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trim shadow
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since hes FA LFT i believe

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if toronto doesnt scoop up fact then they missed out on super team status

hidden vault
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They still have a choice on korean main tanks

trim shadow
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but from the pick ups it looks like they want a more western style team

hidden vault
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They have kariv

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And mayyyyybe ivy and neko

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Probably a mixed

little silo
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Maybe someone like Kaiser

trim shadow
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but then that questions fefe even more

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how will he deal with a mixed roster

little silo
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Since he can speak English

trim shadow
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since technically paris was mixed euro and he couldnt unite them very well

hidden vault
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English only

little silo
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Fefe will not be the only coach though

raw ermine
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I am just waiting for this stuff to hopefully be confirmed and toronto be a infinitely better team

hidden vault
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Then he should try full french instead

little silo
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Why

hidden vault
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Replying to rusha

trim shadow
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theres not that much french talent

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but then again

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paris resigned 4 of there french players

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go throw money at poko

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bring up a french contenders player for cheap

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and try with that

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neptuno is french right?

little silo
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Maybe Lilbow

hidden vault
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Noo

little silo
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neptuno is spanish

hidden vault
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He's Spanish

trim shadow
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he looks EU what the fuck

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oh my dumbfuck ass

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his last name is gonzales

little silo
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Almost like Spain is in Europe

hidden vault
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Trade poko with who

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Well he is EU

trim shadow
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poko is a team option so

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so just offer him

hidden vault
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No surprise he ends up in paris

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But they are obviously going part korean so

little silo
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why

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Just because a coach is korean

hidden vault
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It's more likely then not

trim shadow
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i think what paris is gonna do

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is try and stay EU player wise

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but try and get coaches not from the EU

hidden vault
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Is kruise part of EU?

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With all the brexit going on

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Oh dear:(

trim shadow
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kruise is british?

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hes either french or british

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im trying to play his accent in my head but i cant figure out which one it is

hidden vault
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He's British

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Also poko is under contract

trim shadow
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well shit

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who the hell is paris gonna put at Off tank then since there current OT's are booty

hidden vault
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I think poko is a good additon to paris

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But I think their current tank Finnsi might be better than poko

limber pine
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Is xQc actually rumored to join TD?

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or is that just a made up thing?

pearl stratus
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Made up, from everything I can tell.

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You'd also have heard rumors of the other MT they'd need for when he fails himself out again.

raw ermine
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He said he would stop with OW after the world cup. Both competitively and casually

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So 99 percent no

limber pine
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So Florida is looking to be RunAway 2.0

karmic grotto
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LOL

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Do they even have the money

hidden vault
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How does game has get all the rumours?

karmic grotto
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By being journalists?

hidden vault
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Yes but still how?

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You just have random who want to get interviewed by you?

karmic grotto
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Well, every sport

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has journalists

trim shadow
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florida has 5 options
kris bqb byrem gargoyle karayan
if it was me
trade bqb
drop kris and byrem
throw money at the rest of runaway

limber pine
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not all of runaway is eligible right?

pearl stratus
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Leaks are the same as just about anywhere.

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People talk, and eventually they tell someone or hint at something to someone they probably shouldn't

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It's not like its a huge community for pros.

trim shadow
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i believe florida during the season was trying to sign QoQ but he wanted to stay with his team

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so it would make sense if florida just said fuck it

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how much do yall want

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OH SHIT and runner is now out of the military

karmic grotto
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Fun thing

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BQB is ranked one in Asia

mint flower
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rn?

karmic grotto
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yes

karmic grotto
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oh well

trim shadow
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wait bqb is ranked 1 in asia?

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stonks

mint flower
balmy wolf
trim shadow
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already posted

short sparrow
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I know we already have the Nevix to Toronto rumour

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But they could probably take Mouffin (who's canadian) and be very well server as well :o

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He's probably cheaper too

karmic grotto
short sparrow
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Already posted

karmic grotto
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oh heck

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you guys fas

limber pine
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I think aimgod is the only one we didn't know?

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i guess kellex wasn't official either

short sparrow
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Dude

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Again

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Already posted

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xD

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Hey, quick thought:

limber pine
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dude who cares

short sparrow
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Outlaws pick up Crimzo and Fire from Team Envy :o

limber pine
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that sounds like a terrible idea

short sparrow
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That would be pretty cool, right?

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Why? ><

limber pine
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There are far better options at support than Crimzo

short sparrow
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Like rawkus? :/

limber pine
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and definitely better than Fire.

short sparrow
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Better NA supports?

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Atlanta won't let go of dogman...

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Moth is definitely not an option

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Maybe elk or carcar I guess?

trim shadow
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i think aimgod got traded

short sparrow
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Oh, or sleepy :o

trim shadow
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the rest got dropped

raw ermine
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I want crimzo to TD

trim shadow
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jesus no sleepy in a boston uni

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stop it

short sparrow
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No, I meant Sleepy to outlaws

trim shadow
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fire isnt that good..well he didnt look good at gauntlet

short sparrow
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Also, TD should have Kariv already (according to rumours)

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Envy didn't do great

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But their supports have always been pretty good...

raw ermine
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True

trim shadow
short sparrow
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There are still 4

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.-.

trim shadow
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original boston is dead u doughnut

hidden vault
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Aimgod and Kellex is expected tbh

trim shadow
raw ermine
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Sometimes it's needed

raw ermine
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When do you think the info about the TD trades will happen? I want them to be true soo bad.

sullen berry
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Official post for vanity sprite

limber pine
karmic grotto
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jeez

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you guys fast, I just wanted to post Fusion one

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So Neptuno gone

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Who will be promoted?

limber pine
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carcar?

balmy wolf
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lets see, his BD is dec 4th

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still 17 on the liquidpedia page

limber pine
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hm

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Fuze then

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he was just signed

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well "just signed"

sullen berry
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There's three people here already onto the updates

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Fuze, probably

pearl stratus
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They do, technically, still have Elk.

balmy wolf
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oh yea forgot about him

limber pine
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I thought elk was “inactive”

little silo
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when did Elk last play in a professional match

balmy wolf
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contenders korea I think, then he moved back to the US

pearl stratus
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Doesn't mean he hasn't been scrimming.

