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balmy wolf
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yeah honestly, I was just watching their YouTube channel today and they all get along so well

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especially after seeing flow3r get emotional at the end of the season

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idk if he’s getting picked up by any OWL team now

trim shadow
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He probably will

balmy wolf
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I hope someone picks up those three, even if they aren’t on the same team. They are good players and deserve the chance

trim shadow
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Seoul has what Profit fits?

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Guangzhou has a spot open

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Actually no i lied

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Hangzhou has a spot if Krystal and billibilli haven’t worked anything out

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Boston

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Vancouver since hooreg wants to coach

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Valiant

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Flo pepega

balmy wolf
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i think pavane got picked up and rumors are saying that meko is going to outlaws

trim shadow
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Pavane is with london

celest spear
slender lance
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It's starts here

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The outlawa signing Koreans

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It will actually really benefit the team I think and fill in their weaknesses

raw ermine
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hmm

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Good for rapel

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BuT WhAT AbOUt ArHaN?

slender lance
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Isn't he gone

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I thought he was released

raw ermine
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It was a joke

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Arhan wasn't very good

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and they didn't play him for a while

ornate siren
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i thought outlaws was gonna be only american // canadian

sullen berry
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who ever said this

raw ermine
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This was the general consensus around the outlaws

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NA only

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but now they are trying more Korean and other players

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Well

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I guess linkzr isn't NA

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Non-Asia I guess

trim shadow
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HOUSTON STOP IT

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YOUR GOING TO BECOME GOOD IF U SIGN MORE GOOD KOREANS

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YOULL RUIN THE BALANCE OF THE LEAUGE

hidden vault
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Didn't expect houston to get koreans

hidden vault
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Good move

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!!owl

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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
mint flower
slender lance
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Meko is going to the outlaws correct?

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If so then they have 3 ot

karmic grotto
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yeh

raw ermine
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they will probably get rid of 1 or both of matt and spree

hidden vault
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and one more dps

pseudo fjord
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rip spree

pearl stratus
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Coolmatt will most likely rotate to an org position.

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Coaching or something.

hidden vault
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how do you know?

trim shadow
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burnout probably

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jake might do the same

raw ermine
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Didn't they say Jake might go to ATL?

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Probably not anymore

trim shadow
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if jake is going to atlanta its 100% as a coach

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if we drop babybay for jake thats the ultimate pepega

pseudo fjord
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is there any starter on any team that Jake is better than on the meta heroes?

short sparrow
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Uh

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I think Jake is probably better than...

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Uh... Zacharee on Doom?

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Yeah, nevermind

raw ermine
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Junkrat new meta confirmed

karmic grotto
raw ermine
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He might not be terrible, unless something happens in between now in OWL, which will

karmic grotto
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This is interesting

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Profit duoing with bdosin

raw ermine
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They are friends still

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In a scrim?

karmic grotto
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ph wait nvm

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i didnt see it correctly

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forget wat i sed

hidden vault
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but bdosin is rumored to go to seoul anyways

raw ermine
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I hate that over the weekend there are no announcements for teams.

karmic grotto
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They're not obligated

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The ones that do announcement work as social media and they work as a regular person

short sparrow
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I was hoping Sugarfree would get picked up

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He deserves it

karmic grotto
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nice troll

short sparrow
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?

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Oh damn

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Actually didn't realize he was that young xD

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Unlucky

mint flower
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Isn't he like 15?

short sparrow
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14 xD

mint flower
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...

celest spear
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WeirdChamp

balmy wolf
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its november

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shouldnt be doing that

karmic grotto
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@bitter oxide is a collegiate team connected to Contenders?

bitter oxide
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I'm not sure sorry

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I don't follow much T2/T3 esports

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@toxic yacht ??

karmic grotto
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You were in a college team right?

bitter oxide
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Uni team yeah

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It's nothing to do w contenders

karmic grotto
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Hmm

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Some player of a team Called Guru mentioned something about not receiving payment because one player wanted to earn more, anyways, the player who mentioned said something about contenders money

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That's something I don't understand

bitter oxide
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Yah I'm not very sure sorry

karmic grotto
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Ok

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Thanks

celest spear
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As a college OW player...
Collegiate OW =/= Contenders. It's more or less slightly below tier 3. I don't think any are connected to t2 teams.

karmic grotto
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I see

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Thanks for explaining it a bit

trim shadow
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I wish some colleges were connected to owl@and contenders

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It will be a true path to pro

smoky musk
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Sole colleges actually have some good players doe

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My colleges is completely made of GM players almost, it's like high master-gm players and some of them have like a full ride and stuff

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But then you have some colleges which aren't even close

upper hawk
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its nice to see kids have another path to an education this way

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with orgs like Tespa, theyre realistic, however

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they teach the kids to eat/sleep right and get a good education and career because just like real sports...gamers that become pro are in the 1%

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so i think for a lot of colleges the goal isnt to make it to OWL

celest spear
celest spear
trim shadow
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Alright

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Off to kill myself

balmy wolf
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...

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yay he got picked up, I was nervous he wasn’t going to

mint flower
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What the actual fuck

sullen berry
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@trim shadow (to flame) lol no, but let's find out

hidden vault
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Meko

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Left nyxl for houston WidowLUL

echo quest
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Shock got third for Esports team of the year

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Noice

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G2 did not deserve 1st at all

sullen berry
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think of it as a belated shout out as most improved coming from worlds last year

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shock's performance is really hard to top

hidden vault
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Who was the 2nd?

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Chengdu?

sullen berry
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I know it was brought up in a pofcast

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and during OWWC

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thought he only earned the nomination

raw ermine
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Joining an NA time as a challenge for meko LMAO

pearl stratus
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I mean when you really break it down there's no difference between Houston and NYXL.

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Since NYXL just chokes and can't win shit.

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Just like Houston.

raw ermine
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but...

