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halcyon fox
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fury is the only tank player on the active roster atm according to liquipedia

little silo
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quatermain is on team option right

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i know krillin is under contract and so is Fury but its becoming apparent that that matters less and less rn

halcyon fox
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yeah they look like they're just cleaning house atm

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plenty of time to get a roster together again

little silo
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I wont be surprised if Illicit is found dead in a dumpster within this month

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just so Seoul wont have to pay him to free up a roster slot

tropic herald
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Illicit is still a good player iirc

little silo
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i should have worded that better

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Yes but with all the options Seoul has rn would you want to keep Illicit under contract?

halcyon fox
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i'm still surprised at pavane being poached from nyxl tbf

tropic herald
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Idk they probably trade him as soon as they can, or maybe he’s performing really well for them rn

little silo
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unlikely

tropic herald
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You never know

little silo
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Illicit joined Seoul fairly late and probably got an extended contract because of that

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or something like that

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I'm not smart enough for that stuff

balmy wolf
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gonna be funny when they have a "super team" but are still mid tier next season

tropic herald
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Well the dps lineup will be scary

balmy wolf
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London dropped everybody except Gesture, Fury and Profit and now Gesture and Profit are on seoul

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and NY needs an offtank

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cause they dropped Meko

supple prism
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still have quartermain and krillin

little silo
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what about bdosin

halcyon fox
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looks at SK+US rosters for the world cup this year welp

little silo
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isnt he under contract

balmy wolf
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No he got dropped

supple prism
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when

balmy wolf
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he didnt get dropped

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still under contract and there hasn't been evidence suggesting he is going on a different team

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Sorry sorry confused bdosin for birdring

urban wharf
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any news about toronto// leaks about kariv and agilities moving to toronto?

balmy wolf
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no

urban wharf
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shit

pearl stratus
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@limber pine Watching his stream today I think Houston might make a Jakegull.

limber pine
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That’d be...interesting

swift moth
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boston is being a massive bruh moment rn

hidden vault
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If jake is not starting they need a new leader

tropic herald
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Houston is just the bois rn

pearl stratus
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@limber pine He ended up finishing his tank stream at ~4400 SR, picks stuff up pretty quickly. Could be an interesting way to keep him on the roster.

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Danteh could also go OT too, realistically. It's what he started his pro-career as.

limber pine
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But what could he do that hyd and blasé can’t

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We’ve already seen both flex to offtank

pearl stratus
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I mean more as a permanent thing.

limber pine
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Hm

pearl stratus
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Since going for Nevix fell through.

limber pine
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So we see a new main support signed, and they’re done for the offseason?

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That’d be 11/12

pearl stratus
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Flame said they've got a lot coming in the next three months basically.

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One more announcement this week.

limber pine
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If it’s “Jake moves to tank” imma eat a shoe

pearl stratus
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I'm not like 100%, but I could see them moving him or Danteh. Like I said Danteh spent like a year as a pro as an OT. And Jake is a seagull big brain, so he'd be able to pick it up.

hidden vault
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If they move Danteh they will risk their only tracer not being as well verse in dps

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If the meta requires the need for tracer again

balmy wolf
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do you guys think nyxl will actually pick up fury and carpe i’ve been hearing a lot of people say that

karmic grotto
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Profit and gesture

hidden vault
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What's gonna happen to london then

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Bdosin leader? Lol

karmic grotto
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Rebuild

worn falcon
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Profit and Gesture

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But without Tobi and Jehong

balmy wolf
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im done with the Spitfire honestly

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we literally are nothing this season now

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You can only really say that once they picked up their new players.

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if their not good at all

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um

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they only have Bdosin at this point that is good

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Well they have to pick up new players and maybe those new players are actually great.

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Fury is still there

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Unless someone bought him

upper niche
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I wonder how much Cloud9 are expecting to invest in the London franchise for FY21.

karmic grotto
hidden vault
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What?? Why youngjin?

balmy wolf
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They did not forgive that brutal c9 on Dorado

limber pine
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Shanghai’s dps, while great, were generally not flexible

minor flame
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Still

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Youngjin is a great doom

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Surprised they were willing to give it up

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
limber pine
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I wonder if geguri is gonna get her option picked up

trim shadow
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Scus e

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WHAT

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Youngjin FA

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Geguri probably not. Getting her option picked up

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Leave is now 18 btw so

red anvil
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Youngjin is a decent doom yeah, but despite doomfist meta his team still didn't manage to get into playoffs.
He's not really a valuable player to have when you have players who have 3 times his hero pool be a better doomfist then him

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it shouldn't surprise anyone

hidden vault
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Who is a better doom?

minor flame
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So far like

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Sinatraa

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Also there was no real meta in stage 3, after stage 3 it was basically mei reaper then it turned into reaper doom in playoffs

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We didnt see Youngjin Sigma meta so its hard to tell

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But rn the best dooms really are Sinatraa and Youngjin

hidden vault
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The two of you said a different thing

karmic grotto
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excuse me

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Haksal?

pearl stratus
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Rip China for OWWC, not even worth watching anymore.

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Leave won't be playing, cancel the world cup.

minor flame
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What happened to Krystal

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Has he been dropped yet

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Is he still vibing in China with his gf

raw ermine
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Why isn't he playing?

little silo
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according to weibo its due to health problems

balmy wolf
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According to what actually happened, he wasnt playing because he basically skipped out to go hang with his mom and his girlfriend. And the spark only know this because they follow his mom on social media and know there wasnt really a sick family member and he’s just not a good dude

minor flame
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Yeah but

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He been dropped yet?

pearl stratus
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No, can't drop his contract in the middle of a legal dispute.

minor flame
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Vibing in court

pearl stratus
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And the organization is taking him to court over the contract breach, and probably suing him for all the pay.

minor flame
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OWWC china hasnt been released yet right

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But whats the most expected roster

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Now that leave is

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Left

pearl stratus
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Eileen and Jinmu for DPS, most likely.

minor flame
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You think theyll preserve?

