Where the fucks water
#esports-discussion
last oar
He used to be gladiators academy
hot heart
Yeah
last oar
But then they disbanded
hot heart
But where now?
last oar
Idk prolly another t2 team
hot heart
Probably
hot heart
I wouldn't imagine any t1 team would sign both water and kephrii
That just doesnt make sense
hot heart
Ye
Its more of preparing their academy dps for t1
And since t2 is basically fucked
Thats not happening
last oar
Ya this situation has been tru for a while
hot heart
Hm
Who would pick him up
Wait
What t2 teams are left? @last oar
EM
EnvyUs
Hm
I dont watch t2 much
last oar
Me neither
sand violet
There is no t2 team who is looking to pick up kephrii
Alteast in NA
Unless they're trolling lmao
celest spear
Twitter
mint flower
Is taimou staying past season 3..?
raw ermine
The dps line of fuel is pretty stale, bar doha, so he might get the boot along side zach or akm
But idk
And decay
mint flower
Or maybe he'll be a streamer
hot heart
Decay pepelaugh
celest spear
sand violet
King Hydron is good
Awkward too
Idk milky or Halo
Oh milky was on giganti
So he's probably pretty good just based on assumptions
short sparrow
Triumph looks good
mint flower
celest spear
Ikea Valiant 
cloud latch
I kinda like their green yellow better
idle beacon
the screens over at OWL .. are they FHD or WQHD ?
worn cedar
Twitter
celest spear
raw ermine
Is he MS or FS?
cloud latch
main probably
celest spear
Main support
celest spear
So Taimou removed anything Fuel related from his twitter (except the @): https://twitter.com/DF_Taimou
Twitter
trail lodge
Ah yes
FDGOD
AMAZING pickup
absolutly insane piickup
Paris have made some pretty 
Moves
trail lodge
N
balmy wolf
it's already dead
trail lodge
Its growing
balmy wolf
so happy this is what blizzard gets
trail lodge
How
balmy wolf
shit balance
trail lodge
When its growing in the western world
balmy wolf
its not growing
balmy wolf
its not even top 5 on twitch
balmy wolf
why is league top 3
trail lodge
and ended in September
balmy wolf
always
balmy wolf
no toruneys going on
trail lodge
Bruh
balmy wolf
ITS GROWING
trail lodge
thats like saying
balmy wolf
dead game
trail lodge
F1 is dead
balmy wolf
waz f1?
trail lodge
Ok and
balmy wolf
and said he will stop making owl content
trail lodge
Ok and
balmy wolf
cuz there is no audience
balmy wolf
sponsors are pulling out
trail lodge
any OWL
Where
Also
you must be lonely af to join an Overwatch discord and say its a dead game
trail lodge
You need to get a life
balmy wolf
and shit player agency
balmy wolf
it's easier to carry in a game like fking dota then it is in overwatch
trail lodge
your in an overwatch discord
balmy wolf
So happy I quit this dead game
balmy wolf
??
trail lodge
Get some fresh air sweetie
trail lodge
instead of COMING INTO AN OVERWATCH DISCORD TO HATE ON THE GAME
Get some fresh air
Degen
trail lodge
You probaly
trail lodge
live with your parents
balmy wolf
LMAO
trail lodge
balmy wolf
i live on campus
trail lodge
Get a fucking life mate
trail lodge
You seem tilted too
Coming into an Overwatch discord to hate on people that like something you dont
trail lodge
Idk
balmy wolf
Press F
trail lodge
what you think
balmy wolf
😔
trail lodge
I played Adavanced warfare 2 years after it came out on PS3
balmy wolf
😔
trail lodge
I dont care
balmy wolf
😔
balmy wolf
😔
trail lodge
I will play it
sand violet
I'm guessing he's a contracted streamer now
He has Pepe shit all over his online profiles which isn't allowed if you're in OWL
and he removed mentions of Dallas fuel from his accounts
So I'm guessing he's a streamer
celest spear
He still has "Overwatch player" in his bio
trail lodge
Ok now that hes gone
FDGOD is shite
Kruise was bad
you need somone to replace him
not back him up if hes ill
raw ermine
Kruise was the only consistent person on Paris last year. They needed other parts, not a MS
raw ermine
Well Paris was consistently shit so yeah
trail lodge
And Kruise was one of the worse players on the team
and was 100% a role that needed to be upgraded
an actual good player on Paris was Lh
LH is gonna pop on LAG this season
tropic herald
Kruise was probably the best player on the Eternal
He was the only one that stayed good all season
And regarding Kephrii
He’s probs on a T2
Team
It’s wherever water goes
sand violet
I would be highly surprised if kephrii is on an na t2 team
atleast one thats any good
tropic herald
I think he might be a streamer for a team
hot heart
Eh
cloud latch
mehh
tropic herald
EU super team could’ve worked if they chose good EU players
blissful heron
my sentiments exactly
tropic herald
Instead they chose some decent and average players
blissful heron
benbest was the worst MT in the league, not average.
