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analog lark
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I wouldn't, a lot of these orgs make their bank from merchandise sales

forest raven
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Literally no team will ever sign DK ever

analog lark
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I see a miniscule chance, he could turn it around like Dafran did

forest raven
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No

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Dafran threw a game

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DK is a pedophile

trim shadow
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someone in contenders will just like how xqc landed gladiators legion

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hell babybay was a csgo hacker before he joined owl

forest raven
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Again

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Not comparable

trim shadow
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actually babybay was that one guy that got vac'd middle of a pro game

forest raven
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DK was grooming a 14 year old girl to have sex with him

trim shadow
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im not even gonna get into that..its 9 in the morning and im practicing overwatch

analog lark
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I seriously wanna talk about toronto and their massive moves they're making

trim shadow
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!!owl2020

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!owl2020

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!!owl2020

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i believe thats bloody mod command or i cant spell

analog lark
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Like, if they pick up a solid OT to back up beasthalo and a good main support to play lucio they'll be great, the dps department looks solid af

forest raven
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Logix/Surefour HyperS

trim shadow
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beast is a MT

analog lark
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I know he is

trim shadow
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the next signing is suppose to be nevix unless he changed his mind

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so it would shape up beast halo s4 agil mangachu and some supports i forgot about

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kariv

analog lark
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Beasthalo/Nevix seems solid

trim shadow
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how did i forget kariv

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and they dont have a MS

mint flower
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Kellex is rumored

analog lark
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They have Roky

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But

trim shadow
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roky is 2 way

forest raven
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Nevix OT would be mighty spicy

analog lark
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It's roky

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Yeah 2 way

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But it's roky

mint flower
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I want neptuno on toronto

trim shadow
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i would sign someone like fdgod or crusade

analog lark
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Oh right i gotta catch up on contenders

visual cedar
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I'm gonna miss surefour pepehands

forest raven
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I'm a toronto fan now

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With surefour gone from glads

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Glads dead team

visual cedar
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They still have Bigahaz

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shaz*

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My favorite teams are now Gladiators and Defiant pepelaugh

mint flower
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I'm Toronto shanghai

analog lark
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I uh, liked the Valiant

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Not anymore since all the players i like are gone

visual cedar
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I liked Valiant last year too

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that's part of why I like Toronto now

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agilities and kariv

analog lark
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Same here, Toronto is looking to be my favorite team

visual cedar
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Justice picking up R0ar MoodThonk

analog lark
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I also like the spark

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
mint flower
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I like Toronto cuz it basically my hometown team

visual cedar
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Florida Mayhem pepelaugh

analog lark
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Hangzhou spark's twitter is like 90% the reason i made a Twitter account

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I loved their weekly match artwork

visual cedar
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Just follow them on insta weirdchamp

analog lark
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Hell to the fuck no

mint flower
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Lol

visual cedar
limber pine
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Shanghai busy today (allegedly)

trim shadow
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ooo stand1

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thats spicy

upper hawk
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Surefour is on Toronto

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kill me

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Lost Hydration and Surefour. If LAG dont make a big pick up on dps theyre screwed

raw ermine
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In that case res me cause I am happyyyyyy

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Yeah and decay

upper hawk
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Decay cant do it alone

raw ermine
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Decay is gone

upper hawk
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fuuuuuuu

raw ermine
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Yeah

upper hawk
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i missed that one. to where?

raw ermine
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They have oge now

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To Dallas for oge

upper hawk
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ohhh ok

raw ermine
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So not all bad but there 3 big dps are gone

upper hawk
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yeah they didnt get any in return for that deal either

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yes they needed to fix the tanks but they gave up the entire soul of the team

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oh shit Shanghai got Fleta

hidden vault
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Hmm Stand1 not Fate?

upper hawk
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as well as Stand1, LeeJaeGon and Lip

trim shadow
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they have diya dding fleta and lip

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lip is a backup

pearl stratus
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Still have diem too

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
limber pine
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i'd assume they'd drop diya

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*not pick up his option

pearl stratus
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Or they end up dropping another OT, since they have the void rumor too.

limber pine
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that means geguri I assume

pearl stratus
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Geguri would be a fan hit, and Envy isn't noticeably better than her on any OT.

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I could see them removing Envy, leaving Geguri but playing Void.

little silo
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will probably keep Geguri for the fans

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envy just didnt impress

trim shadow
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wait when did the void join shanghai?

little silo
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rumors

pearl stratus
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He's a rumor

trim shadow
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i mean yea hes a step up over envy

little silo
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Void and his KDP buddies

pearl stratus
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I could also see them keeping Diya just because Diya.

trim shadow
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but if ur gonna get a ot you need someone to back up him so i would keep envy and put geguri on the academy squad

pearl stratus
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He's probably on a low end salary, and makes chinese fans happy

little silo
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Why put Geguri in Contenders instead of Envy

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"Hey guys our main jersey seller isnt really playing for us anymore"

pearl stratus
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In a pure OT question she's as good as Envy. Envy was useful because he could flex to DPS things.

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But that doesn't exist anymore.

trim shadow
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envy is the safer bet

little silo
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why

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The fans love Geguri

trim shadow
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like endo just said flexbility

pearl stratus
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he's not flexible anymore

little silo
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which is useless

pearl stratus
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That doesn't exist.

trim shadow
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sometimes you have to value your competitives over ur well likeness

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flexible among tanks dps doesnt matter all that much

pearl stratus
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He'll never flex to Sombra again.

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So his reason for being picked up is gone.

little silo
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then why keep envy if you want to be highly competitive

pearl stratus
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If you're comparing them you're just comparing their OT's only at this point.

trim shadow
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i dont really see geguri dva over envy dva unless geguri has secretly been in the hyperbolic chamber practicing sigma

little silo
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Geguri Dva is solid

pearl stratus
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It's the same as Envy's, both are mid line not amazing.

little silo
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Her hog looked good the few times she played it too

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no clue about her sigma

trim shadow
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void is still 1 step above them on all on those heros tbh

pearl stratus
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No clue about Envy's either, didn't get to see it.

