He has alot of promise
#esports-discussion
hot heart
tropic herald
He’s probably going to just be backup
trim shadow
Im probably one of the few who predicts whoru will start
hidden vault
I think he will be booted cause of his behavior
trim shadow
Dude has been out of the pro light for what a year
And people still believe whoru is old whoru
If that was the case how is haksal still on Vancouver 
hidden vault
I think he would not be better then libero but he will start when libo needs to rest
hot heart
He has the potential to be better than libero on specific heroes
Its kind of like pines situation
But if they have a doom meta
WhoRU is definitely starting
balmy wolf
Please god, no doomfist meta.
hot heart
I know
balmy wolf
Last thing I need to see is a Chipsa ego boost
hot heart
ChipSa
I want to see a doom meta for one stage
Just to see WhoRU and chipSa play
It would make watching the meta fun tbh
ChipSa baby raging on stage
And WhoRU getting a 6k
balmy wolf
I want to see Chipsa cry out of his ass after claiming he wouldn't be a bench boy
NYXL's Hotba pick up is slightly concerning to me
cause I don't think hotba is actually that good of a player/off tank and I don't know who Bianca is
hot heart
From what ive heard biaNca is good
I think he was on xl2
Theyre just looking for more aggressive players
Which i guess is okay
tropic herald
NY is trying to change from passive to aggressive
That’s what held them back a lot
hot heart
But like why would you change the way you play if you already played your style amazingly
Ye
tropic herald
The teams that were beating NY consistently
Are all aggressive
SFS VAN ATL are all aggressive
hot heart
What would you rank ATL VAN SFS NYXL And Charge?
tropic herald
Current rosters?
balmy wolf
SFS is still top tier
analog lark
Fissure is a downgrade from Bumper tbh
raw ermine
Yeah
tropic herald
SFS is top
raw ermine
Shock is the best sadly
tropic herald
ATL next
balmy wolf
NYXL is, as they usually are top 5 but never truly number 1
tropic herald
VAN and NY are 3-4
balmy wolf
Vancouver got a tank upgrade but they lost syngergy for it but granted the amount of synergy required isn't as high since goats is dead
raw ermine
I still think tizi-bumper is much better than fissure
balmy wolf
Tho fissure is likely to have a break down again in like idk stage 3-4
raw ermine
In a rein-orsia meta they could be deadly, if it happens
hot heart
I dont know why the fuck they dropped tizi
balmy wolf
Dude has been booted off London, Gladiators, and Seoul
tropic herald
Fissure is much better than Bumper and Tizi skill related
hot heart
Yeah
raw ermine
Fissure said he put a clause in his contract disallowing him from retiring early
raw ermine
so he at least is determined not to break down
hot heart
But still
tropic herald
Fissure has higher carry potential
balmy wolf
I mean you can say that but that won't stop him from being benched or being a huge pain in their ass
he can't quit like he did seoul but he sure as hell can be benched
hot heart
Omg
tropic herald
Boi
raw ermine
:P
balmy wolf
Another mid season pick up or something or taking bumper back cause no other team wanted him
tropic herald
My keyboard
raw ermine
Tizi too
hot heart
@balmy wolf i would resign him
tropic herald
I can’t type
raw ermine
and Jehong was a kinda weird choice
balmy wolf
Jehong was a weird choice
hot heart
Jehong is just there for the veteran experience
tropic herald
Jehong might as well be a coach
hot heart
They have twighlight
raw ermine
like, maybe in some maps you could sub him in to play along side Twilight in a double flex team comp
raw ermine
idk about replacing twilight
balmy wolf
Twilight is new Jjonak; having him out is borderline throw
hot heart
What do yout think of jehongs moira compared to twighlights moira?
raw ermine
yeah
tropic herald
Assuming Moira is going to be in pro play
raw ermine
Moira isn't all that hard to play, so I would go for synergy with the team and play twilight
balmy wolf
I assume a Moira meta isn't coming since Baptiste just does the job so much better and blizzard is trying to make sure double shield goes down
raw ermine
Bap-zen could easily be played by Jehong-twilight
tropic herald
I assume Slime is grinding Bap rn?
hot heart
Probably
trim shadow
@balmy wolf how many times we gotta say in fissures contract he cant quit unless released 
balmy wolf
He can't quit but doesn't mean he won't be a pain in the team's ass
tropic herald
He said he’s at least trying to not be
trim shadow
Fissure is commited dude full on
balmy wolf
I mean He had jehong's support literally this season and that didn't help
pearl stratus
Runaway are at least used to playing with mediocre overaggressive tanks.
balmy wolf
Dafran's grav or the great bamboozle by gladiators was phenomenal
karmic grotto
Not unless you have Dafran fan boys
balmy wolf
the great bamboozle was glads on kings Row vs spitfire right?
tropic herald
Yeah
raw ermine
Lane Roberts, the canadian superstar
blazing dome
IM37 wins
ancient yarrow
GLOBAMA
ancient yarrow
i got a warming
karmic grotto
k
ancient yarrow
this is not epic
jagged crater
You think blizz can fit in one more balance patch before season 3?
karmic grotto
yes
hot heart
Maybe
rancid jolt
i recently got a 144hz monitor and was seeing a complete difference with everything in games but i watched a video saying 144hz doesnt work with hdmi? i have a display port i can use instead but i would rather not since i'd have to buy a cable for that. am iseeign a visual differencei n graphics but in games it would not help?
