoic robin
Think about it
tropic herald
But I’d see Brig Ana more likely
stoic robin
It's going to be iso brawl
fervent scaffold
if you think Dallas thinks Note is their only carry, you're sorely mistaken
tropic herald
Sigma isn’t a MT
stoic robin
Well here the thing
stoic robin
Its gonna be a double tank meta...
balmy wolf
Well then what classifies a main tank
stoic robin
Orisa and Sigma might be the play
tropic herald
I don’t know
fervent scaffold
I don't think so
tropic herald
Sigma is so weak rn
balmy wolf
Idk orisa seems like a troll pick to me
stoic robin
Yeah but saying they dont have the strong shields now
tropic herald
I think Ball Winston/Dva depending on if Dva keeps the boosters
stoic robin
They are gonna have a field day with shield break characters
fervent scaffold
no
tropic herald
Dive just goes around the shields
fervent scaffold
double shield will more than likely never be what it once was ever again
tropic herald
No MT
stoic robin
Well... I can see it
tropic herald
Don’t think to hard he is
tropic herald
But I think ball is in
fervent scaffold
sigma is a psuedo, and so is ball tbh
tropic herald
That and widow
fervent scaffold
they can both do ot and mt things, but fall slightly in one direction or the other
balmy wolf
Well if ball sees more play that ban rotation then it looks like I'm not playing comp for a week
Fuck that hero
tropic herald
Have you ever played a game of OW as ball and the enemy doesn’t have Mei
OWL and Comp have.. different bans
balmy wolf
Oh they dooo? That's crazy
stoic robin
I mid air Flashbang balls
balmy wolf
Does every platform have diff bans
tropic herald
No
fervent scaffold
no, just OWL and Ladder will differ
balmy wolf
Understandable
fervent scaffold
rein, lucio, mei, cree will more than likely be out week 5
balmy wolf
Why even invest cooldowns into ball as if he would die from them 
stoic robin
It's still preventing him to make space
fervent scaffold
your name bugs me @rare magnet
balmy wolf
Joke
rare magnet
i mean really wash must have just tried to lose as fast as possible on dorado defense and try to win next map rein gets instantly melted 24 seconds and its over
im sorry
tropic herald
stoic robin
Like if you have a Orisa and Brig and Reaper... ball dies when he dives...
But that's a lot for one lil boi
Especially if it's more than one diver
stoic robin
Exactly..
tropic herald
There will be a dva or a Winston with him at least
stoic robin
So ball will have a lot of favours being dealt to him
Dva most likely...
3 second cool down to back off as fast as ball can
Plus if it's a Winston then reaper will get a bit more play
stoic robin
Being able to roll In and out as fast if not faster than ball will be great for the dive
Resets would be quicker too
They have not as many assets to stall the D'va too
jagged crater
Dva op pls nerf?
fervent scaffold
understand shield can be much more valuable than a matrix
jagged crater
Which tank is getting banned? Rein or dva
balmy wolf
Rein
fervent scaffold
rein has higher playrate iirc
jagged crater
It's not necessarily playtime only
stoic robin
Yeah but getting rid of massive tank buster ults like reapers would be great to
fervent scaffold
iirc, announcement about hero bans says based off what the league plays, so I expect most picked heroes to mostly be banned, which to my knowledge, would be rein, lucio, cree, mei
tropic herald
Rein has the highest play time of any hero rn
balmy wolf
Its a safe bet to say that rein has a 100% pick rate
fervent scaffold
not with dive coming more into mix today
tropic herald
Rein isn’t 100%
balmy wolf
What he doesn't???? Some teams are throwing then
fervent scaffold
lucio has fallen off some since brig started being played
balmy wolf
No
balmy wolf
Aight I get it, chill
stoic robin
So what now who's replacing Lucio...
stoic robin
But... She will take a lot longer to reach her position and provide them heals
balmy wolf
Well she's the best next choice
fervent scaffold
we could see mercy, but you lose area heals for basically a pocket. don't see it happening more often than brig
tropic herald
So it doesn’t matter
balmy wolf
What about Moira?