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However we do know Geguri can also play Orisa + Ball.

little silo
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he played sigma against London

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didnt show up too much though

trim shadow
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i feel the 2020 meta will envolve sigma alot more so you gonna need someone who knows how to play him..now if its double shield idk..i dont even know how you balance double ship

little silo
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or it will just nerf him and make some other tank amazing

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you cant go by feel

pearl stratus
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If it comes down to a raw mechanical hero I actually trust Geguri more than Envy.

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She's the stronger mechanical player.

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Reddit trying to say Fleta covers Dding's hero pool. Big oof.

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Fleta and Dding are nothing alike realistically.

limber pine
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their owl hero pool is literally nothing alike

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but we only had really 2 metas in Season 2

pearl stratus
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Yeah, people are thinking Fleta is a replacement and Dding will be replaced/traded.

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I'm just imaging pairing Dding + Fleta/Diem as a trio.

little silo
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Dding is amazing in certain situations but lacked flexibility (just like the rest of shanghais dps). Fleta can cover some of his weak spots

pearl stratus
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Exactly. Not a replacement, a compliment.

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Fleta is also one of the dps who plays just dps.

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Not projectile, not hitscan

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Just DPS.

hidden vault
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Probably see that for support and tank roles likes that in the future

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No off flex and main

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Just tank dps support

limber pine
balmy wolf
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bad tweet

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but good for happy to stay

limber pine
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GZC's social media person needs a crash course

balmy wolf
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the smirk they used implies they're proud of that joke but christ is it bad

limber pine
karmic grotto
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hmm, will they finally announce their new dps and tank line?

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They have Bernar, Fuze, Bdosin, Quatermain, Krillin

limber pine
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i suspect they're going to pull a lot from contenders

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or free agent leftovers

karmic grotto
limber pine
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all the koreans of note are staying in Pacific

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runaway mostly to florida

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EM mostly to Paris

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they'll get like munchkin and Janus

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I got it

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Fissure will return to London

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and be the all mighty god tank king

karmic grotto
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It's not impossible

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He can still return and teach people the original Bumper of the OWL

minor flame
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Shanghai getting alot of new ones if rumors are true

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Though I hear Lip isnt a very good player

trim shadow
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Londons roster is gonna be interesting

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Without profit and bird and gesture

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And i think nus left as well

echo quest
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I think OWWC will get cancelled

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Next year

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Shit is fucking garbage

limber pine
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as long as there's blizzcon, they'll do a world cup

trim shadow
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Pretty much

limber pine
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I actually like the format a lot

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of this year

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the presentation left a lot to be desired tho

minor flame
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Crusty seemed to have

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An awful experience at owwc

limber pine
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yeah

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The only thing I'd change about the format is double elimination in the first round

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I think a team like Italy could have made it past sweden had they not had a marathon of a match against Japan.

trim shadow
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Double elim wouldve kinda extended it by a day

limber pine
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yup

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I would have liked to see it extended a day

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like I said, it certainly needed to be better managed

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but I think it can be better next year

short sparrow
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Guys, I'm so hyped about the Charge

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They've announced...

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No changes...

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Yay...

pearl stratus
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Double elim would have extended it by more than a day.

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It also would require either two brackets, or to bloat the brackets.

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They're better off just reducing how many countries they allow based on their results from this year.

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Just do a prelim bracket of 8-16 countries for the last few slots.

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So like.. Austria, Ireland, Philippines, India, Latvia, Paraguay, South Africa you could just cut since they couldn't take a single map, etc.

little silo
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make world cup qualifiers an online tournament instead of a LAN where 80% of countries crowdfund to play one game

pearl stratus
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They still have to host all those things.

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The raw fact is OWWC doesn't make them money, especially not for preliminaries.

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And when most of the preliminaries are predetermined slaughters you're just wasting money.

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This gave a win win for people, but they're upset at it.

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More countries got to be represented, but the countries actually had to crowd fund.

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And it worked for some countries. People just like to cry.

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But we've literally never seen Saudi Arabia at a world cup before, they never qualified for prelims etc.

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And without the current system, as much as people dislike it, we never would have.

mint flower
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its official

karmic grotto
analog lark
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welp

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Toronto's my favorite team

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because all these players I like

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S4, Agilities and Kariv, mangachu, beasthalo

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logic

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logix

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what boss are they picking up on OT

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to support Beast's MT

trim shadow
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The thing is fefe is coaching them

limber pine
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Nevix

trim shadow
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And fefe is kinda unproven/ not a good coach

mint flower
trim shadow
mint flower
trim shadow
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So basically crusty Kinda got screwed by cn style scrims and Prediciting the wrong meta

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And i was gonna post that post but i decided not to

balmy wolf
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I want to see more interviews with players

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More interaction on the ground floor with managers and coaches

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I could care less for the mickymouse banter and bad TShirt selection

trim shadow
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Yea...honestly watchpoint shuld include coaches and players from time to time

balmy wolf
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Who r you to say fefe is not a good coach? He did pretty well with a shitty roaster

raw ermine
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Why would shanghai want 3 off tanks?

little silo
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sounds like one will have to go

limber pine
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The talent on Toronto's roster is much better than on Paris's (at least on paper).

minor flame
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Shanghais gonna drop Envy

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No doubt

trim shadow
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Fefe basically has a super star level team on his hands

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If coached correctly

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This is the roster that will dance with san fran and vancouver

little silo
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i dont know about superstar level

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Solid midtable probably

trim shadow
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Superstar

limber pine
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^Crimzo

trim shadow
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This..