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J LUL KE

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?

sullen berry
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Fleta: Fuck this I'm tired of carrying my team
Shu:
Coma:
Oberon: soon™️

trim shadow
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oh fuck

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gamsu left shanghai for dallas

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so what if oberon joins shanghai with fleta?

drowsy dock
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big oof

sullen berry
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stand1 or someone else would likely fill the

trim shadow
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Thats what i was saying

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Oberon joined with stand1 since he has trials

slender lance
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Shanghai gonna bring back Roshan

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It's the beginning of his redemption arc

short sparrow
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Lol

celest spear
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Apparently it's Stand1 and Void for SHD's new tank duo

echo quest
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@sullen berry thats BS tho. Yes they won MSI and both LEC splits but they didnt do either in dominating fashion. FPX ( chinese LOL team) only lost one Bo5 all year and won summer in the LPL and finished the year with a combined record of 26-3 and rolled G2 in the world's finals

sullen berry
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Keep in mind this is targeted towards a more western audience

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And I don't know the League scene in much detail, just sounds like your de facto esports awards ceremony doing the routine cherry pick of great teams while excluding teams that aren't worth putting in the running by their own standards

dapper olive
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Can someone explain why fuel is keeping Taimou?

balmy wolf
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we dont know if their keeping taimou or not

dapper olive
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@balmy wolf now make a sentence everyone can understand.

balmy wolf
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nice edit btw

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Im assuming DF is gonna drop someone. Since they have 5 dps currently.

dapper olive
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Just drop taimou, he is washed up and could be a streamer.

balmy wolf
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Personally I would drop mickie

dapper olive
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Mickie isn’t a DPS and you can drop him but you shouldn’t, even if he doesn’t play, he is a mental bridge.

balmy wolf
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Then make him into a part of staff and not waste a roster slot.

dapper olive
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It doesn’t matter.

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He will never start over note.

balmy wolf
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He still have the same effect if he was on the staff itself.

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Mickie was literally travelling when DF was playing games.

hidden vault
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I would drop harryhook mickie taimou lol

trim shadow
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Fuel cant drop someone

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Most of last years roster is under contract

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Theyll have to trade or buyout the contract

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And friendly reminder sideshow said dallas is one of the highest paying teams

slender lance
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I think Dallas should drop akm or Zack over taimou

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Taimou showed way more in one game vs nyxl than akm and Zack did the entire season

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And akm has a small hero pool

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Soldier, widow, pharah

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And those can be eh sometimes

trim shadow
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What i said went completely over ur head

celest spear
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I'd keep Harry

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Drop Mickie, Taimou, aKm and Zach

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Gamsu does the whole mental bridge thing that Mickie can do

trim shadow
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If they werent signed to 2+1 what do u think envy wouldve done

hidden vault
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Sign them for another year

balmy wolf
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Akm did well on Zarya during goat. Probably better than Note. Could be reconverted into OT for Rein/Zarya comps.

hidden vault
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They could

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But it would also mean they have no flex

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And can't change to other off tanks

karmic grotto
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Dallas won't ever drop Zach

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Don't you get it already?

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Zachs mum is secretly dating Aero

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/s

karmic grotto
slender lance
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Isn't it because of health issues or was that just a rumor

karmic grotto
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not a rumor

mint flower
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Isn't this like the second or third time he's had to step away from OW due to health issues

hidden vault
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tbh I thought they would keep him as a advisor or smth

mint flower
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Has nyxl announced their new head coach yet?

karmic grotto
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Yes

celest spear
hidden vault
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They have 3 flex support and 5 dps?

slender lance
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The new meta

hidden vault
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with that they have 13 signed too

celest spear
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With RUI gone, YXL and Garry are probably gone

short sparrow
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Ain't Garry MS?

hidden vault
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you mean Yveltal?

celest spear
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Garry is a flex support

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RUI just threw him on Lucio to int that one map

balmy wolf
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so in the first they announced bernar (bunsen burner) and water?

karmic grotto
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??

trim shadow
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well

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baconjack is gone

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andd hey endo was right they were gonna pick up coldest

balmy wolf
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wait who is nyxl’s head coach

short sparrow
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Tizi

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Jk, pretty sure they haven't announced it yet

karmic grotto
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I think they have one?

trim shadow
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more then likely

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but they just havent said anything

lyric cliff
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Sooo

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Some streamer tried making OGE look bad

celest spear
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Yep

short sparrow
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?

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Wdym?

echo quest
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It was nice seeing Kyo

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Finna be a benchboi now

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Since Coldest is picked up

balmy wolf
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i feel like people are trying to be victims as much as possible now man it’s actually disgusting

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poor OGE

short sparrow
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??? Whats up with OGE?

balmy wolf
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some transgender streamer accused him of being transphobic because he said “okay man” to her

jagged crater
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that's it?

balmy wolf
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english isn’t even his first language i really don’t know how you could take that as him being malicious

blissful heron
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Who’s the streamer

balmy wolf
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it’s honestly messed up accusations like that could be career ending if it got enough attention

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flocculency

jagged crater
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even if english was first language, "man" and "guys" are kinda unisex saying in that context

balmy wolf
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i think

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yeah i know

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it’s dumb

jagged crater
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this is non-drama

balmy wolf
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it’s awfully stupid

blissful heron
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OGE is literally one of the most, if not the most humble people I’ve ever seen

balmy wolf
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she deleted her accusations on twitter later

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if that doesn’t prove guilt idk what does

blissful heron
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It’s like if I was in Italy and I mistook hot in weather for hot as in romance

jagged crater
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OGE did have a moment early in his OWL career but he's been fine so far

blissful heron
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No one cares I don’t speak Italian

balmy wolf
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it’s funny because she tried to create drama with xqc before as well

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sounds like clout chasing to me

mint flower
jagged crater
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can allwin go back to spamming minion dance in every reponse

mint flower
raw ermine
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Thats nice

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Hopefully jehong doesn't fully retire

trim shadow
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he joined vancovuer so

jagged crater
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likely benched cuz twilight too good

celest spear
trim shadow
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i guess hooreg found a job nice

raw ermine
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aww

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I thought it might be fissure or jehong to VT

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but we knew about Hooreg

trim shadow
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its jehong he was confirmed

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but waiting on the fissure confirm

karmic grotto
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Hooreg gone

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What a time

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Being on champions team, then 2th best team of second season

short sparrow
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Then back to OD xD

raw ermine
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He wants to coach so maybe, maybe not

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also 2th?

trim shadow
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if he left he more then likely found a position

karmic grotto
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If he can coach a team to win Contenders

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He say he won as a player and as a coach

balmy wolf
supple prism
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higher me

jagged crater
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Taimou Winston pogchamp

mint flower
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Taimou Winston vs rjh Winston duel in 2020 plz

raw ermine
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Can we get a 3v3 mercy duel that start w/ ults and max ult charge? no passive or dmg boost or heal

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just pistol

mint flower
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Neptuno and yveltal gotta be in that

raw ermine
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Yeah

hidden vault
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Kicking hooreg out cause hooreg lucky charm doesnt work SymmetraGiggle

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And which dps will they pick up?

severe junco
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one season and the titans roster has lost how many players after hooreg?

