if ya got link provable evidence witness testimony then ill take your word for it
#esports-discussion
limber pine
We are veering away from #esports-discussion
pearl stratus
Houston did post about something coming together today btw.
Then today Nevix gets released.
Nevix and Danteh back together?
That'd honestly fill a giant weakness in their roster.
trim shadow
god dammit bringing houston back out of meme ville will ruin the balance 
balmy wolf
Looks like choi is gonna be the only OT in shock for good
pearl stratus
Honestly Houston should have only been out of memeville for S1 ending and the tracer issues.
balmy wolf
At least the Pacific travel schedule is lenient for the most part
pearl stratus
I respect their S2 - how many other teams could operate with no money, nearly no coaches, no staff.
trim shadow
honestly nevix would be a perfect fit for paris
bringing back sdb and Soon
picking up neptuno
trim shadow
think benbest is the one under contract
balmy wolf
Cloudy and benbest are the MT
trim shadow
and cloudy is a option
but honestly dont bring back cloudy lol
if ur gonna bring back cloudy you need better coaches
balmy wolf
Benbest is a rein 1 trick
Outlaws actually look decent with nevix on tank
Also the gauntlet has been pog
trim shadow
but outlaws still have rawkus and both of there MT's under contract
pearl stratus
Nevix to Houston would give them a few -really- flexible people.
Also Jake remembering how to play OW in S2 gives them actual dps.
Just need linkzr to remember how to click peoples heads.
balmy wolf
Muma is the only MT
pearl stratus
Yeah I'm talking more Jake/Danteh/Nevix.
trim shadow
but will houston have the money to even shove out for nevix?..considering they should be under new management..or like org its just some rich real estate guy so i dont know how there org will work
pearl stratus
But I've still never seen an official thing.
Less if you own an OWL team.
A good chunk less, apparently.
trim shadow
from the leaks and shit or what people say orgs are renting a franchise
which..doesnt make sense but ok..
but the high entry price kept alot of the well known Clubs like Liquid and Nip fnatic out of the leauge
balmy wolf
Blizz has the power to take back the org and run it if they want too
trim shadow
suprise blizz didnt run houston..or they did?..i dont remember i already forgot most of the season
pearl stratus
They did for abit, but running doesn't mean changing anything.
balmy wolf
Just keeping it afloat
pearl stratus
Flame apparently did a TON of fund raising just on his own to manage things.
Hence why we got like.. the HEB deal etc.
Since a local grocery chain isn't exactly a huge sponsor.
But it gave them something.
trim shadow
id expect houston to get most of the texas sponsors
pearl stratus
He's got foot in mouth disease, but honestly it seems like the dudes heart is really in it
trim shadow
just because...dallas fuel is litterally the dallas cowboys
pearl stratus
Houston has the looks, but Dallas has the history.
balmy wolf
Also he wanted crusty but the org at the time was offering him pennies
trim shadow
houston could get 7 eleven as a sponsor
pearl stratus
Imagine if Houston suddenly drops crazy money and picks up Nevix -and- Surefour.
trim shadow
borden milk products they could actually get a sponsorship if they talk correctly
balmy wolf
Boom flex dps rn
pearl stratus
Can't really drop Linkzr, he's under full contract.
balmy wolf
Rip
pearl stratus
But having multiple flex dps is never bad.
trim shadow
wait at@t is based in texas this is a revelation
pearl stratus
Just having multiple hitscan.
balmy wolf
Works for shock
pearl stratus
Looking at you NYXL.
pearl stratus
T-mobile got in first, I believe.
So it would depend on when that sponsorship ends
For both teams.
pearl stratus
Yeah, like I said they did work to get sponsors themselves.
Huge respect, but I agree with Oddy.
Flame looks like he's dead.
balmy wolf
Also im dumb I thought violet was #1 on support but it was actually violet the brig 1 trick
I forget violet has a 2 in the name
trim shadow
im suprised flame is still going
id imagine season 2 was extremely long for him
if he does stay i think they might up his pay
pearl stratus
@limber pine Did you tell a small child to grow up for the boycott post, you don't want to see more people sacrifice their careers?
Cause Kibler doesn't have one anymore 😉
pearl stratus
It's a childs anger, not an adults thought process.
It's the old 'silence implies consent' argument, which has never worked.
