oh sick play
#esports-discussion
quasi stump
rapid locust
thankgod ALT isn't copying nyxl
karmic grotto
Here's the issue with nyxl, coach prob said: let's go cheese strat when you can't beat the mirror meta
When they go cheese too, we beat them with our own cheese
north beacon
Terrible barrages by erster
rapid locust
@karmic grotto are you watching a different because that is not what's happening
karmic grotto
I don't know what game you watched in the past
But you clearly aren't following the updates
rapid locust
the meta was different in past games and were no where near as important
i mean this match is important
not trying to undercut the nerf/buffs that affect the game
ornate rose
SBB
uneven wren
hex is a smart boi
karmic grotto
What are you even talking about?
uneven wren
meanwhile semmler is so pepega i can't even
karmic grotto
I moved on from that
ornate rose
upper niche
@balmy wolf They should have just introduced a mechanic where shields, turrets etc can't be placed too near each other, and that heal stacking doens't occur. That would uhave stopped goats, it would have stopped bunker.
rapid locust
blizz doesn't want a dominating comp or meta
quasi stump
nyxl won without bastion 
rapid locust
they just want chaos
ornate rose
wide herald
GG ez
north beacon
lol the shade. “They’ve got a supercharger if they can actually put a good one down”
gilded peak
So NYXL > Shock?
karmic grotto
Not quite
rapid locust
probably not
karmic grotto
Shock is angry
wide herald
Shock are shook
rapid locust
shock has sinatra
raw ermine
remember all of our brackets having NXYL get eliminated in 2 matches
wide herald
They're letting their nerves get to them
raw ermine
lol
flat patio
raw ermine
gg
wide herald
The new SBB could take the murder face name away from tokido 
upper niche
Either that's some serious lighting, or Libero has a really shiny forehead.
north beacon
I understood that in Korean. “Doomfist. Wow”
wide herald
Atlanta fanbois, where you at now?
rapid locust
it's that gamer sweat
raw ermine
they're crying too loudly to hear anything xd
rapid locust
ALT isn't out of it yet
raw ermine
ik
wide herald
Shock are angry
balmy wolf
You guys are so cringe talking shit about esports fans lol
wide herald
They are gonna get wiped
raw ermine
it messed up there perfect playoffs tho
wide herald
Actually naw, they ain't even gonna reach shock
upper niche
ROFL the Jeff Head
wide herald
China numba wun, spark gonna wipe atlanta
north beacon
Libero “bruh stop translating I understand English”
balmy wolf
Dude needs a bigger size on that jersey rofl
upper niche
It's a signed jersey, it's supposed to hang on a wall not be worn.
raw ermine
^
upper niche
WTF, Losers bracker? It's lower bracket.
gilded peak
Nah mate, its called losers bracket because they lost
velvet scarab
ye
raw ermine
Big brain
wide herald
People trying to not hurt feelings smh
It's not a lower bracket, it's the losers bracket
They there because they losers
gilded peak
Next thing, we are gonna get participation prizes...
velvet scarab
its double elimination rules
forest raven
Don't give me this "NYXL looks better" talk. Beating London Spitfire by map 5 in an MEANINGLESS match means NOTHING! The Spitfire rotated Birdring and Guard around!
The New York Excelsior won't win another playoff series. They're not good enough anymore.
wide herald
NYXL probably won't beat VAN in the winners finals
They'll probably do the runback in the grand finals
karmic grotto
Who are they playing
upper niche
We still could get upsets. HZS could beat ATL. LAG could beat SFS.
gilded peak
Hard to say they look better when a new meta came around.
wide herald
NYXL vs VAN next friday
wide herald
Yep
upper niche
Yeah, so they'll play the Losers bracket games on Thursday, then the Upper and result of the losers on Friday I think?
