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uneven wren
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hong kong is in there twice

trim shadow
limber pine
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nice

jagged crater
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carpe looks like he wants to be closer to his korean buddies

karmic grotto
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Hmmm

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2 years?

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Nice

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Stratus contracted for 2 years

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But what about Corey?

limber pine
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corey was already under contract

jagged crater
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corey in da

little silo
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Washington Justice organisation

karmic grotto
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F5 season

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:)

olive spoke
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you guys expecting any bans over the whole hongkong thing? any pros you expect to speak up about whats going on and for blizzard to fuck em over?

karmic grotto
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No

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They won't

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Or else they won't be able to play in Chinese homestead

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And get banned from China

olive spoke
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pity, if anyone should talk about its those who have that influence.

limber pine
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why

jagged crater
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is it worth risking the only kind of job you excel at for some morals?

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jayne kinda the only one from an OWL org to speak directly against blizz about it

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and the org told him to delete the tweet immediately

little silo
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who wouldnt want to risk their dream job over a tweet

brazen estuary
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weird question, will country's have team skins available for the public to get?

balmy wolf
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Never has happened before.

brazen estuary
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It would be interesting if they did FeelsCanada

pearl stratus
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Too much work for something that changes year to year.

sullen berry
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@olive spoke why

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Even the team I natively support doesn't have a ton of weight like you might think 🤔 on the gaming side of things Blizzard responded and gave the player his prize winnings

hidden vault
sullen berry
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Austria's meme game is underrated

tropic herald
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They should give us skins for countries that place Top 3

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Or just give us skins for countries that participate

sullen berry
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Since they introduced skins for finals back in 2017

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They're probably unlikely to sell the skins, but that's something I'd prefer over my own county jersey

hidden vault
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Plus we can reuse country skins every world cup:p

karmic grotto
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I need South Korea skin

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Is it really that much effort to implement it in the game if live spectator has it?

pearl stratus
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The countries jerseys aren't static though, so they'd need countries to sign off on basic color schemes for the in game skins.

hidden vault
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they would have to reuse the same colour scheme just like owl😡

pearl stratus
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Those skins cost 20+ million when you think about it though.

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To actually make? No. But the teams get them for buying into the league.

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Can't just skin everything.

hidden vault
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Do they have world cup general skins like they do in contenders then?

limber pine
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it's an spectator overlay i believe

pearl stratus
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^

trim shadow
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So 2020 the year of krillin

hidden vault
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Do we have spectator overlays for world cup then?

limber pine
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yes

hidden vault
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hmm okay

sullen berry
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Live spectator mode was great

karmic grotto
raw ermine
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oh boy oh boy oh boy!!!!!!!

limber pine
trim shadow
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uhh

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what?

tropic herald
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Uhhhhhhhh

trim shadow
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im so confused

limber pine
trim shadow
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now that one i expected

tropic herald
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Both LAs are making big changes

pearl stratus
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FCTFCTN is a good pick up for any team though

tropic herald
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He’d be good for Houston

balmy wolf
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he did play on outlaws, but was a bench boy

tropic herald
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Well I’d say he’s better than Muma now so he could get time on Houston

balmy wolf
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thats if he even wants to be on that team again

hidden vault
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Maybe mcgravy to sfs?

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And fctfctn to houston

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Wasnt fctfctn dropped cause of money issues?

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Houstons really need a tankline boster lol

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everything boster

balmy wolf
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i dont think gravy is that good but hes decent

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anyone going to shock is arguably top 10 in their role

sinful rune
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is the world cup only happening on 2 days? I remember last year I saw like 30 different world cup streams

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on different days

hidden vault
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I suppose you right and they also need someone fitting so they can slide him exactly like super smurf and the 4 dpses

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I see them going for a western off tank tho cause I would expect them to build a western half for their roster

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But I maybe wrong and they will fill the rest with koreans

scarlet pivot
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Mouffin to Shock?

balmy wolf
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?

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dude is on uprising academy

sullen berry
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Mistakes the GM

hidden vault
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I think Mouffin to shock is rather unlikely like what Odyssey said anyone going to shock will be real good

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If he managed to get into owl, I would suspect either he would be promoted into boston or picked up by toronto

balmy wolf
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All his pro play has been in OD, and being a stand-in for contenders.

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Besides rn, shock would be looking at pros from the gauntlet.

hidden vault
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Who do you think shock is looking at?

balmy wolf
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Probs at element mystic, QOQ from runaway.

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kind of hard to find someone to be your other off-tank if your current one is practically top 3 in the world

echo quest
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7th team that dropped

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Out

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Malaysia feelsbadman

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Blizzard really a small indie company

hidden vault
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Malaysia dropped out?

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Tweet?

hidden vault
karmic grotto
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yeh

raw ermine
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What was everyone's opinion of Jjonak before the start of season 1 of OWL? Did they know how good his zen was?

karmic grotto
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?

hidden vault
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No we all didn't

pearl stratus
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I mean does Malaysia even matter? People are all worrying about these countries that won't do anything :/

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Malaysia literally only made it to one world cup before this, in 2016.

limber pine
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it fits the narrative

pearl stratus
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People act like its the end of the world teams that would have never qualified anyway aren't making it.

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I wish I could be young and naive again.

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Never grow up kids.

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On the other hand at least Malaysia had a chance to attend this year, even if they didn't make it. Which they literally never would have had otherwise.

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Which is true for about 80% of the list of countries that are going.

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There's what.. almost 36 teams going to Blizzcon this year instead of 8?

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@limber pine

limber pine
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something like that

pearl stratus
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Oh wait.

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33 teams.

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33 v. 8. Not a bad change in turnout.

limber pine
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is that your doc?

pearl stratus
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No, I think its a few people who are tracking it. Thibbledork etc.

limber pine
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ah

pearl stratus
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But its up to date.

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Has Malaysia changes already.

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Out of the confirmed dropped teams I don't think any of them have made it to Blizzcon prior except Switzerland.

