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echo quest
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Yuh

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Plus if they signed sparkle then they going for being the the best team in the league

nova wadi
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I honestly don’t see why they’d keep the other players anyways, they aren’t that good..

echo quest
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Which would mean replacing everyone else

nova wadi
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Unless their contract said so

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But yeah I just hope they go full Korean id love to see that with these coaches and now sp9rkle

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Who knows who else might be coming ?

balmy wolf
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I doubt this mixed roster is gonna go super team status

nova wadi
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With the players right now it’d be mediocre

balmy wolf
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Shock picks up were good in the fact that all of expect viol2t all played in mixed rosters and the coaches have experience with mixed rosters.

nova wadi
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Correct

balmy wolf
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All 3 picks ups for paris haven't been on any mixed roster.

nova wadi
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Assuming the coaches don’t even speak English or barely any English I wonder how that’s gonna go down

mint flower
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wait i thought NineK was head coach

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are they pulling a fusion and having co head coaches?

balmy wolf
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Ninek is the HC

nova wadi
mint flower
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they said Rush is their head coach for the 2020 season

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in the tweet

nova wadi
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I like how he said it was an unexpected team to join

karmic grotto
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ice

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Nice

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So he sounds actually like some Anime character in a sports series

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Who will bring the best out of his team to win the league

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Power of friendship

limber pine
mint flower
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oh wow

karmic grotto
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hmmmmmmm

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Interesting

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Still nothing about tank lines

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as coach

trim shadow
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sparkle actually went to paris

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im just confuised

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and they signed aid?

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what the fuck is going on??

limber pine
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aid as a coach

karmic grotto
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unpopular opinion: I like Sparkle and Rush going to Paris

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Paris Eternal will grow and become what they should have been

limber pine
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yeah

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probably an upopular opinion, but it shouldn't be

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sparkle is an obvious upgrade over danye/sdb last year

echo quest
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Where should Eqo go?

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Honestly he would be pog on glads

pearl stratus
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Remember that time when people were like "We want our team to lose so it should stay EU only, and they'll never get Koreans"

karmic grotto
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I hope Sparkle to stream sometime

pearl stratus
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Those were good times.

echo quest
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I just want to say philly dropped Eqo their best player before Sado

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Pogchamp

pearl stratus
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Because EQO isn't Korean.

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Learn proper racism.

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They dropped every round eye 😛

karmic grotto
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Sado is trash

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Chansik is way better

echo quest
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Black Miro strikes again

pearl stratus
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But he's korean trash.

karmic grotto
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^

pearl stratus
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But like I said yesterday, going full Korean was probably the only way they could keep Carpe.

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So they caved.

echo quest
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But why

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Eqo was better than carpe lmao

pearl stratus
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Because Carpe is shit but people love him, and they want to build around him.

karmic grotto
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People love him?

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Not after what he did to Fragi

echo quest
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He’s really popular

pearl stratus
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have you tried telling a Philly fan how bad Carpe was in Season 2?

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It's like telling Trump that women have rights.

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It doesn't go well.

echo quest
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He just needs to be back on widow duhhhhhh. Oh wait he looked shit on her too

pearl stratus
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Plus look at all the widow duels Carpe won in Season 2.

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There was....

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and...

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And don't forget ...

karmic grotto
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Diem > Carpe

limber pine
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the quality of widows in the league dramatically increased

echo quest
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Honestly pog champ for Eqo leaving

pearl stratus
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Zach did more than Carpe in Season 2. Prove me wrong.

echo quest
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My guy gonna go to glads

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100%

pearl stratus
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Put him on Toronto.

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Just stick all the western dps there.

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Logix, Surefour, Agilities, Eqo.

karmic grotto
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It's a like a bin for former players

echo quest
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Oh ye

karmic grotto
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Put them together

pearl stratus
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Get rid of Mangachu.

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I know people love Mangachu

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But really.

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Unnecessary.

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Houston picks up a sixth DPS, gets EQO.

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I'm still big braining that Jake goes to OT.

echo quest
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All star needs to change

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There is no way someone like pine should be a starter

pearl stratus
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Eh, leave it as it is.

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No one will ever take All Star a serious game.

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So you use it as a fan event.

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In that sense Pine makes sense.

echo quest
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True

pearl stratus
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Remember when they tried to make the first All Star super serious?

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And then players were like "Fuck that. Torb hammer kills."

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And they just gave up.

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You know what'd fuck my life up? If Gesture played a rotational tank hit scan.

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Because he's got one of the more absurdly solid widows, and thats just weird.

hidden vault
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If they really want it to be serious

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They would have to some how tie that to the league playoffs

karmic grotto
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I member

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When gesture was winning against birdring

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but he decided notto sad him

trim shadow
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What if panker philly

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Even tho panker was in hibernation

limber pine
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what teams need main tanks

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alot right?