balmy wolf
@rancid jolt i assume ur pc, correct?
rancid jolt
yea
i didnt mean to keep this up ialready got help on general
just wodnering though does freesync matter that much?
mint turtle
@rancid jolt better off asking about this kinda stuff in general or ow-d for future reference
And freesync/g-sync arent that important for me personally
balmy wolf
I'd like the DVA nerf to be reverted
raw ermine
which one? size? back to 1 second?
raw ermine
both
it did have a cooldown, it was just 1 second
but it felt like nothing
its at 1.5 now
balmy wolf
No before that one as well there was no cool down
there was
it was like 0.75 sec
or 0.5
ye 0.5 cos they did x4 to make it 2sec
then reduced to 1 then 1.5
I think
raw ermine
Is he leaving forever or only for his 2 years mandatory military service?
pearl stratus
At least 2 years, no clue after. That's a long time.
snow crown
Anyone wanna join my team?
snow crown
Sorry
raw ermine
np
dawn vale
The esports scene will be different in x months. Some individuals can bounce back better than others.
And I thought it wasn’t 2 years flat for service anymore? It was depending on what division you were enlisting in
minor flame
🦀 halo was wrong on leaks 🦀
raw ermine
I looked it up, it depends on the branch
it is just less than 2 years, lowest being 18 months, highest being 22
celest spear
balmy wolf
@celest spear he played for UK team in world cup?
righht?
ye he did
he didnt rlly impress this year
and last year im pretty sure he didnt play much
]
jagged crater
Guard barely played, damn shame
Sucks to finally join OWL only to join during an unfavorable meta
celest spear
He didn't play last year and did fine this year
Team UK as a whole dropped the ball this year
All UK did this year was beat France, take South Korea to five maps, then lose every other match in prelims pretty badly
fossil rain
anyone know a discord where i could tryout for overwatch teams?
fossil rain
i dont mean top tear taems, just like a small discord with team spots
karmic grotto
ohhh
overwatch teams
sorry dude
I read it worng
I thought overwatch league teams
^this is what you need
worn cedar
supple prism
raw ermine
idk
sharp mural
When is the next OWL season?
mint flower
Feb 8 2020
tropic herald
Last year it started on the 14th and that was iconic, wish they would do that again
Also, will there be show matches or not?
pearl stratus
There's some exhibitions, but I doubt there will be actual show matches.
Or at least not show matches in which teams actually try.
The team that tries hard in a show match is the team thats going to fail in the season.
The Shanghai one was perfect since it was pre-patch, so trying hard didn't show anything off.
Now would all be post patch stuff.
celest spear
Yeah, teams don't try too much in the pre season matches
the first handful of matches will be in Dallas and New York
hot heart
Does anyone here actually think ChipSa Will be a top/Mid tier dps in OWL
balmy wolf
If you do you're a chipsa fanboi and clearly have never seen OWL
raw ermine
In doomfist, he will be decent, anything else there is no way EQO or ivy wouldn't be played over him
vale pond
I see him being an ok sub
he's also more for fanbase reasons
chipsa fans come to fusion
they let him pop off on doom against houston and ezpz
money
trim shadow
Chipsa fans will probably be more toxic then dafran fans
balmy wolf
I do not expect him to get any actual serious play time
bright cypress
He might come in to meme against terrible teams
karmic grotto
He won't be a bench warmer
minor flame
High doubt
Doom doesnt look to be dominant and I dont see him to have reason to be placed over the other dps
raw ermine
maybe he is like pine, for control only
minor flame
Meh
We'll just have to see
But so far nothing really stands out for him other than playing Doom placed with the other dps
balmy wolf
well it would be 6 if snillo was still on the steam
tropic herald
Chipsa is really just there for the big name
balmy wolf
heesu
minor flame
What does Heesu play
balmy wolf
Hitscan based of liqupedia
tropic herald
Hitscan
tropic herald
Heesu is underage though
minor flame
Ivy and Carpe are definitely enough
balmy wolf
ivy and eqo are both flex dps
tropic herald
He’s flex
raw ermine
He was a good zarya but he is projectile
balmy wolf
eqo is just eqo, his hero pool is bigger than it seems
tropic herald
Toronto did Goats weird
minor flame
Hitscan should be covered with Carpe
Projectile has Eqo and Ivy
Not sure how Chipsa beats any of them in a specific role
Besides doom
raw ermine
Like pine yeah
balmy wolf
Pine could've been a full time starter during double sniper on another team
that how good he was on widow
minor flame
Pine plays like ladder dps thats his main gimmick and downside
tropic herald
He’s streaky too
minor flame
Chipsa could be similar to that gimmick
tropic herald
ANS is supposedly an insane widow and Hanzo
balmy wolf
ANS is actually a pro player u know
tropic herald
He was tearing up KR ladder with widow earlier
balmy wolf
ANS played in KR contenders, but his team was streaky
raw ermine
I litereally cannot think of a higher honor in the universe
balmy wolf
but most of his teammates were picked up in OWL
But if u see ANS on stream, watch him for a few mintues. Hes a living highlight reel
raw ermine
You could have the leader of the UN give you a medal of some sorts for doing something, and being "Hand picked by crusty" is still a higher honor
balmy wolf
ANS?
