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pearl stratus
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I still don't see them signing the EM supports, I'm expecting Unique and Undine to land elsewhere.

limber pine
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you can run non-korean supports and be fine

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yeah

little silo
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What about MCD

trim shadow
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But most of the communication comes from the support lines to be fair

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The safe best is to go western supports

limber pine
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maybe not anymore

trim shadow
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Mcd looks like hes interested in gladiators

pearl stratus
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Glads didn't lose supports.

trim shadow
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Which is true so thats why i was confused to see him trying out for them

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Neptuno was in there so maybe backup positions?

karmic grotto
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this is kinda fun

trim shadow
swift moth
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not as good as LA biggeese

balmy wolf
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Paris pulling some big dick moves this season

hidden vault
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You don't think they will sign element mystic's maintank to pair off with hanbin?

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But I don't get why they won't want to have element mystic's support line tho

trim shadow
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They have to

limber pine
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they don't have to

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but it'd be smart to

trim shadow
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Iwell we have seeing tank duos picked up

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Then torn apart

limber pine
trim shadow
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Well

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Unique undine wyd?

limber pine
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who needs a korean support line?

trim shadow
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Seoul

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London

hidden vault
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Paris lol

limber pine
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cough cough WSJ cough cough

trim shadow
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Ahahahahah oh right

hidden vault
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Seems like MCD will be picked up?

trim shadow
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Wonder how much they offered

hidden vault
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I assume he is trolling lol

trim shadow
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Well he tagged paris so

limber pine
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he replied to a comment chain with paris in it

hidden vault
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Wait MCD is not the main tank

limber pine
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support

trim shadow
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Support

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I think he rotated with unique

limber pine
hidden vault
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Yeah i checked

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Will MCD be picked up?

trim shadow
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Wait unique is missing

hidden vault
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Or like he says

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Stays in contenders

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Unique is there

trim shadow
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It wouldnt hurt if MCD did go back to contenders

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Just keep building your stoxk

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And hope for higher paying offers

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Id assume paris is gonna give them something between 60k-90k

hidden vault
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Wait how come EM get to have 9 players?

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I thought contenders limit is 8?

trim shadow
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I think one inactive

little silo
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im pretty sure paris pays them more than 60-90k

hidden vault
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^

trim shadow
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Sparkle definetly is in the 100k range

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The others idk

karmic grotto
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100k? hmm

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how much money does paris have

digital brook
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Which team does ML7 and KarQ play?

limber pine
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is that a serious question?

little silo
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On Boston?

sullen berry
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I'm more interested in Talon esports players getting picked up, but these Paris announcements should warrant some concerns

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But they're going for a Mixed roster

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Props to that

echo quest
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Something is very wrong

wooden skiff
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does anyone want to join a team looking to get bigger

sullen berry
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Learning from Shock and Atlanta it's going to look this way

wooden skiff
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if so dm me

echo quest
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How did Myunbong end up on Boston?

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He’s one of the best players in KR

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Like how

sullen berry
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Boston stock exchange

echo quest
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Best support in contenders

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Like how

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Wtf

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How

sullen berry
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You didn't think they saved money not to spend it

echo quest
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True.

sullen berry
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Could this be another shaky decision

echo quest
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I’m shocked he chose Boston

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This dude is easily worth a shit ton

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How DID BOSTON get the best support in contenders

sullen berry
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Hue

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Because boston

echo quest
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Saved the cash lmao

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Damn that’s big brain

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Signing the best support outside of OWL

trim shadow
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Myunbong went to boston

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Why would you do that myun

sullen berry
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None of their decisions had to make any sense before, why stop now?

trim shadow
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Unless boston is going korean as well

sullen berry
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HuK would very much enjoy having a stacked Korean roster

trim shadow
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Korean leauge 2020

sullen berry
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Recall that they traded for finances and not a player for this

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They wouldn't have any use for the players on Houston

trim shadow
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ahh i get where ur coming from

sullen berry
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Well they could just sign for cheaper or for better performing players from contenders korea

trim shadow
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There building a korean superteam maybe

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With a western player

sullen berry
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But was always the case, he was just saving towards this moment coming into 2020

echo quest
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Crazy how some people want their team to still be EU

sullen berry
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All the teams that were on the cusp of Play-ins should be rethinking their roster philosophy if they want in this season

trim shadow
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Id expexted all of the bottom 5 teams to just do full reworks

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Minus florida and washington

sullen berry
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9 players on the eternal roster

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Half Korean and half French (not including greyy/kruise who underperformed when he got stage time)

trim shadow
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What i didnt expext was london and Gladiators clearing house

echo quest
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Void is gone right?

trim shadow
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Si

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KoreAn boston with fusions barking commands at full velocity

echo quest
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Shit. I wonder if we’ll ever get an Eu superteam

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Like lol

karmic grotto
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huh

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Boston??

echo quest
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@karmic grotto don’t worry most people are baffled how the fuck they got myunbong

trim shadow
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Its a signing out of left field honestly

hidden vault
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If we manage to get a Scandinavian city in S4

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We might see Scandinavian mix again

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But I'm gonna bet koreans eventually

raw ermine
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KarQ is a streamer for toronto and ml7 doesn't play for anyone

tropic herald
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Paris said Korean time

mint flower
limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
limber pine
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rio was already under contract

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no surprise there

karmic grotto
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uh

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who are those coaches

limber pine
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KDG was Seoul's head coach last year

sullen berry
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@mint flower Rio not unexpected indeed, this countdown is going to be hype and hectic

trim shadow
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Kdg fusion uni coach right?

limber pine
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KDG was Seoul's head coach last year

trim shadow
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Ah

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Dammit

trim shadow
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This is bullshit

echo quest
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100%

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Myunbong was the best support in KR contenders

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This makes me worried for Edison

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One of the best dps in KR but played for a middling team

