i hope they do 1v1s together
#esports-discussion
jagged crater
jagged crater
chipsa gets to use his doom so he can roll into carpe's
realistically who would win, a good doom or a good widow in a standard 1v1 map
tropic herald
Widow
jagged crater
widow has to get a headshot else she's kinda screwed
doom has to play sneaky go for a quick combo
depends on map too , if it's necro, yea obv widow sided
tropic herald
Realistically it’s Widow, that’s why she’s picked over Doom except for this one meta
jagged crater
im talkin about 1v1 situations in 1v1 maps
not a 6v6 game
no question widow stronger in general
tropic herald
I still think Widow
jagged crater
are you sure
jagged crater
in castillo?
jagged crater
widow at any point can one shot the doom
at any distance
but consistency is questionable
i'd say doom can more consistently kill the widow fast
tropic herald
Carpe Widow
jagged crater
fuck now i wanna see this
jagged crater
maybe if chipsa channels his inner anti-widow rage
necropolis is one sided af widow no question
but castillo i think doom has options
provided he doesnt get one shotted instantly
if widow misses her kill shot, i think doom's got it more likely
mint flower
Well it's not like you either hit your shot or you die...
jagged crater
weeeedow
mint flower
She can grapple away if doom goes in
jagged crater
doom is not gonna invest all his CDs if he knows widow has grapple
has to be just one
either slam or rocket
and then after grapple he can use the other one
also harb poggers
balmy wolf
what happened with harb?
jagged crater
nothin just wanna watch his opinion on this 😉
celest spear
jagged crater
ball just infintely more fun to play than dva for him
he prefers them high ladder carry tank heroes like hog/ball/zarya
balmy wolf
I mean harb has the hero pool to get into OWL, dva hasn't been that relevant ever since role lock came out.
jagged crater
hog/ball satisfies his flanking playstyle
jagged crater
hoggu
balmy wolf
hog is good with orisa
celest spear
Hence why I gave that timeframe. D.va hasn't been meta since season 17/role queue beta.
trail lodge
Sigma is better with Orisa
celest spear
Hog isn't good right now
jagged crater
he hasnt actually played much hog despite being known as the hog lord
trail lodge
and thats all that matters in pro play
jagged crater
he's played way more ball
trail lodge
Because hog was only meta in tier 2 playoffs
celest spear
Playing Hog into double shield is like wearing a big sign around in game saying "I'm a feeder"
balmy wolf
Hog might be viable in the next patch
trail lodge
i dont see how
jagged crater
weaker shields
trail lodge
when Sigma is better with Orisa
balmy wolf
Unless somehow its still sig/orisa on the majority of maps
trail lodge
then hog
trail lodge
Dive is shit
balmy wolf
Prob more map dependent comps
celest spear
Maybe
celest spear
It's because he has a riptire ready
balmy wolf
Jake has been playing a lot of bastion lately on stream
jagged crater
he's at yo house
trail lodge
The meta is going to be Sig/Orisa and Zarya/Rein
jagged crater
jake's hanzo kinda clean tho
jagged crater
why do you see sigma still working
trail lodge
Thank you blizzard for buffing one of the most broken ablities in the game 
Because Sig has insane dps
Sig has the best tank ult in the game
jagged crater
eight
trail lodge
I mean it is
Watch Crono play sig
all he does
Is play off angles and kill their supports
balmy wolf
Since his shield got nerfed, flanking sig is not that good anymore
trail lodge
using sigs sheild to take more aggro positons
Its not flanking
its off angles
theres a differnce
And even then good sigs play with map gemotry to bounce the orbs
sage maple
Bounce orbs?
trail lodge
Like a good sig will do more dmg then your dps even if their good
The orbs bounce off walls
sage maple
Ah gotcha, I’ve just never thought of his primary as orbs lol
trail lodge
Sig is going to be meta for a long time
supple prism
technically cubes
sage maple
Given I’m tired af, and I thought in some weird world that you were talking about his rock
sage maple
Eh idk, the shield nerf was pretty huge
trail lodge
Oh god his rock too
man
Its insanely powerful if you hit it
and the sheild nerf does not affect sig
trail lodge
Yeah
jagged crater
sigma got nutty burst
sage maple
Well idk about that statement
celest spear
Rock's direct hit is 90 and two orbs hitting a target is 55 each, so 110 in total.
trail lodge
Bro you dont use sig sheild to protect your team
You use it
to take off angles
to get more dps in
to build flux quicker
And flux is a huge dps ult because it does 50% to the enemies health
jagged crater
rock rock rock
omg jake is mentioning the sym mains
it's what jake so mad
but then jake still smiling 🙂
celest spear
Reminder kids....