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This feels me with rage

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The scouts are drunk

raw ermine
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It sucks

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bad luck for the guy

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Hope his GF is better

trim shadow
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And apperantly

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Vizility isnt joining the leauge either

floral ore
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lol defiant roster op now

hidden vault
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Crimzo not picked?

tropic herald
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Nope

hidden vault
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Even Boston didn't lol

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Oh well

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Sadz

balmy wolf
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Boston only picks up korean flex supports

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Ones that are top tier

sullen berry
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Crimzo unluck

hidden vault
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The 8 teams that probably trialed crimzo
Toronto
Dallas
Houston
Boston
Washington
Los Angeles V
Los Angeles G
Atlanta

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Was really surprised that Toronto didn't go with Crimzo for their Canadian roster

mint flower
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Same

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I haven't watched hima a lot

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Is he better than kariv

hidden vault
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Don't think so

mint flower
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I can see him on Dallas or houston

hidden vault
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But less likely than toronto

mint flower
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True

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Is rawkus under contract

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For 2020

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Cuz I can totally see him getting replaced

hidden vault
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Yes he is

mint flower
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Hmmm

hidden vault
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But at this moment rawkus is better than crimzo

mint flower
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Based on world cup performance?

hidden vault
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Crimzo could duo with bani I guess

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Yes

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But bani isn't picked up yet

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Also expected toronto to go with bani

mint flower
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I get the feeling no one is gonna sign bani

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I still want neptuno to be on toronto

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Or at least some team

hidden vault
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Toronto has kellex

mint flower
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I know

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It's not likely

hidden vault
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Maybe a korean main for kariv?

mint flower
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Then what is Kellex there for?

hidden vault
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Backup

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Idk just being random

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Wait

mint flower
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I could see that

hidden vault
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They have roky

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I could totally see kellex with kariv playing

sullen berry
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Roky is 2'way

mint flower
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Yeah but I don't see roky getting much playtime

sullen berry
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Correct,

hidden vault
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Roky is the back up

sullen berry
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But he would also be eligible to move up

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After he plays more games than permitted

mint flower
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He'll get like the amount of playtime elk got last year

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Probs less

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Did elk even play except to fill in for boombox in 2019

sullen berry
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He played to his limit as a 2-way iirc

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In both games during stage 1

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They looked terrible, putting the blame on boombox when he was sick

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Which was both unfair and not too reliable a judgement

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NeXt semis are coming up this week

hidden vault
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But rocky seems like weird 2 way tho, I heard he doesn't really speak english? Not sure how true is that

sullen berry
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I don't think roky is bad with conversational English, just the bare minimum to function and make shotcalls during the match

This article is way to detailed. That or I should do this for the Charge too
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Philadelphia_Fusion_season

2019 Philadelphia Fusion season

The 2019 Philadelphia Fusion season was the second season of the Philadelphia Fusion's existence in the Overwatch League and their first under co-head coaches Go Se-hwi and Elliot Hayes. They entered the season looking to bounce back after their 2018 Grand Finals loss to the ...

hidden vault
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You are a wiki editor?

sullen berry
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Well anyone can be a proper wiki editor

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If the changes are approved by the creators, I don't see how you can't write an unbiased storyline like that

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That wiki page is so loaded

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You would reckon the author would be able to do the same format for every other team

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Plus having followed GZ movements, I don't see why not before I forget it all

hidden vault
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That's true

lost glade
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do y'all think if korea had a different roster , they could have beat USA

balmy wolf
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I dont think any roster could've beat the USA this year

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They dumpster everyone

hidden vault
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I think it's possible

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This roster has no synergy

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Say if they picked a shock majority

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They would have a chance

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And not to mention sufficient practice and preparation before hand

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I would say even with EM or Vancouver players it is possible
if their coaches is coaching team korea

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But it defeats the purpose of a world cup

short sparrow
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I think a better prepared SK could have beaten the US

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But it would still have been close

trim shadow
trim shadow
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london posted a video about there 2020 homestsand
dude was clapping and all big smiles saying i was with them in the beginning i love them and cant wait to see them
meanwhile london released there championship winning team and signed a no name

short sparrow
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Yeah LGE did great in the Gauntlet, no wonder he got picked up

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.-.

pearl stratus
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All of the Hangzhou Homestand tickets sold out

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In less than 24 hours.

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Technically they sold out in 9 hours

limber pine
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ded game

pearl stratus
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The VIP tickets (Valued around $140 per day for the locals) for Feb 29, 2020 sold out in 1 minutes.

All 276 VIP tickets sold out in 5 minutes

All 1599 tickets for Feb 29, 2020 sold out in 20 minutes

All 3198 tickets sold out in 7 hours

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Only 3200 venue size. Might need to look for a bigger one lol

limber pine
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3200 is small, but it's better to sell out of a smaller venue than overestimate the desire

mint flower
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Ded game?

pearl stratus
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@limber pine In fairness we should have never known who Saudi Arabian players were. They've never been good enough to make OWWC before. Blizzard should go back to the old format so we never would have known of them.

limber pine
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That's fair I suppose

trim shadow
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im suprised there were even saudi arabian players

pearl stratus
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They typically play from SA at ~150 ms.

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Thats why.

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They never make it to any prelims etc because they're geographically at a real nasty disadvantage.

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They basically had an inverse LAN experience, being at Blizzcon upped their game tremendously.

limber pine
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KSA plays for YaB

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does he play from SA?

pearl stratus
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That's what he was tweeting as his home MS.

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I wanted to see his reaction from being shouted out by Sinatraa.

limber pine
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lul

slender lance
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I thinks its interesting how defiant went from all Korean to mainly Western players

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Normally teams go from Western to Korean

trim shadow
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but its ok cause the other half of the leauge is now mostly korean

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apperantly last year it was what 50% its probably 65% now

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never seen a power balance this bad since 2013-2015 leauge of legends

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and all that can be done is...the other regions git better at the game..especially EU and south america

hidden vault
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Probably with the US

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Winning the world cup

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More teams would look to go western instead of korean

trim shadow
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i would say maybe more academy teams in the us but...theres reasons most owl teams dont have one or havent invested right

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like former mayhem academy and nrg

mint flower
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KOREAWATCH

trim shadow
limber pine
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not surprising

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that's the only team that made sense

trim shadow
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i wonder if he just needed a nwe enviroment

limber pine
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we'll see

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i think he can return to form

jagged crater
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wtfff birdring

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thought he retired

trim shadow
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he was thinking about it

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no he didnt pull a stellar

jagged crater
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lets see if fissure pulls a stellar

trim shadow
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i really would like him to that would be such a comeback story after all the shit he had to eat

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only team fissure can realisticly land on tho is florida

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that is if fate goes to shanghai

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also guangzhou doesnt have any mt's announced to come back and ill take fissure>rio any day

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new york is also missing a mt

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ooo fissure new york...i like the way thatll look

limber pine
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meko is the offtank

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well

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sure NYXL is missing an maintank spot yes

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but they aren't missing a maintank

hidden vault
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do you think NYXL will eat their words and sign meko back?

