Theres like an esports club but it's not competitive
#esports-discussion
hot heart
Esports club that isnt competitive???
WAIIITTT 
@balmy wolf
That dont make no sense
balmy wolf
yeah
in my school
there's only tekken but that ain't my thing
seriously those dudes only play mobile legends
that overrated poop
hot heart
trim shadow
I wouldnt wanna sign with dallas or houston just because in the spring to summer it will be dummy hot
So id rather sign with more temperate teams
And avoid los angeles
pearl stratus
At least its more dry than humid heat.
I wouldn't want to sign east coast (atlanta) because I dont enjoy tongue punching the devils asshole in that swamp ass and balls hell that is the east coast in summer.
limber pine
^
tropic herald
Signing up to live in Guangzhou would be fun....
Except for the smog
Where is Florida trying to base themselves
Miami??
limber pine
yeah i think so
hidden vault
totally should call themselves miami mayhem instead
I thought owl only allowed cities
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl stratus
I really sometimes dislike Legday, but he's been growing on me.
Especially since he actually covered some of the Shanghai Invitational stuff.
Poor Hangzhou/Guangzhou though.
They got manhandled.
pearl stratus
They really didn't make much in the way of changes though, even with no practice I'd expect some cohesion.
Shanghai had up to 65% new roster at any given time, and no one could really take advantage of it.
limber pine
is there a vod?
pearl stratus
Yeah its on Hangzhou's Twitch page - all in Chinese however.
But it went a little unexpected.
Shanghai and Chengdu SLAUGHTERED their first rounds respectively.
Then Shanghai went 4-0 against Chengdu, close matches on some of them though.
My takeaway is:
- Leave is broken and will shock a LOT of teams. Widow was clean, Tracer was clean, etc, etc.
- Shanghai is going to be very interesting. Void upped his play since I last saw, Stand1 held his own (some small mistakes, but nothing crazy).
- We all were asking "Who is Lip", Lip stole the show entirely. Barely saw Fleta because Lip was going bananas.
- Dding can now play Mei well, a stage late.
- Diem is still Diem.
All in all Shanghai seemed to have covered a lot of their holes from last season, DPS roster is actually stronger. I still miss Youngjin, but the new DPS really cover everything.
Also Geguri played Orisa for a bit
raw ermine
If this is all true, Shanghai could be title contenders. Imagine going 0 and 40 one year, winning a stage the next and then winning the league the next. Might be difficult though.
sand violet
Shock tho
raw ermine
Probably stand1 and void
pearl stratus
Stand1 and Void did 99% of the tanking from the event.
DPS was primarily Lip and Dding for the event. Though Fleta and Diem did have their maps.
Supports were LJG and Izayaki.
trim shadow
@hidden vault that is the sad truth of most sports leauge
Where if a team that u would@like is offering u less versus the team u dont wanna goto is offering u higher
I think that’s what has happened with whoru
Maybe dallas was his only owl offer until he did tryouts and new york liked him
Or neptuno since i cant imagine neptuno wanted to play for guangzhou but it was probably the best offer
hidden vault
Yup
jagged crater
i miss some showmatches??
jagged crater
are these the very first matches under 2020 rosters?
limber pine
i want to say yes
red anvil
no, nyxl vs. dynasty was
echo quest
Didn’t watch the match but I heard leave is still god tier
pearl stratus
Leave was disgusting, Lip was disgusting. Expected Leave, did not expect Lip.
jagged crater
jay janu
tropic herald
Ok Florida Mayhem is Florida instead of Miami bc they want to pull support from all of Florida and not just Miami (Orlando specifically)
I don’t remember who I was talking to so sorry if this seems random
little silo
A bunny and a shield... maybe not just one player
celest spear
The bunny is apparently referencing Dva, so they might be signing an off tank.
It's probably Smex
raw ermine
Smex was leaked?
I half remember
although a bunny to symbolize dva to symbolize smex is kinda far off, but if it had been leaked already, then it might happen
unless we get a bumper-nosmite MT line
mint flower
and then theres benbench
celest spear
Smex was seen in Korea with Kruise at a KBBQ place
celest spear
Various teams are in Korea for boot camps
raw ermine
how is Korea different than anywhere else?
balmy wolf
Best region
raw ermine
Ik korea is an esport capital, but why fly your team there when you could scrim in NA?
Or are they not scrimming
balmy wolf
Most the of the OWL teams go there
celest spear
Korea also has really good internet
balmy wolf
Majority of players are KR, they want to go home
celest spear
Toronto isn't in Korea iirc, all their players are just kinda chilling
tropic herald
Korea has the most competitive ladder as well
So being in Korea
Means you can play that ladder without a VPN or terrible ping
pearl stratus
@raw ermine You scrim in Korea so you're not scrimming against garbage.,
NA? Garbage. EU? Garbage.
little silo
they can also scrim korean contenders teams and actually interact with potential new players
pearl stratus
Also the good internationally is relatively unknown.
Because they only played some Gauntlet games. That's not a full season.
I imagine if the teams had all played each other before results could have been different (on both sides)
balmy wolf
tru tru
the gap isnt that big in comparison to other regions, expect maybe AU and south america
pearl stratus
Well it's also like...
Fusion Uni - had they stayed in NA there's little doubt they would have made the Gauntlet.
They went to Korea and played in Korean Contenders.
And decidedly did -not- make it.
So you have to look at the NA teams and decide if you think the same would have been of them.
raw ermine
So NA is so bad the literally fly to Korea just to play korea teams?
balmy wolf
its not the best competition
sand violet
Who else is NA gonna scrim when the best teams are in KR
the only other teams for them to scrim are low tier NA OWL teams if they arent going to KR or contenders teams
why not just boot camp in korea with all the korean teams and get better
pearl stratus
The division is getting smaller, but it still becomes a numbers game.