You can't nano flux. No matter what, it will always do 50% of the target's max health.
jagged crater
i made a dmg tester to confirm and that is correct
sage maple
We’ll see then, hopefully you’re right bc I Sig a lot but I use it to shield my DPS more, not for me really
jagged crater
does it boost from discord dmg?
trail lodge
I mean you can nano flux to ensure kills onto tanks
Sig is so insanely busted
its unreal
jagged crater
whaz?
trail lodge
But its fun as fuck to play him 
jagged crater
thoughts on semphis getting jacked?
trail lodge
Also cant believe people are saying Leaf should be in OWL
jagged crater
would he be a better or worse pick than chipsa?
balmy wolf
semphis?
jagged crater
chipsa is just a question of what has he done
trail lodge
Chipsa is actually good tho
jagged crater
really no idea what he's been doin
jagged crater
will he work if doom is literally out of the meta?
jagged crater
that's what we all think
but can he surprise us
does he have "coachable" potential
trail lodge
Nah he is a doom 1 trick
jagged crater
like the way crusty was able to unlock sinatraa's potential
balmy wolf
sinatraa already was a mechanically good player
jagged crater
he neetz breh
balmy wolf
sinatraa had ego problems tho
trail lodge
But df is probaly going to be meta
jagged crater
how come
jagged crater
with the shield changes?
sage maple
Idk, I like seeing Doom in pro-play, entertaining af
trail lodge
But df has beter burst dps then those 2
sage maple
Bc of just how much carry potential one player can have through the hero
balmy wolf
Since the uptime of shields is going down were probs not gonna see doom that much
jagged crater
that was the largest carry ive ever seen in an OWL game
balmy wolf
corey almost broke a record for most final blows in a match
sage maple
True, that was an insane run
balmy wolf
35 finals blows or something
on fucking hanzo
hanzo is not even his best hero
its widow
balmy wolf
goodbye shields
jagged crater
not even the shields anymore
but orisa is like indestructable cuz of her armor and fortify buff
supple prism
@jagged crater damage boosters does increase sigmas flux. Ana makes it do 75% of total health
balmy wolf
orisa is still a good tank
trail lodge
Reins CC buff is huge
balmy wolf
off tank is now more lenient on what to choose
trail lodge
Rein is going to be played a lot moer
jagged crater
weaker shields pave way for hanzo/widow to come back
because they can pick you across the map
balmy wolf
Also hog just fucks doom over
balmy wolf
I mean, I'd wager an OWL sniper is likely better than a OWL Doomfist in that match up most of the time. I'm expecting double sniper. Yes Mei and Reaper and Doom are strong but they were strong cause double shield was so strong but with the main thing they're strong against being out of the meta, I'd wager that means that they too are no longer meta once it hits live.
gentle shuttle
tfw u wake up and remember the young lad himself made it to orangewotch league 
karmic grotto
severe junco
I very much doubt that Doomfist will containue to be meta, and signing a Doomfist OTP is very very risky
Taking a MT backup would've been better
since A) You're not adding to the already huge pool of DPS players and B) you're fixing an existing problem
plus, Doom is meta because he ALWAYS has a shield to retreat to. Not only are players clumped together, but the fact that he's either got a Sigma or Orisa barrier to retreat to means that he's always got protection
Signing ChipSa is stupid, and is both dumb on a choice level (if you want another DPS player in the pool, take one of the 3 billion in Contenders who probably will have a larger pool and still be able to perform on certain heroes) and a publicity level (not really wise to take another DPS player when you've already got 5, plus the Assistant Coach is his brother)
I'd wager that he's got a Stage or 2 before either A) He gets removed or B) retires
He might not even get played either, like how Fragi was perma benched by the Fusion
I mean, I like Eqo, but like
4th Map should be used for testing your backups or different strats
it's probably why they removed it, 4th map was just worthless
SADO, not Eqo
my bad
This is still stupid though
As for Fissure, I can understand it, but
Bumper is practically the face of the Titans
karmic grotto
@severe junco
If you have watched ChipSa and Sideshow stream
You would have known that it doesn't matter if he was benched all season
He said even if he is the weakest, it doesn't matter
You could have signed Dannedd, but he doesn't have any presence as person and on twitch
Not marketable
severe junco
Again, if you wanted presence or marketability, you already did that Fusion
karmic grotto
They have ChipSa for it
severe junco
You did that a while back when you signed FunnyAstro
karmic grotto
He is a good player
severe junco
Plus, Marketability?
karmic grotto
And it's not even a dumb choice, right now in contenders, there aren;t players who can take the flex dps spot of ivy and eqo
Why should other contenders be signed for?