gilded peak
So its gonna be all 1 match next friday. Gonna be very short if its one sided
balmy wolf
I doubt it'll be one sided
wide herald
It's one match from next friday to sunday
balmy wolf
Also any game is short if it's one sided
upper niche
ah okay, 1 game Fri, Sat , Sun
wide herald
But they'll be good matches
gilded peak
We won't know if its a good match til it happens
karmic grotto
Titans 4 - 0 nyxl
balmy wolf
massa did low key give new york busan by fat fingering
wide herald
Naw, it'll be 4-2 titans
karmic grotto
Ez 4-0
wide herald
Then NYXL gonna do the runback in the losers bracket
gilded peak
Everybody thought Fusion vs Spitfire will be a good match. But it was so one sided
wide herald
I mean they even 4-2 with the biggeese
upper niche
Oh wow, if SFS get through and VAN beat NYXL, is this only the second time we'll see SFS vs NYXL this season?
wide herald
It's clear they'll either 4-2 or 4-3
gilded peak
Yep
velvet scarab
i want atl to get to grand finals
dapper lantern
my boys won 
upper niche
I don't recall seeing SFS v NYE except ina regular season game.
velvet scarab
just so i can see babybay play ashe
karmic grotto
ATL has one chance left
balmy wolf
Yea but this is deep into the player pools where only the true best of the best teams remain to beat the living snot out of eachother
dapper lantern
I went for a walk and missed everything
gilded peak
It only happened once in the first stage
karmic grotto
Nyxl gonna get wiped by titans
balmy wolf
Most of that team is korean tho]
gilded peak
That's when SFS had the toughest schedule in stage 1
balmy wolf
Strength of schedule doesn't mean jack now that we're this deep
who cares what the schedule was when the top 3 teams were the most clearly ahead by a significant margin for most if not every stage
gilded peak
If only the 2-2-2 role queue happened on stage 3, Mayhem and Justice would have had a chance
wide herald
They couldn't be constant, they can only look for next season
balmy wolf
Not necessarily
That'd still have been a mountain to climb and not every team was Valiant who could have clutched it with or without it
Schedules, past teams, etc... all that is out the window now, what matters is the winners and losers bracket
forest raven
Korea gosu
uneven wren
florida is looking like a strong team for next season
next year might be their chance to be consistent top 10
balmy wolf
Question: Why is the current meta Doom-Reaper-Sig-Orisa-Lucio-Moira???
upper niche
Hows this. I did some number crunching: I have: Odds on VAN d SFS in the final as 1.0075:1
minor flame
why?
because sustain
both doom and reaper have high amounts of hp and sustain
sig and orisa both have shields and are tanky asf
balmy wolf
True...
minor flame
and lucio moira for aoe heals
balmy wolf
Gotcha
forest raven
Doomfist doesn't give a shit about shields
balmy wolf
I mean, couldn't reaper-mei or mei-doom work?
minor flame
nope
upper niche
And odds on NYE d SFS as 1.055:1
minor flame
Mei doesnt give enough dmg
forest raven
Well junkertown isn't in the playoffs map pool so
upper niche
Mei isn't about doing damage. She's about denying mobility.
balmy wolf
Oh....
And that's only good against like genji or tracer?
Also, I think Hackfist would be interesting
forest raven
Mei's used against bastion counter comps
But you know, mei isn't doing much if there's a reaper, sigma and doom running at mach speed into your team
upper niche
Think of her almost like an off-support. Mei's job is to put the enemy in a position where the team can utilise her denial of mobility.
balmy wolf
Gotcha
upper niche
That's why Reaper-Mei is such a brutal combo currently.
balmy wolf
And ig Sombra is easily countered too...
upper niche
Mei puts them in place for Reaper to just line them up.
or rather... Mei just lines them up for Reaper.
Whether that's by freezing them or denying them a route of escape, whichever one.
upper niche
TBH there isn't really a singe meta right now, which is great, that's how it should be.
raw ermine
dominant strategy of a game
upper niche
We're seeing teams play Mei/Reaper, we're seeing Bastion/Sym.
If it's a case of "One team is particularly good at a particular strat which won for them, but everyone else can't make it work", that's not meta.
balmy wolf
So kinda like the Clockwork Vendetta comp?
upper niche
Sigma I guess is Meta currently.
But he's about the only constant.
I mean Clockwork comp is a strat. But it's not meta.
upper niche
Yeah. So I suppose double-shield is meta... but everything else isn't.