If you only have 1-2 teams you can valuably scrim against you hit walls sooner versus maybe having 4-5 in Korea.
Also it's kind of practice travel too, when you think about it.
So they're even scrimming the travel.
trim shadow
Didnt someone mention that boston talked about scrimming on a plane? So two birds with one stone
The thing with NA is that most of teams are low level orgs or teams put together by teams blizzard should be trying to market themselves to teams like tsm and Tempo storm
Most of the korean teams are orgs with cash like gc busan wgs gen.g of course and griffin even tho griffin is in hot shit
pearl stratus
He said it was with a switch, so its most likely a huge joke.
trim shadow
I wonder if teams will get private planes 
Id imagine philly and maybe dallas would do that
Especially dallas considering theyll have to play in korea china and the East coast of the us
trim shadow
raw ermine
be a bottom 3 team again?
upper niche
trading Chipsa? 😄
raw ermine
its either a release, trade, or a coach signing
cause they have 12 unless snillo doesn't count
trim shadow
If they dont adress a back up for sado we can go ahead and give the off season L to philly
tropic herald
Supposedly more philly juice at 10pm EST
trim shadow
tropic herald
It’s not even about Fusion
trim shadow
NA and EU are dead now that t1 is on the scene
hidden vault
Who is T1 lol?
tropic herald
Tyler 1 lol
sand violet
T1 is a really big LOL org (from what I know) and owned by Philly
tropic herald
Not actually
hidden vault
How can they have sister teams in the same contenders?
sand violet
I'm not sure that it's technically against the rules
It may be allowed, or they may be running it under different management
hot heart
Hmm
sand violet
So that both teams are allowed
sand violet
There have been sister teams in t2 at the same time or near the same time but it was extremely rare and during older times, some t2 staff recently had a discussion on this before t1
Did they announce that? That's way more lame if true
balmy wolf
t1 is under comcast gaming division
t1 is a more recognize name than funi, considering their league history
hidden vault
That was during Apex time
balmy wolf
?
hidden vault
I meant sister teams in t2
Overwatch apex
I guess orgs wants their team to reflect their org name for branding
balmy wolf
i suspect their dodging new rules for academy teams
balmy wolf
if their are new rules
hidden vault
Hmm?
balmy wolf
something something the academy team has to be in the same region as their parent org
hidden vault
Nope they still can
But will lose their academy benefits
Which is the same as having other contenders team under your org
balmy wolf
academy benefits are pretty big
hidden vault
Well either you let your contenders team compete in korea and lose your academy benefits or compete in your region and keep your academy benefits
Either ways i suppose there are going to be lesser academy teams actually naming themselves after their owl teams
balmy wolf
what are academy benefits
trim shadow
@hidden vault T1 formely known as SKT telecom..that name alone should tell@who they are..there the most popular gaming org in korean above gen.g and KT rolster
T1 is known for paying there players highly also
Id imagine T1 will scout some good koreans and nuture them heavily
Runaway T1 and EM are now farm teams for owl
hidden vault
More like T1 players will go to philly
trim shadow
Honestly i can see Philly or Vancouver always going to t1 for koreans they find at the local bbq
sand violet
I can't remember all acad benefits, but one of them is the parent team being able to match any offers that their acad player gets
So if a funi player got offered 200k, fusion were allowed to match that offer and most likely get them instead
tropic herald
Isn’t T1 replacing FUNI though
hidden vault
However placing your academy team in another region doesnt allow you to lose that
red anvil
Actually T1 is not allowed to be Phillys Acadamy team, so they lose the right to match clause. @sand violet
hidden vault
why not?
sand violet
Yeah they still have acad
Even if fusion didn't move to Korea, funi still had acad rights cause they were grandfathered in, so as long as t1 was just a rebrand of funi they would still have rights afaik
pearl stratus
If FUNI hadn't moved to Korea previously then the person is correct that they could not be the Academy team.
But because they were previously moved, with a full base of operations FUNI is considered a korean team, and T1 is a Korean company as well. We'll see if they counter the grandfather, but I doubt it.
hidden vault
So any other team who moved to korea needs to wait a season to be recognised
trim shadow
Korean 9
short sparrow
They probably got worried about the backlash about Sparkle and stuff
empty prairie
everybody is switching teams oh my god
short sparrow
I mean, Profit is still i- oh wait...
Or Meko wi- ah nevermind
But Decay would nev-
.-.
red anvil
@hidden vault Because academy teams are required to be in same region as there OWL team next season
@pearl stratus @sand violet Halo is wrong here
i talked to him earlier today
pearl stratus
They'll probably just run it as a non-academy then
Since playing in the US or the EU would be for morons.
Not like money is an issue.
trim shadow
Also why would T1 would wanna play anywhere that isnt korea or SEA
red anvil
they'll run it as a non acadamy, the official name is affiliated. But they dont get the acadamy team benefits
pearl stratus
Doesn't really matter for them.
They have 'Fuck your mother, she's a stupid whore' money.
So if they really want any of the players, they'll just outbid.
That ruleset really just matters for the poor teams.
sand violet
I'm 99% sure blizzard established they would be grandfathered in unless they changed it
balmy wolf
@red anvil you talking about FU -> T1?
T1 will still get the Academy benefits as FU joined KR contenders last season
red anvil
nop
balmy wolf
Yea...
red anvil
nop
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus T1 have lost money I think too
sand violet
They were grandfathered in before and I remember a specific part of the rule that said teams would be grandfathered in if they were already there (which at the time applied to only funi)
mint flower
karmic grotto
pearl stratus
Anything Korean to replace Dogman. Support Erster.
trim shadow
Imagine undine and unique
sudden marten
when do the next open division sign ups open?
hidden vault
The Overwatch League organization must have meaningful local infrastructure in place.