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Greece never even crowdfunded because ... they didn't want to? Basically.

limber pine
karmic grotto
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So he's gone

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Seems like Defiant are going to find new tanks

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Sharyk is gone too, right?

limber pine
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yah

karmic grotto
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Gods is gone too

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I will check the teams to see what they're also missing

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They have no tanks

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Who are they planning to sign?

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Or might sign

hidden vault
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Yeah you are right most country wouldn't even make it pass group stage and no need to make a hooha out of this. But seeing your country play in Overwatch world cup is pride. And it's just upsetting knowing your country wouldn't be able to go to due to lack of funding and even more so when you thought they were going.

As someone who's country barely made the funding. It is just demoralising seeing others not being able to make it and equally heartwarming to see those that made it.

Regardless, it's still sad.

limber pine
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yeah it sucks to see sponsors pull out

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is FCTFCTN the top western tank option?

hidden vault
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American or west in general?

karmic grotto
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According to some valiant news, they had problems with comms

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But he can fit in a western team

limber pine
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uh western in general

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i know most contenders/owl teams have korean main tanks

hidden vault
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Fragi? Don't know how good is he compared to fctfctn

trim shadow
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yakpung is probably going back to contenders

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but toronto is definetly moving up a entire contenders team up

little silo
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Idk how FCT and Super compare

hidden vault
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He's talking about free agents

limber pine
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should teams seriously inquire about Super's availability?

pearl stratus
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FCT is overall better than Super in terms of mechanical skill on more tanks. Whether that makes him a better teammate option is still up in the air.

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Since Super is basically a great Rein with an okay everything else, and FCT has a good everything, roughly.

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Super seems to mesh really well with his teammates, which would increase his value.

little silo
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sorry I was thinking western tanks in general

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i wonder how much of an in-game leader and shotcaller FCT is

trim shadow
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Toronto probably going full gen.g

queen drift
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Supers Winston is also good, he’s been playing Sigma a lot too

limber pine
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that was quick

little silo
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Why him

limber pine
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i mean

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unless FeFe know korean, it leads us to believe TD is going to go western

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or at least a mix

karmic grotto
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huh

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Fefe was from Paris Eternal right?

limber pine
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yeh

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just left paris today

hidden vault
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What why

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Why would he leave paris for toronto?

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This is a surprise?

limber pine
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Paris didn't want him and Toronto did?

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idk

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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
hidden vault
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I thought paris wanted to keep thing french lol

limber pine
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France's Coach for this year's OWWC is Wrath from the Rebellion

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maybe you'll see him

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or maybe Wrath will stay with the org

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The likelyhood that you'll see players like Vizility and Mistakes on TD this year is much higher now

trim shadow
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did

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toronto

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oh my god

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did they reall bring fefe from eternal

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so there going after western players

limber pine
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probably

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or at least a mixed roster (see: RoKy)

trim shadow
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but then who would be on there radar

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maybe NA contenders

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FCT and sleepy are FA

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with mcgravy

limber pine
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and players like ArK who have experience with a mixed roster

trim shadow
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toronto maybe making smart moves? WidowLUL

limber pine
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I don't think I've seen one bad move yet

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Nevix leaving is kinda a ?

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but expected

trim shadow
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i woudlve kept 37 and kept coaching him

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he has the mechanics he just needs the game sense

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id imagine florida might be in his inbox

little silo
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I dont know how capable Fefe is as a headcoach

trim shadow
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since dpi got released

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well after Daemon left paris has had average stages

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not chengdu average but

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2-5 and stuff

little silo
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maybe he can perform better this season

trim shadow
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doubt

echo quest
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Best western tracer?

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Snillo?

karmic grotto
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Zachareee

red anvil
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Soon

little silo
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Sinatraa

raw ermine
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Danteh is decent also

balmy wolf
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kind of hard to say who was the best western tracer

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soon, sinatraa, danteh, were all great tracers imo.

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For KR tracers, SBB, and striker were extremely close to each other in terms of skill

echo quest
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Top 5 tracers would be for me SBB,Striker,Profit,Carpe and Snillo imo

raw ermine
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is dafran good enough to make that list?

balmy wolf
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I mean maybe back in 2017

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every year in pro play, pros keep getting better and better

little stream
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not esprts ready

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kappa

balmy wolf
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if theres a meta in the future where tracer comes back, were gonna see some new faces beating the old ones

raw ermine
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Some are saying tracer outclasses reaper in the new meta, which could mean we see Carpe or sinatraa play it during OWWC

balmy wolf
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Maybe, but reaper has sustain which is needed for double shield fights

pseudo ice
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Hey guys

tropic herald
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That Tracer buff might’ve been just what she needed

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Small changes are generally exponential in pro play

trim shadow
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sigh

raw ermine
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:P

trim shadow
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at least daemon is jumping ship

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but fuck dallas your paying your players a high amount of cash

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mickie was apperantly snowboarding in japan during stage 2

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ya went 1-6 and 0-7 after ur bloody homestand

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dallas why cant you do what toronto is doing?

balmy wolf
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what's toronto doing?

raw ermine
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we got rid of like 3/4 of our roster, and coaches, and got a new head coach

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so far no new players

hidden vault
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Hastr0 doing some huff and puff again

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And it all turns out to be a bluff

limber pine
naive garden
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Goddamn. Was not expecting that

limber pine
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Nobody was

tropic herald
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What

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How did they convince Harsha off the Titans

trim shadow
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HARSHA NO

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god dammit

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your ruinning the balance by making houston good

hidden vault
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Now a good move

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Was thinking which american coach they would pick up

trim shadow
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technically houston has what 5 spots open on the team

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so harsha could dig deep in contenders

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and bring up actually good talent

hidden vault
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Looks like titians wants to go full korean

trim shadow
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or real estate guy put a shit ton of money in front of harsha and said welcome to the team

hidden vault
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They need to do smth about their off tanks

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And they are not really tradeable

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Unless Harsha intends to coach

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Apparently Harsha is from texas

jagged crater
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What did Harsha do on the titans

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Seemed like an odd fit for the only non-korean there

hidden vault
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Assistant coach?

