Because all it looks like is Philly is throwing yet another year.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
balmy wolf
yeah if he does bad i agree this is all going to go to shit so so fast
pearl stratus
Rather than pick up a back up or replacement for Sado they picked a doomfist one trick.
No one can defend that.
feral wing
Philly:
has one of the best rosters going into season 2
picks up chipsa as well
''omg they are gonna throw''
^^
gentle shuttle
and he's admitted that himself so
trim shadow
his main hero is doom and you dont see him flexing to other dps all that much
its only natural to say hes a one trick
pearl stratus
It's a huge insult to EU as well.
karmic grotto
Let's not forget many players in owl season 1 were one tricks
feral wing
he wont get better than EQO
pearl stratus
Because there's a lot of vastly better, coached and promising EU dps.
If that was the route you wanted to go.
karmic grotto
Sure but he can be like jjonak
gentle shuttle
also people behaving as if chipsa getting in means that the door is perma-closed for all the other players is jokes
feral wing
^^
pearl stratus
I mean the other players have a right to shit all over Chipsa and down his throat.
feral wing
so far everyones just being very disrespectful to chipsa
karmic grotto
they have
pearl stratus
If i was say Asking?
trim shadow
Eu Has not gotten touched
the only people who left eu contenders this year
were brussen and fucking slur
vizility got no offers...tek36..no offers..AT no offers..NO ONE
pearl stratus
I give shit for the pick up because there's no logical reason at all for it.
gentle shuttle
lol taimou donating all throughout
karmic grotto
not every team goes to owl to win the league
trim shadow
eu is fucking dead
pearl stratus
And there were vastly better options.
karmic grotto
they can go for profit of sales
pearl stratus
So I consider it a very bad pick from every aspect of it.
trim shadow
and someone pointed out gunba a coach who never won a contenders game is now coaching the valiant
pearl stratus
Also why the fuck would you not have done something with your main tank position.
trim shadow
philly picking up chipsa is the equivalent of the new york giants drafting daniel jones in the 1st round
pearl stratus
And currently Snillo is still 2 way, so they're at 12. So it'll be roster releases at this point forward.
trim shadow
id imagine this is the phildaelphia fusion
heesu and chipsa
that tells me theyre once again putting everything into sado
feral wing
honestly
trim shadow
theyre believing in carpe sado
pearl stratus
Because thats all you have for options.
feral wing
??
pearl stratus
You're not dropping Ivy, because he has something none of the other dps have.
He's Korean.
So he's not going anywhere.
feral wing
how are philly keeping their og roster?
trim shadow
sado carpe eqo poko boombox
feral wing
neptuno is gone, alarm will definitely play over boombox most of the time
thats a new support line
pearl stratus
I think he's badly trying to infer they're keeping a base problem rather than try and fix it.
trim shadow
theyre basically building on top of a broken foundation
feral wing
poko is really good, but not fury level
trim shadow
that fucking cracked last year
limber pine
Pretty sure Snillo is not under contract
trim shadow
carpe was borderline FEEDING most of the year
limber pine
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trim shadow
eqo and poko were the only standouts
feral wing
boombox
trim shadow
didnt standout either
pearl stratus
Boombox is never a huge stand out, but he is always consistent. Which is arguably better (imo)
feral wing
eqo, poko and boombox always performed well
pearl stratus
Minus the week or two when he was sick in S1 he's consistent.
trim shadow
and if u look at phillys division
feral wing
sado was an issue but he got way too much of the blame honestly
pearl stratus
I don't see a situation where you would want Sado alone, either way.
trim shadow
all 4 teams have decent tank lines
pearl stratus
And setting up with 6 dps (currently) does that.
trim shadow
and ur still banking on sado to resurge
feral wing
how is that the toughest division?
pearl stratus
Now that doesn't mean in the next few weeks they don't officially drop Snillo and get another Mt.
trim shadow
the fuck you mean how is it the toughest division?
feral wing
florida have been dogshit 2 seasons in a row and i dont trust their org until they actually perform no matter what players they have
washington were good in stage 4
dogshit 1-3
so makes me worried about them and meta changes
trim shadow
- atlanta gator hawk erster edison dogman masaa
- houston muma Meko danteh blase Rapel boink
- washington ellivote lullsih corey stratus ark and a ms
- florida fate gargoyle yaki sayaplayer gangnamjin kris
feral wing
houston are a wild card going into next season
trim shadow
you cant look at this
karmic grotto
ATL gonna spawncamp them
feral wing
either they flop or they get really good
trim shadow
and tell me this isnt a stacked division
pearl stratus
Atlantic Division is one of the weakest current divisions until we see how new rosters play out imo.
feral wing
atlanta is probably the strongest out of the bunch
pearl stratus
It's all hypothetical rosters.
