dude is talented enough to get other gigs in case OWL doesnt work out
#esports-discussion
jagged crater
pearl stratus
If the game continues to grow, less need to leave, etc.
jagged crater
he's done CSGO before this
pearl stratus
The biggest thing he talk about is how his social media footprint determines his money, etc.
sullen berry
But if casters are still paid not that well, even off blizzard in 2020. It could be my reason to branch off overwatch!
pearl stratus
So he needs to be able to grow.
But he's definitely not like "Fuck this shit I'm out" which is how a lot of reddit read it as.
jagged crater
his social media isnt huge compared to others
which is just the way the cookie crumbles
the crumbles cookies
pearl stratus
He's primarily only had one game to grow it so far, for what he has in a single game format is actually quite large.
sullen berry
I think it's great to enjoy some peak uber before he really gets himself going
pearl stratus
You have to remember almost every other caster comes from somewhere else.
LoL, CSGO, etc.
jagged crater
remember that time CSGO casters tried OW for the firs ttime? It was rough
This game is crazy hard to cast
hard not to be a killfeed caster without knowing the game
pearl stratus
He's at a respectable size for a single game caster. I think he should just negotiate his contract so he can do some stuff on the side, too.
sullen berry
Even for papsmithy? I don't remember watching him when he casted with Uber
jagged crater
papasmithy got that moba knowledge, prob transitions easier
since OW feels more like a moba from a spectator & caster point of view
and papasmithy was alright, i dont mind seeing him cast again 🙂
what are the odds jake and zp get the OWL gig next season?
feel like with the traveling, OWL will need extra pair of casters
jaws/legday , zp/avast/jake seem like next good candidates
pearl stratus
Lemonkiwi too, since that gets a girl in the mix and she's actually quite good.
jagged crater
J@KE
i will miss the J LUL K E memes
dont know why it's funny
but something about twitch spamming it
just makes it funnier
hot heart
J
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jagged crater
i forgot stitch was still on titans
hot heart
Oh
Why would they keep him
I mean
I guess he's ok from what i remember
Mostly remember him playing sombra
raw ermine
Its a stitch sms haksal dps line
jagged crater
stitch is one of the runaway OGs, i cant forget him
jagged crater
stitch barely played so fair enough assessment
hot heart
Remember when hooreg did super well
jagged crater
a while ago
hot heart
Good times
jagged crater
apex s4
if tracer was meta, we might've seen some more stitch
stitch tracer is $_$
hot heart
I dont remember much of apex
I started following esports really closely around the beginning of 2018
I kind of used to follow it in 2017
But i didnt know shit back then about meta and stuff
@jagged crater what do you think of ado?
Currently
And the inaugural season
jagged crater
iunno didnt pay much attention to ado
i think as a player, he went thru the longest losing streak in OWL
im impressed he still has the mental strength to play OW
give him props for that
and still super hard working from what im reading
hot heart
I remember when he was looking like the haksal of the league when he was playing genji
jagged crater
his genji was pretty slick
hot heart
Kind of like carpe
When he pops off
And your the enemy team
You kind of know your fucked
jagged crater
kind of unfortunate he's been on two OWL teams with really poor records
hot heart
Yeah
jagged crater
when justice actually started winning, he wasnt even playing
so it makes him look even worse
jagged crater
i have to applaud his mental strength tho
can you imagine if it was effect instead
jagged crater
i do miss effect
hot heart
Yeah
jagged crater
when he pops off, such a treat to watch
hot heart
He made dallas fun to watch
When he wasnt popping off on stage
I stopped watching the stream
Even if it was a huge win
He used to make games fun
Interesting
Now dallas are looking weird
Like
You have stellar dps
hasty estuary
jagged crater
not the right place
hot heart
#lf-players-na @hasty estuary
Post that there
Anyways
Their supports are just meh
The tank line could be solid
The dps are just amaIng2
*amazing
I mean
Decay doha
Thats just players with raw skill that could destroy any team on a good day
And do fine on a bad day
jagged crater
what else does doha play besides sombra i dont even remember
didnt watch much contenders
jagged crater
i was gonna do the same thin g:()
jagged crater
so flex dps-ish / projectile hero pool
hot heart
Why cant i send a screenshot pepehands
jagged crater
so where does that leave taimou , zach and akm?