And I am, back and forth. It's why I hate reddit COW so much. I've read it, lol. 95% the stupidity of the masses, 5% things I care about.
trim shadow
oh fuck directv is based in texas
thats a pretty spicy sponsor would actually look good on a dallas jerse
jersey*
trim shadow
oh shit right and my mother works for at@t how the fuck did i forget they merged
tall scroll
Shut up
minor river
no u
raw ermine
Yay roky is staying on TD
tropic herald
Nevix would be such a good pickup for teams like Dallas or Houston
raw ermine
also toronto
balmy wolf
any good player going to dallas is gonna regret like the rest before them
effect, rascal, seagull.
They either use them wrong or not use them at all.
trim shadow
Any good player going to dallas is gonna get there career yeeted
Following that boston method
balmy wolf
seeing s1 dallas was actually sad
they could've made a top 5 dps duo with effect and rascal
oh well, at least rascal move on and won a god damn championship
trim shadow
Damn shane 3-3 and zach getting favortism forced effect out
And then all the shit he was dealing with
Along with his mental health fading
balmy wolf
Is lge huya really gonna lose again in a international tournament?
hidden vault
I rather keep effect over zach
Not saying zach was worse but
Nvm he's gone anyways
hidden vault
severe junco
i'm super sad
sharyk and aid gone as well as gods
god fuckin damn it i was enjoying sharyk and gods
aid was pretty good too
severe junco
1 tank, 2 dps 2 support
hidden vault
Should they really have traded Envy?
severe junco
yeah
severe junco
oh yeah
hidden vault
I hope they are able to snatch Stellar back tho
severe junco
i forget we had 4 dps not 3
so, we've lost 2 tanks, one of our dps and one of our supports
roky's a 2 way player now too
honestly if we pick up a support, NeptuNo's got history with Logix
hidden vault
I argue they should go Canadian
Pick up Bani and Mouffin
That should suffice for canadian fan base
severe junco
that would work too
hidden vault
Then add which ever player works for them
Maybe add a Canadian Coach too
But right now I can't think of anyone cheap
The only Canadian Coaches I could think off is Jayne and Tikatee
Hmm they could get Crimzo too
sullen berry
crimzo would be considered to bring up from team envy 
severe junco
I don't think Jayne wants to do coaching outside of worldcup
it'd be far too stressful for him
crimzo thooo
sullen berry
well it's either relatively good timing, or it's been haunting him since aero's peak with the fuel roster
severe junco
didn't he say he was easing back on his coaching roles in the fuel?
same stream where he announced his engagement and his bipolar I swear he mentioned he was easing up his coaching roles
that might've been elohell i'm thinking of
sullen berry
mmm not sure
his youtube content is fairing pretty well, given most of that he can do more of
like wizardhyeong during offseason
hidden vault
Also depends if Crimzo actually wants to be in the dumpster fire
The only person they ever promoted is trill
sullen berry
doesn't imply that they stop at their wrecking ball main
they want to sustain their academy team as a cheaper option rather than depending on signing players and player trades
sick quiver
Are all of the gauntlet matches being streamed
sullen berry
yes.
limber pine
Twitter
trim shadow
god...fuck seoul
the only thing carry seoul fan wise is the fact they are the pride of korea until blizzard wants a 2nd korean team
tawny sigil
is that what they are refered as "gauntlet matches"
did they finally update the OWWC website
guess not
OWWC always feels so rushed
so are they not doing matches for each countries to determine all the 2 teams for each region this year?
hidden vault
I swear if they reverse the roles again !!!
But that's not possible lol
They is no two way contract for dogman
karmic grotto
If his contract ends
He can just play for ATL Academy
Then being promoted back to main roster
limber pine
worn falcon
oh boy, tobi out, jehong out
limber pine
zunba too apparently
worn falcon
Move them to Mayhem
balmy wolf
I wonder... I think the league will have some serious issues if blizzard doesn't make up their minds towards the Hongkong thing...
Roster changes will just be a smaller part 😂
glass kettle
(seoul fan btw... unlesss?)
limber pine
Twitter
glass kettle
jesus
glass kettle
f5 season is supposed to be fun
trim shadow
jehong tobi and zunba
glass kettle
yeah seriously wtf
trim shadow
after seeing tobi and jehong crying that hard thats really gonna hurt your fanbase
hidden vault
Will they resign fleta?
trim shadow
fleta definetly isnt staying if hes og teamates that hes bonded with arent staying
trim shadow
likely but..id assume fleta is asking for large amounts of money
who knows what gen.g is willing to pay
hidden vault
Lol why would fleta ask for large sums
He is a good player but he's been passed over for seoul's dps duo
Unlikely that his stocks are high
rancid sorrel
Did y'all see Effect's retirement message?
limber pine
from April?