feral wing
but in my eyes philly will be better than the other 3 unless they somehow manage to waste away the amazing talent they have
but honestly
this entire next season
is impossible to predict
trim shadow
philly is gonna purely depend on carpe and alarm to drag there corpse throughout the division
feral wing
almost every team is looking brand new
trim shadow
relativetly all rosters have some brand newance to it
feral wing
when you forget that fury, eqo and funnyastro exist pogu
pearl stratus
Philly is left on their coaches. Because their main problems through both seasons so far have been an overt reliance on pop off and a lack of general consistency.
trim shadow
Funyastro is almost unstable as chipsa you dont know if funnyastro will pop off
pearl stratus
If their new coaching staff is good? They'll be fine.
If its mediocre, they'll do mediocre.
feral wing
that goes for almost every team though
trim shadow
and fury will be the equivalent of space
going absolutely ape shit but his team is dead
pearl stratus
I personally wasn't impressed at all by KDG.
But at least he has worked with mixed rosters before.
Granted they weren't ever really great mixed rosters.
But the fact he's done it matters the most.
trim shadow
this season will not only make it or break owl
but its just gonna be a mess when the teams paly
cause theres so many variables
outliers
minor flame
What is the fusion roster again?
trim shadow
and all that shit
minor flame
Eqo carpe chipsa heesu
feral wing
Sado, Fury, Poko
EQO, Carpe, Ivy, Chipsa, Heesu
Funnyastro, Alarm, Boombox
trim shadow
sado poko fury eqo carpe chipsa heesu alarm funnyastro boombox
minor flame
Hmmm
pearl stratus
With Snillo currently on 2way.
trim shadow
the trend is most teams as of right now have more then 3 dps signed
minor flame
Ivy and ChipSa are very iffy to me
pearl stratus
Ivy's not.
Ivy just doesn't do well on mixed rosters.
This roster won't be very mixed
I'm expecting a SFS set up:
Sado, Fury, Carpe, Ivy, Funny, Alarm.
feral wing
Ivy over EQO?
pearl stratus
That would be my general expectation of the 'standard roster'
jagged crater
might be going full korean cept funny
pearl stratus
But the only Korean EQO can do is pulling his eyelids 😛
minor flame
Honestly
pearl stratus
And Carpe has shown insane bias towards playing with Koreans.
trim shadow
eqo is fucked
minor flame
Atlanta and Houston look like the winners of this div
pearl stratus
So I'm leaning towards the team going with what Carpe wants.
jagged crater
why houston
minor flame
Atlanta might be top top
trim shadow
i have no clue why eqo came back
jagged crater
atlanta looks strong
pearl stratus
Since that seems to be par for the course.
minor flame
Cause they have really good talent
jagged crater
houston doesnt quite yet
feral wing
what the fuck
minor flame
But Atl looks even better
feral wing
I dont understand
jagged crater
atlanta look like top 3 in the league
trim shadow
the top 3 pre season for me as of today is san fransicso atlanta toronto...everyone else is a mid tier team fighting for scraps...even vancouver and new york
pearl stratus
Because nothing that really changed is anything that people felt needed to be changed to make the biggest differences.
Minus coaching.
jagged crater
goats meta did not do philly any favors in season 2, gave them a bad impression
maybe they'll pull similar results as their season 1
jagged crater
philly season 1 was really fuckin good
pearl stratus
Based on your own words the only two new signings that matter are Alarm and Fury.
feral wing
SADO had issues
jagged crater
and if this meta is more dps focused, i could see it happening
minor flame
Philly overall is mediocre in Season 2
pearl stratus
And while fury is definitely an increase over Poko
minor flame
They dont mesh well
feral wing
but holy shit he got way too much of the blame
pearl stratus
Poko wasn't an issue
feral wing
Endoken
jagged crater
we'll see how the korean chemistry will work
feral wing
you cant just put words into my mouth dude lol
pearl stratus
You literally just said Ivy wouldn't play over EQO, and Boombox and Poko were highly consistent.
jagged crater
just support and stay silent
pearl stratus
I didn't.
minor flame
Doesnt matter about Sado, the whole philly is miscommunciative
They ended up trash
Not much seems to be changing it all depends on coaching
feral wing
You did though, and thats a very cheap tactic to use in an argument
trim shadow
no one was only blaming fucking sado...i was blaming everyone coaches on down
feral wing
well thats you
pearl stratus
So you don't think EQO will start anymore, and you don't agree that Boombox and Poko weren't problems?
trim shadow
its like watching a rank game when philly was playing
feral wing
Endoken
pearl stratus
Because I'm struggling to see how you're mad at your own opinion.
feral wing
you are acting like the only options I have for opinions are: Fury and Alarm are the only signings that matter or eqo wont start and boombox and poko were problems
seriously
pearl stratus
No, I'm acting like the improvements they made aren't in the places they were most needed.
