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trail lodge
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Like fusions

trim shadow
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How is bumper@toxic

trail lodge
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A bottom 5 OT

trim shadow
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Show me ur evidence

trail lodge
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*MT

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He threw games because he didn't get sig lol

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Like

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actually hard threw

trim shadow
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Dicksweat i said evidence or it didnt happen

trail lodge
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Comms mean shit if your dying 1st almost every fight

trim shadow
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Read dammit WidowLUL

trail lodge
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Bruh this was like

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when sig came out

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I cant just pull it out

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I have to l o o k for it

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Ok wait

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@trim shadow

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there

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OWL player btw

trim shadow
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A reddit post..WidowFacepalm

trail lodge
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Its litterally

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him

trim shadow
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Ur referencing this shit WidowLUL

trail lodge
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????

trim shadow
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This is the only post ive seen about toxic bumper

trail lodge
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@trim shadow

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In the reddit thread

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You didn't even look at it

trim shadow
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Comes from the same reddit post

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Ive looked at it when it first came out

trail lodge
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So

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You know hes threw games

mint flower
analog lark
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Florida gonna be a bottom 3 team

raw ermine
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BQB bruh

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I heard a leak that Toronto is resigning Defiant Duck

trim shadow
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Seriously toronto

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Whats the point of keeping logix

raw ermine
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"DINK"

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"DINK"

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"DINK"

balmy wolf
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@trail lodge that video of bumper is old and he has already apologised and been fined

echo quest
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That’s like one instance of him being toxic lmao

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@trail lodge haksal is the biggest dickhead on the Titans yet he still starts

raw ermine
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Who is he rude to?

trim shadow
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Haksal has been kinda toxic ever since he became a pro

trail lodge
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@balmy wolf He still did it tho

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@echo quest Thing is tho Haksal is a child whos had it all so its to kinda be expected

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Whrou and Sinatraa are the same

raw ermine
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Yeah

trail lodge
raw ermine
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Who is Zaprey?

trail lodge
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Not zaphey ):

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Dainish dps

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whos really good

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but didn't make team denmark starting roster because Fischer and Shax are cracked

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Like

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Denmark have 5 OWL Level dps

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its kinda insane how stacked Denmark are for dps

echo quest
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@trail lodge bumper is the same age as haksal...

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So in that case bumper a kid too

trail lodge
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Thing is tho

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Bumper is bad

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Haksal good

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Bumper chats shit when hes shit

echo quest
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Calling him shit lmao

trail lodge
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I mean he is

raw ermine
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Haksal is really good

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No doubt

trail lodge
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In what world is Bumper good in 2/2/2

raw ermine
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like sinatraa

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he can improve

trail lodge
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Bumper needs 3 supports to keep him alive

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And you can only have 2 now

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(:

echo quest
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Clearly you didn’t watch runaway pre OWL

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He did just fine

trail lodge
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Fine was it

echo quest
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Fine isn’t exactly bad?

trail lodge
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Looked outclassed by other kr MT 's that are just ok atm

echo quest
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He’s outclassed on anything that isn’t rein

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You could say the same for super.

trail lodge
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So deadweight for a team aiming for the title

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I mean Super is good on Orisa

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Smurf is just nuts lol

balmy wolf
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Runaway pre OWL? For like a year + before they joined they were doing goats

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Lmao

trail lodge
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Super had his moments on Winston in 3-3

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I mean mean

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Plays guxue would be proud of

balmy wolf
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Lmao who remembers when gesture had the best main tank

raw ermine
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Super and Bumper are both decent on winston, but better on rein, and the orisa is bad enough it constitutes getting another MT

balmy wolf
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That was funny

trail lodge
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Yeah when Winston was meta

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Super dosen't hard feed on Orisa

balmy wolf
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Bumper is trash lmao

trail lodge
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Bumper is one of the worst Orisa's I've ever seen

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Like hes on par with Fusions on Orisa

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hes that bad

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Super is just good on Orisa

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like

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top 6/9

balmy wolf
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Hence why he would always swap to rein in stage 4

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Bumper ^

raw ermine
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what every happened to Gesture in the inaugural season stage 4 when brig and rein became meta?

trail lodge
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Gesture was bad

balmy wolf
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4-6

raw ermine
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oh yeah

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I remember

balmy wolf
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Was their Stage 4 record

trail lodge
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In the playoffs rein wasnt meta tho

balmy wolf
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Then

trail lodge
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It was orisa

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Gesture Orisa was really good

balmy wolf
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BOOM after the 1st glad lose they lost 2 maps

raw ermine
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but then double sniper

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Then they go on a tear

trail lodge
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idfk why London put Gesture on Sigma

balmy wolf
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Gesture played rein a bit in the playoffs

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Spitfire used goats

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Tbh I dont think fury wanted to play sigma

trail lodge
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Nah dude they didnt

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it was hanzo

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profit was fucking kids on hanzo

balmy wolf
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They did use goats

trim shadow
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Eus have a 5% chance of making owl lets be real

balmy wolf
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On kings row

trim shadow
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So if zaprey isnt going to owl then

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F

trail lodge
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@trim shadow Thats why Chipsa went straight into OWL

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Off ranked

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I will say this

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the only other player that has done that

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Is JJonak

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so

trim shadow
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Chipsa’s doom is on the same level ad sinatraa

balmy wolf
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Krillin?

trail lodge
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Ig you can count Dafran too

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Nah

echo quest
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Even then jjonak had amateur tournaments

trail lodge
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Krillin was in OD and Trails

balmy wolf
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SanGuiNar

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He hasnt even been in trials

echo quest
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I don’t think chipsa has ever played in any type of team environment

trail lodge
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He was on "The Chavs" who only played ESL

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Christfer and Fischer were on that team

balmy wolf
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Esl...what a joke it is now

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Especially in r6

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But anyway

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Yea, SanGuiNar was basically picked up straight from ranked

trail lodge
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Ehhh

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Hes been playing a lot of amateurs tourneys

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on Gen.b which is like

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an academy team for an academy team

echo quest
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So like LW red?