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Look at the value on Nevix, Leave, etc.

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Despite not touching a match

minor flame
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Im expecting Florida pick up ArK

trim shadow
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Ark would complete the toronto super team tho

sullen berry
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3 main tanks

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One giant question mark

balmy wolf
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Nice meme

trim shadow
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issa bait

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even one of the guys in the org got baited

hidden vault
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I think it wouldn't be a surprise if Washington traded their tank duo to Paris for money

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Regardless they still need to find a solid off tank for roar

trim shadow
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but lulsish and ellie were confirmed stay like when free angency started

hidden vault
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Wait you are right
I didn't see the tweet around here:p

supple prism
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didnt they already drop 2 of them and are gonna use the 2 that couldnt play

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even though they got decent at the end of the season

hidden vault
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yeahh they droped janus and sansam

sullen berry
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@hidden vault username changed pretty quickly

hidden vault
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No I'm not talking about the bait

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Paris has a tankline issue they need to solve now

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LHcloudy "to washington" kinda prompt the idea

sullen berry
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Ah but the tweet triggered the idea :v

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I'd totally frankenstein some kind of tank combination by watching the top EU countries in OWWC

hidden vault
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Well the only people I know are overwatch league players and possibly their academy teams

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Soo that wouldn't happen for me XD

sullen berry
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just watch contenders EU

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all those VODs are waiting for you

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Young and Beautiful

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HSL Esports

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and Gigantti are the most favoured to be brought up into OW League

hidden vault
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Yeah but I would assume those in the gauntlet would be more sought after

sullen berry
red anvil
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wait hang on

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O2 posted that?

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are they complete idiots

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ah its not an official account

sullen berry
hidden vault
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Yeah I guess sooner or later these tweets can lead to defamatory

limber pine
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It's official bois

naive garden
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It was real

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Wtf

pearl stratus
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I feel like... this is now more relevant.

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Tra-lalalalala.

limber pine
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I wonder what London is gonna do

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they only have two flex supports and an off tank signed

forest raven
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crabDance London is gone crabDance

pearl stratus
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Probably pull from Contenders, like most people.

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Losing Gesture/Birdring isn't that important, Profit decent.

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Unbiased they really only lost one valuable player.

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I agree with Flame that there's a lot of people on a lot of rosters that in the current game climate aren't really... useful anymore, which makes their worth hard to decide.

karmic grotto
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WOW

pearl stratus
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You get your Pines, Shadowburns, etc. Which are for all intents and purposes pretty useless.

karmic grotto
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SPARKLE INCOMING?

pearl stratus
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Also its relatively normal for a new coach to not always want the older talent - conflict of styles, etc. Veteran players (even though its only 2 years in this situation) aren't always worth the trouble, regardless of level.

limber pine
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it's part of the issue with OW

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there's such huge swings in meta

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Most other esports don't have that issues

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players who have played for years in csgo/lol/dota can continue to play because their skill is more easily transferable

minor flame
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Flexibility of your heropool is most essential

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In a game as everchanging as OW

pearl stratus
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Yes and no, I'd still argue in other sports having players that aren't specialized are important. Like MLB players can, and have, rotated around infield positions, etc.

golden dagger
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Welp. Peace out London ✌

astral jetty
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Thos player tradements are insane

limber pine
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The meta doesn't change in baseball though

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certainly not at the rate of OW

minor flame
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Staying in one team in OWL would be difficult with shifting metas if youre inflexible

pearl stratus
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I mean you could argue, and I've seen it done, that the meta is just your plays looking at it like football.

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The end result in is the same - get past the goal line.

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But the meta rotates around your players - you have Brady? You're in a passing meta. You have Bell? You're in a rushing meta.

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(Not that the Jets ran anything last night, except into the ground)

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But that being said I think the community overreacts to a players worth, and doesn't realize that 6 months, a year, etc, is long enough to make your favorite player just a bench slot.

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It's why I rank Nevix/Hydration so high for pick ups. It's two players that have now played every role professionally.

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Very little chance of lost investment.

glass kettle
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But the meta rotates around your players - you have Brady? You're in a passing meta. You have Bell? You're in a rushing meta.

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thank you

trim shadow
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Oh shit

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Seoul is actually a korean super team

echo quest
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That’s why TheShy is the best Top laner in lol rn. Man can play anything at an absurd level

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While most top laners can’t

hidden vault
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Nahh the current players in Seoul are lesser known

trim shadow
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The pride of korea has arrived

hidden vault
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How does profit and fleta duo work?

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They play almost the same heroes

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Except one tracer and the other widow

echo quest
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Basically all the Dps in the game

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So it’s fine

trim shadow
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Profit fleta has the same energy as sdb soom

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Soon*

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Espect this time they shouldnt disappoint

hidden vault
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But seoul always disappoints

limber pine
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But the meta rotates around your players - you have Brady? You're in a passing meta. You have Bell? You're in a rushing meta.

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That's not meta though, that's playing according to your players

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meta is like, playing with 5 offensive linemen

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could you not do that, yeah but you'd be silly not to

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the nfl is in a pass-happy meta

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and some teams choose not to be meta

pearl stratus
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Or can't be meta, as in last nights game with the Jets QB throwing like.. 6? interceptions.

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Jets full on Dallas Fuel'd it.

limber pine
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lul

trim shadow
limber pine
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I shouldn't laugh cause my team (Washington) didn't fare much better

trim shadow
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I cant talk either cause The falcons are the defintition of wastefield trash

echo quest
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Nba season starting today 😤

pearl stratus
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I more mean like with all the new changes to hitting/blocking rules RB are now more niche picks because the no-helmet rule has pushed the league into passing.

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So most teams are spending more to pick up receivers.

trim shadow
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The falcons trading sanu radiates the same energy as the Rck note trade

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Sorry striker to san fran

pearl stratus
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A lot of the players we've seen over the past 2 years have had such changing values.