tropic herald
Yes
balmy wolf
Well its pretty obvious hes a specialist
tropic herald
Yeah but he’s not a bad specialist at least
balmy wolf
No point in adding another flex where u have 2 flex players
maybe 3 if u count sinatraa
balmy wolf
Im waiting for what outlaws are gonna sign next
raw ermine
Vancouver I am not so hot on RN
balmy wolf
why is everyone underrating spark again
raw ermine
They should have kept Tizi and Bumper
tropic herald
Everyone underrating them rn
raw ermine
Fissure I believe could make or break them
tropic herald
Spark is getting underrated bc all they did was drop players
I think Fissure will help them
balmy wolf
fissure is a ticking time bomb
tropic herald
Fissure is a time bomb
balmy wolf
Apparently krystal is getting sued
tropic herald
Then after those 4 LAG is def top 8
Then maybe Spark
And Chengdu and Seoul maybe
mint flower
Glads top 8?
tropic herald
They aren’t bad
raw ermine
dps is interesting
tropic herald
Just not top 4
raw ermine
yeah
tropic herald
Probably 8
trim shadow
Welcome to adult hood sinatraa
Honestly the 50k minimum is poverty compared to other contracts per leauge csgo Dota sometimes ETC
trim shadow
California government is shite
balmy wolf
thats actually how bonus money is usually taxed
bugha won 3 mil and got taxed, he was left with about half of it
trim shadow
Nba players get taxed just above half tho
balmy wolf
well the tweet is a bit of a joke
cuz no one gets tax that high realistically
and he'll getting most of the money back in tax returns
trim shadow
If sinatraa even knows how to file taxes
balmy wolf
yea the org behind is not stupid
probs everyone in the league was told how to properly file taxes
trim shadow
Sinatraa was technically born in america right so id imagine his parents taught him about that when he first got the contract and all the clauses
Dont think itll@be different for everyone born over seas since taxation is different
pearl stratus
Wait people think Glads are top 8?
O.o
What the hell bronze sr drugs did you get to smoke.
I mean people also think Toronto are going to be top tier as well, so I guess it makes sense.
@raw ermine He has to get sued, basically. Because he violated contract, which means lawyers get involved rather than pay him.
Even list the law firm.
raw ermine
this is hilarious lmao
pearl stratus
It's life. Contract violations only really have one solution.
Especially if he had any advances, signing bonuses etc.
Since if he violates contract he has to pay it back, etc, etc, etc, based on the contract verbiage.
balmy wolf
Dude get's the chance that so many people wants and throws it away
Smh that's the end of him unless some other team wants him and is willing to pay his shit
pearl stratus
There was a Chengdu rumor, but that's just a very low end rumor
raw ermine
pearl stratus
And since they have Jinmu + Leave they really don't need Krystal.
I'm still stuck on this whole LAG top 8 thing.
Because right now tanks should be overall the least of your concern.
Your major concerns are your support and DPS line.
And their DPS line is just woof.
Unless there's a massive shift in tanks again pre-league your tanks will be just trying to build some space with shields, and minimal overall impact in terms of how good x vs y is in the Orisa v Orisa.
balmy wolf
I do hope for another patch for January and sub sequentially OWL; I'd rather not have another stage of just mirrors
pearl stratus
I'd rank the weight of the positions right now at like.... 4:9:7 provided no major shift.
This current meta doesn't have just mirrors, thankfully. There's quite a bit of variation at high level play.
Especially if you leave NA/EU./
I'm trying to track Korean/Chinese metas a bit more because beyond Hanzo/Mei thats going to be where we potentially find others. Like a Pharah Dive, etc.
raw ermine
yeah
Remember what Jae from TD said?
there is dive, orisa-sigma, and orisa-rein
I feel like they will conform to 1 comp tho, probably the orisa-sigma-mei-hanzo-bap-zen comp
balmy wolf
Someone explain to me again how things are structured cause I'm pretty sure someone said that stages weren't going to be a thing
pearl stratus
There are no more stages, correct.
raw ermine
pearl stratus
It'll basically be like traditional sports, where some teams just get full bye weeks.
With games only being on two days instead of four teams can actually have full weeks off.
Also one other thing that people aren't taking into full account when they do power rankings are the divisions.
Which I advise people look more into
Pacific has some hard hitters, which is going to impact the mid teams on that grouping
Which include LAG
Atlantic has more of the ??? teams
red lotus
opinions on high schools doing esports teams? my state just started a high school league for overwatch and some other games. its very very gold/silver strats. our schools is one of the better ones we have won most our games in the league so far but lost one to bastion 🙂
tropic herald
Lost one map to shitters
red lotus
they played bastion on hanamora and we dogged on them but then they ran bastion on kingsrow and for some reason we couldnt get it but then they pirate shipped junkertown
but it sucks because thinking back on it we couldve ran sombra and sigma and won kings row really easy because we were able to hold them before second point.
or zarya hanzo but we didnt think about that because we were so determined that our mei reaper was gonna work and it didnt. and we had a big problem with using ults at the wrong time when usually we are good with ults. i think we just got nervous and couldnt play how we needed to
red lotus
they werent really even good we dogged on them when they did anything without bastion but bastion is cancer
trim shadow
I wouldn’t even
Grace gladiators name next to a top 10
There no better then there sister team valint
Theres Vancouver San fransicso————-> gladiators
Theres only 3 teams in that division
balmy wolf
If you're putting glads low because of their dps, birdring is the only liability on the team
Mirror was arguably of the best flex dps in NA contenders and Jaru is also a decent dps
Its unlikely they'll be truly top tier, but they are sure as hell not below mid tier. Above average is the best way to describe them.