cloud latch
I think he meant eu not league
tropic herald
Out of EU is what I meant
trim shadow
There’s enough talent out there to make a decent eu squad
But teams go about it wrong
tropic herald
And now Paris has made a bad name for EU
So scouts don’t look as hard in that region
tropic herald
I’ll look into it
blissful heron
Fusions or Numlocked probably
MT Fusions/Numlocked
OT Finnsi- like that guy
Flex Dps Leaf
Histscan Soon
MS Kruise?
FS Unkoe
I'd have RCK floating around too
balmy wolf
I like fusions; shame he stuck in boston
tropic herald
I like Numlocked better
blissful heron
Fuck you say to me?
balmy wolf
I meant as a person
His rein is good but I havent seen much else from him that is notable
blissful heron
man the boston haters... nobody saying that gangnamjin is stuck in florida
trim shadow
Ellivote lulsish poko txao vizility Danye? Soon dragoneddy Fdgod crusade Greyy
blissful heron
boston had so much potential, a bad week that festered because of a long break, and a "coaching by committee" idea that doesn't work
tropic herald
You can also pick Asking
balmy wolf
Cause boston crap that came out in season 1 and the ppl who left calling out boston for being a shit org
blissful heron
and having to rebuild while deprioritized
trim shadow
Honestly if london was gonna sell there team they shouldve gotten eu talent
blissful heron
boston had its share of problems, but they look promising if you look at all the facts
trim shadow
And Kyb
balmy wolf
They were about to leave some korean player in america until pressured and called out by literally everybody for being that big of an ass
One of their players got notified he was fired through a public Twitter post
blissful heron
You are confusing "some korean player" with Mistakes
blissful heron
Something from a friend btw
I am getting a little tired of people saying the Boston Uprising players are bad.
If Colourhex was from North America, he would be as popular as Surefour.
If Munchkin had been signed by a different team, he would not be considered washed up.
If Jerry had been on any full-Korean team, nobody would doubt him.
If Fusions was from Korea, he would be considered a top 10 main tank.
If Axxiom had been on a different team, people would not have forgotten he exists.
If Brussen was not from Europe, people would say he's a promising fresh face.
If Mouffin had tried out at another team, people would shame Team Canada's coaches for playing NotE over him.
If Swimmer was Korean, teams would wait in line to sign him as their main support.
And if Myunbong had been signed by any other team, he would be in the conversation for Rookie of the Year.
The biggest problem last year was the coaching, not the players.
(And better coaches would have gotten the support line-up situation under control.)
@balmy wolf
balmy wolf
I’m not against boston’s players; I’m against the org and their shit treatment of their players. If a good chunk of your players who left publicly call you out for being real fucking shit then yea I’m gonna say “Wow this org probably treats their players like shit.”
trim shadow
That myunbong one kinda holds weight
blissful heron
s1 boston won and treated their players somewhat poorly.
s2 boston lost and treated their players well.
trim shadow
blissful heron
i like the gig pickup
balmy wolf
I say shame that fusions is stuck on boston cause he is a good lad whom I heard nothing but good things for and as someone who is down for good eu players, I was shocked paris didnt take him
blissful heron
he was scouted by boston straight out of owwc, and placed on a two way.
tropic herald
People wanted Mouffin over Note
blissful heron
if atlanta picked him up...
blissful heron
london should have gone mixed.
there's a lot of koreans but bdosin is still lft
myunbong is arguably better but who is playing flex support now
trim shadow
Flex support for what team
blissful heron
london
blissful heron
any good?
trim shadow
London is a big fat question mark
raw ermine
wasn't JMAC well known?
tropic herald
Who?
trim shadow
Everyone comes from middle to last t2 teams
raw ermine
maybe?