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This is juicy omg

balmy wolf
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let see if this revival isn't a bottom tier t2 team again

trim shadow
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SHE WHAT

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jesus fuck revival

balmy wolf
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?

sullen berry
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Fran and aspen on support

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This team doesn't make me want to watch NA/EU contenders more, but great for them

worn falcon
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Wew

sullen berry
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Shanghai stats with playoffs would be entertaining

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Flatline, then spikes

hidden vault
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Houston stocks

icy yew
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SUPPORT HONG KONG!

echo quest
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Also 9th team to drop out of OWWC

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Peru

hidden vault
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If you had scrolled up

sullen berry
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@echo quest I only have praise for this decision. Is it going to get them anywhere? Well...

tropic herald
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They could do alright maybe

trim shadow
sullen berry
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Two out

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no replacements?

karmic grotto
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hmmm

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Interesting

sullen berry
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Just daemoN

trim shadow
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daemon was with the fuel

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he left after stage 1

sullen berry
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I can't remember how far back that move was

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he joined in stage 2 yeah

raw ermine
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Woah, harsha in houston?

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wow

sullen berry
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🅱aemon probably not regretting it

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paid more for an underwhelming roster all season

karmic grotto
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What about EM coach?

raw ermine
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Aimgod coming back?? hmm

karmic grotto
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Persia free agent

trim shadow
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hes under contract

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aimgod isnt

hidden vault
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Then maybe they will give up alemao too

sullen berry
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well this is a highlight while Element Mystic are running the closest thing to a B-team roster

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karmic grotto
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when

sullen berry
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no surprises from there. The final blow on Havana was Sparkle's rocket punch cancelling out Grav Flux to break overtime before the 2nd point

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T1W.GZA crushed Team CC, shanghai's adacemy team

limber pine
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so aimgod and alemao for boston?

hidden vault
naive garden
limber pine
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da fak

naive garden
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Was not expecting that

limber pine
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me either

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!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
naive garden
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A lot of people have been suggesting Daco to NYXL. Wonder if that will happen now

limber pine
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or a call up from Bianca

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from Academy

little silo
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contract ending means that they can still give Meko an offer though

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But very unlikely if they tweet that

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How good did Bianca actually perform? I didnt pay a lot of attention to XL2 during the Gauntlet

limber pine
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You usually don't see the team make tweets like this if there's still a chance to come back

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idk i didn't see any XL2 matches

little silo
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The matches started at 4am for me during workdays so I couldnt watch much

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I saw the Ojee beat and thats it

hidden vault
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I think the trend is that most free agents do not resign back to their team

little silo
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a lot of free agents are testing the market

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The chance that they get signed back is there. A player like Surefour who is basically the face of LAG will most likely get a pretty good offer by them so he stays

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But anything is possible

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Surefour could suddenly get a 200k offer from another team and go there you never know

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Gladiators as a whole will be fairly interesting next season

karmic grotto
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oh heck

little silo
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With new management and all

karmic grotto
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Who is going to replace meko?

little silo
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Maybe QoQ

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Maybe Bianca

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who knows

naive garden
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Atlanta should trade Daco for Pine

little silo
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Lots of talented options

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What would Atlanta gain from Pine

naive garden
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IDK, I just wanna see Pine play again 😆

little silo
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He might see some playtime with the toll that travel takes on New York

limber pine
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my point tho is that Surefour tweeted out his free agent-ness

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LAG did not

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typically if the team is the one saying it, it's less of a chance

little silo
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I know I'm just saying that the chance isn't 0

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What other upcoming offtanks do we have

naive garden
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Nevix

little silo
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Not for NY

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Korean offtanks that might be of interest to NYXL

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I can really only think of QoQ, Bianca, Hanbin

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Bernar is still floating around but will most likely get promoted by the Fusion

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Hotba maybe but idk

hidden vault
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Nah he's not up to standard

little silo
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Might be interested in Gargoyle since he performed well when he came into the League. Not sure if he is up to standard though

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Void is a free agent but not a top offtank imo

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maybe Crong

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and maybe Woohyal

hidden vault
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Nahh not Gargoyle

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He's signed with mayhem

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Most probably

little silo
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i actually checked that. He's on team option that's why I suggested him

hidden vault
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That's like 8days ago

little silo
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i thought the reddit thread was up to date

hidden vault
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The info is from the overwatch article on contract

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I assume he is because he wasn't released with the rest

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And yes the tread is up to date btw

little silo
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not confirmed to be under contract so I'll leave him as a candidate

hidden vault
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Sure

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But I don't think he is good enough for nyxl too

little silo
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showed potential, could be coached into a beast

worn falcon
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The heck, Meko out

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Man, is gonna be pretty interesting what NYXL picks

limber pine
little silo
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i wonder how much he earned in those 2 years

worn falcon
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I dont remember him at all in the game

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Was eternally benched?

limber pine
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he played Brigitte for a bit

little silo
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yeah for like 2 games

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i think he played a bit of porjectile in Season 1 but not a lot

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never stood out when compared to his past

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was once considered to be one of the best genjis in the game

karmic grotto
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The past 2 seasons

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I barely know him

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Did he even play for Outlaws?

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Feels like we have some owl players who weren't owl ready

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meanwhile Contenders full of talent that came into life in Gauntlet

little silo
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every season will have highlights and disappointments

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not everyone can be considered good

trim shadow
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Oh fuck meko is gone

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Yep hes going to seoul

karmic grotto
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And why?

echo quest
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Mek0 😦

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He’s upgrade on most teams

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I feel like he’s going to Seoul

tropic herald
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Seoul makes sense

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Any Korean roster he’d be good for

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He could also be a backup OT

echo quest
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He’s a top 5 OT

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No way in hell he’s a backup

tropic herald
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Ok I’m thinking that burn out will be much more prevalent next season

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So if a team like Shock were to pick him up

echo quest
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I agree but there’s no way someone of his caliber would be a backup

tropic herald
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They’d would always be in a good spot

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Yeah I’m just saying that it’s a possibility

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He’s probably going for Seoul

trim shadow
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Meko to vancouver WidowLUL

raw ermine
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Which off tank d you think Toronto will sign?

