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pearl stratus
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They care more about winning.

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So picking up UK players is antithesis to that.

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Paris is new, they can throw their second season.

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No one will mind.

trim shadow
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But damn the only thing making people like london is cause London is on the name

mint flower
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is meko rumored to be going to seoul?

balmy wolf
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its rumored hes going to outlaws

mint flower
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what...

trim shadow
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He pulled urleg

pearl stratus
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People can stop being lowkey awkward racist and just accept the better players.

short isle
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daco was "unforgettable"

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i wonder how?

mint flower
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Daco to Seoul
Bazzi Nus Doha to Hangzhou
Woohyal SanSam to Guangzhou
Glister, Wekeed, Umtae to London

hidden vault
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I think them showing Daco against NYXL in the clip could be a hint he is going to NYXL

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I don't think bani is going to get signed

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His hope was toronto and houston which isn't gonna happen for both

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And Boston is not possible

karmic grotto
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Daco gone, we all knew

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Nevertheless Reign knows how to release a player

balmy wolf
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I wonder if there's going to be a Japanese esports team for overwatch

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considering that the first organization was established in 2018

hidden vault
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Japanese players aren't that strong so it's unlikely

balmy wolf
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well they just been there for a year

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with more time, they could level up their game associations

trim shadow
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theyre could be a japaneese owl team but more then likely koreans will just flood it

short sparrow
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Yeah, what Japanese players could possibly be picked up to OWL? Haku? Ta1yo?

balmy wolf
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Why not a north korean OWL team lol

trim shadow
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No marketability

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And everyone works all day there so

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Or are starving to death

short sparrow
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They probably can't play western videogames...

celest spear
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Ten, Haku and Ta1yo are likely candidates

balmy wolf
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@trim shadow it was a joke

mint flower
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r/woooosh

night tusk
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Do any juice today?

celest spear
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We've got another Halo tweet

short sparrow
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Hmm... Great?

mint flower
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So this pretty much debunks sasam and woohyal to charge

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Sansam*

celest spear
celest spear
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It does line up with the previous leaks we've gotten from Halo about SHD...
Main tank: Stand1 - Gladiator's Legion
Off tank: Void - Los Angeles Gladiators
DPS: Fleta -Seoul Dynasty
DPS: LiP - BlossoM
Support: LeeJaeGon - Runaway

raw ermine
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jeez poor LA teams and fans

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they spend a lot of money on cod and none left for owl

hidden vault
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well it's not cod but lol

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and is more like they are spending money on another org

alpine narwhal
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Why you leave bani you were best support

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😭😭😭

trim shadow
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Woah woah woah atlanta

hidden vault
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they have 5 dps?

alpine narwhal
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Lol wut why

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Definitely don't need 5 dps

trim shadow
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And the ting is

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We might keep all 5

mint flower
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atlanta currently have babybay, erster, and nlaaer
and leaks say they will pick up edison sharp and jake

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so 6 dps?

raw ermine
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JAKE to ALT?

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LMAO

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that would be sick

trim shadow
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Jake is a rumor

magic zinc
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I want to believe

mint flower
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perhaps

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but then they would have soon, nico, sp9rk1e, xzi, and vizility

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maybe nico will be a backup to hanbin?

magic zinc
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Sparkle has to sit out for a while still

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I was hoping Toronto would promote Vizility for a two way but that ship sailed a while ago

trim shadow
karmic grotto
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???

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what

trim shadow
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Slow

karmic grotto
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Nlaaer gone? Babybay gone?

trim shadow
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Its possible atlanta could have 5 dps

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But the most likely is nlaeer

celest spear
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SharP would have to compete with Babybay, NLaaeR and Edison then

little silo
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i don't think Nlaaer will stay on Atlanta

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there's not a single hero he can play better than any of the new pickups or Erster

short sparrow
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Is Sharpp eligible yet?

celest spear
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His birthday is in December

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So he will be by the start of the season

short sparrow
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Nice!!! :D

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Finally a swedish player will do well in the league

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xD

hidden vault
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Well justice has the Swedish tank duo

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Who would probably do well too?

raw ermine
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and nevix is on TD

pearl stratus
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And you're assuming he'll even play over the two Koreans

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lol

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If nothing else Swedes make good ikea products.

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So he'll probably build his own bench.

celest spear
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Snillo, LulSiSh, Ellivote, Nevix and SharP are the only Swedes in OWL

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There used to be more before the first Alt+F5 off season

limber pine
celest spear
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Beat me to it

raw ermine
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Well Lenn was right

pearl stratus
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It was pretty obvious, he never did anything overall useful in carving his own spot.

limber pine
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it doesn't help that three stages were GOATS

trim shadow
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F for nlaeer

pearl stratus
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I don't buy the goats excuse anymore.

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If you can't adapt, even a little, you have no value.

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It exists in all walks of life.

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Nut up or shut up.

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If Adora can adapt and go to a crazy strong brig from the bench, then a strong DPS, it leaves no excuse for other plays to maintain being useless.

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Sinatraa went from memes to a winning streak no ones seen. The only limitation from these players is their own skill ceiling.

mint flower
karmic grotto
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:(

raw ermine
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Were they not planning to have the world cup this year for a while?