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The follow up tweets make it extremely alarming

trim shadow
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The scouts mustve been on drugs for most teams

echo quest
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Fr. Or they don’t look past top 3 teams

left rampart
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@mint flower hi there

echo quest
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Guys like GodsB,iDK were all Insane players during 2017 but weren’t scouted in s1

trim shadow
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Eh ur team is losing so ur shit

echo quest
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Kinda bullshit lmao

minor flame
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OWL scouts fucking suck

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What a surprise

trim shadow
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Hence vancouver s1

tropic herald
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T2 wasn’t supported enough at all lol

echo quest
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@trim shadow no

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They wanted to stay as a team

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But some of their memebers weren’t old enough

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Haksal and SMS weren’t old enough

trim shadow
echo quest
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Judging from their response

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They broke

karmic grotto
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well

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they got monies

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from the players they sold

echo quest
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Gonna go over to the cod league

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I wonder who Philly will go far as a MT

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Sado is bad

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And changsik is meh

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I can name 5 MTS better than him rn

limber pine
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Marve1

echo quest
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Alpha

limber pine
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now that Gesture is in Seoul

echo quest
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Oberon

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MAG

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Over

short sparrow
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Stalker

echo quest
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MuZe

short sparrow
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Dafran

echo quest
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Imo only promote Alarm

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Bernar isn’t a big upgrade over Poko

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
limber pine
trim shadow
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No one even said valiant were broke

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We said valiant were going for budget players

limber pine
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somebody said they were broke

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due to the cod buyin

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i dont' remember who though

naive garden
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Wasn't it Mykl?

trim shadow
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Buying a 30 million spot shouldnt have broken vals bank

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But it would have pushed them into a reserve move to re configure budget cost for there teams

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Who gets what salary yada yada

limber pine
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yeah I agree

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i'm just saying

pearl stratus
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It's not just 30 million for the team though

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It's 30 for the team, then the CoD buy in spot, then an entire CoD roster (since almost the entire optic team quit)

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It was also the entire company.

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So the buyout was way more than 30M

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They bought the entirety of Infinite E-Sports.

echo quest
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Btw the players are really good too

pearl stratus
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Last report I saw was cash and equity of 35 up to 45 M.

trim shadow
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Buying infiite pushed them to around what

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I wanna say 40 mil

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But i feel 100 mil was floated

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But then thats over priced

pearl stratus
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CWL was rumored at ~25M as well.

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So worse case scenario you're at 45+25+ players

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70M in a few months.

trim shadow
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Ya need at least 10 players for your owl roster

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I know nothing of how the cod roster shakeup looks like

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But id imagine thats at least 6-7 more salaries

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And then you have coaches and assistants

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Easily@push you to 90 million

echo quest
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Plus housing

pearl stratus
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I'm sure they're not broke broke, but you'd cut back at this point.

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Housing, Travel, Hotels, etc.

trim shadow
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There financial adviser mustve had a long summer

queen drift
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not really

trim shadow
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I cant imagine the headache looking all the money immortals spent and then all the expensives they still have to cover for the next year

queen drift
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most of these orgs/teams involved in owl have near unlimited funds when it comes to this stuff

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they knew what they got into

echo quest
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Boston is cheap af

trim shadow
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No one person has near unlimited funds

echo quest
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Until now

trim shadow
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They can have loans

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And that shit

queen drift
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cheap, not poor

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no team in owl is in the position to need a loan

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no team in owl, or org involved in owl, is struggling for money

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except maybe houston, but thats a bit outdated

trim shadow
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Id imagine someone was loaning to houston

queen drift
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i have no idea what they did or how theyre doing

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yeah but that was a special case

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like houston could have spent nothing

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gone the boston route

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and they'd still be in trouble with what happened

echo quest
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Yup

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Massive fuckup

queen drift
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i think whats more interesting to think about is how the fuck OWL is pulling in so much money

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like each team in SEASON 1 had a minimum of what

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20m buyin?

pearl stratus
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Houston busted their ass

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And kept getting sponsors, even without an owner.

queen drift
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then you have teams paying extra for good franchises, think seoul, shanghai maybe

pearl stratus
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Anyone that would give them money they petitioned. just smart of them

queen drift
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player wages, some teams buying 1mil houses

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teams like philly making 70m (?) arenas

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not sure on the 70m figure, i think im wrong

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its obviously within these orgs interests to stay in the league, so its insane to think about how much money owl must be pulling in

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for them to make their investment worth it, and then KEEP investing

echo quest
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The optic situation is really sad tbh

queen drift
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was optic the situation where the owner or co owner or something went hammer crazy

trim shadow
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Houston got gamestop as a owner

echo quest
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HECZ sold his ownership

queen drift
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who was the hammer guy

trim shadow
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Id imagine that got them through the end of the season

echo quest
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J

trim shadow
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Gamestop as a sponsor*

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Vancouvers team house is definetly 2.5million+

echo quest
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At least they have a cod team

queen drift
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and the runaway buyout was probably A LOT

trim shadow
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Envyus houston and immortals have a cod leauge spot

queen drift
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and andbox

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(nyxl)

echo quest
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Immortals got a League spot from Optic lmao

trim shadow
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I saw atlanta had one but idk if cox bought the spot

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Cox is dummy rich so

queen drift
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p sure they did

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not suer it was the atlanta one tho

trim shadow
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If they bought in it has to have been atlantas

echo quest
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If you guys didn’t know Chengdu is run by RNG

trim shadow
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Id imagine comcast sports got in as well

queen drift
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RNG or NRG

echo quest
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No RNG

queen drift
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idk them

echo quest
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Royal Never Give Up it’s a very big League team

trim shadow
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“London royal ravens” what a trash name

echo quest
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From China

queen drift
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NY logo

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🤢

echo quest
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Probably could buy multiple OW teams lmao

queen drift
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ah makes sense

trim shadow
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Comcast could buy the leauge honestly

queen drift
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Revenue: $94.51 billion USD (2018)

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jesus

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they could buy the league with like

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not even a quarter of their YEARLY revenue

trim shadow
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https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Chengdu_Hunters

Liquipedia Overwatch Wiki
Chengdu Hunters

Chengdu Hunters, (成都猎人 in Chinese), is the team representing Chengdu, China in the Overwatch League. The team is owned by HUYA Inc., a leading game livestreaming platform in China. The team is operated by Chinese esports organization Royal Never Give Up, who are known...