🔫
limber pine
rip
balmy wolf
RIP lunatic hai, never were the most dominant team out there, but sure as hell left a legacy.
trim shadow
mega depressin
trim shadow
i think the seasons over for the winter
limber pine
is there an actual link to a news article
trim shadow
theres some from polygon i think thats related to this issue but dont trust polygon
balmy wolf
oh that thing, yea there are some articles about match fixing involving a AUS contender team
know we really dont know which team it is
limber pine
on which site?
limber pine
oh
pearl stratus
New favorite, someone posted a link to an article about the blizzard stock drop / OWL stuff, and the final line says 'This should be temporary as Twitter and people move onto the next crisis"
limber pine
i don't even know how to get to the gauntlet sechedule
pearl stratus
I believe the OWL API shows local times
tropic herald
That looks local
pearl stratus
If I'm not mistaken.
limber pine
oh i'm an idiot
tropic herald
Wait Adriel what’s your time zone?
karmic grotto
+1 Amsterdam
tropic herald
It wouldn’t make sense for them to be in US times anyway
As they take place in Korea
karmic grotto
Oh well, if it's local then the timing is kinda bad because I have class, but the class itself isn't that important though cause I had it last year, so I'll be watching it live in class :D
oh booooooi, I'm so excited for this, for my ATL team
trim shadow
might actually be entertainning then whatever group B was yesterday
karmic grotto
tawny sigil
can anyone fill me in on OWWC
sullen berry
Sounds like you've got some catching up to do. Check out the megathread of teams who will be going to blizzcon
This year the top 10 countries get expenses paid to the event
While every other country will have to pay for their own travel to the event and get some accommodation covered if they are participating
balmy wolf
HK got their funding secured recently to attend
balmy wolf
they actually got a bit of extra cash from the gofund me page
Wait so all matches at the WC will happen at blizzcon right?
sullen berry
That's the idea, group stages should be single elimination at blizzcon
pearl stratus
@limber pine Sado under contract lol
balmy wolf
oof
balmy wolf
well maybe sado will be bench boy and they will pick up another MT
who am I kidding, they barely do fuck all in terms of roster changes
limber pine
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limber pine
People are saying it’s an error
Eqo and Neptuno are team options now
Instead of free agents
limber pine
He was a free agent on the original article
trim shadow
must mean whoever they were negioating with didnt fall through and they revisited sado eqo and neptuno
hidden vault
Roster information in this article is current as of Oct. 10 at 12 p.m.
They are updating it
hidden vault
Wait ark and sleepy are released didn't they say they could still sign with Washington?
Also if johngalt signed with Washington
Is he considered released?
balmy wolf
Their free agents rn, their seeing if they can get a better offer and if they like the offer. They might use that for leverage on WJ for bigger salary and resign.
johngalt is no longer with the glads anymore.
little silo
Gido is also a free agent now
echo quest
Sparkle is fucking absurd
karmic grotto
KR why so quiet now?
forest raven
2-2?
karmic grotto
They won
ATL not good with this meta though
And bruh
Sombra is terrible hero to shutdown abilities, but if it works, it works
forest raven
Once again Korea outplays on koth
echo quest
Blizz so cheap can’t pay for the all the teams in OWWC
karmic grotto
Meanwhile
hidden vault
Lol I rather they use the money for better stuff
Many of the countries are capable of self sponsorship
ESPECIALLY the top 10
karmic grotto
We DoN't AcCePt FrEe SPEECH BeCaUsE wE WaNt ChInEsE mOnEy
and we use that money for our own instead of giving it to owwc participants
♿
severe junco
they said they'll pay for the top 10 teams
the others are on their own
that was made very apparent from the getgo
i still don't know why countries don't host Summit style goals
give us X money, we'll do X thing
e.g. we'll host a showmatch with another team under weird rules or whatever
i'd pay to see owwc teams play no limits or mystery heroes in a showmatch
balmy wolf
Well. Who knows how everything goes on further.
Maybe soon they have to beg in China to pay owl/wc prize money.
When you wake up and realize you legit damaged your own brand more by yourself than any other person could
severe junco
you'd think
with how the NBA received backlash
that blizzard would've gone
"you know what? let's not piss off our entire western fanbase."
balmy wolf
It's not only the western fanbase.
It was just the wrong stand to make in this matter...