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Some people seem shocked Gamsu is rumored for a 200k+ salary when someone like OGE is getting much less and being traded (rumored).

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But player value has changed so much on its criterion after two seasons.

trim shadow
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When gamsu litterally was half the reason shanghai came back from the trash bun

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Id pay 240k for gamsu

echo quest
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Gamsu is tilt proof and a proven leader

trim shadow
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Gamus is basically korean ghandi

echo quest
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When will this game have an Uzi

trim shadow
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Well carpe at one point was like uzi

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Same as Profit

pearl stratus
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He's also one of the only real adults in the league, when you look at it. He's lived in the US off and on since 2014, knows how to take care of himself, cook, exercise etc.

echo quest
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Nah. Uzi is so far and above every other adc just can’t win international

pearl stratus
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Meanwhile most other koreans in S1 were getting massive diarrea from basically only eating spicy ramen.

trim shadow
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Well hes opting to stick to LPL

echo quest
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They need to stop playing through botlane

trim shadow
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If uzi went to LCS yea hed win a worlds

echo quest
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Nice joke

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Lcs is fucking garbage.

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No team in the quarter finals

trim shadow
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Lcs is NA right

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Hold up is liquid throwing

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God dammit

echo quest
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No

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They were in a group with IG ( last year winners) and Damwon gaming

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Korean 3rd seed

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C9 is complete trash

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And well Clutch gaming went 0-6 because they were in a group with Fnatic,RNG and SKT

trim shadow
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Lec is europe

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Lcs is na

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God dammit

short sparrow
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Well, profit and gesture have OFFICIALLY left spitfire now

glass kettle
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slowpoke.png

short sparrow
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So we should soon get the Seoul announcement

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:o

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@glass kettle ???

glass kettle
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hopefully SeoulDynasty

short sparrow
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ParisEternal 😍

pearl stratus
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So far the Paris Cocks have just gotten dicked.

short sparrow
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Ik :(

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I want them to get a good tank line

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But...

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Who?

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Lullsish and Ellivote are impossible to get

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Fusions ain't gonna be let go

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Nevix is probably signed already

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So... Milkyman and Zappis?

pearl stratus
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Nevix went to Toronto.

short sparrow
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Bogur? xD

hidden vault
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Really is the English part of EU?

short sparrow
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Its not an EU team

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Its a european team

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SDB

hidden vault
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And technically they could still get the Swedish duo IF they make and offer so entcing that Washington is willing to go back on their word

short sparrow
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Maybe Tonic and Txao?...

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xP

red anvil
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@short sparrow Seoul announcement is probably not before tomorrow

hidden vault
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I could see Valiant wanting Lullsish and Ellivote

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But none of that matters

pearl stratus
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Only if they're willing to take 50-60k a year in contracts.

red anvil
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It's 1.30AM in Seoul atm

short sparrow
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@hidden vault They probably won't pay up to Washington

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And yeah, you're right kaku :p

pearl stratus
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Remember, based on all leaks right now VAL isn't giving contracts much above league minimum this year.

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Hence why they don't have anyone on roster at

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*atm

short sparrow
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Yeah

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Valiant are probably gonna sign like

red anvil
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Valient will probably just pick up the scrap no one else wanted

short sparrow
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Clockwork Vendetta xD

red anvil
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which is honestly a possibility lol

pearl stratus
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They'll pick up people desperate to be in OWL.

short sparrow
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CV in OWL baby

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As the valiant

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:o

hidden vault
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So Washington pays lullsish and ellivote more than 60k?

pearl stratus
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No clue, but you have to consider it.

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League average last year was 83k.

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Which means LAV is going down 20k from last years average salary.

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It's why the Closer -> Custa trade didn't happen.

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Closer was too expensive.

hidden vault
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The only teams we know are pulling it down are boston and mayhem

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Others are debatable

pearl stratus
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I doubt mayhem is anymore.

hidden vault
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True

pearl stratus
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Fate, etc, I don't think you're getting for minimum.

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Swon and all the people they released? Probably close to minimum.

hidden vault
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Fate no saya no bryem maybe?

pearl stratus
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We know Toronto is throwing crazy money around right now.

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So is Dallas.

hidden vault
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Anyways I'm guessing lull and elli are towards the lower end

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Since they are new

pearl stratus
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New doesn't means a lot, Decay was new. And they seem to be building around them in terms of languages.

red anvil
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Paying whatever Dallas is paying Closer is a big lol

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no one in there right mind would take over that contract

pearl stratus
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Dallas is rumored to be paying Gamsu 240k.

red anvil
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i'm curious if Dallas goes for someone like Ark

pearl stratus
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Doubt it, Ark is mediocre af and doesn't have leadership potential.

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Their two attempted pick ups make sense from what their org needs.

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They're only going after people with leadership qualities.

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Hence Gamsu/Custa.

red anvil
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i wouldn't say mediocre af, he's alright but no star talent

hidden vault
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We is leading dallas now?

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OGE?

pearl stratus
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No one.

red anvil
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likely Closer

hidden vault
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Really?

red anvil
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Harry was leading when he was starting

pearl stratus
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OGE tilts and burns out. Closer tracks ults insanely, but I don't think that translates to calls beyond ults.

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It's known Closer has some of the best ult tracking in the league.

red anvil
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That's a meme

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that have stayed since Apex

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no one believes that

pearl stratus
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Apparently Bani does too, but Bani's not a starter. Rip.

hidden vault
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I thought they would had a plan when they traded custa out

pearl stratus
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No, Custa just wanted to leave.

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And they helped him.

hidden vault
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Jake too? But he is not a starter either

pearl stratus
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Jake doesn't ult track, he calls/strats.

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Two different roles, really.

hidden vault
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Oh you are talking about ult tracking lol

pearl stratus
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I like the meme that Jake won't play anymore with Hydration when by all accounts its most likely, if the meta stays as is, going to be Jake + Hydration + Danteh, with the rare Linkzr.

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Not that Jake is amazing, just that Linkzr brings the overall least to the team with all the current bullshit in the game.

hidden vault
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And the dps they fill?