stoic robin
Moira Ball onto dive location might be better
tropic herald
Moira would be played over an Ana
fervent scaffold
idk about that
rare magnet
tropic herald
Which given the information seems unlikely
fervent scaffold
that doesn't surprise me
tropic herald
That sucks but I’m not surprised
fervent scaffold
coronavirus starting to explode there
upper niche
It's been leased to another group now
fervent scaffold
so that also means makeup weekend will shift for the cancelled china games
jagged crater
if we're judging purely on pickrates, then it's pretty confident rein, mei, mccree and ana are getting banned first
tropic herald
Lucio is over Ana
fervent scaffold
I could see ana
upper niche
I really hope to see what happens when both Mei and McCree get banned. Doom/Widow meta lol;
fervent scaffold
but I do personally lean lucio
tropic herald
Well if we go off PR
jagged crater
lean mean
tropic herald
It’s Rein Lucio Mei Mcree
jagged crater
love ana
fervent scaffold
if they don't do all top picks, I think cree would stay in as opposed to lucio
stoic robin
Well Ana for one... she allows for the good heals from a safe distance, Moria can throw her heals into the dive location do a decent amount of heals to a group, her phase allows her to get places a lot quicker and her heals would be better too
balmy wolf
Is McCree is the most played DPS because he offers the most utility for a hitscan? Or what
stoic robin
McCree is just good
fervent scaffold
moira has a lot less utility than ana. ana all day over moira, even in dive unless you're being hard focused
tropic herald
McCree is well rounded
stoic robin
No but what if played together
tropic herald
His main weakness being his range, which only gets shown off on long sight lines
stoic robin
Moria and Ana
fervent scaffold
no defensive ult
tropic herald
Such as Junkertown
Moira and Ana have a lot heals
However
Given a Dva and Ana
Moira is bad
fervent scaffold
I think we'd actually see a little zen if lucio got banned
but brig more likely imo across the board
stoic robin
It does
tropic herald
Too bad Contenders isn’t being streamed for them to copy off of
fervent scaffold
they'll be chatting with them religiously I'm sure
tropic herald
Hopefully
fervent scaffold
and possibly scrimming them more often than other owl teams
tropic herald
Around what week do the teams break out of their regions?
Week 16 found it
That’s the first time a team from Atlantic faces Pacific
Being Seoul v Houston
Also funny how there isn’t a week 13
stoic robin
All I'm thinking is its dive... brig ain't gonna help much in the dive itself... she will take a moment to reach the fight... Moria and And would allow a lot of healing and Moria is over all faster than Brig... she has an okay ult to allow more uptime in fights plus combined with an anti nade that'll have a lot of offense pick potential. That's what I'm thinking.
balmy wolf
doomfist punch
tropic herald
My concern with Moira is her lack of anything useful that Ana doesn’t have
And Brig does have a lot with five
Dive
Armor packs are very useful for the diving heroes or the support getting dived
balmy wolf
Yeah her repair heals
stoic robin
Extra 50 armour on a dive could be okay with the ana providing the heals at a distance allowing her to get close sure
tropic herald
Dva and Ana make her useless
Also Moira
No defensive ult
Zen does have one and Brig is a pseudo defensive
And Bap has immo
stoic robin
Ou bap would be a good pick...
stoic robin
Hes got good group heals, ult counter ability, great vertical movement and 50 heals a hit plus the ana
I dont see that being too bad
fervent scaffold
baptiste is much weaker to dive than ana. won't happen
balmy wolf
Bap has strong damage too
Remember when alarm played Baptiste? Dude barely found value
Got murdered like he was jjonak
stoic robin
It'll be interesting in how they work around it
Some people were talking Mercy Moria in the other discord
balmy wolf
Sounds like a troll
stoic robin
XD
fervent scaffold
brig -> mercy -> zen for what we'll most likely see if lucio banned to replace him
stoic robin
I know
fervent scaffold
zen and mercy may flip. depends on team playstyle for a hard aggro or soft aggro dive
stoic robin
Lets talk defence tho
What would be viable
Now Mei is gone Ball and D'va have more control
Would a defensive sym be smart...