And if they keep shutting down own personnel and participants that whole thing will easily snowball them against the wall
hidden vault
I believe he could have not use bilzzard as a platform to express his views
He basically achieved nth
balmy wolf
Then he wouldn't have a platform
That's why he did it on stream
Probs knew shit would blow up once he did it
karmic grotto
So here a thing, let's say you run Hackfist, how do you even counter that?
hidden vault
He did it during the tourney didn't he? With the TW caster?
balmy wolf
Yea
You can find clips of it everywhere
Hackfist gets shutdown if you dont enable the sombra to get charge
However hackfist is how EM won contenders korea in the beginning of 2019
Really no way any team could beat them if they pulled it out. Even in a mirror you couldn't beat them.
echo quest
@severe junco the nba also told China to fuck off afterwards
karmic grotto
So the thing to beat Hackfist, is to come with a comp that counters it
Or a completely new hero
Like for real, how can you even counter a comp that nobody except EM plays well
You have nobody to scrim against
Then, theory crafting might work
Then the variable comes in play
What dps can counter Sombra?
echo quest
Just be better
karmic grotto
But how if you can't scrim against it
Now, I am really in wait for Runaway, how they will counter that comp
I will learn from it
A question, could you, in theory, vs hackfist, play Hanzo?
hidden vault
I can see shock running hackerfist with sinatraa and rascal lol
karmic grotto
yes but
Doomfist won't be as good with new patch
Like, the changes coming and nerfs, how will you still use Doomfist if punch doesn't charge 1 sec?
hidden vault
You probably need your own sombra or someone who can deal high damage even after being hacked like reaper
karmic grotto
Either new dps hero, new tank, or new support to counter Sombra
But something needs to be made
Like, one hacked ability
for pros they used it effectively to win the team fight within seconds
raw ermine
for some reason, I thought the justice didn't have stratus till stage 4 or something
naive garden
He turned 18 in February
raw ermine
I was just watching videos of stage 1 of this year, and he was playing as brig
I just didn't notice
limber pine
Twitter
limber pine
sleepy is LFT
Their only known contracted players are corey, ellivote and lullsish
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limber pine
Even Stratus is unknown ATM
karmic grotto
But Stratus did good when new meta came? This is very disappointing but if this is what they decide, then so be it. They sure need support and dps
limber pine
Stratus was good yah
pearl stratus
Stratus did good in a meta with weird hero requirements he happened to fill well.
So he's still kind of an unknown.
trim shadow
wait is that gido that got his option rejected?
who the hell could washington be trying to put at there support spots then?
limber pine
Kellex
or they re-sign somebody like sleepy
or they go after another free agent like neptuno or Kruise
raw ermine
why?
limber pine
health reasons
limber pine
it doesn't say
lost mantle
Probably something mentally, V common in eSports
pearl stratus
That's a long timeline for a mental - I would actually bet hand or wrist injury.
Since we have a bit till Blizzcon
trim shadow
limber pine
yeah officially official now
hidden vault
Not if they still have sado lol
Twitter
Is Mark Kern still working with bilzzard?
limber pine
no
worn falcon
he is not
pearl stratus
No, Kern hasn't mattered since 2014. He left Blizzard, founded a studio and was so shit at his job he was voted out of his job.
Kern also blames losing his job on China, always had. He's a dumpster human and a giant piece of shit.
So its a biased protest.
karmic grotto
pearl stratus
I don't trust any company that says things before its happened.
In that specific scenario he's assuming, whether correctly or not we have no clue, his own company wouldn't just fire him.
Which also requires knowledge of if there's a board, etc.
A majority shareholder can be fired and removed (lmao it happened to Kern) if a majority vote for it.
Right now both Epic and Riot have had no issues, so this is just good PR spin till its put to the test.
For instance Riot is literally 100% owned by Tencent.
So them saying they won't censor anyone? Suuuuuuuuuuuper unlikely.
You have to remember being on the other side of a PR issue is people who will play the issue for better PR regardless of actualities.
hidden vault
I think most coaches are waiting for the Gauntlet to end so confirm any roster moves from contenders
Which probably affects the free agent signings and resignings
So mainly releases now
tropic herald
Sp9rkle is very likely coming to OWL
trim shadow
Hes the hottest dps in contenders so
Hes either being brought up with his team
Or hes being brought up
tropic herald
The thing is there no new OwL teams so the likely hood of a whole team being brought up from Contenders is very low
tropic herald
That sounds stressful
trim shadow
So yea dpei your out
Oh sorry my bad we lied Heres a large sum of cash come@on bacd
Back*
little silo
dpei said he's with Glads but can look for new opportunities
trim shadow
This just happened but
Riot games instructed casters and players not to discuss sensitive issues
Another Company with feet in china hops on the train
pearl stratus
While its not technically e-sports just a reminder that Seagull, Jake, Custa, etc are all playing OW for Tip of the Hat right now:
Always a super worthwhile thing to support.