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Danteh sombra

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Hydration doomfist

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Jake mei?

pearl stratus
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Hydration is anything projectile, minus Genji, with Orisa, ball, Lucio

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Jake is a mix of projectile and hitscan now

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Danteh is projectile minus Pharah, with Tracer.

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Danteh can play Pharah, its just not great.

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Linkzr is hitscan.

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And right now Hitscan is so tough to get value out of.

mint flower
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hydration doesnt play genji?

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i swear i've seen him pull out genji multiple times

forest raven
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Yeah hydrations two biggest heroes were pharah and genji backim in the day

pearl stratus
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He can play it, but he hasn't used it competitively in what... almost two years now.

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I'd say right now no one -really- plays Genji.

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he's been meta fucked for so long

hidden vault
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Jake plays hit scan? Nvr thought of that other than tracer

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And I thought linkzer was the one who played reaper for them?

pearl stratus
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Yeah, even last season he played McCree a bit and I know he plays Ashe though she doesn't fit into pro play.

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Imo Danteh is a better Reaper, but both Danteh/Jake are better Dooms so it becomes relegation.

hidden vault
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Hydration doesn't play doom?

echo quest
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He does

pearl stratus
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He does, but that was last season.

echo quest
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^

pearl stratus
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Houston just picked him up, so he wouldn't impact why Linkzr was playing Reaper

echo quest
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He made it work when doom was shit

pearl stratus
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If Houston had hydration season 2 he'd play Sigma, though 😛

echo quest
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Bqb is still on mayhem right

mint flower
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i think he's on team option

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and mayhem hasnt picked it up or declined

pearl stratus
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Mayhem plays it smart.

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If they don't even know what they're doing its impossible for anyone else to figure them out.

echo quest
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At least they have a good tank line

hidden vault
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they hadn't confirmed Gargoyle tho

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
hidden vault
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I wonder how many of the orgs are willing to hire korean chefs for their korean players

pearl stratus
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If they're smart - any of them.

balmy wolf
echo quest
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Sparkle to Spark

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Calling it

karmic grotto
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??

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What makes you think that?

echo quest
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Why? Not

swift moth
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did boston's entire support line get snapped?

limber pine
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yes

swift moth
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wow

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that's rough

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what players do they have left?

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colour, blase and fusions?

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
limber pine
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Axxiom too

swift moth
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seems a bit drastic but boston didn't get many trades this year so that must be why

little silo
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Supposedly Sparkle wants to be on the same team as Rush and seeing how NY are low on a head coach they might go for that package deal

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But everyone will try to go for Sparkle so thats not surprising

hidden vault
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is sparkle that great?

cold pier
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yes

hidden vault
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But he needs his dps friends Doha and Xzi right?

echo quest
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No

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But those two are also very good

limber pine
little silo
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Ok so which dps is gonna leave

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Jake Hydration Blase Linkzr and Danteh is quite a lot of players

trim shadow
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What is this

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God dammit houston ur doing a new york

little silo
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Dude its literally right above

worn falcon
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5 DPS

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unless they play Hydration on OT

limber pine
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It has to be jake right?

little silo
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Probably but it also seems so unlikely

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The man is literally OWL's posterboy

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Houston would love to hold onto him but maybe he got a better offer

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they also only have one actual hitscan with Linkzr

trim shadow
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I cant imagine harsha had a say in that signing

pearl stratus
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Or it could entirely be Harsha's signing as he's trying to redo things.

trim shadow
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But if he has 5 dps he has to be selling one of them

pearl stratus
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Says who?

trim shadow
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What is harsha gonna do with 5 dps

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Yes harsha is a good coach

pearl stratus
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What was Shock doing with them?

trim shadow
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ahhh i see it now

limber pine
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benching one

trim shadow
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Hes gonna use em to build each other up

pearl stratus
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Yeah, they'll be benches - but current climate is having multiple. Also he picked up Blase.

little silo
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Maybe some Dps players still have active contracts from last season and Harsha doesnt intend to use all of them

pearl stratus
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What did Blase play in Season 2/

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C'mon, don't overthink it.

little silo
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OT and Brig

pearl stratus
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Cool what did hydration play?

trim shadow
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Ot and doom

little silo
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Main/Off Tank

pearl stratus
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he's picked up two players that literally can never be useless.

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Because they have, on stage, played multiple roles in multiple positions.

trim shadow
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But hes gonna replace muma with flex dps?

limber pine
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get out of here with that logic endo

little silo
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True but is Blase a good offtank

pearl stratus
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hydration was mostly ball/Sigma.

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Which is the off-tank position.

little silo
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And Orisa

pearl stratus
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Yeah, but that was because Glads main tank was shit.

little silo
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Yup

pearl stratus
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Muma can play Orisa.

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So assume we now have 5 DPS, 2 of which can cover OT as well.

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One who can also cover support.

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Blase/Hydration are great pick ups because of that. Whether you keep your other 3 dps or not.

little silo
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Yeah but what are they gonna do with Danteh Jake and Linkzr

pearl stratus
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I also don't think having 5 dps is inherently the worst, especially with the primary being flex.

little silo
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Linkzr likely stays or gets replaced as the only hitscan

pearl stratus
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I see them all having spots based on what comes up.

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Just like Shock did.

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While Blase, Hydration, Jake and Danteh have overlap

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They also have very clearly defined specialties.

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If Sombra comes back into meta we've seen what a non-Danteh Sombra looks like.

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Jake plays her decently, but its still not a comparison.

little silo
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true but I cant see 5 dps staying on that team

pearl stratus
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And Hydrations Sombra is the worst.

trim shadow
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So u think instead of picking up a ot

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Harsha signed flex fps

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Who can OT

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And MT

pearl stratus
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I didn't say that.

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I think he's picking players who won't lose value.

little silo
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Spree and Coolmatt are under contract for some reason

trim shadow
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The way u put it sounds like harsha is gonna sell em

pearl stratus
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They could still pay out the contracts and remove them.

karmic grotto
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????

limber pine
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contracts are just really a minor detail

pearl stratus
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Spree has been, on twitch, gearing away from OW.

karmic grotto
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blase to outlaws?

pearl stratus
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I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by Season 3.