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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
feral wing
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Im so disappointed in Paris

limber pine
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London LAG LAV Toronto Philly have none under contract

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why jackerco

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Sp4rk1e is like this year's decay

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much desired by many teams

feral wing
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they dropped shadowburn and the entire european power house branding

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so im disappointed

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they couldve easily made a great european roster this year too

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Nevix, Neptuno, Boombox etc

trim shadow
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Theres eu sparkle

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And sp9rkle

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It gets confusing

limber pine
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could they not still pick up those players?

feral wing
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they are moving to a mixed roster obviously

trim shadow
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Paris has most of there french players

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So theyre looking like philly EU and korean mixed roster

gilded pond
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I think houston should pick up nevix they need better off tanks

trim shadow
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The engrish is gonna suck

feral wing
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which is against their entire branding, yeah I understand why they did it

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but still

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disappointed

trim shadow
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Leaks said nevix already signed to toronto

feral wing
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and also I feel bad for shadowburn

trim shadow
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Probably pending leauge approval

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The thing is

feral wing
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the man has had one hell of an unlucky streak

trim shadow
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Most of there french players are not that good

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Benbest Soon finsi? And someone else

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Greyy

feral wing
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finnsi isnt french

trim shadow
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Actually greyy was ok

limber pine
gilded pond
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finnsi was pog why did he go

trim shadow
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Oh h y p

limber pine
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Greyy and SoOn are good

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HyP is meh

trim shadow
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And ok it is korean sparkle

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Thats so weird

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Then the rest of EM is going to paris

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Has to be

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Or at least doha

limber pine
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not necessarily

feral wing
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welp guess who's off the paris train

limber pine
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it does help that Rush is there now though

feral wing
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or its not a train

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more of a

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sinking ship

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honestly

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but yeah Im off it

trim shadow
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Alpha hanbin sparkle doha undine

feral wing
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and also philly dropping eqo?

trim shadow
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Thats who i think will follow

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Id imagine eqo got a better offer somewhere

feral wing
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yeah i need to find new teams to root for next season probs

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houston might be interesting

gilded pond
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bro what are houston on right now

echo quest
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@trim shadow panker is ass

gilded pond
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how many dps do they have now?

limber pine
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5

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jake/danteh/blase/linkzr/hydration

feral wing
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if houston drops danteh we riot

limber pine
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why

trim shadow
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Linkzr did the Submiminal messages so he might be getting traded

limber pine
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jackerco you really like to overreact don't you

feral wing
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..

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its

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a copy pasta

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..

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if (blank) does (blank) we riot

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oh

echo quest
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Who’s their 5th dps again?

limber pine
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jake/danteh/blase/linkzr/hydration

pearl stratus
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Houston? Hydration, Blase, Jake, Linkzr, Danteh.

echo quest
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Blase

gilded pond
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I have no idea what they're doing cus i always thought it was their supports who weren't holding up

echo quest
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Ah

pearl stratus
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My theory is that Jake may use the off-season and transition to off-tank. He's been grinding it on ladder, and its honestly not half bad.

feral wing
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houston are probably making moves to improve tank and support rn

gilded pond
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blase offtank?

pearl stratus
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he was sitting around 4450 last stream I caught which is respectable.

gilded pond
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He wasn't that good but thats the only reason i can think to have him

pearl stratus
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Blase was fine, for picking up an OT role due to an illness.

gilded pond
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cus doesn't he have the same hero pool as hydration

pearl stratus
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They differ in some spots.

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With Blase able to flex to some hitscan.

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Flex DPS are also, realistically, the only DPS that matter.

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Hitscan hasn't been a thing for over a year now.

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It'll come back around eventually, but you're better off filling with flex in either case.

feral wing
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the meta does shift so thats one hell of a gamble to make

gilded pond
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Just seems they're fixing the wrong places

echo quest
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Do you guys think Birdring is done?

pearl stratus
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Nah people are looking at it too limited.

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They picked up two DPS players who have flexed, succcessfully, into multiple roles.

gilded pond
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they're backline have been nothing to write home about

pearl stratus
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It's a solid way to future proof players and help your team in a travel situation.

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Hydration has played every role but flex support on the stage.

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Every one.

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That's never a bad pick up.

echo quest
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Bruh

feral wing
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hes also a really good dps

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really good

echo quest
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HYDRATION HAS PLAYED LUCIO

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On stage

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S1

pearl stratus
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Yeah, but more than that when traveling you have a player that can bandaid a TON of situations too.

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Lucio is a MS.

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😛

feral wing
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eh

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debatable

echo quest
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Just saw support

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Didn’t see the flex part xD

pearl stratus
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Blase is the same.

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Season 2 was learning that players who can flex was super important.

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Season 3 is going to be multi-role players.

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I'm calling it now.

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Keeps your budget down, and helps your team in travel emergencies.

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Not your entire roster obviously, but having 2-3 players who can play multiple roles at a good level will help a LOT.

gilded pond
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whats happening with LAV cus they got rid of 3 really good players

pearl stratus
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They're broke.

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Welfare ass garbage.

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They overspent getting their CoD spot, and don't have anything left. They'll do their best to moneyball it, which we've seen be successful.

tropic herald
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LAV parent org overspent

gilded pond
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ffs

pearl stratus
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While everyone acknowledges that HuK is an asshole, he can still spot talent and bring in staff that can get talent at low cost.

gilded pond
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I guess COD does have a bigger audience

pearl stratus
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It's up to LAV to see if they can do that too.

trim shadow
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Hydration trying to be a NA leave

gilded pond
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isn't whoRU 18 now?

trim shadow
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Ye

pearl stratus
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He's a trash person.

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So most orgs are probably avoiding him.

feral wing
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most players are

trim shadow
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Mechnically gifted but not blessed with personality

pearl stratus
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Yeah most players aren't sat for entire Apex runs, and sent back to Korean on loan for attitude issues.

gilded pond
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oh damn

pearl stratus
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WhoRU is a piece of shit.

trim shadow
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Dallas and london look like prime spots to pixk him up tho

gilded pond
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still a good player

pearl stratus
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Good players don't mean shit if no one wants to play with them and they cause issues.

trim shadow
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Its the same situation with krystal

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Mechnically gifted

pearl stratus
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So Orgs have to be realistic picking him up.

trim shadow
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Shit personality

pearl stratus
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Dallas would be making a huge mistake picking him up, honestly.