tropic herald
No
balmy wolf
well shit who plays now
jagged crater
rip korean events too
postponed chinese events were going to korea too
epidemic really threw a wrench in OWL
and a bunch of other things
pine ravine
Houston outlaws are throwing
young rivet
EU-9
tropic herald
Twitter
sullen berry
Whelp
I knew I should worked longer during Seoul's homestand
Pacific East is going to be incubating before their first matches outside of China
First games for these teams will remain unchanged for some, however
Literally no other time like the Washington Homestand to act like a BAMF on stage https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1231733945370382337?s=19
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf yes
hidden vault
Not directly to seoul but cities which are close by
gaunt acorn
south korea is experiencing a significant amount of cases too
better safe than sorry
balmy wolf
oh damn
earnest leaf
they have upwards of 700 or so cases now
jagged crater
Scary stuff
supple prism
Draftbuff not updating the stats until tuesdays is really annoying
sullen berry
don't have a choice, unfortunately
wintry kraken
@gaunt acorn Paris is week 10, just in time to get cancelled when it spreads from Italy
tight kestrel
The hole world it's going to be cancelled. We all gonna die
spiral comet
But that means already no Asian events then at all and only EU/NA events
balmy wolf
Tbh the most entertaining part of the Justice v Spitfire were the part where they introduced the Justice starters
Like wtf were those costumes
clear crane
They need to cancel this season
Half the teams won’t start till hero pools are out. Who knows how long this virus will last and exactly how much it will spread. If not cancel, den restart it and just have it based in USA for now. Even Europe is getting a surge in confirmed cases now. Even the swine flu wasn’t this crazy about for this long
clear crane
Fair point. Just stating this is pretty unprecedent. As close to an “act of god” as seen on ticket disclaimers for trad sports
balmy wolf
Rip lpl and lck
shy nymph
Lck still going though but one of the hosts may have contracted the virus very unfortunate
balmy wolf
balmy wolf
worthy glen
london is ass
swift moth
kinda
dreamy cave
There going to have to vastly reproduce the cure for coronavirus, hopefully the ingredients needed for it aren't too tuff to acquire or make. I would honestly argue it takes about 3-4 months for the issue to be dealt with completely
hidden vault
why isn't linkzer playing the mcree but instead blase?
daring sapphire
he was sick and then he was depressed about his lack of performance or something?
Twitter
north mortar
Sorry wrong chat
dawn vale
Man poor China and SK teams
upper hawk
i started watching the matches last night that i missed over the weekend
that houston boston match was god awful overwatch but mildly entertaining at the same time
it looked like fkin quickplay
cloud latch
on the bright side Ig they have more time to prepare?
limber pine
well sure, but then they'll have an extremely condensed schedule
essentially a 28 week schedule in potentially <20
tropic herald
echo fog
Does anyone have a clip of the translocator bug from yesterday’s match?
The one where it bounced up and down like 10 times super fast
It was on Dorado attacking second point I think
balmy wolf
You can view it yourself; it should be on the overwatch replay viewer by now
echo fog
Found it
It’s at 3:13:30
Look at it
It’s such a weird bug that even Surefour did a double take
wintry kraken
btw those cancelled SK and China games might not be the last imo
right now, there is an outbreak of the virus in Italy, so enough time for it to cause cancellation of Paris homestand too
little silo
At this point they might just have to play them online
upper niche
So I've still had no luck tracking down a PDF of the official 2020 OWL Rulebook like the one that was available for 2018 and 2019.
Anyone been able to find a link to it?
solar bison
Paris homestead is not in Paris
upper niche
where is it?
daring sapphire
just waiting for it to be back to like it was last year and we've moved back permanently to LA full time
i genuinely hope it doesn't get that bad though
upper niche
At this point they're probably best to look at the schedule and say "okay, when do any of those two teams that should have played each other end up at another homestand together?" - play those games at those homestands, reschedule the rest.
supple prism
think i heard that it will be not live or not lan or something
marble oar
Outlul
rare magnet
raw summit
Can teams still sign players?
limber pine
yes
red anvil
Teams are free to sign players up to June 15
sullen berry
If and when they reschedule, chances are they might be cutting it close to the mid-season tournament
If the matches are still going to be played before then, are they going to have enough time to pull off enough Ws to play in
Or will they could squeeze them all in to the point they play all their matches over several weeks
tropic herald
Nice graphic
tawny sigil
so what's going on with the chinese match, what's gonna happen to them
celest spear
Rescheduled
they were going to be in Korea, but now Korea has a mass Corvid-19 (Coronavirus) Outbreak
so those are both rescheduled to a later date
sullen berry
I need to get this out at some point to make a hot take that hero pools will have the least impact on Pacific East division when they come into action.