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Bumper's possibly leaving too

raw ermine
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rapel, hooreg, tizi, maybe bumper

severe junco
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titans imploded

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Tizi literally only got to play the playoffs im pretty sure

raw ermine
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If bumper leaves I will be worried

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yeah only then

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but the others weren't as vital

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Tizi was really helpful, but bumper can learn orisa

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and the other 2 have better replacements on the team

severe junco
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still, losing Hooreg and Tizi is bad

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losing Bumper is really bad

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A Yakpung pickup would be something

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souldn't solve their problems tho

raw ermine
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Yakpung?

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idk

severe junco
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He's a good main tank

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he's not too much special

raw ermine
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losing bumper would be detrimental, seeing as we might be going into an rein meta

severe junco
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but he was good on the Defiant

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although, am biased

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am defiant fan

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am very very happy defiant fan

raw ermine
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As am I

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He was decent but when we lost stellar it went downhill

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and losing bumper could be the same

severe junco
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Losing bumper is worse

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Bumper's an anchor for the team

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same with hooreg

raw ermine
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He is the leader, a fan favourite, and the idea pissed off the runaway squad

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yeah

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It like keeping mickie on dallas

slender lance
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If Titans drop bumper they better pick up kaiser

karmic grotto
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They will have Fissure

hidden vault
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Why drop bumper lol

slender lance
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Fissure is a step up in some parts but he is pretty inconsistent

raw ermine
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It's been quiet.

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Too quiet....

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Some team is going to announce a team roster soon I bet.

pearl stratus
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If you're able to you pick up Tizi not Bumper.

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Bumper is great, on his current team.

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For literally any other team Tizi is a vastly better tank with higher levels of play on everything that isn't Rein.

limber pine
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correct

pearl stratus
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Also Kaiser is, for the most part, relatively unrelated and I don't see a situation in which Vancouver would make its players happy picking him up.

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Considering Kaiser was, and quit being, a member of Runaway -twice-.

mint flower
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we're getting florida juice today

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but honestly no one cares...

limber pine
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I care

mint flower
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...

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ok

pearl stratus
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If they announce a better main support they're not in a bad spot honestly. They've rotated out their discount koreans.

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They haven't gone in for any of the "Stupid people think this player is amazing, because they don't actually know anything" players.

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Which is pretty vital.

hidden vault
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Does slime suck?

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Or they just need someone to match jehong?

trim shadow
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hes a good player but he isnt flashy

mint flower
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i can see florida making the play-in tournament, but not very much further

pearl stratus
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Thats about where most teams make it.

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Look at people who still care about like.. NYXL.

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Unfortunately for them Henry Judah Heimlich passed away in 2016 or he'd be the perfect coach.

minor fossil
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guys what do u think of phily with all these power pickups

slender lance
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They will probably be in the same area as they always are

minor fossil
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but their roster looks stacked

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other than sado of course

slender lance
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All they did was get a better off tank and flex support

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It may look stacked but in the end it can turn out bad

minor fossil
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ya tru

slender lance
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They may not mesh well

minor fossil
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hope they do

hidden vault
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How is Henry and NYXl related lol

slender lance
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Am I the only one that think shock may dominate again

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They have a really flexible roster and only got rid of one player

minor flame
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Dominate is hard when nearly every owl team rn is looking good

trim shadow
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yea looking good

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but lets not forgoet

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golden stage in goats

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perfect stage in 2-2-2

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didnt drop a map after losing to atlanta

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san fransicso pretty much dominated 2019 from stage 2 and never showed pitty

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That entire roster is returning minus nevix

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with a fresh coach who has decent accolades with talon esports

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its basically a scenario where who wants to fight god?

pearl stratus
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The Heimlich Manuever is a standard practice to save someone from choking @hidden vault

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NYXL is one of the most overhyped but underperforming rosters on the level of London Spitfire.

trim shadow
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as new york stands right now if the rumors are true

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mano bianca hotba jjonak mandu anamo whoru sbb pine nenne libero

pearl stratus
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So nothing changed.

trim shadow
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thats basically another 3rd place finish

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or top 5

pearl stratus
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WhoRu will most likely end up just Pine 2.0

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Sitting on the bench.

trim shadow
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controversial but i dont think hotba is a improvement over meko

pearl stratus
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That's not controversial.

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I don't think anyone thinks he's an improvement when he can't flex.

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2-2-2 ruined players like Hotba.

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In terms of their real value.

trim shadow
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hell...i think bianca might out scrim him and get the starting job

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now will bianca be good...i dont know its possible

hidden vault
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I think Hotba would be their player back up

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he can literally replace anyone

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other then that I have no idea why nyxl picked him

balmy wolf
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Was pine resigned?

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And I think WhoRU was a bad pickup, for NYXL

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So who does spitfire have?
Bernar, JMAC, Krillin, Fuze, SanGuiNar, Glister, Highly, Schwi, and their latest announcement(s) show a bunsen burner(to confirm bernar) and it evaporating water, so water could be their 9th?

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As they then tweeted, How many stars do you see? We can, atleast, see 9

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Which could mean a 9 player roster or their is more to come?

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i don’t think nyxl is that overhyped honesty

pearl stratus
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In terms of accomplishments they're on the same exact level of Shanghai Dragons at this point.