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Huya owns chengdu

queen drift
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operated by rngu

trim shadow
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Thats one of the billionaire company’s in china i believe

echo quest
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^

trim shadow
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So yea the chineese teams will have money issues never

queen drift
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Isntshanghai just owned by

karmic grotto
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Yeh

queen drift
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A guy

karmic grotto
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Chinese supporters are very

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generous

echo quest
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IG ( last year’s world winners) had their owner play in a match

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Pro match

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Lmao

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@queen drift no dragons are owned by NetEase

queen drift
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Ah

trim shadow
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Which has the biggest revenue of the 4 i believe

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Guangzhou is own by a org that has a chieese basketball team

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Netking?

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So outlaws are just stacked coachingnwise

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Minus@flame

echo quest
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When I saw the first word lmao

pearl stratus
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Flame already stepped away from Coaching.

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He only did some in S2 because Tairong was burning out hard.

trim shadow
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Flame is basically doing a huk

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Lets hope harsha and dream can manage the team

pearl stratus
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Flame has always done what was best for the team, minus his own stupid tweets.

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But he worked his ass of in S2 getting them financing and shit.

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I'll give him that credit.

trim shadow
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Pat on the shoulder and a cold corona

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But lets seee what he does as a gm

pearl stratus
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Arguably thats what a GM does, keeps the team running no matter what.

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I also give him points for always having his teams back, even when its wrong lol

trim shadow
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Hes not doing as much as the managers at cox/reign are doing

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Since i heard they bought a spot in atlanta

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I think before the season ended

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And there working on international training facilities in like china and europe

limber pine
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who's dream

echo quest
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Montreal’s coach

karmic grotto
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Atlanta has good coaches indeed

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They know what they're doing

pearl stratus
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British Hurricane coach a year ago when they were really good, then Montreal Rebellion Coach.

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He's pretty big brain.

trim shadow
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atlanta just needs

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the superstar player

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or make erster consistent

karmic grotto
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He is? But sometimes he can get wonk

balmy wolf
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imo atlanta really don't need to change a thing

raw ermine
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Maybe sign a danish Hitscan player

balmy wolf
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they might need to get a new backup main support if the rumours of funnyastro going to philly are true

hidden vault
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Why pick up logix tho?

balmy wolf
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you mean re-signed?

trim shadow
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Insurance if the s4 talks fell through

hidden vault
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Yeah

trim shadow
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They have no dps signed so

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Until logix

balmy wolf
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ivy and mangachu are still on the team

trim shadow
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Last i saw they were options

balmy wolf
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which means they could be re-signed

limber pine
balmy wolf
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Dragons getting an actual flex player

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Well projectile heavy dps with a bit hitscan on the side

hidden vault
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If they are gonna resign mangachu and ivy

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Then with surefoure and agilities they have 5?

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And according to custa surefour is already signed

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Probably agilities' contract didn't fall through??

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Unless they aren't gonna resign ivy haha

trim shadow
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God fuck

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So no profit Fleta

hidden vault
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Is profit more hitscan heavy or projectile?

raw ermine
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I thought they would go s4 agilities mangachu logix, cause Canada and Logix is good, ditching ivy

balmy wolf
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Profit is more projectile heavy. Which is also the case with fleta.

tropic herald
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Though Diem Fleta would be pretty nasty

trim shadow
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More then likely will be dding fleta

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Unless diem@hits his strides in the next meta

tropic herald
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If Diem can get his other hitscan to his widow I think that’d be good

jagged crater
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seoul gonna grab all the absolute best they can get

quiet igloo
hidden vault
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Does SHD has a tracer?

sullen berry
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Diem and Diya

hidden vault
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Diya is basically chinese Diem then

sullen berry
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they could absolutely thwomp with diya

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naturally, he can't fully integrate with an all korean roster

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he continues to be recognised as a star player, even for 8 minutes on zarya/ashe the entire season

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4th most hero damage done

balmy wolf
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is diem considered bad? i remember watching him and thinking he has some of the best aim i’ve ever seen in OW

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he only look bad because his team went 1-6 in stage 4 I believe

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But believe me diem is a top hitscan player and argubably one of the best widows in OWL rn

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fr

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i remember watching him and he was popping off

sullen berry
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He did well in all stars widowmaker 1v1

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Not a full representation, but he played well against veteran players

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Viol2t, Fleta and Nenne

balmy wolf
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You know what surprised me the most on rookie hitscan dps? YXL.

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He was supposed to be "the" Chinese hitscan dps, but he had some really bad plays.

hidden vault
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Viol2t is a widow player? 👀

sullen berry
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Shu is a widow player when he was on the Toronto Esports Roster

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Contenders NA before it was split East/West was wild

trim shadow
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Pog

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Do it fissure i miss you

karmic grotto
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hmmm

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Seoul Dynasty might need aggro tank

hidden vault
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Lolol

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Not surprised

karmic grotto
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marve1 not aggro enough

trim shadow
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Everyone thinks its london but

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It could be a stellar situation

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Where stellar retired

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Then decided he wanted togo back to toronto but toronto didnt have the cap so he ended up on boston

hidden vault
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Fissure wouldn't go to seoul lol

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Also marve1 will stay in seoul

trim shadow
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We know

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Marve1 is under contract

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Only he leaves is by trade

little silo
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or buyout like a bunch of others so far

trim shadow
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But who da hell wants marve1?

pearl stratus
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You guys need to stop thinking contracts matter so much.