trim shadow
And sanguinar is ripped from t3
Jmac played in the gauntlet but his team got stomped so idk how good he is
blissful heron
london's going to underpreform, but the league loves to hate boston.
blissful heron
i think boston gets 15th. They're a bottom 5 team on paper yes but not dead last
tropic herald
hot heart
Thats so cool
dawn vale
Any reason why teams are switching colors around?
raw ermine
Bad seasons are obviously caused by bad colours
nah idk
Not very many ppl liked Florida's mcdonalds theme
but valiant idk
trim shadow
San fransicso is also suppose to be changing colors to
balmy wolf
why are all the overwatch leauge skins now PINK?!
trail lodge
Fusions
Is not
Good
Scouted out of a tourney where he got carried by kybs brig
Was dogshit in EU contenders 2018 S2 and was medicore in NA contenders 2018 S3
Had a year of hard feeding in OWL
How this man is still justifying a starter contract is fucking amazing
@tropic herald uhhhh
Bernar?
Fuze?
Highly?
Jmac?
balmy wolf
florida mayhem skins will not be purchasable during the change?
hot heart
The original McDonald Mayhem skins will Not be available for purchase After the 15 of January so you have exactly 1 week to get them @balmy wolf
After that
The Miami vice skins are the only ones that will be available for purchase
blissful heron
@trail lodge I wanna call that a "take" but I can't do that to myself
sullen berry
Valiant is getting mistaken for Aussie branding
blissful heron
that's just deadass wrong. If he was a korean, he would be hailed as a god. Who do you believe is better, Swon, Benbest, Fusions or Janus? There's only one main tank I just mentioned who had a winning record in goats. Heck, they hadn't even peaked, but boston's coaches were ass. They had some "coaching by commitee" crap or something, no real leader. They made the decision to bench their flex support and sign a guy who just wasn't up for the task, that's why they fell apart. Also, fusions was targeted because the team was a bunch of introverts, and boston looked bronze w/o shotcallers. Fusions is an excellent MT player.
sullen berry
Green and Gold was their decision to change because either they hate money or just have their own identity crisis every year
sullen berry
That’s what valiant discord is saying, but nobody is going to confirm anything but getting closer to UCLA
trail lodge
Fusions is dogshit
blissful heron
grabs popcorn
trail lodge
Dont give me that korean bullshit considering pre OWWC this year I had USA winning
Fusions is on the same level as Benbest Janus and Swon
blissful heron
the community treats koreans like winning machines, not people
trail lodge
I dont
sullen berry
He took the re-sign option and he had it offered after 1 year
blissful heron
what do you think of axxiom then
trail lodge
Wasted talent
blissful heron
the community thinks that koreans=win
trail lodge
He was supposed to be bostons starter tank but got benched on MT because he was stuck on Zarya because of Chex ban
Axxiom was actually good tho in tier 2
Fusions got relgeated to trails and got carried by kragie
blissful heron
a friend from a discord on korean contenders: I can fault Toronto Defiant and Florida Mayhem for signing the dregs of Korean Contenders and expecting to be better than any team with western players on their roster. It's poor imitation without understanding.
trail lodge
Ok and
Idc what nationality they are
so idk your point here
I was high on Fusions coming into 2019
But I faced the facts
he is shit
blissful heron
the resume between axxiom and fusions is a winning stage in owl and middle of the pack contenders results
trail lodge
Imagine super agression but without the plays just the feeds and thats fusions
blissful heron
and he fucking works hard too. he got praise from the coaching staff
trail lodge
Axxiom was on the 2nd best NA tier 2 team
trail lodge
Toronto Esporrts was the only team that took a map off of Fusion Uni in 2018 S2 contenders
Axxiom is way better than fusions but fell behind because of Synergy
Fusions is a bottom tier MT and that will never change
Fusions cant even play fucking Orisa
Even Janus wasnt a complete bot on Orisa
blissful heron
his orisa is underrated
blissful heron
fusions
trail lodge
How
balmy wolf
@hot heart oh
balmy wolf
i have widows, mercy, sombra and dva from that team anyways
trail lodge
almost as bad as Bumpers
🦀 Bumpers fortify is on cooldown 🦀
🦀 Bumpers fortify is on cooldown 🦀
🦀 Bumpers fortify is on cooldown 🦀
🦀 Bumpers fortify is on cooldown 🦀
blissful heron
corey could play dps in a new meta, and carried because of it. no one knew what to do, no need to credit his team.