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One stage win.

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Actually they may have two.

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Yeah, two season 1 stage wins - thats it. They perform well and don't win real things.

raw ermine
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Pine said he isn't leaving nyxl. People think he might swap roles now.

balmy wolf
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twinkl also on spitfire

hot heart
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Swap roles to what? @raw ermine GWlulurdWaitWhat

pearl stratus
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It's not necessarily Twinkl.

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Stars could also be Stellar

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Pine has been a support player previously.

hot heart
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Huh

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Didnt know that

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I assume he played ana lucio or something?

pearl stratus
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I've seen him most on Lucio I want to say.

hot heart
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Reddit lucio pine LucioCool

balmy wolf
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it is twinkl

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in his bio it literally says he plays for spitfire

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and this ^

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this was translated ^

mint flower
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Wait, twinkls a coach right

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Not a player

balmy wolf
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wait ye

hot heart
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PogChimp 👉 LondonSpitfire

balmy wolf
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and that was already announced

balmy wolf
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the thing with nyxl is that regardless of stage wins they still have a top tier team, and they’ve consistently been that too

pearl stratus
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In season 2 I see no difference between NYXL and ... Florida.

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Neither of them won anything.

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Winning games doesn't really matter when you can't win anything else.

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You could argue it helps their brand, but that's not about over and underrated just good marketing.

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Kind of like how the Knicks in the NBA have a ton of money and good merch.

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But everyone knows the teams not really going to win anything.

trim shadow
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who the figgity fuk is twinkl

limber pine
mint flower
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that guy☝️

trim shadow
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his track record isnt impressive

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and as a player his team was below average

balmy wolf
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in terms of wins i agree

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but in regards to how good the team is

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they’re still pretty good

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that’s all i meant

trim shadow
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yeaa..i fully expect london to not make top ten this year

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im sticking with that

latent basin
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Who support NYXL here?

copper solstice
mint flower
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kukiiii

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is the former HC still there

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or was he released

trim shadow
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wait a minute

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kuki as hc

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thats so fucking risky

pearl stratus
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Not really.

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He was just coaching Runaway a week ago, and they all liked him.

limber pine
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and

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Florida's bar isn't that high

celest spear
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Kuki has been coaching Runaway since the last contenders season

trim shadow
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but the thing is runaway was naturally talented

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and whatever Florida is bringing in besides yaki and gangnamjim?

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i think thats how u spell his name

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how will he keep the the team together along with heavy travel

latent basin
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Someone has the full schedule of the Saison 2020?

trim shadow
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its easy to be a hc and not have to travel everywhere versus being a hc and keeping them together playing in hostile enviroments

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plus florida is pretty much in a death group

mint flower
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gangnamjin*

trim shadow
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florida has to play houston atlanta philly and washington at least 3 times each

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and all 4 are relativetly stacked

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especially atlanta who no bias is the undisputed heavyweight in that division

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and also regional rivals so florida could get boo'd

pearl stratus
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Runaway wa snaturally talented, but it was also a relatively new runaway.

mint flower
karmic grotto
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???

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A dog

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Island

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Mayhem

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London signed Sayaplayer????

limber pine
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SNT

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is the theory

karmic grotto
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oh

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Who is SNT?

limber pine
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formerly awesomeguy

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on florida

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i think he's a coach now

balmy wolf
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^

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Assistant coach for spitfire

little silo
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SNT has been officially confirmed but Spitfire seem to want a small tease for every player

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and coach

slender lance
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Because they need some hype since they got rid of their entire roster basically

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Everyone is mad at them I'd assume

limber pine
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their leaked/rumored roster doesn't look very good either

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when you compare it to some of the other offseason moves

slender lance
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Yeah

mint flower
#

Why do they keep teasing players/staff that's already announced...

balmy wolf
#

Well compared to valiant they look very good lol

mint flower
#

Isn't that redundant

slender lance
#

There is the possibility that Florida could be better than London next season

balmy wolf
#

Nah

#

I mean - valiant bot 3 imo

#

Unless they make some amazing roster changes now

limber pine
#

I liked them picking up lastro

#

and keeping ksp/custa/shax is good

#

their tank play is gonna be the question

#

Dreamer/McGravy

slender lance
#

Mcgravy has a lot to prove imo

limber pine
#

agreed

mint flower
#

Have they announced shax returning

limber pine
#

not officially, but everybody tells me i'm wrong when I say it wasn't announced

#

so idk

slender lance
#

It's announced but not by val

#

It's just a confirmed leak I believe

balmy wolf
#

Mayhem 2020 champs LUL

slender lance
#

The bottoms 3 teams for me right now are val, mayhem, and Boston or londong honestly

#

I just don't see a ton in their roster moves

balmy wolf
#

London arent bot 3

slender lance
#

I could see it happening

balmy wolf
#

Besides SanGuiNar, most their players are proven, already in T2 right?

limber pine
#

i don't think london or mayhem will be bottom three, but I could see val in the bottom because of the division they play in

balmy wolf
#

Honestly tho, spitfire's first match will be the real test

#

vs NYXL

slender lance
#

They could get easily smoked but it wouldn't be the match that proves they suck

balmy wolf
#

If they get properly smoked, yea it might

slender lance
#

Because it happened in the inaugural season and they won the whole thing

balmy wolf
#

Like I mean really smoked
Like vs ATL is stage 4
Or vs Spark in Stage 2 playoffs

#

3/4 maps
Spitfire got 0 points

slender lance
#

I'd say give them a few games to decide how bad they are

balmy wolf
#

vs NYXL
vs Paris
vs Justice
vs Outlaws
vs Mayhem

#

First 5

#

Yikes

#

All those teams are looking decent

#

Honestly I see a 4/1 or a 2/3

slender lance
#

Because nyxl could have a better team and beat them but if they beat justice or outlaws they might be a mid tier team

balmy wolf
#

For spitfire

slender lance
#

Justice and outlaws actually look okay

#

Imo

balmy wolf
#

I think (with what we know so far)
Nyxl 3-1
LDN 3-1
^
^
^
^

Or
Nyxl 3-1
Ldn 3-1
^
Outlaws 3-1
Mayhem 3-1

#

No point in making map predictions

#

Oh yea it's not 4 maps anymore is it

#

Just first to 3

#

We all thought hunters would be garbage

#

I never

#

I rated them bottom 5

#

I rated them bot 10

#

Like 11th

slender lance
#

I rated Hunters 13

balmy wolf
#

My bot 5 was
Paris
Boston
Outlaws
Justice and mayhem

#

Not in any particular order ^

slender lance
#

For 2019 right?