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nyxl might sign a tank back up but probably not fissure

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fissure's play style is too aggressive for them

trim shadow
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well meko did announce LFT a month ago

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so its possible since hes exploring offers

hidden vault
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doesn't shanghai has Stand1 right now?

trim shadow
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and im pretty sure meko has the fattest stock outside fury who joined philly

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the leak says he signed but its probably pending leauge approval so not confirmed yet

hidden vault
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Fate and Envy duo again huh

pearl stratus
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"Nobody sends their players to Dallas to get better" - Sideshow 11/6/2019.

jagged crater
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goto dallas for the $

pearl stratus
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He's more just saying they have a dumpster coaching staff.

limber pine
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doesn't Dallas have position coaches?

jagged crater
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that's what i remmeber, jayne was supports coach

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some say overcoached, too many coaches

limber pine
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It seems like a decent idea in theory

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but yeah, probably overkill

trim shadow
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dallas is basically a collect your pay check team if sideshow himself said dallas is one of the highest paying teams

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and honestly i wouldve thought it was san fransicso until he said that

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daemon is tanks
jayne is supports
and i think it was some eu guy who did dps

limber pine
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i just wonder how much tank specific coaching a tank player needs

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and so on

trim shadow
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id assume daemon is more about positioning but then again..tanks just need to know how to cycle there skills if there not hog or sigma and knowing there positioning

night tusk
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BIRDRING 😄

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hope neptuno and kaiser still get signed for this comming season

jagged crater
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kaiser..!!

short sparrow
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Oh what

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Birdring to Glads?

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That's so random

balmy wolf
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it was leaked he was playing in the trials for glads

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apparently he did pretty well

limber pine
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i mean

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he wasn't terrible last year

balmy wolf
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Well he has potential to still be in contention for top hitscan dps

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Just needed a different environment for once

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Seeing his widow in 2018 playoffs is still jaw dropping

pearl stratus
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Statistically it's amusing because he was overhyped - his stats actually were basically a small (5%) improvement over hooreg when you broke them down.

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He just looked more flashy.

jagged crater
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5% improvement is good

pearl stratus
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It is, but then you're comparing to Hooreg.

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Now compared to the Widows we've had emerge in S2.

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I'm not saying its a stupid pick up.

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Just a very risky one.

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My guess is he was cheap, and they only signed a single year.

balmy wolf
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He either could be a dominant hitscan once again, or just be ok

pearl stratus
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Or be like Season 2.

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And be way below ok

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But if he's cheap enough, its a smart move.

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Interesting to see the rest of LAG dps though

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because its not starting out strong, at all.

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Also as a side note.

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This will be his first mixed roster team ever.

jagged crater
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i like that red panda avatar btw

balmy wolf
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I'd give the better of the doubt in terms on not being on all korean team

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Hopefully birdring redeems himself next season

jagged crater
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did he have the wrist injury most of the season

balmy wolf
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S1

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Didn't really affect him after s1 was over

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iirc he slam his wrist on a table pretty hard

jagged crater
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i think many dps players were questioning themselves most of s2 considering it was goats 3/4 of the stages

pearl stratus
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Arguable. He never looked the same after that injury in terms of consistency.

jagged crater
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or rather questioning the game

pearl stratus
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He was just broken after being shit. He said it himself.

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Couldn't learn heroes that were needed, etc.

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He mentally boomed himself to hell and back.

jagged crater
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if he saw videos of red pandas he wouldnt have gotten boomed

balmy wolf
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oh the goats meta showed how dogshit some dps players can be at different roles other than dps

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Corey was the best example

pearl stratus
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Or at non standard dps

balmy wolf
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His zarya i think had one the worst stats in the league

pearl stratus
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Sideshow explained some of that today.

balmy wolf
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The goats meta also showed how flexible players are truly its kind of insane

pearl stratus
#

Did you know justice never spoke English prior to picking up sleepy?

jagged crater
#

goats turned sinatraa into a 150k meme to a star player

pearl stratus
#

So it'd be 5 Koreans and Corey. And they'd be speaking all Korean lol

#

Good luck in goats with that.

trim shadow
#

the zarya with the worst stats in the leauge were a tie between zach and i think babybay..and i think saya was thrown as well

balmy wolf
#

I laugh when sideshow said that

jagged crater
#

saya mostly played brig didnt he

balmy wolf
#

and realize shock does the same thing with moth, but they talk in english when necessary

jagged crater
#

yea it was not a fun time for every dps player

pearl stratus
#

His Zarya was still bad, but it explains why his Teamwork was off.

trim shadow
#

and think corey touched hanzo and was basically western carpe before s2

jagged crater
#

goats challenged players' flexibility and mentality

pearl stratus
#

It challenged Teamwork not pop off.

jagged crater
#

he's poppin off

pearl stratus
#

And it turns out most of the league didn't play as a team

balmy wolf
#

Corey back in contenders was always an amazing dps in terms of sniper heroes

#

Like seriously

jagged crater
#

corey was known as the best widow in contenders

#

we all knew that coming into OWL s2

balmy wolf
#

Him dumping titans proved it

pearl stratus
#

I don't even think birding is a disaster, I would have just put him into contenders for a while ala logix

#

Since he needs to remember how to play and how to play confidently.