So all the changes in the world don't mean shit.
You've gone from low pulp to pulp when you needed to buy apple juice.
minor flame
The most needed improvement needed is getting rid of fucking carpe please
trim shadow
philly is sticking to the mindset good dps wins games but theyre not solidifying there holes like if sado gets lagged from all the travel or fi sado booms whos gonna keep sado up?
because thats also another thing
pearl stratus
The only improvements that Philly really made, in my book, is in coaching and we need to see how that works out.
trim shadow
no one philly besides poko is outspoken
pearl stratus
None of the roster changes they made change how I view the power of the roster.
feral wing
Sure that may be your opinion but dont try to strawman my arguments and make me stand for things i dont actually stand for
thanks
minor flame
Speaking of Chengdu
jagged crater
did they do anythin
feral wing
I havent heard much of chengdu so far
pearl stratus
They'll be signing Coldest, but they lost RUI.
feral wing
have they made many changes?
jagged crater
are they still meme team?
pearl stratus
Which is a huge loss.
Since RUI is arguably the hardest working coach in the league.
minor flame
Losing RUI is one of the worst things they couldve had
balmy wolf
realistically tho with the chipsa situation i think if chipsa was really such a bad fit for the team, he wouldn’t have been signed. i doubt his signing was the decision of his brother alone y’know
pearl stratus
I'm glad RUI is gone for his own health reasons, sadly.
jagged crater
chengdu went from pretty much complete unknown to one of the fav teams to watch in the league, i love it
now might not be the same 😦
jagged crater
with no RUI, no more crazy fuk da meta strats?
karmic grotto
yottachad ball energy
minor flame
Chengdu was a wild card
feral wing
but then they just got rolled most of the time afterwards
pearl stratus
Fuck the meta straights are China in general.
minor flame
They could simultaneously play against top tier and drop to low tier
pearl stratus
But RUI was just honestly the most talented coach available.
minor flame
They were also definitely unconventional
trim shadow
feral wing
meh I never found them any interesting myself
minor flame
China mustve gotten fucked with 222
trim shadow
i really am concerned for chengdu not that rui is no longer coaching
minor flame
But hey maybe theyre still playing some
Weird ass comps
Team China showed some unconvention
feral wing
funny how Jayne is saying Chipsa skipped path to pro etc
but he literally did it himself too
trim shadow
hold up wasnt there someone xqc was flaming for trying to join philly instead doing the path to pro
feral wing
didnt he coach like 2 dogshit australian teams and then got to Overwatch League because of his twitch?
sounds very fair to all the more deserving coaches
karmic grotto
^^^
jagged crater
please tell me chipsa and jayne duke it out live
trim shadow
how the fuck do coaches even get picked up for owl
do they just watch them coach or some shit
feral wing
their team performs well in contenders and other tournaments
or they get players to transition
jagged crater
kephrii actually has done more than chipsa in the past year ngl
jagged crater
kephrii actually travelled to korea
jagged crater
omg
jagged crater
wouldnt be chipsa if he didnt
short sparrow
Guys, isn't it interesting Titans announced Fissure today? 🤔
short sparrow
Ikr?
trim shadow
vancouver did a 5 head move by sliding there announcement under chipsa's announcement
short sparrow
So they don't get called out for basically having 2 over-aggressive reins
Big Brain
feral wing
fissure > bumper though
jagged crater
boompar
short sparrow
Literally no one payed attention
jagged crater
did bumper get announced yet?
feral wing
chipsa is trying to set a world record for quickest ban in OWL
short sparrow
With Fissure joining, it would seem likely
trim shadow
but then again jayne is technically not apart of owl
so chipsa can fire back wthout consequence
trim shadow
chipsa is suprisingly taking this flak well
feral wing
jayne is no longer a part of the dallas coaching staff?
pearl stratus
No, he's content.
feral wing
when did that happen?
trim shadow
for envy to to be specific
pearl stratus
Month ago, give or take.
short sparrow
Wait, really?
feral wing
Dallas might finally get good coaches PogU
short sparrow
Sorry, ain't watching the stream
trim shadow
nothing can save dallas
trim shadow
dallas and philly are on the same boat
short sparrow
They got what. 3 now?
pearl stratus
I'd pick up someone like BluHAS if I was them, provided your players will listen to a Korean coach.
feral wing
on the same boat
short sparrow
Aero, tikatee and daemon?
trim shadow
if anything dallas is in a...far..far mor terrible state then philly
short sparrow
Well
trim shadow
but the thing is dallas made the signings and tried to address there weaknesses
short sparrow
Gamsu coach 5head
pearl stratus
Houston did the best coach pick ups of the off season so far.
trim shadow
was adress there supports
pearl stratus
Which is a weird sentence to say.
feral wing
yeah
pearl stratus
They did a smart thing first though
And sent all of paris to bootcamp in Korea
So they get some immersion language training
pearl stratus
You also just scrim a better quality of player.