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why not?

celest spear
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According to Sleepy, Coca Cola wanted a World Cup for this year, not Blizzard. Blizz wanted the 2018 World Cup to be the last one.

raw ermine
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Ik that I just found that out, i wanted to know why they wanted it to be the last one

celest spear
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With OWL running later this year compared to last year, as well as the contenders gauntlet in October, Blizz would be cutting it pretty close if they were to do a world cup this year with a traditional format

pearl stratus
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The World Cup is massively expensive, and more and more pros aren't caring

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And for talent scouting, thats why they launched the Gauntlet.

trim shadow
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But the gauntlet needs to kinda be leauge worlds style with 3 reprensitives from each region

celest spear
trim shadow
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well

jagged crater
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the double E dps line

celest spear
trim shadow
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is taimou suffering from the effect effect

limber pine
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Probably tired of ppl saying he should retire

raw ermine
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jesus christ

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just read it all this dude is all over the place

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I hope for the best of course

raw ermine
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He mostly said how awful he feels all the time and how bad he feels he is playing

hidden vault
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This is coming from the guy who used aim bot for widow on stream

mint flower
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oH nO mY sCRiPT

upper niche
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Of course there's another factor he leaves out: Being selected on teams and as a starter has a marketing effect, and these franchises are a business. You don't grow fans by standing fully behind a person who's been fined and warned multiple times for making homophobic remarks.

sullen berry
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Now my only way to get back on track in life is to continue as a pro gamer. Stream is ded, moneys gone and im in debt.
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Taimou noting that being fined by blizz (among other things not mentioned) has burned him of not just his game sense

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now what happened to that suspensions/ban list they would keep updating throughout season 2

supple prism
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wizard is now a coach for Seoul?

pearl stratus
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No

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He's a numbers bitch, not a coach.

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Which is what he's good at

jagged crater
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wiz wizard wiz

sullen berry
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When Wiz and Tydolla should collab is not an unreasonable sentence in OWL

hidden vault
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Why is the general manager the one deciding who and when a team should scrim?

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Shouldn't that be the head coach's job?

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Since he is in charge of providing a training routine for the team?

balmy wolf
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How's that even relate to esports?

little silo
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it wasn't that's why it got deleted

trim shadow
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man i wish grand finals had as much production as leauge of legends worlds grand finals has

mint flower
little silo
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according to Halo the Gladiators signed Paintbrush for some reason

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i don't think he will see much (or any) playtime with Shaz and BigGoose on that roster

celest spear
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Halo had a follow up tweet the Paintbrush popped off in trials

pearl stratus
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Nothing wrong to start grooming a replacement - no one knows the player life time. So carrying a clipboard for a bit isn't a bad idea.

trim shadow
little silo
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good try dude

mint flower
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Yeah isn’t that the original welcome to babybay

trim shadow
sick quiver
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Anyone know what all of the regions participating in this current Overwatch open division practice thing

umbral bone
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if you guys could make a dream team with only 6 players not taking into account language barrier and team chemistry what would it be?

balmy wolf
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Sinatraa
Profit
Choi
Smurf
Viol2t
Moth

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@umbral bone

umbral bone
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k

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pretty much all shock lol

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shock is just bette

balmy wolf
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Exactly

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With a bit of profit bias

blissful heron
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Add striker?

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And pine?

tropic herald
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No

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They aren’t that flexible

pearl stratus
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I'd add Pine.

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You use it to make benches.

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Very useful material.

umbral bone
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6 people

upper niche
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I'd like to see something like Sinatraa, Corey, Kariv, JJonak... and no idea about tanks though.

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Or Sinatraa along Surefour.

balmy wolf
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Mano and choi for tanks

tropic herald
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Kariv JJ is cool but they are both flex supports

karmic grotto
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I think I should be flex support of NYXL

mint flower
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ok

dusty zodiac
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anybody know about Game Arena tournaments in Ohio?

cold pier
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!owl

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!owl2020

karmic grotto
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?

short sparrow
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Revenge released from Spark

mint flower
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So is revenge only released from spark or also bilibili gaming too?

hidden vault
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I don't think he was 2 way

mint flower
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I thought bazzi nosmite and revenge were all two way

hidden vault
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Only bazzi and nosmite if I am not wrong

mint flower
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O ok

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Well in that case I'm even less surprised

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Revenge got like...hardly any playtime

hidden vault
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Also if he is demoted to the academy team it would say so in the tweet

mint flower
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Icic

hidden vault
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But Envy is on contract

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Hmm

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And shanghai annouced

mint flower
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Shanghai may also have 3 offtanks tho

limber pine
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If envy is lft then he’ll be the odd man out

mint flower
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Ya if Shanghai is gonna drop an OT then envy is likely the one

short sparrow
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Envy doesn't seem to work anywhere...

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
short sparrow
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Rise, OnlyWish, Fragi, Bischu and Hotba all released from the Charge

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No Twitter link, only on a Chinese social media

mint flower
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o nice to kno

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none of those are surprising tho

hidden vault
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Lol why would they even want to pick up Fragi or Bischu in the 1st place?

celest spear
mint flower
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bruh didnt rise only just turn 18 sometime during season 2

hidden vault
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They are saying envy to Guangzhou

trim shadow
vale pond
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interesting

limber pine
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Neptuno is too good to not be on a team

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don't @ me

celest spear
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When are we gonna have a Mercy 1v1 between NeptuNo and Yveltal?

trim shadow
hidden vault
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Is nepotuno really good?

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Philly was pretty meh this season? And philly wasn't really playing together

celest spear
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He isn't spectacular but he's better than Chara imo

hidden vault
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Chara probably has more synergy with the rest of the team having played together in contenders and one season in owl

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Unless guangzhou once to break the core up and literrally go international

mint flower
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Im just happy neptuno found a team

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Love the dude

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Also shu and neptuno sounds pog

limber pine
mint flower
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the creativity here...

mint flower
jagged crater
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where is chef heidi going

trim shadow
mint flower
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fragi as a coach?

jagged crater
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i just want rein to be meta before he retires

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so he can go balls to the wall one last time

mint flower
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https://twitter.com/XL2/status/1193982330190401536

XL2 Academy (@XL2)

Today we’re announcing XL2 will be taking a hiatus from Overwatch Contenders. We want to thank our amazing players and staff for their hard work over the last few seasons, and are currently working with other team organizations to ensure they are able to find a new home.