balmy wolf
#

Ye

slender lance
#

Mine was justice mayhem Boston val and outlaws

limber pine
#

Hunters only made the playoffs because VAL had a disastrous start to the year.

slender lance
#

But Paris was barely above val for me

balmy wolf
#

Yea well coach moon was a bit special tbf

celest spear
#

Kuki Lucio PepeLaugh

slender lance
#

The second they lost soon i rated them low

balmy wolf
#

"CuStA iS tOo SmArT, lEtS bEnCh HiM"

slender lance
#

And after the first few games it showed

balmy wolf
#

Not like soon did much on eternal so

celest spear
#

The team looked better with Kariv on flex support than Iza

slender lance
#

Agreed

celest spear
#

We saw it near the end of stage 2 when they started experimenting with Kariv back on support

pearl stratus
#

Losing Soon didn't matter for VAL at all realistically.

#

Since he was completely useless in the meta.

#

Not like he did anything of value on Paris either.

#

But hey, Paris bench boys.

#

When in doubt, kick the frog out and get a Korean.

trim shadow
#

Imagine if valiant signed sdb

balmy wolf
#

still would be a bad signing in last season

#

since both of them suck at goats hard

trim shadow
#

But were in a 222 year round meta

#

Unless we get a revert

#

Which will probably bring back goats

#

New york just announced there hc

#

And he doesnt have a liquidpedia??

limber pine
#

he was their assistant coach

balmy wolf
#

oh no wonder this guy has no page on the pedia

#

he was their data analyst dude

#

who also has a PHD

#

he kind of reminds me of Valen

#

whos track record beyond esports is incredible

trim shadow
#

Ah

#

So a promo

balmy wolf
#

promo for what

trim shadow
#

Promotion

mint flower
#

His NYXL origins video was kinda cool

minor flame
#

jay won sinatraa for esports player of the year lmao

#

he probably deserves it but hes not gonna get it especially with how the public views ow and ow esports

balmy wolf
#

yeah people don’t like overwatch enough anymore for anything related to it to win awards

#

goats felt like the nail in the coffin

minor flame
#

people dont like overwatch at all

#

its like one of the most hated multi games ngl

#

even if it didnt have goats i doubt they wouldve actually gotten any awards

mint flower
#

@trim shadow

raw ermine
#

Who did mentalist play for before?

balmy wolf
#

not a player, hes a coach

pearl stratus
#

It's easier to consume special ed stuff either way. You could have quadraplegic down syndrome with fetal alcohol syndrome and do well in Fortnite, its not overly hard but its high profile. LoL is a chinese monetary power house, so it'll get trickle down influence either way.

#

Though for some reason people still pretend LoL isn't chinese because they let the same people run it.

olive mist
pearl stratus
#

1900ish?

minor flame
#

@pearl stratus its surprising the amount of flak ow gets overall compared to league which in theory should be like the epitome of what the public hate

#

but hey they make rap so like shrug moment

balmy wolf
#

Lol is notorious for being a toxic well

#

Just no one cares about

#

Like every other game

trim shadow
#

Leauge pro scene just does everything better then ow lets be real

#

And mentalist is edisons old coach so

#

Symergy

#

I heard mentalist signed like 5 weeks agop

balmy wolf
#

if overwatch made music like league it’d become a meme

raw ermine
#

"Maybe I"ll play goats, I already played goats, what about dive, I already played some dive, I'll played double barrier, NERF DOUBLE BARRIER."

#

like that?

trim shadow
#

Blizzard doesnt have half the funding riot does

#

Considering tencent is a billion dollar company with a foot in everything gaming

#

And blizzard are just surfer dudes who love games

#

So ofc production on leauges side will always be top tier

#

And clean

#

And then u have Na

sudden plover
#

Blizzard Is People Who Blow For Money

trim shadow
#

Hence allowing activision to buy them and the rights to all there games

#

Even tho blizzard desperately needs todo a bungie

#

Take there game back

sudden plover
#

Why

trim shadow
#

U asking me why and u dont see the current state ow is in due activision influence since they pulled Employees towards other projects

balmy wolf
#

overwatch needs hot fixes

#

every shitty meta lasts for months and imo that’s what’s killing it even further

#

the hardcore OW fans that stick with the game through all the shit get nothing but a spit in their face as a reward feelsbadman

#

I mean PTR has been fun as hell

trim shadow
#

heres a dr mercy skin are u happy

#

well yes but no

#

Seagull said it best if i remember it correctly

#

Well i can remember the exact words so ill say something

#

The meta sometimes last to long and Theres to much space between changes for a op Way of playing the open meta

#

And balances are often one sided

#

Like the reaper LS buff

#

Making orisa shield last longer

#

tracers increased range

#

Shit@like that

#

Past ptr has probably been the only decent patch ive seen in a min

balmy wolf
#

i don’t really know how i feel about the armor change yet

trim shadow
#

Well rein is almost unkillable and hes almost in his goats state

#

Orisa can straight up brawl now

#

Winston has more surviveability

#

But hell probably still die if he dives in

mint flower
#

When orisas shield is weaker than Winston bubble...

trim shadow
#

Orisa’s shield being able to be killed by hog in 4 hits is disgusting

mint flower
#

So does 5 reaper shots and a fan the hammer, roll, fan the hammer

trim shadow
#

Thats stupid

#

And shell somehow find her way into meta cause of the armor revert

balmy wolf
#

remember when people could play characters like soldier

sage maple
#

Yeah, I’m pretty sure I saw somebody play Soldier in one of my games today

balmy wolf
#

it’s a hard throw if the enemy team knows what they’re doing

trim shadow
#

F

mint flower
#

Oof

trim shadow
#

i didnt even know grim was still playing pro

#

and that silk returned to pro play as well

mint flower
#

Same

#

I thought silk said he was going to return to school

trim shadow
#

apperantly he did

sullen berry
#

silk retiring from overwatch to being dropped in apex

trim shadow
#

but then he came back to pro play via apex

sullen berry
#

whats next gang

trim shadow
#

honestly if silk wanted play a battle royale pubg is way more established then apex