trail lodge
Bumper popping fortify on max health behind a sheild when their mei has blizzard ready 
But fr
Fusions is dogshit
Shouldnt be in OWL
Way better MT's in tier 2
He was never that impressive pre 2019
He only made OWL because of his publicity and not his actual talent
sullen berry
Okay, but for Boston who have to thats their threshold of a “good player”
Fusions was not an impressive main tank when he had to go into something else
But when he came back into rein and it was no longer about him as the main driver for every team fight
He definitely played much worse thanks to role lock pre- and during stage 4
@trail lodge I guess you could technically he did change
But he adapted to new metas worse than 6 players on outlaws that’s not Danteh or Rawkus
At least Rawkus showed improvement when they put less of their focus on making it into another stage playoff
jagged crater
Taimou using Pepe memes, confirmed out of OWL as a player
mint flower
yeah he's likely a streamer
red lotus
opinions on high schools doing esports teams? my state just started a high school league for overwatch and some other games. its very very gold/silver strats. our schools is one of the better ones we have won most our games in the league so far but lost one
burnt zenith
I think it’s good, because it will set up a more solid competitive ecosystem that the developer doesn’t have to handle entirely
sullen berry
I'm not sure what perspective you were going for, but the school probably gets a kick out of students needing personal or assigned laptops/computers
And using said computers for extracurricular activities to get their moneys worth before they scrap them for 5 years
Which is about the maximum lifetime I have for OW League to start losing teams or discontinue at a loss
sullen berry
Twitter
so long as you've got players like this keeping the tier 2 scene lights on
really comes down to activision blizzard's decision if they don't find their return
like what numerous people have been saying here the worry will be that they drag OWL down like they dud with Blizzard Dota HGC if there's no business incentive to continue
sullen berry
Maybe
dry pelican
i swear we did lol
sullen berry
I could be one of a dozen Battlenet
sullen berry
or Krusher99
dry pelican
sorry my bad
"Silentstorm"
but im sorry
w8 so is OW on the downslope or somthing?
gaunt acorn
@dry pelican use the lfg channels to find teammates
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/lgflanagan/status/1213960846713339906 nice thread from Lauren Flanagan Theorycraft advisory firm
you know
that group everyone knows monte co-founded with her
@pearl stratus any thoughts?
jagged crater
oputo one of the few veterans i still see that enjoy the game 😦
There aren't many of the 2016 era still left
tropic herald
Have NA Contenders players been paid yet
trail lodge
Just gonna go from Orange grey to Orange Black
cloud latch
back to orange white
raw ermine
Doesn't feel that different to me
sullen berry
It’s less monocolour
Where I felt natural to see the entire logo as one dark colour over a lighter one
Perhaps they realised their merch had to stand out more with every gamers favourite colour
sullen berry
They dropped it from the background, so it’s now front and center
Be practical and think about anyone who you remember wearing something good in orange
I suppose that’s what philly fusion was thinking going orange on black
Far more iconic and also looks as if it was dipped in Fanta
jaunty tapir
so... is they going to be a major balance update before OWL or is the game going to literally die due to the rock paper scissors garbage state this game is in?
karmic grotto
Stop being an echo chamber
The game is not dying
They've been saying that since 2016
jaunty tapir
hmmm. you must like rock paper scissors. good balancing. probably next lead dev at blizzard you are.
you probably chopped your cock off, have 3 tits now and preach to starving trees in your back yard.
karmic grotto
Anyways, it's not dying, but dying slowly :)
tropic herald
Possibly one of the single most aggressive responses, wow, you’re mad at something
mint flower
trim shadow
Saw that coming
trim shadow
How was ur taste of owl for a good what 2-3 months
raw ermine
He plays every hero Agilities plays, but worse
simple as that
maybe if they need a torb they will bring him in
but S4 has a great Hanzo so he will play that
balmy wolf
and widow ^
sand violet
Mangachu will just go back to rolling contenders
But now on a salaried team with potential team house (idk if Toronto does)
Anyways a dps line of mangachu leaf Tanner is fucking insane for contenders
Possibly the best DPS line in NA now
For contenders I mean
short sparrow
This is a pog roster
trim shadow
A 1 tourney wonder 
trail lodge
Chanyne is infamous for being shit
Chanye was litterally on Montreal when they 1st became a thing
And got dropped because he was shit
Tanner is a ladder only player and has never looked good in any tourney
Dirdo is medicore
Wait wtf
They actually just "poached" the worst tankline in last season of NA contenders
That roster is hot trash other than Mangachu and Roky
Imagine
Dropping Vizility
For fucking leaf
@trim shadow Leaf fed his brains out in EU
Cant wait to see how good he'll do on 120 ping!