@trim shadow Riot is 100% owned by Tencent. Not sure why people are confused by this. They just kept the US staff.
trim shadow
This was known
pearl stratus
Also unsure why poeple are expecting other people to sacrifice everything while they do little to nothing real.
trim shadow
Thats why i said feet in china
Honestly shouldve said boots in china
Cause tencent owns a percantage of every us gaming company last i checked
pearl stratus
Bren and Sideshow are hilariously psuedocasting
balmy wolf
wonder if sleepy got picked up if he left the team entirely
limber pine
Flex support not a very in demand position
He may be down in contenders this year
Or on somebody’s bench
hidden vault
More likely to think he found a team instead
If not he wouldn't have left justice
Also did justice thank sansan twice? Lol
trim shadow
Sleepy is 100% going to atlanta
raw ermine
what about dogman?
trim shadow
Id assume sleepy will@either be the backup
Or outperform Dog in scrims
Babybay is on the team still
Or is a option for my boys in red
Add sleepy and just improve and this time dont cuck it in playoffs
Oh and i guess we can put someone cheap behind erster
Like im37 50k min cheap
hidden vault
I agree that sleepy should go to Atlanta because he fits the culture
Not only there's babybay but there's brad
However, they have kodak to consider as well
quick slate
gaunt acorn
@quick slate https://i.imgur.com/ZPHUeX1.png
balmy wolf
hoping talon makes a loser finals run
hidden vault
Why tho?
echo quest
patiphan is only 16 smh
sullen berry
Runaway or Element Mystic?
hidden vault
Runaway~
karmic grotto
EM
sullen berry
If I had to, been leaning on the EM this year
karmic grotto
I like their Hackfist
sullen berry
Sparkle has been their X Factor
Gen G couldn't have been more clutch without bliss
while Talon last match has godora to thank for some exceptional sigma plays
echo quest
sparkle is so fucking good
echo quest
Shutout 100% damn
sullen berry
Shut the door on Lijiang garden
karmic grotto
Yaki lmao
twilit ridge
lmao
echo quest
3 minutes goddamn
echo quest
Xzi Eqo and Sparkle would be a lit dps lineup for philly
karmic grotto
They have money
And Carpe, pls no Carpe anymore
Fusion needs to level up now
Getting new talent
echo quest
RUNAWAY FIGHTING
karmic grotto
nice
karmic grotto
LMAO
sullen berry
Insane Yaki
echo quest
And In EM tradition they will stomp the next map
karmic grotto
_>
echo quest
ez ez
little silo
heesu has been tactical crouching quite a bit
echo quest
ez
karmic grotto
ATL vs EM
forest raven
EM win?
karmic grotto
rematch
forest raven
Yeet
karmic grotto
Atlanta can win
They can
But...
They have to play through 2 KR teams
Runaway isn't easy
GenG is easier
echo quest
Sparkle and Doha go into another gear during the clutch
Holy fuck runaway can fight tho
balmy wolf
Atl aint gonna win in a doom/reaper mirror matchup
echo quest
the team does not crack
karmic grotto
And look at that
forest raven
So both the Chinese and EU team went 0-6
little silo
yup
forest raven
Pepelaugh
balmy wolf
Sinatraa was already a monster doom on his own
echo quest
china only had one team so
karmic grotto
Maybe EM gave ATL the treatment?
echo quest
NA had 4 which is bullshit
little silo
idk about that one
karmic grotto
Then NA can finally say they beat KR team
balmy wolf
too bad korea only had 3 spots
balmy wolf
NA has 2 regions, east and west
echo quest
Korea has better teams so who cares
forest raven
Double the chance to show how pepega they are
balmy wolf
and also they did well in the Atlantic showdown so they earned an extra spot
unlike the EU
who shit the bed again like last time
forest raven
Eagle Gaming would school all these teams
karmic grotto
Angry Titans, British Hurricanes
forest raven
tbh
echo quest
I mean didnt korea win the pacific showdown?
karmic grotto
THEY ARENT IN GAUNTLET
forest raven
EU best region pepelaugh
karmic grotto
yet they were second
balmy wolf
3rd
karmic grotto
oh
balmy wolf
they lost in the semis
karmic grotto
:(
balmy wolf
ironically in a reverse sweep
echo quest
Xzi,Eqo and Sparkle would be a pog lineup
forest raven
Too bad sparkle still pepo
balmy wolf
Lets see if EM win the tournament, then I would rate them top 6 in OWL for this meta only.