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Jinmu might still be the borderline aggressive thrower

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Eileen is

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I forgot about Eileens performance

pearl stratus
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I don't think it will be the same, but they're both good dps.

minor flame
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What are the supports

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Wasnt it Coldest and someone else?

trim shadow
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Youngjin might goto dallas

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Cause gamsu

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What if jiqiren becomes shanghais MT

pearl stratus
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Tl;dr: Tobi wants to go to the same team as Jehong, but doesn't want to limit Jehongs offers since he got so many more.

trim shadow
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But id think rjh wants to stay with his support buddy

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Theres alot of missing FS and MS spots on many teams

balmy wolf
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wth

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why is blasé on outlaws

trim shadow
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I think the best team for rjh and tobi together

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Dont yell at me but think about it

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Toronto

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Toronto or washington

pearl stratus
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I could also see a new team potentially removing their supports for a duo with leadership.

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Like GZ/HZ.

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It would suck to see a benched IDK, but its not out of the realm of possibility.

trim shadow
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Hanghzhou would be beauitful but I still think the hangzhou aimgod thing is real

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And aimgod IDK is sexy

balmy wolf
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but idk is really good at lucio

trim shadow
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Like a top 10 lucio in the leauge honestly

balmy wolf
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definitely top 5 for me

trim shadow
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Id want him with guangzhou more cause shu and the other guy have lowkey dissapointes

pearl stratus
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Cohesion will always matter more than individual skill levels. If you get a better team from it, its worth it. If the total inclusion of Jehong + Tobi outweighs Bebe + IDK it makes sense.

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Realistically individual skill doesn't mean shit anymore.

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Look at how useless Carpe was for all of Season 2.

trim shadow
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Also seoul currently has no Supports i believe

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So it could work like idk bebe to seoul

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For rjh and tobi

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Both teams benefit

pearl stratus
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It could also be RJH and Tobi back to Seoul.

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Using FA to get a better contract isn't unheard of.

trim shadow
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That still is a possibility yes but from@the video it seems tobi and rjh are searching for other oppurtunitys

minor flame
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Unless this is huge baiting, it looks like water is heading to nyxl

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In other news looks like water is taking a months rest and privated his twit

echo quest
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If MyKl isn’t baiting

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But Sparkle and Rush to Paris makes no sense

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Fury to NYXL and Fate to SHD I can see

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But not Paris getting Koreans

limber pine
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but do they make sense because they're leaks

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or because they're obvious

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NYXL needs an offtank, London is obviously rebuilding

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SHD needs a main tank, Florida probably rebuilding too

trim shadow
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Wait EU sparkle

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Show the tweet or video

limber pine
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it's mykl

mint flower
limber pine
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wow

mint flower
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it's happening

pearl stratus
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I mean the LAV one makes sense.

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Immortals went hard buying Houston -just- for the CoD slot.

limber pine
pearl stratus
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Them now being completely broke would make sense.

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LAG with no chill.

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Waiting like 3 seconds to announce it.

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Also Sparkle to Paris makes sense if they paid him well enough, I just can't wait for the tears if its true and the teams no longer regional.

trim shadow
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welcome the darkside space

balmy wolf
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Brooo space in glads will be insane

pearl stratus
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Depends what DPS LAG pick up.

trim shadow
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They also are apperantly getting oge

pearl stratus
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Remember LAG doesn't have DPS right now, at all.

limber pine
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decay?

trim shadow
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And im curious as to a Oge space duo

pearl stratus
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They've kept Decay, thats it.

limber pine
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all the korean dps

pearl stratus
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I wasn't impressed by Decay overall, even in 2-2-2.

trim shadow
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Wonder if gladiators is going what guangzhou did

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Mostly@korean roster with 1 western player

pearl stratus
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Two western supports, western off-tank right nwo.

trim shadow
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Oo fuck i forgot about shaz and goode

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So conpletely mixed roster

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Gladiators are looking like oge space decay shaz and goose

pearl stratus
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OGE and Space play together quite a bit

trim shadow
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In rank?

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Well damn no wonder space left val

pearl stratus
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He left Val becuase making 60k a year isn't worth resigning a contract for.

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Unless you're desperate.

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btw

limber pine
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all three were under contract too

pearl stratus
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Sideshow mentions it in the leak.

limber pine
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i wonder if they got bought out or traded

pearl stratus
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Space's buyout was 400k

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Something around that at least.

trim shadow
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They probably got bought out

limber pine
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but LAG paid the buyout right?

pearl stratus
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So LAG put up the buyout, and gave him his new contract.

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Yeah

limber pine
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so "traded"

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kinda

pearl stratus
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Loose definition yeah, more like acquired.

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Than traded.

limber pine
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yeah not the traditional definition of traded

trim shadow
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Kinda sound slike a nfl trade

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Buyout the contract get the player

pearl stratus
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Also Kariv's goodbye post is so.. engrish it hurts.

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But at the same time it means he typed it himself.

trim shadow
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Wonder if space has a 400k salary due to the buyout

pearl stratus
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Which makes it more.. touching? I guess.