trim shadow
I have gladiators hovering arouns 11-12
They basically have
A whole new roster
Space oge cloudy jaru Mirror birdring shaz goose paintbrush
This roster gives me those dallas vibes but what makes them better is there coaching is competent
trim shadow
- San fransicso
- Atlanta
- New york
4.vancouver
5.seoul - Shanghai
- Guangzhou
8.chengdu - Hangzhou
- Toronto
- Philly
- LAG
Everyone else is kinda irrelevant
Even paris yes
trim shadow
Ye
But i firmly believe Atlanta has the coaches and weapons
Theres also 2 more players being added
Most likely supports
hot heart
I believe in masaa and dogman
And if they get back ups
ATL is easily a top 3 team on paper
tropic herald
I’m just really in love with their dps line
balmy wolf
Who’s the best team
hot heart
Edison erster could be a top 5 dps line in a hitscan heavy meta
mossy shard
not gonna lie but the Toronto Defiant lookin pretty stacked
karmic grotto
We have not much information about OWL teams but I WANNA KNOW
39 days from now on is the first match
trail lodge
inner frigate
I live in New York so NYXL and pine are my favorite
trim shadow
Philly is only 11th cause everyone else below are so mediocre
raw ermine
I'm going to be honest. I am a toronto fan, die hard fan, but no way philly is worse than then
Toronto is pretty average
I could see them being playoff contenders, but not better than philly
raw ermine
yeah
trim shadow
If toronto is pretty average then philly is average
pearl stratus
Toronto picked up a bunch of flashy names that haven't accomplished anything.
With a tank that does okay in Contenders
And they act like its going to be amazing.
Also their support line is questionable as shit.
Kariv A+, Kellex
Also I think Atlanta may throw some early games.
Because iirc they still hadn't started practicing at all.
trim shadow
Toronto and philly have similar looking rosters very dps heavy but mostly unproven or known to be average
Minus alarm
short sparrow
Fury ain't unproven
trim shadow
Keyword mostly
I almost forgot fury was on philly
That rlly doesnt change much
But still mostly unproven
raw ermine
In this meta, they would play
Sado-Poko,Carpe-eqo(or ivy),Astro-alarm
Poko has played more sigma, and is better IMO
sand violet
How is Philly 11
Only weak part of the rost is MT with sado alone
Which could still change
trim shadow
Heres the thing
You have sado who’s controversial all over the place
Don’t know if hell be good or bad
Reins was shite
Then you have heesu carpe eqo chipsa
trim shadow
On paper it looks decent but heesu is a rookie carpe sometimes feeds and chipsa no one knows about
raw ermine
the support line could be deadly
astro-alarm or boombox
tbh if they play a moira comp boombox is probably better
trim shadow
Then you have a rookie in alarm Kept boom and signed a backup who plays a decent lucio but dont known how it will translate to owl
raw ermine
when I think good moira, he is the only one I think of
sand violet
Carpe "sometimes feeding" doesn't change the fact that in his meta he is super top tier. Eqo is proven. And I don't know enough about ivy but know he has experience
Alarm being a rookie means almost nothing
trim shadow
When ur playing in the Atlantic south against other better support lines twice a year including Rapel Boink(not good) but harsha can turn them into something
Masaa dogman gangnamjin and kris Then aimgod and Ark
Ofc ill say theyre iffy
The other teams have pieces that are proven that could bring up there unprovens
raw ermine
Kariv-Kellex is decent, could be top-tier
trim shadow
Plus if the meta is hitscan with hanzo mei Atlanta houston and florida are far better off then philly
sand violet
I would put alarm funny Astro above several of those
Not to mention that Philly then has fury, carpe, etc
raw ermine
Kellex has always been consistent, and when they went on there run in 2018, he was right there with boston
trim shadow
The only support line id put alarm astro over is houston
raw ermine
They lost striker, gamsu, and note, which caused boston to go downhill
sand violet
Philly has gotten only better (poko -> fury, boombox -> alarm) but somehow they're middle of the pack?
raw ermine
yeah
sand violet
If they got tizi or something I'd place then arguably top 3 or at worst top 5
raw ermine
I'd imagine at least top 8
Also I believe poko and fury, as well as alarm and Boom could share time
trim shadow
Theres also the coaching I dont think KDG will take the team by the reins Like he should because a player led team clearly hasnt worked
And thats the style i got from phillys s2 campaign
Hell phillys coaching line up is weird and a fire waiting to happen
KDG chris Mobydik Seita
Looks like a valiant coaching line
pearl stratus
Did Monte actually do anything in Season 2?
Other than dress like an emo that one time.
With the transition of players into desk/analyst it's a very good time for them to trim some useless fat.
worn falcon
The departure of Nate Nanzer from OWL led to irreconcilable creative and philosophical differences between myself and the league’s current leadership, and all parties will be better served by parting ways. (2/12)
interesting 
pearl stratus
It's more interesting because no one else seems to be hitting these walls, and the league is actually pushing for more 'interesting things' in terms of non-main stage.
Caster stream house, supporting plat chat, etc.