The Overwatch League organization will not receive academy team benefits, including but not limited to exercising the right to match player contract offers. Teams that previously held academy team status and transfer to a new region may have grandfathered academy team rights for a limited window of time.
Just a limited widow of time
Funi still needs to be in NA if they want the benefits
Unless comcast wants double academy
somber bay
what are the benefits
balmy wolf
I think one of them is not being regulated even if the team does bad.
Tho Im not sure.
As a player you can easily promoted to the main OWL roster. For orgs matching offers is huge.
sand violet
One of them is matching offers by other teams on their acad players
That's the most public one
pearl stratus
Again though, the matching thing is only really important for teams on the more poor time.
If your org has money you just outbid, instead of match,
burnt dust
I‘m looking for a paid manager position. If you know any team or org in need of a manager hit me up and I’ll provide more details. I have a lot of previous experience and expertise in managing both teams and orgs.
sand violet
Don't think any team will pay for a manager below contenders academy unless you're just gonna scam a team that doesn't know what's good for them lol
upper niche
Just gonna leave this here: https://clips.twitch.tv/ResoluteCrazyPizzaSwiftRage 😄
mint flower
Sideshow doesn't learn does he....?
trim shadow
Jesus sideshow looks like a goblin
hidden vault
What's the deal?
mint flower
@hidden vault If valiant finishes in last next season custa has to get the OW logo on his head and if valiant finishes 10th then sideshow has to get the valiant logo on his head.
supple prism
He mocks Bren for taking silly challenges against OWL players but Sideshow takes the dumbest bets that just end up with him getting his eyebrows shaved off
hidden vault
I couldn't hear them clearly from the clip
But I don't think valiant will finish in either places
supple prism
they could have set a range
upper niche
Nah, it's a safe bet for both of them.
Valiant Top 10? Pretty unlikely. Valiant last? Also pretty unlikely.
hidden vault
Who would be last this season?
sullen berry
highly suspect
as if soon agilities had carry potential to break into top 8, right?
that valiant would never be in the running for play-ins this season?
I would be optimistic coming into season 3
if you factor in travel fatigue and how much of an impact this will have on this cheaper roster
upper niche
Boston, Florida maybe?
sullen berry
way too hard to say
we can all agree on a common top 6
but with a roster like gladiators still, hard to say
hot heart
Whats your top 5 teams for next season? @sullen berry
sullen berry
no particular order? based on what info is out right now on teams
reign
vancouver
nyxl
shock
shanghai
tie between seoul, fusion or spark (pending pickups)
little silo
Reign are looking very promising that's true
Wonder who they will pick up for their support line
idk if they'll get another main support but a new flex support seems likely
sullen berry
once again, I'm not remotely interested in the ones at the top
the real feisty competition is who will make it to play-ins next season for a chance to take it out
middle 8:
hot heart
Hawk Edison and SharP are good olayers
I havent seen much of hawk
But ive heard good stuff
little silo
Edison rounds out the dps lineup really well
Erster Edison can basically play everything at a high level
blissful heron
You really think boston can make a run for it? I'm all for you but the power rankings aren't really with us boston fans. We do have 2 solid off tanks and a powerful dps line. Just wish we got vizility
Absolutely counting out valiant and London wow
I think London is going to be last.
little silo
London doesn't look bad enough to be last imo
limber pine
They have an opportunity to be last with a subpar roster and an insane amount of travel
but ultimately I don't think they'll be last either
raw ermine
I think valiant might be worse
limber pine
Valiant could definitely be last
they play in the harder division
Boston, London, and Valiant would be my guesses
blissful heron
A lot of teams have improved substantially. I feel like Boston has a roster that showcases talent without the baggage
blissful heron
Toronto has improved significantly, but boston, I predict will have the better season. Call me biased, but myunbong/swimmer may be a top tier support duo. Especially myunbong. Jerry has that seominsoo carry potential. Munchkin brings the oh so needed veteran presence.
That's true. But the coaches were managed. Additionally, a fair bit went wrong.
blissful heron
In stage 4, we had our doom specialist on offtank. Also, we had possibly one of the best flex supports on the bench, and a dude who speedran the path to pro, much like Toronto's im37. Persia never won a match, im37 won one. Both of the players are skilled, but their entry into the league was very much due to the depletion of the talent pool, thanks in part to the 8 expansion teams.
Albless seems to be a great coach. Mobydik was good, but wrong place wrong time.
celest spear
Boston's issue seemed to be coaching last year. They never seemed to find their footing after Stage 1. (Considering that Stage 1 was their only positive stage at 4-3).
As for Toronto, what screwed them over the most was not only hastily finding an unproven replacement for Stellar in im37, but also trying to transform their all Korean roster into a predominantly English speaking roster mid-season.
trim shadow
Valiant also has one of the hardest traveling schedules as well
Having to fly to china and then theres flights to the east coast and what not
blissful heron
Washington is mad lucky
Mineral seems to be a great pick for the job. He definitely did not see much success in Florida, but management gave him money for a 6 man roster, with no subs. Because of this, teams now have to have at least 8. Among other things, Florida had problems, but coaching was not one of them.
limber pine
yeah i think most people blame the org and not Mineral for Florida's issues
trim shadow
I think Washington only has to travel within the east coast
trim shadow
And maybe 1 or 2 games in Dallas?
celest spear
r2der just made everything worse
trim shadow
So Washingtons schedule is a cake walk but there roster is vastly unproven
And for me i would say it was between misfits and The coaches of florida
Honestly the EU roster and Korean roster were capable
Maybe wont make playoffs but they couldve went positive
celest spear
Corey, Stratus, ArK, Aimgod and Ellivote are good. Washington's main tank situation is what puzzles people
trim shadow
I would say the dps are the good part of washington
Ellivote and lulsish looked off during owwc but who knows what will@happen in 2020
limber pine
most teams look good on paper
blissful heron
Save for la and london.
limber pine
Washington should be closer to the middle of the pack
blissful heron
Most teams have upgraded, they have not.
blissful heron
Florida looks excellent on paper, but the org may fuck it up again. They have a reputation of doing as much :(
That's true, but the improvements are significant. The flex support role is now covered by quite possibly the best man for the job.