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No, thats just the buyout.

mint flower
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VAL was paying space 60k???

pearl stratus
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No

trim shadow
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Oh so space has a payday but is getting a. Lower contract

pearl stratus
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But rumor is thats all Immortals can afford now.

trim shadow
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Id bet around the 130k range

pearl stratus
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They're broke af with their whole CoD debacle.

limber pine
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wait

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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
trim shadow
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^ cod leauge is sometime between january to april

karmic grotto
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YEEEEEEEE

pearl stratus
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I'm still waiting to see what happens to Custa.

mint flower
pearl stratus
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SinceI really hope he doesn't get stuck with LAV.

karmic grotto
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oh fuck

trim shadow
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I SAID KEEP SDB

karmic grotto
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Do I hear

mint flower
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Wow

karmic grotto
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DAFRAN TO PARIS

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????

trim shadow
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but wait who did mykl leak again for paris?

karmic grotto
limber pine
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sparkle

little silo
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sparkle and rush

limber pine
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and rush

karmic grotto
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huh?

mint flower
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Mykl is still covering OWL?

little silo
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which is... questionable

trim shadow
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it all makes sense then

karmic grotto
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Does Paris even have enough budget?

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Rush and Sparkle aren't cheap

pearl stratus
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Depends where they're investing the rest of their money.

karmic grotto
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They still have players left

pearl stratus
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If they keep a bunch of EU players you know they're getting a cheaper contract.

mint flower
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Well Paris did sign a Korean HC

trim shadow
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Wonder if Paris is going for a actual EU super team

mint flower
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Maybe he wants some Koreans on the team

little silo
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Isnt NineK an assistant?

trim shadow
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Hc

mint flower
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Hes head coach

little silo
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was he announced like that because it only said coach for me

pearl stratus
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Paris is going for the fastest way to get a good team.

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Drop all your EU people and get some koreans.

karmic grotto
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So get more Koreans into OWL?

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Might as well create a Korean OWL

pearl stratus
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I see it more as get the better players in, but yeah.

trim shadow
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If paris is pursuing element mystic istg

little silo
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Weird how the best players are popular in the highest league

mint flower
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Koreawatch league

little silo
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Funny how that works

pearl stratus
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It's a weird dichotomy because people want to see their own people represented.

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Even if thats the worst possible idea ever since they're garbage.

trim shadow
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Only reason to like paris is cause they kept there french boys

pearl stratus
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I don't need affirmative action in my e-sports, is what I'm saying.

little silo
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as basically the only EU team they thought they could build a big fanbase with that

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But that probably didnt work out as well as they wanted

pearl stratus
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It's not easy to be popular and bad, Dallas just makes it look easy.

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New teams have no history - they'd need to like.. get Rogue back together for Paris.

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And that'd be the equivalent.

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You know what's crazy? Imagine seeing all this happen WITHOUT any of the leaks.

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Everyone would be losing their minds

hidden vault
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Didn't finnisi and shadowburn do a good job?

limber pine
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finnsi was "okay"

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sdb got out-metad

pearl stratus
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Story of his OWL career.

limber pine
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finnsi or sdb

pearl stratus
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SDB

limber pine
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yeah

pearl stratus
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Shadowburn attempting to play something he's good at:

hidden vault
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The only non french left are Greyy and Kruise

limber pine
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today's a rough day for fans

karmic grotto
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well

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Players leave from Valiant

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Others join

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Gladiators?

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Kinda funny how Space goes from Valiant to the other LA team

little silo
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Good pickup for Glads, no complaints from me

limber pine
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LAG keeping their support line is telling

karmic grotto
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If they have good games and synergy, why separate them?

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But now, who will the main tank be of LAG?

pearl stratus
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OGE.

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Since every other rumor has been true.

limber pine
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yup

karmic grotto
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Oh true

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God, I forgot

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That leak

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OGE

little silo
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surprised that Dallas would let him go after the way the crowd loved him during the homestand

pearl stratus
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Though if that one turned out to be false and Gamsu went to LAG I'd be more excited.

karmic grotto
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But, how will Oge and Space learn synergy?

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or Space and Gamsu?

little silo
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Yeah Gamsu was who I wanted to see for Glads

pearl stratus
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They've played ranked together quite a bit.

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Gamsu could create synergy with a brick.

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The dudes just a natural leader.

little silo
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Wonder who Glads will pick up for Dps

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now that they only have Decay

pearl stratus
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I'd love to say Youngjin.

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But I doubt that.

karmic grotto
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So that means

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LAG will finally be top 3 team

little silo
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Who knows

pearl stratus
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Nah, old LAG was stacked too.

little silo
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I dont know what heroes Youngjin plays

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I know he plays Reaper Doom and Cree

karmic grotto
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Doomfist

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Bro

little silo
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But not sure what else

karmic grotto
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We need Chipsa /s

karmic grotto
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No way

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But

little silo
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Glads always had some good pieces but also had some type of weak link at the same time

karmic grotto
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I mean

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Light sparkle but

pearl stratus
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Also with the Florida news of them most likely not getting Runaway.

karmic grotto
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Let's think here

pearl stratus
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All the Runaway DPS are up for grabs too.

karmic grotto
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What other player has light

pearl stratus
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Most recent leak is Sparkle to Paris

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And there's no good EU dps.

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So.

little silo
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So Yaki and Heesu?

karmic grotto
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I don't believe that

pearl stratus
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I'm going to stick with Sparkle.

karmic grotto
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I can't believe that

raw ermine
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Yay toronto might get kariv and agilities and s4

karmic grotto
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Paris can't possible have that much money

little silo
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who owns them again

pearl stratus
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You can if you spend most of it on a few pieces.

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Based on last year most EU talent = Cheap as fuck.

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So you spend on Sparkle, keep local people for pennies.