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You don't want Marve1 anymore? You don't need to wait for a trade, pay out the contract and release him.

trim shadow
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Id imagine seoul likes marve1 ofc i dont know what hes like on ladder or in the team house

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Thats why marve1 got most of the play time not just because fissure was a hyper aggressive tank during the goats holocaust

balmy wolf
raw ermine
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I doubt fissure will return

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I feel like its been to short

hidden vault
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I think marve1 now has synergy with the other 5 starters on the team rn

trim shadow
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Fissure retired in stage 3 i believe so hes had enough time to take a break from OW

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Its the xqc affect

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You burnt out

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Or get kicked out

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Then you miss the feel of professional play

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Gesture and profit are playing for seoul so

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Marve1 could get traded but then again not likely

red anvil
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Who would want fissure when they have Gesture and Marvel lol

hidden vault
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Fissure hasn't played the new meta

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We don't know how good he is

gilded pond
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f155ure god

karmic grotto
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wait a second

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is void

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Dynasty?

hidden vault
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No?

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He was glads

karmic grotto
hidden vault
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Did people hate on the koreans or the fact they aren't EU?

gilded pond
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the latter

hidden vault
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*or on the team cause they falled their promise to go full eu?

gilded pond
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yh thats basically it, haven't seen anything thats actually racist but idk, still stupid that people are upset tho

short sparrow
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As a person that is... "upset", maybe I can clarify

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I don't hate on koreans

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I'm cool with Paris picking them up and trying to be competitive

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But I just want to see people from my area play too! ><

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Which is why I tend to support teams with western players

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And why I didn't want them to change their roster

trim shadow
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You have the right

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But you should also blame locals

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For being shit

hidden vault
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Thanks for your inputs guys

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But anymore? XD

pearl stratus
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Realistically being mad they're on your team because they're Korean is at its core racist. It's not hardcore aggressive racism.

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But you're mad at them being on your team because they're not white europeans.

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Rather than be mad that your region is literally dog shit, you're mad that someone else is playing in their place.

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Which is oof. Harmless oof.

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But oof.

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Also good on Kruise for calling out xenophobic shit fucks.

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A+.

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Makes up for how horribly he played last season.

short sparrow
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I mean, yeah, its on my region to be able to compete

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I'm just saying

hexed idol
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Pussy or ass?

short sparrow
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I'm not forced to like the change

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And I'm not racist for not liking it

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I think the best players should be the ones playing on OWL

hexed idol
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@short sparrow Do you eat dog with duck sauce

short sparrow
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But that's not necessarily what I want to watch

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No @hexed idol xD

hexed idol
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I like it with some rice

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But you do you

short sparrow
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And yes, I'll gladly go and watch only contenders if I have to

pearl stratus
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I'd rather not watch subpar OW just because there's the wrong race of people in it.

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But thats your call.

short sparrow
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And yes, I'm pretty mad Europe is shit

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I hope at least 1 european does well in the owwc

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But I don't really feel like its gonna happen .-.

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Is it not ok for me to support players from my region?

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And is it not ok for me to want my local team to invest in my region?

hidden vault
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@trim shadow

Linkzr did the Submiminal messages so he might be getting traded

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where?

trim shadow
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Subliminal*

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But

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  1. Hes western
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  1. What teams have only 2 or less dps
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  1. Rosters that arent filled or have options
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Atlanta toronto boston

hidden vault
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nonono

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I meant where are the messages

trim shadow
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Oh in his tweet

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He did the 👀

hidden vault
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in a reply?

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to who?

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and toronto currently 5 options for dps

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linkzer would not be considered

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unlikely

trim shadow
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Boston

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Link would fit in atlanta

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But hes not that much better over Babybay

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And id imagine nlaeer is better as well

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But erster doesnt have a back up so

hidden vault
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erster is more projectile tho

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linkzer on boston?

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I don't think that's possible too lol

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boston likes new blood

trim shadow
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But fusions is returning for s3

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Yes boston signed myunbong

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Not confirmed but

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Mixed roster id imagine

gilded pond
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well sfs have proven that mixed rosters can work

hidden vault
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boston has always gone for mixed rosters

trim shadow
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But with fusions at the helm

#

Will it actually work

hidden vault
#

nahh I think boston would still be another bottom team next season again

echo quest
#

Edison probably doesn’t have an offer

#

How fucking garbage is OWL scouting lmao

#

It’s actually sad

raw ermine
#

I just realised, both Vancouver this year and philly last year had a super agro main tank that plays rein, both got benched near the playoffs, and both lost in the finals

echo quest
#

See here’s the difference. Bumper didn’t feed on Winston

#

Tizi was just better

balmy wolf
#

tbf titans had a good chance at winning 2 maps but fucked up right when it actually matter

#

Eich was extremely close, so was Anubis

echo quest
#

South Korea 4th win incoming

#

Gonna be a stomp

balmy wolf
#

Well china doesnt have leave anymore soo......

#

yea basically SK probs gonna stomp again

trim shadow
#

Honestly wc probably isnt worth

balmy wolf
#

I mean the downtime is high without it

#

and its blizzcon

hidden vault
#

hope leave recovers:(

trim shadow
#

He has 3 months till leauge 2020

#

Hell recover

#

Holy shit leauge is not far away

little silo
raw ermine
#

That would be wild, but why would LAG ditch there 3 dps?

#

They are all so good and decay is the last

short sparrow
#

Technically surefour's transfer hasn't been announced yet

little silo
#

Decay is also expensive

short sparrow
#

Also, super leaked Gamsu leaving the Dragons

raw ermine
#

True, but its very hinted

trim shadow
#

Decay oh decay

#

But then again hey whoru might be actually happening

pearl stratus
#

For what?