Nothing like what Toronto did, but still significanf.
limber pine
true, but they still have questions at main tank
they seem set on letting Fusions ride it out
which actually may benefit them if Rein is meta after this patch
blissful heron
Fusions is the rebuilding piece. But if double shield can stay meta, axxiom could be playing the sigma.
limber pine
Boston better hope it stays in place then
pearl stratus
The more important part for Boston was getting rid of all their trash attitude supports.
More so than anything else on the team their round robin rotation of supports hurt them in the long run. You don't build cohesion between front and back with new people/combos every week.
Especially not in Goats.
And part of that is because they had some people with shit fuck attitudes. They got rid of some, but not all and kept making some try and work.
Don't care how good you are, if your attitude impairs your ability to work as a team you slit the persons throat and throw them to the dogs.
trim shadow
Remember last year when people had valiant 4th-6th in there pre season rankings
And they proceeded to go to a 0-7 start
And barely turned it around
limber pine
i mean, they finished 2nd and only really lost Soon
hindsight is 20-20, but they should have played better
pearl stratus
Coaching went wonky, realistically.
pearl stratus
Rather than coach my players to be better at Goats I will bench Custa so we all play at a lower level.
celest spear
Kuki Lucio PepeLaugh
slender lance
They started off their season right
They were 7
They went 0-7
Maybe that was their plan the whole time
limber pine
literally the only reach Chengdu made playoffs was because LAV started so poorly.
althought tbf
their stage 1 schedule was pretty rough
raw ermine
they went to game 5 against NYXL?
hmm
and spark
they weren't in there goats prime tho
blissful heron
I like valiant actually. Custa is chill, and I liked their s1 squad
pearl stratus
I mean overall the roster isn't as bad as people make it out to be. My biggest concern is Dreamer, to be honest.
Their DPS, while not the most star studded thing, is full of very consistent people.
As long as the roster can get on the same page, they should be okay.
limber pine
Dreamer is a support turned tank
interestingly enough
I don't get to watch AUS contenders too much so IDK anything about him
pearl stratus
Yeah thats why he's the concern point.
Shax and KSF we've seen do very well, against some very top DPS.
I don't really love either Lastro or Slur, but Slur was never bad on Samsung Morningstars.
limber pine
Lastro I think is underrated
on an otherwise bad Skyfoxes team
particularly his Ana
pearl stratus
Yeah, and he's been on mixed teams for so long now it won't be any weird integration issues.
I'm actually guessing we'll end up with Custa + Lastro.
limber pine
that'd be my guess too
pearl stratus
I don't think they'll be making any underdog runs or anything like that.
But I think if they mesh well they don't need to be bottom.
I wish we had more things like the Shanghai Invitational though, sneak peaks on these rosters would be nice.
blissful heron
Heh
I think Vancouver's synergy was destroyed with the release of bumper. Fissure has more raw talent, but I think that was a downgrade overall.
Vancouver won't be a basement dweller definitely, but I don't think they'll replicate the success of last season
raw ermine
they need a backup MT I think
blissful heron
Tizi or bumper could have done that just fine
jagged crater
is anyone picking bumper or what
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think we've heard a specific team
but we know Bumper has gotten calls
worn falcon
wait T1 is Contenders/Academy team?
balmy wolf
Fusion Academy
Fusion Uni*
Sideshow said bumper landed on another team already
Well yea he deserves it
@blissful heron fissure also known for toxicity
swift moth
he ruined gladiators season 1 playoff run by not playing
balmy wolf
He got benched
swift moth
really? I thought he chose not to compete
balmy wolf
And he didnt ruin anything - they won their first series vs spitfire 3-0 without him
Spitfire just remembered what playing the game meant
swift moth
that wasn't playoffs I believe
balmy wolf
It was
swift moth
really
swift moth
ah
balmy wolf
After spitfires 3-0 loss to glads
They lost 2 maps in total, and drew 1
limber pine
Spitfire just remembered what playing the game meant
pretty much sums up their entire S1 playoffs
blissful heron
Heh
I like bumper
He works hard. Something tells me that Fissure is just incredibly talented, and didn't work anywhere near as hard as some of the other players
rare pagoda
Fissure wasn’t benched in playoffs, he benched himself by refusing to play
And he dropped out of Seoul halfway through their season, so having him as your only main tank while dropping two tanks with years of synergy and lots of talent is extremely risky given Fissure’s track record
raw ermine
so they have 5 dps again
balmy wolf
Pine is moving to support, right?
celest spear
We don't know if he is
raw ermine
I'm pretty sure I heard something like that
flex support backup for jjonak I think
lmao
Imagine pine becomes a better zen them jjonak
celest spear
He used to play flex support back on LW Blue
Well, he'd flex between DPS and flex support
worn falcon
https://twitter.com/NYXL/status/1202354882226925569 here is the tweet.
pearl stratus
It's going to be 2020, people still getting hyped for Whoru are the same people who were hyped for Fl0w3r and will be equally disappointed.
balmy wolf
no way pine becomes support
short sparrow
I wasn't disappointed by Flow3r
He did fine
Shame he didn't get a spot somewhere else
limber pine
He still could
trim shadow
Season doesn’t start till January so
Last minute moves can still happen
Theres a reasonable amount of FA’s still on the board
But most teams are nearing the 13 player cap
balmy wolf
It starts in feb.