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Call it a day.

little silo
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these teams had a buyin of over 20 million I'm pretty sure they aren't broke

pearl stratus
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Tell that to LAV 😛

little silo
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True but they went for that CoD spot

pearl stratus
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Most Orgs did, but they're not hurting the same.

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Top of my head there's like.. 9-10 orgs that went for CoD slots too

karmic grotto
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But if other teams are having bidding war for Sparkle

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How will Paris possibly go over

little silo
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They picked up a promising new head coach and seem to have a different gameplan now

karmic grotto
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Would be a nice surprise

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But then they have to improve their tank line and support line

trim shadow
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Nicee paris is sponsored by fiat

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First car sponsor in theleauge

little silo
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Since I'm EU having an EU team thats not a joke would be nice

karmic grotto
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London Spitfire

little silo
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so I'm all for it

karmic grotto
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If Paris becomes great, then so be it

little silo
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I never really counted London tbh

karmic grotto
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The matches in OWL should be close

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Not complete stomps

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Those matches are not fun

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If you win 4-0, but matches were close as heck, then it's good

little silo
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Remember that 20 map winstreak that the Shock had in the playoffs

karmic grotto
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yeh

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see?

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Matches aren't that equal

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Gotta be closer

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It's more fun and much more addicting

trim shadow
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Basically i think the entire leauge is trying to make up ground to san fran

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If no one made big moves

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San fran can easily win 2020

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San fran is basically the virtus pro of owl

little silo
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seems to be more of a coaching thing than players

pearl stratus
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You're always going to have some stomps, but you want it to be like the NFL. You want an element of "any given sunday"

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People just need to let go of regionality and all that. If you want your team to do well you should want your team to have the best players possible.

short sparrow
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No, not Sparkle to Paris :(((

little silo
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why not

short sparrow
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Dude, I like Paris BECAUSE they are EU only

pearl stratus
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So you like your team to be shit.

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See.

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That's weird.

short sparrow
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No

trim shadow
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I think chengdu will keep there chineese only for a while

pearl stratus
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Fans shouldn't want their teams to fail.

short sparrow
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I want them to do as good as possible

trim shadow
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Cause china at least grows

pearl stratus
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So bottom 3.

short sparrow
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With eu players

trim shadow
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Unlike eu contenders

pearl stratus
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Chengdu will be fine, especially since they're the only all Chinese team right now and have Rui.

little silo
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Ok so maybe Paris goes for Glads support duo, maybe EQO and... I can't think of a great EU only team. Can you? @short sparrow

pearl stratus
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China is, overall, the second strongest region in the world for OW right now.

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I can't even think of an EU main tank that's worth a shit.

minor flame
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Chengdu ironically turned inflexible for their unusual comp name in the second half of owl

short sparrow
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I think going for Lullsish and Ellivote would help, or Fusions and Nevix

pearl stratus
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And don't give me that Fusions garbage.

little silo
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Nevix maybe

short sparrow
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.-.

pearl stratus
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Fusions is useless as fuck.

little silo
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But not Fusions

pearl stratus
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Fusions plays one tank well. Four tanks mediocre.

little silo
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Great hitscan dps for EU... Soon is the best I can think of

pearl stratus
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And his one tank he plays well is the hardest to be meta.

little silo
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And Soon wasnt insane this season

short sparrow
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He was on hitscan .-.

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Just not on Goats

pearl stratus
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Even in 2-2-2 is the thing.

short sparrow
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I'd keep soon and SDB

pearl stratus
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Right now Hitscans are the weakest dps, and he looked weak out of the weakest.

little silo
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maybe Snillo

trim shadow
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I mean

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Theres numlocked

short sparrow
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Eh... I don't think snillo has been doing great...

trim shadow
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But why would u get numlocked

little silo
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cant think of many EU hitscans

short sparrow
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There's Tonic :o

pearl stratus
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Numlocked isn't bad, but there's a lot of others I'd pick up first.

little silo
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Linkzr isnt top tier imo

karmic grotto
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Gatorrrrrr

pearl stratus
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Linkzr is top tier when his heads on right.

short sparrow
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Gator is US

karmic grotto
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Kaiserrrrr

pearl stratus
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It has not been on right for a long time though

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I wouldn't pick up Kaiser

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He's just Korean Fusions.

short sparrow
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Good eu hitscan?

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Uh

short sparrow
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Munkmutta?

trim shadow
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Funny cause i believe guangzhou will make no moves

short sparrow
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:o

pearl stratus
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Realistically the only good EU DPS we saw from Paris was what... Danye? I think that was his name.

minor flame
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Guangzhou is eventually gonna have to make moves

karmic grotto
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Bro

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We have like

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Players in EU top 10 who are Contenders players

minor flame
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Chara sucks

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And they need a replacement for him

pearl stratus
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Did any EU teams make it to Gauntlet, even?

short sparrow
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HSL

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Knocked out on first round

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3-0

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Twice

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.-.

trim shadow
pearl stratus
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Oh, they got demolished no wonder I didn't even think of them.

karmic grotto
#

WHAT

trim shadow
#

Well KYB got signed never played and released

karmic grotto
#

wtf

minor flame
#

Lmao i forgot kyb was signed to fusion

karmic grotto
#

At least ez monies earned

trim shadow
#

So philly is soing fusion university basically

pearl stratus
#

Why does Elk always look like a discount DBZ character.

short sparrow
#

"hard work" lmao

karmic grotto
#

But now what

short sparrow
#

I think elk to houston

karmic grotto
#

We have Sado, Boombox,

#

uhm

#

FunnyAstro (maybe)

short sparrow
#

Kyb to Open division x)

karmic grotto
#

Carpe FA

pearl stratus
#

Elk would be bottom of my list if I was Houston.

karmic grotto
#

Poko

pearl stratus
#

I'd push for Custa, etc first.

raw ermine
#

Dang I saw spookyguy typing and I thought it was toronto getting s4 and the others

trim shadow
#

Df is up with elks tits

pearl stratus
#

But yeah as we've all agreed - there's no EU roster to be made that would be very competitive. Which is why we wouldn't blame Sparkle to Paris.