#

A useless hero and nothing else he can play thats meta?

#

There's literally 0 reason to pick up Who?RU.

trim shadow
#

Dallas could be going mainly korean with western players

#

Not how a clue aero will handle that

#

With how incompetent he is as a coach

little silo
#

Hypothetically they have Gamsu, Closer and Decay rn

trim shadow
#

Mainly korean roster with a western player

#

Could be zach could be unkoe

little silo
#

but what western player would you run

trim shadow
#

Note if they managed to resign him

#

Yea note

#

But if note did leave dallas

#

Then tit would be between unkoe and harryhook

karmic grotto
#

Hol up

#

Dallas Fuel gonna have dps?

sullen berry
queen drift
#

who is fuels MT now

#

they were rumoured gamsu right?

short sparrow
#

Yay... Chara is back... .-.

sullen berry
#

Not confirmed but thats the only convincing one going about.

#

4 more announcements left until GZ get to post major updates to their roster

short sparrow
#

Do you think they are changing anything?

trim shadow
#

nah

#

there was really nothing wrong with their roster

#

id imagine fraggi bischu might come as well

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
balmy wolf
#

Is aero known as a bad coach?

trim shadow
#

depends on who you ask

rare sonnet
#

What do we think of the Dallas roster now if the changes are true

#

It'l be:

cold pier
#

@rare sonnet hint this is where you type

trim shadow
#

Gamsu note(maybe) decay Zacharee(or Taimou) unkoe closer

balmy wolf
#

also i’ve seen people saying taimou is bad but as far as i know he’s a good hitscan right?

tropic herald
#

He’s not as good as he used to be but he’s still really good

#

And his performance is kinda spotty

raw ermine
#

better than zach tho

pearl stratus
#

The problem with the Dallas changes are, in my opinion, they've changed nothing.

#

Sure they got some better players, a better leadership tank.

#

But they've had talent.

#

They just haven't had any visible or decent coaching.

#

And they kept the same coaches.

balmy wolf
#

Also is decay really a projectile heavy dps flex?

pearl stratus
#

It's primarily what he was known for.

balmy wolf
#

Has he played pharah?

tropic herald
#

Decay was basically just like Sparkle

balmy wolf
#

Guess his mei is just bad then.

pearl stratus
#

He played Pharah back in Apex, etc.

#

It's just been unnecessary for him to play it the last bit.

balmy wolf
#

then got locked onto zarya

#

and dding took over the pharah role

pearl stratus
#

Dding had taken it over prior to goats too.

tropic herald
#

GOATS PogU

pearl stratus
#

No one really touches Dding on Pharah, Jinmu probably gets the closest.

#

And then on LAG you wouldn't Decay Pharah over Hydration.

balmy wolf
#

I mean thats kind of debatable since dding is one the few players to actually ran pharah for long periods of time.

pearl stratus
#

It's been the same forever.

balmy wolf
#

And we didnt get to see it after playins

pearl stratus
#

It's just his thing.

tropic herald
#

Dding has a really nutty Pharah

#

And that’s the story

balmy wolf
#

I thought jinmu had a nutty pharah until nero nuked him over and over

pearl stratus
#

Pharah, Sombra and Hanzo were kind of always his go to.

tropic herald
#

I think Nero is one of my favorite players

balmy wolf
#

Dragons were so close reverse sweeping london

#

until profit had to flex and kept contesting dding

tropic herald
#

8 maps was heartbreaking for Shanghai

balmy wolf
#

on the last round too

#

Would've been worst if shock reverse swept in stage 3 playoffs

#

And double shield was gonna be such a perfect fit for dragons dps

hidden vault
#

Isn't paris gonna pick up the rest of sparkle?

balmy wolf
#

the rest of EM? Probs not

#

Unless they start dropping their french players

#

But with NineK on board, their probs gonna see how a mixed roster works

#

Seeing that everyone expect few teams are going the shock route

hidden vault
#

Technically they only have 4 french players

#

They definitely need a new main tank and support line

mint flower
#

As a dragons fan watching that final ilios map was painful

jagged crater
#

are they keeping all those western players?

#

seems unusually mixed roster

rare magnet
#

is there a change jehong stays in seoul

supple prism
#

i think its a strong chance

rare magnet
#

good

hidden vault
#

Very unlikely

#

They released him right?

sullen berry
#

Free agent

#

Which means until the deadline November 15

#

He could very well be released and moved on to another team

trim shadow
#

November 11th is when FA’s sign with teams

#

November 15th is roster deadline

#

!owl2020

hidden vault
#

Nov 15th is not exactly the roster deadline

#

But the deadline to have at least 8 players

#

Tho I sincerely wonder what will happen if all of the players in one team are down because of a resturant mistake

sullen berry
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
sullen berry
#

@hidden vault a restaurant mistake 🤔

#

Legit could happen, but I don't see it if it never occurred in LA

#

I mean all the Korean players just won't suddenly have a tolerance for Western food

#

Or as geguri mentioned for Chinese

#

Just gets kinda bland (small sample size, it was with the losing shanghai roster which I wouldn't call a very well organised team by any stretch)

#

Just don't give your teammates fire noodles NewYorkExcelsior

trim shadow
hidden vault
#

Well I'm not talking about food intolerance but food poisoning

#

An improper storage of food, hygiene could cause it

#

And owl doesnt seem to have anything in their guidelines? When the whole team is unable to play?

trim shadow
#

I dont think its to that level yet

#

Like where a whole team gets food poison

#

With new york they just couldnt handle spicy food

supple prism
#

Lol, Fran was dropped from her team.

trim shadow
#

Df already

#

Why

hidden vault
#

Prove?

#

Like wtf?

trim shadow
#

Did she get a owl offer?