Lucio is a strong pick, but I wouldn't say he's meta.
upper niche
Honestly, Bunker and Goats would have been null-events if they had just removed the ability to have two of the same ability running in close proximity simultaneously.
upper niche
Goats: Remove heal-stacking. Bunker? Remove the ability for two barriers to operate in close proximity.
Goats could not have existed if you could not have multiple healing effects working at full strength simultaneously. Both the above would force spread compositions and tactics.
balmy wolf
Bunker was Orisa Hog tho
Wait
That's wrong, nvm
tbh, I'd love to see Dive make a comeback
upper niche
Dive is fine IF it's not the only thing that gets played.
balmy wolf
Yeah, bc then its basically footsie with the other team
upper niche
I played a match last night where we got rolled, teammates were insisting we play Dive to get past a Mei, but clearly didn't understand what dive actually is.
balmy wolf
Dive is not anti-mei... It's literally to take out priority targets, like an Ana or Zen
zRight?
upper niche
I know that.
balmy wolf
I know you know...
upper niche
Playing "Dive" has nothing to do wither whether or not Mei is separating the team at a choke.
one may follow, but it does not imply.
balmy wolf
True
The best way, I've found to deal with a Mei is to either burst her down or play around her
sterile fox
new york
pearl stratus
Also just as a side note.
Lucio is mostly in meta because he's one of the few things that helps against a Sigma ult.
Sigma's ult is -50% health, does not impact shields. So Sound Barrier actually is very strong against it in terms of potentially surviving.
trim shadow
Still weird he can ult while in sigma’s ult
regal merlin
Oh sweet thanks
trim shadow
Outra here bandwagon
balmy wolf
Is the GF a double elimination or another first to 4?
uneven wren
both
tropic herald
Grand finals is interesting
forest raven
There is no reset in grand finals
forest raven
Yep
upper niche
Yeah, it's not a traditional Double Elimination tournament.
ie, you can directly win from the lower bracket in the OWL format. Usually in a double elim tourney to win from the lower bracket you would have to beat the winner of the upper bracket (ie, to send them to the lower brakcet) and then beat them again.
minor flame
who wouldve thought
the team to not beat atl
would not be shock
but nyxl
the mid tier team we didnt expect
balmy wolf
nyxl looking tough rn
minor flame
they look fine
but if they dont get some variety other than the bastion comp it might not end up too well
cause it seems like once people find out a better plan around it
nyxl gets stomped
fading raft
having multiple comps that you can be capable with doesn't hurt your chances in terms of winning
heavy tartan
titan gonna win
scenic elm
Aw man, tbh i wanted a 5 hour long best of 14 finals
idle gorge
How do the championship series work
hidden vault
Hooreg lucky charm is working
karmic grotto
So apparently 2 way players can fully play in play offs
@minor flame those or my thoughts too. Feels like nyxl uses this bastion thing to exploit the comps the teams haven't scrimmed against
So nyxl have advantage and that's clearly visible but this won't work for long when teams who play against new York scrim to counter that pirate ship thing
Technically they could go dive
hidden vault
Or they could not scrim and use the element of surprise
karmic grotto
Lmao
karmic grotto
echo quest
Gonna be a beat down at the gauntlet tomorrow
karmic grotto
WAIT
it's tomorrow?
no
@echo quest it's next month
October
Today ticket sale starts
Maybe you were confusing that
sullen berry
wow, stage 1 really was the best timeline https://twitter.com/rebvilla27/status/1170391307350683650
sterile fox
how long is a playoff game usually?
sullen berry
longer than a regular season match, why do youask
sullen berry
regular season game on average would be about 1 Hr 20 mins no ads in between
sterile fox
well a game i wanna watch starts before school so i wanted to know if i could watch it and then go to school
sullen berry
unlikely
sterile fox
like 2hr before i head out
sullen berry
🤔 yeah you're going to be missing something big if these aren't 4-0 or 4-1 sweeps
sterile fox
that’s a big sad for me
sullen berry
These matches are always playing during work hours on a monday
it's otherwise a great time for me if I ever committed to watching more games
limber pine
Come ask Susie Kim anything! https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/d1qf6l/ama_with_susie_kim_former_owl_gm_and_youth/
sullen berry
This is actually pretty nice, i take it there's nothing being announced during this AMA ||since she's already left cloud9||
limber pine
yup
lime hare
pearl stratus
SBB had the clutchest of T-bags.