#

Because it at least means they're trying to be better.

#

Instead of just fan bait.

karmic grotto
#

Gotta sign Dafran

#

Let him be a walking meme

#

You never know, if Tracer comes back as meta

#

And Soldier

limber pine
#

guys

pearl stratus
#

Rip Fusion

limber pine
#

you know

#

I pondered for a bit that Carpe may stay

#

I wish I had the the balls to say it out loud weeks ago.

karmic grotto
#

???????????????????

short sparrow
#

Why would he stay though?

karmic grotto
#

What

#

Comcast monies

short sparrow
#

He clearly hates his life in fusion

karmic grotto
#

They still have hope for him when his heroes will shine

#

Well

#

See it like this

pearl stratus
#

He hates mixed roster life.

limber pine
#

not enough if this is true

karmic grotto
#

If Fusion are making moves

pearl stratus
#

And so far everyone released is non-Korean.

#

4head.

short sparrow
#

So... Fusion going full-korean?

karmic grotto
#

Butthats a thing

#

IF they want full korean

#

Why Sign FunnyAstro?

#

or would sign him*

#

according to someone

limber pine
#

Fusion just pretty much told him that he's their franchise player and they'd build around him

short sparrow
#

Did they sign funnyastro...?

karmic grotto
#

No

#

Sources say

limber pine
#

funnyastro is just a rumor so far

karmic grotto
#

Interested ^

short sparrow
#

:/ i don't buy that

pearl stratus
#

They may have been planning on getting rid of Carpe then settled on the extension.

short sparrow
#

So now what?

#

Pick up runaway players to fill up the roster?

#

Maybe fury and bdosin? :O

pearl stratus
#

Or nearly their entire contenders roster themselves.

short sparrow
#

True, they have Alarm

#

And bernar

#

But the others are not worth it

minor flame
#

EQO was dropped yet Carpe still lives

limber pine
#

I could see a lot of FU in OWL next year

#

their season in KR this year wasn't that bad

short sparrow
#

I mean

#

Do you see a lot of GC Busan getting picked up?

#

Their year was better

#

And I still don't

limber pine
#

I know Edison's name has been thrown around

#

i don't recall the rest

short sparrow
#

Oh guys :o

pearl stratus
#

Right now the big pools are coming from: Gen.G, Element Mystic, and Runaway, with some from the China region as well.

short sparrow
#

SDB back to fusion

#

Top 10 anime betrayals

#

What about ATL Academy?

hidden vault
#

Lol then why trade kyb in the 1st place LUL

#

Fusion going full korean?

pearl stratus
#

I tried to explain to people last year that a LOT of the pick ups were temporary.

#

You needed bodies with visas.

#

Since waiting for the visa process in Stage 3/4 is impossible.

raw ermine
#

Maybe Carpe wanted a full Korean team and was planning on leaving but them the fusion decides to go full Korean so he stayed.

limber pine
karmic grotto
#

LOL

#

So it's true

trim shadow
karmic grotto
#

Kariv to Defiant

raw ermine
#

YAY

trim shadow
#

Excuse me

karmic grotto
#

What the heck are these leaks

trim shadow
#

Carpe did what

raw ermine
#

Finally

#

They did it

karmic grotto
#

Best leak of today

#

Would be Sparkle to Paris

raw ermine
#

I bet they will announce agilities and s4 later today

#

If it will happen

hidden vault
#

I'm calling poko to paris lol

calm holly
#

Why so many announcements today?

pearl stratus
#

Watch -

karmic grotto
#

Might as well make France as a team

pearl stratus
#

Poko to Houston. Confuses everyone.

hidden vault
#

How many tank players do they need lol

#

Toronto probably wanting to get a full Canadian bunch before annoucing

minor flame
#

S4 and Agilities should be headin to Toronto at this rate

#

Also nevix

echo quest
#

Do people really get upset that Koreans will join their team lmao

short sparrow
#

Yes

#

I do

limber pine
#

why

echo quest
#

Why?

minor flame
#

You cant be serious

echo quest
#

EU,NA and Even China is garbage compared to Korea talent wise

minor flame
#

Carpe is gonna be staying with Fusion til 2022

#

Lol

limber pine
#

3 years probably largely ceremonial

#

we've already seen players under contract move this offseason

minor flame
#

Fucking hell

#

I mean tbf

#

Carpe isnt a bad reaper

pearl stratus
#

It just raises his buyout.

minor flame
#

But bruh

pearl stratus
#

It's like an insurance policy.

echo quest
#

Predictions for OWWC?

#

3-1 SK against China

#

Ez clap

karmic grotto
#

Leave won't be playing due to health issues

#

F

echo quest
#

Ik

limber pine
#

Halo said on the r/cow server there's still a lot to be announced today

little silo
#

today has been fairly insane already

#

But keep it coming

trim shadow
#

Keep pouring

jagged crater
#

damn crazy day

#

surprised carpe still with fusion

#

money too strong?

trim shadow
#

Money to strong

jagged crater
#

stronk

hidden vault
#

China's top team also got beaten in gauntlet 3-0 just like HSL

#

Even pacific Talon and NA teams did better then China

#

Isn't China supposed to be 2nd to korea lol

limber pine
#

Yeah LGE got smacked

supple prism
#

The hell is going on with these teams

#

Paris drops 4, fusion drops the 2 they don't use, val trades kariv and space then drops agilities?