severe junco
Fury, Poko, FunnyAstro, Boombox, Carpe, SADO
karmic grotto
As chipsa brother said, might as well have a near one trick doomfist who you know his doomfist is world level, and a person who is very well known
people are salty af
that's funny to me
severe junco
Again, signing Chipsa is stupid because you're patching non-existing hole
severe junco
bad decisions are bad decisions
since they have a main tank problem, they probably should've focused on getting a main tank from contenders, not signing a really fucking good chipsa
karmic grotto
That's your opinion
No idea if you are a fusion fan or not, but that's too much negativity
severe junco
Look at it this way: If I were the Fusion, I'd sign a main tank from Contenders, and leave the doomfist OTP for a team that has a Doomfist problem
This could be a fantastic pickup if it turns out well
but I just don't see it turning out that way
karmic grotto
Fusion isn't really goats team, I can't blame them for that. But with this new meta that isn't goats anymore, Sado can perform better. It's not as if he was the (only) problem. Fusion in goats meta didn't had much cohesion and Carpe himself wasn't even a great Zarya. People put the blame on Sado all the time, sure it's (un)fair, but the problems Fusion had were the same as Justice
When the meta changed Justice went on a winstreak
Even then, Janus was released when people said he was the worst main tank
But even he was part of the team in stage 4 that went to near perfect streak
Sometimes the meta just doesn't do justice to a player
And some players are signed specifically for their signature hero
Guard from Spitfire, Sombra main I presume?
Was then released for his performance and not having good team play, as in, not great synergy
Was he a good Sombra? yes, that's why they signed him. Did he perform great? Not really, but he was given a chance
Spitfire's new roster have doubts, like why would you sign unknown players over players who have shown themselves in Contenders?
Even if they did, I give them a chance to prove themselves. You never know if that player turns out to be a star
hidden vault
I don't understand what you are trying to say
karmic grotto
Whoru hint? 
pearl stratus
Side note though - Sado can perform better on another tank that isn't being chosen at all.
Ever.
Sado is a winston, and really only a winston.
He's T2 level on every other tank.
So that part of your argument should probably be removed.
I don't agree with any team not having a back up main tank when your go to main tank is more of a specialist.
hidden vault
With this hype they generated with chipsa
He be an occasional guest apparence for philly
celest spear
With all this talk from Tucker, the last thing I would've expect from Fusion was a sixth dps. They do need another main tank to take the spot from Sado since he's their weakest link.
trim shadow
The fact teams are stacking up on dps baffles me
Maybe because dps is volatile an
I believe in you fissure
balmy wolf
trim shadow
Twitter
karmic grotto
Also to elaborate
Why do players think they gonna get signed by Fusion only to be a bench warmer? They're acting as if Fusion is the only available team that has free place in their roster
They ain't getting playtime when their roles can be filled by 2 other players easily
Chipsa will get experience, he will improve and who knows how valuable he will be to Fusion
pearl stratus
Yeah, there's no players in the league who get signed to just sit there and do nothing but collect a paycheck.
trim shadow
If dey wanna be a bench boy try out for san fransicso
There roster wont change for the next 2-3 years
pearl stratus
I understand you have an affinity for Chipsa but he plays maybe Doomfist at a pro level and he's relatively mediocre on everything else. Could he surprise us all? Potentially. Likely? No. So he's got one viable hero which has surely never hurt other players who have no depth of use.
They'd never just sit there riding the pine on the bench.
trim shadow
Chipsa has full underdog story under his belt
Who knows what kdg? And his brother can do
To turn him into a pro
Hell he could be a scrim god
pearl stratus
Sideshow made the best argument.
If he plays fine, if he's useless as shit you've got a streamer. You'd pay the streamer already, so its just where they're taking their money from.
trim shadow
limber pine
Twitter
balmy wolf
Jayne: The Fusion are scummy and there is probably nepotism in the Chipsa pick and it's particularly scummy that they pick him for media attention when there's so many worthy players in the contenders scene that took the appropriate route and are judged by skill rather than popularity.
Everyone: Chipsa is only a doom OTP and signing him is a bad call.
Others: Chipsa can be good! You don't know what's the meta going to be! Maybe he'll surprise us with OWL level teamwork and other hero choices!
Me: Wonder how Hotba is gonna perform on NYXL.
karmic grotto
Lmao
trim shadow
F for fahzix
celest spear
It should be considered a war crime on how badly Justice shafted Fahzix
trim shadow
Justice kinda did what valiant dis to asking
short sparrow
? What did Valiant do to Asking?
trim shadow
Offer him to buy him from boston bur Backed up on the day off of the finalization of the deal
Didnt even compensate boston for it
And ever since asking has been underground in the t2 scene
blissful heron
fusions axxiom
pearl stratus
I would make the solid assumption that if Philly were to sign another MT player they will have to be Korean for Carpe.
balmy wolf
i make the solid assumption that sado deserves another chance
we have seen him be good in S1
his winston and orisa are pretty good imo
his rein just flopped this year - the extra criticism may not of helped his confidence either
trim shadow
So wheres kaiser 
pearl stratus
His Orisa is actually pretty bad, I'd put him at a bottom 5. His Winston is great though.