In that being his entire play and shitting all over Atlanta.
sterile fox
is that good or bad
pearl stratus
It was more unexpected for the team vocally considered as washed to dunk the fuck out of an unstoppable looking Atlanta.
minor flame
Who wouldve thought
The match would be filled with Ashe vs a Bastion Bunker for like 4 maps
jagged crater
Add tpain to the call
feral wing
will philly pick up whoru over the off-season?
supple prism
my gut says no
feral wing
hes techincally a part of fusion university but just on a loan
and hes a legendary player too
really damn good
supple prism
what role is he?
lost jacinth
when's the next game?
pearl stratus
WhoRu should be avoided by all teams without insanely good structure.
Which means
Most of them.
All the talent in the world doesn't mean much when you're a shit fuck.
And WhoRu is a giant shit fuck, always has been and has shown no outward signs of outgrowing it.
feral wing
welp i just hope philly dont drop poko. it would be suicide for their social media and branding (and not to mention that poko is one of the best western off tanks)
especially after how he performed on sigma
the man was carrying
pearl stratus
The only roster I could see having WhoRu fall in line - if they maintain with how they have historically dealt with him - is Seoul.
feral wing
dallas?
pearl stratus
Dallas is a shit show.
It'd be standard dallas deconstruct if he went there.
Seoul, which has the Lunatic Hai core, has already had him on roster.
And have benched him, publically, for an entire Apex
To show him he's not special.
feral wing
yeah but zachareee and whoru have played together before and dominated contenders (although whoru did most of the dominating) + dallas still need a projectile player
although there are probably better options
pearl stratus
They also had the same situation.
Where WhoRu let his ego go to his head.
And he got benched then loaned to other teams.
But they did nothing to actually bring it in line.
WhoRu's history is: Do well. Get big ego. Do stupid shit. Get benched.
feral wing
would fit perfectly into the dallas fuel then with their history 
balmy wolf
yep sadly
pearl stratus
Minus the do well part.
feral wing
balmy wolf
which team has the most problem players?
pearl stratus
Dallas doesn't really have problem players, just badly coached ones.
feral wing
ive been saying it all the time
pearl stratus
Which tends to happen when your owner interferes into other shit.
Owners need their hands out of the pot to let people who know what they're doing have more control.
pearl stratus
Hastr0 didn't grasp that at all when he had Kyky around. And not that Kyky didn't make mistakes.
But when you take control away from your head coach you fuck them.
No matter who they are.
feral wing
yeah kyky was put in a bad situation
pearl stratus
Aero is probably fine, but he's a strategic coach.
He needs developmental coaches around him.
balmy wolf
Is Krystal still around or has he been let go?
pearl stratus
But Aero never seems to surround himself with the right options.
feral wing
aero is decent but people overrate him because of dallas not being complete dogshit in stage 4 of season 1
pearl stratus
I'll shit on Aero all day, but I acknowledge he does something right enough to get a LOT of support from his players.
On his team or off.
But you don't do well in OW right now if you dont have good development coaches.
They're all top tier players, its just what coaches can get more out of them at that point.
feral wing
honestly i do think dallas have some player issues too. in the off-season between season 1 and season 2 they basically just got a worse roster than before.
feral wing
zachareee was not the correct option for projectile, they just made their dps situation even more confusing and therefore worse
they got a mediocre off tank in rck to replace a really good off tank in seagull
and they picked up jayne who was kinda unproven at the time which really did make me worry before the season
pearl stratus
All that stems from S1, imo.
When hastr0 forced AKM/Rascal onto the team, which Kyky was pretty open about having no say in.
feral wing
but jayne has exceeded my expectations
they did make one good move over the off-season though
closer
that was quite a good pick up
pickup?
eh idc
pearl stratus
I think it showed though - it wasn't 100% necessary.
If they had a good coach you could have made their supports work. Harryhook is far from washed up, etc.
But they don't take advantage of the talent that they have.