hot heart
Booted
jagged crater
feel like they're in a rough spot without hitscan being meta
balmy wolf
in OWL, why did blizzard have to enforce 2 2 2? they could've just said "yo goats is banned if u play it ur being fine"
hot heart
Why in the fuck woild they keep them
jagged crater
$
hot heart
@balmy wolf who
jagged crater
contracts
hot heart
Wants to watch goats
balmy wolf
did u read my msg
jagged crater
taimou akm and mickie still on the fuel
hot heart
Oh ye i forgot @jagged crater
balmy wolf
I said blizzard could've just said goats is banned
balmy wolf
Quad and Trip dps was fun to watch
hot heart
Im blind
sand violet
I want to watch goats
jagged crater
that is a FAIR assessment
sand violet
And perspective of someone who had no problem tracking fights and why people were winning them
jagged crater
are you also korean
balmy wolf
it doesnt show a dps players skill tho does it
sand violet
Learning it but not Korean
jagged crater
hello mr korean
sand violet
Hello
balmy wolf
안녕하세요
sand violet
Annyeonghaseyo
I don't have a Korean keyboard on my phone because it fucks with autocorrect lol
balmy wolf
oh lol
jagged crater
just gonna call u mr korean
jagged crater
so miss korean
jagged crater
just one letter?
jagged crater
interesting
sorry dont know korean but korea is cool
wouldnt mind taking a trip there some day
sand violet
Korean writing is stacked characters in groups of 1 syllable
So it looks like 1 letter cause it's 1 syllable
sand violet
Your Korean name would translate back to bee in English
beol
Probably since beemoo isn't a real word
sand violet
Your name would maybe be something closer to this
벌음매
Which translates to literally bee moo
But I don't know all of the principles and rules for Korean or slang with translation so that could be wrong
jagged crater
we'll need a native korean here to help
sand violet
As far as I know (which is to say this could be wrong)
치토 would be the translation
Which means chito
But could be taken as Cheeto
In English
If you say it in Korean it sounds exactly like Cheeto
So that would be my guess
jagged crater
are cheetos a popular snack in korea?
sand violet
Not sure
cold pier
imagine actually using emotes l0l stfu @hot heart
balmy wolf
@sand violet its 치토 so u were very close
@hot heart ^^
oh wait ncm
nvm
my computer just loaded a symbol wrong
u were spot on
trim shadow
celest spear
New ptr patch dropped. Expect notes soon
limber pine
PTR usually isn’t just bug fixes
raw ermine
They just did a big patch so I doubt there will be any balances
maybe a new feature at most
raw ermine
I just went on the PTR and it didn't show
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
raw ermine
yeah
tropic herald
raw ermine
jagged crater
can we get a comparison pic
celest spear
No, his discord is open to everyone
balmy wolf
have u guys seen the mei glitch
blissful heron
Yes
karmic grotto
About Mei Glitch
I might not even be a glitch
Remember when ow devs changed physics for Sigma?
Like, the physics of slowing down things
Everyone was like: a new hero might come
And indeed
It was meant for Sigma
Now, this Mei glitch that came out of nowhere
And put timthetatman Rein on a tilted mode
Might indicate on a new hero coming soon in PTR patch
changing the physics is a way for ow devs to change things for upcoming updates
just my thoughts, it's not proven
hidden vault
What is the glitch?
hot heart
MonkaS
balmy wolf
it’s actually hilarious
pearl stratus
The Mei one actually impacts gameplay, but it is hilarious as hell when it happens.