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They don't have the structure to discipline a potato.

feral wing
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dallas in general is a mistake at this point

pearl stratus
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The only roster I would put him on is one with RJH/Tobi.

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Because they've kept him in line before.

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Granted it was after benching him for an entire Apex in which Tobi played DPS and they still won.

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Proving that he was overrated and unneeded.

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But it got his head out of his ass for a while.

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Which was nice to see.

trim shadow
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That would actually be pretty pog

feral wing
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so fury is going to nyxl?

trim shadow
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If rjh wants to stay as a duo with tobi

pearl stratus
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That's the current leaks.

trim shadow
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And then whoru ends up on the same team

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With other talents

gilded pond
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He gonna get picked up tho

hidden vault
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Carpe to nyxl was wrong too

pearl stratus
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Carpe to NYXL was probably right, at the time.

hidden vault
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Maybe fury to nyxl is nahh

gilded pond
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wheres that

trim shadow
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Realistectly

pearl stratus
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Then Fusion fired all their non-Koreans.

trim shadow
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Fury can only land in two places

feral wing
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fury is probably going to nyxl

trim shadow
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Seoul or new york

feral wing
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london arent gonna keep him at this rate

gilded pond
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poko still there no?

feral wing
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poko is still there as far as I know

hidden vault
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I mean carpe's deal fell through cpuld be the same with fury

trim shadow
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Poko and boombox

pearl stratus
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I'm expecting a Poko trade real quick.

feral wing
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are philly going full korean?

hidden vault
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Boombox?

gilded pond
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hopefully to houston

trim shadow
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Itll probably be to paris

pearl stratus
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Honest guess is yes, they're going full Korean.

hidden vault
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They still have to get rid of boombox

trim shadow
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If it isnt paris god dammit

pearl stratus
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That seemed to be a really big thing to Carpe.

feral wing
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why would you build your roster around carpe..

trim shadow
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3 year extension btw

pearl stratus
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And if they did, as rumored, sign him to a 3 year that means they were willing to back down on issues.

hidden vault
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Also where is that linkzer tweet?

feral wing
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just get a different player

trim shadow
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Its a pretty big move for carpe

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Not for fusion

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Cause Fusions will have. Buy out his ccontract

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And id imagine they probably gave carpe like

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300k

pearl stratus
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Oh interesting.

trim shadow
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300k-410k

twilit ridge
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damn

pearl stratus
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Paris got Levi too.

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So thats 3 Korean coaches.

feral wing
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who is the highest paid player atm?

pearl stratus
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That's a full RIP to that EU dream.

trim shadow
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More then likely sinatraa

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Sinatraa has dummy thicc stocks

pearl stratus
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As far as public knowledge is aware Decay still has the largest.

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But most player salaries aren't public.

feral wing
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what was decay's salary?

trim shadow
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Sinatraa could lowkey be a millionaire

pearl stratus
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300k give or take

trim shadow
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But its not known

pearl stratus
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Personally I think Paris is still going to fail if they try to hybrid French/Korean.

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So we'll see how that plays out.

feral wing
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paris are not going full korean, i refuse to believe that

pearl stratus
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I'm just saying they're going to most likely fail if they don't.

gilded pond
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won't it be english/korean

feral wing
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not necessarily

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endoken

gilded pond
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why would they speak french?

pearl stratus
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I mean obviously its an opinion, but we've yet to have a really successful first year split roster team.

trim shadow
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French and korean the tale of two bad engrish’s

pearl stratus
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Split rosters take time to develop.

trim shadow
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Hell even speaking french is a little bit jibberish

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Id imagine paris will be this years hangzhou

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Not do shit for the first half of the season

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And then suddenyl

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Hit there strides

hidden vault
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Isn't shock the only split roster that succeeded?

pearl stratus
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Yes, but not in first year.

hidden vault
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Also glads?

pearl stratus
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Glads have only ever won a single playoff game.

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I wouldn't call that success.

hidden vault
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Sparks is korean + 1

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Do you consider?

trim shadow
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Probably why glads just decided to sell them

pearl stratus
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Guxue spoke basic Korean before joining HZS.

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It was in his WC article from last year, he basically only plays ladder on the Korean servers.

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Or did - while he was in China.

feral wing
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are we talking split down the middle or one/two korean players

pearl stratus
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I'd say a mixed roster would be anywhere in 40-60% mix.

feral wing
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because if we're talking about one/two players then philly season 1 was definitely a success

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ah

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ok

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in that case philly wouldnt count

pearl stratus
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Yeah I'm talking more of the shock split, or LAG, etc.

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Even Shanghai S1.

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With the 2 Korean 4 Chinese.

feral wing
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we do not speak of shanghai season 1

pearl stratus
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Well 3 Korean. Daemin.

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Ado too.

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Jesus I forgot all of them.

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The biggest issue for Paris is if they keep the EU supports, or go Korean on that.

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For me the biggest indicator for a potential of success is the communication between front and back.

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Having separate languages for tanks/supports is a recipe for disaster.

feral wing
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honestly i still believe paris shouldve stuck to the eu power house branding for next year
keep shadowburn, pick up boombox, neptuno and nevix + a different (and obviously better) main tank and you have one hell of an eu roster

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but its too late now

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i just hope shadowburn finds a new home which finally treats him right

limber pine
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support and offtank was their strongest parts

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arguably

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they needed better dps and main tank play

feral wing
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in goats

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since goats is no longer physically possible

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they do not need new dps, soon and shadowburn are definitely more than capable

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or depends honestly

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soon has been a weird case

trim shadow
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hahaha so sign ark

gilded pond
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the second genji is meta sdb will be picked but his only other decent hero is hanzo

feral wing
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pharah

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he can also play tracer quite well etc

gilded pond
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yh and that

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not tracer tho

limber pine
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i just can't believe your team signed arguably the best free agent dps player and you're upset about it

gilded pond
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not OWL level

feral wing
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he has played tracer many times

gilded pond
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Ik

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just not to a great level

feral wing
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wat

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cant edit

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shadowburn being a genji/pharah two trick is a myth

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as we have seen

gilded pond
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sparkle is just a better player

feral wing
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well thats not the argument

gilded pond
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if they can sort out the communication it should be fun

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There is no argument

feral wing
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i said that i believe paris shouldve stuck to the eu power house branding

pearl stratus
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I'd remove the power from that sentence.