Not that he's nto a great pick up, he is.
feral wing
yes but there can always be improvement in the players too
pearl stratus
But more so that they waste so much talent.
feral wing
boombox is more than good enough but philly are still probably gonna start alarm over him
the difference is that philly does sorta know how to get something out of their talent
some times they do
other times
yeah
philly are confusing
pearl stratus
I mean that's a lot more drastic.
I like boombox.
But Alarm is a vastly different level.
feral wing
boombox is good but alarm is an improvement
im a philly fan so im never gonna hate on boombox
the man has had so much improvement
pearl stratus
I don't hate on him, he's one of the few UK players to be worth a damn.
feral wing
lul fusions
pearl stratus
Fusions needed a real coach.
feral wing
pearl stratus
Fusions is just minecraft headed Super.
If you can give him Rein, great.
If you can't, there's better options.
pearl stratus
To give OGE mental space.
pearl stratus
It's what you need, sometimes. Not every player can handle every game, every day.
And OGE was burning out fast.
He needed help.
feral wing
honestly though, dallas have a good roster
pearl stratus
And Trill was the best shot for it.
Trill can also be developed into something good.
feral wing
OGE
Closer
Note
all of them are really good
note hasnt impressed as much lately though
but still
last season he was
on point
except for when dallas c9'd
then he wasnt
balmy wolf
I'm happy he's off that boston ship
pearl stratus
He's an amazing D'va, he's just not as great on the others.
So he gets outshined quickly when she's not in the mix.
feral wing
unkoe is also a really good flex support
pearl stratus
I feel worse for LAG.
feral wing
honestly i might get some hate for this, but i think dallas are lacking in dps
pearl stratus
Because in this meta Hydration is their best tank.
Their best off tank.
And their best doomfist.
balmy wolf
no I agree
feral wing
taimou, zachareee and akm?
balmy wolf
Zacharee hasn't been outstanding
pearl stratus
All of them have the potential though, they just can't coach them to that next step.
feral wing
akm is probably the best of them
and still he gets outshined
by other rosters who have better dps
pearl stratus
When I watch Dallas play they lose because they always look just a little bit out of sync.
I actually wonder how much of that is the fact they don't have a pillar.
And by that I mean the one player that everyone can kind of rally behind and can control the team mentality.
Like NYXL playing with SBB versus without him, or Houston playing without Jake.
Every team has that guy.
feral wing
or gladiators comms without surefour
balmy wolf
Hmm... Idk endoken; NYXL seemed to be doing fairly well a majority of this season
feral wing
lul
balmy wolf
Without SBB and I love the guy and I understand he's the pillar
pearl stratus
For Goats they did fine because Nenne took that spot.
balmy wolf
just they seemed fine without him being pillar
pearl stratus
Nenne wasn't it for 2-2-2 though.
Like Super/Sinatraa for Shock in 2-2-2. They were the comms.
balmy wolf
He kinda was for a bit of stage 4 until they made the right move and moved him out of it; Nenne stresses me out with how impactful his mistakes were
feral wing
so what roster moves do you think philly will make and what roster moves should they make?
pearl stratus
I think they'll just pull in a good chunk of FU
And leave Na1st as a captain to rebuild.
feral wing
honestly i think that would be brand suicide
pearl stratus
They seem to care more about actually winning than brand suicide.
Since they have so much money they could shit in everyones mouth in the league.
And not care.
feral wing
meh they seem to care a bit
more than most teams
if they swap out poko i am no longer a philly fan
pearl stratus
They care less enough that they pulled one of the only useful contenders teams to Korea to get them better matches and development.
feral wing
swap out poko we riot
pearl stratus
They'll pull him out because of the language barrier for at least a while. He'll probably be a Nevix.
I don't think Bernar is inherently better than Poko, I just think he speaks Korean more than Poko.
feral wing
philly will lose almost half their fanbase if not more if they swap out too many
pearl stratus
They'll get new ones if they win.
feral wing
philly does have one of the biggest fanbases too
pearl stratus
People will also eventually start treating it like a sport.
Because right now people aren't team fans.
They're player fans.