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The feeder team for LW blue

trail lodge
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Ig so

balmy wolf
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There is
Seoul
GenG
GenA
GenB
GenS

trail lodge
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^

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Like

echo quest
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Wtf

trail lodge
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its fckin weird what they've got going on

echo quest
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A,B,S?

balmy wolf
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And G

trail lodge
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Yeah

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and all those feeder teams A-S only do korea cup

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Which is korean ESL bassically

balmy wolf
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They have
1st - 5 times
2nd - 2 times
3rd - 3 times
In korea cup

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Gen B

trim shadow
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@echo quest he has

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Like

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Long time@ago

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2017

raw ermine
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Good

slender lance
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Saya and fate better pop off

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Especially fate after last season

hidden vault
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Their backline isn't solid tho

analog lark
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Kris and Byrem OMEGALUL

hidden vault
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Realistically I would get a MS for Gangnamjin

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And also QoQ for Fate

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But who knows what mayhem is thinking 🤷

lost glade
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chipsa will probably carry fusion to top 3

balmy wolf
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nice meme

short isle
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ha

karmic grotto
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Haters gonna hate

echo quest
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@hidden vault Mayhem have gargoyle no need for QoQ

hidden vault
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Gargoyle pairs with Karayan

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And I don't think he is fate level

balmy wolf
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karayan is a backup

hidden vault
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Ofc he is

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Since they have fate

karmic grotto
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Their fate is to be good

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Mayhem will perform better with the new signings

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Don't worry

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I predict that games will be higher quality, less stomps and more equality

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Except at the top

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Top 6 teams will crush the others

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But the average difference in skill becomes less

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I just want to see good games, not complete stomps, those are boring

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I want to see blood, sweat and tears

hexed cloud
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Lol grewsome

short sparrow
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Amen

hidden vault
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They are many factors for a team to flop

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I think we would see much more stomping instead

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From the top teams

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But the fight for mid tier would be much harder

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Tho I genuinely hope that teams do not have too much of a play and skill difference

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But from the last 2 seasons that's not what I saw

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What difference this season gonna be from the last 2?

short sparrow
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Well, now you have a dutch guy there

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Changes a lot

echo quest
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@hidden vault my guy did you watch gargoyle play?

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He was the best player on mayhem lol

karmic grotto
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Brussen

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Imagine bussen before vizility

karmic grotto
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Oke, so this is odd

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Mandu won't be 18 until June

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Same as Sparkle

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But you won't these players signed already?

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He will only play for 3 months

short sparrow
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To make sure you don't lose them

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And that they get used to scrimming with your team

hidden vault
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@echo quest better than fate?

echo quest
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yes

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his hog is absurd

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and dva is great as well

hidden vault
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Alrights if you know better

orchid badge
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dva is one of the nicest tho

cyan zealot
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Why is jayne so mad at chipsa?

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My only problem is that a lot of people’s anger is being directed towards chipsa and not the owl. Like what was chipsa supposed to do? Not accept the offer lmao?

karmic grotto
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Jayne doesn't like Fusion nor ChipSa brother

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Especially his brother

raw ermine
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Cause. Y'know . The fusion aren't well liked...

balmy wolf
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@cyan zealot
He's mad cause

  1. Chipsa is a streamer who didn't really do anything to work his way into the pro-scene. Jayne views that there are better and much more hardworking players in contenders/t1/t2 scenes who aren't well paid, who are much more deserving than Chipsa whom he views got into the Fusion because of his connection to his brother rather than actual skill.
  2. He doesn't view it fair cause it just means all the people who worked actually hard are being overlooked which, in his eyes, is setting a bad example and precedent for players. "Don't bother working super hard just be a popular streamer" and while this may gain media attention in the short term, it will be killing it off the e-sport in the long term, which I don't understand how it will but I'm intrigued.
  3. He thinks it's just a public stunt and Chipsa won't be actually playing cause a good chunk of us are expecting doomfist meta to go away and Chipsa really is only a DF one trick.

Also to your question about Chipsa and what he was supposed to do; He could have joined a contenders/t1/t2 team, try out and work his way up the ladder and make an impressive showing of someone worthy of getting picked into OWL instead of "Please bro, please can I be in fusion? I'll pop off bro like you know my DF is sick bro!"

The only thing he can do now since accepting the offer is actually be played, pop the fuck off or risk basically getting the same treatment as zacharee. Treated as bad and only got in because of his connection to a coach. Except worse cause Zacharee was actually in the contender's scene and put in some work.

little silo
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Well he didn't say "Please bro,can I please be on the Fusion?" He just got an offer from them and took the opportunity

pearl stratus
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Did you guys see the kid who made a RJH Music box for his project for school?

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You can't read the details on that but it includes wordwrap on the disc of "symbolic figure of Overwatch Ryujehong The F*cking Ana God" and has his number on the gun.