Can't sit in EU and scrim EU teams.
That'll get you nowhere.
short sparrow
Just wonder if that mixed roster is gonna work 🤔
trim shadow
honestly
pearl stratus
They chose success over regionality. It's a polarizing decision either way.
Well potential success.
feral wing
they couldve had both but sure
trim shadow
sparkle could gone to hangzhou seoul
pearl stratus
Can't say its successful yet.
feral wing
shadowburn 
pearl stratus
Benbest needed a replacement.
I like him, he's a good face of the team (literally, since he's a pretty boy)
But a good tank he is not.
feral wing
fusions is literally a minecraft character
lol
or at least in the photo
like the official league one
short sparrow
I wonder if they'll improve their backline
pearl stratus
I don't think their back line was overall an issue, it was a huge disconnect in the front and mid as no one was comfortable playing... anything in Goats.
short sparrow
As long as Greyy plays, I'm happy
pearl stratus
Kruise tilts a bit, but its more a passion tilt.
feral wing
lol the epic mice throw
pearl stratus
They (Fusions is the same way) both come back to center pretty quickly.
Not as bad as like... watching Carpe chase Diem all around the map on Widow and ditching his team on El Dorado. One of the few times I ever saw Carpe full tilt.
Or watching OGE just be so burnt out.
feral wing
dafran on oasis that one time
jagged crater
lord president of esports
pearl stratus
There was one on Havana too, with a hard swap to Mccree to kill the Pharah spawn camping them at the door. Dropped like 70% of ult to do it.
short sparrow
Pretty random throwback
pearl stratus
Then swapped back.
short sparrow
That was Logix right?
pearl stratus
Yeah it was Logi
*Logix
They moved the cart like.. 5 feet total the entire map
Against Washington.
short sparrow
Lol
trim shadow
profit cant believe it
feral wing
wait
leaf hasnt been picked up?
not fischer either?
oh
ok eu is getting fucking scammed
balmy wolf
Yea kind of a disgrace towards actual t2 players
karmic grotto
You know those players you have but never played a single map until the end?
balmy wolf
Neither of us know if hes acutally gonna get played.
karmic grotto
Pine, literally didn't play a single map for nyxl
Mickie? Non existent
Taimou?
Non existent
You have those players bench warming
And people complain about chipsa
balmy wolf
And it's justified
karmic grotto
Hypocrisy
They're big influence for teams and for OWL
So I understand why they're signed
So they don't have to come act like ChipSa signing is worse and hell
balmy wolf
You mean a streamer who constantly complains and whines about the game?
karmic grotto
He does they for stream and audience
Gotta have something people engage
Same as xQc personality
Yet he was in OWL
But in OWL, he was different
And professional
balmy wolf
Xqc actually was a pro before owl
karmic grotto
Of course he was
balmy wolf
Actually had experience
karmic grotto
Experience can be build btw
Nevertheless, streamer =/= owl
Not same thing though
balmy wolf
Real shame for people who have immense t2 play like leaf
karmic grotto
As ChipSa said, it's not his fault he was offered a chance. An organization isn't obligated to choose the best players
They can have different purposes with their franchise
Some come to win the game
Others to make money
balmy wolf
Yet he accepted the offer in the end
balmy wolf
It his choice to enter
balmy wolf
Yes because its very unlikely someone would give him one besides fusion
karmic grotto
If they wanted a well known person, for publicity
Why not
I would have done the same
balmy wolf
Every streamer who went pro were legitimately good playera at 1 point and had previous pro experience
Chipsa hasnt
balmy wolf
Doesn't mean he can't play
Its a question as to why he is on the team
By all means yiu can argue his position on the team
karmic grotto
For streamer publicity
tropic herald
Wait
balmy wolf
Thats a very moot point in OWL
tropic herald
Is the fusion thing real
balmy wolf
for all we know chipsa is doing well and the coaches believe in him, nothing we can do about that
mentioning chipsa’s baby rage doesn’t make sense btw, it doesn’t really matter if he rages on stream, i saw jayne doing the same thing and calling him childish when that has nothing to do with why people are angry about this
im not mad at chispa
at mad at the management who made this decision
its pretty obvious what is happening here
and what exactly is happening
nepotism
karmic grotto
Nah
balmy wolf
you do know chipsa’s brother isn’t the only person on the team who decides if he is signed right?