#

No one needs Korean taimou

jagged crater
#

i miss peak taimou

#

that was the days when overwatch was so hype

#

kinda new and fresh

balmy wolf
#

I think taimou played widow when she was consider a throw pick back then in apex

#

due to the long grapple cooldown

#

then he dumpster everyone

pearl stratus
#

My worry now is birdring is feast or famine. If lag fail the first few games he's going to get roasted so hard it'll be like Korean Hiroshima.

trim shadow
#

well looking at the roster it stands

#

oge space birdring whoever second dps is shaz and goose

balmy wolf
#

Looks fine for now, but we need to see the other dps

trim shadow
#

the whole team is feast or famine

jagged crater
#

apex s1 that's a while ago! 🙂

#

i dont even remember the meta

#

it was like triple tank i think?

trim shadow
#

hell both los angeles teams could easily fall apart

balmy wolf
#

the tank line is pretty fucking stacked if OGE can actually stay stable for once

pearl stratus
#

They lack a verbal leader.

balmy wolf
#

maybe verbal leader is space

jagged crater
#

is space a verbal leader? iunno

trim shadow
#

no hes pretty quiet but will speak up at times

pearl stratus
#

Never had to try before. Had custa before

trim shadow
#

it will either be goose or space that will have to be verbal

pearl stratus
#

It should be oge, but it's not something he's been able to handle in the past.

trim shadow
#

since s4 isnt there either

pearl stratus
#

Hence gamsu

jagged crater
#

gamsu so handsome

pearl stratus
#

Gamsu is a league bandaid at this point.

#

Need to fix some shit? Insert Gamsu.

trim shadow
#

but can gamsu really pull dallas together

jagged crater
#

watched that fun PoV highlight with shanghai dragons in it

trim shadow
#

i mean at least when he was shanghai for a season he had consistent players behind him

jagged crater
#

everyone was having fun and making funny noises except Gamsu

trim shadow
#

but now everyones inconsistent

jagged crater
#

Gamsu all business

pearl stratus
#

Mentally, probably. He's worked with mixed rosters for years. Hard working, solid.

balmy wolf
#

gamsu already joined the KDP core that was decent in contenders

trim shadow
#

id imagine gamsu kicking down the door to the practice room and just taking it from there

pearl stratus
#

Dallas issue is still just coaches.

#

They need to trim all of their assistants, move Jayne to content, and spend money on development coaches.

trim shadow
#

gamsu: this team will not be a dumpster fire under my watch

jagged crater
#

nah gamsu not the type to be rash

pearl stratus
#

They should have been going for dream, etc.

jagged crater
#

gamsu walks in silently

#

sits down and says hello

#

then everyone pays attention

pearl stratus
#

Dallas hikes. Leaves some people in the desert.

jagged crater
#

you see a man working that hard to be better makes you want to be better

#

kinda shook xqc when he saw effect too

balmy wolf
#

I mean doesn't matter if you have a roster that looks decent on paper for dallas

#

S1 dallas was consider a title contender and now look what happen

trim shadow
#

honestly i think thats what krystal needs which if rjh is really joining hangzhou maybe he can turn krystal from brat into prodigy

jagged crater
#

lol kyrstal where did he go

balmy wolf
#

I dont think krsytal is coming back

trim shadow
#

hes suspended until further notice

balmy wolf
#

Hes being sued by spark for his contract

trim shadow
#

but hes still under contract

#

but id imagine hangzhou is tryna force break the contract when u can just trade the contract

balmy wolf
#

Their trying to void the contract which means they dont have to pay anything to him

#

Since he violated the contract

jagged crater
#

did guxue speak korean or english whiel in spark

balmy wolf
#

korean

jagged crater
#

very nice

#

must've felt bad after krystal got suspended since he was his only chinese teammate

trim shadow
jagged crater
#

love tyrone memes

upper niche
#

So Surefour was confirmed to TD? I did not see that coming, not at all /s.

raw ermine
#

yeah

#

it was leaked a while back along w/ agilities and kariv

upper niche
#

yeah, we've known about it for weeks.

trim shadow
#

sideshow doesnt know the difference between interesting and consideration
where boston sought to acquire myunbong while the suits on other teams thought about it and were weighing there options where as boston Welcome to foxborough son
so technically boston was the only team with intent to sign myunbong
its kinda pepega on 02 blast part cause they could have said well consider and wait for other teams to approach

#

but 02 blast was like money DEAL

sullen berry
#

Welcome to foxborough son

#

Now that would be an introduction

trim shadow
#

apperantly myunbong hasnt even met huk yet WidowLUL

trail lodge
#

Leaf to OWL WeirdChamp

#

An entire year of feeding in contenders in good enough to get into OWL because of 1 tourney

#

But 2 years of been good/amazing in contenders goes unoticed

naive stump
#

Who else can the gladiators get for dps

trail lodge
#

Fischer

#

Vizlity

#

Yaki

#

Heesu

#

Pelican

#

Erki

raw ermine
#

bqb

#

bunny

trail lodge
#

No

#

And

#

No

raw ermine
#

zacharee

#

dafran

blissful heron
#

glister

raw ermine
#

maybe

trim shadow
#

fisher or leaf would make sense

trail lodge
#

Leaf

#

Is shit

trim shadow
#

vizility said hes gotten no owl offers

trail lodge
#

How

#

How

#

Also Mistakes is back

#

so

#

they could get mistakes too

trim shadow
#

mistakes is probably still with montreal rebellion

#

more then likely gladiators will just get duo koreans

trail lodge
#

If leaf gets on an OWL team I'll lose all my respect for said team

trim shadow
#

cause everyone is doing it

trail lodge
#

Leaf is a 1 tourney wonder

balmy wolf
#

Another fusions?

upper niche
#

Was mistakes the Boston player the OWL account announced this morning with surefour?

#

Can't remember who it was

trail lodge
#

??????????