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Also it wasn't 3D Printed, its all cut/soldered by hand etc.

karmic grotto
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Finally will see Leave playing

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Tomorrow it's starting

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Chinese teams

mint flower
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Oh yeah

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What time is it?

karmic grotto
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FYI : UK time
SHD vs HZS 6am
GZC vs CDH 8. 30am
Finals 11 am
All in DEC 1

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copied from HZS twitter

mint flower
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K thx

karmic grotto
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It's still a bit not clear

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PST is from the timezone of West USA

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Basically it would mean Saturday

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For us GMT time it would be already next day, 1 December

hidden osprey
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🤣

balmy wolf
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it's funny cause he probably won't be playing

raw ermine
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Omg Philly throwing shade

pearl stratus
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The dead fish is the best part, because they must have seen his personality and stream 😛

karmic grotto
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?

sand violet
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Everyone knows he won't be playing

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It's not like they're the first team to sign a player that won't play for in order to get their fanbase

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Legion did it with xqc. No one complained then

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Everyone has known connections and popularity will get you far in overwatch p2p. Jayne should know well, since that's the reason why he got to OWL. He had super poor performances all throughout his coaching career but he was a popular streamer and friends with aero so he got signed

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It's the pot calling the kettle black

karmic grotto
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xqc was a back up main tank

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And reason he got into legion was to have us visa

balmy wolf
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Welcome back??

Who tf is he

hot heart
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Yeah

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Who is this dude?

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Never seen him play

feral wing
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chipsa can easily get some playtime honestly

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if the meta is still doomfist centered

tropic herald
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That’s an if though

feral wing
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yeah

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but if it isnt

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then he can just stream while being on the bench

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so it doesnt ruin a potential career or anything either

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still think philly need another main tank

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like drop snillo

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get kaiser or something

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Kaiser + Fury tank line

mint flower
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@balmy wolf karayan was signed midway into season 2

balmy wolf
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Erm

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Why

celest spear
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@balmy wolf @hot heart Karayan is Gargoyle's MT and was the one they originally signed before Mayhem considered Fate. Just like Gargoyle, DPI/Creature and Rain, Karayan had visa issues and didn't get there until later in stage 3.

trim shadow
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Karayan is OT

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MT*

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Gargoyle is OT

celest spear
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That's what I just said

hot heart
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Thanks dudeWidowmakerKiss @celest spear

mint flower
rare magnet
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was there a rumor that dragons will sign bumper

supple prism
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i heard they passed on it even though it was kinda low

hidden vault
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Dray forgot about karayan

uneven wren
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karayan has now been posted

raw ermine
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Xqc has been banned for longer than the universe has existed tho

celest spear
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xQc was never really banned

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His contract with Dallas was terminated. He can come back whenever he wanted (and he did get offers from teams, namely Shock, after his departure).

trim shadow
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xqc kinda got blacklisted out of the leauge

celest spear
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Nah, if that were the case then...

  1. He wouldn't have gotten offers from other teams.
  2. He wouldn't be able to participate in the World Cup, as Blizzard would probably want to bar him from all Blizzard events by that logic. [Contenders as well]
balmy wolf
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xqc realize its better for him to just become a bigger streamer since thats what led to him leaving the league anyway

celest spear
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He got a lot of viewers not only off of the controversy surrounding him in OWL, but also from the 2017 World Cup

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Blizzard ended up making xQc a lot more successful in the process

sand violet
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everyone knew xqc was never having playtime on legion

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you can say he was a backup MT but they knew beforehand that he wasnt playing

blissful heron
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what happened? he gone?

sand violet
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thats in response to someone saying xqc was signed to legion to be a backup MT, not for popularity

celest spear
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@blissful heron Legion hasn't really made any roster moves iirc [Outside of Stand1 leaving]

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The only other noticeable thing was Dalton being spotted in tryouts for LAG

severe junco
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xQc is there for the Legion if their MT gets bumped to OWL

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granted, don't see that happening any time soon

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but still

celest spear
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They had 3 MTs: Panker, Stand1 and him. Panker is a 2 way who has been benched on both teams and Stand1 was just sent off to Shanghai

severe junco
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Panker might see game time, but I doubt he'll see much

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plus, PTP has been fairly weak this off season

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Not many from Contenders to OWL outside of 2 ways

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granted, there hasn't been AS many chances as last season

hidden vault
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Xqc was signed into legion so that he could continue staying in la

tropic herald
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I think xQc said he didn’t want to play professionally anymore

supple prism
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The idiot did it, he shaved off his eyebrows

mint flower
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Yeah lol

supple prism
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is there a pic of him with the hood up?

hidden vault
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Will eyebrowns grow back?

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Also why did he shaved lol

uneven wren
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something about sideshow hitting 2k subs on twitch

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he hit that then had to shave his eyebrows

supple prism
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they will grow back, just not sure if they grow back before OWL starts

hidden vault
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i'm sure he can put fake eye browns lol

supple prism
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he was trying with marker

balmy wolf
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@hidden vault eyebrows start to grow back anywhere from 2weeks - 2years

supple prism
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or even never

hidden vault
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Oh dear

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The thing is the eye browns on our heads not seem to grow

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Haha

patent yoke
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what does xQc stand for

gritty dawn
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feliX QuebeC

jagged crater
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least he got 2k subs

swift ginkgo
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lime owl
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BURN DallasFuel BLUE

trim shadow
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BURN TRASH

celest spear
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@hidden vault It takes eyebrows about 64 days to grow back. Sideshow's will grow back on the 1st of February and OWL starts on the 8th.

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He lucked out

short sparrow
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xDDD

hidden vault
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Grow back completely?