Historically the current meta means jack to Chinese teams, including those with Korean rosters who usually conform to meta heroes
They will play by their own meta and the heroes that can't be played that week should have little to no effect on their play
Now who wants to go join me in this rabbit hole to say all six teams that haven't played (atlanta 
included) have players who are flexible on all three roles well enough to be in the top 12?
short sparrow
Its not that much of a hot take honestly
blissful heron
Philadelphia overrated
Korean rosters outdated
Jerry locking legs activated😳😳😳
gaunt acorn
poor jerry deserves a better team
fervent scaffold
tbf, he's only played against houston thus far right
gaunt acorn
start, why don't you
fervent scaffold
I'm not trying to discredit him, he did really well, but I don't think that was really a good measure
blissful heron
I don't have time right now
gaunt acorn
gaunt acorn
how do you figure
fervent scaffold
I'm confused as to why he didn't play tbh, but his playstyle may clash too much with other players for the Houston game
his shotcalling is supposed to be really solid, so maybe they just wanted to try something new?
blissful heron
Some of the korean players recently signed need some time to adapt to fusions' shotcalls
tropic herald
Fusions didn’t play bc Axxiom was the rein player
fervent scaffold
fusions is known as a rein player
tropic herald
Fusions was stuck on the horse up until recently
blissful heron
And Fusions was the orisa specialist, and was rusty
Because axxiom couldn't play her effectively
tropic herald
So Fusions has a rusty rein while Axxiom did not
fervent scaffold
I don't know that I agree with that. it possible mouffin blends better with axxiom
tropic herald
You can watch the interview by Sideshow to learn about why Axxiom was in over Fusions
blissful heron
What did he say? I missed that
blissful heron
Really now. He's certainly out of practice then, because he said that he was in orisa jail to me on stream
fervent scaffold
I'd like to see it first. you're not going to trash your teammates in an interview ever
fervent scaffold
an interview with someone hired by OWL is not something I would take to heart completely, no matter who it is
tropic herald
Ok
fervent scaffold
I could be completely wrong, but I'd much rather see proof axxiom is better by seeing fusions himself play on rein
tropic herald
This is the closest to that you’ll get
When a player themselves saying they are performing lesser than someone else
fervent scaffold
again, you're not going to trash your teammates in an interview, let alone anywhere else more than likely. it's a respect and courtesy thing
tropic herald
It’s not about trashing, it’s the fact that Fusions acknowledges that Axxiom was performing better than Fusions on the rein in scrims
And that it would give them a better shot if winning
blissful heron
I think if the Korean players adjust to Fusions, given he has more mechanical skill on Rein, boston will look better.
blissful heron
Exactly.
blissful heron
Boston, as it stands, suck.
If they have a year together, they could be a top team next season.
I say this out of love.
supple prism
Jerry and Mouffin have the highest average score on Draftbuff just because of how stupid crazy that match was
raw ermine
lmao of course
golden dagger
Anyone think the Mayhem can beat NYXL? Something's not right with NYXL this year, they aren't playing that well for some reason 😭
I mean they're obviously really good and still one of the top teams but they aren't playing as good as they used to
supple prism
Carpe still has a ridiculous lead on number of MVPs
fervent scaffold
NYXL are in the process of learn how to play aggressively
earnest leaf
Whoru just looks uncomfortable on mei
Whenever they start running dive/nanoblade they all look way better
cloud latch
I dont think whoru has ever been a mei player
balmy wolf
NYXL is learning to play agro; Whoru isn't a good Genji, and SBB isn't a good McCree
balmy wolf
They have one of the best flex dps on the bench but they prefer to force an otp-genji on mei
balmy wolf
It's not that
NYXL likes to have options which is kinda what brings them down
Whoru is a great genji and can pull it out but a very adequate Mei.
Libero is a great everything but he's not as good on Genji. I personally think NYXL likes to have the option of dive even if it's the sub optimal comp and it really shows that it isn't working.
balmy wolf
Well that’s exactly what I’m saying so I don’t get what « is not that ». Libero is good at everything and is a better Genji than Whoru is Mei. It probably works better with Libero but NY makes a different choice.
fervent scaffold
I'm going to be frank, I don't think calling whoru an adequate mei is fair when he's probably towards the bottom half of all mei players who have debuted this season. that being said, I think you need a strong genji to make dive work from what we have seen, so even if libero is a good genji, I don't think it would be enough. we've seen haksal get shut down already on genji, so if you want it to be an option (dive), you need one of the best to make it work imo
hidden vault
Why not pit Libero on mei?
fervent scaffold
for the exact reason someone said above: flexibility
I think even with whoru's suboptimal mei play, NYXL is probably a top 10 team. I cannot say for sure since we have yet to see 6(?) teams debut, but I think it's well within the realm of possibility.
cosmic timber
FR : Je cherche une équipe pour l'overwatch open division saison 2 le 2 mars
tropic herald
I personally don’t see why, if NY wants to run dive they have to have nano blade
They don’t need a Gengi
They could have Libero run a doom
balmy wolf
Libero is a very good genji. It’s not fair to say he wouldn’t be good enough. Maybe whoru is better but Libero has OWL level on it and we’ve seen other genjis of his level this year, no need to be haksal to take the pick.
hidden vault
Personally I think the difference between Whoru's Mei and Libero's Mei is bigger then between their Genjis
So no reason not to play Libero over Whoru
Why are they changing their playstyles anyways?
karmic grotto
Why not?