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But beyond that, okay.

feral wing
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that was their branding

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thats how they branded themselves

pearl stratus
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There was nothing powerful about Paris last stage.

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It was like 1938 all over again.

feral wing
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eh

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i never said they were a power house

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i said thats how they branded themselves

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and that is how they branded themselves

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unfortunately they were always somwhere in the middle of mediocre and bad

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always starting off strong and then finishing quite poorly

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every stage

pearl stratus
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It looks like they want wins more than fans.

feral wing
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well yeah

gilded pond
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no point if u can sign sparkle not to sign him, SDB had 2 seasons of mediocre gameplay, their main tanks were shocking and soon couldn't carry enough in the metas he was put in

feral wing
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shadowburn didnt have 2 seasons of mediocre gameplay

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he had one stage of great gameplay, then got benched in favor of someone with a larger hero pool and better comms

pearl stratus
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He didn't play enough to consider it two seasons.

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He wasn't useful in really.. any situation in any meta.

feral wing
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then he came onto a bad team in a meta that didnt suit him at all

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what?

gilded pond
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exactly

feral wing
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you guys didnt watch season 1 stage 1 apparently

pearl stratus
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I watched the rest of the season, that he wasn't a part of.

gilded pond
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When he played genji and popped off it was fun to watch but never anything good

limber pine
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Season 1 Stage 1 is one stage out of 8

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plus playoffs

pearl stratus
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8, technically.

feral wing
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the rest he didnt get to play and didnt get traded either

limber pine
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yes sorry i mistyped

pearl stratus
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He's just white guy Pine.

limber pine
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if he "got benched in favor of someone with a larger hero pool and better comms"

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how does that make him a good player?

pearl stratus
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Remembered for a few flashy things, but altogether not that useful.

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But his fans will argue him forever.

gilded pond
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I love sdb hes just evidently not that useful

feral wing
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@limber pine how does it make him bad?

gilded pond
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hes great for publicity

limber pine
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good players play

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bad players don't

feral wing
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eqo doesnt have better mechanical skill

limber pine
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wut

feral wing
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thats a dumb statement

gilded pond
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he would have started if he was good

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?

feral wing
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lots of teams have rosters with many good players benched because of backup or competition etc

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nevix and shock?

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ring any bells?

limber pine
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Choi is the better player?

feral wing
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doesnt mean nevix is bad?

gilded pond
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Eqo was more reliable, could play more heroes and talked

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more

pearl stratus
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The thing to me is you can tell that Nevix and Choi were close - that was a relationship where I never felt like those two didn't push each other.

gilded pond
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nevix is very good, just choi is better, nevix will get picked up

pearl stratus
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With something like EQO and SDB I never felt like there was even a competition for that spot.

limber pine
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oh you think I"m calling SDB bad

pearl stratus
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It was a guy with two legs, and a guy with one. And you can't race with one leg.

gilded pond
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no

limber pine
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SDB isn't a bad player, but if he gets benched for a better player, then he's not the better player

gilded pond
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^

feral wing
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well obviously not but I never said he was either

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..

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i guess we misunderstood each other then

gilded pond
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Here's my statement, SDB doesn't deserve a starting spot for now

feral wing
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I believe shadowburn and eqo are very close mechanically but eqo's comms and larger hero pool + ability to flex onto heroes like hog etc gave him the edge

pearl stratus
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I don't see him having lots of chances to get picked up either way, as much as I like SDB. He's just not meta proof enough that its a risk for a contract.

gilded pond
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yep

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i think maybe a pharah specialist but the problem is he wanted a starting spot

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/wants

pearl stratus
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Danye, from what I saw, was a much more impactful Pharah either way.

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And they cut Danye too.

feral wing
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thats just false

gilded pond
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yep

pearl stratus
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Well it could be bias since Danye actually got play time.

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So I saw more of it.

feral wing
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did you watch paris games?

pearl stratus
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At the start yes, then they were just Paris so they had no one worth watching.

limber pine
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I do think Danye was the better player last year

feral wing
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agreed but only because of goats

limber pine
#

but sparkle is better than both of them

feral wing
#

agreed again

limber pine
#

particularly in a doomfist meta

pearl stratus
#

I think we're going to continue to see more and more "older" veterans continue to drop out.

gilded pond
#

sad

pearl stratus
#

It's a change of how the game is. You could be a Genji specialist with one or two other heroes before.

#

The game doesn't work like that anymore.

#

Right now if you're a flex dps with a pool less than like... six heroes you're not that attractive.

gilded pond
#

i mean i can't think of any others atm

pearl stratus
#

It's the same situation a lot of tanks are in too.

#

Look at someone like Miro in Season 1. You could just see it. The inability to keep up with newer more flexible people, etc.

#

Or a lot of the pick ups from Season 2 who were pulled in for Goats. What do you do with them now?

#

Someone like Fusions who was one of the best pick ups for Season 2 is now stuck on Not-Rein and it doesn't work well for him.