#

And youngjin escapes china

jagged crater
#

money too strong

raw ermine
#

How good is kariv's zen?

hidden vault
#

Paris going french and korean, philly going full korean, val just became budget

#

And good way to put youngjin's situation lol

trim shadow
#

Kariv issa top 5 zen

raw ermine
#

Nice

#

Rip neko

#

You served us well

supple prism
#

Well, i wouldn't want to have to live in China

trim shadow
#

Or california

supple prism
#

Well if i could afford the nice parts

#

Im actually not sure if I could live outside of Illinois

jagged crater
#

need the good shit

supple prism
#

Where i live is kinda expensive but it is maintained and organized

trim shadow
#

Who dis

little silo
#

but seriously who is Tuba

trim shadow
#

Someone from contenders

#

Thats all i know

short sparrow
#

Former 02 Blast player...

#

So random

#

._.

little silo
#

apparently played for BBG in Chinese Contenders

trim shadow
calm holly
#

Who

karmic grotto
#

???

limber pine
#

he played with Climax on O2 Blast

#

and BBG for that matter

#

a korean playing in CN contenders

#

we'll see I suppose

supple prism
#

Wait, ttuba is dps

limber pine
#

correct

supple prism
#

So they still need a support

limber pine
#

also correct

trim shadow
#

Rjh Tobi

limber pine
#

ArK Neptuno Kellex

#

Sleepy

#

even players like Neko may now be available

trim shadow
#

Washington has options

limber pine
#

yah

karmic grotto
#

Who is

#

ttuba?

limber pine
#

Projectile DPS most recently playing in CN Contenders

trim shadow
#

So hes good at pharah nd junkrat

limber pine
#

He played on Seven with Bazzi, Adora and Revenge

#

He played on MVP Space with Yaki, Fuze and BiaNcA

#

he was O2 Blast with Arrow, Kaiser, and RaiN

#

so he's been "around"

#

just not prominent

trim shadow
#

So hes just outshined

limber pine
#

that seems likely

#

I'd be interested to see some vods

#

KR Contenders S1 was all GOATs

#

so fuck trying to get an idea from that

limber pine
#

so from the couple of games I watched, a large majority of his playtime is on pharah

#

a little bit of genji

#

even less of hanzo/junkrat

#

he's okay

#

Climax (hitscan) and Craz1S (flex tank) are the carries

#

I doubt he would see significant playtime over Stratus.

trim shadow
#

See mykl

#

This how u get people to hate u

jagged crater
#

he's actually makin tons of money on fortnite

trim shadow
#

Cause hes a sell out

jagged crater
#

damn shame but that's the type of content that gets views, esp for a playerbase with so many kids in it

trim shadow
#

Dude is litterally making money from mostly kids

jagged crater
#

dude still looks like a kid too

trim shadow
#

Gotta exploit the 12 year olds

jagged crater
#

pretty common thing among youtubers actually

#

make crazy content, attract the young audience market

raw ermine
#

WTF

#

super???

#

why

#

F

balmy wolf
#

uhhh I think we got jebaited

raw ermine
#

people think its fake

#

yeah

balmy wolf
#

look at the article

raw ermine
#

but what wrong w/ the article

balmy wolf
#

Its a jebait

#

their just thanking super

#

thats its

raw ermine
#

it looks normal to me

#

fair enough

balmy wolf
#

this sounds like something super would do tbh

worn falcon
#

Super, we want to thank you for being you and we look forward to MUCH more success with you and the rest of the team in 2020 and beyond! ```
#

Fucking bait yep

raw ermine
#

They should have done it with sinatraa to be more obvious

balmy wolf
#

give some regoncition to smurf, dude come from contenders and won the OWL

raw ermine
#

didn't everyone do that?

#

lmao

worn falcon
raw ermine
#

haha draycula deleted it

worn falcon
#

nvm

#

im a 🐢

raw ermine
#

Imagine super didn't know about this and thought it was real

gaunt acorn
#

it was bait

ancient path
#

Oh just deleted it lmao

gaunt acorn
balmy wolf
#

Oh that would be horrible from a company standpoint

raw ermine
#

Now I don't feel as bad

karmic grotto
jagged crater
#

technically even custa was new

trim shadow
#

San fran knows theyre not gonna start super

#

There trippin

night tusk
#

I follow this hydration guy or also known as gladius (gla fan) and it’s great to see people like them are happy to see space as their new player

#

After they lost other players ofc

swift moth
#

me waiting to loose surefour

raw ermine
#

Me waiting to gain surefour

tropic herald
#

LAV probably going to clip their wings and sell them just to not be broke

night tusk
#

Yeah I saw mykl post about lav being broke. Just noticed it today

#

Kariv was their best player so there was no other reason to release him

karmic grotto
#

Maybe they wanted monies to go budget?

#

Moneyball is the way to go

tropic herald
#

The only other team that moneyballs is Boston

#

That’s not the way to go

minor flame
#

Yiska is calling myKL leak bull lmao

#

im just not gonna put it in me to trust most of the mykl leaks

pearl stratus
#

He didn't say it was bull, just some of them aren't true anymore. Anymore being the operative word. Rumors are rumors until they're confirmed, even if they come from the dumb fuck.

#

Carpe to NYXL was rumored from a LOT of places, but then suddenly today Fusion ditched every non-Korean player and suddenly Carpe has a 3 year contract rumored.

trim shadow
#

honestly

#

when fusion started dumping everybody but carpe

#

that shouldve told us that carpe was staying

upper niche
#

Fusion dropped Emongg a few months ago (but only announced it recently) which was strange in that they had even kept him on.

little silo
#

emongg was a streamer for Philly not a player

upper niche
#

Yeah - but to what end?

little silo
#

what

balmy wolf
#

Streamers for team are just people who promote the brand.