Which is why I think you give him a back up.
Like the Jiqiren for Ameng.
Or Smurf/Super.
trim shadow
Even honestly unless super has been hard grinding i think@it will@be super for smurf
uneven wren
yeah it happened
😥
they must have either traded him or bought him out
titans discord is a sad boi moment currently
uneven wren
idk
cloud latch
what team would he go to?
cloud latch
12 cause heesu
limber pine
Fissure allows better flexibility while continuing Vancouver’s aggressive main tank style
raw ermine
Bumper is the leader and face of Vancouver! Why would they do such a thing. I hope he gets signed
limber pine
It’s a good move (assuming Fissure plays the whole season)
pearl stratus
Why would you think Bumper would go to another team?
If you're following rumors Shanghai passed him up even though he was cheap af.
My guess is Bumper will go back to Runaway in Contenders.
short sparrow
Or go back to being MS? :o
short isle
vancouver will have to adjust to a different play style i imagine because a lot of what they did involved bumpers aggressiveness
unless fissure fully fills in bumpers spot like that
worn falcon
Fissure is aggro as Bumper
jagged crater
yesterday was a fun day
acoustic summit
Bumper......
green stump
@pearl stratus You'll enjoy this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648377452657115144/649342896004399164/Pumper.png
limber pine
vancouver will have to adjust to a different play style i imagine because a lot of what they did involved bumpers aggressiveness
Fissure plays just as aggressive as Bumper
That's actually part of the knock on Fissure, is that if you play with him you have to adjust to his aggressiveness
trail lodge
His Orisa is new levels of shit
limber pine
but not garbage
limber pine
no, you're just inflexible
trail lodge
And that's shit
trail lodge
But he is tho
supple prism
yet he made it to OWL
trail lodge
I'll be surprised if he ends up on a top 10 OWL team
OWL = good
Dhak is diamond
Lmfao
supple prism
who
limber pine
now you're just creating arbitrary guidelines
supple prism
ok
supple prism
dhak isnt diamond
trail lodge
I will be surprised if Bumper ends up on a top 10 team
He was when I saw him
He was like
3.2k
supple prism
maybe because decay?
trail lodge
Yeah but even then when he plays hes only high masters /Low gm
Which is still
Shit
jagged crater
DADDY DHAK
trail lodge
Especially for an ex OWL player
trail lodge
But yeah
jagged crater
he's a main support so it's fine
jagged crater
ajax likes to get memed for being a masters player but he did pretty well when he was on contenders
trail lodge
The top 3 KR MTS in tier 2 are better then Bumper
jagged crater
bumper was able to do the things he did cuz of the players around him
we all agree w/ dat
i miss daddy dhak
jagged crater
tell daddy dhak he's back
but dat bumper hanzo tho, tell me a main tank with a better hanzo than ma boi
mint flower
O ok
raw ermine
but that probably reflects his support role not much higher
celest spear
trail lodge
Ayyy
balmy wolf
He wont play imo
trail lodge
acrually good
balmy wolf
Does this just confirm bdosin to Seoul then? Cos who are their supports now
trail lodge
Tobi
raw ermine
Wow
balmy wolf
And creative? Or whatever his name is
balmy wolf
Arent they both main supports
balmy wolf
Yes I just forgot his name
trail lodge
no creative is FS
trail lodge
Bliss the small boi is the gen.g MS
balmy wolf
What is Seoul's full roster as of rn?
Tobi
Creative
Profit
Gesture
Michelle
Marve1
??
Who else
Munchkin?
balmy wolf
That's wekeed, no?
raw ermine
Gesture, Michelle, Profit, Fits, Creative, tobi, and a few more
trail lodge
The players you listed
raw ermine
ok
balmy wolf
Lmao zunba
raw ermine
I said fits
balmy wolf
Hasnt been officially resigned has he
raw ermine
ok
balmy wolf
ryujehong gonna be their new backup main tank 
raw ermine
I forgot marv3l and Illicit
balmy wolf
I wouldn't call seoul a super team tho
Theres only 2 teams who can be call a super team
Shock and Atl
hot heart
True
trim shadow
And toronto
hot heart
HC?
raw ermine
Head coach
The tank line is solid
Dps super good
and supports solid
They will grow to be a really good team
balmy wolf
i wouldn't call a toronto a super team
pearl stratus
Toronto is basically team Canada dps with Kariv.