#

The preparation and pools needed for players in OWL versus Apex is gigantic.

gilded pond
#

has anything happened to ATL?

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

#

boo bot

#

no

#

just a rumor of funnyastro to Philly

feral wing
#

!owl2020

limber pine
#

zepplin is ded

#

idk why

#

never impressed with revenge, but didn't get to play a whole lot

trim shadow
#

and eqo and sdb dps duo i wouldnt mind

#

but on what team?

#

and lets be honest i dont think revenge will out scrim bebe so thats a good play by him

limber pine
#

most teams are set for dps?

#

or don't want to pay for them

#

LAG?

#

hey zeppelin is back

#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
limber pine
#

I could see LAG picking up EQO

minor flame
#

My prediction is FCTFCTN to Justice

#

Fate might go to Shanghai

limber pine
#

WSJ have lullsish and roar

#

i doubt they'd pick up another main tank

minor flame
#

Oh wait yeah i forgot roar existed

little silo
#

Im expecting FCT to go to the Gladiators

pearl stratus
#

@limber pine They have LH Cloudy, so it'd be a fourth main tank at tht

minor flame
#

Jeez Paris

#

Aid and Levi

#

Paris rebuilding hard

little silo
#

Rush and NineK too

#

Some pretty stacked coaching staff

#

wonder how much Sparkles salary is now

limber pine
#

WSJ has lhcloudy?

queen drift
#

Unconfirmed

#

I haven’t even heard that as a rumour tbh

#

Unless he meant LAG?

#

Which I still haven’t seen but would make sense

little silo
#

why would Glads want LhCloudy

queen drift
#

Cuz they sold Roar

blissful heron
#

Weird shit going down in LA

queen drift
#

They have Panker at 2 way, that’s their only MT

blissful heron
#

They could straight up bring xqc up

queen drift
#

They wouldn’t do that

blissful heron
#

Of course

queen drift
#

xQc is only on legion for a visa

#

He doesn’t even play for them

blissful heron
#

Still, he’s under contract

queen drift
#

‘He’s under contract’ doesn’t mean they could bring him up to owl

limber pine
#

xQc doesn't really play for LAG or GL

#

he's contracted by sentinals

blissful heron
#

He is on the legion roster

limber pine
#

not really no

blissful heron
#

Last I checked

#

W8 wut

#

Substitute MT?

queen drift
#

He’s on there purely as a formality for publicity reasons for GL and visa reasons for him

blissful heron
#

Ah

#

Does he show up to matches?

queen drift
#

No

#

Never has, never will

#

I don’t think he’s actually played a game for them

blissful heron
#

If their MT gets cancer, could he hypothetically see playtime?

queen drift
#

No

#

They would sign another MT

blissful heron
#

I don’t like the guy, just playing devils advocate

#

Lol

#

Hypothetically, they could sub him in. If he’s on the team, he can play

queen drift
#

Not really

#

He’d have to agree to play

#

Which he won’t

blissful heron
#

If he showed up

#

And if he agreed, no paperwork or anything must be filled

queen drift
#

If he part of the roster, which he isn’t

#

He’d have to show up, which he wouldn’t

#

They’d have to want him to play, which they wouldn’t

blissful heron
#

I think the simple answer is yes but it won’t happen

queen drift
#

He’d have to agree to play, which he wouldn’t

limber pine
echo quest
#

@queen drift Panker is ass Legions main tank is Stand1

#

He got benched by the end of the first season and didn’t play during the second season

limber pine
#

yeah if anybody gets pulled up, it's stand1

echo quest
#

Eqo to LAG make it happen

limber pine
#

it makes the most sense

#

they need dps players and are arguably the only team left willing to spend on a mixed roster

echo quest
#

Plus he’s actually pretty good

limber pine
#

that too

echo quest
#

Was Alemao part of team Brazil?

copper solstice
#

Yes

#

3 years in a row aswell

limber pine
#

he's a very good lucio

#

it's a shame boston kicked the drive out of him

pearl stratus
#

It's one of the dangers of world cup scouting too, imo.

#

For most of the players who were picked up for last WC they're basically all without teams minus the Chinese kids.

#

Meta glimpses are bad.

#

Obviously I mean players who were non-OWL then signed after the World Cup.

karmic grotto
#

xQc is smart

#

Signing for American company to have visa

pearl stratus
#

I mean it was win win for both of them.

#

As much as getting his fan base is a win.

mint flower
pearl stratus
#

Yaki, Gangnamjin, and LeeJaeGon are the potential players rumored to be involved.

limber pine
#

oh wait i'm in the wrong server

pearl stratus
#

Which isn't a bad pull.

limber pine
#

yeah it's what Florida needs

#

support and a solid dps

#

if they can keep fate

#

they may be good

#

or manage to pick up mag

karmic grotto
#

uhm

#

one of them is underage

#

leejaegon won't be for this upcoming season

echo quest
#

Mag will be underaged for most of the season

karmic grotto
#

oh wait

#

sorry

#

I have switched players

#

it was mag

limber pine
#

LJG is 18 now

#

Assassin is the only one underage

#

to the point he can't play

echo quest
#

MAG can’t play until June..

#

When was the cutoff date?

limber pine
#

June 15

echo quest
#

Barely makes it

#

By 3 days

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
hidden vault
#

I mean wven if he doesn't

#

He can sign for later stages right?