#

This will be more apparent with homstands coming.

trim shadow
#

Teams can promote in there local area so

raw ermine
#

lmao just tell us already defiant

#

and s4

upper niche
#

defiant seems to have picked up some decent players. Might actually be decent.

raw ermine
#

We need a better tank line tho

upper niche
#

Surefour, Agilities, Kariv, Nevix, Roky - looks decent to me.

raw ermine
#

well, A tank line

#

wait

#

oh yeah

#

nevix

#

forgot he got leaked

#

what main tank tho?

#

Super cause he is a free agent

upper niche
#

KarQ? 😄

trim shadow
hidden vault
#

Who is ttuba? Lol

blissful heron
#

Great Korean dps

balmy wolf
#

I think most likely hes gonna be a backup for stratus

trim shadow
#

80%

#

unless he just out performs stratus in scrims

hidden vault
#

We have never seem stratus's pharah

#

So I assume he would play pharah over stratus

trim shadow
#

most of tuba's clips are of pharah

tropic herald
#

Everyone I’ve seen so far has said he’s really good on Pharah

hidden vault
#

I assume cause of his clips

#

Also if the glads have money

#

Why release roar hydration and surefour?

trim shadow
#

make roam to bid on space from the looks

#

room*

tropic herald
#

S4 probably wants to play for Toronto

trim shadow
#

the pride of canada

supple prism
#

they released S4?

trim shadow
#

not confirmed yet but leaks say he was signed to toronto

gaunt acorn
#

^

#

unless the deal fell through, it's happening

trim shadow
#

that could very much happen but

#

gladiators buying out space's contract

#

they had to let someone go for the salary cap room

#

gladiators litterally outbid everyone for space s4 toronto is happening

#

if it doesnt ill be sad

hidden vault
#

The glads seems to like to throw money at a single player

#

Like decay space

trim shadow
mint flower
#

WOW london is really rebuilding

#

british team?

trim shadow
#

hows them ankles?

upper niche
#

It makes some commerical sense though. Let's be honest: How successful do you really believe you can market a team of Korean-born players in London? Yes, I get you can get it done... but it's not much better than advertising to a niche.

hidden vault
#

This is not even by London

upper niche
#

But in terms of them rebuilding.

mint flower
#

holup

balmy wolf
#

you got jebaited

hidden vault
#

But I do see them going for at least 1 or 2 British for fans

trim shadow
#

id imagine there all gone

mint flower
#

i think this is a move that will happen, just gotta wait for london to announce it themselves

upper niche
#

@trim shadow The question really is who they replace them with.

hidden vault
#

I think they may keep bdosin tho

#

Only him

trim shadow
#

might be Element mystic

balmy wolf
#

I do expect fury to leave london, his value is so high rn as a player.

trim shadow
#

Fury is technically

#

the best fucking ot in the leauge right now

#

id imagine he has all 20 offers

#

at over 150k

#

well gladiators got space so

#

19

#

highest payers are either new york seoul or washington

#

since it looks like washington is deep in the moshpit

mint flower
#

if the mykl leaks are true (honestly wouldn't be surprised if they're bs), he's goin to nyxl

trim shadow
#

one of the rumors is new york is moving bianca up but

#

the fury trade is a reasonable move

#

they could move bianca up as a backup

mint flower
#

i didnt watch gauntlet, but i hear bianca was mediocre

trim shadow
#

in the shield meta only the dps stands out that hard

#

but yea he was meh

tropic herald
#

Well the OT plays Sigma so I’d assume that they should stand out as well

balmy wolf
#

We didn't even get to see fury's sigma since apparently gesture was better at it.

#

Which I doubt.

tropic herald
#

I just realized Hangzhou hasn’t made any changes yet wow

hidden vault
#

I don't think he has all 20 offers lol

trim shadow
#

there one of the teams who should be quiet this off season

tropic herald
#

I’m assuming them and Chengdu will be quiet

#

Chengdu could be scary next year

balmy wolf
#

We know spark is picking up another MT.

tropic herald
#

Also LAG might’ve dropped S4 for Water now that I think about it

mint flower
#

Also interesting that atlanta is the only team without a single player under contract rn

trim shadow
#

which is freaking me out

tropic herald
#

Atlanta could be very strong next year as well

#

Their Academy team is looking strong

hidden vault
#

Inb4 atlanta resign their players

mint flower
#

is the funnyastro thing a rumor or confirmed?

balmy wolf
#

rumor

tropic herald
#

It kinda makes sense

#

Philly might also just be going Korean

hidden vault
#

Make sense they are

#

Cause that's what carpe wants

trim shadow
#

so many korean rosters

hidden vault
#

And they will do anything to keep carpe

#

They will listen to carpe cauae he is their little prince
Hehehehehe

tropic herald
#

Carpe kinda looked washed this season so idk why Philly is that invested

hidden vault
#

Cause he is the face of the team?

#

Idk

#

But tbf he may do better in an kprean environment

tropic herald
#

Well

haughty dagger
#

did that announcement say something about super before deleted?