The caster house could be a really interesting side project.
jagged crater
Im gonna miss monte, he was a spicy personality that I enjoyed witnessing
that being said ZP is actually going to be part of the league now right?
I mean OG caster since beta, didnt even get a chance for first 2 seasons. Now is the finally the time right?
What in the world did ZP do for blizz to hate him so much?
pearl stratus
ZP is a caster groomer, you can pair him with anyone and he'll make them better.
I think he got stuck in contenders because he's too good at that, not because they're mad at him
IT happens a lot in business
You promote the fucking idiots who can't damage anything, but the people who are vital get overlooked because you can't lose them.
karmic grotto
juice leakss
jagged crater
i came for juice
raw ermine
So he doesn't like the new commissioner
whats his name...
the bald dude
Pete Vlastelica
oh he isn't bald
nvm
jagged crater
nanzer had that smokey voice, wouldnt forget that
jagged crater
https://twitter.com/ggDoA/status/1212105807703105538
DoA's contract also expired, exploring options for 2020
Twitter
trim shadow
So theres some twisted shit going on being the owl sheets
Itd be really unfortunate that owl falls apart since the original commissioner left who was all in for it
jagged crater
season 3 is going to be make or break prob
they're testing the waters of international travel, this will greatly increase the needs of production and teams
upper niche
Yeah, Monte not being back for 2020 has been whispered about for some time.
celest spear
He followed up with this: https://twitter.com/ggdoa/status/1212115497317068800?s=21
Twitter
pearl stratus
Reddit and people reading twitter and jumping to conclusions because they barely have a GED for comprehension?
Who knew!
vale pond
ez
pearl stratus
It's almost like people reading things one sidedly because they have the IQ of a used tissue in a virgins room.
Seen by: No one even questioning if Monte was even invited back.
But the jump to conclusions that everything must be twisted and weird.
jagged crater
yea i actually read the twitter and clearly doesnt say he's out yet. It was a clickbait title
mint flower
valiant is signing GiG according to Halo
rancid jolt
Hi i recently enabled g sync on my monitor which has free sync and is 144hz, how ever when i load up games in fullscreen which i have g sync set to on my monitor the games will flash constantly
this is happening in overwatch and witcher and minecraft all 3 i tested on
raw ermine
This isn't really a esports discussion. Try go to #general-discussion for that
hot heart
Wait
rancid jolt
yeah but everyone in e sports knows tech and stuff so i gues they would know a simple monitor fix
hot heart
DoA and monte are both gone
rancid jolt
im guessing
balmy wolf
Doa is in talks about contract since his expire
Monte probs just didnt like how OWL direction was going
tropic herald
Doa hasn’t left yet
celest spear
That's exactly what Monte said
pearl stratus
Jump to conclusion mat time again.
Y'all assuming they even offered him another contract.
balmy wolf
Never said that
pearl stratus
I actually expect Doa to not get resigned either. He's not a good OW caster.
Does great in the e-sports he's comfortable with though.
Transition to Season 3 is a great time to replace Monte/Doa/Semmler
Pull in a bunch of your contenders casters and end up much stronger overall.
Ffs reddit.
Reddit apparently thinks this tweet means Captain Planet works for free:
Twitter
Also that let me catch up on Montes tweets. And it seems (to me) Monte might have been fishing for a non-casting role.
karmic grotto
Makes space for new talent
raw ermine
Jake best caster
hot heart
True
sullen berry
@pearl stratus had to take off the outrage goggles for people to learn this means he deserves what he's already paid
pearl stratus
I mean he could probably be paid more for what he does, but its not like he's working on the broadcast team for free lol
balmy wolf
All the good stuff comes from him
toxic yacht
p
raw ermine
subbing in clownman for dogman
hot heart
Hold up
Dude
I dont think thats allowed
@river otter
Put it in #video-content @river otter
karmic grotto
What would you guys think if OWL didn't had one vast meta, but actually allowed to switch meta every two weeks?
If OWL teams are scrimming on current patch, let's say that meta last 2 weeks, then after that dive meta, double sniper, double shield, goats etc...?
This would make players play the heroes they're known for and put different hero classes on the spotlight
What I want is seeing Haksal Genji, SBB Tracer, Jjonak Zen, Gesture Winston, Fury Dva, Ark Mercy (is he still with Justice?) and other players
Maybe then, former pro's would comeback to play the game once again
And if this meta is also for Contenders, this will make the e-sports scene more vivid because there's so much dynamic going on between meta
Less players retiring
This will not save the financial status of T2, but it will make it bearable and it might open a chance for sponsors
short sparrow
How would "switching metas" work
karmic grotto
Playing the heroes of the previous metas
in a forced way
can not switch to other heroes except when trying to stall the point in defence, then switching back
Like, the teams are scrimming on the current meta, why? Because it's the strongest, except, this is not as competitive because some players are better with certain heroes than other players who excel in other heroes
so if you let them play multiple metas during a season, the teams would have been much closer to each other in terms of skill instead of having a one sided stomp match because team B isn't made to play that meta
Remember Justice stage 1-3? absolutely trash at goats, but good when meta changed, 6-1 stage 4
The top teams would have a harder time staying at the point if the meta wasn't goats for 3 stages
cunning vortex
Interesting theory.