So nothing about that at all says super team.
I also wouldn't call Atlanta a super team. With all the current changes and signings the only team I would call a super team is SFS.
Most every other team is entirely new rosters, so they go under 'Unknown Team'
balmy wolf
I call them one if the synergy is actually there
but it does have potential to become one
out of all the rosters
pearl stratus
Potential is not a statistical variable. If so Seoul would have a much better record.
balmy wolf
Roster does look nice tho
But really hard to call if their gonna maintain top 10
or not
pearl stratus
Yeah but thats also not a variable realistically. Look at LAG's roster. It's always looked nice.
But it contributed to one playoff game win in two years.
pearl stratus
So right now most everyones conceptual power rankings should be something like:
- SFS
2-20: ???????????????????????
balmy wolf
I would put NY top 5
trim shadow
Endo i cant believe u looked at gator gawk pokpo frd Babybay edison sharp erster dogman and Masaa and put them in the unknown tier
balmy wolf
NY's new HC looks pretty good
pearl stratus
Here's what I know so far about Gator on the team (since they were mostly integrated)
Went into playoffs with them.
Got a surprise C9 win agasinst SFS.
Got fucked so hard couldn't walk straight for a week after that.
So thats what I'm going on.
trim shadow
I trust gator will adapt smoothly into a full owl roll
pearl stratus
Went to Korea for six months.
STory changed
The one thing OWL has taught me to the fullest is that all the stuff you were known for doesn't really mean shit when it comes down to it.
It's how good are you today.
You can look at Atlanta and make a reasonable assumption they'll do well.
trim shadow
The difference is Fusion uni were farming Na contenders lets be real na contenders is about as strong as open division and the only good teams were atl academy la legion at points and then fusion uni
pearl stratus
But you don't know at all.
trim shadow
Who?
balmy wolf
Team Envy
pearl stratus
Lunatic Hai, too.
trim shadow
Envy gets carried by there tankine CONSINTETLY
pearl stratus
I'm more just saying that coming into the league with a thought of how you'd do based on past performance is rare.
balmy wolf
And they won contenders with it
trim shadow
Hastro and envy go and buy the best eu tank they can get and let them go ham
pearl stratus
Vancouver was the exception, not the rule.
pearl stratus
Yeah but look at the Striker/Decay effect.
Sinatraa / Decay, not striker.
Sorry. Tired.
trim shadow
Honestly as far as i know most owl teams had no goats experience or at least 8 hour scrim blocks of goats
pearl stratus
Sinatraa is worth more than his contract now, but coming into the league? That was rough for him in S1.
And Decay was hyped as the DPS god of all time.
Turns out it was Corey the whole time.
balmy wolf
Well I mean only starting in the final games of Stage 2 S1
And losing both 2-4
I didnt expect corey to be regarded as one of NA best dps
2-3
Tbh I did
trim shadow
I remember vividly when everyone shit in chengdus mouth for there inagural season
pearl stratus
I knew Corey was good, but good in Contenders doesn't always translate to OWL.
trim shadow
And then chengdu went ape shit
balmy wolf
corey had the potential and he siezed it
trim shadow
People were calling chengdu the new shanghai
pearl stratus
Counter point -
pearl stratus
Chengdu SHOULD have been 20th.
balmy wolf
No
pearl stratus
But it turned out 80% of hte league couldn't even fuck a goat, let alone play it.
trim shadow
They consistend of what 4 retired players?
balmy wolf
what bout mayhem
pearl stratus
I'm more just saying Chengdu's success had more to do with a good coach and other teams being VERY bad.
trim shadow
Rui is arguably the best cn coach
balmy wolf
Well hunters did have like 4 players of the orginial MY squad
trim shadow
And its sad but good to see him focus on himself
trim shadow
Im sure rui wouldve came up with some@shit in the new meta
pearl stratus
For inheriting a bilingual team and working with them for one stage RUI did fine with Shanghai.
And you look more towards OWWC to see his coaching style.
pearl stratus
When little china deep dicked Canada so hard they shit maple syrup on stage.
balmy wolf
not even crusty can make s1 dragons even half decent
China are 1-7 in world cup finals lul
pearl stratus
That's like me saying Canada is 0-8 in Finals.
balmy wolf
Yea but no offence they faced easier opponents to get their imo
pearl stratus
France is 0-8.
pearl stratus
I mean yeah, they had to play Canada which has been a free win for years.
But that's not their fault.
pearl stratus
So they went 0-8 in the finals last year.
balmy wolf
How??
pearl stratus
They lost so badly I'm counting it twice.
balmy wolf
They didnt get to finals last year...
pearl stratus
You cannot watch China v. Canada from 2018 and not just laugh that team off the planet.
pearl stratus
China fucked them so hard they just used China's strategy.
pearl stratus
I mean good on them to learn the style that dicked them down that hard.
balmy wolf
If u count it twice it would be 0-6 not 0-8
pearl stratus
Oh fair.