balmy wolf
12 player cap not 13
balmy wolf
its not
trim shadow
And everything wrongly gives there predictions just to get fucked in the next 3 months
And hopefully more show matches but probably not
celest spear
Season starts on Saturday, February 8th. The first game is Paris vs Toronto in New York at 1 PM EST
balmy wolf
flower barely played to be fair
and there was that really bad sombra game that made him look horrible to everyone
he’s probably still at least a mediocre dps for OWL
sand violet
A lot of ppl tried out for envy and they seemed pretty open with welcoming t3 players into tryouts so I'm not surprised kephrii got in
celest spear
Avast also gave his Power rankings
trim shadow
Kephrii how did u blow that up
raw ermine
well, look at chipsa and pine lol
celest spear
Let's be honest, both of them are gonna be benched anyways
raw ermine
yeah
they were still picked up nonetheless
I guess OWL can afford to have some bench players like those 2
celest spear
I mean, Andbox owns NYXL and Comcast owns Fusion
raw ermine
💰
trim shadow
Whynot
celest spear
Ah yes, the new NYXL coach Whynot
balmy wolf
let the memes commence
hot heart
@trim shadow
I just dont understand it
You have libero
Why would you ever pick up WhoRU
trim shadow
Libero is kinda there only projectile
And at times ill be honest libero decision making gives me a headache
trim shadow
Im still hopping mad when he had the blizzard to get 1st point on havana and he instead went to fucking dream land and the team@lost the fight
celest spear
WhoRU is probably just the backup Projectile
trim shadow
Thats what pre season says
hot heart
Yeah
celest spear
Remember, NYXL has 3 hitscans and 2 projectiles as of now
trim shadow
And then suddenly whoru gets cracked like a ex marine fresh out of service and just starts fucking tearing face through owl
celest spear
Also, WhoRU does have a nasty Doomfist
hot heart
If that happens
Then yeah good decision
But its a risk
Like a really big risk assuming other teams were willing to pay a good amount of money for him
trim shadow
Ppl are saying rein orisa is popular so doomfist yea
Doom hitscan maybe
So hanzo doom
Weird combo but alright
balmy wolf
More like mei hanzo
balmy wolf
Doom aint gonna do shit against either tank line
trim shadow
Yu never know
trim shadow
Chengdu played 4 dps against goats and only bent when it was necessary
they lost when they did
celest spear
Rein + Orisa was played sometimes in Peak's EU pro pugs but did kind of bad against Dive or standard deathball.
hot heart
Who in there right mind would play doom next patch against rein orisa
Rein is immovable
And orisa has a shorter cooldown for fortify now
pearl stratus
WhoRu has so many personal issues and mediocre plays Funi didn't even -consider- bringing him back when they moved to Korea.
They loaned him out like a whore.
mint flower
It was attitude issues/toxicity right?
pearl stratus
It usually is with him.
mint flower
Among other things
pearl stratus
You'd think getting benched for Apex and getting replaced by Tobi on DPS would teach you to not be a little shit
celest spear
That was back in OGN APEX season 3 in like, 2017
and that was Gido that replaced him
We haven't really heard much about WhoRU's attitude since then
Besides, Saebyoble has a record with reforming players with attitude issue. He did it with Jjonak and Pine, and he'll probably do it with WhoRU
pearl stratus
Yes we have.
He was loaned from Funi to Meta Athena for the same shit
And then he was pretty much hot garbage on Meta Athena
pearl stratus
Also with no offense to SBB if the kid wasn't willing to listen to Jehong, literally his 'big brother' he's just as likely to hit a wall.
balmy wolf
I mean with NY there would so many good projectile dps this year its not even funny
trim shadow
Apperantly whoru is flex dps
So it could be whoru libero
Or sbb whoru
New york has ultimate flexibility now and kinda has every dps hero covered
Im kinda understanding whatever the fuck philly is cooking
raw ermine
really depends on the meta
who is better on what?
whoru is a better genji right? that doesn't matter much tho
trim shadow
Think if its hitscan and try to delete shields itll be libero start time and sbb and whoru sharing times
Whoru is the best genji on the team
Yes* and probably a better pharah then libero
raw ermine
libero will be the doom but that won't be top tier like it was last patch
tropic herald
Libero will be in Mei jail
earnest leaf
bright cypress
damn
upper niche
That's bullshit. They should be obligated to as part of participating in OWL.
Path to Pro is a complete clusterfuck lately.
balmy wolf
going pro in overwatch now sounds like the most terrible thing
Well it works as in the majority of players who get picked up came from contenders
Just the conditions of staying in it are pretty bad
tropic herald
And T2 just doesn’t get enough support
balmy wolf
Contenders next year is doing a weekly tournament thing which should be nice to see
tropic herald
Well yeah that’s nice
balmy wolf
But pay is non existent since there is no incentive for it
sand violet
Na contenders gonna die out or get significantly worse as time goes on since worse and worse t3 players are gonna slip through the cracks as better players have to retire or go to collegiate since no financial support in t2
I'm guessing mostly collegiate will boom
As lower OWL or better contenders talent start to go there instead of academy if they can't get signed
Since fewer academy teams means fewer academy options and t2 isn't sustainable without being on an academy team
But collegiate can offer similar incentives while unsigned t2 or t3 cannot
upper niche
Pretty much mone of the OWL teams are making money as it is, most are bleeding money. The promised returns from the franchise buy-ins have not yet come close to eventuating
trim shadow
Which is kinda why i said the leauge has at least 2-3 more seasons and this season is already kinda looking like its in the shitters
And ofc road show could break its back if it isnt done rigjt
hidden vault
@tropic herald not true there is at least 10
trim shadow
Let alone blizzard then selves are in hot shit
trim shadow
No Smartass Blizzard is in hot shit with the community
balmy wolf
With how they balance?