#

Like what the leagues always do

echo quest
#

No

#

If your past the cutoff date you don’t play for the season

#

Hence Flow3r season 1 and Alarm season 2

karmic grotto
#

Bro

#

Would be fun as heck if Mayhem indeed signs Yaki, Gangnamjin and LeeJaeGon

#

Old Runaway vs New Runaway

echo quest
#

They need another MT. I believe Fate is going to SHD

mint flower
#

if rumors are true

queen drift
#

A lot could fall thru

#

If they don’t lose Gamsu to Dallas they don’t need to pick up fate

hidden vault
#

I remembered the teams won't allowed to trade during stage 1

#

Then they were allowed to trade from stage 2 to in between 4

#

Smth like that?

#

Also Mayhem has still has Karayan as MT

#

Who is originally Gargoyle's partner anyways

echo quest
#

Karayan is not good

#

Tho

mint flower
karmic grotto
#

??

#

Their PR is funny

trim shadow
#

So basically florida is losing when it comes to runaway

karmic grotto
#

No

#

wait

#

yes

#

You mean with their current lineup?

trim shadow
#

The bidding war id assume for runaway

#

They got the coaches so

#

Its upto the players if they want to stay under the coaches

karmic grotto
#

Often than not, or maybe

#

They will stay with coaches they have synergy with

#

Like Sparkle and Rush

trim shadow
#

Which is why id assume paris is getting the major parts of EM

hidden vault
#

I don't think hotba is gonna stay with them tho

#

And fragi

#

Actually seoul alr hurt us

#

What did shock do to hurt him lol

trim shadow
#

Nevix

hidden vault
#

Chengdu won't hurt us

raw ermine
#

and super

trim shadow
#

The super troll

hidden vault
#

Oh rights

#

Super troll

#

Nice

raw ermine
#

The jebait hurt us all

hidden vault
#

Nevix didn't tho

#

I see it as for the better

gilded pond
#

nevix gonna find a team and hopefully start

raw ermine
#

It was leaked he might go to TD

cold island
#

aglitites and space droppded although space is now with the glads

#

dam

#

tf is happening smh

hidden vault
#

Cause of money

gilded pond
#

They said they ain't signing a player over 60k

limber pine
#

did somebody actually say that

raw ermine
#

Supposedly

gilded pond
#

think it was custa

#

or he said they were playing with bare budget

limber pine
#

i'm aware of the bare budget thing

#

but that's not the same as "not signing a player for 60k"

gilded pond
#

well thats what it implies

trim shadow
#

50k-80k for Valiant was there rumored budget

limber pine
#

okay

gilded pond
#

ah my b

limber pine
#

my point is that "not signing a player for 60k" is an actual number that I'd like sourced

trim shadow
limber pine
#

you can't throw that around and not source it

gilded pond
#

thats where i got it from

echo quest
#

I just noticed

#

USA is in group A with SK

karmic grotto
#

LOL

#

Aero spongebob

#

Good coach spongebob

echo quest
#

Canada is in Group B with China

hidden vault
#

Actually custa did mention that in the video

limber pine
hidden vault
#

And next we will see no smite

karmic grotto
pearl stratus
limber pine
#

pretty much the same as xQc

#

good professional teammate; terrible on ladder

pearl stratus
#

Yeah I still remember him false reporting Fleta in Season 1 like a douche.

upper niche
#

Did I just see 'xQc' and 'professional' in the same paragraph?

karmic grotto
#

Well?

upper niche
#

It's not gonna happen. He makes way too much from streaming.

raw ermine
#

yeah no

upper niche
#

OWL players are already commenting regularly about the 'low' incomes and 'difficulties' they face.

#

(hah)

balmy wolf
#

xqc is a good player, but his inability on being professional in any capacity is what prevents him from ever getting picked up again.

karmic grotto
#

Low incomes, well, if you're not worth much then you ain't getting much

upper niche
#

Somewhere out there is a franchise willing to take the hit for the exposure it provides them.

#

I'd be interested to hear what the CDH, GZC, HZS and SHD players are being paid - especially for 2020 when the expectation is they're based locally.

#

Even though realistically that's not going to happen.

karmic grotto
#

For all I know, some team wants Gamsu for 240k

#

400k buy out for Space etc...

#

Not much leaked so far but those players are being paid pretty well for such money

upper niche
#

There's plenty of players around the 150-250k region. But then there's talks of like LAV not wanting to pay >60k for any one player, suggesting it will be a team full of contenders rookies that didn't get picked up by other teams.

karmic grotto
#

They want to go budget

#

Which is not wrong

upper niche
#

They're playing Moneywatch.

balmy wolf
#

More like forced to budget

karmic grotto
#

Boston Uprising 2.0

upper niche
#

It's rather amazing that just two years in to paying eight figure fees for a franchise they're already in budget mode.

balmy wolf
#

Well they just bought a cod league spot I believe

upper niche
#

Yeah - stuff like that is why long-term profitability of OW/OWL franchises is uhh... cloudy.

karmic grotto
#

Where do they even get the money from?

upper niche
#

Meanwhile it's down to Rocket League and Street Fighter as being Tokyo 2020 showcase eSports games.

karmic grotto
#

!????

#

Huh

#

Rocket league?

upper niche
#

Sure. It's easy to explain to viewers, accessible, requires small teams and therefore team/employee costs, and quick matches.

balmy wolf
#

yea its has a decent scene going on

upper niche
#

And let's be honest, Street Fighter is only there because it's Capcom/Japan. It won't pass the checkboxes of them wanting to showcase a non-violent game.