karmic grotto
"Yeah I don't really get it either. Are we saying you can only play a set 6 heroes every couple of weeks? This idea is just terrible" < this is a comment from someone on the thread I made
Terrible idea he says
Sure, having goats for 3 stages is not terrible
Dive for months not terrible
Double shield for months not terrible
But oh no, switching meta every 2/4 weeks is dumb
hot heart
That is a great idea tho
I would love to see that in OWL
But thats never happening
hoary osprey
That ain't a bad idea
hidden vault
Except what if teams wanna play smth against the meta like chengdu?
short sparrow
They don't
Honestly, I think this is fine
I think we just need like
1 meta per 2 stages
Have a big Patch mid-year
karmic grotto
Good point, however, it's not that a meta only exists out of 6 heroes, if you have 2-3 heroes that are a bit off, that's good
But having 6 heroes only for months is unbearable
if Dive is
Genji/Tracer/Winston/Dva/Lucio/Zen, you can expand Dive to
Genji/Widow/Pharah/Tracer
Winston/Dva/Wrecking Ball
Ana/Lucio/Zen/Mercy
And basically, it's some sort of hero bans as well
Most that watch OWL, don't want to see Orisa/Sigma, it's boring and slow, not much action, not much mechanics as previous metas
trim shadow
The way overwatch is set up there isnt room for a new meta every 2 weeks
Since patches are every 2 months
karmic grotto
Could be 4 weeks
Issue is not the patches
But banning certain heroes from being played
trim shadow
The only way that would work is if blizzard gave bans and picks
karmic grotto
yes
trim shadow
But even then the creativity is limited with 31 heros
karmic grotto
And we, the players and viewers don't understand why this didn't happen yet
pearl stratus
I'd stop watching, full stop. I don't need the developers to treat me like I have down syndrome and force metas on me because it also removes all attempts at counter plays when there could be other options for mirrors.
It's bad enough 2/2/2 already limits creativity so hard.
trim shadow
But there was no creativity before
I mean goats dominated the game for almost a year
And if u were below diamond you barely could play the game anyway
The games a mess hero wise
pearl stratus
I don't give a shit about ladder. Ladder players are useless potatoes who Blizzard needs to not cater to.
If you're not in GM the game balance honestly doesn't matter for you.
You're trash, accept it and just play the game.
The problem is your balance system has to sit somewhere and I don't think they'll ever only balance for GM/Top 500 like they should.
karmic grotto
You will stop watching, but Blizzard won't care about people like you. They know players will enjoy OWL more and it will attract people that stopped watching because of metas that used to last for months
One stops watching, dozens will start watching
trim shadow
But weve seen leauge of legends balance for There Pro leauge franchises and look how hard that made getting into leauge
Its also a broken mess but a mess people love
peak oxide
Im looking for a team
short sparrow
Say that in #lf-players-na @peak oxide :)
balmy wolf
That would be impossible to develop good strategies with so limited pool and so frequent changes. Good teams don’t rely only on player’s skills. For spectators, it would be closer to ranked than to previous OWL.
There are plenty of soft ways to balance meta quicker than they used to do. They just need to want it.
karmic grotto
That would be impossible to develop good strategies with so limited pool and so frequent changes.
Well
Goats made evolution from 3-3 to 3-2-1 with Sombra
From Moira, to Zen, to Sombra
And they still had all the heroes they could use they used those 7 in a while. Even using Ana in some maps
Those heroes were the limiting factors until a forced change came from Blizzard
The suggestion I gave for Dive has more options than Goats could have, or double shield if you want to add that
It's not as if with the amount of travelling, they will come up with insane strategies
That, in my view, is impossible
peak oxide
im looking for a team
balmy wolf
They are already working on a complete set of strategies. They’ll just adapt with soft evolutions of the meta.
It’s not because goat was a problem(?) that your idea becomes genius. Imo it brings too much restrictions for poor added value. That’s just my opinion as you seem to ask for it. But if you’re convinced to get the key, just sell it to Blizzard and take the money.
pearl stratus
I personally want another S1 to S2 where we get to watch a ton of one tricks constantly being dropped retired because they're picked up just for a current meta.
analog lark
Is that sarcaam?
pearl stratus
Yes, which is all a set rotation meta would do.
peak oxide
im looking for a team
raw ermine
mint flower
Twitter
raw ermine
hahaha
sand violet
earnest leaf
pogu
worn falcon
TLDR: Puckett is not returning to OWL in 2020 in the same capacity, but is open to doing freelance hosting for the league like GB did last year.
trim shadow
Then custa might lead the desk now that i think of it 👀
pearl stratus
Better arguably. Pucket sat as a border of hype and knowledge without being too deep into either
sullen berry
I'd forgotten how Puckett's the least likely to continue with the OW League for the long haul.
raw ermine
are there any good OWL stats websites for last year? The OWL website doesn't have enough info
celest spear
Twitter
karmic grotto
Ok
And why?
I don't understand why they want to keep playing in OD if they don't plan to go pro
Unless, some want to gain experience
balmy wolf
Playing at high levels is fun regardless if you arent pro
karmic grotto
Feels like it's more a way of saying: "how far can we come?"