Twitter
limber pine
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hm

jagged crater
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t2 scene 💦

short sparrow
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Why???

limber pine
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probably money

trim shadow
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Even with the new schelduling format for t2 theres still almost no money im it

limber pine
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plus nyxl is all korean anyway

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no point in developing talent with import rules

trim shadow
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Guess thats the same reason for mayhem academy disbanding

limber pine
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yea

mint flower
jagged crater
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t2 scene 😓

trim shadow
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Speedily bianca Ksp and haku deserve chances at owl

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They werent that bad at gauntlet

balmy wolf
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speedily is stuck in contenders land for another 3-4 years due to age

trim shadow
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Oo hes 15 i thought he was 17

celest spear
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Ojee and Speedily are too young

thorn crystal
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bruh

trim shadow
raw ermine
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oh yeah

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We know of 7 returning players

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and there are 10 there

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what about the other 3?

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an OT, maybe another MS or MT

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cause they have enough dps already

celest spear
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OT is probably Bianca

balmy wolf
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Someone already sent it

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Fk me

raw ermine
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Still is hilarious tho

balmy wolf
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Yea

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So we have
Bdosin
Quartermain
Krillin
JMAC
Glister
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Bois we almost at a full spitfire roster

celest spear
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MT: Jmac
OT: Bernar
DPS: Glister
FS: Bdosin and Krillin
MS: Fuze and Quatermain

balmy wolf
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O yeah bernar and fuze

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What about krillin?

celest spear
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I always forget about Krillin

balmy wolf
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Was he released?

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Or still on team

celest spear
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He's still on the team

balmy wolf
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Ok

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Idk what dps player spitfire can get tho

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Water?

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Flower? Or was he resigned to NYXL?

raw ermine
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nah

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He is either lft or retired

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yeah lft

balmy wolf
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So Water or Flower picked up maybe?

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Weekeed

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Wekeed*

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He was rumoured to be joining too

raw ermine
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Who was he playing for?

balmy wolf
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Gen.G

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Maybe they get WooHyaL back

trim shadow
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Water did say he recieved a owl offer

balmy wolf
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LAG I believe

short sparrow
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Pls let Flow3r come back

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He did just fine

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And barely had the time to prove himself ><

celest spear
trim shadow
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m a n d u who?

jagged crater
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where is kaiser

sullen berry
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Probably last person I expected to have it rough.

limber pine
raw ermine
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thank god it isn't Bumper

trim shadow
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tizi got a check and dipped

gaunt acorn
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@raw ermine i wouldn't be so sure just yet

raw ermine
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I think the VT managment saw the backlash from fans and runaway players alike from possibly trading bumper so It hink he will stay and fissure will also come

weak finch
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NYXL should pick hotba up

raw ermine
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It was leaked they might get bianca, not to mention they also tweeted they have there roster done, so that won;t happen likely

trim shadow
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leaked they signed bianca

raw ermine
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does anyone know why so many players make there ingame names female names? Michelle, Bianca, Ria, more I can't think of.

balmy wolf
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I think korean dudes be weird

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or they just like the meme

mint flower
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all team options become free agents tomorrow right?

trim shadow
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today @mint flower

mint flower
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O ok

hidden vault
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I would pick tizi over fissure tbh

sullen berry
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@weak finch not a matter of should, but when

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if the rumors are true

raw hawk
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Hey guys, I am making a presentation on esports in S-Korea for history and i was wondering if you have any books/sourches that are intresting and go into the subject. Was not sure where to post this so I can post somewhere else if that would be better.

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Not necessarily on OW

raw ermine
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I did this last year for school. Just talk about the rise of esports and how it is a growing industry. There aren't very many books on the topic so look online. There are lots of articles and statistics of viewership and revenue made.

balmy wolf
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Maybe talk about a diff game tho as lots of other Esports have much more history, and background, especially in the SK scence, maybe League of Legends (If you're going to go in depth on some examples of esports)

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@raw hawk

short sparrow
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He will probably talk about several

balmy wolf
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Maybe not overwatch and the history is fairly new

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Maybe games like Dota and league would be best imo?

raw ermine
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I did mine on overwatch just cause I knew the most info about it.

celest spear
limber pine
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Rip S1 london

celest spear
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Yep

trim shadow
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wait a minute

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what the fuck

celest spear
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Profit -> Seoul
Hooreg -> Titans
Rascal -> Fuel -> NRG -> Shock
Birdring -> Gladiators
Gesture -> Seoul
Fissure -> Gladiators -> Seoul -> Titans [leaked by Halo]
Fury -> Fusion
Woohyal -> XL2 -> Gen G. -> [And I predict] Seoul
Bdosin -> LFT
Hagopeun -> Mayhem Academy -> Mayhem -> LFT
Closer -> Fuel
NuS -> LFT

limber pine
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London only matched by Florida and Boston in rebuilding

celest spear
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Same with Toronto

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Toronto dumped everyone except RoKy, Logix, and Mangachu

limber pine
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true but toronto has only been around for 1 season

hidden vault
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Technically only RoKy

trim shadow
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jesus fuck london

hidden vault
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The rest are additions for stage 4

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London probably going budget as well

little silo
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I would put shanghai on the rebuild list after Season 1

celest spear
limber pine
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it's a stupid tweet

celest spear
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Nvm Halo just told us who it was

balmy wolf
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just tell us you have signed Gen.G

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GOOD RIDDANCE FCTFCTION

hidden vault
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Wait so london is sending us a series of codes to tell us who they signed?