#

If not thats a pepega move

#

After claiming u wanted togo pro for so fucking long

#

Get the chance and then N A H

hidden vault
#

No obv

#

I think she was unhappy judging by the tweet

trim shadow
#

she didnt play a bloody game

#

And she had aspen has her support partner

#

What the shit is there not to be happy about

hidden vault
#

Team practice etc

#

Idk

tropic herald
#

Aren’t they both flex support players

hidden vault
#

I'm not part of the team

trim shadow
#

Aspen is more ms

#

Fran is FS

hidden vault
#

Teams can have all kind of issues

pearl stratus
#

She's also, with no disrespect, an attractive woman making moves. You have no clue how the players/other people were towards her.

#

So it could be something in that vein.

#

Gotta remember most people are shit fucks, especially with the internet.

tropic herald
#

Wouldn’t be surprised if there was harassment either

trim shadow
#

Inb4 aspen leaks

jagged crater
#

contenders move up!?

trim shadow
hidden vault
#

But I also did question
If it is along those lines, isnt Aspen in the same position? I mean it's possible Fran may take the bulk of it idk

#

At this point or departure is all speculations

still summit
#

when does 3v3 comp end boys

trim shadow
hidden vault
#

@still summit that's not esports

still summit
#

I know

#

no-one is answering

#

,_,

balmy wolf
#

probably because no one knows

raw ermine
#

We let go another coach.

blissful heron
#

Bye mobydik

#

Also to a general owl audience, would you guys like to see announcers for the teams, like traditional sports?

trim shadow
#

Maybe

#

Would be nice

upper niche
#

I think the reality is that for 2020 we're going to see the talent team expanded in a way. I would expect it will involve sending one of the current four pairs to each venue, and using a local team to alternate between.

#

So if you have say 3 games Saturday and 3 games Sunday in... I dunno, Vancouver, or China - they might use a contenders pair of casters for 2 on Saturday and 1 on Sunday, and vice-versa of one of the existing OWL talent team.

#

Also remember that that $90m Twitch contract expired and is either up for renewal or replacement for 2020 - it only covered Seasons 1-2.

trim shadow
#

Wolf and achillios will more then likely cover the Asia games or asian division

#

semm and hex will probably cover the san frasisco vancouver games

#

Etc etc

upper niche
#

Monte/Doa and Uber/MrX probably have the pull to choose which matches they get. They'll get some of those 'premier' locations - New York, Atlanta, probably Seoul, London...

trim shadow
raw ermine
#

is that ivy to NYXL?

trim shadow
#

Yep

#

Doesnt make a lick of sense

pearl stratus
#

Actually it does.

#

NYXL doesn't have multiple flex players and Ivy is an -strong- flex DPS, he just hit language issues where he was and couldn't work in a mixed roster with horrid communication

#

But if you've seen him play this gives Libero a real partner.

glad frost
#

I'm gonna get kicked and banned for this question but:
Why do American teams (from American cities) consists fully out of Korean players that not occasionally cannot even speak English properly? Doesn't that just neglect the point of the name of the team?
Maybe there is some simple reason I do not know but I need someone to point it out to me

pearl stratus
#

Because people want the best players.

raw ermine
#

That happens in a lot of sports

pearl stratus
#

Look at baseball and the funnel that comes from South America/Dominican Republic.

#

Talent is talent, doesn't have a race or language.

raw ermine
#

In hockey, lots of EU players are in the NHL

#

Cause they are good

pearl stratus
#

Also.

#

New York City and LA have the worlds second and third largest concentration of Korean people outside of Korea, if my memory is correct.

#

So its still a very factual representation of the cities.

glad frost
#

But why are the names like "Houston outlaws" and not some other name like "Fnatic" or "Envyus"

#

That would make a lot more sense to me

pearl stratus
#

Because those teams are garbage.

#

So no one cared.

balmy wolf
#

only people who are into esports know those teams

#

if you use a city name then everyone knows

#

easier to associate with

trim shadow
#

The goal of the leauge was to always be a nfl for esports

raw ermine
#

I would be more willing to cheer for a team named after my city, than something like that

trim shadow
#

Give everyone a reason to care for esports

#

And its worked

pearl stratus
#

Dallas Fuel could have been Dallas Envy, it just sounds like trash, too.

raw ermine
#

its emotional in the end

balmy wolf
#

OWL is mimicking other franchise leagues

glad frost
#

Ok then
Just doesn't work for me I guess...

balmy wolf
#

works for everyone really

#

this is just how sports works

#

No one is gonna give a shit about team envy or fnatic for longs periods of time, their gonna care about their city.

glad frost
#

I am fan of Team Liquid in LCS and It works for me better than any other name. It has much more profound meaning behind it

pearl stratus
#

It has history, thats literally the only reason.

balmy wolf
#

Because you know esports.

pearl stratus
#

For a new person?

#

LCS could literally stand for Little Cock Suckers.

#

And they wouldn't know, or care.

#

It's easier for a new person to find meaning in a geographic location, since its constant.

#

So it makes sense for a league to go with the most consistent, and world wide recognizable, branding.

#

Which is teams via cities.

#

There's also a very different way in which the two things actually work. LCS isn't a league in the standard sense, there's no schedule, no games.