#

Nor does it have a sufficient worldwide following or interest. It'll be Rocket League if the decision is sensible and non-political.

trim shadow
#

most teams have stayed out of cod leauge

#

at least ow teams

#

i believe NRG had a cod team they were thinking about buying there slot

#

and NRG is san fran

#

and ofc you have immortals and they bought the slot and completely fucked there ow season

#

idk any other Owl orgs who have bought there respective Cod leauge spot

#

espect dallas

#

dallas definetly bought envy's cod leauge spot

hidden vault
#

Immortals not only bought a slot

#

Is cause they bought a org

#

That's why their finances hurt

trim shadow
#

ohhh yea the dipshits did buyout optic

#

and fired almost everyoneeee

sullen berry
#

Was it a bad move?

trim shadow
#

good for you immortals bankruptcy when?

sullen berry
#

Heck it sure is now

#

Wait how long they can drag this on with the expenses they're going to take on during season 3

trim shadow
#

ceo is currently kicking rocks

#

id imagine valiant might end up this years houston

#

but instead of orgless just flat out broke

balmy wolf
#

maybe their just waiting to get their homestand money and go from there

#

wait that doesnt make sense

trim shadow
#

cause valiants home stand isnt till like

#

sometime spring i believe

#

!owl2020

#

bot is dead

balmy wolf
#

!!owl2020

#

rip

hidden vault
#

@trim shadow not only they bought optics but optics' parent company infinite!!!

#

All for a Cod spot

trim shadow
#

lcs spot*

hidden vault
#

Worth it?

#

Ics?

trim shadow
#

leauge championship series for leauge of legends

#

aka NA leauge of legends

#

reason

#

because there team didnt make it so they saw infinite was up for sale

#

bought inifnite and optic fired everyone to make room for leauge

#

and last i heard was looking to rebrand optic into immortals

hidden vault
#

Yeah just because they failed to bid for their spot

#

Had to ruin everything

#

Also did they really fire everyone?

#

Lol

mint flower
limber pine
hidden vault
#

That looked like try outs

echo quest
#

The doom on OGE’s team is Flow3r

#

Fuck that shit both BR and Flow3r are bad

#

Hopefully just trials

sullen berry
#

@limber pine F

#

Persia couldn't perform and despite his track record having potential, never lived up to it

hidden vault
#

Br is on fire tho

echo quest
#

How good is kaiser on tanks not named rein?

sullen berry
#

I'd ask runner if he has seen him play anything other than rein back in the day

#

He's played WB and orisa but he's not that huge on them

echo quest
#

Damn feelsbadman. Still doesn’t have an owl offer

sullen berry
#

remember last season

#

we did get a wave of signings announced in the last week

#

so it's too early to tell

little silo
#

his winston is fairly good from what I've seen

#

not guxue level but solid

trim shadow
#

holy

#

ok so

#

runaway is splitting up then?

#

or were they just scrimming together but on diffferent sides

hidden vault
#

According to leaks they are going to mayhem with their coaches

karmic grotto
#

eh

trim shadow
#

Leaks also said mayhem were far away from signing runaway so

karmic grotto
#

sk is rollin ggeng

#

should have been element mystic, this is too easy

trim shadow
#

Its possible they could be in a bidding war with gladiarors

#

And look at what gladiators did to washington for space

karmic grotto
#

hol up

nova wadi
trim shadow
#

wait from runaway?

hidden vault
#

Click on his twitter lol

trim shadow
#

ok EM

#

i really did not expect paris to be the one to sign EM

little silo
#

its not like they have ems head coach, sparkle and another former EM coach

#

oh wait they do

pearl stratus
#

bUt ThEyRe An Eu TeAm

karmic grotto
#

wtf

#

Hanbin

trim shadow
#

hanbin is the tank i believe

karmic grotto
#

Off tank

little silo
#

offtank yes

neat zenith
#

EU ZaryaLUL

karmic grotto
trim shadow
#

wait a minute hanbin didnt start

#

alpha did

#

i needa rewatch gauntlet im confused

#

what makes this more confusing is it looked like MCD was scriming with gladiators

karmic grotto
#

Tryouts

#

indeed

trim shadow
#

exploring offers more then likely but

little silo
#

alpha is a maintank

trim shadow
pearl stratus
#

Technically Hanbin is underage too, but not in a way that should impact him actually playing

#

I think he misses... 1 game? Maybe 2.

trim shadow
#

xzi should be of age if he was born in november 2001

#

unless he just turned 17

#

then hes inactive for a year

little silo
#

its 2019

trim shadow
#

ik but his liquidpedia says hes 17

pearl stratus
#

Becuase its not November yet.

limber pine
#

he's 18 in a week

#

yeah

#

what's stopping Paris from just signing all of EM?

#

at once

trim shadow
#

im stupid its still october

little silo
#

maybe the salary soft cap

pearl stratus
#

EM has always been pretty piece meal, and my guess is they lost a few.

trim shadow
#

id expect the next EM signings from paris should be doha undine and unique

little silo
#

a few might get better offers elsewhere and go for that

trim shadow
#

and MCD might end up with the gladiators

pearl stratus
#

It would have been smarter, but I see Unique for instance potentially getting a few offers.

#

And they kept their EU supports.

#

So their offers for that may not have been high enough, etc.

trim shadow
#

but i wonder if paris is offering them base salaries or something higher

mint flower
#

EU superteam btw

pearl stratus
#

For EM players?

#

Higher.

#

I don't see any Runaway/EM players going for base.

trim shadow
#

like 80k-100k?

#

sp9kle would have the highest out of the team

pearl stratus
#

I don't know beyond that - just that EM has basically been the premier farm team for OWL with O2.