I had to play an entire match as horizontal hanzo
karmic grotto
Something interesting to those physics
Echo
She flies
But if you look at Reinhardt
No way Rein can fly in the air for an extended amount of period
Then descend
Might look to those abilities of Echo since she can fly
hidden vault
so when you die you don't reset your position?
celest spear
If you die or get stunned, you're character model is set back to normal
celest spear
Eh, it's probably just a bug that slipped through
Mei is probably gonna get disabled in comp and qp
slender lance
It’s probably like the ball glitch that was on console awhile back
When ball used his ult the sound would kick people from games
minor flame
Bianca to nyxl wow im shocked
balmy wolf
@slender lance that wasnt hte bug
the bug was when he used his ult in combination with alot of other ults
slender lance
But it was the sound of multiple exploding at once
People would use the mines in Winston bubbles and 3 people would dc
It was at the same time Moria’s ult made the odd noise
balmy wolf
custa retired
pastel spoke
karmic grotto
Valiant pepega
mint flower
Yeah they're pretty fucked
celest spear
trim shadow
Ive never seen a team get cucked as hard as valiant
They are officially a t2 team trying to play owl
raw ermine
Only ksf is left
pearl stratus
That's an overall win for OWL though
Custa joining the Analyst desk
Jake casting
Which is good because no one on the analyst desk has half a brain anymore
blissful heron
Jake was talented. They lost one of their best, but they didn't lose out too much
Blasé should fill that role well, maybe better.
mint flower
Lmao
raw ermine
Hydration is also a great pick up and he should be good with blase
pearl stratus
Hydration is tanking, by all accounts (including the GM)
Or at the very least is sharing time tanking, like on LAG
minor flame
Poor Hydration
While everyone was freed from dva and brig jail
Hes managed to jail himself by skill
mint flower
oh yeah flame revealed that he's gonna be an OT right?
pearl stratus
He likes tanking though, so why poor Hydration?
minor flame
Wait flame is playing as tank?
pearl stratus
He literally trialed for a few teams in S1 as an OT.
mint flower
@minor flame no flame stated that hydration will be tanking in 2020
trim shadow
But why would he OT if meko joined the team
Unless harsha moves him to MT to take over muma
mint flower
Hammonds MT
trim shadow
Endo said he was going to OT Unless hydration will be the ball specialist
pearl stratus
It also could be for places where Meko has holes.
Like if Rein/Orisa becomes a thing.
Hydration was, and probably still is, one of the best Orisas in the league.
So Muma + Hydration could be stronger than muma + meko
I expect him to be played like LAG played him.
trim shadow
Im really curious as to what Harsha would do
In terms of where hell put people
He’ll
balmy wolf
Whats the big deal with crispas
Why everyone being a baby about it if hes a good doomfist
Doomfist by nature will always be meta unless they take his shields away
trim shadow
Everyones just upset that chipsa is a meme and he skipped the ptp
Doomfist gets creeped by hitscan tho
celest spear
People were confused about ChipSa because he skipped through the entire "Path to Pro" thing (last time he played professionally was in mid-2017). He won't really play anyways, so it's a waste of money and roster spot from Fusion.
trim shadow
But on stream he plays mostly doom so hes a one trick
Unless he was hard grinding other dps
balmy wolf
Theres a lot of heros that get creeped by hitacan
Widow headshot kills how many of the dps and almost all the healers.
But dooms 1 shot and shields. I mean even then hitscan still has trouble creeping him
Expect doomfist was only meta because 2x shields
trim shadow
Widow will never be meta again rho
celest spear
Only other DPS that Chipsa plays instead of Doomfist is Genji
trim shadow
At the current state of dos
balmy wolf
Before that is mei/reaper
balmy wolf
Id agree with that
trim shadow
If u go widow youll get countered by mei or doom at least on a owl level
trim shadow
But i expect teams to still run double shield
But a mobile shield so not stationary
Itll be like goats days
balmy wolf
Id argue a lot of hog might be played.