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WOW

limber pine
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i think the hints/announcements of announcements have hit an absurd level

balmy wolf
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spitfire may not have the best team in S3, but they have the best offseason leaks

trim shadow
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who the fuck is sanguinar

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dude doesnt even have a liquidpedia

balmy wolf
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guys i have a dilema. so my favorite team was vancouver titans, but now its nyxl because i live like right outside new york, but i also really love vancouver and want to live there. should where i live dictate what my favorite owl team is?

trim shadow
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it shouldnt

hidden vault
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Hmm you should just go with what you like

trim shadow
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but more then likely it will

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so like both teams

hidden vault
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Even though the cities are used to help people decide

balmy wolf
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thats illegal

celest spear
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@trim shadow He's a main support for Gen G.'s T3 team

trim shadow
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what

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what the fuck is that move london?

celest spear
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shrug

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The only player that I think has come out of OD and impressed was Fits

short sparrow
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Oh, FCTFCTN is gone? 😦

celest spear
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He posted an LFT ages ago

short sparrow
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I liked the guy...

balmy wolf
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He was cheeks

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So bad

trim shadow
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this dude better have popped off hard in london trials

limber pine
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SanGuiNar

trim shadow
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hell go ahead london sign the whole fucking roster since ur apperantly the new boston

limber pine
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remember that they pulled Krillin from OD

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so they have a history of finding talent

trim shadow
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but will krillin actually succeed in a start position

celest spear
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only time will tell

mint flower
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is krillin main support or flex support?

celest spear
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flex support

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Sanguinar and FuZe are main supports

trim shadow
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ive loss about 3 blood vessels trying to understand theese london moves

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cause they have pavane agape snt as coaches

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they have 2 former academy players krillin and a everyday korean from t3

balmy wolf
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@trim shadow T3??

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They have krillin, bernar, fuze, glister, jmac, sanguinar

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5/6 are on Academy teams

trim shadow
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Nice reading

balmy wolf
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So who's the T3 player then smart ass

trim shadow
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SaNgUiAR

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KrIlLiN

balmy wolf
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Krillin isnt T3 dumbass

trim shadow
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Hur hurr to prove a point i must curse

balmy wolf
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Dumbass isnt cursing 😂😂😂

celest spear
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Krillin was T3

balmy wolf
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He was lower than T3

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Now he is T1 tho

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So

trim shadow
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Doesnt matter London are on full budget and they can easily@suck ass

balmy wolf
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Sounds like someone is salty asf

trim shadow
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Glister is the only proven player

balmy wolf
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JMAC is??

trim shadow
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I dont know who jmac is or seen vods

celest spear
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Jmac is T2

trim shadow
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He was a t1 player is all ik

celest spear
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He plays in CN contenders

balmy wolf
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Played for LGE.Huya

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Won 2 seasons of CN contenders in a row

trim shadow
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Contenders was impossible to watch

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With goats

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To mei reaper

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To double shield

celest spear
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I'd much rather have GOATs than double shield

trim shadow
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Wouldnt have neither

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Fuck both

balmy wolf
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Damn who hurt you

trim shadow
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?

celest spear
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LAG twitter posted

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MirroR to Gladiators

limber pine
trim shadow
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Dudes like top 10 dps on ladder so

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MonkaS

coarse axle
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@trim shadow stop babyraging so hard abt london

trim shadow
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What woods did u come from?

coarse axle
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wehhh wehhh

karmic grotto
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?????

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huh

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HOW

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Birdring, mirror

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aren't they both hitscan?

celest spear
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Birdring plays everything

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Mirror plays projectile and has a good Widow

balmy wolf
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When are do rosters need to be confirmed by

limber pine
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8 players by Friday

balmy wolf
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Well do spitfire really need to officially prove their own leaks of "Glistering Water Melpn"

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It's pretty obvious tbh

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Do they need 8 announced by friday? Or just 8 confirmed with blizzard

limber pine
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just confirmed

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they can announce whenever

balmy wolf
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Ok so they could like be announced the day before OWL starts(

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?

limber pine
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theoretically they could do that if they wanted to yeah

balmy wolf
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But that'd just be a dck move

trim shadow
cloud latch
limber pine
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Didn’t expect that

delicate yarrow
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Me neither

karmic grotto
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What the

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Nobody expected that

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🤔

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When you had such superior hack fist duo, and you split them up

trim shadow
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Nope

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Thats a troll

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Nope nope nope

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Dallas is gonna remain pepega

karmic grotto
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Doha, Gamsu, Decay

delicate yarrow
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Dallas roster is just going to implode

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Imo

balmy wolf
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ok I didn't expect doha on fuel

karmic grotto
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Dallas finally becoming NOT pepega?

delicate yarrow
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Way too many ppl competing for playtime

trim shadow
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Pretty sure dallas is now roster limit

balmy wolf
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Someone is getting dropped

delicate yarrow
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Yeah, at 12 rn

trim shadow
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But i think dallas is aiming for the san fransicso method

delicate yarrow
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San Fran worked really well together. Not sure if Dallas can do the same

balmy wolf
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Very few teams can do what san fran did with their roster

delicate yarrow
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Is Note good on Sig? I didn't watch Canada in the WC

balmy wolf
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WC is not really a good indicator on how players are doing in the OWL

delicate yarrow
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Fair, but did he look comfortable on the hero?

balmy wolf
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I say hes fine on the hero, synergy was just bad so he looked bad.

delicate yarrow
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Gotcha

balmy wolf
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But yea, that doha signing is pretty huge

trim shadow
#

I refuse to believe

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Gamsu/note/doha/decay/closer/unkoe

upper niche
#

The main reason for announcing players is for marketing reasons.

celest spear
raw ermine
#

Erster Edison

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not to bad

celest spear
#

Erster, Edison, Gator, Hawk, Masaa, Dogman

#

Looks kinda stacked

trim shadow
#

Sharp is suppose to be next

upper niche
#

Bdosin a Free Agent and LFT? Hmm

celest spear
#

LFT

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He and Quater "mutually parted ways" with LDSF

trim shadow
#

Wonder if hell peak again with diem and dding as his dps partners

celest spear
#

It'll probably be diem + Fleta 99% of the time

mint flower
#

YO POG

celest spear
#

DDing's Hero pool mostly consists of just Pharah + Sombra

#

both of those are covered very well by both diem and Fleta

trim shadow
#

jesus

balmy wolf
#

those buyouts are pretty expensive

trim shadow
#

how much was fucking clud 9 paying gesture and profit

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id imagine they both wouldve had 200k+ contracts

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And to make it worse cloud 9 is going budget after getting 1 million from gen.g
what the fuck?

balmy wolf
#

i mean 1 million is not enough to get a star roster

#

Lets see, the space trade probs cost glads around $600k for 1 player.