They'll grow up.
feral wing
im a team and player fan
i started rooting for philly because of shadowburn
then i continued because of the rest of the players and because of their branding, history etc
hard to explain
but i would classify myself as both because im mostly only a paris fan because of shadowburn
honestly shadowburn and soon deserve better than paris
pearl stratus
It's the problem with regionalizing a team.
feral wing
they are a really good dps duo
like insanely good
pearl stratus
You get regionalized players.
feral wing
honestly i think philly would be fine with picking up alarm and maybe another dps and then a new main tank
balmy wolf
I'm a very simple man; I like players based on performance and personality.
SBB is a good lad and Jjonak made me pick up Ana and Zen; I respect other teams but bumper has to go down
pearl stratus
They have Kyb they just need to get over their reluctance to bench Carpe.
feral wing
down with bumper
pearl stratus
Bumper is benched anyway.
feral wing
finally
pearl stratus
Tizi exists.
balmy wolf
I know
pearl stratus
What baffles me is people shit on Bumper, but like people like Super.
feral wing
and people said VAncOuvEr cANt geT a NEw mAin TAnk
balmy wolf
but still in stage 4 they played and bumper just talked mad trash and Nenne being in for that map 5 and just wasting the reaper ult
balmy wolf
I don't like Super either; I'm pretty neutral about him. Same with Sinatraa
feral wing
because of the rest of the roster
pearl stratus
A teams only as good as its weakest link.
pearl stratus
I'd rather Bumper Rein for 990043509305082359243598 days.
Than Carpe Zarya for 2 hours.
As a comparison
They made it work with him, you can be mad at him but thats just delusional that he didn't fit the roster.
feral wing
i still remember watching stage 1 finals
balmy wolf
Oh let me rephrase
feral wing
and seeing bumper play so terribly
balmy wolf
I respect the Titans
feral wing
literally letting his team get shattered
pearl stratus
I'd be more mad if I lost to a team that is using a Lucio on Rein.
karmic grotto
Carpe out
balmy wolf
I respect jjanu and twilight and slime because to me they are the best players on that team and honestly the league
pearl stratus
Since Bumper is a Lucio main 😛
balmy wolf
I have a strong distaste for bumper and his extreme disrespect
feral wing
get him out
he also throws ranked games because he doesnt get to play a specific hero
hes childish, cocky and disrespectful
pearl stratus
You do realize most of the league is pieces of shit?
feral wing
not at the same level as bumper
pearl stratus
Like Neptuno told a kid to go kill himself for not throwing for him to get a win
feral wing
ok?
pearl stratus
That's worse.
feral wing
how is that relevant to bumper being a cuck
supple prism
they both suck
pearl stratus
Oh god, you used the word cuck.
You're a fucking idiot.
Just say that at the start next time.
balmy wolf
It's not; it's more so Endoken saying "You should judge everyone fairly" even the players on your favorite team
supple prism
why
pearl stratus
Being biased as shit makes your argument not valid. Its the same as when Philly lost to Dragons and you instantly shit on them too.
feral wing
i never said what neptuno did wasnt bad
its terrible
but that doesnt make bumper less of an asshole
little silo
Bumper wants to entertain
feral wing
a lot of people shit on the other team when their team loses, its because you get competitive and youre in the moment
pearl stratus
Bumper said what he said because at the time it was true.
He was on one of the three non-shit teams in the league.
People want things to be more spicy, then get to be defenseless and whiny when it happens.
feral wing
since when did i say i wanted things to be more spicy?
pearl stratus
The overarch of the community wanted it, and I'm guessing a good chunk of his attitude was scripted.
Because it made for good TV.
Also because it was true.
And they proceeded to shit on 18 teams in the league for half the year.
feral wing
when he continues to act like that in private, it must be one hell of a good act
pearl stratus
Ah yes, the one thrown match definitely means all the time. Context is a hard high level educational topic.
Masters thesis stuff.
jagged crater
s4 saying ashe might be in a better spot than widow in this meta
that is interestin
brought it up yesterday when babybay used ashe
feral wing
throwing one match in that manner does say something about his attitude and personality
jagged crater
yea
pearl stratus
There ya go.
jagged crater
as usual, everything is meta based
jagged crater
but still there exists a situation where ashe is actually being used over widow when we thought none before
feral wing
isnt that to counter symmetra strats?
feral wing
couldve sworn i saw teams use ashe against symmetra teleporter strats in the eurocup
pearl stratus
Providing pressure via a 2 dink to a Pharah, while having a positional advantage on Reaper with Coachgun.