sullen berry
This "meta" makes sense I guess
Dive mashup of GC Busan/KDP
Peak GOATs and weren't too terrible at everything else
karmic grotto
sullen berry
Role locked and loaded before Sigma arrived
hidden vault
I think Xzi Sparkle would go to seoul
Philly is a shit show
Or someone coould pick up Xzi Sparkle Doha
Nice trio
balmy wolf
xzi and sparkle can't happen due to seoul already resigning 2 dps and having fleta on a team option
hidden vault
If they drop fleta
karmic grotto
^
balmy wolf
Only took another 3 years after envyus won apex
karmic grotto
What time does Gauntlet finals start?
limber pine
11 PM est
Idk what time zone you’re in though
Sry that’s losers Finals
Actual finals is 2 AM est
tawny sigil
im so confused ... i keep asking
WTF IS GOING ON WITH OWWC
nobody answers, the site hasnt been updated since last year
are the region matches not happening this year?
raw ermine
OWWC isn't for a while I think
trim shadow
its next month
blizz con
i think its after november 15th which is when all owl rosters are finalized
little silo
there are no LAN qualifiers like last year only Blizzcon
raw ermine
They brought the top 10 last year back, guaranteed
raw ermine
well, they did
they players didn't change that much
Canada has the exact same roster
SK could literally send any roster and win it all
read that for more info
raw ermine
A couple dropped out
tawny sigil
this is so fucking confusing
but no stream ever happened?
players stay at home and play there?
is the entirety of OWWC happening at blizzcon or just the start
raw ermine
its at blizzcon
serene monolith
Liberate Hong Kong! Standing strong with HK!
balmy wolf
hey idk if this is the right place to put it, but im in an esport team, and we only have 4 pc players, we have several console players as well, but the tournament we are on is pc. its like a standard esport setup, 6 pcs yada yada, but is there any way i can help my console players?
raw ermine
Not an expert, but you can hook up controllers to pc's and play that way, but you should talk to the tournament director probably
hidden vault
This I'm not sure if this is the best place to talk about this but you should probably start training them on kbm
It's much easier
Maybe #406722271038668810 is the correct place idk
karmic grotto
Question is
will it work?
recruitment, how will they even sign players who don't even have experience in team play?
echo quest
Sure if you can find a monster mechanically gifted player
balmy wolf
I mean they found jjonak that way so
trim shadow
That is true
raw ermine
imagine jjonak, anamo, tobi, and jehong on 1 team
karmic grotto
but theyre all supports
worn falcon
That's the joke
keen dagger
proven hinge
im just getting into OWL, is there actually no female players?
proven hinge
oh sweet, was trying to decide who's jersey to buy and shanghai has cool colors
uneven wren
the feels bad thing is geguri was benched most of the season
raw ermine
yeah, cause dding's sombra was so good, an then they bought envy
worn falcon
i dont remember well, are all SHD free agents?
raw ermine
all are team option, except iziyaki and envy, who are contracted, and Gamsu, who is free agent
worn falcon
Ooof Gamsu :(
balmy wolf
Gamsu is probs gonna get resigned to dragons
balmy wolf
Dude has an insane ball, wintson, ok rein, decent orisa as well.
tropic herald
He’s also pretty old eSports wise so he might chose to not be a player anymore
balmy wolf
jehong is almost 30 and he still pretty decent
karmic grotto
The biggest surprise for me
Like, I woke up a bit later, but good thing match started later
I watched early broadcast
But I judged the first 30 seconds too quickly
Then I went to the main stream
And saw 0-2 for ATL
queen drift
It’s weird to think that USA winning OWWC this year wouldn’t be a hot take
Also someone OWL pls pick up LegitRC 
selfless fam
balmy wolf
Atl just got dismantled on another level
karmic grotto
Or maybe
Mental boom by playing 4 maps already
Then playing again?
30 mins later
Not much time to prepare yourself tho
But it shouldn't matter, they play so bad, no clear strategy
balmy wolf
How do you boom yourself winning a 4-0 series? This is EM just figuring them out way in advance.
Sparkle and Doha are making those OWL teams sweat on the bidding war that's gonna happen after the tournament.
karmic grotto
Yes, but you'd still be fatigued
Yesterday I had a 6x winstreak in ranked, yet I felt so tired
It is. Factor you know
EM didn't had to play earlier
balmy wolf
They on average play this game like a 9-5 job.
karmic grotto
But those are scrims
I can easily play for hours
I get what you mean
But playing on stage is different than what you do at home
balmy wolf
Well even if it is fatigue, it wouldn't stop how their getting outplayed EM rn.
balmy wolf
dear god doha
karmic grotto
Sometimes, you've got adapt and think logically
You really gonna wait a whole round for Sombra to EMP?