If a player performs better than the other, why not?
This like the battle of Poko vs Fury
blissful heron
I think New York has no synergy, and they got so used to that playstyle that works so well
They just kinda suck
hidden vault
Cause iirc and according to the explanations above Libero has the better mei but they are playing Whoru because he has the better genji
However the hero that they are playing is Mei not Genji
balmy wolf
- he has better synergy with the rest of the team. I don’t get why contenders players are often presumed to be better than OWL seasoned ones.
For me it’s 50/50, half of them are at same level or better and the other half perform not so well in OWL.
And synergy is important too. Isn’t it supposed to be a team game?
fervent scaffold
if haksal's genji can be shut down with relative ease if he messes up one engage, you really think just a good genji is going to cut it the majority of the time against other mid-top teams? haksal and whoru to my knowledge are quite literally two of the best genji players in the world. if you want to run dive, I'd say you need people of their caliber on him to make it even feasible to work.
as for why they're changing playstyles, which has been shown to work better with modern overwatch? aggressive or defensive? as of late, aka the last year and a half, aggressive. if NY can figure out when to be aggro and when not to be, something they're quite obviously still in the process of learning, they will be a top 5 team easily because of their mechanical ability alone. until they figure it out, I wouldn't say they're much better than middle of the pack.
I honestly do not see poko being below fury in terms of skill. Both are some of the best on dva, but have slightly different styles. why would you swap one for the other when the team matches poko's style better? same for why whoru is playing genji instead of libero, except that one was a specialist for a while. sure, libero's genji probably is not bad, but if whoru's performed better with helping the team learn how to be aggro as they use dive, why would you put libero in? minute differences in playstyle can have massive changes for team synergy and output.
earnest leaf
Also why not pump whoru with owl experience
He's an amazing player so why bench him and not develop him as a player
karmic grotto
^
Nobody can possibly think if you don't play at stage, that you will get experience
Scrimming isn't owl experience
neither is contenders
It's actually playing, live, vs others
balmy wolf
Do you think SBB has kinda gotten rusty at that front?
He was benched a majority of the second season
and when he did play it was relatively uninspiring but granted his sombra game is just not very good
fervent scaffold
I cannot say personally, as I didn't watch season 1
hidden vault
I think SBB was benched last season cause nenne was the better zarya
cause of goats
not sure for after role lock comes in tho
bright cypress
He was better on reaper than nenne in playoffs
earnest leaf
Sbb is a great leader for the team
So keeping everyone in line probabaly helps when he is up
Curious to see how nenne's mcree is compared to sbb's
jagged crater
i like sbb
calm holly
balmy wolf
If you say that you need haksal to run dive because you need the best genji at last, 90% of OWL teams are denied to play dive. And as Haksal was countered, even Vancouver should abandon dive then? Your logic is weird...
You don’t need to have the best genji in the world to play dive. Toronto did this season and caused problems to one of the best teams.
If whoru plays, it’s probably because it represents the future of NYXL and not because he’s better than Libero, which he clearly isn’t on Mei, which represents 90% of NY plays.
raw ermine
This might just be off toronto-philly, but sombra doom dive seems better
its all so disruptive
balmy wolf
dive has many forms depending on the map
sombra dive works well on 2cp maps
since everything is cluster
astral crypt
raw ermine
where are the playoff matches played in?
celest spear
We don't know yet
upper niche
people have been put in asylums for less.
jagged crater
denid!
thick bronze
philly winning the whole season and if you think otherwise you wrong
hidden vault
I think otherwise:(
swift moth
hero pools are happening tommorow?
limber pine
no next weekend
Pools will use the Washington and Houston Homestands as the 10% minimum requirement for ban eligibility
which means it'll likely be mei and McCree
Ana or Lucio
Rein or Dva
midnight sage
This weekend linkzr on McCree, blase on Mei?! Hype
hidden vault
finally linkzer on mcree
limber pine
danteh on mccree lul
swift moth
@limber pine so teams get to ban? I thought it would be like the map pool system
balmy wolf
It’s based on playrate
It seems that Rein, Mei, McCree, and Lucio are the ones most likely banned
limber pine
hero bans are randomly drawn from heroes with over 10% playtime
balmy wolf
Wait when did it become randomly drawn
tight kestrel
Weighted drawn or just drawn?
limber pine
let me find it
swift moth
probably unweighted tbh
limber pine
swift moth
rein or dva 100% gone
limber pine
To clarify here - it’s a random drawing for each role among eligible heroes based on play rate data from weeks 3 (the matches we just saw) and week 4 (next weekend in Houston).