karmic grotto
Read the tweet of the presidents
balmy wolf
like it’s not just up to one person
balmy wolf
You can easily say a white lie
tropic herald
Chipsa‘s rage is a stream thing
balmy wolf
if chipsa’s brother wanted him and the rest of the team didn’t think he was a good fit, i can promise you he wouldn’t not have been signed
it makes no sense
tropic herald
But I’m more concerned that he’s basically a doom one trick
karmic grotto
He isn't
balmy wolf
the only way this happened was if they all agreed he was the right pick
karmic grotto
That's the image you have of him
balmy wolf
Basically a doom 1 trick
tropic herald
He either plays doom or Gengi
balmy wolf
but realistically a projectile dps
karmic grotto
Playing your main hero doesn't make you a one trick
tropic herald
I’ve seen some hanzo and Pharah but that’s it
balmy wolf
Problem is he doesnt have t2 play at all
balmy wolf
im37
tropic herald
He’s going immediately into pro play without any previous play
karmic grotto
He will scrim
tropic herald
He might scrim
balmy wolf
Theres only 1 player who got picked in ladder who did well in OWL
karmic grotto
That's where he will get experience
balmy wolf
and thats jjonak
tropic herald
But we haven’t seen him play a single pro game
balmy wolf
ah i see so at first it was nepotism, then you changed your reason to hes a one trick, and then you changed your reasoning for a third time by saying he has no pro experience
karmic grotto
Exactly, give ChipSa a chance
Don't act like Jjonak deserved
Nobody knew who he was, only a player who had a few accounts in top 5, they saw potential
balmy wolf
no one was mad at jjonak, but once a streamer who gets angry and complains on stream gets signed, everyone loses their tits
karmic grotto
And there he is
balmy wolf
lul
tropic herald
I’m not mad I’m just skeptical bc I haven’t seen anything that proves he’s OWL ready, I’m prepared to eat my own words
balmy wolf
I mean theres no real good answer to signing chispa
When you could'sa signed leaf
or another EU dps
who says they couldve
for all we know chipsa is being payed the minimum amount
and they couldn’t give a good offer to the EU dps
plus chipsa is good for pr
and could be an org streamer later on
makes sense to me
tropic herald
He’s probably gonna be an .org streamer
balmy wolf
So you're telling me most likely chispa is going to be a jersey seller
balmy wolf
Thats a weak jersey seller compared to others
balmy wolf
most likely but who knows, he could actually play. this is all assumption
vale pond
He could have popped off in trials
karmic grotto
^
vale pond
And that combined with jerseys could be good
balmy wolf
exactly smol
ppl refuse to give him the benefit of the doubt and claim he’s automatically bad and not good for the org
tropic herald
Imagine playing a game against a dps line of Carpe and Chipsa
balmy wolf
when professional coaches feel he is a good fit
vale pond
fish and chips
balmy wolf
doesn’t make sense to me
vale pond
Fusion isnt going to be top tier this year
balmy wolf
I mean chispa is a big gamble
tropic herald
Obviously
vale pond
That was never the expectation
balmy wolf
when he has no pro experience
vale pond
But it would be interesting to see how it goes
karmic grotto
You can check on..
balmy wolf
found it
vale pond
NY boston atl justice
karmic grotto
I think sprite has command
vale pond
Who else
balmy wolf
south atl
vale pond
Lul
balmy wolf
they have 3 flex dps
vale pond
and still sado as their maintank
karmic grotto
Yes, he said that even if he was weakest, they have other wonderful players
tropic herald
The whole signing has me skeptical and confused
It does make them have basically a Korean and nonKorean roster however
balmy wolf
IMO philly probably didn’t have a lot of money left and signed a one year contract with chipsa for the minimum amount, they decided he would be good for pr or would end up a good org streamer. that’s the most likely thing, they probably weren’t even gonna pick up another player if it wasn’t for dirt cheap
that’s my assumption
Oh so they thought it would be a great idea to sign another dps while still only having 1 MT
yes
tropic herald
They have a lot of faith in Sado
balmy wolf
one that arguably hasnt done anything good since the start of last year
i’m not saying their logic is infallible but the coaches clearly aren’t stupid and doing things for no reason, they clearly believe in sado
tropic herald
Sado Fury Carpe has some synergy but there’s better MTs
minor flame
Fusiom desparately need a new MT
balmy wolf
Yea Im not gonna put my eggs on sado being a great MT
You dont even have a backup for him
because they sold fragi to charge
well it’s up to you whether or not to trust the coaches but that’s the decision they’ve gone with
tropic herald
I don’t at all lol
balmy wolf
doesn’t mean it’s nepotism
tropic herald
Thankful that I’m not a Philly fan
balmy wolf
is what i’m trying to say with this
tropic herald
Signing window closes soon right?