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And eyebrowns only max at a certain length?

vivid solar
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shh

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wait

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bot is blocking him for some reason

trim shadow
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Ah bots hates me WidowLUL

vivid solar
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there's probably a filtered word in the embed information somewhere

trim shadow
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But nlaeer is giving jaynes argument some fruition or light about the leauge

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Ive always said the scouts were drunk

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Nd coaching decisions were weird

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And then blizzard is just nonchalant about ow and now were getting a ow2

feral wing
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one time my friend cut off a part off my eyebrow so that it got split in two

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think charlie puth

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took ages to grow back

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poor man

balmy wolf
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you can get fake eyebrows to stick on

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i think

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he wil b fine

hidden vault
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I don't really care about sideshow but i'm more interested in the bio behind it ZaryaLUL

swift moth
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lmao rip his eyebrows

raw ermine
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He said if we hit 2k subs on twitch before, 2020, he would shave his eyebrows

swift moth
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did you get 2k subs? yes

what did it cost? everything

hidden vault
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It's only eyebrows

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Not everything

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And it will grow back

swift moth
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stop destroying my joke

hidden vault
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It's alright

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I think you are sleepy

swift moth
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from where did you come up with such a far fetched hypothesis

pearl stratus
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Takes on average 2 - 4 months at the minimum to grow back. So there is a hilarious chance where they take on the long end.

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And he ends up not casting the start of the season again

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So it doesn't look a freak is there.

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Especially since his hair is already on the receding end (his forehead looks like its doing a fadeaway jumper)

swift moth
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lmao

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they might draw it on tho

balmy wolf
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he just has more forehead tho

trim shadow
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Sideshows receding hairline has pissed me off ever since i first saw him

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Its a new breed of ugly receeeding hairlines

mint flower
swift moth
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lmao

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is that real or an html edit

mint flower
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Pretty sure it's fake

swift moth
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yea I searched for it but couldn't find it

pearl stratus
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It's fake, you can tell because it references him as Voldemort

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However you'd be surprised how many contracts have things like that in them.

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Or things like transportation restrictions.

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Lots of sports contracts, for instance, have clauses stating no motorcycles etc.

trim shadow
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Well you can easily get injured on a motorcycle

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Cause people still dont know how to control themselves on a bike and car drivers have perma tunnel vision

pearl stratus
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Lots of broadcasters have hair color/style clauses too, its pretty normal.

idle beacon
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i need a new screen

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any suggestions?

short sparrow
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Laptop 😎

idle beacon
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damn, since when are asus rog screens so expensive?

balmy wolf
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what about chipsa

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joing overwatch league

sage maple
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what about harbleu
still not in overwatch league

balmy wolf
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what about fischer

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not in overwatch league

short sparrow
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What about asking

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Not in overwatch league

hot heart
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What about Twomad

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Not in the overwatch league

balmy wolf
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What about @balmy wolf

hot heart
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True

balmy wolf
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Not in the overwatch league

hot heart
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What about @balmy wolf

balmy wolf
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(:

hot heart
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(:

balmy wolf
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#MeForOWL2020

hot heart
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PogU

balmy wolf
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Even though im 16

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but who cares

hot heart
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Fuck it dudd next sinatraa

balmy wolf
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i look 18 ill just fake id it

hot heart
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Ez clap

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Whats your Overwatch dream team dude? @balmy wolf

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They dont have to be in OWL

balmy wolf
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hmm

hot heart
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Like your dream team to win OWL

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Who would it be

balmy wolf
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6 players?

hot heart
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Yeah

balmy wolf
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2 each role?

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ok

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Rascal
Profit
Fury
Tizi (idk why i feel like he deserves it)

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bdosin

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and uhhh

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twighlight

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twilight*

hot heart
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Really solid team actually

balmy wolf
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idk how to spell it

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whats yours

hot heart
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Id say

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Hmmm

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Kariv Viol2t

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Sinatraa Profit

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Super Fissure

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Actually no

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Fissure Choihyobin

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ez clap

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Now if we were talking contenders

balmy wolf
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only one id say no to there is fissure i rlly dont like him

hot heart
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Id get sp9rk1e instead of profit for sure

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I mean

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Yeah

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Fissure and super are interchangeable for me

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Im just kinda hyped for his return

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Now do you have a contenders team? @balmy wolf

balmy wolf
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contenders team to win OWL?

hot heart
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Yes

balmy wolf
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the current runaway roster

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or EM

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EM with sp9rk1e ofc

hot heart
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id say a mixture of those two rosters

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Could roll any team in OWL

balmy wolf
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yea

hot heart
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Idk how they havent been picked up yet

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Like half of of those teams

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Some teams have the money

balmy wolf
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was QoQ picked up

hot heart
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I think so

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Ive heard some news about him recently somewhere

balmy wolf
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same

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ik he split with runawau

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runaway

hot heart
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Yeah

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I think it was mayhem

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Anyways

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Dude the mayhem squad

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Have got really good signings

balmy wolf
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yea

hot heart
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I think it was yangjimin

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Or something

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And yaki

balmy wolf
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i sadly see spitfire bottom 10 this year which makes me sad

hot heart
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Yeah

balmy wolf
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C9 took a huge dip in their budget as an org from loads of fines

hot heart
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They had the potential

balmy wolf
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so the roster just got budgeted

hot heart
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Budget is almost always

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Really bad

balmy wolf
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well i mean uprising did it in S1

hot heart
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It kind of worked

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Then it went downhill real quick

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Imagine an expansion team buying out EM

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Holy shit

balmy wolf
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imagine if we had an expansion team

hot heart
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9r runway

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We arent going to

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But i hope we get a few

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Europe 1 team

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And theyre grabage

balmy wolf
#

we wont get any

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the schedule has already been released

hot heart
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Fuck

balmy wolf
#

no expansion for 2020

hot heart
#

Welp

balmy wolf
#

focusing on all the home games this year

hot heart
#

Who are you looking at for this season

balmy wolf
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to win?

hot heart
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Philly are looking reallt scary tbh

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Yeah

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Like title contenders

balmy wolf
#

you gotta put your money on shock

hot heart
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I know

balmy wolf
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but i think they'll have championship hangover

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like LDN

hot heart
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But i meant the other teams

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Yeah

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But it wont be as bad

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They'll still be top 5

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Or 3 even

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But not title winners

balmy wolf
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Philly , Defiant , Shock, LAG , Titans top 5?