Use sound barrier offensively
Literally wasted
balmy wolf
Well the problem here is that if the beat gets wasted then sombra will always have another emp faster than the beat. Making it a lose-lose for Atl.
Astro just needed to dodge the EMP, but its harder to do it than goats was. Due to the nature of double shield.
karmic grotto
This meta needs to die
And good thing it's dying after the patch
4 weeks later
balmy wolf
It might be the dominant comp it was before, but it'll still be viable.
karmic grotto
At least I hope Winston will be more viable
I know for sure Hog will be since Sigma can't block hook
hidden vault
I hope so but I don't think so
the extra shield works alot better than the extra hook
balmy wolf
That's why its hard to say double shield wont die in pro play. 2 shields by itself is so powerful.
sullen berry
🥝 Clap
karmic grotto
Whta time does OD start?
echo quest
Philly in a nutshell : Lose a close map and then get boomed
karmic grotto
lmao
Also
@echo quest Bidding war for Sparkle
Let's bet some scrimbucks for this
600k for him
karmic grotto
Much monies for Mystic
But why would Fusion
Buy Sparkle and Xzi, but not Sparkle and Doha
karmic grotto
Sounds like Shock's lineup
hidden vault
I bet the trio would be a great pick up
echo quest
190k for Worlds holy fuck
echo quest
Sorry I was taking about Worlds league of legend viewership
worldly siren
Im new to esports, which team should I root for?
raw ermine
If you have a team in your city, them. If you find a player you like, root for them and there team also
worldly siren
I dont have one, should i root for whichever is closest?
hidden vault
Just read more watch more sooner or later you will find a team or a player you like
Because you can relate to their values
echo quest
@karmic grotto no lmao
It’s only day 2 of the group stages
The opening match got 2 million views without counting the Chinese viewers
The RNG vs SKT match got over 2 million as well
weary robin
I wish my overwatch team would start to get better over the off season/ next season
weary robin
You think you have it tough I'm a Florida mayhem fan
hidden vault
Why do you like toronto in the 1st place?
trim shadow
Toronto was the new florida this year so
raw ermine
I am from toronto
weary robin
Florida still were the same old bad team that they were during season 1 just without the memes
But we got swoosh back so maybe the memes will return
echo quest
@weary robin Florida has a good future with the likes of Fate,Gargoyle and Saya
trim shadow
But theyre going to be travelling so
weary robin
The travelling will change the league because players are going to be fatigued and jetlag
trim shadow
Travelling makes the season at least 2x times harder
But at least they get almost 2 weeks bye
Or at least a week bye
I think some have 3 weeks bye
weary robin
Yeah
karmic grotto
Sp9rk1e (Element Mystic/Flex DPS) - Offers from London, Seoul, Dallas, Shanghai, Hangzhou and most of the League
Daco (Atlanta Reign/Off-Tank) - Wishes to be traded to an all Korean roster
oh man
but rumors need be taken with a grain of salt
hidden vault
@raw ermine any changes you personally would like to see for toronto? Or additions?
raw ermine
coaching is a mess right now, so we need to sort that out
trim shadow
they shouldve gotten better coaches
there was really nothing wrong with the players besides not synergizing and overall bad planning
tough dagger
I mean it is canada
hidden vault
Well they fired bishop so there are coaching changes
trim shadow
All the coaches have togo god dammit
calm holly
calm holly
Okay, I wasn't sure 😂
pearl stratus
Should sue the kid for libel, ruining his image like that.
Being associated with Dallas easily cuts 10k/yr off his prospects.
trim shadow
Thats the ultimate cursed roster moves right there
vast ermine
Hey guys i need some help... im a mod on an esports server and was needed to make rulesets for each of the games... OW is one of them... I really can't find a definitive list of rules but if u guys could point me to one that would be great... Any ideas?
hidden vault
But I do see Dallas wanting to pick him up tho
I suspect whoever picks him up is smart enough to pick tobi too
It would be a story for a redemption arc
balmy wolf
But the problem is almost everyone on dallas expect note are under contract
trim shadow
That is true
balmy wolf
they have 10 players in contract, with note expected to re-signed to fuel. There are already 3 supports including 2 main supports and 1 flex support.
Now in theory I could see both tobi and jehong considering fuel if whoru was signed to the team.