Mei counters halt hook
Ok
Sigma has the better ult as well
Ok
trim shadow
Sigma has the best ult amongst tanks probably in the game
trim shadow
Even if his shields gets nerfed he still has accreation and the SUCK
balmy wolf
Litterally nothing stops sigmas balls.
Youre always gonna get hit by them
At least bap/Zen is the support duo this time
Miss me some Zen
If you think so
Trans counter blizzard, Dragonstrike, and flux
Okay
trim shadow
I think the duo will rotate between lucio baptiste or moira baptiste
Immo field is basically trans without the heal
balmy wolf
Trans actually builds faster than beat
And discord and shield break is mor important
Okay but why waste trans when you can just use an E
The lamp is always breakable
And you can bait it out
You need redundancy to counter some ults
Not against a good bap you cant
Doesn't mean lamp will always be the life saver for every fight
A good bap knows when to e
Its litterally the definition of a live saver lol
Thats why you force it out and then ult
But a gokd bap wont need it
Were talking about pro play
Not laddee
They wont get baited out by it
Theyll throw their q down way before to get those heals out.
i think it will be zen bap
Discord is more powerful than tou think
Is it tho
Its the delete button for tanks
Because i know the exact %
How is it more % than i think?
Focus fire is near perfect in pro play
It’s 25% now i believe
Before goats nerf it was 30
Its still powerful
You know if they do double shield thatll just break discord lol
Shield break
balmy wolf
Its all about breaking shields
pearl stratus
Especially lower SR where people won't be able to upkeep double shield anyway with their current health.
Your best support picks will be:
Bap Zen.
If you want to lose you'll play:
Not Bap Zen
balmy wolf
half of low sr games have a one trick hog regardless
since people want to play tank like dps without the queue time
pearl stratus
Bap has better shield break than a chunk of the dps in the game.
balmy wolf
have you seen the video of bap out damaging soldier
pearl stratus
A chihuahua with a sugar high outdamages soldier.
balmy wolf
ya hate to see it
trim shadow
Hog is in...a state..hes at the times busted but at times a feed pick
balmy wolf
Maybe in ladder hes busted
pearl stratus
His biggest issue is Orisa isn't going anywhere
trim shadow
And probably never will until a nuke is dropped on orisa
celest spear
Not unless fortify is nerfed. As it stands, it gives a 50% damage reduction. Lower it down to like, 30 or 25 and then we're good.
pearl stratus
the armor change alone affected her eHP, paired with fortify
balmy wolf
900 ehp I believe
trim shadow
Apperantly with ana and new fortify orisa can have up to 80% DR with a nano boost on her
pearl stratus
She's also the easiest thing in the world for Bap to hit, since she's a giant horse.
trim shadow
But bap has honestly a high skill ceiling
thats why if hes the meta in February it will be interesting to see the different play styles around him
balmy wolf
Yeah can u imagine
They should just make soldier a healer at this point change his heal
Mixx the pool ya know
I think yall are calling it way too early especially since we have about two months left for more patches to adjust and fix things. That being said, my guess is double sniper or the very least hanzo + Spam
trim shadow
Actually a month
Were in December
which by now teams are assembled
So theyre already practicing on the new patch
Or boot camping
pearl stratus
Hanzo Mei is popular for logical reasons though
Hanzo destroys shields, just flat out.
Mei now has the best (bugged) shield in the game when you really break it down.
Because it's not a universal health pool.
If the entire wall was one unit with 1200 health it'd arguably be quite a bit worse.
So she gap fills for shield breaks now, quite efficiently.
balmy wolf
Tho I do have to say, its map dependent
pearl stratus
Well yeah, we're back to the point you can do a more traditional kings row again etc.