#

plus apex is non traditional

mint flower
#

fOrTniTe

sullen berry
#

anything from here would be a downgrade, unless he gets back into league

trim shadow
#

in the words of mark cuban

#

fortnite is not a esport

mint flower
#

Lol

#

I agree with that statement

trim shadow
#

if silk wants to stay pro his only way is back through owl or find another apex team..but i cant imagine apex is paying like a owl contract would

#

apex tournaments are extremely hard to find and are not entertaining to watch

sullen berry
#

yeah

#

I had him as someone who played pro in LoL

#

wrong person

karmic grotto
#

ATL with good signings

limber pine
#

atl having an extremely good offseason

raw ermine
#

Hmm

#

If fury went to philly

#

And hotba went to guangzho then nyxl from Philly

#

And meko went to houston

#

Does that mean me come full circle with coolmatt or spree going to London? Lol

mint flower
#

Big brain theories

balmy wolf
#

No!

#

Dont even say that

slender lance
#

You have sinned by saying that

analog lark
#

Please cease your existense

#

Thank you!

mint flower
#

we can make that even dumber

#

Houston decides to be dumb af and trade meko to london

balmy wolf
#

Yes pls

trim shadow
#

trades meko to philly for fury

balmy wolf
#

Nyxl released flow3r too..

#

He might be the back up dps for gladiators.. if he is then gladiators are looking like a top 3 team tbh

#

They already look like it

pearl stratus
#

Getting fl0w3r does not make your team better.

slender lance
#

Flow3r won't make them a top 3

balmy wolf
#

They basically already are

slender lance
#

He didn't do much for nyxl

balmy wolf
#

The only bad thing is birdring

pearl stratus
#

Season 1 Dragons had better DPS than Fl0w3r who has done nothing but create a meme of his EMP.

slender lance
#

And glad is not top 3 either way

#

Top 10 but not top 3

pearl stratus
#

fl0w3r EMP beat out AKM blade.

#

By being one of the worst things seen in OWL in all two seasons.

slender lance
#

Nenne grav?

balmy wolf
#

Nenne grav

pearl stratus
#

No.

#

Nenne grav made sense if you're not a potato.

slender lance
#

I know

#

It's was a calculated risk

pearl stratus
#

It wasn't a 5 minute EMP that then hit no one and they lost a team fight even with it.

balmy wolf
#

Like the late trans

pearl stratus
#

That's some bronze SR shit.

slender lance
#

It just didn't work out

balmy wolf
#

But tbh these offseasons are looking great

pearl stratus
#

He built the EMP in 2:35, which alone is a meme because a decent Sombra builds EMP in ~50 seconds at most.

#

Then he held it for another two minutes.

slender lance
#

I don't think he'll get picked up

balmy wolf
#

Defiant, Atlanta, Nyxl got hotba meaning they won't have dva all the time and can be more aggreesive

slender lance
#

You have to remember that even tho the pick up is good it doesn't mean they'll do good

#

They have to work well together

#

I think hotba Mano will work tho

balmy wolf
#

And that's why they have 3 months to practice together.

#

I think S4 + AGILITES is gonna be great.

pearl stratus
#

As long as they stop being Canadian. Since that didn't work out well for anyone.

balmy wolf
#

Lmao

#

Honestly I don't think xqc is as good as he used to be and that's why Canada did pretty bad

pearl stratus
#

Toronto has two potential weaknesses. Coaching and they need to find a real leader.

#

My guess is it will be Nevix.

#

Because he's bringing experience from a real team.

#

And they'll most likely lean on anything they can get from a Crusty pov.

analog lark
#

Toronto is my favorite team, as they literally just built a "super" team of just my favorite players

#

S4, beast, kariv, agilities, nevix

balmy wolf
#

Nyxl will always be my favorite.

#

No matter what

pearl stratus
#

Nevix is really the only one who comes from a really successful team though

#

I actually only have Toronto as mid tier, not even on the higher end.

balmy wolf
#

Nyxl can change the whole roster and it would still be my team.

#

And beast, is pretty good.

analog lark
#

I see them as mid tier, but they're basically a personal super team to me, like if all your favorite players came under one roof to play overwatch

balmy wolf
#

Yeah ig

pearl stratus
#

I actually don't like their dps line up, because it all overlaps in weird ways.

balmy wolf
#

Dallas are looking way better than last season.

pearl stratus
#

Like I see literally no reason to have mangachu on that line up other than a back up.

#

And I would have wanted a back up with a different pool.

balmy wolf
#

Dallas might have top tier potential

analog lark
#

Eh...

pearl stratus
#

Dallas issue has never been lack of talented players overall though.

#

It's always been coaching.

balmy wolf
#

Jayne is gone.

analog lark
#

Jayne wasn't the problem

pearl stratus
#

Yeah but the org might try to replace and overbloat coaching again.

#

We don't know who was the problem, is the thing.

balmy wolf
#

Dallas was just

#

Eh..

pearl stratus
#

We do know Jayne is not a super great developmental coach, as seen by his 2018 OWWC.

balmy wolf
#

And 2019 ZaryaLUL

pearl stratus
#

That was Tikatee.

#

Jayne was GM, which is a different role.

balmy wolf
#

Aw

pearl stratus
#

But Tikatee is a Fuel coach as well.

balmy wolf
#

Welp

#

Yikes

pearl stratus
#

If I was Dallas I would have kept Aero, since he's a good strategic coach (not developmental)

#

And I would have gone for someone like BluHAS as well.

analog lark
#

Wasn't Jayne the support coach and wasn't Dallas's support line their best part of their team

balmy wolf
#

If they can pick up their coaching their team is looking really solid.