#

lol

trim shadow
#

but uk

tropic herald
#

He should’ve gone to Seoul

trim shadow
#

carpe could get around 1 language

#

hence korean

#

and just go ape shit

hidden vault
#

But does seoul want him?

tropic herald
#

Idk

trim shadow
#

if philly is going full korean

tropic herald
#

I wouldn’t lol

trim shadow
#

hes signed to a 3 year with philly

#

so if philly is going full KR

#

carpe could just go ape shi

hidden vault
#

Profit + Fleta
Who is the other 2 dps again?😅

#

There's no place for carpe

tropic herald
#

Illicit

balmy wolf
#

fits, and profit

tropic herald
#

And I can’t remember the other

#

Oh yeah

balmy wolf
#

so 5 dps

tropic herald
#

Is Highly a dps?

hidden vault
#

Nope support

tropic herald
#

Okay

#

They have 4 dps

#

And I think they cover the entire hero pool too

trim shadow
#

seoul A and B team the comeback

tropic herald
#

Imagine trying to prep for Fleta and Profit

balmy wolf
#

Only going work if they have decent staff who know how to actually use this roster properly.

#

They sure fucked up in the 1st season.

tropic herald
#

Nah

#

I’m saying

#

Imagine you are about to play against Seoul

#

How do you prep to play against that dps duo?

balmy wolf
#

A meta will come back and everyone will be playing mirrors for the most part.

#

Mode centric comps will rise up like pharah + bastion on payload maps.

tropic herald
#

That’s alright with me

#

Adds variety

#

Better than 1 comp every map every game

balmy wolf
#

Its more like seoul has redundancy for dps just incase one player is better in the moment compare to another.

trim shadow
#

take into mind

#

owl is a travelling show now

#

everyone needs a backuo

#

up*

balmy wolf
#

All the top teams are just bidding for backups for their support players.

#

Like which MS do you get for slime or moth?

hidden vault
#

Rapel for slime

#

Moth not sure but some korean ms

balmy wolf
#

rapel is a backup for twilight.

hidden vault
#

What if moth suddenly has a diarrhoea?

cold pier
#

shock won't sign another ms

#

very doubtful

hidden vault
#

Can't play the next day

cold pier
#

neptuno played with kidney stones

#

players have dedication

balmy wolf
#

Players also have to travel next year.

#

And moth was the only player to play almost every map in s2 on shock. Only getting subbed out for funsies.

hidden vault
#

They would get a back up it's just hard to find someone as good

#

So rascal is his back up:p

balmy wolf
#

Shock probs wants a complete full 12 of players for s3. The value of running 2 squads for in house scrimming or just mixing players up for different meta is very powerful.

hidden vault
#

Actually shock could try closer

#

If they want him

balmy wolf
#

I wouldn't call closer a top 10 MS.

hidden vault
#

Who else is available?

balmy wolf
#

Contenders.

hidden vault
#

Slime?

#

Rights

tropic herald
#

Shock was looking at the Runaway supports iirc

cold pier
#

shock doesn't need backups for every player

#

they have a set 9 players that they want to work with

#

i wouldn't change that

#

if i was crusty

hidden vault
#

They have no back up for support

balmy wolf
#

Look at it in this way, shock wants depth, not just backups.

cold pier
#

^

hidden vault
#

And if smth goes wrong?

#

There always a question of if

cold pier
#

Choi played

#

playoffs while he was sick

#

near the end

#

They'll play in rain in shine whatever the conditions are

tropic herald
#

12 players also means internal scrims

hidden vault
#

I mean you could play while you are sick

cold pier
#

"Can't play"

#

Define can't play then

balmy wolf
#

Playing sick and traveling is whole different ball game.

#

That's just asking for future health problems.

cold pier
#

ys i know

hidden vault
#

Too sick to play?

#

Would be up to the coach or player to decide

tropic herald
#

Travel, especially international travel, is very likely to cause players to not feel as well

#

Considering they play in China too

trim shadow
#

S M O G

upper hawk
#

yo the Valiant are screwed lol

#

Space, Kariv and Agilities all gone

mint flower
#

And they're going for a low budget team

upper hawk
#

well its gonna be a low budget season because thats the whole backbone of the team

#

bring Space to the Gladiators. we need tanks

hidden vault
#

Tbh it's like this for most teams

#

Except houston

tropic herald
#

Rush just got sent to Paris

little silo
#

as the new head coach too

karmic grotto
#

LOOOOL

#

Sparkle?? hmmmmm

limber pine
#

Pretty much

karmic grotto
#

I still can't believe it

hidden vault
#

Sparkle can't be the only one right?

karmic grotto
#

if Sparkle wants to go with Rush

#

Rush is signed to Paris

hidden vault
#

I mean I would expect a bunch from EM to go paris

raw ermine
#

They ditched the all EU idea after 1 season lmao

blissful heron
#

Official

nova wadi
#

WHAT

#

WHY TO PARIS

karmic grotto
#

WHATRTTTT

#

yeh boooi

nova wadi
#

Love me Some full EU with one Korean

forest raven
#

They got EM's coach too

karmic grotto
#

But he can't play for 4 months tho

nova wadi
#

Idk man

#

I’m surprised Paris out of all teams won the bidding war

limber pine
#

The rumor is that rush and sparkle were a package deal

nova wadi
#

Let’s hope guy doesn’t get homesick when he has to life in France

forest raven
#

Isn't Paris owned by a soccer team or something

nova wadi
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Idk

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I was hoping for philly to get him :( guess not

hidden vault
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Only rush and sparkle?

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Who else from EM?

limber pine
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Idk who else

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Runaway getting more of the attention

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Paris getting serious today

balmy wolf
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Thats another former EM coach right there

echo quest
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Paris realizing that they should go Korean instead of getting western bums

nova wadi
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Paris should go full Korean ngl

echo quest
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Fr

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So does this mean Mykl wasn’t baiting. And that Fate is going SHD and Fury to NYXL

nova wadi
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*assuming that the EM coaches have never coached any other than Koreans and sp9rkle probably not speaking English either that might make it even harder no?