#

Mistakes is a tier 2 dps

#

and still is

upper niche
#

It was Kellex btw.

trim shadow
#

t u r t l e

pearl stratus
#

Joining the Canadians shouldn't be used as a phrase until at least 5 months after the World Cup.

#

Canada stocks way down.

trim shadow
#

toronto tryna give canada fans something to lookforward to WidowLUL

#

i cant even say canadian super team since the signings were some of the reason canada went into the shithole

balmy wolf
#

well I mean OWWC is a very fast tournament in play

#

but this team looks real good on paper

#

US did shit for 3 years, but we knew their players were actually good

mint flower
trim shadow
#

who za fuck got mad at diya for wanting play time

#

cause if fleta is joining diya is basically sitting there watching scrims

mint flower
#

ikr

#

the poor guy got one map all season

#

just let him play goddammit

#

if he has to go to contenders then so be it

#

i support that decision, just wanna see him play

hidden vault
#

Can't Diya pull a guxue?

kindred storm
#

dafran starting dps for SF shock next season ?!

balmy wolf
#

?

short sparrow
#

No...?

upper niche
#

lol, like hell, Dafran ain't going back to OWL and he certainly doesn't have the discipline, professionalism and reliability to play on a team like Shock.

night tusk
#

Dafran was like i'm not going to play on this meta. than plays another game for some days. and now he is back.. but still double shield LUL

raw ermine
#

He also hates scrims.

karmic grotto
#

Realised

#

Seoul has 4 players per role

#

nevermind

#

liquipedia hasn't updated it yet as we still waiting for signings

#

Dps: Profit, Fits, Illicit
Tank: Marve1, Gesture, Michelle
Supports: Creative, Highly, Tobi

#

who else

little silo
#

Tobi

karmic grotto
#

Thanks, edited

trim shadow
#

D e p t h over talent

tropic herald
#

They could totally sign some Contenders talent for flex support

#

Or an OT

trim shadow
#

Creative is flex support

#

Promoted from gen.g

#

I still think meko is gonna sign with seoul

tropic herald
#

Wasn’t London supposed to reveal roster stuff yesterday?

pearl stratus
#

Homestand tickets. People just jumped to conclusions it meant roster.

karmic grotto
#

How do those OWL players do a combo out of nowhere?

#

Do they say what they're going to do before using an ability?

raw ermine
#

Usually

#

For example pull-meteor strike combos usually has the doom calling for a pull and then ulting so they can time well. They have lots of chemistry

blissful heron
#

It works wonders if done right

karmic grotto
#

Yes, but when you think too much about doing combinations

#

You will not be doing your job with your abilities

#

Have spectated Space for quite some time, and trying to combine abilities makes sure that one of his teammates die

pearl stratus
#

If you're spectating ladder thats still useless spectating though. Because the person who dies may be out of position, may not be playing properly, the Orisa may not where its needed.

#

Go replay viewer something like OWWC and see if the trades exist there too.

#

Remember nothing on ladder is ever really important, since its ladder.

jagged crater
#

iostux turned into reddit enemy #1 all of a sudden

karmic grotto
#

His own problem

#

That's what he gets for being arrogant

hidden vault
#

story pls?

jagged crater
balmy wolf
#

Opinions?

jagged crater
#

pogchamp

pearl stratus
#

They're already used to investing a lot of resources into a over aggressive moron.

#

This one can just play more than Rein.

balmy wolf
mint flower
#

So fissure pulled a stellar

#

wasnt this server joking about how he wouldnt do it...

jagged crater
#

we had a good hunch he would do it

#

overwatch is one of those games where u need a good break to get back that competitive fire again

worn falcon
#

Jehong to vanc tho

pearl stratus
#

He also wasn't doing a good job streaming.

#

Miro has made it work. Fissure is kind of a whatever figure.

worn falcon
#

isnt twilight/slime enough for Vanc?

jagged crater
#

backup flex supp

#

is rapel still on vanc?

mint flower
#

team option

#

and i dont believe vancouver has picked it up nor declined

minor flame
#

Aggressive tank does fit the Titans bill

#

Though the question is is he gonna be flexible to orisa

hidden vault
#

Is jehong aggressive enough for Vancouver?

karmic grotto
#

His Ana is somewhat perfection

#

may it come in future

#

But will jehong when you have Twilight?

#

way*

#

why*

#

backup flex support?

hidden vault
#

And tizi not aggressive enough for Vancouver?

karmic grotto
#

Seems like he was only brought in for his Orisa

#

But Fissure covers a bigger hero pool he can play at high level

mint flower
#

YESSS

karmic grotto
#

???

mint flower
karmic grotto
#

???

#

Jesus Christ

#

Bumper to Spitfire?

trail lodge
#

Probably

#

Its where he belongs

#

A low playoff team

mint flower
karmic grotto
#

XD

trail lodge
#

Bumper on anything but Rein is sad to watch

#

Kiddo malded because Tizi benched him PepeLaughing

short sparrow
#

I think he'll stay

raw ermine
#

Nooooooooooo way

#

Riot if it happens

short sparrow
#

For psychological reasons at least xD

limber pine
#

why

short sparrow
#

He's their in-house leader

#

Not that they really need him

#

But, it might be kind of NYXL letting go of SBB

#

Not a great comparison, but close enough

#

Mouffin in OWL :DDD

trail lodge
#

Only 2 way

#

Swimmer is on a full contract

#

Mouffin is on 2 way

limber pine
#

Vancouver getting fissure makes sense now

#

well supposedly getting fissure

trail lodge
#

Who said that

#

If it was halo its like 50/50

limber pine
#

fissure to vancouver has been rumored for a few days

raw ermine
#

I will literally cry if bumper leaves. Even more if he doesn't get another team.

balmy wolf
#

Why

#

Not like hes super good

trail lodge
#

Bumper on Orisa is a yikes

short sparrow
#

He's one of their faces

#

That's mostly why

limber pine
#

bumper on anything other than rein is a yikes

#

his winston is "okay"

balmy wolf
#

So? Profit, Gesture, Fury were all faces of spitfire, sometimes things just need to part

short sparrow
#

Yeah

balmy wolf
#

Also anyone else saw the prices for spitfire homestands?