Same as that tournament a few weeks ago
It was fun
But what if the team actually make it Trials?
balmy wolf
its just an OD team
karmic grotto
In a path to pro scene
balmy wolf
you can also just leave if you do make it that far
tropic herald
Anyone else when they look at the Houston roster, just think it’s the bois
trim shadow
Pretty much
Houstons roster is settingling for a playoff run make playins and then get bounced in the first round
pearl stratus
It's also a good face for the people who can make it to contenders if they wanted to go back.
raw ermine
when did boston release RCK?
upper niche
What in the actual fuck that team? LOL. Emongg, jake, Custa on the same team? In Open division? ROFL.
That's a fucking OWL team lol.
trim shadow
Top tier contenders for me
pearl stratus
It can never be contenders, so it doesn't much matter where you'd rate it.
Seems like a group of people who just want some competitive play in downtime between jobs and stuff.
Not just ladder vomit.
sand violet
I think they're either going to meme or give up their trials/contenders slot if they get one like other teams have before
Some coaches are complaining about gate keeping and I think they're kinda cringe for it
sullen berry
@upper niche it could be washed up but also rising star team for OD, they get to trials I'll love it
Silkthread coming back baby
And the back line is nothing to laugh at
upper niche
I'd expect that team to just walk over most Trials teams, yeah 😄
pearl stratus
They basically have to give up their spot.
But for most trials/OD teams they'll actually be solid practice.
Not like Jake/Custa will keep playing, they have better jobs int he league lol
Also I look at that team and I see a team thats not going to scrim/practice much and are probably more in it for laughs and coordinated play.
So I could also see the team losing against the good OD teams.
sullen berry
They could simply disband, and before that run a core of cloneman/iremiix, silkentine, mLvast
pearl stratus
Also side note Violet been signed to Houston as a Streamer isn't all the juice.
So still more announcements from Houston upcoming.
sullen berry
It's happened with LGD and their contenders slot, why not go all the way until contenders begins?
Interesting that it's not the only announcement they've got lined up
I expect things to get really packed in the last few days before the first match in a few weeks time
pearl stratus
I think it'll go close to season launch.
Because realistically people could be signed now, and practicing.
But not announced.
While they wait for shit to clear up.
hot heart
Who could they been signing
sullen berry
I want another moment to go wtf whose this
Like when old shanghai started their original Korean transformation in season 1 with Daemin
And they really wanted him to be like their dark horse dps
hot heart
Season 1 was full of mistakes
sullen berry
Ended up proving to be a disappointment and a laugh because it was so unexpected to announce him the day he played
sullen berry
He would have been signed to Shanghai earlier I'm sure
trim shadow
Oh yea atlanta plays like 4 weeks after the first homestand so
sullen berry
I think they tried to hype him up as their Fleta card from nowhere
sullen berry
@trim shadow yeah atlanta will come together much later, no hurry to announce if they have shown they have 8 players signed
hot heart
What is your power ranking for this season of OWL? @sullen berry
hot heart
@trim shadowyou too
I just wanna know other peoples opinion on this weird ass off season and where some teams stand
sullen berry
Sure
pearl stratus
@sullen berry Wasn't Daemin like a legit last minute signing?
One of the only legit last minute ones.
sullen berry
He got signed because he was in LA at the time
pearl stratus
Yeah but he'd been practicing with another team like.. 2 days earlier.
He literally had a few hours of adjustment and they played him lmao
sullen berry
Very last minute but I assume the paperwork was completed in time to play with his new Korean cohorts
If it wasn't but he did get approved then that's a whole new story to look into
trim shadow
- San fransicso
- Atlanta
- New york
- Vancouver
5.shanghai
T-5 seoul
6.Guangzhou
7.chengdu - Hangzhou
- Toronto
- LAG
- Philly
- Houston
Dont rlly care for the others since theyll scrap amongst themselves
London boston paris florida washington LAV
They all have a case for being a bottom 5
I forgot seoulll
God dammit
sullen berry
@hot heart it's still early days, as you know... I think I'm not up to speed with the last two signings made because holiday season but it look about right:
1 SFS
2 NYE
3 VAN
4 HZS
5 PHI
6 ATL
7 SEO
8 TOR
9 GZC
10 FLA
Florida stonks
pearl stratus
There's also the schedule to look at.
For instance, Atlanta, since I was debating a friend about this
Starts with a REALLY potentially easy early season.
But their mid/late season gets brutal, and that'll be during potential meta shifts.
Which is not when you want to be playing top teams.
sullen berry
Make no mistake florida will be checked by their Southern division opponents
But for everything else?
pearl stratus
Since it looks like they play the majority of the dumpster division of Atlantic early on.
Then swap to Pacific.
sullen berry
Pacific matches on paper will crush the Atlantic division in a broad sense
I would love to see who makes it out in a scrap between mayhem and spitfire
Which you couldn't say when they had a veteran vs mixed roster back then
trim shadow
I have most of the China Korea high due to the synergy levels and the fact they dont have to travel far to each other
Hell most CN teams can bus
And then you look at dallas and fucking lav
Dallas travelling at least 6 hours to california
And a good 9 to vancouver
sullen berry
Guangzhou and their home advantage
trim shadow
And the only other closest team is atlanta by 8 hours at leasy
sullen berry
I know most have also opted to host quite frequently
Not to the same extent as dallas or philly iirc
trim shadow
And then dallas roster is mediocre at bezt
To me
And ye i think guangzhou will get alot of wins off the back of their fans
And the sheer amount of home games
Im keen on paris falling apart due to their division and the fact no one on that team has mixed experience outside soon
And then they have the worst schedule and hardest outside of dallas and lav
sullen berry
I have high hopes they can carry over their momentum from their late regular season performance
raw ermine
what are the chances Toronto does worse than last year?