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maybe spark?

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or dragons

hot heart
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Dragons looking meh

#

What about paris

balmy wolf
#

my top 10 in no order
shock
philly
defiant
titans
lag
spark
mayhem
outlaws
nyxl
reign/paris

hot heart
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Hmm

balmy wolf
#

very bold ik

hot heart
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Whats paris' new roster again

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I think they added some unknowns and then sp9rk1e

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Which is really weird

balmy wolf
#

nosmite

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from spark

hot heart
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NoSmite

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Wait why

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Would they ever do that

pearl stratus
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Because their EU tank is Benbest.

hot heart
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Okie nvm

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Remember paris stage one

balmy wolf
#

they are the only 2 confirmed

hot heart
#

They looked like they were gonna roll everyone 4-0 ez

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Like there was no contest

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Then goats wasnt meta

pearl stratus
#

Most people I know had Paris ranked bottom 25%.

hot heart
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And they instantly became trash

balmy wolf
#

they started stage 1 good

hot heart
#

Bottom 25% for experienced players

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Is weird

balmy wolf
#

2-0 to 2-4 to 3-4

hot heart
#

But some were washe dup

pearl stratus
#

Bottom 25% for looking at that roster.

balmy wolf
#

it was all EU thats why

hot heart
#

Shadowburn

pearl stratus
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It's the same as most people overestimating Toronto right out of the bat.

balmy wolf
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couldnt stand up to the koreans

hot heart
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Is so bad

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I dont get why people think he's good

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He is so

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Fucking bad

balmy wolf
#

well defiant did have a very good stage 1

hot heart
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Yeah

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They did well

pearl stratus
#

I mean for next year.

balmy wolf
#

stage 1 season 1 sdb was good

hot heart
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Then they faded in fhe background

pearl stratus
#

I look at current Toronto Defiant roster and I don't see top 10, I see mid level with adaptation issues.

hot heart
#

Yeah

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They have the pieces

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But they need to figure out how to put them together

pearl stratus
#

You've got two solid DPS, two mediocre DPS, a currently untested tank with a previous bench one (that I have faith in), with two supports with very different play styles.

hot heart
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Also it was big brain to get Canadian playees

balmy wolf
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well paris got nosmite

pearl stratus
#

And coaches that I don't 100% trust after last year.

hot heart
#

Kariv agilities is a good duo

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Surefour is consistent

pearl stratus
#

Agilities is one of the mediocre ones.

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He's inconsistent, very streaky, and sometimes just gets fucking rocked.

hot heart
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But he has experience with kariv

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So i assume coaches would pick him over other dps

pearl stratus
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Surefour + Logix are the two stronger ones. Mangachu is just weird and overlaps with Agilities but not in great ways.

hot heart
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And who knows

balmy wolf
#

synergy becomes useless when you're just outclassed

hot heart
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He might actually improve

pearl stratus
#

Kellex is a much more passive support than Kariv too.

hot heart
#

Tell that to jayne

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Yeah

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Roky

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Is roky aggressive

pearl stratus
#

I think the roster has potential but I look at the players after the last two seasons

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And Surefour doesn't -overly- impressive. He's consistent but his highs are not comparitve to some of the new DPS highs.

#

Agilities has never really impressed me, honestly, after two world cups and the LAV seasons.

balmy wolf
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well hes never really had a bad day

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, his consistency will be the crutch

balmy wolf
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expect maybe his zarya

pearl stratus
#

But he's not the star.

balmy wolf
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that was pretty bad

pearl stratus
#

And their other real "star" is another hitscan in Logix.

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I think Toronto will do well, but I'm expecting them to more or less be the new LAG.

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A team that does okay seasonally, but nothing really in terms of playoffs.

hot heart
#

Yeah i see that

balmy wolf
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Roster could be high mid tier or just barely top tier if the coaching staff does well

hot heart
#

I think its all on the coaching staff

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Or most of it

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Also

pearl stratus
#

I think LAG, overall, has one of the secretly impressive rosters currently.

hot heart
#

Hooregs a coach now

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Im so confused

pearl stratus
#

I actually would bet that Hooreg is amazing at coaching.

hot heart
#

This off season is the best weve ever seen imo

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But god am i confused

pearl stratus
#

Think about where his history has been, and how much bench time he spends.

hot heart
#

ChipSa in Owl

pearl stratus
#

Yet teams actively keep picking him up and keeping him around.

hot heart
#

Fissures back

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We lost bumper

pearl stratus
#

Which to me says he contributes a lot behind the scenes.

hot heart
#

Wtf is happening

pearl stratus
#

So I'm actually expecting the Hooreg pick up to be lowkey mvp.

balmy wolf
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bumper is probs going back to contenders if he doesnt get picked up

hot heart
#

Who wouldnt pick bumper up

pearl stratus
#

He's back to contenders, there's no team that needs a tank with that play style.

hot heart
#

I mean

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Hmmmm

balmy wolf
#

its late in trials

hot heart
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Shit dude

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Bumper pepehands

pearl stratus
#

You have better/other options for tanks atm.

balmy wolf
#

Most rosters have finalize their teams

pearl stratus
#

Also

#

Hydration confirmed as a tank, btw.