Though I still think Winston isn't fairing that well compared to an equally played Hammond.
trim shadow
balmy wolf
So now Jake is a caster, I wonder who is gonna be his partner
trim shadow
Some say lemon
pearl stratus
Still calling Lemonkiwi since a.) they've worked together, b.) ticks a shut up the morons box.
trim shadow
But that would mean 14 ppl on blizzard payroll
The thing is lemon and jake work well together
pearl stratus
Still cheaper than running all their own exhibition stuff.
trim shadow
But the matches wont be hype
Lemon is reserved most of the time
Well they both are
Still good casters
balmy wolf
There is only 3 casters who naturally bring hype to the game
uber, wolf and achillios
hot heart
Wolf
pearl stratus
Lemon was actually decently hype for the OWWC, and I think part of that was her partnership with Jake.
Because he covered all the thinking stuff.
So she could just be loud and stuff.
A lot of issues in casting is the duo partner.
Like Uber is allowed to be Uber because his partner covers the non-hype stuff.
balmy wolf
Well jake is the color caster, which means he dissects plays-plays when stuff isnt happening
the main caster is the one who talks about the play happening in real time
Which is what uber does
pearl stratus
I like Jake because he also just reads the future.
hot heart
I feel like custa will say some pepega stuff but itll be funny
hot heart
Ye
hot heart
I mean
balmy wolf
sideshow is great
pearl stratus
I don't like him enough to keep him on the desk. Find another niche for him.
The desk needs to be more like an NBA/NFL desk, you can get both.
You need Shaq, not Shit.
pearl stratus
I ended up muting the desk most of Season 2.
hot heart
Like when games get to 7 maps
I loose interest at map 5
And his shenanigans with the whole widow 1v1s was amazing
Sideshow is a big brain mad lad who's funny
pearl stratus
I think he'd be fine if they kept him to his niche. I'd just replace him with someone overall more useful to the desk full time.
Or let him host.
I think he'd be a good host, overall.
balmy wolf
I wish soe was on floor host like in S1
pearl stratus
Well I'm guessing they'll be regional hosts.
Or at least I'd assume so.
Like letting Emily host for China, etc.
balmy wolf
But the majority of teams are NA based so it works out
pearl stratus
Just need a few extra Dannys.
balmy wolf
I want another golden boy
trim shadow
Semm needs a hype caster next to him tbh
Hes casting how he would cast in csgo
Analytical and quiet
trim shadow
Theres a difference between whatever unholy noise uber made during Atlanta San fransicso
Andnjust simply raising your voice
And to comment on the desk it mostly became banter
Honestly our desk needs to take notes from leauge of legends desk and pre game
balmy wolf
hexagram is the color caster, semmler is main caster
trim shadow
Honestly hex’s voice is ugly
hot heart
celest spear
Also, notes from Toronto's GM: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/e9tctm/notes_from_toronto_defiant_gm_interview_on/
One thing to note is that thye're looking at Logix and Surefour to be their DPS lineup
little silo
he said they can run it because Surefour is flexible
celest spear
Also from Jae: "-There are a lot of comps being running in Korean Scrims. He thinks Toronto is one of the only(if not the only) team running Genji Dive. Most other teams have taken to a Pharah Dive with some Sombra."
It also turns out that Shock is experimenting stuff
little silo
Jaru was the flex dps for Team Envy
trim shadow
Oh so hes lags third dps who will share stage time
Id imagine mirror will be fulltime starter
And jaru will rotate with bird
celest spear
Twitter
celest spear
It's for an OD tourney that starts in a few days
raw ermine
Just that tourney?
raw ermine
lol
celest spear
Twitter
raw ermine
BO3 connect 4
sand violet
If they play valentine they will win
Valentine is infinitely better than kephrii
Well win more than if they played kephrii I mean
hidden vault
What's those 2 teams?
mint flower
I think it's 2 teams of streamers who are basically going to roll OD for the memes
balmy wolf
is jake gonna be a commentator?
balmy wolf
ahh thanks the word caster was confusing me
celest spear
Jaru is like, 25
mint flower
o wow
trim shadow
Old boi
jagged crater
jaru been in t2 too long, good to se him finally make it
even tho he might be benched
balmy wolf
no team needs 5 dps
trim shadow
laughs in philly
bright cypress
burnt dust
does anyone know if any Contenders teams have open Staff positions ?