#

Contract buyout was around $400k and then his new salary is $200k a yr probs.

upper niche
#

Interesing quote in that thread: "The reason RJH hasn't been announced is because of salary cap issues with no one taking bumper. That's what my contact is hearing. Who knows if that's actually true."

balmy wolf
#

Actually dropping bumper for fissure is such an odd move

upper niche
#

@balmy wolf WTF, you think Space cost Glads $600k?! Not a chance.

balmy wolf
#

?

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His buyout alone was rumored to be $400k

tropic herald
#

Space is the best western OT he’s gonna go high

balmy wolf
#

Pay 200k for the contract, 200k for his salary. Then actually give him the glad salary which is probs 150-200k.

#

So yea, very expensive.

#

Fleta was rumored to be bought out for $500k

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In the reddit thread.

#

Good players are not cheap.

karmic grotto
#

????

balmy wolf
#

Well having another projectile dps isnt all bad

hexed igloo
#

assuming flower and pine dont leave a 3 proj and 3 hitscan dps lineup isnt bad

#

i wouldnt complain about it

balmy wolf
#

Flower is probs leaving the team.

hexed igloo
#

actually with pine possiblity swapping to flexsupport this still looks like a good dps lineup

balmy wolf
#

that too

balmy wolf
#

Flower already left

#

LFT is not the same as actually leaving the team.

karmic grotto
#

Water is caught again in a scrim with London (3rd time), with this time Schwi in it.

#

London likely to sign Water from his trial

trim shadow
#

woah woah halo

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alright your pushing it

#

whoru can go to any team and he chose new york

hidden vault
#

Really? I wouldn't pick whoru if I am in any team

slender lance
#

Anybody else think that Dallas should get a better off tank or is that just me

#

Note is good but he didn't impress me much

hidden vault
#

Probably

#

But dallas' issue isnt the tanks

#

But the coaching

slender lance
#

Yeah

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I don't think it's aero

#

I think it could be how many they have

#

They have like 5 right?

hidden vault
#

Not sure

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But he is partly responsible

#

Not matter what

#

He is after all the head coach

celest spear
#

They have 4 coaches now, and each coach worked with particular players last season.
It was....
Aero (Head coach)
Vol'Jinn (Assistant coach)
Cocco/Daemon (Tanks)
Jayne (Supports)
Tikatee (DPS)
According to Jayne, they stopped doing that around stage 2/3 because it wasn't working out. In the end, Dallas has too many cooks in the kitchen.

karmic grotto
#

Why even having this many coaches?

#

Don't most teams have one head coach, and that's it?

limber pine
#

some have like a player development coach

hidden vault
#

And assistant coaches

limber pine
#

yea

#

but dallas has the most by far

hidden vault
#

Maybe 3 coaches of each role doesn't work out

#

They could try 6 coaches for each specific role

#

:p

trim shadow
#

dallas already has one of the biggest staff's not just coaches but managers as well so

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
hidden vault
karmic grotto
#

F

hidden vault
#

kept bumper

celest spear
#

Titans is looking to get rid of Bumper too and pick up Fissure iirc

balmy wolf
#

Fl0wer is not only LFT. He is FA/LFT on Twitter. So he left NY.

trim shadow
celest spear
#

It's Schwi from Runaway

trim shadow
#

Or yaki

karmic grotto
#

No

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It's Schwi

#

Like I said earlier, a screenshot where Schwi and Water were in London Scrim

mint flower
#

any second now florida

trim shadow
mint flower
#

gargoyle is OT right?

trim shadow
#

ye

grand night
#

nice

balmy wolf
#

its not

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not schwi ^

#

for spitfire

mint flower
#

then who is it?

balmy wolf
#

They said "The answer begins with the letter m and finishes with a y"

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and rhymes with pot rally

#

Idk what this means ^^

#

But year pretty sure its schwi lol I just found something

mint flower
celest spear
analog lark
#

who is paintbrush?

celest spear
#

Main support from Mayhem Academy and Revival

analog lark
#

that explains it, didn't neither of those teams do real well?

short sparrow
#

Mayhem did fine

#

They FU before those guys left for Korea

celest spear
#

Paintbrush apparently did well in open tryouts

raw ermine
#

@short sparrow they what FU? Beat?

celest spear
#

Yeah, they were the only team to beat Fusion Univeristy in the regular contenders season

#

That team consisted of:
Mangachu
Shax
FCTFCTN
Mannenten
Epzz
and Paintbrush

short sparrow
#

Yeah, they beat FU, soz xD

trim shadow
#

Tour when?