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Which makes sense, its what he trialed Season 1 as for a lot of teams.

#

So expect CM to be rotated to a coaching position.

hot heart
#

WAIT WTF

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WHY

balmy wolf
#

who confirmed it

pearl stratus
#

Flame

balmy wolf
#

flame?

hot heart
#

Omg

balmy wolf
#

ahh ok

pearl stratus
#

It was in his AMA.

hot heart
#

What does he play?

pearl stratus
#

I mean you can face palm

balmy wolf
#

hydration isnt exactly a bad tank player

hot heart
#

I feel like its roadhog

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And sig

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Stuff like that

pearl stratus
#

But he's one of the best Orisa and Sigma in the league

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Proved last season

balmy wolf
#

plays every off tank to a high level

pearl stratus
#

Also a really good ball.

hot heart
#

His ball

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Is really good

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Thats all i know

pearl stratus
#

He played Orisa for LAG.

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And Sigma for LAG.

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On stage.

balmy wolf
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Probs play every tank expect rein

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and winston

hot heart
#

Huh

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Send me the VOD

pearl stratus
#

Also like I said its what he trialed in Season 1 as for a lot of teams.

hot heart
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I wanna see it

balmy wolf
#

go look at playoff games

pearl stratus
#

Yeah LAG playoff games would be your best time to see it.

balmy wolf
#

he switch on and off from the dps and tank role

pearl stratus
#

He sometimes would go to fist, but you can clearly see him playing a better Orisa than their MT.

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And a better Sigma than their OT.

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Also their best Doomfisdt

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and Mei lol

hot heart
pearl stratus
#

But I actually like the concept of Muma + Hydration.

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It's a strong tank line.

#

Flame also said they're actively looking for a main support.

balmy wolf
#

Glads tankline actually pog now

pearl stratus
#

When they find one they like, we'll get the Coolmatt announcement 100%

hot heart
#

Hmmm

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Coolmatt

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Hows he doing

pearl stratus
#

He's not a great player, but he's kind of unflappable. Dude just maintains calm.

hot heart
#

I havent kept track with the outlaws

pearl stratus
#

So he'd be a good rotation for player coach, I'd bet.

hot heart
#

I guess

pearl stratus
#

Leaves the Houston DPS line as Blase, Linkzr, Jake and Danteh. Which is a good dps line.

hot heart
#

Jake

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Is so washed up

balmy wolf
#

nah

pearl stratus
#

Except he's not.

hot heart
#

From what uve seen

#

Hm

pearl stratus
#

He's sitting in top 50 for DPS I think, as of yesterday.

hot heart
#

Well shit i guess they do have a good line of dps

balmy wolf
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jake is probs the most consistent dps on the team besides danteh

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linkzr is basically a human on/off switch

pearl stratus
#

He's been grinding like crazy on ladder, I'll give him that.

hot heart
#

Linzr blase

pearl stratus
#

And he's been playing so much shit I wouldn't expect.

hot heart
#

Hmm

pearl stratus
#

Like Jake has a legit McCree now.

#

Added onto Tracer/Sombra.

hot heart
#

Yeah i like the thought of linkzr blasè

pearl stratus
#

So he flexes between hitscan/flex now.

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Which is pretty important.

hot heart
#

Oh cool

#

Blasè jake then

pearl stratus
#

I think they'll shock it.

balmy wolf
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jake hero pool is pretty huge, argubably the only hero he wont play is widow

pearl stratus
#

And rotate them per map.

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Because Danteh is still clutch too in so many roles.

#

I'd like either Jake or Danteh to focus on a Genji just in case.

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They both play it.

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But neither of them are like top top tier with it

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But he's been so bad for so long lol

hot heart
#

Blasè doom and danteh sombra

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Holy fuck

#

Kreygasm

pearl stratus
#

@balmy wolf He's been playing it in downtime, it's weird to watch. Does the Widow 1v1, and some other stuff.

balmy wolf
#

not like genji is gonna be relevant ever again

pearl stratus
#

Widow, that is.

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I don't think he'll ever be great at it. Just weird watching him play it

balmy wolf
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hard to a top tier widow these days

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the skill ceiling on her is always increasing

pearl stratus
#

The only ones from S1 that are still impressive to me

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Logix and Saya.

balmy wolf
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man saya should've move on from florida ngl

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dude is actually insane

pearl stratus
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Carpe dropped off after watching him try and play against Diem and Corey.

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So I don't even throw him onto the list anymore.

hot heart
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Saya and yaki could honestly just carry the team to finals if its a sniper heavy meta

balmy wolf
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i argue carpe's widow is not his best hero

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its his hanzo thats fucking scary

hot heart
#

Yeah

pearl stratus
#

You know who else has a scary Hanzo that we were just talking about?

balmy wolf
#

diem is a monster

pearl stratus
#

Jake.

hot heart
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But he's known for hus widow

balmy wolf
#

dude is wild

#

corey the destroyer of titans

pearl stratus
#

Never gotten over the fact Jake randomly plays this really good Hanzo

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It's no Corey though.

#

Or Jinmu.