Also Ultraviolet being released basically tells me Fran is on Montreal
sullen berry
Vizility hasn't looked great as he was hyped going into OWWC, at least from what I've been exposed to (not much)
trail lodge
It dosent really matter how well/bad a player does at OWWC
Only matters with cases like Rat outpreforming Snillo
But that roster is a bottom tier team
All their wins will be Mangachu carry
@sand violet Speedily Asking
Is better
I'm actually malding over how shit that Montreal roster is
So hard
sand violet
I actually hard disagree with a ton of your tanks
Can't explain rn give me a while
Takes*
raw ermine
i had never heard of any of them except the 2 TD players, chayne, leaf and tanner
trail lodge
Leaf was medicore
For his entire time on gig
Kinda massive fuck you to all the players that looked class in EU but arent even given tryouts to an acad team
trim shadow
raw ermine
whether you think he derserves to be in the league or not, you gotta give a bit fat ole F for taimou
oh
worn falcon
I dont understand, so he got some manager role in Envy?
raw ermine
I thought he was retiring
no
He is going into path to pro
so team envy I guess?
idk
yeah
worn falcon
trail lodge
Taimou does desvere to be in OWL
sand violet
Okay don't feel like arguing this a ton because I'm OMEGA tired and still have Scrims and basketball practice but I hard disagree with Leaf being mediocre or Tanner being only good on Ladder. Tanner has dominated on widow any time he's touched the hero including in actual matches and t2. I don't think Chayne is that good but that's just the weakest part of the roster. Also idk why you think Fran is on mtrl?
worn falcon
yep, back to Envy
trail lodge
His aim is still there
sand violet
I'm super confident that team won't be bottom tier unless Chayne explodes
trail lodge
Its gonna take me a long ass time to find the ss but I remember seeing a ss of a tier 3 coach saying the reason why Fran got dropped by revival is because she would complain about Aspen a shit ton and as soon as the Revial GM found out she had an offer from Montreal he told her to "fuck off and sit on the bench"
This was like the day after she got released so fml
trail lodge
And also Montreal havent said who's replacing Ultraviolet
Yet
So saving a big announcement for later
hot heart
Taimou is pretyy cracked on widow
sand violet
If they pickup Fran then i would doubt the team more
hot heart
Imagine if he was on a team like outlaws
Yes they have linkzr
But now they have a cracked back up
trail lodge
I'm missing permissions to send images
But I have 200iq
Montreal going for publicity over actual talent
trail lodge
Salieri
sand violet
and ngl it sounds like something he would say LMAO
Oh thats sal
if its true then I think they'll be weaker
but oh well
trail lodge
Montreal going for publicity over actual talent
sand violet
Still think the dps line is stacked
celest spear
Twitter
sand violet
If thats the dps line then thats fine lmao
I think there are very few teams that could compete ESPECIALLY in a widow meta
trail lodge
Isnt this like Tanners 1st time on a starter postion
in tier 2
Because he was benched on CC
I mean you worked with him on CC
sand violet
He was benched on CC cause goats meta tho
and politics
which I wont leak
but not his fault
sand violet
and then it was also goats meta on phase 2 but he was allowed to be dedicated hitscan there
and now with 2/2/2
he'll actually have a chance
Idk how good his hanzo is
but when he told me he was on Mtrl before I knew the rest of the roster
trail lodge
CC I've heard about the shit that was going down on that team at the time
trail lodge
not all but I can get an Idea
sand violet
It was
a fucking shit show
too much to explain
it would take
30 minutes of talking
to explain it all
trail lodge
I understand CC being benched but idk about Phase 2
sand violet
phase 2 was goats and then after he got played for a little
which was rare ya know cause goatsd
I think there was drama
but I cant remember who started it
but I think someone got a problem with tanner? dont wanna speculate cause I dont know for sure or remember
so the solution was just bench him since ya know he wasnt a starter before
didnt he play dva or some shit once for phase 2 or was that someone else lmao
I think he did
yeah he did I have the pic LOL
so that team was still scuffed but not nearly as bad as cc
trail lodge
what game was this
sand violet
if he gets a chance to start on mtrl he could do big things based on meta or if he gets to play widow
late into the season
I think pika was sick or something
so they played tanner on dva
trail lodge
So like after Phase 2 was in playoffs
sand violet
probably?