#

So I don't really expect any of them to be base line.

little silo
#

Sparkle reportedly had much higher offers from other teams

karmic grotto
#

XZI

trim shadow
#

looking at there liquidpedia

karmic grotto
#

Jesus Christ

#

Paris Eternal becomes the new Runaway?

trim shadow
#

element mystic basically has stonks

pearl stratus
#

EM has had.. what.. 10 players go to OWL in the last two years?

trim shadow
#

the thing about runaway is that they were gods at goats

pearl stratus
#

Basically full rosters year over year.

rare magnet
#

another one

little silo
#

Daco, Pokpo, Jecse and more

trim shadow
#

idk how good EM was good at goats and they looked fairly nutty at shield meta

karmic grotto
#

EM was good at dismantling goats with hackfist

pearl stratus
#

Also their coaches.

#

EM has always managed to get good coaches, no clue how.

trim shadow
#

the liquidpedia says rush became the headcoach of paris

#

then nineK is a assistant?

little silo
#

who is their GM

#

they must have some great scouting

pearl stratus
#

Yeah people just didn't translate the tweet properly.

#

The Paris tweet only said ninek was a coach.

#

Not a head coach

mint flower
#

Yes ninek is assistant coach

trim shadow
#

if rush is the head coach then yea undine unique and alpha are the next signings

#

i think that would put them at roster cap

limber pine
#

but how many more do they pick up

little silo
#

they can still get rid of Kruise, Greyy, etc

pearl stratus
#

Confused why they kept Nico.

trim shadow
#

i think hes getting traded

pearl stratus
#

It's going to be awkward either way, since Sparkle can't play till 80% of the season is over.

little silo
#

Wait they kept Nico?

pearl stratus
#

He's currently still listed on roster.

limber pine
trim shadow
#

so they have 9 players

#

the roster cap is 13

little silo
#

all the frenchies still there

#

isnt roster cap 12

pearl stratus
#

Cap is 12

rare magnet
#

why is there age limit anyway make it 16

pearl stratus
#

Because contractual signing.

little silo
#

because of contracts

#

"My mom said I cant play in the Grand Finals"

pearl stratus
#

The OWL is US based, and in the US you have to be 18 to sign a contract.

rare magnet
#

xzi born in november so he cant play whole season

pearl stratus
#

Y'all dumb af

little silo
#

we already went over that

pearl stratus
#

November is in a week.

rare magnet
#

wait he turns 18 this year

little silo
#

November 2001

#

Its 2019

#

he turns 18 in the next month

pearl stratus
#

HoW dOeS tImE wOrK

trim shadow
#

you have to 18 to sign any form of contract in the us

limber pine
#

Xzi can play the whole season

trim shadow
#

and since the leauge office opperates out of los angeles

limber pine
#

Hanbin misses like the first few weeks

trim shadow
#

they have to follow us guidlines

limber pine
#

Sp9rk1e misses until May

pearl stratus
#

He misses two games.

#

Sparkle misses ~18.

rare magnet
#

you could be like 14 in fortnite world cup

pearl stratus
#

Fortnite is not a contractual sport.

limber pine
#

good for them

little silo
#

Which wasnt a League around the globe

trim shadow
#

sp9kle wont play until may

#

so they have to pick up doha

pearl stratus
#

I don't even understand why we let 14 year old outside.

little silo
#

OWWC wasnt 18+ until now either

pearl stratus
#

They're all useless shits.

#

They should be on an island till they hit 18.

trim shadow
#

unless soon will start

rare magnet
#

and it was won by a 16 year old

pearl stratus
#

Again not a contractual league.

limber pine
#

good for him

pearl stratus
#

he has no salary

#

he won an event

limber pine
#

!owl2020

pearl stratus
#

that his mom let him attend.

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
pearl stratus
#

Also its fortnite.

#

It's designed for small children and pedophiles who want to be near small children.

#

😛

#

I wonder what Houston news we'll get today

limber pine
#

Halo said he's announcing something big in about an hour

#

no clue what it is though

little silo
#

Eagle Gaming picked up by Boston

trim shadow
#

s4 toronto please

#

id imagine boston did sign a whole contenders team

#

if paris locked up EM

#

it could be anyone

little silo
#

that was a joke

minor flame
#

Paris Eternal more like Eternal Mystic wtf is happening

trim shadow
#

at that small stupid place in the back up my head boston had a chance to get some of EM but it looks like they failed

#

boston will definetly not get runaway

#

i think london florida and los angeles are getting pieces of that

#

and gen.g might intergrate into seoul

minor flame
#

Paris started off with Sparkle and Rush which gave them an advantage to let the other EM players play together

trim shadow
#

and sell pieces to other teams

pearl stratus
#

We went over this.

#

Paris wants to get more than 5 wins.

#

So they realized EU players weren't the answer for that.

trim shadow
#

pretty much if u get the head coach of a contenders team

#

youve won the players

#

at least that how it works for the koreans

minor flame
#

They still have a severe problem

#

And thats Sparkle not playing for like

#

Half the season

trim shadow
#

hell more then likely scrim

#

or share scrim time with soon

little silo
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yeah but who plays for him

limber pine
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nico

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apparently

pearl stratus
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The current roster makes no sense either way, have to wait till it fills.

trim shadow
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Xzi or nico

pearl stratus
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Also if they're relying on Benbest at MT the teams going to fail either way.

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You could put Jesus on Support and that teams fucked with Benbest tanking.

little silo
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Rn there's Nico, Soon and Xzi that can play at the start of next season

trim shadow
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They could honestly go western MT’s with ben and nico

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Korean dps

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Western supports

little silo
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Something will have to change

trim shadow
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Until The em players become of age

little silo
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But why would they

pearl stratus
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Kruise/Greyy and Benbest too.

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They can fill a roster right now.

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But its a very weird mix.

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Hanbin misses two games, then he's eligible.

trim shadow
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If Paris doesnt sign Alpha then there going mixed

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Korean and western MT

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Dps

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And supports