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Nevix?

pearl stratus
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Nevix has buying power so he's probably going to use it.

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He didn't see a lot of play with Choi, but it wasn't because he wasn't good. In fact I'd argue Nevix is part of the reason Choi is that good.

raw ermine
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Yeah

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Nevix was good, but choi was insane

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Nothing much he could have done against choi

balmy wolf
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I mean any OT player would be benched in favor in choi

echo quest
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I’m so hyped to see leave and Sparkle next year

raw ermine
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is this site broken? It says ameng had only played 38 minutes

upper niche
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I mean... the site is broken but possibly not in the way you mean 😄

balmy wolf
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meko prob going for seoul so he gets to live in korea

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smart move on his part he’s probably getting paid a lot too

raw ermine
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what about michelle?

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He is playing well

trim shadow
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Backup

hidden vault
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I imagine seoul would pick if another 6 man team

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which means they have to drop fleta

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They did a good job choosing and coaching this 6

balmy wolf
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The problem with seoul is that their only team in the league who can get any player they want. And yet they still have players like illict and highly under contract for next season.

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They could just drop the majority of the roster and make a super star team right off the bat.

trim shadow
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but does gen.g have the money to support a korean super team

balmy wolf
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Its not an issue of money, its what the players want from the team.

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Almost every team in the league can drop big bucks on players they want. It's just convincing them to join the team that's the hard part.

tropic herald
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And being based in Seoul is just a big appeal for many of the players

balmy wolf
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The fact that only 3 players from seoul are free agents is disappointing since the entire team should be free agents. Make it much easier to grab all the good players from contenders and OWL.

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Though I could understand seoul keeping marvel and Michelle, their great players.

balmy wolf
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if meko doesn’t join seoul i’ll be extremely surprised

hidden vault
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Probably not all the players

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There are some players that would stick with their teams

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It's branding

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Just like jjonak and nyxl

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Sinatraa and shock

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The former Runaway and titans

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Tho occasionally you see players like meko leaving the team

echo quest
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Only one OG LW blue member left on NYXL

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Rip

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He might go to SHD

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Miles better than Geguri and Envy

balmy wolf
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who? @echo quest

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jjonak?

echo quest
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No

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SBB

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Mano was On AF

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Pine was LW red

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Same with Nenne

hidden vault
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Mano is LW Blue

echo quest
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No he isn’t

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He joined for s4 apex

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But they dropped out in preparation for OWL

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Same thing with jjonak

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The LW blue squad was Flower SBB,Janus,Mek0,Luna and gambler

hidden vault
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Where is Luna now?

echo quest
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Retired

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They dropped him for jjonak one day before the roster deadlines for Apex

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That’s fucked up

limber pine
trim shadow
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i highly doubt rck can find another job seeing his flexbility issues

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also stellar speaks english damn

limber pine
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idk i think with Hydration playing some tank and Gator moving up to play off tank, there could be a spot for him

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but it's certainly niche at best

hidden vault
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Stellar might go tornoto?

karmic grotto
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Stellar WAS a player of Toronto

hidden vault
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Hence he might be back in tornoto

naive garden
icy dove
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anyone want to buy Overwatch trading cards from the Grand Finals? DM me if interested!

tropic herald
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What

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Is Justice going Korean or not?

little silo
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mixed apparently

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Roar can speak decent english

tropic herald
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Ok

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Didn’t know that

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Then he’d be fine, but I’d assume they will sign another OT?

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This also leaves Gladiators in a rough spot

naive garden
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Xqc to gladiators? lol

tropic herald
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I doubt he will ever go back to OWL

naive garden
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Oh, same

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I just think it would be hilarious

tropic herald
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He want even been in OD or T2 since his release lol

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Hasn’t

naive garden
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Dude is currently the most subbed channel on twitch

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I don't see him leaving anytime soon

tropic herald
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Yeah

naive garden
pearl stratus
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Things I knew Paris wouldn't do:

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Stay EU.

naive garden
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Huge if true

pearl stratus
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Don't like the Gesture move, but they may have been a package.

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I'm not going to say Gesture is overrated, but he's not meta proof and there's quite a few other T2 tanks that have proven a better/larger pool with more consistency (if lower skill on singlar ones).

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Also I'd argue with losing RHJ they need to find another solid 'leader' unless they're hoping to rely on Jecse.

trim shadow
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uh

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say sike right now

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say SIKE RIGHT NOW

naive garden
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trim shadow
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what the fuck is going on

naive garden
#

Lots of news today

trim shadow
#

hang on who is london picking up at MT if theyre releasing gesture

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ahh shit kaiser to london

jagged crater
#

stellar retiring then unretiring again

echo quest
#

Bous

raw ermine
#

Omg roar to Washington

trim shadow
#

makes 0 sense

echo quest
#

Whooyal getting promoted to Seoul

trim shadow
#

how much did they offer roar

raw ermine
#

Yeah

jagged crater
#

when did roar leave glads wtf

echo quest
#
  • Profit and gesture
jagged crater
#

i missed out on it

raw ermine
#

They just signed lullish

echo quest
#

GC BUSAN on seoul gang gang

trim shadow
#

roar had to have agreed to a big ass contract to leave LAG

#

washington is over paying againn

echo quest
#

100% whooyal is getting moved up

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To Seoul

trim shadow
#

if seoul is finalizing a trade for gesture and mano

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anything can happen with seoul

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not gesture and mano

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sorry i really want mano togo to seoul now

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gesture and profit

echo quest
#

Is the Trade to Seoul confirmed or a rumour?

trim shadow
#

per espn its a trade in the works

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not official yet

echo quest
#

Whooyal+Gesture and Profit. GC Busan beats Lunatic Hai again lul

balmy wolf
#

I would sign meko over whooyal

echo quest
#

Just shows how much Dynasty being in Seoul means for players

trim shadow
#

those signings basically say seoul is looking to get serious this year

jagged crater
#

juicy off season

limber pine
#

!!owl2020

young fractalBOT
karmic grotto
#

WHAT

#

roar joins Justice?