mint flower
short sparrow
#

Pog

hidden vault
#

Someone posted this

trim shadow
mint flower
mint flower
sullen berry
raw ermine
#

Nice

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Good for him

limber pine
#

he's an upgrade over Chara

#

IMO

mint flower
#

Agreed

limber pine
#

not gonna lie, guangzhou looking pretty good

trim shadow
#

So they found a buyer for bumper id assume

limber pine
#

or they bought him out

#

well

#

maybe with reinhardt ptr changes bumper will be a commodity

trim shadow
#

Rein has a 70% chance to be meta after those buffs so yea

#

But i wonder who bought him out

sullen berry
#

bumper's orisa, that would be fun to watch

#

playing orisa on you can be more independent with a pocket support to get picks instead of some flimsy dps

#

if the PTR patch buffing armor holds up

hidden vault
#

Probably 90 lol

raw ermine
#

70%?where did that come from

hidden vault
#

Rusha's head

raw ermine
#

I wouldn't mine a straight rein Zarya meta

#

No goats

#

Rein Zarya's with either moira or Ana , lucio or zen and whatever dps

hidden vault
#

Brig

#

Since the armour buff

#

But probably only niche picks

#

If it's rein zarya definately lucio

#

Maybe even zen

balmy wolf
#

At pro play

#

probably the Ana

celest spear
#

Ana + Lucio would be better for deathball imo

trim shadow
#

I say 70% because even tho blizzard is making sigma orisa and rein more dependant on there kits then there shields

#

They made Orisa tankier and more brawlier so that when her shield does go down she doesnt fall ovee

#

And sigma has more surviveability

#

The problem is that doom reaper and mei just got even more power creep

limber pine
#

but armor is more powerful now

trim shadow
#

I would think hitscans will come back into play but As he just said armor is more powerful

limber pine
#

his damage is back to being cut in half

trim shadow
#

Also dva got her regular d matrix cooldown back

#

So i wonder if thatll put her back in the meta but sigma just has more utility?...kinda

#

And a better ult

#

I wonder if sigma MT with dva OT will be a thing

raw ermine
#

I thought zen cause of the new speed buffs for rein and steadfast buffs for him also hurt lucio .you won't need the speed boost as much

hidden vault
#

Nope regular is 1 sec

#

This is .5 more

hidden vault
raw ermine
#

Jehong>Rapel

vernal obsidian
#

who?

limber pine
#

neither will play with Twilight starting

minor flame
#

My prediction for viable comps is

#

Double Sniper

#

Hackfist

#

Rein Zarya

#

Dive will probably prevail in there too

#

So were basically going back to death of goats time

raw ermine
#

Doom will struggle in the rein zarya mirror cause of the steadfast buffs

#

Dive might struggle against mei reaper despite the armour buffs

#

And yeah twilight's is the best flex in the league so no jehong

minor flame
#

My prediction ngl

#

Is Rein Zarya/Sig Mei Reaper Moira Lucio/Brig as meta comp

#

Sig is a little sketchy though

#

But Hackfist still seems like a viable choice

#

Idi

mint flower
limber pine
#

with rapel official gone, it makes sense

hidden vault
#

Why wouldn't jehong stay in seoul lol

short sparrow
#

So Highly to Spitfire

#

Ok...

limber pine
#

i don't think jehong had a choice in staying or going

next mesa
#

no dudeeeeeee

#

why did jehong

#

fricking

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
balmy wolf
#

crong actually got picked up, nice

trim shadow
#

Jehong more then likely wants to win

#

And id imagine vancouver gave him a decent contract

balmy wolf
#

ummm

#

I just saw something on a reply on that spitfire post

#

I cant send pictures tho

trim shadow
#

copy the link of the tweet

balmy wolf
#

Read the replys

#

The person that they are talking about

#

Is bdosin

trim shadow
#

london said they are going high places so they signed highly it is possible a trade couldve happened so bdosin can stay with profit and gesture

balmy wolf
#

Not on about the seoul thing

#

Apparantly Bdosin cheated on his gf with a minor??

trim shadow
#

oh..i highly doubt that

#

no pun attended

#

it wouldve blown the moment someone found out

balmy wolf
#

That's what I thought

#

Well apparently isnt even, since theres nothing on him at all.

trim shadow
#

id imagine 90% of the owl players keep there relationships locked under lock and key

#

especially after effects semi abusive relationship with his ex got leaked

next mesa
#

it doesnt make sense why would titans sign jehong

#

when they have twilight already

balmy wolf
#

well backups are a thing that everyone should have

trim shadow
#

the thing is

#

if barriers are getting weaker

#

and armor is getting stronger

#

that means ana and bap will more then likely thrown back into the meta

trim shadow
#

so apperantly in 2 weeks theres a showmatch between all of the china teams at esm shanghai

raw ermine
#

all OWL chinese teams?

#

or contenders

trim shadow
raw ermine
#

yessssss

#

OWL

pulsar raft
#

hi

raw ermine
#

the shock made a move

#

interesting

gaunt acorn
trim shadow
#

1.whos beasly
2. what happened to the houston real estate guy

#

yo beasly is not even a houston org
there based in florida

gaunt acorn
#

negotiations with the real estate guy (lee zieben) fell through

celest spear
#

Beaaly owns Renegades iirc

mint flower
#

have there been any reports of bdosin cheating on his gf with a minor?

#

or just this one guy on twitter

raw ermine
#

I remember seeing that

#

never heard anything about it

trim shadow
#

df was lee asking for that it fell through?