trail lodge
Because Phase 2 was sick af last season
sand violet
Its really hard to remember especially rn cause im low energy
trail lodge
Phase 2
last season
was like the best non acad team
If they got legion instead of atlanta in the semi finals
they would of been at guantlet
would of been pog af if an unsinged team made guantlet
but they had to get put against atlanata 
sand violet
ok I cross referenced
it was during trials
before their contenders season
forced to play dva in a 2-3 loss to tea party
I would argue third impact was best unsigned team till just before gauntlet
but meta shifted and they werent prepped
trail lodge
On paper yes
but they didnt look that good vs Legion
If I remember correctly it was kinda a roll
yeah
the 1st 2 maps were close
but the 2nd half was a roll
I mean Phase 2 look good vs the 2nd best tier 2 team
so
sand violet
I think it was mostly just cause they were more adaptable at the end
because of their unpredictable comp
which they played after studying phase 1
who had been playing it for a long time
w/ the help of um whats his name
cyphate
trail lodge
Spilo still pogU coach
hot heart
Does anyone here think London has a chance of getting 13th place or higher
trail lodge
??????????
How tf
Is London bottom 3
This is like last season when some kid tried to say GZ was bottom 3
London have some class players
Their support duo is actually kinda pog
Highly Fuze
Glister Schwi
Bernar Jmac
Jihun = korean ameng
so godly ball player
And they have Pavane and Twinkl
as coaches
thats not a bottom 3 team
balmy wolf
Who?
trail lodge
Honestly feel like London could be fucking unstoppable in 2021
hot heart
Thats if OWL actually lives long enough
trail lodge
Lot of young players that have huge potential getting their break
hot heart
True
trail lodge
It will
trail lodge
because theres contracts with sponsors that end in like 2022
hot heart
They lost nat nanzer
trail lodge
Off of twitch ads, OWL all access passes, Tv deals etc
And
New things like the OWL changes personnel all the time at the start
hot heart
So you think OWL is more likely to thrive than die?
trail lodge
Yes
In fact my favourite sport F1 didnt even have any proper ownership untill 1974 when the inaugural season was in 1950
hot heart
Reasonable
I just feel like with the recent shit being tweeted by the casters
Theres a real chance owl might start loosing a considerable anount of money
raw ermine
washington 7th? idk about that
they are lower down
lol imagine SFS just suck this season
and destroy all power rankings
raw ermine
but imagine
trail lodge
Is fair
Do have potential to be top 5 but idk if they have the experience to be playing at that high of a level so consistently
trail lodge
uhh
raw ermine
they are really good
trail lodge
They have no Sigma
raw ermine
but the dps line is cracked
raw ermine
Lip, Diem,Dding, Fleta
trail lodge
Fleta good
DDing is a sombra pharah 2 trick
Crusty said it himself
Diem is a widow 1 trick my guy
trail lodge
Pharah and Sombra are so garbage rn
raw ermine
and Lip popped off in the invitational
trail lodge
The meme tourney
That tourney meant so little
The players werent taking it seriously
and why would they?
Bro
Shanghai
lost to Toronto
in 2-2-2
trail lodge
Shanghai also got clapped by philly
in end of season playoffs
They lost their best player
Gamsu
trail lodge
And they wont get to ever again
trail lodge
Shanghai are the same as Chengdu rn
they played off meta with their weird dps comps
but as soon as everyone else was forced to play dps they lost their personality and became medicore
Shanghai are medicore
so 13th suits them
raw ermine
they are 14th
trail lodge
13th 14th same thing really
raw ermine
how are they the same as CH with 3 teams in between them
trail lodge
Not really because Ating I wouldnt even say is an Acad level MT
raw ermine
Ameng is god tier ball, Decent rein and orisa
trail lodge
Ball is trash
His Rein is good
But his Orisa is kinda bad
Orisa sig is the hard meta in pro play
raw ermine
if mei is nerfed then ball could come back
trail lodge
mei isnt the issue
Orisa Sig
is
Losing Rui
Is a huge part
Of why I think Chengdu will be so bad
raw ermine
Still
trail lodge
Losing Rui is going to send Chengdu way way down
raw ermine
how is chengdu the same as Shanghai then with shanghai being 14, and chengu being 18-19
hot heart
I feel bad for ameng and leave
If they were on like hanzhou
That would've been amazing
Guxue Ameng
Holy
Kreygasm
trail lodge
Guxue Ria
raw ermine
and see them pop of at WC
raw ermine
well guxue -ameng won't either
trail lodge
It'll just be a specific comp not a meta
raw ermine
unless
hot heart
Unless...