trim shadow
And ofc there making a sequel to a game that is already going down faster then French attempt to counter attack germany
balmy wolf
you arent stating why blizz is in hot shit with the community
trim shadow
U already answered ur question..and then theres other sectors of blizzard where the community is screaming what the fuck
balmy wolf
eh
Over the years of playing games, every community is always unhappy with how the game is
balmy wolf
boi you should've seen the TF2 community when they changed how quickplay works
hidden vault
How?
hidden vault
As in what the community did?
balmy wolf
role queue shouldve happened when overwatch wasn’t a dead game so queue times weren’t an issue and then goats also wouldn’t have ever happened so the players that left because of that would also still be playing, shit would be way different if devs actually fixed shit
the fact that they let goats go on for like a year is insane
i don’t know what the dev team is on
upper niche
role queue would not be a problem if OW were 4-man teams instead of 6-man and balanced around that - 1 tank, 2 dps, 1 support.
uneven wren
thing is off tanks would be useless in 1 tank comps
frigid ocean
supple prism
Supposedly someone else picked him up already or something
short sparrow
Glads picked up LhCloudy
karmic grotto
Backup tank
sullen berry
twitter link for the admins
https://twitter.com/lagladiators/status/1202435886870196225?s=21
worn cedar
<3 ty
wide dock
toronto defiant is basically team canada
slender lance
Toronto has 3 Canadian dps and none of the tanks or support line
They’ll probably do better than team Canada
But they’re no team Canada
balmy wolf
They’ll surely do better than team Canada. And better than last season. Go Toronto!
hot heart
pearl stratus
Team Canada got rocked so hard they couldn't even upload the vods to porn sites because it was too explicit of content.
Not being team canada is a good thing.
Team Canada made Season 1 Shanghai Dragons look good.
north tendon
cant wait for some flashy blades from whoru on nyxl
raw ermine
Yeah we did awful in owwc. It was depressing
Nevix and halo are better than note and xqc
Kellex and kariv are better than bani and crimzo
earnest violet
why tf is LAG kinda stacked?
minor flame
I dont think they are that stacked lol
limber pine
Space/OGE/Shaz/BigGoose/Birdring/MirroR
i wouldn't call that stacked
Shaz/BigGoose is the same as last year. Space/OGE is probably a push from Void/Roar. Birdring/MirroR is a downgrade from Surefour/Decay.
They're solidly a mid-tier team until we can see them play
earnest violet
"probably a push", they got fucking Space and OGE...
naive stump
Well you have to think that MirroR still has a long time to prove himself and with Toronto can’t just judge how their players are good but also their coaching staff because if you saw team Canada at owwc they put their dps players on tank
limber pine
OGE didn't play well the second half of the season. Any upgrade you have with Space over Void is nullified by now having OGE over Roar.
hence "probably a push"
naive stump
OGE in my opinion is a better main tank then rOar
raw ermine
It is a bit better but dps is a downgrade definitely
trim shadow
Apperantly mirror is cracked so
Ha puns but no seriously before he signed he was top 5 on the dps ladder
With other owl names
So he has to be cracked
slender lance
Yeah but popping off on ladder is different from owl
I think im37 is a good example
Even tho it was goats at the time
blissful heron
Persia and im37 are both victims of the depletion of the talent pool caused by the expansion teams. Midseason pickups were standout-ish t2 players or ladder players at best.
raw ermine
Maybe chipsa now lol
slender lance
I could see it happening
echo quest
I wonder where the OW scene might've been if Blizz didn't try and stomp it into the ground, but rather helped organic growth... Would T2 be better?
minor flame
Thats like saying i wonder if people with cancer would be more healthy if they didnt have cancer
trim shadow
^
And if blizzard didn’t completely kicked the door down i think ow esports wouldve dried anyway seeing as how mediocre at being devs blizzard is
blissful heron
@raw ermine there's plenty of doomfist options out there. Vizility, ksp, leaf, dalton as of right now, etc. These are the people that have a large hero pool on top of stellar doomfist play, and the people Jayne would rather see in the league, and in my opinion deserve the spot more than chipsa.
sand violet
Oge is ABSOLUTELY a better mt than roar
blissful heron
Facts
rare pagoda
He has inconsistent performances
short sparrow
KSP Doomfist? O o
rare pagoda
He’s shown to be absolutely nuts at times, potential top 5 or even top 3, and at other times he’s been significantly worse
Especially with all the travel, we’ll have to see if that inconsistency gets worse with travel or better with Glads coaching
trim shadow
But like chipsa said he got a offer and he took it and chipsa’s doom is world class i would argue better then vizility and leaf
rare pagoda
His doom is
The issue is he can’t play anything else
And they don’t have a backup main support or MT
So theyre gonna have to sacrifice one for the other, assuming they drop Snillo
sand violet
Chipsa's Doom is not world class
He plays on ladder and still doesn't look great
There are plenty of t2 and potentially even t3 talent that is better than chipsa atleast for just doomfist
But they won't draw nearly the amount of views or jersey sales as chipsa will
rare pagoda
He actually is a talented doom player
On stream isn’t that trustworthy because he’s focusing on entertainment and reading chat
He must’ve trialed for fusion at the very least and shown up
sand violet
I can guarantee you all
With my life on the line
That chipsa's Doom isn't better than other owl or t2 talent
Everyone in the scene knows this
He doesn't have to "show up" in trials when his main draw is his popularity
trim shadow
I. Firmyl believe u havent seen chipsa doom mechanics Sure he gets unlucky and sometimes feed but all pros feed at one point
sand violet
I will be extremely surprised if he ever plays outside of meme games
?????
Unlucky
Ok
pearl stratus
If you're making decisions off of ladder view you're basically a blind person calling a baseball game.
He might have shown up in trials, might not have.