#

well im gonna assume it was something on immortals side that they were asking of lee

#

along with blizzard

trim shadow
mint flower
mint flower
minor flame
#

What?

mint flower
trim shadow
#

uh

#

what

#

hotba i understand

#

r a i n?

short sparrow
#

No

#

Valiant why??? ;_;

#

You technically still have Custa

#

Just try to keep him

limber pine
#

I like how Flame seems upset that people didn't know danteh was re-signed, but Houston had to put out an official notice about it yesterday

trim shadow
#

Florida Kuki GangNamJin, Yaki
Washington Hotba
Seoul waiting for Bdosin’s FA status
NYXL Whoru, Bianca
GuangZhou Cr0ng
London Schwi, Ritz, Water
LAG Qoq
Houston Meko Unique MCD
Dallas Rapel

#

meko unique mcd is cursed

#

but then again its harsha

celest spear
#

If the Houston leak is accurate, then we truly are in the darkest timeline

trim shadow
#

i said the off season was gonna be crazy

#

but not that fucking crazy

#

we already have london going full budget

#

gesture and profit on seoul

#

a bloody canadian super team

#

fissure and rjh now coming out of retirement

#

dallas actually making good moves

#

and now houston is apperantly gonna get meko [not so sure on mcd] and unique

hidden vault
#

Jehong never retired

trim shadow
#

fissure coming out of retirement*

hexed igloo
#

Esca bout to get out of retirement to show these fools how to actually play

raw ermine
#

Miro next?

trim shadow
#

freefeel please

raw ermine
#

Didn't Zunba mention he was trying out for a team?

#

And he was hopeful about it

limber pine
raw ermine
#

yeah

trim shadow
#

oof

hidden vault
#

Esca is serving his military service it isn't really retirement

raw ermine
#

bruh

short sparrow
#

Bruh

limber pine
raw ermine
#

hmm

#

interesting

trim shadow
#

scus me

#

coach???

celest spear
#

Hooreg will teach players the power of the bench

hidden vault
#

coach with my body?

#

I guess English isn't their 1st language

#

but tbh he could play if he wants

#

he is still a really good player

trim shadow
swift moth
#

is decay still with the gladiators?

hidden vault
#

decay is with the fuel

swift moth
#

wait no he with fuel I think

hidden vault
#

yeah

swift moth
#

wack

karmic grotto
#

But he was already

#

there

swift moth
#

wdym

#

I just discovered this

#

maybe he was already signed

karmic grotto
#

He IS indeed already signed

swift moth
#

but I did not know about it

#

i delet the twet

trim shadow
#

Bischu came back to the bench monkaS

hexed igloo
#

POguU

slender lance
#

We got our bench boy back

#

He is just there to fill the 8th spot I think

limber pine
#

yup

karmic grotto
#

Babybye

jagged crater
#

still upset zunba didnt get a chance to play even during goats when zarya was so dominant

#

guess it's tru the old guard is mostly bench material nowadays, surpassed by the young guns

trim shadow
#

Atlants dps is babybay erster sharp edison

#

@karmic grotto its nlaeer bye*

#

Cant lie

#

Atlanta has the best looking roster

karmic grotto
#

Do they?

#

hmm

jagged crater
#

best dps lineup

#

overalll roster not sure

#

reminds me of how shock got 5 dps and became best team

trim shadow
#

Id say overall

jagged crater
#

but they had choi the secret weapon

trim shadow
#

Our weak points is supports

#

Dog doesnt have a backup or masaa

jagged crater
#

if atlanta has a god tier non-dps player, i could see it happening

#

doggo man

trim shadow
#

Scus me

#

Gator and hawk?

jagged crater
#

not seeing it yet

trim shadow
#

The disrespext

slender lance
#

I think altanta will be very strong

trim shadow
#

Between toronto atlanta And ill add on seoul

slender lance
#

They have solid players in each role

trim shadow
#

They have all passed the eye test

#

And im@not tryna be biased as a atlanta fan

#

Atlanta looks really fucking god

slender lance
#

How good is glad looking

#

I haven't been keeping up

jagged crater
#

atlanta is above average for sure

trim shadow
#

Mid table

jagged crater
#

but not quite sure if i would put them shock tier

trim shadow
#

Oge bischu space birdring mirror paintbrush shaz goose

jagged crater
#

good players, chemistry questionable

trim shadow
#

It is a roster that could breakout

#

But like cowboy just said how will it fuze

jagged crater
#

all depend how they gel together

#

like how fusion a roster of mixed nationalities and lesser known players

#

in s1

#

it could work out

slender lance
#

I know everyone's potential except mirror

trim shadow
#

Im more concerned if birdring will find his form@ahain

slender lance
#

How good is he

trim shadow
#

Hes like

#

On ladder

#

A. Top 10 dps

#

Ofc hes from contenders but

jagged crater
#

did wub retire

slender lance
#

Birdeings inconsistency does worry me a bid tho

jagged crater
#

dam too early 😦

slender lance
#

bit*

trim shadow
#

Between dallas Houston philly and valiant theese are the rosters you should be concerned about

slender lance
#

Valiant is expect to suck in my opinion

trim shadow
#

Dallas made good signings but theyre core is still that 1-13 roster that went 0-7

#

And the same coaches

slender lance
#

Especially if they are going cheap

jagged crater
#

we havent seen birdring on form in a whle

karmic grotto
#

Nothing wrong with Fusion

trim shadow
#

Houston is the same but apperanty theyre signing Meko Mcd and unique

#

Which is baffling

karmic grotto
#

Fusion will be king of Dive

trim shadow
#

Philly could break because how the fuck will sado carpe alarm funnyastro fury mix

karmic grotto
#

_> hopefully

#

If dives comes back :)

#

But even then, a new hero will appea

trim shadow
#

I forget who carpe’s dps partner is

jagged crater
#

eqo

karmic grotto
#

eqp

slender lance
#

Funnyastro will just be moth

trim shadow
#

But even then carpe is inconsistent

karmic grotto
#

EQP

#

Who else does Fusion have as dps?

slender lance
#

Ivy

karmic grotto
#

Ah

trim shadow
#

Oh yea

karmic grotto
#

mixed roster they can go

trim shadow
#

No it will@be carpe ivy

karmic grotto
#

Depending on map

#

Like Shock

slender lance
#

Astro is the odd one out most of the time

jagged crater
#

carpe looks like he wants to play with koreans

slender lance
#

Since he will be playing every match

jagged crater
#

so a carpe ivy starting duo could be a thing

#

coope

slender lance
#

I see that happening

jagged crater
#

that's just me judging from how he always duos with koreans, never with his non-korean teammates