#

Just tournaments.

glad frost
#

The video take 3 minutes and 29 seconds and explain what liquid means. You have to travel from here 12 hours on a plain to get to Houston. Or 3 hours on a plane to get to London to have team to cheer for.

trim shadow
#

Which is why im all in for csgo to franchise even if they dont take City names

#

Csgo teams rarely change rosters anyway

balmy wolf
#

you dont have to travel to the city to be a fan

glad frost
#

Bruce Lee: Be like water (Inspirational) <- For anyone who cares

#

But for now, thank you for explanation

#

It's 3 in the morning so good night

trim shadow
#

And ya do realize people travel all across america just togo see a caifornia team play in florida

#

But thats hardcore fams

#

Fans

raw ermine
#

Please can agilities and s4 go to TD this week plz

swift moth
#

We’ve been waiting so long for what we all know is happening lol

hidden vault
#

Then I guess since ivy is leaving they can keep mangachu

solemn dirge
#

is this group alive?

worn falcon
#

is alive usually, but there is no news so far, so nothing to especulate till new trades or OWWC starts

trim shadow
#

This sections come alive during games or news

#

And since its not febuary were quiet

balmy wolf
limber pine
#

I told people weeks ago to expect lots of retirements

#

Being an esports pro is rough; being one who’s gonna travel the amount OWL will is worse

velvet scarab
#

traveling that much will be so rough for them

balmy wolf
#

GUYS I JUST GOT A NEW SETUP

karmic grotto
#

ok?

trim shadow
#

F for youngjin

#

Doomfist god

karmic grotto
#

But Doomfist probs will not be meta anymore

balmy wolf
#

How do you make an overwatch league team

limber pine
#

you don't

#

unless you have a 60 million dollar buyin plus money for travel and accommodations for years.

karmic grotto
#

But it was 20 million?

#

Also, exactly why does it cost that much?

limber pine
#

I dont' know if it's ever been confirmed, but season 2 did increase

#

Why does it cost that much? It costs that much because either 1) Blizz set it at that, or 2) teams are willing to pay it

#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
minor flame
#

What is buy in

#

Eli5

limber pine
#

a fee to participate

#

like with poker

trim shadow
#

60 mil buy in

#

Guess no s4 expansion

#

Only billioaires will do that

limber pine
#

it depends

#

it's likely with localization that Blizz is already talking to teams about s4

#

and it's entirely possible that some teams are already official

#

maybe we'll see something at Blizzcon

balmy wolf
#

YoungJin was a good DF but also a very good Roadhog. Role lock killed flex players but he could still specialize in OT if he doesn’t find as dps.

blissful heron
#

Chicago May never happen rip my cousins

pearl stratus
#

@limber pine It should be pointed out that this is nothing, historically, new. The earlier you buy in the cheaper the buy in always is.

#

Because buying in early has an increased chance of risk to your investment.

#

Things are much more likely to fail year 1 versus year 4, even less likely yeah 15+.

#

The NFL is a fun one. Original Buy In for the NFL was around $100 iirc. But this was back in 1920.

#

Right now if you were looking to buy a team you're looking at ~1 billion, give or take.

trim shadow
#

If there is a s4 expansion it will probably 3-4 teams deep

pearl stratus
#

natural assumption is they'll be done in multiples of 2, no matter what.

#

Since you need divisions to remain even

trim shadow
#

That is true

#

So would there be 10 buyers?

pearl stratus
#

So you could add say.. two chinese teams and keep that division even, although biggers than the others, etc.

limber pine
#

the easiest way would be to add two asian and two eu

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, but either way I don't see it being done in multiples other than 2.

#

Say Chicago wants to add a team, they'll most likely try and get a second east coast NA type team as well.

#

Though a 1:1:1:1 would also work

limber pine
#

that'd be ideal

trim shadow
#

Chicago and minnesota

limber pine
#

but I'd assume divisions could just get reshuffled again

trim shadow
#

The outliers are london and Paris

#

Id assume expasion will be focused there

#

Build a eu division and then add to the others

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, my guess is they'll do lower buy ins for teams willing to be in the EU region.

#

Try and get a second and third London.

#

At least thats how I'd manage it.

#

Want to buy in a team in Korea? Okay, 45 million. Want to buy in in EU? 35 million.

trim shadow
#

You could realisticly fit 1 more team in the uk then then lockdown germany and sweden

#

Well screw sweden

#

Germany and Belgium

#

Yeaa thatd work avoid political issues

midnight sierra
#

What are the requirements for an OWL team name? They seem to have wide boundaries

#

Do they have to be named after somewhere that the managers or players are from?

limber pine
#

No, it's just a franchised team.

#

They work with Blizzard to "claim" a city and create a name

#

just like Soccer or football or any other traditional sport

midnight sierra
#

So I'm from Canada, theoretically (I know the process to make a team) I could name a team something from Germany or Russia

limber pine
#

if you had millions of dollars yes

#

the team just has to play their home games in Germany or Russia

#

or wherever

#

most owners though have ties to the city their team is in

midnight sierra
#

Oh damn

#

I guess I'm going with Halifax or smth

#

If I make a team

#

That ends up being eligible for OWL

#

Very small chances tho

#

Recruiting is hard

limber pine
#

you don't "make a team" that ends up being eligible

#

you buy a spot

trim shadow
midnight sierra
#

Oh

#

How much does a spot cost ?

#

Is it millions, or thousands

#

I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to esports stuff

limber pine
#

the Season 2 buyin was rumored in the $40-60 million range

hidden vault
#

Hope zunba gets a team

#

Maybe with jehong and tobi

blissful heron
#

<@&397922982632226816>

#

Can you put this up?

limber pine
#

yes

outer vapor
#

yes

blissful heron
#

Thanks

#

Thanks

#

Can you add the logo reply thing? I love doing those

#

Thank you

limber pine
#

👍

#

in case you needed more proof that TD is going western

raw ermine
#

Who did lilbow coach for before?

limber pine
#

he did not coach

#

he played for team gigantti

raw ermine
#

Ah ok

limber pine
hidden vault
#

kariv is korean tho

limber pine
#

okay

slate path
#

hi

raw ermine
#

Who is beast halo?

limber pine
#

former Fusion University tank

#

err, current

pearl stratus
#

He's really solid, was going to play for one of the Chinese teams last year till Silkthread quit.