mint flower
mint flower
trim shadow
Wonder if ameng has learned the other tanks
raw ermine
He is the best ball in owl, and a good rein and orisa. So just winston we don't know about
hot heart
Holy shit
I just remembered philly just have sado as there main tank
Is he good at anything
Like literally anything
Shotcalling
Other tanks
celest spear
EQO shotcalls
hot heart
Just being a good presence
celest spear
Sado is only passable at Winston
hot heart
Oh no no no
celest spear
That's it
hot heart
Idk how he's in owl tbh
celest spear
4Shrug
hot heart
Was there ever a time when he was good?
celest spear
I don't know. I think he came up from ladder.
hot heart
Thats just bad
Teams shouldn't pick up players with no experience in the pro scene
Other than a few exceptions
Like jjonak
Dudes a god
celest spear
Yep, he did. Fusion is the first and only team he's been on.
hot heart
Other than philly
celest spear
Nope. He's only been on Philly. He has no past team experience
No wonder Fusion kept him, he must've been pretty cheap to pick up and keep around
hot heart
Bumper could be someone they could pick up
I assume they have the money
Considering comcast owns them i think
Just drop sado
He's kind of just dead weight for the team
Great dps and support line up
And then a a great offtank
Then we have sado
Why
Idk
When they inevitably drop him tho
Ill be happy
For now
This off season is a loss for philly
Not a big loss
But a loss nonetheless
celest spear
Kaiser or Bumper
mint flower
Tizi?
celest spear
Or Kaiser MT and Bumper OT, just like old Runaway 5Head
celest spear
Ating will probably be in for Winston maps
Jiqiren is probably gone based on that photo
mint flower
I thought Garry and lateyoung would've been dropped
pearl stratus
Jiqiren is listed in the photo.
He's one of the ones written in kanji or whatever its called.
Lateyoung is probably worth keeping around (provided you're not desperate for the spot) just because of the presence he brings.
Dude works hard, is crazy intense and a really good figure for the team.
Like a useful Mickie.
Are you going to start him over Elsa? Nah, but he's a reliable back up.
celest spear
*Mandarin/Han.
Kanji is Japanese
pearl stratus
Yeah I only knew what it was called in Japanese so I winged it.
I didn't know if the written text had a different name than the vocal one.
hidden vault
Garry or Kyo?
There are some covered names tho
Also if Ating starts for winston what does jiqiren start for??
mint flower
Rein?
mint flower
Ik but then jiqiren is worthless
raw ermine
Yeah
mint flower
Ating covers Winston and ameng covers the other MTs
So jiqiren is kinda just...there
hidden vault
That's a possible meta
pearl stratus
Ameng will probably rotate to just a general tank capable of playing MT or OT, since he'll have Ball, Orisa which cover both. I could see both Ating and Jiqiren getting time at that point depending on maps etc.
limber pine
Rein Winston ftw
jagged crater
is 3 main tanks a thing in any other team?
then again it's chengdu , they do what they wish
and it kinda works out
trim shadow
Washington has 3 mts
jagged crater
no only 2
pearl stratus
I think its hard to quantify tanks as MT and OT depending on pool now.
Look at the current state of Orisa.
Is she a MT still, or an OT?
Same with Hammond.
There's a couple of tanks that just blur lines right now.
trim shadow
Hell only tanks that have a role is probably dva and zarya
jagged crater
main tank hog
jagged crater
fahzix come back
trim shadow
hot heart
2.5 million dollars
Is it just me or is contenders gettin more support
Cuz honestly
Its a shitshow
limber pine
it should get more support
pearl stratus
huge chunk of it is still due to useless fans
Who complain abotu it needing more support, then never watching.
If you're not opening your eyes you should be shutting your mouth.