#

Jinmu Hanzo is just dirty.

balmy wolf
#

I wanna see how corey would do next season, since he barely got to show off his dps pool

hot heart
#

Jinmus pharah and hanzo

#

Honestly just top 5 dps

balmy wolf
#

I wouldn't say jinmu is top 5

pearl stratus
#

Remember this:

hot heart
#

Who are your top 5 dps then?

pearl stratus
#

I would say Jinmu when he's mentally in a good spot is a top DPS. But sometimes he just does some dumb ass shit lol

hot heart
#

Omg

#

Kreygasm YES

pearl stratus
#

Which means I wouldn't put him there consistently.

balmy wolf
#

YXL lol

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consider chinas best hitscan dps

hot heart
#

Envy got fucked

balmy wolf
#

has the most pepega plays I've seen last season

hot heart
pearl stratus
#

He was a Widow and McCree, never much more.

balmy wolf
#

sombra was pretty bad

pearl stratus
#

I think it was a bad debut season for him, and he could be good down the line.

#

But he's like Pine.

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He plays what he plays, everything else is... oof.

#

I miss Elsa on Torb.

#

Remember Chengdu shitting on Atlanta with the Torb?

balmy wolf
#

nope

pearl stratus
#

HLC.

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It was hilarious.

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Dafran pulled out a Bastion in response, and they got rolled.

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I think it was towards the end of Stage 3, Atlanta only needed one game to clutch playoffs. And Chengdu rolled em 3-1.

balmy wolf
#

i remember LA choking a win against seoul to qualify for playoffs

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of course they fucked up by overextending and get ulted on

#

I dont know who I consider the most standout dps last season

#

So many showed up big time

sage maple
#

my boy Pine

hot heart
#

Pine basically didnt play @sage maple

sage maple
#

r/whoosh

#

xD

sullen berry
#

still no player with recorded stats as good as IDDDQ

hidden vault
#

And he retired

sullen berry
# 
Attention to details: Fissure has only seen 18/20 teams because he retired from Seoul on June 27, and Seoul didn’t play Eternal or Defiant until June 27 and Stage 4, respectively :>
#

this a quality meme

raw ermine
#

haha

#

love it

hot heart
#

The thing was there are people who are too in love with pine too not say thatZaryaLUL @sage maple

#

Anyways

#

Hello reddit!

mint flower
#

I'm so ready for the Shanghai masters invitational

balmy wolf
#

I’ve come from the future, in 2020 ChipSa will be named mvp of OWL

silent sphinx
#

he’s gonna get his own doom fist skin

mint flower
#

@balmy wolf and who wins the season?

balmy wolf
#

LA Valiant

mint flower
#

lol

karmic grotto
#

Live patch

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Not even PTR

#

Yikes

sullen berry
sullen berry
pearl stratus
#

Yeah the new Shanghai Roster looked -solid-

#

Seeing Geguri and Stand1 share MT was interesting as well, and looked really good actually

#

Also Leave has definitely been grinding his widow

#

Biggest shock for me might have been Lip, good scouting there it looks like.

little silo
#

yeah Lip did really well

#

Leejaegon looked great too

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Void was questionable at times but solid overall

pearl stratus
#

His Sigma looked much improved from Stage 4 at least.

#

He was actually showing up in the kill feed

raw ermine
#

was this the all chinese team tournament?

#

did I miss it?

balmy wolf
#

ye

#

wasnt exciting at all

#

SHD 3-0 Spark
Hunters 3-0 Charge

SHD 4-0 Hunters

raw ermine
#

fair enough

trim shadow
#

THE CN CASTER SAID YVETALS NAME RIGHT HALLELUJAH

raw ermine
#

how do you say it?

trim shadow
#

E vel tal

#

Fucking owl casters say y vel tal evil tal

balmy wolf
#

@trim shadow probably because in pokemon its pronounced y vel tal

trim shadow
#

Ash pronounced it e vel tal

balmy wolf
#

he prounced it like a mix

#

like he says either
e vel tal
y vel tal

#

or

#

ye vel tal

pearl stratus
#

Chengdu Shanghai was closer than the scoreboard shows at least, its a good game to watch.

#

I don't think most teams are ready for someone like Leave.

#

"What does he play?" "Yes." "No but like whats his main." "Yes."

trim shadow
#

Leave is my early rookie of the year

pearl stratus
#

If Lip always plays like he played in the show match he may end up on that list too

tropic herald
#

Is there a VOD of the tournament somewhere?

pearl stratus
#

Hangzhou's Twitch channel.

#

No english casters though, as a heads up.

short sparrow
#

xD

trim shadow
#

Whynot and whoareu on the same team

#

The name combo id amazing

short sparrow
#

Whoru hasn't been announced yet, has he

karmic grotto
#

no

supple prism
#

whoRU

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
trim shadow
#

Lol at reddit praying and pretending like I’m gonna be wrong. I’ve never been wrong. Should I prove it again with more juice? I’m just here for the fun. I learned a lot of lessons from Overwatch and am forever grateful. Truth is OW is tiny compared to FN face it.

celest spear
#

Oh yeah, this does put another sword through mykL's tweet

#

He said...
SP9RK1E -> Paris
Fate -> SHD
Fury -> NYXL
LAV is broke due to Immortals blowing money on COD League

trim shadow
#

1/4

#

Technically valiant arent broke since they managed to put together a roster that wont go 0-28 but can easily go 0-28

celest spear
#

But it's a roster that (on paper) seems significantly worst than what they had at the end of the 2019 season.

trim shadow
#

A lot worse then what they had in s2

#

And thats not gonna cut it when ur playing vancouver San fran and gladiators at least twice a year

earnest violet
#

they seriously dropped bumper. wtf

mint flower
#

Mykl lol

celest spear
#

Yep, Titans dropped Bumper and TiZi for Fissure

upper niche
#

I kinda expect VAN to still fall around that 5-8 range on the season ladder though.

pearl stratus
#

Fissure with no back up I feel like is a very unnecessary risk

#

Other than RyujeKong.