#

Without Silkthread for translating they dropped his option.

soft prawn
#

What is your guys favorite team/

raw ermine
#

Toronto

soft prawn
#

o nice

#

my favorite team is the LA gladiators

hidden vault
#

Slikthread was chengdu right?

pearl stratus
#

@limber pine Did you see the RJH interview?

jagged crater
#

i remember when people trashed on silkthread for being a ladder player

#

turns out he was pretty good eh

#

Every pro had to start somewhere, being a random top 500 player on ladder is a common starting point

pearl stratus
#

What? Silkthread was on CLG with Hydration.

limber pine
#

parts of it

jagged crater
#

whatever happened to miso

#

he kinda disappeared

#

i was referring to when silkthread was a last minute pickup for clg

trim shadow
#

Silk was suppose to be chengdu

jagged crater
#

and he was only on clg for half a month before he went to LAV

limber pine
trim shadow
#

Nice

#

Now wheres s4

raw ermine
#

So we got a good deal

#

Sweet

#

Very smart

limber pine
tropic herald
#

Ivy to Fusion

trim shadow
#

Resign all there coaches

#

But drop all there players?

limber pine
#

coaches are cheap

#

players are not

trim shadow
#

If theyre gonna drop all there players

#

They mines as well drop all their coaches minus packingp

#

Rebuild

balmy wolf
#

I mean these were the same coaches who made the come back possible

#

Imagine going 0-7 in stage 1 and then somehow almost making top 12 but were off by 1 loss.

trim shadow
#

U gave reasons why not to trust em

#

They were part of that 0-7 shennangins

tropic herald
#

They already dropped their head coach from 0-7

balmy wolf
#

Which was coach Moon who is on dragons.

tropic herald
#

Moon just posted something today too but I can’t read Korean and it wouldn’t let me translate

jagged crater
#

looks like the kariv agilities bromance too strong to be split

#

money wasnt enough to split them

trim shadow
#

Or teams that offered kariv 250k

hidden vault
#

Because the Valiant are reportedly downsizing financially in 2020, they were more interested in a deal that took both player’s contracts off their books, even if it meant getting less money for both in the end.

trim shadow
#

Didnt wanna sign agilities

hidden vault
#

really?

#

the valiant could have gotten kariv or 250k or even 350k

trim shadow
#

Id imagine kariv and agilities both had bonuses and decently high contracts with val

hidden vault
#

and toronto would still sign agilities

#

what a bad deal lol

jagged crater
#

toronto just form team canada

#
  • kariv
balmy wolf
#

probs just want to get the deal over with

jagged crater
#

sounds like a pretty good team actually

balmy wolf
#

and not have other teams bidding over them

trim shadow
#

Beasthalo kariv agil mangachu so far

hidden vault
#

weren't they in need of money? lol

tropic herald
#

Team Canada is just a big bromance

trim shadow
#

!!owl2020

#

!!Owl2020

balmy wolf
#

Vals parent company was burning money for the past few months

#

Immortals probs spent like 50 mill alone this year

hidden vault
#

they really could have gotten kariv's deal lol

trim shadow
#

Higher then 50 mil

fringe crystal
#

faxs

balmy wolf
#

ok more like 80 mil

#

they bought out a company and bought another league spot for COD

trim shadow
#

The leauge spot was a minimum of 40 mil i believe

balmy wolf
#

Its no wonder why Val is force to downsize

hidden vault
#

And it also means the player don't get a choice on where to go?

#

No no no

balmy wolf
#

no

hidden vault
#

They bought another org

jagged crater
#

valiant goin for mostly contenders players?

hidden vault
#

Imagine immoral gaming buying another immortal gaming

#

But only slightly smaller

balmy wolf
#

Remember the whole houston val thing? That was Val parent org buying out houstons parent org.

hidden vault
#

Probablh at least 100mil

tropic herald
#

Valiant pulling a Boston

balmy wolf
#

Well at least their HC is decent

tropic herald
#

Also is the Florida RunAway thing still happening

balmy wolf
#

not in terms of players

#

but they got 2 coaches from runaway

#

one of them being kuki

tropic herald
#

Damn

#

Oge to LAV?

balmy wolf
#

no

tropic herald
#

Then Gamsu to Fuel

balmy wolf
#

OGE to glads

tropic herald
#

Oh yeah

#

Lol

balmy wolf
#

Decay to fuel

tropic herald
#

Then Fate to Shanghai

trim shadow
#

140 mil is a rough estimate for how much immortals sent

tropic herald
#

And Fleta to Shanghai

trim shadow
#

Spent*

#

But that shouldnt break the camels back

#

But it will force them to re evaluate there budget for 2020

#

And establish one going into 2021

#

Minimum 8 salaries for owl

#

At least 6-7 salaries for cod leauge

balmy wolf
#

more like 12

#

coaching staff

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and most likely their getting a team house

trim shadow
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Oh yea thats mandatory for at least the first half of the season

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And ya cant go cheap on that

upper niche
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@trim shadow OWL Season 1 franchies were varied, but many in the ballpark of USD12m. OWL Season 2 franchies went all the way up to USD60m(!)

trim shadow
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25 mil to 30 mil

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the season 4 expansion is rumored to shoot up between 40 mil to 60 mil

upper niche
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They were varied. Two particular teams paid USD60m. Wanna guess which ones? 😄

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OWL wanted the Season 2 league expansion to be a further 6 teams. ... but 2 wanted in late in the piece after the franchises had been assigned - and were willing to pay for the place.

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I would doubt if Season 4 can command that much. The franchise fees they're asking excluded any interest from a number of Australian potential powners, and a second Korean team. We might, maybe, see two additional teams in season 4 - but I think it's more like that any more than that would be a franchise being sold and moved.

trim shadow
blissful heron
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<@&397922334540824577>

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oh i was slightly late

limber pine
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You can let @feral topaz know if I’m late

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There’s no need to ping an admin

trim shadow
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Still calling bullshit myunbong only got 1 offer

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And dude was nutty in contenders

limber pine