Because viewer numbers are the most important part of the ecosystem.
karmic grotto
No uhm
how you call that
sponsors
Blizzard limiting options
No wonder prize pool is like that
pearl stratus
If you know enough to bitch about it you know enough to find a schedule.
Like anything in a visual medium if you don't have viewers your shit gets cancelled.
And sometimes even when you do have viewers, your shit gets cancelled if the return on investment is better somewhere else.
jagged crater
maybe let streamers stream it
because there's so little it's actually competing with
sand violet
She's still a MT
if you run orisa rein you just have 2 MTs
One of them doesn't magically change their kit and completely restyle their playstyle (even if there's a small change)
Same way when you had ball monkey, you were running 2 MTs
jagged crater
style of play can change with comp changes
sand violet
It would just be an OT player flexing to MT if they play orisa
jagged crater
and a few tweaks
sand violet
Or flexing to rein since I think MT playing orisa makes more sense for flexibility
pearl stratus
her play style actually better suits OT/DPS players which is why there's such a weird surge of people in the spot, including Sigma.
Same with Zarya in that sense.
sand violet
You kinda fuck yourself if you have your ot play orisa
Because if you need to switch, you literally can't
Unless your MT also plays an OT to strong owl level
Since almost all comps will have an orisa
pearl stratus
Or you're running two MT.
Hydration and Geguri come to mind.
Or Ameng, realistically. Since he'd be sitting in the 'OT' role with Orisa, Ball, and a serviceable D'va.
sand violet
The strongest 2 MT comp is orisa rein rn
pearl stratus
For ladder, yeah. Since ladder is special ed.
sand violet
The only other viable one is monkey ball but it's rare to be able to play that on the same map as orisa rein
I'm speaking pro perspective
pearl stratus
I don't expect that to go anywhere else, honestly.
Oh you count those pro pugs?
I didn't, since there's was maybe 3-4 high quality caliber.
Then no.
pearl stratus
Yeah and I'm saying I don't think it'll carry over.
Just from coaching perspectives.
Like right now you have LAG attempting Genji dives, for instance.
Whereas Korean coaches are going for a more Pharah oriented dive.
And I think the Korean dive will just be stronger than the Orisa Rein, unless you're going to sacrifice your Mei for Widow.
Which then ruins the comp.
You can attempt a hanzo + mccree, it does okay against the Pharah dive.
But dropping the rein does more.
pearl stratus
They were ignored even with the residency requirement.
Redundant stupid arguments are pointless.
All that happened was the point of having a contenders team was lost.
Because you had to fill it with trash if you were region locked.
Which is an expensive garbage pail.
For me as an org I'd be more likely to waste money on an academy team in a system without a region lock than I would in one without.
trim shadow
Koreans are gonna flood NA RIP
jagged crater
is it worth moving to NA for t2?
or playing @ 200 ping
some players did that, most notably nenne when he was in contenders
hot heart
I dont think the view counts for contenders will ever get better
Most people are like "why watch contenders when you can watch the better league"
Honestly
There is nothing blizz can do for views
Its just a matter of engagement
And advertising
And when contenders do get peak viewers its for finals
And it still wont beat the numbers for some league matches
jagged crater
it'll never beat OWL number sofc
but is there something blizz can do to help
increase viewer retention
advertising in-game?
in-game viewer?
with lootbox rewards
perhaps add some little bets inside like that OWL thing
Which player did the most damage in Map 1 etc etc
add some interaction, incentivize players to watch contenders
So many little things
sand violet
moving to NA is good for many reasons
one of the biggest is easier competition
maybe not among top teams like ATL
but there are a lot more slots that move from OD to trials to contenders in NA than say EU
(or atleast there were, idk with the new system)
which means not only is it easier to get in through OD or trials, but theres also worse teams that get in
which means its easier to get on one of those teams or beat them
breakable barriers has a roughly 2.5k prizepool
sand violet
its essentially like OD but much much shorter, probably a weekly tournament
no
there are not
sand violet
its mostly a fun tournament but for money
jagged crater
thank you mr korean
sand violet
and contenders teams are free to compete as long as they are not OWL or 2 way
jagged crater
or miss korean
sand violet
so t2 and t3 teams will compete in them as well for the money
jagged crater
i dont judge
spring lintel
wait, are they gonna add flexing to OWL?