#

I don't understand this

#

Can someone explain me this?

little silo
#

whats the problem

karmic grotto
#

Does this means Gladiators going to promote Panker?

#

Or

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xQc ?

little silo
#

Or Stand1

karmic grotto
little silo
#

Or get one of the talented main tanks in KR contenders

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Or one of the OWL free agents

trim shadow
#

ah shit i just realized

little silo
#

maybe Gamsu

trim shadow
#

john galt was the assistant coach on LAG

#

so that mean roar followed his coach

little silo
#

and Bawlynn is the new GM for Justice

jagged crater
#

who is seoul gonna drop after picking up profit and gesture

trim shadow
#

they already lost zunba rjh and tobi

#

illict highly michelle and marvel are under contract

#

fleta is still a option

balmy wolf
#

profit to seoul holy shit

raw ermine
#

why is there so much talk about profit to seoul?

mint flower
#

because theres a report that seoul will pick up profit and gesture

trim shadow
#

espn reported seoul is finalizing a trade for gesture and profit

raw ermine
#

a trade?

trim shadow
#

money trade more then likely

raw ermine
#

for whom

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ok

trim shadow
#

yea cause zuna rjh and tobi are all FA

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zunba*

tired anvil
#

what is even going on

limber pine
#

Does this mean Jake is gone

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Hydration is better than him in every way

raw ermine
#

wtf

#

wow

#

holy S***

balmy wolf
#

I feel jake is gonna be a jersey seller

gaunt acorn
balmy wolf
#

Glads falling apart

raw ermine
#

Yeah

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They seem so good

#

I guess it costed them a lot to be good

balmy wolf
#

jake gonna warm the bench

raw ermine
#

except on temple of anubis

karmic grotto
#

HYDRATION

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Outlaws finally buying players

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After 2 years

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It was about time

minor flame
#

Sadiators

glass kettle
#

dun dun

#

Sadiators

autumn briar
#

Yo outlaws finally signed a new main tank

echo quest
#

Who?

autumn briar
#

Hydration

echo quest
#

Omegalul

autumn briar
#

Best western main tank

echo quest
#

Nice troll

autumn briar
#

Only xepher is better

echo quest
#

What about the scrim god hooreg?

autumn briar
#

He’s a dps player though

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He can’t compete with hydration’s insane main tank plays

sullen berry
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@tired anvil this is Danteh 2.0 with a better off tank pool

pearl stratus
#

@limber pine Jake won't leave, too many flex is a good thing. Too much hitscan is bad.

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Also Jake had a massively improved season this year, I'd argue the overall most improved Outlaw entirely in terms of effectiveness.

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With them having released Arhan they actually have a decent dps line, if Linkzr can get back on track.

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Danteh and Jake don't really overlap on anything major, which is nice.

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On thing they overlap there's clear betters - Jakes the better Junkrat, Danteh is the better Tracer, Jake is a better Pharah, Danteh is a better Sombra. Jake also has shown hitscan heroes in his pool.

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Unless Widow pops back into play I'd expect to see a rotation of Jake, Danteh and Hydration with Hydration occasionally taking the off-tank role if Sigma doesn't disappear as he's honestly a top 5 Sigma in the league overall.

trim shadow
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Stop trolling

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Hydration didnt goto houston

pearl stratus
#

Scroll up 😛

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Or here

trim shadow
#

Of all teams

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Of all teams hydration

pearl stratus
#

There's not a lot of options, when you look at it realistically.

trim shadow
#

I mean yea

pearl stratus
#

Western player - you assume no one is going to actively go to Dallas so rule them out unless a last resort.

trim shadow
#

Theres toronto But

#

Toronto is a mystery

pearl stratus
#

Toronto is another omega lul right now, mixed roster etc

#

Washington picked up Roar, so that drops them too - even though they already had a MT/OT.

#

So you're left with Houston, LAG, LAV (not likely), and Boston.

#

Potentially Philly too, but Philly has its own issues.

trim shadow
#

Lemme guess mcgravy is going to houston as well

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Unless mcgravy gets caught up in the huk train

pearl stratus
#

It'd be a smart pick up - they need a non-specialist off-tank.

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Coolmatt is an 'ok' D'va, nothing higher but good for the team overall. Spree doesn't seem to enjoy playing non-Zarya, but he is the better offtank.

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Muma, McGravy, Danteh/Linkzr/Jake/Hydration, Bani, Rawkus would just need another support or so.

trim shadow
#

Sleepy could end up on houston to but

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Id imagine him looking at atlanta and saying yea

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-brad is there

  • and babybay
#

Houston might actually be a decent western team since harsha is on board

pearl stratus
#

Also I'd guess with moves like this it looks like they're using money smartly, or actually have a real owner.

#

Since they're actually spending money.

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And I know Hydration didn't come cheap.

#

Houston needs to pick up a Custa-esque person in a main support.