So all the damage heroes with significant play time go into a pool and then the desk will randomly pick two of them. For supports and tanks it’s the same except only one of each gets pulled for those roles.
Heroes with >= 10% play rate. As an illustration using week 2 match data (the actual hero pool for week 5 is based on weeks 3+4), the heroes that exceeded that threshold in week 2 were Rein / Orisa / D.Va for tanks, Mei / McCree / Widow / Reaper for damage, and Lucio / Ana / Bap / Moira / Brig for support.
So this is last week's usage
balmy wolf
:/
limber pine
If the meta stays the same, then the ban pool is:
Tanks: Rein/Dva/Winston
Support: Lucio/Ana
Damage: Mei/McCree
Mei and McCree would get banned by default
swift moth
bastion poggers
tight kestrel
Imagine Winston getting banned LUL
swift moth
if it's weighted average it would be interesting to see teams play less of their favorite heroes so they can use them in a match against a strong opponent
to try and lower the pickrate
also on your hero stats zarya doesn't seem to be there
has she not been played this season?
it also appears that zen and jakerat aren't there either
tight kestrel
They are there if you filter the full season
limber pine
my filter was just for last week, since the hero pool will only take into account last week and this week
quartz jetty
Hey all -- I'm a reporter for The Washington Post and I wrote some news this morning about the Pacific east of OWL: https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2020/02/28/asia-based-overwatch-league-teams-flying-los-angeles-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/
Happy to answer questions but also curious to see if anyone here has any questions as I keep reporting. 
jagged crater
Is it weighted random or completely random above 10%?
Complete random doesn't make sense
Banning orisa or Winston if theyre like 11% doesn't do anything if the other 2 tanks are 70+
fervent scaffold
I don't think we'll know until this weekend right before it happens
jagged crater
Has to be weighted
There's just no way
It should be using some sort of outlier formula
Dva and rein being far above the rest means only these two should be part of the random drawing
fervent scaffold
it's OWL, I don't expect shit
crisp storm
same dont expect it either
jagged crater
I expect them to get it right if they value first impressions of hero bans to be good
limber pine
yeah, it'll be extremely frustrating to see Moira and Winston banned.
celest spear
Any character with 10% or more playtime is randomly selected.
Teams are notified one-two weeks in advanced iirc
limber pine
yeah that's what we've said
we're just hoping it's not random as much as it's """random"""
celest spear
Ah, my b
Hopefully, the bans are..
Rein, Mei, McCree and Ana.
Rein might be the most likely, as if he wasn't banned, we'd probably go back to double shield.
tough osprey
it will probably be dva though, no?
i think it will be dva, mei, mccree, lucio
rather i hope so
grave sail
i would prefer lucio to stay in
lucio is a fun character to play and watch
also i think ana has been way more impactful so i think dva mei mcree ana
grave sail
bap has been nerfed to hell
grave sail
his imortality field only lasts 5 seconds his healing is now 50 and he deals less damage
celest spear
Bap is still used pretty often in OWL, he's far from useless
tough osprey
i haven't felt like baps have been useless in my matches
i think its just a matter of using his cooldowns more carefully
same as with the mei nerfs
grave sail
i guess
tough osprey
also his damage was absurd so i'm not mad, his matrix still has great dmg output
celest spear
As long as immortality field is a thing, and as long as Bap's DPS is untouched, he'll still be used
tough osprey
agreed
tight kestrel
Are they gonna do a digital draw or a draw with balls or something?
full orchid
What is the league for Pro overwatch that isn't OWL I can't remember the name
green stump
Contenders
full orchid
Thanks
jagged crater
it'd be funny if it's just cards in a hat lol
rein dva winston in a hat
oh winston shit...
limber pine
it's OWWC 2018 all over again
jagged crater
coinflip esports!
tight kestrel
They can make a weighted draw with balls or cards too, not that exact but they can put in a ball for each 5% or something or just pieces of paper
jagged crater
winston should not be in the pool anyway
tight kestrel
Mabye 10% it's a low percent
jagged crater
should be using some kind of outlier formula
tight kestrel
They need something easy to explain tho