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And Coolmatt, while a bad D'va, isn't the worst brain.

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So you can rotate him to a player coach.

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Like Clockwork.

limber pine
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Profit and Gesture were both under contract, and are now gone.

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so it doesn't really matter in the end.

little silo
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Most benched players take on the role pf a player coach in the team

pearl stratus
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Yeah, but if you make it official you remove the contract and roster slot issue.

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Contracts are, as Sprite said, the most minor of the things involved.

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
pearl stratus
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Space was under contract, rumored that LAG gave 400k+ salary for him.

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Things can be bought out.

supple prism
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Ugh

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10x as much as i do

pearl stratus
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the 400k is only the buy out cost, not his salary.

supple prism
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Oh

pearl stratus
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However the most important thing to note for the Blase pick up isn't who or what happened.

trim shadow
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Space kinda deserves that 400k tho

pearl stratus
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But this is the first pick up that increased the roster, which means Houston has found, from somewhere, money to burn regardless of status of the team.

trim shadow
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Hes dummy consistent

pearl stratus
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Until Blase it's been kind of 1:1 replacements (not in skill, but in terms of roster space)

supple prism
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Is Boston just gonna pick up contenders players?

little silo
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Boston will most likely go for unknown pickups again

pearl stratus
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Dogman basically confirmed they'll be bringing Mouffin up from Contenders.

little silo
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relatively at least

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Might promote Swimmer too

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as for flex support and hitscan dps... No clue

pearl stratus
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I could also see Houston making Jake a coach/pr role too, but honestly if you look at stats

limber pine
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You might see a lot of UA move up

supple prism
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Did Boston get new coaches?

pearl stratus
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Jake was the -only- improved Houston player last season.

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The only one.

limber pine
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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
little silo
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Boston got Mineral right

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As the new head coach

limber pine
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yah

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and iLKa

pearl stratus
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Mineral has a good head on his shoulders, Florida did him dirty.

jagged crater
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wtfs houston has like 4 flex dps players

little silo
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yes

pearl stratus
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Hitscan is useless 😛

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Especially if your flex players play the required hitscans for a dual hitscan set up.

jagged crater
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tho i guess blase is prob the doom specialist at this point

supple prism
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How many teams now no longer have an orginal players?

karmic grotto
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People are thinking, why so many flex players, but they don't think about using players who travel to another country

supple prism
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Ohh

pearl stratus
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Having a deep roster is going to be huge for travel, yeah.

karmic grotto
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Thus the reason why having more players of the same role is good

jagged crater
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so what about them teams that only have 1 of specific role

pearl stratus
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And players who can cover multiple roles?

karmic grotto
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F

little silo
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they will most likely pick up more players

jagged crater
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hydration main tanking confirmed

pearl stratus
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Kind of what I was trying to convey with the Hydration/Blase pick up.

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Multi-role players are going to be the new in in 2020.

jagged crater
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pine back on flex support

pearl stratus
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Obviously you don't want your dps on another role, but just having the option relieves a lot of burden.

little silo
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Bilingual (korean and English) players still hold some good value

jagged crater
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the flex dps is usually the most flexible role

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more flexible than the actual "flex" aka offtank

little silo
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So people like Ark and Bischu will probably not struggle too much finding a new team

pearl stratus
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I think Ark will, Bischu probably not.

jagged crater
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we should be seeing every team have 12 players then

pearl stratus
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I doubt 12.

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I'm guessing ~10.

jagged crater
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seems RISKY

little silo
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why

jagged crater
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if the schedule seems like what it is

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teams can potentially be traveling to another country every week?

pearl stratus
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If you have 2-3 multi-role players you don't need 12, and you save money to spend elsewhere.

little silo
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Yes

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But with so many players you can send specific rosters

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so not everyone has to travel at once

jagged crater
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that's why some teams might be going "moneyball" route

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finding some cheap players

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just in case

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better than no player at all

pearl stratus
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Well you're going to have three models from what I can tell.

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Super teams, which won't do different rsoters.

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Money ball teams, which may.

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And Atlanta-esque teams.

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Where their numbers come via 2 way players.

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And they in house scrim due to an academy.

jagged crater
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stage 3 seoul was so cool , i love seeing 2 entirely diff rosters actually play

little silo
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Season 3 Seoul is gonna be different

jagged crater
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something about it never before seen in OWL

pearl stratus
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The problem is it worked in LA, it won't work in 2020.

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Because in a static location you could play either team, and it kept mystery.

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When you assign them home/away type teams, you lose all mystery and its easier prep.

little silo
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Sending 12 players at all times, mixing and matching and all of them need to travel also isnt efficient

jagged crater
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a few dedicated away players and a few dedi home players

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who's gonna want to be away if you're seoul tho

queen drift
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seoul will be different every season, because they have pretty much first pick of any korean talent outside of Vancouver and maybe SFS

little silo
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Dedicated away players sound unlikely

pearl stratus
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Geographically, not economically. They'll still lose some players to sheer money.

jagged crater
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the min is still 50k right?

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considering there are players being paid 200k+

pearl stratus
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Yeah, unless they upped it.

queen drift
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300k is the max ive heard

pearl stratus
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All we know for sure is 2019 average was ~83k.

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Soft max.

queen drift
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i dont mean thats the max salary possible

little silo
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Wasnt the average 93k and median 84k

queen drift
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i mean thats the highest ive heard a player have

jagged crater
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damn that's crazy high salary

little silo
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or was that the 2018 season

pearl stratus
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Soft cap, in this situation, means that a player has a tax-free worth of up to [x] value.

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And if you go over [x] value the team pays a luxury tax.

queen drift
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I wonder what Sinatraas is rn

little silo
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250k I think

jagged crater
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150k turned out to be good value who knew xD

pearl stratus
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He was at 150k, I'd assume they'd naturally give him some form of a raise.

queen drift
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yeah

pearl stratus
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I don't think it'd be 100k difference though.