balmy wolf
people are acting like it’s all this fucked up thing where a t2 player would have definitely been signed instead of chipsa and he “stole” their rightful place in the team
Were not saying he stole the slot
Its just adding on to the fire that is path to pro
balmy wolf
how is chipsa being signed ruining the path to pro
supple prism
Makes it sound like if you follow this path you will get pro when there is only so many spots
balmy wolf
ok and
supple prism
So
tropic herald
Path to pro wasn’t a thing S1
minor flame
What
tropic herald
It’s been established now
balmy wolf
JJonak was already consider a prodigy by then
supple prism
You pick up who ever you want that will be the best fit
jagged crater
Path to poverty
balmy wolf
jjonak wasn’t played i think, if i’m wrong correct me
minor flame
Path to Pro is def a joke, there are so many promising players and they get overlooked for marketability
tropic herald
But most people spend quite a while in the “path” of being in OD and maybe T2 and very unlikely past that
supple prism
No shit, its a business first
balmy wolf
oh my bad odyssey, if chipsa was considered a prodigy then maybe it would make it all okay and no one would be mad
S1 of OWL is very different on how they chose players
minor flame
If ChipSa was better than other options and was actually really OWL level good yeah
balmy wolf
no one even knew if jjonak was good at the start of season 1
minor flame
Lol
balmy wolf
JJonak was farming ladder before OWL
that’s ladder
everyone is saying chipsa’s ladder doesn’t matter
but jjonak’s does
minor flame
Jjonak was on a pro team and was starting owl before path to pro existed but aight 🗿
balmy wolf
i’m not trying to be a douche, if i’m wrong and i seem like one pls correct me
tropic herald
I don’t think Chipsa will even get playtime
supple prism
Wasn't played where
balmy wolf
he got picked up for LW blue
on lw blue
i’m asking if it’s true that he wasn’t played
he wasnt
ok so he had no pro experience
since they moved the roster preparing for OWL
but nah he was on a pro team so aight
never played yet somehow proven
tropic herald
Ok so basically, path to pro wasn’t a thing when OWL first started its a thing now and ChipSa went around it
balmy wolf
I will admit jjonak had no agrubably experience before OWL
tropic herald
Idk if ChipSa will even get play
minor flame
ChipSa looks like he has decent mechanics but shit gamesense
tropic herald
ChipSa is a good player
balmy wolf
and i am NOT saying that jjonak should be getting shit, i’m saying that neither of them should be getting shit for this
supple prism
Then he will be there for sales
tropic herald
Bet he’s gonna play a game then switch to streamer
supple prism
I think you are all just overreacting to minor shit
tropic herald
The main annoyance is that the Path to Pro was seemingly thrown away once again
vale pond
the path to pro is such a stupid thing
if a player is better they get picked up
it happened with dafran to a lesser extent
trim shadow
blizzard is the main problem if we wanna bring up path to pro..cause owners or managers are allowed to sign who they want not who people want them to
balmy wolf
I mean looks the like game plan to get into OWL now, is just be super marketable and have a somewhat big stream.
i can understand ppl being made about path to pro, but then again you have people like jayne who no one was mad at when he got a job from streaming
and also jjonak
seems like double standards to me
jjonak got signed in a different time in OWL
tropic herald
path to pro wasn’t a thing for jjonak
balmy wolf
ah i see
jagged crater
Was path to pro thrown out when Toronto signed im37?
minor flame
People were fuckin mad at Jayne lmak
vale pond
people joked that he rushed it
balmy wolf
im37 was a special case
minor flame
Jayne was so shit and didnt deserve to coach dallas
vale pond
so is chipsa
minor flame
ChipSa is a marketability pickup and im37 is
.....
tropic herald
How?
minor flame
I dont know what im37 is
vale pond
it was a joke lol
minor flame
He got picked up and got dropped to like t2
tropic herald
Fusion Dps line: Carpe, Eqo, Ivy and ChipSa
balmy wolf
heesu
minor flame
Carpe Eqo Ivy Heesu Chipsa
balmy wolf
so 5
tropic herald
If they were going to pick anyone up they should’ve gotten a MT
minor flame
Snillo 2way
balmy wolf
A jersey seller at this day and age is not that big money since homestands are the tru money makers for orgs
tropic herald
Idk the RunAway and EM MTs are still on the market iirc
vale pond
a jersey seller isnt just jerseys
minor flame
Kaiser hasnt been picked up yet and thats just so bullshit
vale pond
even after he left it left a mark
vale pond
chipsa is also a big deal streamer
tropic herald
Kaiser while a good player is basically viewed as a Rein OTP whether or not he actually is
balmy wolf
Its been rumored QoQ got signed to justice
i can understand saying chipsa is less valuable than a new main tank, but people using claims of nepotism and ruining t2 players’ chances seem to have no idea what they are saying
How else are you gonna justified a signing like that?