#

Gamsu and Doha are pretty big pickups

analog lark
#

Doha gives them a proper flex dps

pearl stratus
#

They switched the roles around, I'd need to find it.

sullen berry
#

Cocco gets to just learn how gamsu does things

#

so much for a tank coach

#

but also

#

I feel like he has worth in overwatch professionally

#

I'm not convinced he has shown to be a proficient coach in his really limited field

#

and most of it would have shown through Trill

pearl stratus
#

Yeah:

#

"When it comes to the Dallas Fuel, Jayne’s own role in the coaching staff has been moved around over the last few months. “We’ve moved the roles around a little bit since DaemoN joined. DaemoN joined originally to be the tank coach, to fill the void that Cocco left, when he left the team. But when DaemoN arrived, it was very quickly apparent to us that his strength was in strategy not in micro. So I took over the tank coaching with NotE and OGE primarily, and Vol’Jin moved over to support coaching.”

#

Jayne stopped being the support coach and was the tank coach.

sullen berry
#

well that is another bullet in the fuel tank

trim shadow
#

is that why oge stagnated in stage 3

#

note in himself is just...not that good if dva isnt meta

pearl stratus
#

Jayne also tried coaching an Australian OD team a long time back.

#

And they lost every map, of every game.

sullen berry
#

you'd think the system is no longer dependent on coaching, and it's a lost cause now

pearl stratus
#

When he quit they won the next game.

balmy wolf
#

Well dive will be viable

#

Every tank comp is gonna be viable tbh

pearl stratus
#

Note and Gamsu are also a proven duo, which could help alleviate the pressure of swapping OT.

#

Like a Gamsu Ball and Note D'va Dive by all rights would be pretty solid.

balmy wolf
#

Btw did anything happen to Paris besides shadowburn?

trim shadow
#

alot

balmy wolf
#

I haven't seen anything

trim shadow
#

!!owl2020

#

still doesnt work for me

pearl stratus
#

They went half Korean.

sullen berry
#

not worth it

#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
sullen berry
#

what is it do you want him to look at

#

because that's a lot to trawl through for eternal updates

pearl stratus
#

Rosterpocalypse is a pretty easy chart read.

sullen berry
#

fuck it

#

made my own

trim shadow
#

honestly

sullen berry
#

it's missing one or two, but it's one i want to be faultless without coaches

trim shadow
#

even when sparkle becomes of age

#

i dont really see paris getting any higher then 10th

#

i see them as the gate keeper of mid table still

balmy wolf
#

Bischu?

#

Is he good or..

sullen berry
#

Bischu is quality

trim shadow
#

its hard to evaluate bischu when hes only played 1 game due to illness

sullen berry
#

mechanically, he's meh

trim shadow
#

i dont even think hell start over space

sullen berry
#

1 game on GZ Charge on the B-team with players who all left the team postseason

balmy wolf
#

If dva is meta then space is getting all the showtime

sullen berry
#

ParisEternal ||XZI, Sparkle, Hanbin,|| Soon, Kruise, Greyy, HYP, NiCOgdh, Benbest

#

who still has team options

balmy wolf
#

London and Valiant are dead

sullen berry
#

not so

balmy wolf
#

I heard they're going budget

sullen berry
#

they aren't neccessarily scraping the barrel here

raw ermine
#

Why did they sign bischu in the first place if they have space?

sullen berry
#

bischu is much more comfortable on a mixed roster, korean and english fluency

#

that's how fissure would be able to control the flow and lead the Gladiators

trim shadow
#

then why he no sign with washington

slender lance
#

Glads had to fill the 8th spot

mint flower
karmic grotto
swift moth
#

Might be late with this but Sinatraa for game awards

minor flame
#

Gangnamjin will do gangnam style on his walkout

mint flower
#

lol

#

carrying on the florida walkout legacy

balmy wolf
#

Pavane

#

So now they have teased all their coaches and I'm assuming players soo full announcement tomorrow?

mint flower
#

how is this a pavane tease?

#

oh nvm figured it out

balmy wolf
#

For everyone else confused
Paw + weather Vane = Pavane

mint flower
#

^

somber bay
#

what team is ryujehong on

mint flower
#

halo reported that he's going to titans

somber bay
#

oh

hot heart
pearl stratus
#

China OWWC always releases random stories from their OWWC experience.

raw ermine
#

number 3 lmao

pearl stratus
#

10.In addition to Yigou, Jinmu was also called Goudaqiang(Dog hit wall). Because Elieen said that every time Jinmu hit the wall with doomfist, he was the dog hitting the wall.

unborn ruin
#

One message removed from a suspended account.

jagged crater
#

Asking is nutty breh

trim shadow
#

valiant is forever cursed for not signing him

jagged crater
#

Ksf ain't no slouch either but really does suck asking didn't get signed

idle beacon
#

gonna ask here .. what the f.... is owpd ?

supple prism
#

Sounds familiar, think i was on their discord once

idle beacon
#

ye but what exactly is it?

#

the description is so confusing

#

OWPD is a 4k+ private server for ranked players policing the ladder we keep track of wintraders/cheaters/griefers if you have information on something DM us.

#

the private server is absolutely confusing me

sullen berry
#

@pearl stratus you don't know how I excited am for these posts. Too good

balmy wolf
#

@idle beacon its a server keeping track of players who ruin ranked basically

#

They have a twitter as well i believe

idle beacon
#

i am there on that site. so it is true.. shitloads of hackers in the top500 ranks?

#

also

#

are people really paying up to 1k dollar for a hack?

trim shadow
#

wonder if this has to be one of the reasons for budget london

idle beacon
#

fines means?

#

c9 has to pay 175k to riot games?

trim shadow
#

yes

#

along with according to jacob around 300k-600k worth of stock fees for extending contracts before they were allowed to

#

so potentially Gen.g buying profit and gesture for 1 mil vanished because of the under handed move pulled by cloud 9 lol

idle beacon
#

profit and gesture?

#

eh???