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I'd bet he's at... 175-195k range.

queen drift
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i cant imagine hed stay at 150 after winning the league, and mvp

little silo
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i remember seeing something like that but its unlikely

jagged crater
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and sinatraa the type of dude that shops gucci, he def wants to get paid $$$

queen drift
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i dont know about that

jagged crater
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get that wallet STACKED

queen drift
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he shops gucci and shit because he can

little silo
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He will get an increase for sure but his contracts were made before that season

pearl stratus
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Yeah but you have to factor in being on the team has additional payment.

queen drift
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i dont think money is his main drive

pearl stratus
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There's more money in maintaining that team for most players than picking up new salaries.

queen drift
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most of the players get their salary but dont have much/anything to spend it on, they live in a team house, get food paid for

little silo
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So most of it is savings

queen drift
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most are younger and live in fuckin LA so dont drive

little silo
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Shock also won 1,1mil by winning the Grand Finals and I think 50% has to go to the players

queen drift
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They said the prize money was divided among players

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whether that goes to staff as well they didnt say, but definitely players

pearl stratus
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50% has to be given to players, according to the rules. So I'd go by the 50%.

queen drift
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thats just the grand finals tho

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what was the stage bonus they won

pearl stratus
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They only won one stage, for 200k.

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So 650k in total stage/grand finals.

queen drift
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so he probably made like 75k

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off of winnings

little silo
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I think every team in stage playoffs gets paid a bit

queen drift
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or within that realm

pearl stratus
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If its player only, and they had what... 10 players? So probably a little lower.

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But its still a factor in whether or not you leave or stay.

little silo
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And with Shock making every stage final its probably more around 750k

queen drift
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well you get half dont you?

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for i think it went 200/100/50

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not sure

little silo
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Yes but does every player get an equal amount?

pearl stratus
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Yeah, so second place would be 50k amongst the players.

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I'd assume almost every team would do an equal amount.

queen drift
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the players almost definitely get an equal amount

jagged crater
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we'll be right back with some more dave chapelle

pearl stratus
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Or at least I expect shock would.

little silo
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I would expect that but who knows

jagged crater
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i was just watching blase goddamn

pearl stratus
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In a Shock situation they value their bench as much as their players.

queen drift
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"$1,550,000" is prize winnings on Liquidpedia

jagged crater
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who's still on boston

little silo
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So 775k

pearl stratus
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I just can't remember if they had 10 or 11 players.

queen drift
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Shock?

little silo
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@jagged crater Chex,Axxiom, Fusions

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Im forgetting someone

jagged crater
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it's gonna be fusions and 11 cheap 50k players

queen drift
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Striker, Nevix, Smurf, Architect

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who else

little silo
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Super, Rascal, Sinatraa

pearl stratus
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Sinatraa, Super, Moth

queen drift
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no im saying bench players

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not including playoffs

jagged crater
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shock's bench players could've prob beaten titans at the grand finals

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said super (no bias)

little silo
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They had stage benches not full benches

queen drift
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i mean they pretty much did

little silo
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except for nevix

queen drift
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smurf was benched almost entire season

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only came out for orisa

jagged crater
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would've great if they just put all benches on the last game

pearl stratus
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10 players.

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And some of the time with 11.

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Because they had sleepy for part of the year.

jagged crater
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moth was the only player that started the entirety of the season right?

little silo
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super benched smurf because he was a better Rein but Super was benched in Orisa meta

queen drift
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and BabyBay

little silo
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What about Babybay

delicate yarrow
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for stage one

queen drift
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stage 2 he traded

jagged crater
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babybae

little silo
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Moth got subbed out in one map

pearl stratus
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They didn't make stage 2 with Babybay.

little silo
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thats it

jagged crater
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it was a garbage time map tho

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dont count

queen drift
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he made final tho, technically

little silo
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it was 3-0 and they did Bap Goats

queen drift
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which would go towards prize winnings

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in stage 1

jagged crater
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as much as map 4 has "some" meaning for overall record, teams dont seem to care about it in regular seasons

pearl stratus
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Right, for some reason I thought Shock sucked more in Stage 1.

queen drift
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might be thinking season 1

little silo
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They went 4-3

delicate yarrow
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They were still figuring out roster in stage one

pearl stratus
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Nah Shock had some issues in Stage 1 lol

little silo
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Yeah they were experimenting and had hard opponents early on

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Played NY and Vancouver and lost both

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also lost 2-3 to Glads

delicate yarrow
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Lost to the Gladiators too

pearl stratus
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Either way, assume they made 75k each last year in prizes.

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So any offer to pull someone away from Shock would need to compensate that.

queen drift
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75+150

little silo
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shock arent gonna let players go easily either

queen drift
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was nevix dropped yet?

little silo
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yeah

queen drift
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he'll probably get picked up

pearl stratus
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he has been

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Toronto, pending league.

queen drift
#

ooooh

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excited to see him play again

pearl stratus
#

Toronto, if rumors are all true, are building their own super team.

little silo
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was that officially announced yet

queen drift
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whats the current line up

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or speculated lineup

pearl stratus
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Kariv, Agilities, Surefour, Nevix right now.

little silo
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Roky on a 2way was announced

pearl stratus
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Are all on the rumors.

queen drift
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damn

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so they need a main support and a main tank

pearl stratus
#

LAV is going full blown Boston, and rumored to currently only be offering 50-60k contracts.

queen drift
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isnt that almost confirmed with Custa

pearl stratus
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Space rumored to LAG with OGE.

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Yeah but until things are done, they're rumored. Last time trades got leaked it ruined the trades.

queen drift
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yea

pearl stratus
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So I'd rather play it safe.

little silo
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not sure why OGE

queen drift
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who do toronto pick up for main supp/tank

little silo
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he showed some potential but still

pearl stratus
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OGE and Space play together a lot.