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By which I mean a second team leader, not Custa himself. Mechanically Custa is decent, not great but his presence is what brings a lot to LAV.

trim shadow
#

Thats probably by the real estate guys leadership

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Since he should know about investing and what not

hidden vault
#

Would LAV let custa go even

trim shadow
#

A custa like person

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A leader

#

None of houston is one of those outgoing personalities

hidden vault
#

Tho there is a tease of the custa and harsha interview

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I see

lapis nacelle
#

Houston Outlaws are gonna come into season 3 strong with the new head coach harsha and now hydration.

trim shadow
balmy wolf
#

Good meme

raw ermine
#

ok good this is fake

balmy wolf
#

Look at his arms lol

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Ms paint right there

hidden vault
balmy wolf
#

Late to the party

hidden vault
#

Runner coming back!!!

balmy wolf
#

The master Lucio who got carried in apex

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Madlad right there

hidden vault
#

He's here to carry the team instead

pearl stratus
#

Quotes the wrong punishment, even though its dated today.

#

Congrats, a letter from useless people.

#

Unfortunately US senators should wear Nascar jackets with how many corporate sponsors they have. So they're not a reliable source for integrity.

tropic herald
#

Man Outlaws could hit next season hard

limber pine
#

they still have an offtank problem

#

and a main support problem

tropic herald
#

There people like Nevix they could get

#

Idk if he’s the best fit for Houston

balmy wolf
#

Nevix to paris

tropic herald
#

Okay

#

Idk

#

Houston could get McGravy

trim shadow
#

just so i can say

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aoc's opinion doesnt mean shit

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and the other 3 who signed with her

balmy wolf
#

does anyone really give a shit about congress and what they say? Not really.

trim shadow
#

but those 3 are especially big dumb

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someone in there cabnit

#

hey blizzard just unfairly silenced a gamer dude for supporting hong kong

balmy wolf
#

But its significant because the letter is bipartisan

trim shadow
#

you should probably get on this and drum up support and maybe people will take u serious

hidden vault
#

Unfortunately many people would

#

People will not think about who the senators are nor they will look at the senators names

pearl stratus
#

I know very people people who take senators seriously

#

They're shill pieces of shit, and we should bring back the guillotine for most of them.

#

They're politicians, not Americans.

#

If you ever have to remember how little they matter:

#

People have elected dead people.

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People almost elected a pedophile.

#

And not like a 'Could be named by Epstein'. But like 'Confirmed, 100%'

worn falcon
#

I'm concerned where would go Meko

#

Unless he goes to seoul or London

echo quest
#

Runner has been discharged

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Pog champ

#

Also Phatiphan is looking for an academy team

#

Wonder where he will go

karmic grotto
#

well

#

?

hidden vault
#

I'm sure he could try for boston at least

echo quest
#

@karmic grotto nobody knows but he’s easily good enough to start on any contenders team

echo quest
#

10th team to drop out

#

Poland

pearl stratus
#

Never made it to a world cup before, no loss.

raw ermine
#

I want Nevix to toronto

short sparrow
#

Nevix and Fusions to Paris :)

pearl stratus
#

Paris never allowed to have good main tanks then, eh?

balmy wolf
#

Paris goes Korean

limber pine
#

Houston will go full korean before paris does

tropic herald
#

Paris markets themselves as the mainland European team

#

I doubt we will ever see Koreans in their roster

balmy wolf
#

Picks up a KR coach

tropic herald
#

Did they?

balmy wolf
#

Yes

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They picked up ninek from shock

tropic herald
#

Oh

#

Well

balmy wolf
#

Good luck trying to be top tier as an EU team.

tropic herald
#

Just sign AvAtAr Ez Clap

hidden vault
#

half EU half Korean (with a quarter French?)

short sparrow
#

I hope they stay full EU

#

I mean roster

#

I'm cool with mixed coaches

trim shadow
raw ermine
#

oh shit

#

it is going down

balmy wolf
#

so this could mean sparkle is going to london or spark potentially

hidden vault
#

What is london even now lol

balmy wolf
#

we dont know

karmic grotto
#

But

#

Why

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Gesture and Profit, it seems like an odd combination

#

Why not Gesture and Fury then?

#

They have synergy

#

But on the other hand, Gesture and Profit have synergy

hidden vault
#

only Bdosin and fury is left

balmy wolf
#

The busan core is dead now

#

Probs want to move on as players

hidden vault
#

true they traded so many players away since season 1

echo quest
#

That and Korea

#

GC Busan going to Seoul

#

If they bring whooyal up

karmic grotto
#

If you can't beat them

#

Join them

#

If you can't beat them

#

Buy them

echo quest
#

FNC beat rng I’m extremely tilted rn. Imma be even more sad when I see Gesture and Profit on Seoul

short sparrow
#

Lowkey Esports disbanded

#

If anyone cares...

sullen berry
#

Lowkey I do

#

South America never had players who were up there with the rest

#

Or showed the kind of diverse meta you see more often in other regions.

#

Take it from the Japanese scene in Pacific, this can only mean good news

#

Makes the region more competitive if they go their separate ways

golden dagger
#

Outlaws signed Hydration 👀

#

I mean that's great but I thought they needed better supports not dps 🤔

#

Like they already have danteh who is a beast

balmy wolf
#

hydrations plays every projectile hero to a high level

#

and has good tanks as well

golden dagger
#

Yeah I know hydration is really good but I thought supports were the problem not dps

balmy wolf
#

its fine to have 4 dps

#

more like you need 3 to 4 dps coming next year

trim shadow
trim shadow
balmy wolf
#

Any tips on getting a high school to make an OW team? They already have Leauge, Smash, and Mario Kart teams, plus a gaming club, and I don't even go there until next year, but still

lyric pivot
#

Owl needs to start over. Have a draft and create better diversity for the league. Ez. Change my mind.

daring pulsar
#

dont they draft players anyways?

trim shadow
#

the draft part i support but the rest your talking about is mumble work

daring pulsar
#

like mix teams up type of draft?

severe junco
#

S4's uncertainty has me worried

#

although if he came to defiant, i wouldn't be complaining

raw ermine
#

^

severe junco
#

seriously hoping the defiant look better in 2020

#

I don't want all of my sport teams to suckj

hidden vault
#

Houstons also haven't resigned Bani

#

And Dallas Note

trim shadow
raw ermine
#

nahhhhhhhhhh man, the support position is TOTALLY fine. They have WORLD CUP LEVEL PLAYERS. LIKE RAWKUS!No adjustments AT all

trim shadow
#

You havent watched a single game of the 2019 season

#

Or i just missed ur sarcasm

raw ermine
#

the latter

tropic herald
#

Their support line isn’t terrible but they could make upgrades

balmy wolf
#

its legit terrible

trim shadow
#

friendly reminder Rawkus was bottom of the leauge in most zen stats during stage 2

swift moth
#

yikes

#

is surefour still lft or has he been re signed with the gladiators

echo quest
#

Runner is the goat scout. He invited faker (completely unknown at the time and had trouble finding teams ) to the Runner league to showcase his talent to Korea

hidden vault
#

if hydration is a B

#

how to make a projectile dps signing an A?