#

even koreans from other teams

#

whenever i see those fusion vidoes, carpe is always in the background

trim shadow
#

Wonder why the london deal fell through

#

Or london thought glister and schwi were better

#

And i guess new york decided whoru was better as well

jagged crater
#

peak saying orisa/sigma are trash

#

hello

limber pine
#

it seems at least immediately that the meta is map specific

celest spear
#

From numlocked's PUGs yesterday, we saw Winston + Dva, Winston + Ball, Orisa + Hog, Orisa + Sigma, Rein + Dva and Rein + Zarya

#

We only saw Orisa + Sigma and Orisa + Hog once or twice

limber pine
#

Winston Orisa now on defense too

jagged crater
#

so too small sample size, just trying out all diff combos

#

early patch meta is often the best time to play OW because everyone is experimenting

#

no cookie cutter comp to strive for yet, give it a month or 2 to develop

limber pine
#

yea

trim shadow
#

@celest spear so what ur telling me

#

Were back to a open meta

#

Of counter picking

jagged crater
#

wonder if players would be happy about a constant changing meta so it never gets stale

#

like a major balance change every month

trim shadow
#

You would be proving mark cuban right

#

And we dont wanna prove mark cuban right

jagged crater
#

😦

trim shadow
#

At least for na esports

jagged crater
#

they can try it out for a couple months

#

then stop when players get sick of it

trim shadow
#

Also youd be turning overwatxh into fortnite with a meta shifting every othwr week

limber pine
#

running winston as a second main tank seems intriguing

trim shadow
#

Any winston ball dive?

limber pine
#

they're running it now on control

trim shadow
#

Chengdu will be the best at it then

#

No doubt in my mind

#

They might run it every map

jagged crater
#

OW's meta gets criticized for taking too long to change, maybe they should shorten them major balance intervals

#

even the most reminisced dive was shittalked for taking too long

raw ermine
#

Bischu returns!

#

Is that the owl player who went on a team, left to another, and then came back?

celest spear
#

Yep

#

It almost happened to Custa too

trim shadow
raw ermine
#

Sideshow predicted this pickup

vernal obsidian
#

imagine if sinatraa was bought out of sf shock

short sparrow
#

Nope

#

I refuse to imagine that

raw ermine
#

He would be leaving a superteam, at team with synergy, a huge fanbase, and that would require sfs to trade him, which will never happen for the foreseeable future

jagged crater
#

hotdaddy

raw ermine
celest spear
#

So that leaves Fuel w/ 3 coaches

#

Aero, Vol'Jinn and Tikatee

trim shadow
#

Dalls is fucked

#

Capital F fucked

gritty dawn
mint flower
#

dallas has always found ways to fuck themselves

short sparrow
#

:( feelssadman

balmy wolf
#

my fave team too :<

jagged crater
#

dont think jayne wouldve helped much, think he's better off as a content creator

trim shadow
#

Jayne is a pretty good coach

#

Not head coach material

#

Hes basically canadian pavane

#

The other 2 coaches arent shit

#

Daemon and that other guy

#

And then theres aero with his questiomanle decisions

raw ermine
#

tikatee?

jagged crater
#

what makes jayne a better coach than the other ones? We didn't really see what happened behind the scenes

celest spear
#

He was the one coaching the supports for a greater part of the season. The support line for Fuel was always pretty solid.

trim shadow
#

If anythinf

#

The shine on dallas was the supports

celest spear
#

Fuel's problems were really just:
-Too many coaches (they had 5)
-Banking on Effect staying
-Shotcalling (Closer is vocal but just not in English, as he's still learning it. Taimou is their shotcaller but he's far too streaky to keep in game. Gamsu kinda fills that void)

  • OGE and uNKOE tilt easily
karmic grotto
#

Oke so

#

Jayne gone means

#

Better coaching now?

#

No more overcoaching

celest spear
#

It only leaves Aero, Vol'Jinn and Tikatee

#

based off of the WC, I'd probably get rid of the last one

#

It does solve over coaching quiet a bit though since there are only 3 left

jagged crater
#

jayne seems better creating content because he was hella stressed coaching the dallas fuel

celest spear
#

that too

jagged crater
#

he did not react to media criticism well

#

which is something you should be able to take if you're coaching

trim shadow
#

Jayne leaving means less good coaching

#

Jayne did the rookie coach mistake of listening to the media thats why he got stresses

jagged crater
#

even then, his personality revolves around taking a lot of input from many people and it can get to him if it's too negative

#

you can tell from his stream he really enjoys interacting with everyone, not just the pros

balmy flower
#

which teams have the best coaches besides sf shock?

balmy wolf
#

glads seem to have a pretty stacked coaching staff

#

paris as well

trim shadow
#

But there roster isnt stacked

#

Paris and san fran are the only team stacked with coaches and players

balmy wolf
#

glads roster is pretty top tier

trim shadow
#

Mid*

balmy wolf
#

their a top 10 team most likely

#

just like the past 2 years

trim shadow
#

11th for me

balmy wolf
#

and if the rumors are tru, glads are getting QOQ

balmy wolf
#

hi, I’ve been busy with school and haven’t been keeping up with the league so much! but can anyone tell me if NYXL has released any players?

short sparrow
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Meko and Flow3r

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They got Hotba

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And probably will get Whoru

balmy wolf
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aw :c I liked those two

short sparrow
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Same :(

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They also let go of Pavane

balmy wolf
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:cccc now I’m mega sad

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as a nyxl fan it really is sad to see them go