there is a new flexing role on ptr right?
could this be why they added it?
balmy wolf
thats a group thing
spring lintel
oh ok cool
celest spear
Twitter
celest spear
That's for the OD tourney tomorrow
raw ermine
Yeah
spring lintel
roster actually not bad if they are on their roles
raw ermine
Jake 1 tricks junk plz?
jagged crater
Custa kinda off role, wonder if he doing offtank?
raw ermine
Probably. Cloneman is a Mt player
shatters
mint flower
Theyre just doing it for the memes so doesn't rlly matter if custas off role
jagged crater
Still want them to get pretty far
They got a decent chance considering they're all decent players
hidden vault
So that's why frana dropped from revival?
balmy wolf
Not even
hidden vault
Not even?
velvet scarab
rooting for dafran 
short sparrow
xD
karmic grotto
@velvet scarab you now must tell me where you got that dafrantracer from
short sparrow
Who is Knellery?
spring lintel
When is breakable barrier tournament gonna start?
cloud latch
did dafran's team play?
karmic grotto
Yes
cloud latch
N O SPOIL
karmic grotto
You can watch ML7 or Kragies VOD
first round
Dafran himself did not play
ye
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cloud latch
ooo vendetta is next
idle beacon
is there already news about a new tank meta?
cloud latch
rip dafran
idle beacon
what @karmic grotto
idle beacon
@raw ermine what matches are you guys talkin about? 😮
raw ermine
in general
idle beacon
and whats with the 'rip dafran' part? what happened to daniel?
pearl stratus
Mouth cancer from smoking, 4 months to live.
raw ermine
wait what?
seriously?
I see his twitter,and him saying things about quitting smoking but where does it say mouth cancer?
cloud latch
I don't think he has mouth cancer
raw ermine
ok
cloud latch
he's just gonna take a break from streaming for 3 days to a week
balmy wolf
haha baited
idle beacon
or what part??
raw ermine
rlly?
karmic grotto
Yes
Team xD if they win from the match they will have
They will play against YaB
pearl stratus
Eu Tourney is kind of disappointing.
Lots of teams still trying to place Lucio.
And its a soft throw for them.
jagged crater
dont even knwo what the teams are
hidden vault
so if no lucio what whould it be?
hidden vault
would be one good influence he has to his audience
idle beacon
what tournament? i still can't follow about whats going on 😄
celest spear
It's an OD tourney going on
mint flower
@idle beacon there's a tournament being streamed on the contenders channel
On twitch
celest spear
The contenders channel and various streamers broadcasting it
idle beacon
ah ok thanks, guys
balmy wolf
@[na-8] sliver lol
@everyone lol
@frail fiber ur trash kid
@solemn ridge ur trash kidd
@shadow ingot ur trash kidddd
@plush drum ur trash kid
mint flower
Ok...
plush drum
@balmy wolf shut up toxic piece of crap
raw ermine
Apparently silver players aren't good...?
balmy wolf
@plush drum FU
plush drum
you wish
hot heart
Wait why in this chat specifically
short sparrow
@balmy wolf Why don't you just get the hell out?
jagged crater
where is the bracket
raw ermine
reef tinsel
Is there a schedule for contenders?
jagged crater
avast's team is literally waiting 4 hours for their next match
raw ermine
meme dream team AKA jay3's team is playing
jagged crater
cloneman's team 😠
blazing dome
where is this broadcasting?
jagged crater
which teams are looking strongest?
mint flower
lmao
hidden vault
Is contenders a lan tourney?
jagged crater
only the finals
pearl stratus
xQc didn't even play
He slept through his game since he's a responsible adult.
He may have made it for their next game