But it doesn't change he has less lan experience than Freefeel.
sand violet
Ugh this is why I hate this discord you all are so naive
trim shadow
He mustve shown up in trials that chris wanted to give them the job despite what his brother said
pearl stratus
He's a safe signing for a team that doesn't need to play him.
trim shadow
So chipsa did “something” ape shit couldve been his doom@mechanics
trim shadow
Or him playing multiple heros
pearl stratus
People are all over dicks that died two years ago.
It's fucking weird.
Necrophilia ain't cute.
WhoRu is the second coming of doomfist jesus, but wait, there's Chipsa from the wings! Flower will blow the league out! Remember two years ago?
sand violet
@trim shadow why do you think he suddenly got owl level mechanics or flexibility when he has never showcased that ever
trim shadow
Obviously he did something batshit in trials to get him on a owl team
Despite philly having carpe heesu and eqo
pearl stratus
There's nothing wrong with orgs signing streamers for a fan base, just try not to read too much past that. The longest play time a streamer has actively gotten was Dafran, so... 4 months?
trim shadow
Dafran wouldve start a whole season but Fucking brad knew he wasnt gonna last a stage and its just a bad signing
sand violet
Why are you ignoring the fact that he's a streamer with a big following and that that 99% carried him into the team rofl
pearl stratus
They basically got two contracts for the price of one.
Maybe half the team dies and they get to play him.
If not, they got a streamer on the same ticket.
trim shadow
Because i dont give a shit about that im37 had a relatively high following but made toronto fucking flunked cause bishop couldnt coach for shit but he had the mechanics just not the game sense
Jjonak didnt play pro a day in his life now look at him
sand violet
What the fuck are you talking about
trim shadow
Streaming is a third thought its can a player grow
pearl stratus
Jjonak had a few months worth of team time and scrimming.
trim shadow
Chipsa has pro experience but its irrelevant since it was Apex days
And he wasnt even starting
sand violet
Literally years ago and minor experience. That's irrelevant
pearl stratus
He never made it to Apex.
He didn't make it out of Euro cup.
Which is worse than TESPA.
sand violet
So he has zero pro experience
And isn't a ladder star
And isn't flexible
And isn't a world class Doom
pearl stratus
Actually, I think the only player who made it out of Eurocup is Logix.
sand violet
So what's his one last advantage?
He's a streamer
It's undeniable he was signed for his fan base
I will be incredibly surprised if he sees play in any matches that matter
rare pagoda
He maintained rank 1 for a while, I'd say that constitutes a ladder star
If doom is hard meta I could see him playing
Otherwise they make bank off merch sales
pearl stratus
On a side note - isn't he #1 on the EU ladder or does he VPN to a real region?
pearl stratus
Okay, last I remembered caring that his mom didn't swallow him he was talking about being good on eU.
Which is like..
Oof.
Also:
Awkward they already put the bench in the back.
rare pagoda
Actually I think he plays both
He alternates, was rank 1 on EU
Though he would still be rank 1-3 on other servers
pearl stratus
As of right now, based on most ptr Doom is kind of dying off in most of my games. Especially if people are throwing Rein + Orisa (Which I still don't think will be a thing)
Not throwing as in throwing the game, but throwing out that tank duo.
limber pine
Isn't funnyastro a starter by defail
rare pagoda
yes
limber pine
*default
rare pagoda
they have no other ms
pearl stratus
Yeah, it was more a joke that they put all the white guys in the back
limber pine
ah
pearl stratus
Rein into Doomfist feels so weird now too.
He punches and you move like..
6 inches.
sand violet
chipsa is not a ladder star
just a no lifer and playing a meta hero
that doesnt constitute ladder star
ladder star is a mostly unheard of player that comes through and dominates ladder
and gets noticed that way
think mouffin
reaching rank 1 =/= ladder star cause you can do that just by no lifing, duoing, used to be able to stack, etc
and also hes dropped REALLY hard any time doom wasnt hard meta
pearl stratus
I guess I can agree that hitting #1 doesn't really make things real.
I do remember.. Nomy or Remix, I can't remember which one.
Got benched in OWL because oof.
Then hit #1 in all the downtime.
limber pine
i miss nomy
sand violet
he was on SA OWWC when we were scrimming them
but I think he had to leave
dont remember
not SA OWWC
mexico
pearl stratus
I miss Dhak, not for his plays. But his voiceover stuff/analysis.
His accent made for hilarious hype.
He actually probably would have made a really entertaining caster.
trim shadow
Chipsa peaked at what 4.7? Mostly playing doom
And maintaind 4.6 at least
Him and 37 are kinda alike
pearl stratus
Also side note.
Pretty sure xQc just lost his visa, again.
I'm sure he'll find a new sponsor, but yeah.
rare pagoda
he's still under Sentinels so he's fine
He wasn't actually signed to Glads Legion apparently
pearl stratus
He's under Sentinels for them though, I don't forsee them handling it anymore without that connection.
Since he no longer has a return on his investment.
Though they could just keep him as a general streamer.
blissful heron
Endoken what's with the dig to freefeel?
pearl stratus
Freefeel actually played in the OWL. Something Chipsa most likely won't ever do.
Gotta give him the ups for it.
blissful heron
Don't throw him in to the Shanghai dumpster fire
He was a bright spot from what I remember
pearl stratus
I normally don't watch Dafran, but I'm watching him turn Chipsa into a fleshlight right now by just playing Sombra.
And its hilarious.
limber pine
actually kinda of surprised the Justice didn't just sign him
he could be a fine back up
trim shadow
So bani why u just didnt coach Houston
Absolutel dream that coaching line wouldve been
Harsha hooreg bani
limber pine
mint flower
celest spear
pearl stratus
The Envy thing isn't really news.