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So it makes sense from tha perspective.

jagged crater
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nevix can play anything, he should be high in the market rn

little silo
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Main tank for Toronto maybe FCT

jagged crater
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where flex players are a premium

queen drift
#

he probably wasnt happy on dallas

pearl stratus
#

I was going to say FCT would be a good pick up.

delicate yarrow
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Well he's better than Roar. And Roar worked out last year

pearl stratus
#

Gamsu picked up for Dallas is the rumor.

queen drift
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debatable

pearl stratus
#

For 240k/yr.

little silo
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as for main support... maybe FunnyAstro

pearl stratus
#

Dallas desperate for a team leader, and Gamsu is the best one to have.

queen drift
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nahh

pearl stratus
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Put him on any team and he stabilizes the team.

little silo
#

Also Gamsu+Note

delicate yarrow
#

What do you think will happen to AKM, Taimou and Zach?

queen drift
#

Zach will be resigned

blissful heron
#

Boston’s new guy cash considerations is a god

pearl stratus
#

They're all resigned already, iirc.

queen drift
#

is Taimou?

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thats surpriseing

little silo
#

Fanservice

queen drift
#

is taimou even fanservice by now tho

pearl stratus
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Dylan “AKM” Bignet (damage)—under contract
Won-Sik “Closer” Jung (support)—under contract
Jonathan “Harryhook” Tejedor Rua (support)—under contract
Pongphop “Mickie” Rattanasangchod (tank)—under contract
Lucas “Note” Meissner (tank)—free agent
Min-Seok “OGE” Son (tank)—under contract
Timo “Taimou” Kettunen (damage)—under contract
Ash “Trill” Powell (tank)—under contract
Benjamin “Unkoe” Chevasson (support)—under contract
Zachary “Zachareee” Lombardo (damage)—under contract

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Now, as we said before this doesn't mean they won't still be moved.

queen drift
#

wait Alarm is of age now

little silo
#

But Dallas pay bank

delicate yarrow
#

Everyone's saying Alarm to Philly

pearl stratus
#

having that money means they could also buy out contracts and drop people.

jagged crater
#

getting that sweet bench money

pearl stratus
#

Which I'd like to see them do for some dps, honestly.

karmic grotto
#

I saw Carpe talking to Alarm on his stream, don't know what they were talking about, but they talked

little silo
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Wow

queen drift
#

well he's currently on FU

pearl stratus
#

I'd see if Paris pays high for AKM or Unkoe.

queen drift
#

sop it would make sense

jagged crater
#

mickie in such a good position

pearl stratus
#

And pick up other dps.

jagged crater
#

free money

little silo
#

Mickie probably makes a fortune

pearl stratus
#

Mickie earns his money, in his own way though.

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To be fair.

little silo
#

while he is skiing in Japan

delicate yarrow
#

Doesn't Mickie play Sigma?

little silo
#

Does Mickie play

pearl stratus
#

he does, probably the best on his team honestly as Note isn't outstanding on non-D'va either.

queen drift
#

mickie plays every new tank/ish hero somewhat well for like a month

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then everyone overtakes him

pearl stratus
#

But people keep different players for different reasons.

delicate yarrow
#

I mean, if Dallas was in season playoffs, we'd have seen who the sig player is

little silo
#

Mickie is a mascot, a fan favorite

pearl stratus
#

And I could see him really helping out the team environment enough to be worth his price either way.

jagged crater
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dont see why note couldnt play sigma

little silo
#

Literally won an award for his attitude and personality in Season 1

pearl stratus
#

Note just doesn't adjust out of D'va quickly, imo.

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Some people pick stuff up quick, others slow. He seems to be the latter.

#

Also coaching matters a lot.

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And most of you know how much I despise the Dallas coaching situation.

little silo
#

most people do

delicate yarrow
#

Wanna bet that Aero isn't the OWWC US world cup coach next year?

pearl stratus
#

I'm wondering who will pick up BluHAS. I don't see him going long without another team picking him up.

queen drift
#

I could see Custa to Toronto

pearl stratus
#

Toronto or Houston is my guess, if they don't resign Bani.

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Boink is a fine sub, but I don't expect the team to leave him as main support.

delicate yarrow
#

What about Neptuno?

pearl stratus
#

Neptuno has his own PR to fix right now.

jagged crater
#

why was danteh using hydration's name anyway wth

little silo
#

Did KDG get released or am I messing things up

pearl stratus
#

Which will probably fuck him until later.

jagged crater
#

didnt even know they were close

queen drift
#

whats up with neptunos pr

delicate yarrow
#

Is it just the leak stuff?

little silo
#

apparently he's toxic

jagged crater
#

who was leaking?

#

who's camera was that

delicate yarrow
#

Sideshow

queen drift
#

sideshow

pearl stratus
#

Sideshow, setting up for their poker game.

queen drift
#

toronto could also do a big money move and yoink masaa

pearl stratus
#

And yeah the current thing is Neptuno is toxic which has cost him some tryouts apparently.

jagged crater
#

so he accidentally left it on while setting up rip

pearl stratus
#

Specifically Toronto in the video.

little silo
#

Toronto could go for korean main supports too

delicate yarrow
#

Leejaegon?

little silo
#

Every team can go for almost any player at any time dont take that serious

queen drift
#

im looking at Ark/Custa/Astro/Hyeonu/Quater/Waka/Ojee/NUS/Masaa

jagged crater
#

who's prime korean free agent from contenders right now

little silo
#

Hyeonu?