sullen berry
Worse hmm
trim shadow
60%
Even tho rosters looks good
Fefe is still at the head
If it was harsha leading the team
Top 3
sullen berry
I look at most of the top teams and ask myself if the roster changes add enough value to maintain their existing spot
Toronto will go higher
sullen berry
I can't imagine it going to playoffs this early if their coaching changes or moves
hot heart
Why?
trim shadow
Theyll definitely get more then 8 wins
hot heart
Honestly
trim shadow
But for me what makes a upgrade is a play in birth
mint flower
@sullen berry how is Shanghai not in your top 10?
hot heart
I can see them being in between 11 and 5
sullen berry
It's still a carpe show, but at least they aren't leaving the playoff spot anytime soon
trim shadow
If toronto doesnt make@playins they didnt improve much over last year
With the moved they made
This is them trying to make a playoff push
So im gonna hold em high
sullen berry
@mint flower for all I know, they are definitely in the running. I'm personally not sure if their overconfident coming into this season
They wouldn't be out of top 11
hot heart
1.SFS
2.NYXL
3.ATL
4.VAN
trim shadow
I dont believe in philly at all
hot heart
Top 4 is guaranteed
trim shadow
Philly is like
hot heart
Under that
trim shadow
Everywhere
hot heart
Im not sure at all
trim shadow
Sado who’s controversial Fury who is a well known agressive and flashy player
sullen berry
Their games were quite close in stage 4
trim shadow
Carpe who is a feeder at times
Eqo well we know what he will do
Then you have a rookie back line
And you have chips which everyone still questions but if he got picked up theyre gonna use em somehow
So i think kdg will force a doom comp
hot heart
Even at their worst philly could make 12
trim shadow
Oh and ivy
sullen berry
EQO trying to grind himself back into shape, chipsa has potential as that specialist. Doesn't mean he's immediately bad by OWL conditions
trim shadow
Dude got cucked hes riding the bench and getting paid Comcast money for it
trim shadow
I definitely think chips will rotate with either eqo or Carpe
hot heart
ChipSa isnt as bad as people say he is
hot heart
Honestly with the amount of times he gets oonlooky in comp and he still hasnt broken
Its impossible for him to break
Like
trim shadow
I said the same when chips hits his strides he hits his strides
hot heart
He's the opposite of Effect
trim shadow
And imagine putting people around who wants the work with him
trim shadow
Chips potential is high as the ceiling but he could easily fall apart
hot heart
Yeah
I think this team is dependent on synergy now
They all have the potential
And have amazing stars
trim shadow
But then there division is about equally or better then them
trim shadow
Atlanta will definitely be the number 1 out of the division
So theyll dance with philly and florida most of the time
hot heart
Thats what makes me wanna put them a bit lower
trim shadow
Houston*
hot heart
Houston is an odd team
I never know where to place them
Like its literally fucking impossible with how inconsistent they are
trim shadow
And Philly has a fair travel intense schedule as well
hot heart
Hm
trim shadow
All these factors make believe 11-12 is the best position
trim shadow
Sideshow said it best
If ur gonna travel the players have to love eaxh other
Hence toronto houston sfs
Teams are complete bromance
hot heart
Theyll do well in travel
trim shadow
And i guess you can throw atlanta in there ad well
hot heart
Maybe even be better because of it
More time outside the game
To build relationships
trim shadow
Hangzhou chengdu could be bromance as well and theese teams will probably work well on the road
trim shadow
Before sparkle and rush
17th
After
16th
I actually just left them outside any rankings with lav london boston and florida
Cause the team is a big fat fucking unknown
No one rlly has mixed experienced outside Soon
Fresh coaching line
And mediocre players along with young potential superstars
And then they signed nosmite
trim shadow
I have not the clue..nosmite was shaky at best and he didnt look all that good
Then he got perma benched for guxue
Whos chineese and nosmite is korean
On a korean dominated team
It was the perfect scenario for him
So paris is this clusterfuck of unknowns
They could pop off
Or just shit the bed
There division is easy tho
hot heart
What division are they in again?
trim shadow
Minus uk toronto and new york
Theyll mostly be dancing with boston and london
And london and boston made even more weird moved
sullen berry
This will be the year the Chinese teams will rise up, but I could be fluffing
trim shadow
Londons moves scream Florida to me
trim shadow
Its like cloud 9 and misfit sat at a korean bbq bar
And started picking out random koreans they found
trim shadow
And i do think the china teams
Will be the dominant
Or at least the most competitive outside of the atlantic south
Everywhere else is vancouver or San fransicso wins the division
New york wins
Or Atlanta wins
trim shadow
Valiant is beyond fucked
Theyll be farmed to high hell
Im still holding strong valiant might not pick up s single bloody win
hot heart
I wouldn't be surprised if they ended the year close to shanghais Spectacular season 1 record
sullen berry
None of the teams cores have changed up dramatically since playoffs may be better off with fewer changes to their roster.
They had no game plans for the dominant teams at first but this time they can go agane and coach better (and worse, if we look at how Moon scuffed up the Valiant)
Packing 10 has some great opportunities for him
They're going to rely on shax and KSF for that preexisting synergy