#

Drama aside I think getting rid of Bumper makes perfect sense from a business pov, but I would have held onto Tizi

celest spear
#

Ryujekong carries ez

trim shadow
#

Tizi left right?

gaunt acorn
#

yes

trim shadow
#

Ah

gaunt acorn
#

not all signings have been announced

trim shadow
#

Paijon has faith in fissure thats why

gaunt acorn
#

we can't say whether fissure is vancouver's only main tank yet

trim shadow
#

But if the spot is empty theres still December

#

The question is who df would vancouver sign to backup fissure

#

Maybe Alpha

#

But if they sign alphabhell probably start

hot heart
#

Imagine if they signed hotba

#

Kreygasm

#

Hoolyy

mint flower
#

Why would hotba on Titans be good?

#

Hotbas never been a great player to me

#

Hes good but not great

raw ermine
#

Hotba just got signed by NYXL

#

so that wouldn't happen

#

not to mention Jjanu is insane

gaunt acorn
#

jjanu had trouble adapting to sigma

mint flower
#

Jjanus dva is quite good tho

#

JJANUKE

raw ermine
#

Him and Choi both got better as the playoffs went on

#

they were decent at the start

gaunt acorn
#

choi was clearly a lot better

mint flower
#

Or was it secretly nevix???

celest spear
#

Nevix coached Choi on how to play Sigma

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

Nevix is probably close to how good choi is on sigma

#

Or as good as him (which i doubt)

celest spear
#

We've only seen Nevix play Sigma once in OWL but his Sigma is pretty good on ladder considering he hit rank 1 with him

pearl stratus
#

I personally wouldn't be surprised if Nevix was still, without playtime, one of the best OT in the league currently.

#

He didn't play because of Choi. But Choi would start over.... every OT in the league that I can think of.

balmy wolf
#

Well he is the best OT currently

#

The only hero I haven't seen from choi that much is zarya

trim shadow
#

Honestly sinatraa and choi could be one of the first million dollar contracts if they went somewhere else

#

But i doubt the cap is that high

#

Id imagine meko ran Houston about 200k-250k

tropic herald
#

Choi is insane

sand violet
#

No team has the money to be offering them million dollar contracts rn probably, ignoring salary caps

#

What team would have the money to Shell out 1m for 1 player when there's whole rosters that go for cheaper than that

#

Maybe in a few years of OWL grows rapidly and for a long time but I don't see it

hot heart
#

Why do i feel like if we get an expansion season 4 that theres gonna be a team that are just gonna pay to win

trim shadow
#

Thats why i said salary caps probably prevent that

#

If million dollar contracts become a thing that means owl survived past 5 years

#

Even then i doubt teams will offer that much

#

They’ll buy someones contract out for that much

#

But as a salary only team@i see reaching is dallas or philly

hot heart
#

Dallas have money?

#

Huh

#

Im sure Philly do

#

But dallas

#

The failure of a team

#

Dude im so disappointed in dallas

sand violet
#

The org behind Dallas is big

#

Even if the team underperforms

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

Envy is huge

#

Theyre loosing money fast thi

sand violet
#

Philly bigger tho cause backed by other corporations outside of esports orgs

hot heart
#

*tho

#

I think theyre backed by tmobile or something

#

Idk

sand violet
#

Philly or envy?

hot heart
#

Philly

sand violet
#

They're backed by Comcast

hot heart
#

Holy shit

#

Comcast

#

Dude

#

They're fuckinf drowning in money

sand violet
#

Yeah LMAO

trim shadow
#

@hot heart sideshow says dallas is the highest paying team in the leauge

#

I think team envy is what 6th? On most valuable esport orgs according to@forbes

sand violet
#

Crazy for them to pay so much with 2 awful finishes lmao

#

Maybe next season will be better

trim shadow
#

Considering most of the s2 roster is under contact means that everyone was on a 2 yearn gurantee and a option

#

So this should be there 2nd year

pearl stratus
#

Shanghai too.

#

Shanghai's owner himself is worth a little shy of 20 billion, not counting the company he runs.

hot heart
#

And still

#

Dallas have shit players

#

Every single one of them is trash

#

other than a few good players

#

Decay

#

Note

#

I like those

#

I feel like they could build around decay and note

balmy wolf
#

huh

#

all their new picksups are good

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

I forgot them

#

Doha gamsu decay note

#

Thats solid

#

The rest of the roster

#

Is washed up garbage

#

They're legends

#

But they arent up to par with the rest of the league

#

The supports

#

Hmmm

#

Idk dude

#

Theyre kind of fucked there

#

Unkoe

#

Is bad from what ive seen

#

Hmmm

balmy wolf
#

Their roster is good, its the coaching staff thats holding them back

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

And all the jayne drama

#

Its just fucking with orgs reputation

#

Or whatever they call it

#

What are dallas' supports rn? @balmy wolf

#

Hm

#

I mean

#

Closer unkoe is good

balmy wolf
#

Unkoe/closer
Harryhook as backup

hot heart
#

But there are better choices than unkoe

#

Or there was

#

Till mayhem and another team yoinked the two best supports in contenders

balmy wolf
#

its not as simple as just having money to sign players

#

Players have to consider a lot of things now that travel is a thing

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

Your right

#

I just really wanna see the old envy

#

Or just a good envy

#

Thats all

hidden vault
#

Oh

#

So sign chipsagen? ZaryaLUL

hot heart
#

SureZaryaLUL ZaryaLUL ZaryaLUL

balmy wolf
#

I wamna be in an esports one day