#

XD

short sparrow
#

You gotta get profit man

#

That's the only option xD

#

Persia not lft is awkward...

#

Who would sign him?

echo quest
#

Team Kuwait can’t go to owwc

#

Unlucky

hidden vault
#

there will be more

raw ermine
#

Can we have S4 to Defiant already?

wraith arch
#

Where do you think Nevix is going?

hidden vault
#

Paris?

#

Cause eu?

raw ermine
#

Maybe

tropic herald
#

Paris makes sense but he could go anywhere

bronze scroll
#

so, does anybody here know when we can get an actual schedule of the OWWC matches???

tropic herald
#

They happen during BlizzCon

#

So it should happen soon

bronze scroll
#

but the preliminaries are the days before BlizzCon. So shouldn't the schedule for those already be up on the website?

tropic herald
#

Idk

#

They still have to see which countries are actually showing up

jagged crater
#

nevix is nutty

limber pine
pearl stratus
#

The prelims aren't even being streamed iirc.

#

They're doing multiple games at once to figure out the 2-3 teams that will be streamed.

#

And since its like.. 30 countries with 0-5% chance, and 8-10 countries with a chance its not really something to care too much about

trim shadow
#

Yea if shaz came back so did goose

jagged crater
#

cant break up shaz and goose

#

CANT DO IT

#

also goose needs to stream goose game

bronze scroll
#

@pearl stratus prelims are streamed

balmy wolf
#

lol holy crap sideshow messed up hard

#

https://thegamehaus.com/overwatch/sources-confirm-the-legitimacy-of-video-involving-sideshow-neptuno-and-custa-leaking-several-owl-signings-and-releases/2019/10/20/

The Game Haus
Sources Confirm the Legitimacy of Video Involving Sideshow, Neptun...

League sources have confirmed the legitimacy of several OWL player acquisitions and releases that were mentioned in a video accidentally taken of Josh “Sideshow” Wilkinson, Scott “Custa” Kennedy and Alberto “neptuNo” González. The 2-minute video reveals several b...

raw ermine
#

WE SIGNED AGILITIES MAYBE?

#

CANADIAN DREAM MAYBE ALIVE

#

AND S4

#

THIS IS POSSIBLY HYPE

#

kariv is also possible great

#

Will Sideshow and them get punished serverly?

balmy wolf
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

raw ermine
#

I love how Gamsu's name is youngjin

#

And even better, youngjin's name is:

#

Yong-jin "Youngjin" jin

pearl stratus
#

Well with that video being a thing maybe Custa will end up in Houston lol.

hidden vault
#

Why houston?

pearl stratus
#

Not many other teams need a main support quite as badly.

raw ermine
#

they just signed boink

#

again

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, having a back up isn't bad.

#

Not surprised at Gamsu getting upwards of 200k.

#

The price of leadership is high.

hidden vault
#

Would he want to go to dallas?

balmy wolf
#

either doesnt want to move to china, wants to stay in the US. note is his former teammate

#

also big salary

hidden vault
#

And why did sideshow turned back lol

#

Only if he hadnt

upper niche
#

'oops'. Also sounds from that video like Custa isn't staying with Valiant - and I would have kinda guessed that from his streams lately anyway.

#

I actually kinda get the impression just from his behavior and things he's said he's looking at options outside of Overwatch. Like... that he'll stay if there's an offer, but 'meh' kinda thing, just seems that way.

trim shadow
#

So i guess sideshow isnt coming back for 2020?

#

why is valiant trying to be the new boston

#

also HA I KNEW S4 WAS GOING TO TORONTO

pearl stratus
#

I mean if LAV is trying to keep everyone in the 50-60k range

#

I understand no one wanting to stay.

#

Since the 'average' for this year was 80k+.

#

So most people staying is a pay cut most likely.

trim shadow
#

but due to location of los angeles

#

a 50k-60k salary isnt gonna cut it living wise

#

los angeles is the 2nd most expensive city out of all the teams

#

unless valiant is gonna house the players for the first half of season

hidden vault
#

Bilzzard wouldn't fire him cause of that at most a fine and also maybe along with a lesser fine for cutsa and neptuno

#

And they are housing the players i

gaunt acorn
#

sideshow will almost certainly return for 2020

#

calm down

trim shadow
#

well it depends..it looked like sideshows stream started and he didnt know

#

it happens

#

alot

hidden vault
#

Also 50k-60k per year? Or per month?

gaunt acorn
#

per year

trim shadow
#

and it looked like they were setting up for a stream anyway

#

neptuno's stock might go down cause of the leak but i think hell still end up on a team

#

maybe paris

#

im suprised custa didnt jump at the oppurtunity togo back to dallas with jayne and aero and told valiant to trade him

#

he probably likes shit angeles then

hidden vault
#

Jayne and areo wasn't in dallas season 1

#

When custa was there

trim shadow
#

didnt aero come like mid season before custa got traded tho?

hidden vault
#

Nope

#

S4

trim shadow
#

and i know jayne wasnt there

#

but i know him and custa have met

hidden vault
#

Hmm

balmy wolf
#

Closer was too expensive to trade for custa if you didn't watch the video.