I still remember the angry tweets from Canada about Leave and stuff, it was just an amazing storyline for China.
pearl stratus
I still have "fuck leave" saved.
balmy wolf
I fucking hate Jayne tbh
I mean tbf leave was actually just dunking on canada the whole time
pearl stratus
He was...
balmy wolf
The way he handles situations
pearl stratus
leave-ing the impression of his balls on the team Canada players
balmy wolf
For example -- Chipsa with PF
balmy wolf
Remember when YXL was touted as china's best HS dps
that didnt turn out well
Dhak - the shit mercy from SFS Seaskn 1?
Dhak was actually a great lucio
pearl stratus
Yeah, garbage player but his actual commentary is hilarious.
He gets so hyped about stuff.
balmy wolf
Hence why I said shit mercy
pearl stratus
Which makes it entertaining
balmy wolf
im gonna look it up
pearl stratus
The best is uh.. Hanamura towers I think.
Where the two CN supports ult each other.
And live through everything
He goes nuts.
pearl stratus
He might have pulled the video down, which if he did is a big rip
balmy wolf
best backup main tank
short sparrow
xD
pearl stratus
Expected imo.
Miro always showed how he played, it was something he liked.
So you knew how Miro played, always.
easy to exploit that.
short sparrow
Sad
balmy wolf
Didnt help he basically made winston a thing
So everyone looked at him to see how to play winston effectively
pearl stratus
Yeah Dhak doesn't have his video anymore, rip.
The spanish accent with hype was so good.
balmy wolf
I remember watching the avast stream during hunters vs titans
my god the memes that were created that day are legendary
pearl stratus
Here's a good one though:
Just like the first 2 minutes
Skip to a minute in.
Yeah 1:00 to 1:59 is why I liked histening tohim
pearl stratus
It's like 90% accent though for me
He also corrects himself when he's wrong.
Like on the next map when he makes fun of Yveltal for notbeating, then goes back and relooks at it
raw ermine
This offseason is nuts
trim shadow
im pretty sure its gonna get crazier cause theres technically still alot of jobs up for grab
limber pine
analog lark
oh god not Kris
sullen berry
Ah yes
K r i s
If I were at my desk I'd throw up the twitch highlight of him and the epic sound barrier
gentle shuttle
is tviq even in owl
raw ermine
no
gentle shuttle
3 or 4 years ago, the thought of that would've been wild.
raw ermine
he left Florida and hasn't returned
hidden vault
And we thought mayhem isn't going budget anymore
They still are
Also the only place bumper can go is back to runaway
trim shadow
Apperantly kris is there shot caller so
sage maple
Bumper’s still in the Titans, no?
mint flower
It's tviq even playing ow anymore
trim shadow
@sage maple no
mint flower
He got let go today @sage maple
sage maple
Oh okay, I saw the tweet and I thought they were doing a meme like the Shock did with Super
raw ermine
Only if...
sage maple
If only?
celest spear
Fissure just got fined 3k for leaking 2-2-2
hidden vault
That late?
blissful heron
damn
celest spear
I mean, he just joined the league again yesterday. They couldn't do anything to him prior since he was no longer affiliated with OWL.
tropic herald
He also said he wasn’t gonna be a diva
celest spear
Twitter
slender lance
Do you think he'll get picked up
trim shadow
you have to honestly..,mistakes is kind of a hidden gem
ever since s1 boston dropped him
trim shadow
alot of teams are stacking up on dps for some weird reason
think boston is the only team without 4 dps
balmy wolf
dps by far is the most diverse role in terms of heroes
Just having 2 dps is not enough to effectively to cover the majority of the dps pool without having some weak spots
also its easier to see which players suits a meta better
The most valueable types of players rn are MT and flex dps
trim shadow
i understand the prospect of having 4 dps
but then theres bloody 5 dps
its like everyones doing a follow the leader by trying to mimick san fransicos roster set up
balmy wolf
having 5 dps usually indicates someone is getting dropped one way or another
trim shadow
a leak said houston is keeping there 5
and philly has 4 and 1 underaged who will become of age in march
and eqo went into fa and came back signing with philly
and ivy was a contract trade? maybe
balmy wolf
idk why teams choose 5, when 4 is more than enough
probs for hoarding reasons
to make profit
kind of like how shock both sold babybay and sleepy
silk summit
yo anyone talking about chipsa in fusion anymore
balmy wolf
Of course, theres no point of babybay on a roster like shock
thats why he got sold
titans have 3 dps rn
trim shadow
uk vancouver is gonna sign someone to fill hooregs gap
hidden vault
Nahh
It would likely be a projectile
Seominsoo and stich definately covers all hitscan
balmy wolf
idk what jehong brings to titans that Twilight wasnt already good at
jagged crater
he's brings the sexy
hidden vault
Except I'm sure playing jehong wouldn't be game throwing
short sparrow
Well, having backups doesn't hurt... Maybe Jehong's Moira is better.