vale pond
a lot of things
balmy wolf
There are very few reasons you sign chispa
vale pond
him playing well in trials
balmy wolf
it can be very profitable
vale pond
a huge fanbase opportunity
vale pond
having fans to come to your homestands is what matters
minor flame
ChipSa is just another example of path to pro being path to bruh
Nothing new
Still shitty
balmy wolf
The point of the homestand is the bring the local market
vale pond
bruh
jagged crater
Breh
balmy wolf
he sells jersey’s, he COULD actually be a decent player, and if it doesn’t work out he could end up an org streamer because fusion has 2 other flex dps. it sounds like an absolute win.
vale pond
they could pay minimum contract
balmy wolf
only problem i see is the fusion main tank
balmy wolf
exactly what i was thinking smol
if they pay him minimum they are getting a lot
and i actually think they are
so if it isn’t nepotism, it isn’t “ruining path to pro” and it is good for the org, what seems to be the issue
vale pond
chipsa can also afford to be paid minimum
vale pond
both he and fusion have a lot to gain financially
fusion especially
he is doing p well
jagged crater
How come emongg kabaji and hoonmaru got let go of fusion streaming so soon? Doesnt look like fusion want the streamer rep
balmy wolf
fusion probs got very little from it
^ that’s possible
The streamer for the org thing never really took off
also do we know if fusion let them go or did they leave themselves
We dont know
vale pond
dafran and fran do it for the reign
balmy wolf
then it’s possible their contracts just ran out and they didn’t want new ones
vale pond
but its not much more than just showing a logo on stream
balmy wolf
You market the team basically for events
well dafran made reign super popular
philly definitely wants the same
chispa is the outlier for streamers gone pro in OWL
and if they can do it for cheap?
even better
I rather not see fusion being such a inconsistent team like the past 2 years
Because they really have a good roster
vale pond
they already were never going to be top tier
their roster is ok
but outpaced
chipsa doesnt change that
vale pond
lul
balmy wolf
And coaching staff is a big thing
and they havent done much these past 2 years
Literally this fusion roster can be top tier, yet their coaches never elevate them to be one
vale pond
lol
their players are all above avg but none are super exceptional
astro has the most potential
there are better rosters
balmy wolf
Fury, eqo, heesu, alarm are all top tier
vale pond
meh
balmy wolf
You dont think fury is top tier
vale pond
chemistry is nonexistant
balmy wolf
They got 3 months
vale pond
they will be outmatched by better teams like titans, shock, reign, nyxl, and others
balmy wolf
if you think chipsa is less valuable than a new main tank, be mad at the coaches, not him for accepting a good deal
Then thats probs why fusion was never top 5 in the 1st place
vale pond
fusion was never top 5 because their roster is worse than other top rosters
and their coaching is worse
lean tartan
A lot of the problems with sado anyway can be directed back to communication problems
vale pond
they are a solid mid tier team
lean tartan
If they can just play well together it will be a good roster
trim shadow
signed and announced
balmy wolf
yup
oh i didnt see
and a new main support that i’ve never heard of
mandu?
yeah idk who he is
but i think that’s him
he played on O2 blast
the same team kasier is on
is he good
very good
o2 blast support line is extremely good
its why the flex support counterpart got picked up as well
dope i’m looking forward to nyxl winning stages this time
timid furnace
balmy wolf
stages arent a thing in S3
oh we’ve heard alright
oh they aren’t?
yes
just playoffs then?
there have been a lot of changes
All OWL matches are 3 maps only
i know about that
first to 3 now
and it ends after that
no extra pity map
right?
no its just 3 maps
you get to 2 and win
wait actually?!?
yes
what’s the point of that
for ease of players
rest and stuff
are you sure
they are travelling
i know
let me find the article just to make sure
“The regular season four-game-minimum match style has also been scrapped in favor of a first-to-three format, similar to the current playoff rules.”
it’s first to 3
i was right
i looked it up
so in practice draws dont count anymore
thank god they kept the playoff format the same
stiff wasp
Chipsa in OWL? Unlucky bro
balmy wolf
twitch chat is gonna have a fun time with the copy pasta
jagged crater
First to 3? So 5 maps total still possible per match?