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Ojee is too young

queen drift
#

ah shit hes 16

#

ya

pearl stratus
#

I'm expecting push for Envy/ATL academy supports, honestly.

little silo
#

Undine and Leejaegon

jagged crater
#

havent paid attention but anyone from EM, runaway or o2 blast got some big chances right

little silo
#

Gen G too

jagged crater
#

those at least 18

pearl stratus
#

Fire/Crimzo are both eligible, as is FunnyAstro/Kodak - not that I think Kodak will go back up to OWL just yet.

little silo
#

O2 Blast got their chances reduced by not showing up in a new meta

jagged crater
#

i keep reading gen.g as genji even gen should be pronounced jen lmao

queen drift
#

they only want main support i think

#

cuz kariv

jagged crater
#

omg dnce

delicate yarrow
#

Is Neko going to stick with Toronto then?

pearl stratus
#

I still don't think, looking at the rest of that roster Ark fits.

jagged crater
#

i remember the days of him playing dps

pearl stratus
#

Ark is too passive.

little silo
#

Crimzo did pretty well but Fires showings didnt impress at Gauntlet

queen drift
#

He probably won't, but he's a free agent with owl experience

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only reason i could see it

jagged crater
#

wth sugarfree has 4 years before he can even be eligible jesss

queen drift
#

Custa, Masaa, Fire, FunnyAstro

jagged crater
#

in 4 years will OW even be a thing

queen drift
#

are the main candidates i think

little silo
#

isnt Sugarfree 15

pearl stratus
#

Unique will be 18 before next season, no?

queen drift
#

Birth:
December 16, 2004 (age 14)

jagged crater
#

oh loord

#

he really did play OW while in womb

pearl stratus
#

Yeah Unique will be 18 before next season of OWL.

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I don't know if having one person with little/no english is a good plan though

little silo
#

Is Unique EMs main support or was it Undine

pearl stratus
#

Unique, Undine is Lucio

little silo
#

Ah ok

pearl stratus
#

But I think that gives Unique a good chance to go to OWL.

#

Main support is definitely the most rare position right now.

delicate yarrow
#

I'd put Leejaegon ahead of Unique though.

pearl stratus
#

Unique has more chance of being a solo.

#

EM has never had issues with selling individual players.

#

Not that Runaway has to do another group move.

little silo
#

Gangnamjin and Leejaegon are more likely to be picked up as a duo

pearl stratus
#

But you have to leave it in consideration.

delicate yarrow
#

Fair

pearl stratus
#

And yeah like Lenn said.

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Tanks and Supports tend to go best in duos.

#

It just makes sense.

#

Also if anyone wants a giggle.

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Jake is streaming tank placements.

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Also side note to my side note:

little silo
#

Blase also tweeted that he wont be playing offtank

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But he will probably play it on occasion

delicate yarrow
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He plays Hog, can he play another off tank? I don't think his DVA was very good

balmy wolf
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Probs ball

pearl stratus
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Ball, Zarya and Sigma, iirc.

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But Colourhex was a WAY worse Brig.

balmy wolf
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Think of off tanks as just bigger dps

pearl stratus
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So they swapped.

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More respectable than I expected, Jakes tank is at 4300.

little silo
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Looked pretty decent in that game

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But can he maintain it

delicate yarrow
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Jake will now be the new tank for Houston lol

pearl stratus
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I used to be subbed to him for when he did vod reviews.

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His vod reviews were always -really- educational minus the fact the fucker chewed gum the entire time.

jagged crater
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think every OWL player should be able to maintain at least 4200 on tank and support

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just game sense alone should keep them high

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im actually surprised flame is still GM of houston

limber pine
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ditto

jagged crater
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just from his perspective too, he was hella stressed and burnt out too

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good to see things working out

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for now

balmy wolf
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flame has shown to be an actual respectable guy when he has the support foundation from his org

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which he didnt last season

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but he tried his best making sure outlaws did their best

jagged crater
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amidst this crazy offseason, flame manages to stay is what im so surprised about

balmy wolf
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Hell he even went after crusty for their HC but their org was offering crusty pennies

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Wonder if shock is gonna grab a flex and main support to back violet, and moth.

limber pine
raw ermine
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hmm

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good for astro

limber pine
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@pearl stratus tell me how to feel about this

balmy wolf
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i kike to discus esporst

karmic grotto
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Bruh

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Fusion gonna get that monies

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Why though

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He did good

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:(

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What about Carpe?

balmy wolf
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:c

limber pine
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No official info on carpe yet

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Just that he would have been a free agent

karmic grotto
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Also what's the deal with people posting tweets then deleting them?

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Like, for example the one about FunnyAstro

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I open link, tweet doesn't exist

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Oh

limber pine
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Halo said in the other discord that he reposted because he called him a flex support

trim shadow
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And off season keeps spiraling out of control

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Astro to philly is

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Confusing

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Is astro that proven

limber pine
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No

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But halo has a pretty good record so far this offseason

balmy wolf
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Well atl did pretty well in the gauntlet

pearl stratus
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@limber pine Weird pick up overall, might mean they're not fully willing to pull the trigger on Alarm and surround him by Koreans, which would have been a more interesting way to go. More confused that they let go of EQO who was their only real player in Season 2.

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Carpe was too busy being useless as fuck for eight months, and everyone else just seemed to tilt.

trim shadow
balmy wolf
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that' be funny as hell

raw ermine
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lmao

karmic grotto
pearl stratus
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Watching Jake play OT right now is funny either way.

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He's up to 4364

minor flame
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Yeah dude I love Fusion

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Smart fusion

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Not drop Carpe or Sado

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Just fuckin drop your best dps

raw ermine
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I am here just sweating waiting to see if TD announces receiving Agilities, Surfour, and Kariv

upper niche
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Surefour and Kariv on the same team would be 'oh snap'.

balmy wolf
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did u guys see fusion yoinked nyxl’s coach

mint flower
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pavane?

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pavane went to london, no?

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or a different coach?

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the announcement we've all been waiting for

raw ermine
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483 likes in 1 min

mint flower
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LMAO

velvet scarab
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pogu

raw ermine
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What will happen to marv3l?

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He is still good

tropic herald
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I knew Seoul would have hella bargaining power

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Yeah

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Doesn’t hurt to have 2 really good main tanks

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Considering next years schedule will be much tougher on a players mentality

upper niche
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I wonder what Seouls budget for running the team looks like.

pearl stratus
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there's a soft cap, so everyone basically has the same budget. Just a matter of exercising it.

balmy wolf
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So the only player left on London

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Is fury

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NY get on that

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there krillin

tropic herald
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Seoul is going to have a natural pull

halcyon fox
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poor london though

little silo
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did bdosin leave or why is Fury the only one left

halcyon fox
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bdosin, krillian and quatermain are still on the roster i think