balmy wolf
The name will boost jersey sales.
jagged crater
Name a reason why mayhem is your favorite team
lost glade
what do y'all think about chipsa joining OWL
lost glade
i think chipsa will carry and dominate
jagged crater
Why
lost glade
at sitting at the bench
short sparrow
That will be decided when Philly plays Houston
pearl stratus
On the RHJ thing - I think he'll split time since he's played with Fissure before.
Twilight + slime are a great duo, but more so on keeping dumbshit bumper alive.
They weren't -as- strong at keeping Tizi alive in the 2-2-2.
Also on an individual level Twilight + Slime are not individually super star level. Sometimes you may want the individually stronger Ana, for instance, etc, etc.
mint flower
balmy wolf
who does everyone think the best lucio is in the league right now?
mint flower
Moth or idk
idle beacon
moth and the one from glads
i dont really understand that tweet
void was playing offtank with fissure?
and shd might consider taking bumber? Oo
wtf
tropic herald
Moth is the best Lucio and MS imo
Shanghai might sign Bumper
Then again Shanghai already has a MT
balmy wolf
Moth, Slime,
hidden vault
Sfs hadn't annouced any potential back ups for their tank and support line
Interesting?
Also no one knows where qoq was signed yet?
tropic herald
Rumors of qoq to Justice
pearl stratus
I don't forsee the value in Bumper, myself. He plays a good but overaggressive Rein, a godawful Hammond and Orisa, and a lackluster Winston. With current options available he's one of the least value tanks (and is rumored to be really cheap as well, to account for that).
If you were to pick up another tank there's much better other options - personally I'd get Tizi.
trim shadow
but uk he has the personality
so someone is gonna pick him up
and just stick him at the backup role
and try to coach him into a real MT
not saying that paijon isnt a good coach but
paijon didnt really bring out the full potential of vancouver
tropic herald
He has potential but he should probably grind out some contenders
trim shadow
i feel if bumper falls into contenders he may never reach owl again
unless he goes back to runaway where runner is
tropic herald
As soon as Vancouver let him go he wasn’t going to be in OWL
Unless some team signs him for clout
trim shadow
thats the thing though...anything could happen
the chipsa signing opened up the realm of possibility
tropic herald
Philly could sign him tbh
trim shadow
bumper has potential 100%..he just needs someone solid like crusty
raw ermine
Fissure plays similar to bumper so there ability to keep him up might apply here also.
hidden vault
Hence fissue to Vancouver yeah?
trim shadow
fissure is just..a better bumper so yea...
a seasoned bumper if u want to put it that way
hidden vault
But personally we don't know that yet
We all thought tizi would work out
But it didn't
feral wing
philly could sign bumper but then theres the issue of the language barrier
raw ermine
Bumper to Shanghai wow sounds crazy
feral wing
and also snillo might still be two-way idk
if he is then the roster is full
if not then there is one spot open
i honestly dont understand why snillo is still on there
pearl stratus
I don't think the language barrier would be the biggest problem.
It's mostly on Funny Astro.
Since I still think they'll run predominantly Korean.
feral wing
eqo will obviously start over ivy i dont understand why you think otherwise
eqo is simply a lot more talented
pearl stratus
Because cohesion is more important than that.
feral wing
so unless carpe is playing some magicians game
pearl stratus
Unless you want to fail even more.
feral wing
??
pearl stratus
I would argue a team having cohesion (Which Philly arguably has never had a good value of) is more important than a small upgrade on flex dps.
feral wing
Sado, Fury Poko
EQO, Carpe, Ivy, Heesu, Chipsa, Snillo
Alarm, Boombox, Funnyastro
pearl stratus
Which is why I would most likely start Ivy over EQO for a while until the language skills are picked up.
feral wing
that looks like a 12 man roster to me
pearl stratus
People forget Heesu already.
tropic herald
Man I cannot count
pearl stratus
Because he's underage.
feral wing
his birthday is in march so it wont be that long into the season
pearl stratus
Also Ivy is VASTLY better than Season 1 showed. That was a product of him being on a mixed team.
feral wing
eqo is still a lot better
pearl stratus
Not arguing that, I will definitely say Eqo is better.
But the gap is not as huge as you'd ignore a language barrier potentially.