last oar
chengdu is alright imo
trail lodge
@hot heart I'm a realist not a dreamer :)
hot heart
@trail lodge
hot heart
Who???
trail lodge
@Danxv33#6959
hot heart
hot heart
@raw ermine
balmy wolf
they got muted
hot heart
Why? @balmy wolf
trail lodge
Y tho
balmy wolf
dont know
balmy wolf
I think people are putting Washington too high
They got new players to fill out the roster, but none were 'upgrades' over the previous roster
hot heart
He was muted for spamming the money bag emotes @trail lodge
@balmy wolf where would you put them on your rankings?
For me its like a 10
balmy wolf
below 10
balmy wolf
if their going towards playoffs then most likely their gonna do it for play ins
hot heart
Like 15th?
Not taking into account how boston and valiant are gonna do
Yeah
Like
Barely get into play ins
Maybe win the quarter finals and thats it
Its depends on the meta for Washington
Stratus can realistically only play mei
And corey needs a sniper heavy meta to pop off @balmy wolf
balmy wolf
corey is fine
hes ones of the better hitscans
this is like a profit type thing
the team surrounding profit is meh
but profit is good himself
raw ermine
I am back friends
mint flower
oh would you look at that
raw ermine
Sincere apologies go a long way
mint flower
hes unmuted
raw ermine
so yeah Guxue-Ameng would be expensive
raw ermine
only would happen if a OWWC happened in a ball-winston meta
balmy wolf
is there any new skins from san francisco shock?
mint flower
yeah
balmy wolf
because i'd love to see their new look
balmy wolf
t looks a lot similar to the grey league skins
mint flower
i like the originals more tbh
balmy wolf
it*
idk if anyone can agree
but it looks a lot similar to the grey league skins
but they look a bit different
cloud latch
I need a doomfist one
trim shadow
But the jerseys are what matters
trail lodge
Looks like just your typical bottom tier unsigned team
trail lodge
Their supports are good
But supports cant carry a team
Mac was on Team Austria but was benched for minimi
tropic herald
Well not this meta
trail lodge
Bap
Can carry
2nd support is up to debatw
Probably zen but who knows
Dps is lackluster
Shockwave is an EU ladder monster and could be good
tropic herald
Shock =/= Shockwave right?
tropic herald
Okay
trail lodge
Shockwave is a Danish dps
trail lodge
Hmm
tropic herald
And teams
trail lodge
Actually
Dimes was on OMS
The best tier 3 NA team
Could be wrong
An EU tankline with no tier 2 experience playing on 120ping is a 
balmy wolf
trill played in NA contenders with 200 ping and destroyed teams
balmy wolf
sucks to be in DF probs
hot heart
@trail lodge gimme your power ranking for season 3
trail lodge
tropic herald
Are they in order within the tiers?
Either way
The thing I strongly disagree with is
Phily
tropic herald
Ok
tropic herald
I also think Pairs will start off lower but might climb a little
tropic herald
I also don’t understand the hype about Hangzhou
trail lodge
Or well at least near the bottomish
tropic herald
They changed very little
And last off season
Teams that made few changes were very clearly not good
tropic herald
Yeah
trail lodge
So
tropic herald
I’m not saying they will be bottom tier
trail lodge
Gone a little bit backwards but still good
trail lodge
Nah their main 6 is class
Idk why but feel like Winston could make a comeback at around week 22
Because that's usually when a huge meta change comes in
tropic herald
I’m going to say Ball is probably going to come in if they nerf Orisa but keep ball the same
Ball Winston maybe
Or just rein Zarya
trail lodge
It'll just come down to the power of other dps
and supports
Guxue is so good on Winston he can make him work even if hes off meta
tropic herald
Gengi is clearly good with his 51% wr kapp
trail lodge
Bearing in mind Off meta is different from being complete trash
tropic herald
Does Ria have a ball
tropic herald
But a better Winston