#

Sooo expensive

short sparrow
#

The main difference is that in Titans' case you'll be splitting up the Runaway core

#

While Spitfire are revamping completely

#

But still

balmy wolf
#

Spitfire split up the GC Busan and C9 Kongdoo core

#

Cores

#

Also what do guys think about Birding -> Gladd

#

Glads

#

Cos that happened

short sparrow
#

In my view, Glads pretty much still don't have a dps

#

.-.

balmy wolf
#

I mean

#

I think a new environment is good for birdring

short sparrow
#

Yeah

#

Hoping dpei will make that guy consistently pop off

#

Could happen :o

balmy wolf
#

I'd also love to go to spitfire homestands to see prof....nvm, gest... nvm

Bdosin!

short sparrow
#

Bernar! :P

balmy wolf
#

Fuze!

#

Krillin D:

short sparrow
#

They'll probably let go of Bdosin too xD

trail lodge
#

I'm going to the homestead anyway

balmy wolf
#

Why it's so expensive

#

If they let go of bdosin I stg

#

I will be having strong words with them

short sparrow
#

xD

trail lodge
#

Because im meeting up with a bunch of online friends that live all around the UK

balmy wolf
#

Yes but

#

200

#

For a team

#

You dont know

trail lodge
#

But I have more then enough money

balmy wolf
#

800 for a meet n greet

trail lodge
#

And I want to go to London

balmy wolf
#

For a team u dont know

trail lodge
#

I'm just going to watch the games dude

balmy wolf
#

Why not go to the other one

trail lodge
#

?

balmy wolf
#

I dont remember where it is

trail lodge
#

What other one

balmy wolf
#

There is one in london and one someone else

#

Birmingham

#

If it's closer ^

trail lodge
#

It is

#

But 2 of my friends live in Scotland

#

And another in Portsmouth

balmy wolf
#

Wouldnt Birmingham still be closer?

#

For scotland

trail lodge
#

And also they can't do june games anyway

balmy wolf
#

Fairs

delicate yarrow
#

Does anyone know anything about what Void is doing?

short sparrow
#

Uhm

#

Overthinking how he can start over Space?

#

Idk...

delicate yarrow
#

Yeah, me too

earnest violet
#

swimmy is on boston

#

pog

raw ermine
#

Void is a free agent no?

#

So he isn't necessarily on lag anymore

little silo
#

Void is rumored to join Shanghai

short sparrow
#

Oh, that would be sweet

#

Things didn't seem to work out with Envy

#

But who is their MT?

pearl stratus
#

Stand1

trim shadow
#

Lmao so vancouver pissed off there own team@and maybe coaches when they foundnot

pearl stratus
#

Makes sense if you sign a group then instantly break the group up (even when its potentially for the better)

#

Fissure is outdated anyway.

#

Who cares about Shitty Guxue.

trim shadow
#

It really sucks that bumper was one of the reasons vancouver almost went a whole season undefeated and the bam theyre gonna trade him

tropic herald
#

Swimmer in OWL that’s widepeepoHappy

raw ermine
#

not to mention how much everyone loves bumper

trim shadow
#

Thats about as dick of a move as toronto dropping bishop on his birthday and almost every boston Aquisition

pearl stratus
#

I mean realistically if I was going to drop a tank it'd be Bumper either way.

#

And keep Fissure/Tizi.

#

You could also rotate bumper back to main support back up though

#

Since he was primarily a lucio.

trim shadow
#

Bumper used to dps as well but againt haksal and seo? Nah

pearl stratus
#

He never really DPS'd.

#

He was a Main Support, OT, then most recently main tank.

#

And he only really went Main Tank after Kaiser quit the team

#

For the second time.

trim shadow
#

The thing is bumper is flexibile not Leave levels of flexible

raw ermine
#

we dropped bish on his birthdya

#

yikes

trim shadow
#

thats basically dick move of the year i would rather dropped him during the season instead of uk going 1-6 in stage 4

short sparrow
#

Did Leave ever play MT or MS at a high level?

trim shadow
mint flower
#

Oh snap

#

The suspense

upper hawk
#

BIRDRIIIIING

#

Space OGE could be a great pairing potentially. just need maybe 2 more dps to round it all out

#

Shaz-goose is a hugely underrated tandem. Maybe not in numbers but if you focus on them in matches, they very often win fights for the team that theyre on the brink of losing

late tundra
#

Maybe someone here is able to answer my question

#

How is a brigitte main able to secure the first 3 spots on the leaderboards

#

God gameknowledge gamesense and mechanical skills

#

Or sr system failing?

balmy wolf
#

just good on the hero

pearl stratus
#

Brigitte is also good for non-groups because you're not gauranteed coordination even in T500 because the ladder is for shitters

#

So whereas a Lucio would be a better competitive pick, Brigitte is more overall HPS and fits just as well

trim shadow
#

idk how much weight this has but

#

this could easily go wrong

gaunt acorn
#

fissure and ryujehong are already highly rumoured to be joining

trim shadow
#

ill be pissed next friday if at least ryu didnt come true

#

wonder if watchpoint and espn will go over the rosters

karmic grotto
#

They are going to release Zach D_Pepega

balmy wolf
#

He finally answered our calls

sullen berry
#

It was only a matter of time before he settled back to an A-K roster

hidden vault
#

A-K?

sullen berry
#

All-Korean for short

#

Not to be confused with an AK

karmic grotto
#

No announcements?

sullen berry
#

You could ask modmail?

#

It's a Friday night, they're probably chilling

karmic grotto
#

Seems like according to sources, Atlanta has signed Edison and Mentalist

raw ermine
#

Tizi and bumper going? Something tells me fissure will retire again quickly

#

And then they need to sign a Mt asap

blissful heron
#

Lmao

#

I think tizi will stay

trim shadow
#

honestly

#

wizard could succeed at seoul

#

since his roster has the potential to be a little bit more nuttier then washington

pearl stratus
#

Rumor is Fissure + Mag.