Individual players don't mean shit, long term.
feral wing
I think they will run the tankline of Sado and Fury most of the time
but poko will get some time too
pearl stratus
I would say all the time, minus game 4's and dumpster games.
I don't think we'll ever, realistically, see Boombox again unless Alarm is sick
feral wing
Dps line of Eqo and Carpe most of the time, Chipsa as a doomfist specialist and potentially Heesu some times but they love carpe so probably not
and a support line of alarm and funnyastro
pearl stratus
You'll run Heesu in the very unlikely scenario where you want double hitscan.
feral wing
boombox is just an F
balmy wolf
half joke
pearl stratus
But I also think having Heesu clipboard carrying for Carpe is not a bad developmental move.
feral wing
they probably would
pearl stratus
The org has shown he's the player they put all their investment into.
The timing on the EQO resigning intrigues me as well.
Because it could be nothing, but it could also be that they missed out on a DPS they wanted more.
And defaulted back to him
feral wing
I mean why wouldnt philly be english speaking is my question
pearl stratus
Because that doesn't matter.
feral wing
you were just talking about a language barrier
pearl stratus
Oh, I thought you meant as a team identity.
Like when people cry that London is Korean players etc.
The current new pick ups aren't players (minus alarm) that have really worked on mixed rosters before. Which I think is something you would have taken into some consideration.
That's my thought process at least.
feral wing
Sado worked well in season 1
pearl stratus
Also Carpe was very strongly looking into moving to a full Korean roster for his own comfort.
I think Philly honestly offered him a 3 year contract with obscene money.
But again all conjecture.
feral wing
I just personally think they will go the english speaking route and have 4-2 and some times 3-3 but I could be wrong of course
pearl stratus
I don't think they have strong enough coaching to pull it off, too.
There's not a lot of Crusty coaches.
And even that took two years to come together.
pearl stratus
Shock Season 1 vs. Season 2.
feral wing
the roster was put together at the end of season 1 and in the off season leading up to season 2
pearl stratus
His interviews basically said decisions he made from Stage 3/4 were designed for the 2019 season.
feral wing
thats not 2 years though
you could say it took 1 year but even thats a stretch
more like a single off season and the beginning of one owl stage
pearl stratus
I'm counting some pre-crusty timeline I suppose, since he still utilized their original mixed roster
feral wing
in that case 1 year max
and sado and carpe have already played on an english speaking roster for ages
alarm worked on a mixed roster
the only potential problem player in a mixed english speaking roster is fury
and you have poko
pearl stratus
I mean we'll obviously see when the season starts, I'm just expecting a 5-1 or 4-2 for a while.
hidden vault
Still expecting philly to sigh a korean ms for alarm lol
Coma?
Who else is available?
balmy wolf
@hidden vault they cant; they have 12 players
pearl stratus
I mean they can, contracts aren't stone.
You just buy it out and throw the person away.
We've seen it from other teams.
Shanghai will probably be doing it to Envy this week.
balmy wolf
cause money
trim shadow
if u look at cloud 9 lol
they just got fined what 150k for contract breaks and then up to 660k for another fine
so cloud 9 mightve gotten sunked a little bit
winter pendant
it just makes me sad-
winter pendant
i uh kinda cried over this
like it just makes me sad
now i gotta go support him in another team >:0
im still getting the london spitfire profit jersey
karmic grotto
elo guardians
short sparrow
Guys, we are all counting Snillo as 12th player, but we have no clue what his contract looks like right now
Maybe they just have 11 and perm demoted him or something
tropic herald
I don’t understand why they would need that many dps players
Unless they pull a SFs
pearl stratus
It'd be an attempt but only Eqo has the real versatility to pull the SFS.
karmic grotto
to pull the what?
trim shadow
Philly is not the only team going for the sfs method
Hell most of the leauge is
Boston houston kinda toronto florida and shanghai
short sparrow
That's great
We get to watch more players
And it makes sense, with all the travelling. They can leave some players behind to rest
hot mirage
I mean shock only had 4 dps and barely used 2 of them up until the finals
trim shadow
I expected teams to be closer to 11-12 rosters
But theres not alot of balance on teams
Some teams only have 1 tank and 1 ot
Some have 3 mts and 3 ots
That was exaggeration
trail lodge
Honestly
Idek if Bumper will be in OWL this time next year
like
hes a feeder
You can't support him as much anymore because of the fact 2-2-2 is forced
analog lark
Bumper is a tactical feeder
upper niche
Everyone talking about Bumper as though people can't change the way they play. It's almost as though you'd think these guys don't practice or train.
trail lodge
🦀 Bumpers fortify is on cooldown 🦀
trim shadow
Thats at least one thing he has
trail lodge
but he'll be benched
trail lodge
and hes toxic twat off game anyway