trim shadow
#

the videos hard to hear

#

but i read the article

balmy wolf
#

Space is getting paided the big bucks

trim shadow
#

i honestly like the space to gladiators move

#

so why did mcgravy leave then im gonna assume he didnt know

hidden vault
#

I feel like custa's options are
Dallas: if they managed to trade closer
Houston: they need an english speaking main support + shot caller
Toronto: with agilities and kariv, might pick up a korean or Canadian main support instead
Washington: currently had not resigned any main support
Altanta: Possible but unlikely?
Philadelphia: more likely than Atlanta
San Francisco: not sure if he is as good as moth but SFS probably wants a korean main support instead
Los Angeles Glad: with space? Possible?
Los Angeles Val: last option is to take a pay cut

#

I didn't know LAG had the money lol

#

I thought they just split from sentinels and woukd be running low on funds

#

I imagine mcgravy leaving cause valiant didn't want him

trim shadow
#

this is a pretty reasonable explanation for custas options

#

but Custa will be competeing with Masaa

#

and masaa is slightly better then custa

#

and i believe san fran resigned all there players

#

so he might land on toronto washington philly or gladiators

hidden vault
#

Not houston?

#

The thing is

#

Most teams need a decent back up next year

trim shadow
pearl stratus
#

Masaa vs. Custa isn't a fair comparison.

#

Because Masaa doesn't have any leadership quality.

#

There's a reason Gamsu is getting the money he's getting, and its not all for his skill.

trim shadow
#

i guess when you really dig deep you rather have someone to lead the team then just mechnical skill

#

which is probably why boston is keeping fusions

hidden vault
#

Are they picking up english players too?

karmic grotto
#

Yes, me /s

echo quest
#

Mighty AOD in owl would be title contenders if they could get another off tank

echo quest
#

Mighty AOD
Tanks: Fate, Archane
Dps : Erster,Diem
Support: Kariv and Anamo
Archane is now the head coach of Talon Esports the best team in Pacific Contenders

median valve
#

Los Angeles Geese looking good

trim shadow
#

just realized oge went to the gladiators not the valiant

#

but roar and oge are basically the same

ruby parrot
#

how many people would be interested in participating in an overwatch tournament for lower tier players? each rank would have their own title. probably starting with Gold since it's the most common. your thoughts?

hidden vault
#

Why do you see oge and roar the same

#

But I assume if they give roar up

#

They are not going to keep decay

trim shadow
#

nah id imagine gladiators are mirroring valiant in cutting cost instead of try to keep a super team

#

which is why if they signed oge who is a middle of the road Main tank

#

that gives us insight into what theyre other signings could look like

#

shaz and goose are middle to top tier and oge is a mid tier

#

sideshow said that london probably kickedoff thi cutting cost thing since london put there players up for trading and apperantly like 5-6 teams were willing to make super teams then all of a sudden they drew back offers and now are looking to cut budgets

#

toronto is technically into super team territory with agilities surefour AND kariv under contract

karmic grotto
#

The **** < much better

#

Pavane to Spitfire

trim shadow
#

i wonder how much london offered pavane to take a assitant position instead of headcoach

#

new york mustve dropped him [which is what the reign discord thinks]

limber pine
#

sure picking up a long of korean coaches if they aren't going korean

#

*staying korean

pearl stratus
#

Toronto also picked up Nevix, so Defiant should be interesting if nothing else.

trim shadow
#

wonder if london is going for Element mystic

#

since profit is apperantly going to seoul

#

and a rumor is birdring is going to washington

limber pine
#

Defiant reportedly getting Surefour, Agilites, Kariv and now Nevix

#

?

#

that's quite a team

trim shadow
#

toronto grand finals 2020 anyone?

#

i think mangachu is going back to toronto so

#

jesus fuck

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just horde all the western talent then toronto

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No reason to keep Mangachu if you have Agilities.

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Toronto looking like a playoffs team

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if toronto signs a solid MS like maybe custa

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I wouldn't be surprised if Mangachu and Ivy both get released.

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then yea id give them a pre season top 5

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And Toronto is power spending, judging by the article.

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Houston and Toronto were both going for Nevix it looks like.

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i guess i doubted how much spending power toronto had

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Guessing Houston might go for McGravy with Nevix out of contention.

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Or Gods.

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Gods might fit more..

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If Dallas does get Gamsu as per leaks I assume they resign Note then.

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Since Gamsu + Note is proven.

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id imagine gods mightve left for houston already

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mcgravy to dallas ill accept that

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Toronto might get nevix? this is literally my dream

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I thought he should come here.

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This Is great

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If it happens

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The 3 Canadians might have synergy so they might keep mangachu

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Still going to be all about the coach though.

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As we saw with LAV and LAG all the talent in the world doesn't mean shit if you don't coach em to a win.

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And Fefe is a hard sell for me as head coach.

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True

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oh shit fefe is HC i believe so

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He is

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and fefe didnt really do anything at paris

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Eh he picked up the reins decently.

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As Paris went through coaches like candy.

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But its like Harsha, its a prove your worth moment.

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yea thats a fair to prove it

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all i dont believe fefe will know what todo with all the talent he is recieving from the org

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cause he had soon and sdb and they were arguably some of the best western dps during apex days even tho that was in the past

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Wait what where was the nevix to toronto news?

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I was expecting nexiv to Paris

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And toronto to pick up either mouffin or note tbh

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It came out of the leaks from yesterday:

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Wonder how NYXL is gonna fare without Pavane

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Judging by the fact he took an assistant coaching spot

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It sounds like they were going to remove him either way.

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i believe new york was just fed up with pavane being top tier but not actually bringing the grand final home

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Why is roky under team option? Wasn't he picked up?

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Roky is on a 2way

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Houston still has McGravy and Bischu as options

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Why would houstons pick bischu?

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And Houston already has 2 signed off tanks

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What main tank would toronto get?

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fct would be a good fit