#

So Fissure only needs to last till Mag is 18.

#

Which is about 60% into the season.

trim shadow
#

fissure and jjanu as a duo is weird on paper

hidden vault
#

Who is mag?

#

Doesn't tizi plus jjanu work?

limber pine
#

Mag is on RunAway

hidden vault
#

So florida didn't manage to get everyone?

short sparrow
#

Nothing was announced for Florida yet

#

So maybe not

trim shadow
#

they could still get pieces of runaway but looks like there getting out bidded

limber pine
hidden vault
#

They need a maim support

#

Why let coma go tho

raw ermine
#

Coma was really good idk

limber pine
#

eh

#

Coma had a good stage 3 when Shanghai won the stage

raw ermine
#

Why 2 flex supports tho

limber pine
#

otherwise, he was okay

mint flower
#

Diya will finally get to play

trim shadow
#

so theyre signing someone new at ms and then theres the stand1 rumor

#

but honestly i would go ahead and risk it on bumper

limber pine
#

I wouldn't

#

Bumper had RunAway's synergy to help him

hidden vault
#

Yeah bumper wouldn't work anywhere else, else he changes his playstyle

trim shadow
#

just gonna go ahead and say seoul will 90% have a great season

little silo
#

According to Halo Atlanta also signed Edison

trim shadow
#

which is beautiful when u think about edison and erster

pearl stratus
#

SHD's thank you messages are legit high class.

#

They talk about a whole lot more than just like "He was a support". It's nice.

little silo
#

Gladiators send-offs are also pretty good

limber pine
#

HuK's strong point was never PR

pearl stratus
#

Yeah but like SHD mentions Coma playing the piano as something they'll miss etc. They're very personalized, which is a classy touch imo.

#

They talk about non-game stuff.

limber pine
#

SHD seems like they've rebounded from their Season 1 fiasco

#

good for them

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, just time to see about their last rumors for tank/MS.

limber pine
#

wish some teams like Dallas and LAV would learn

#

Who's the rumors? LJG void LIP stand1

#

?

#

and fleta

pearl stratus
#

LJG and Stand1 are the most important, but then yeah Fleta and LIP.

#

Also I want to see if they get another assistant coach

#

Right now they have two OT, 3 DPS, and 2 flex support.

#

Also super glad Wizard wasn't hired as a coach, just a numbers bitch.

short sparrow
#

Wait who is LIP

pearl stratus
#

Its what he does well.

short sparrow
#

?

pearl stratus
#

He's a Blossom hitscan DPS. He's the most unlikely of the rumors honestly.

short sparrow
#

Ah k. And I'm guessing ljg os leejaegon?

#

*is

pearl stratus
#

Yeah

#

Though Runaway just got boomed by Element Mystic.

#

Which was crazy because they had two literally brand new players.

#

Since Sparkle/Hanbin are both gone.

short sparrow
#

?

#

Wait what

minor flame
#

I heard Lip is simply just

#

Ok

#

Not that good

short sparrow
#

Did runaway and EM play?

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, Nexus Cup

#

Runaway went up 2-0.

#

EM clawed back. They tied at 3-3

#

Then EM got the last map.

#

EM got a 0 meter hold.

#

Literally the cart never fucking moved.

short sparrow
#

:o

pearl stratus
#

Rt 66 tends to have some of he best holds

short sparrow
#

Sure, but 0 meters is just embarassing

#

xD

#

Was it the regular Runaway roster?

#

No new faces?

pearl stratus
#

It was the current one, yes. They haven't been signed yet.

#

It was the EM roster + 2 new guys, who played fantastically.

short sparrow
#

Damn...

pearl stratus
#

It finished at 3-4 though, it was tooth and nail the whole way.

minor flame
#

Isnt Lip known for his Sombra or smth @pearl stratus

swift moth
#

when are rosters finalized for owl?

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
limber pine
#

They have to have 8 players by Nov 15th

#

that's as close as a finalization date as you'll get

trim shadow
#

Next friday

limber pine
#

correct

trim shadow
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As far as i know

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Theres 2-4 rosters un announced or not complete

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Atlanta Still hasnt said anything

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We dont know the rest of london

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Guangzhou

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And boston

limber pine
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Chengdu technically, but their whole roster is signed, so they have nothing to announce

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and they have 9

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so nevermind

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Atlanta, London, Florida, Guangzhou, LAG, LAV, NYXL, Paris, Seoul, Shanghai are all under 8

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LAV, NYXL, Paris, Seoul, Shanghai have 7

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LAG has 5

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Atlanta and Florida have 2

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Guangzhou 6 and London 4

short sparrow
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Hey Washington signed Supreme and another coach according to Liquipedia :P

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Yeah, its on their twitter

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The other one is Wiz from XL2

mint flower
sullen berry
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ahhh frick

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just when I had my predictions setlled on bani getting resigned

little silo
mint flower
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not surprised about that one

trim shadow
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Tbh bani didnt do shit all season

sullen berry
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laughter

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to be fair, his time spent being missing without explanation to monte's benefit was a laugh

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if the real answer to why he was away was destructive to his career, I guess he can have it his way.

trim shadow
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I believe bani lands on boston

sullen berry
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bani

trim shadow
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Or valiant there missing a ms

sullen berry
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I don't see if the demand is obvious for main supports, but bani would be worth signing for his experience alone

raw ermine
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F bani

sullen berry
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in time

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he'll land somewhere if he knows his worth during his time on Outlaws

trim shadow
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Just got shellshocked by the fact london might be going full kr again instead of doing what paris is doing

sullen berry
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idk

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could they still throw kruise and kyb into the lineup

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it's still up in the air

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esp with no team option for KYB

trim shadow
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I would trust kyb more since technically hes played in a korean roster

pearl stratus
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You have to remember London is Cloud9.