And with OGE being a KR main tank that would mean a roster where 4 of the starting players would be KR leaving zach and note the only non-korean players.
hidden vault
Ok say if Dallas wants to pick up ryujehong
And they are considering to pick up tobi too
They would have to trade closer away
Cause I have no bloody idea how they are gonna do that for Harryhook unless they drop but still pay him
But i doubt even dallas would do that
Anyways if this happens I believe it is likely would drop note and pick up zunba too
All these to increase fan disappointment support by a tenfold
Idk how EnvyUs and Lunatic-Hai playing together would sound
But it would be really weird
Anyways Dallas picking up Jehong solely would be more likely
But I'll say Dallas or Contenders
Right now I don't see any other team picking them up
sullen berry
Well for a start you can have 12 active players on a roster
Looking at the shock formula for roster composition
You could have all 12 slots used up equally
4 tanks, 4 dps, 2 supports
That's pretty much what I could see fuel aiming for, Note a free agent then they're probably looking for a killer off tank that complements Mickie's hero pool
But they've never had enough tanks to do anything close to that
balmy wolf
note is a free agent due to his contract with boston
tho i doubt he is going to leave
and mickie would rarely if ever be played again
hidden vault
I don't see how Note complements Mickie's hero pool tho
I think he is better at every single off tank
balmy wolf
its a joke because mickie is good at nothing
hidden vault
Rights
pearl stratus
It'll be hard, without a LARGE sum of money, to convince any player of note to join Dallas at this point outside of trades.
They have one of the worst records in the league over two seasons with no growth whatsoever.
It's basically career suicide for people who want to be forgotten.
karmic grotto
Their plan is to not win tho
It's to be as popular
Merchandise and stuff
Same as outlaws
hidden vault
Would you choose Dallas or contenders then?
balmy wolf
Contenders and prove yourself and get in the sights of better teams.
The contenders scene next year is gonna be tournament after tournament.
Dallas is a shadow of its former glory before OWL. Being the 1st western team to win a tournament in korea esports.
little silo
Im not sure if Dallas players just signed long contracts or if they were re-signed
the only people on Dallas who still have potential seem to be Closer, OGE and maybe Note and Unkoe
I wouldnt really consider the other players useful or good
balmy wolf
Did Dallas sign ryujehong?
little silo
no that was a troll
balmy wolf
Really?
OGE mechanically is great
I just can’t see him staying on the Dallas roster
little silo
I doubt that Dallas are willing to let the guy whose name was constantly chanted during the Dallas homestand go
The man was so touched by it he cried on stage as well
little silo
OGE himself showed hints of potential but a main tank is super reliant on his team
balmy wolf
He asks for a lot of resources with his playstyle
Similar to Bumper
Just doesn’t get as much value
little silo
well Vancouver Goats was a well-oiled machine with years of trust and coordination
As well as insane synergy and skill
Dallas however didnt have that
balmy wolf
My Criticism is more on the fact, OGE plays way too agro
balmy wolf
note is fine
little silo
a lot of it is on coaching
The team didnt win a map in the second half of every match after stage 2
balmy wolf
Zacharee struggled a lot of the season
With really any character he chose
On another note, I’m hoping Fusion picks up Sleepy
balmy wolf
Where do you think Sleepy will end up?
balmy wolf
Replacement for Rawkus?
karmic grotto
Back up support
But I don't know, but he won't go to Fusion since Fusion pays big monies to keep Alarm
balmy wolf
I’m hoping the outlaws get another main tank
Muma is probably one of the worst main tanks this entire season
limber pine
Twitter
karmic grotto
Everyone in ATL seems to be team option
Why doesn't it say under contract?
Except FunnyAstro
limber pine
because they had a team option?
karmic grotto
Also, Spitfire needs dps
I'd hope for Carpe, or else Sparkle and Xzi
But seems like Profit and Sparkles heroes overlap
So, Carpe there
Sparkle and Xzi to Fusion
balmy wolf
Carpe will most likely leave the fusion
limber pine
based on what?
karmic grotto
Spitfire needs dps, Carpe is a free agent
balmy wolf
Didn’t he talk about leaving? Or being disappointed
limber pine
that's not specifically about carpe tho
balmy wolf
I could be wrong
limber pine
you could literally insert any korean free agent DPS into that statement and make it work
balmy wolf
Gesture on spitfire widow duty
karmic grotto
I should play a few more ptr matches today to prepare myself
balmy wolf
I want Zaryas damage to be reverted
She’s still strong just might not be as much of a crucial pick in actual organized matches as she used to
hidden vault
I thought jehong boosted he had a few offers?
mint flower
glass kettle
Yeah I thought the Philippines were also going