Didn't show up to the invitations, wasn't even in the team pictures for promo, etc.
trim shadow
Twitter
hidden vault
A mangerial role to assist Dpei
echo quest
Why tf are you comparing chipsa to jjonak. Jjonak is an anomaly who scrimmed and played in amateur tournaments and was considered the second best Ana on the korean ladder after jehong despite not being a pro. Dude had 3 accounts in top 5 on Ana
@trim shadow
hidden vault
Isn't chipsa the top doomfist on ladder??
chilly smelt
No, last season was danedd not sure who it is atm
raw ermine
so unlookey
slender lance
Do you guys think galds will be fine with just 2 dps
It doesn’t seem like they signed another
sullen berry
you never know
meta should have enabled OGE
but i think he needed time out (presume burnout or rest) duing stage 3 when the meta started shifting away from GOATs last season
Cloudy has been underwhelming
sand violet
No OGE is better on every mt probably rofl
sullen berry
but I wouldn't go as far as seeing him as better or worse than OGE
sand violet
But just a back up mt
sullen berry
I presume there could be geographical benefits to LHCloudy wheras OGE may not
but until we see that become a problem, assume he's just a sub
limber pine
LAG has made a lot of good moves, it just sucks that they couldn't keep some of their old tanks and dps
slender lance
I just hope it’s a change for the better
jagged crater
is kuki the first former OWL player to be a head coach ?
slender lance
Cwoosh was a head coach for giganti
slender lance
I don’t know about that
The only questionable ones are gonna end up being back ups
pearl stratus
Watching OGE's last season it makes perfect sense why they would sign him a back up.
And I think it was very smart of them to do so.
slender lance
Are you say oge is back up or cloudy
pearl stratus
Cloudy will most likely be the back up.
A.) He's not that good, but could be coached to improvement.
B.) OGE and Space have a pre-existing strong relationship which should be beneficial across the board.
They've hung out, they've ladder queued, they play together quite a bit.
I also agree, I think LAG made smarter choices across the board for their roster. Nothing is really a questionable pick up except for only two DPS, and one of them being Birdring.
LAV is much more questionable to me - primarily in the main tank position.
But support swapping to tank isn't the biggest stretch, I just never saw him play with Sydney DB.
limber pine
he's been a tank for about a year I think, so i'd just consider him a tank
but yeah, you don't see that transition very much
slender lance
Val is just getting who they can for really cheap
They could do great things but I doubt it will happen
pearl stratus
They didn't do the worst job of it though. Two versatile and solid DPS in Shax and KSF, supports are solid too. McGravy looked good the time he played.
Like I don't expect the roster to blow me away.
But it's not as bad as Florida doing their random K-Mart Korean Fiasco.
pearl stratus
I think, realistically, Custa made a fair point (albeit he shouldn't be talking about his own team like that)
Is LAV going to be a contender for the top?
No
Will they be the bottom?
Also most likely no.
pearl stratus
I think Bottom 5 is where it gets bleak, tbf.
I'm interested in his take on Toronto, because I actually agree with it.
Since it was one of the teams he listed as potentially being in that bottom 5.
People are looking too much at names, and not enough at synergy and potential cohesion.
remote falcon
.
minor flame
Toronto looks like it can be a wild card in terms of power
pearl stratus
I find more issues with their roster than LAG or LAV, ironically.
Tank line? Super questionable, and with no back ups. I expect Nevix to pull his weight but Beast is a complete wild card.
DPS? You've signed one strong dps, one consistent dps, and two awkward wild cards.
Support? Same situation. Kariv is strong, though his Zenyatta (should it return) is not amazing, and Kellex just seems like a weird fit here.
If all those pieces work together to make a puzzle you should have a good showing.
But right now it looks like someone mixed up three puzzles and are trying to make one final result.
pearl stratus
Paired in with what I'd say is a not solid tested coaching staff.
Which is the most frightening part
At least Paris in their split signings has some -very- solid coaching.
minor flame
Im not sure if Chengdu is gonna go with unusual comps or stick with meta, seeing as they have a strong showing if they stick with meta
pearl stratus
Fefe and Lilbow? Ehhhhh
minor flame
Though the rest of their offseason is subject to change
pearl stratus
Chengu's biggest issue is who do you get as a coach right now.
That will dictate their play style.
You get away with unusual comps when you have RUI because the man is just scary smart about that stuff.
Losing RUI is -very- detrimental to Chengdu.
minor flame
Shanghais the one that got boomed in the invitational right?
minor flame
Or was it Charge
pearl stratus
Hard.
minor flame
Ah
pearl stratus
Charge and Hangzhou boomed out.
If I was Chengdu I might put in a push to try and take Creed from Shanghai.
minor flame
Hangzhou lost one of their coaches and Charge has barely made a single roster change
pearl stratus
Charge also hadn't played together as a group, apparently.
minor flame
Charges current roster needs alot more work
sullen berry
so i'd take it was a showmatch for charge and spark
minor flame
Who was playing on Hangzhou
pearl stratus
Supreme was replaced by Yeah.
sullen berry
shanghai wanted that dominance to be shown
pearl stratus
Hangzhou needs to pick up another DPS, and they should be fine imo.
The roster didn't need much changing.
minor flame
Are they still on the same roster as last we saw?
sullen berry
exactly who you would expect was playing on HZS for Shanghai invitational
no additions
pearl stratus
Yeah, which I still say is a very strong roster.
limber pine
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pearl stratus
They just need a stand out dps.
GodsB is very good, Bazzi and Adora are both good.
But they need that one edge.
Which Krystal was supposed to be.
But then Krystal was a shit fuck.
pearl stratus
He's always had some issues, but nothing this bad before from what I remember.
sullen berry
nothing of note came about back then that was this crazy
minor flame
Hangzhou is same but still good roster
sullen berry
definitely
minor flame
Charge is my main gripe
pearl stratus
He had a few little things like wanting to be closer to his girlfriend etc.
Which in the big scheme is pretty small.
minor flame
Chengdu seems to have a strong roster already but their main gripe is coach