stiff wasp
Imagine whining forever about a game and then be paid an exorbitant amount of money to probably ride the bench
balmy wolf
map 5 then
jagged crater
So that could happen pretty often
balmy wolf
with losses yes
jagged crater
More often than 2 draws at least
jagged crater
Is it first to win 2 maps or 3 maps
celest spear
First to 3 map wins
jagged crater
4th map for points was silly
celest spear
it's practically the same as these past 2 years
4th map was pretty much for map differential during the 2018 and 2019 season if the game was a 3-0 at that point
jagged crater
As much as it did mean something, teams clearly don't try much on it
Felt like garbage time game
jagged crater
Only happens near the end
balmy wolf
which was the fun part
jagged crater
And for very few teams
balmy wolf
Gonna be interesting to see the conference thing pan out
stiff wasp
Boston still doesnt look very good for season 3 and im sad
jagged crater
Boston look less Boston than the other budget teams
stiff wasp
I hope ur right
jagged crater
But still budget
stiff wasp
I had like
No energy to watch last season cause boston was so trash
balmy wolf
Boston isnt anything special, but its not dumpster tier
jagged crater
Hard to say if even mid tier
Half the teams are using a lot of lesser known players
So we'll see
Can only judge based on contenders performance
stiff wasp
They still don't have a maintank
I mean off tank
Like they have mouffin but hes on a two way and i hope they wont make that mistake again
vale pond
atlanta has the best mixed roster this year fight me
vale pond
their roster is even stronger this year
raw ermine
They were beat by shock, titans nyxl, HZS
so statistically other than the shock they were
balmy wolf
tbf atl season was bad expect stage 1 and 4
vale pond
bruh
raw ermine
and playoffs
balmy wolf
1 win in playoffs
balmy wolf
then lost every other game
vale pond
then collapsed during spark
bc atlanta and mentally booming go together like cookies and cream
raw ermine
better than seoul and london lmao
balmy wolf
Spark had a better season and decent playoff run
balmy wolf
?
spark is ranked 4th
atl is 6th
atl objectively had the worst season than spark
but both of them made top 6 as new franchises
so good for them
trim shadow
he said..this year roster
he wasnt talking about last year
and spark had a average to terrible season as well?
2-0 start and lost what 5 straight?
and has fluttered ever since
trim shadow
and then went pepega in stage 3
and only made playoffs because of stage 2 and 3 as they barely won any games in stage 4
balmy wolf
I mean going 4-3 in stage 4 is not bad at all
still top 8
ever since stage 2 spark had a positive record in W/L
balmy wolf
3-4 exactly
trim shadow
damn why cant i remember any of hangzhous players
balmy wolf
spark had a good turnaround after stage 1
trim shadow
it was godsb and adora
balmy wolf
atl had 2 really bad stages
and then got a perfect 1
and their 1st stage was top 8
however spark still beats their record
trim shadow
the only..bad stage was stage 2
in stage 3 they couldve easily gone 6-1
but theese small mistakes
cost em each game
balmy wolf
atl went 3-4 in stage 2
trim shadow
and then there games they were suppose to win
trim shadow
i know what the r e c o r d is
but the r e c o r d doesnt reflect how shit they looked
balmy wolf
if they couldn't close out games when they had the advantage then thats their fault
trim shadow
thats the point of why stage 3 was better because mechanically and as unit they improved but they could fix there minutes
stage 2 was riddled with mistakes but it was onyl because the enemy made worser mistakes
balmy wolf
i mean stage 2 and 3 are practically the same expect 1 more loss
balmy wolf
Did hunters announced their new head coach yet since rui left?
jagged crater
wrong time to announce fissure,
mint flower
No I don't think they have
jagged crater
fissure be like who da fuck is this chipsa dude, where my attention at
mint flower
@balmy wolf
jagged crater
@_@
mint flower
Apparently
jagged crater
i cant tell are the people against jayne also against the chipsa pickup
should be the other way around
raw ermine
The problem I think isn't with chipsa's skill
jagged crater
people are against the chipsa pickup, but also dont like how jayne is responding
def lack of professionalism on jayne's part
raw ermine
Its the fact that his brother works at Philly fusion
and that there might be a conflict of interest, which is what jayne is implying
jagged crater
it's both
on the skill front, it's really hard to see chipsa being on the level of carpe, eqo, ivy, or even heesu
raw ermine
Yeah
hidden vault
Wait chipSa is chisagen from dallas fuel?
jagged crater
doom is literally the only thing he can maybe shed some light on
jagged crater
what his genji and hanzo?
raw ermine
Chipsaegen is a flex support
raw ermine
Genji is the 2nd most played hero for him from what i have see lol so idk
cloud latch
y use chipsa for hanzo when you have eqo and carpe
jagged crater
and from what ive seen of his stream, his hanzo is like barely top 500 level
when eqo can be top 100 consistent on hanzo
i dont know what else, i can only see his doom tricks working
and rollout based dooms arent really a thing at high level
because they get shut down fast
cloud latch
Ig his jersey may be bought a lot
jagged crater
chipsa is a funny streamer tho
i'd watch him for memes i guess
i actually kinda want to see him on stage now, give him a chance at least
works out or not , it's gonna be hilarious either way
jagged crater
this is a meme move and i'll take it
jagged crater
chipsa now teammates with one of the best widows in the world 🙂