#

wait, what?

gaunt acorn
#

profit and gesture play for seoul

#

this trade was made weeks ago

sullen berry
#

Profit already updated his twitch stream people rarely watch with Seoul colours

idle beacon
#

i dont understand the profit + gesture part with c9

#

wait

#

does cloud9 have an OWL team?

gaunt acorn
#

..london spitfire

idle beacon
#

wow

#

didnt even know that

#

didnt know a gaming org is that fuckin rich

#

i thought sk and fnatic are rich, but being that rich that you can buy a complete OWL team and paying a 20mil fee to play at OWL

#

wow

upper niche
#

Buy-in for Season 1 was a lot lower, up to the $12m mark.

crimson osprey
#

The players make a fuckton too off Sponsors

limber pine
#

no Mag is sad

mint flower
#

So runner is staying in management right?

limber pine
#

that seems to be a safe assumption yes

mint flower
minor flame
#

Unfortunate

idle beacon
#

@upper niche i read it were 20m

slender lance
#

I don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but Ajax retired

celest spear
#

Ajax went from inting on NRG and LnL to dying mid beat 3 times on ATL Academy to going to an OD team to retiring.

#

That's a pretty slippery slope

balmy wolf
#

QOQ's contract with Runaway has been terminated. Please continue to support him moving forwards!

trim shadow
#

qoq to florida right

minor flame
#

Whered you get that

#

Hes just lft rn

trim shadow
#

his name was floated around florida and maybee london

#

florida have been trying to sign him forever at this point

limber pine
#

qoq posted later a LFT tweet

minor flame
#

QoQ would fit nice in florida or dallas

balmy wolf
#

Yea he is LFT as his contract was terminated with runaway

#

OGE got banned from twitch hmm

trim shadow
#

oh for fuck sakes

#

twitch stop this

hot heart
#

TwitchGWlulurdMegaLul

karmic grotto
#

for what?

little silo
#

That thing with the Mercy who got upset when he said "Thanks man" not knowing they were trans

pearl stratus
#

Upset butterfly fucktard who plays the victim.

#

People like that set back trans people so much further than they advance them by just being miserable cunts.

little silo
#

just a language barrier issue that was blown out of proportion

pearl stratus
#

It's not even a language barrier, really.

#

It's a person getting mad at a standard colloqualism because they think they're a special snowflake.

#

"man" used in the verbiage in which OGE used it does not have a gender assignment realistically.

little silo
#

It's a really common phrase too

#

Everyone says "Okay man/dude"

pearl stratus
#

Saying something like "Whatever, man" or "okay, man" is just a colloquial phrase.

#

You would never say "Whatever, woman"

little silo
#

yeah

pearl stratus
#

Also the person in question, based on what has been seen, literally spends 95% of their time bitching and clout tracking

little silo
#

I think they tried it on xqc too

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, no respect for people who can be nothing but victims.

#

You may want to be seen as a woman, I just see a bitch.

little silo
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But even if they get the desired attention it won't be positive attention so I don't understand it

pearl stratus
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Yeah thats why I say people like that set their respective groups/movements behind, not ahead.

little silo
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Paints their group in a really bad light for no reason and puts themselves in an even worse position

minor flame
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Dude/man/bro at this point are like gender neutral to me in a sense

little silo
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OGE will probably have to pay the League a fine too

minor flame
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Cause theres nothing better than saying ok bro

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ok pal or ok buddy sounds like youre passively aggressively an asshole

pearl stratus
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They're gender neutral in context. And I actually doubt the league will fine him.

little silo
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I think it was only a simple response in game he wasn't even being passive aggressive

pearl stratus
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No one with an IQ above 12 looking into what happened would think it was a wrongdoing.

minor flame
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It was a simple response

pearl stratus
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It was, and is.

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Calling Flocc something like...

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A Jack in the Box.

little silo
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Of course not but it hurts his image and the league as a whole as stupid as it is

pearl stratus
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That's transphobic.

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Using a standard phrase?

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Not Transphobic.

minor flame
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It doesnt hurt his image

little silo
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Getting banned on Twitch

pearl stratus
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It's Twitch.

minor flame
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Unless you are ppl like flocc

pearl stratus
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Twitch is such a useless cunt of a community.

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That I don't think anyone takes it seriously anymore.

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You can feed your cat vodka, but don't call someone man.

minor flame
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Twitch is a shithole so bans arent taken seriously at all

little silo
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I'm not but players have paid fines for lots of stuff so it's possible

pearl stratus
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I shit better platforms than Twitch, and I've left better moderators in a tissue in a trashcan.

little silo
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Wouldn't surprise me even if I regard it as bs

minor flame
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Seeing the past fines

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Even they wouldnt go low as this

pearl stratus
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None of the fines that people have gotten have been unwarranted.

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That's the thing.

little silo
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I consider it unlikely but possible

pearl stratus
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Taimou's fine was completely valid, xQc's fine was completely valid.

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EQO's fine came from his team, not the league.

minor flame
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Lmao were you trying to say the slur

pearl stratus
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Yeah.

minor flame
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Unlucky

pearl stratus
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Because you can't really refer to it as the f word.

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You kind of just have to use it lol

little silo
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Taimou paid a fine for the tweet where he complained about not having playtime

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And lots more

minor flame
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The fig

little silo
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Idk how many fines the man had to pay so far

pearl stratus
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Taimou's fine was told by Surefour on Avasts Stream.

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Every other fine has been announced by the league.

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Trusting Surefour?

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50/50 at BEST odds.

minor flame
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That sounds more like a joke if it was revealed like that

pearl stratus
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Now if he said Taimou was asked to take the tweet down?

little silo
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ah fuck it was from surefour sorry

pearl stratus
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I'd believe that.

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But the tweets still up.

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Which means most likely nothing happened.

limber pine
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taimou being fined for a tweet about playing time would have surely come from DF and not Blizzard no?

pearl stratus
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That too.

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But I think a lot of people don't consider the two different.

minor flame
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Either way neither were announced nor taken fown

limber pine
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i can imagine Blizzard fining him for that

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*Can't

little silo
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I just remember hearing it not the source. I jumped the gun a bit

pearl stratus
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No worries.

minor flame
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How good is qoq

little silo
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Solid offtank