Because unlike McCree if your Coach gun misses/is ghosted you still reposition.
Whereas if you whiff the Flash you just die.
jagged crater
i mean everyone was shitting on ashe being a worse mccree/widow so it's good to see she has something
pearl stratus
At the time for that meta she was.
Also there's no D'va which helps immensely.
As Dynamite becomes a zero sum game with Lucio.
jagged crater
coachgun for doom too so you dont get instagib'd
pearl stratus
Yeah but he has more gap close so its still dangerous. But it forces him to commit so there's a higher trade percentage.
balmy wolf
he is but he's more so to cause a distraction or having an extra meat/cooldown shield
balmy wolf
if he's capping point then he needs to be focused down, if he's in the middle of a fight then someone has to waste a cool down to zone him out or CC him which means one less CC/cooldown for everyone else
jagged crater
he eats the fish
trim shadow
You at least want bob to
get a kill
And make a team waste resources
In owl its a. Pyp
Shuld i take shit ton of damage from this bob?
Or run at the enemy
balmy wolf
Mid range battle with burst damage
jagged crater
They retiring it entirely?
upper niche
I believe it's going to get used for other tournaments owned by A/B.
upper niche
@jagged crater I would expect playoffs might end up getting hosted by the highest seed team where they're able to do so, and the loweer seed where they can't.,
jagged crater
Yesssir
raw ermine
aww man, not the jehong clip, too soon man
upper niche
So if they kept the current format they might do something like play 1v8 and 4v5 then 5v8 at a venue chosen by seed #1.
And, simultaneously, 2v7 anv 3v6 with 6v7 being played at a venue hosted by seed #2.
I suppose the downside of that is you may not get big attendances for that lower bracket match if the local team isn't playing.
They could potentially also decide to swap to some other system - for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFL_final_eight_system - which would also better allow them to schedule the matches a week apart in home regions.
trim shadow
i wonder what happened to the display screen on the desk
also if ryu doesnt come back for season 3 im gunna be sad
vagrant oracle
Favourite OWL team?
sterile fox
nyxl
gaunt acorn
trim shadow
Wait is that new jerseys i smell?
upper hawk
i mean thats pretty cool
not that one on the left
my eyes hate that. but the others
balmy wolf
the one on the left is nasty
sullen berry
@Rineth#0228 I looked into it some more. Definitely an eyesore but it sure catches your attention
willow moon
Excuse me but what’s a Sigma showdown?
thin topaz
well.. how did you guys choose which team to root for? Here in EU we got no local teams except paris and london, which I both don't like somehow...(Bearbeitet)
red anvil
@thin topaz for most of us that have followed the scene for a while just started cheering for a team, got attached and kept on cheering
i still cheer for the same core of players i cheered for 2.5 years ago
hidden vault
For me I started off not supporting any teams and/or players
But as I go on there are teams and players that earn my respect and I started to somewhat root for them and there players who I dislike cause of their attitude too hope they lose >:c
I think as you go on it's harder to be impartial and there are teams you will root for
Just stick around long enough and you will see teams and players that appeal to your values or make plays that capture your attention
I don't think you need support a team from the start
Or that you necessary need to stick with a team from your region
You seem to have some perception of the teams and you know what who don't like
Just start with there
willow moon
@thin topaz When I first started playing OW, Surefour's aiming guide were basically my anchor. I loved the videos, started following Glads' channel and that's how I raised my shield 
I'm low-key a Shock fan too because Architect is an absolute monster and the team itself earned my respect as I watched them play 
thin topaz
what i like watching right now is gladiators, sf shock, nyxl and vancouver
let's see where I will land, but these 4 I really enjoy
hidden vault
@willow moon it just sounds like games with Sigma
You can ask Jayne since askjayne
Cidd it seems you already choosen
worn falcon
mine are the 3 korean starters: NYXL, Spitfire and SD
grave estuary
balmy wolf
click heads
balmy wolf
nyxl captured a whole lot of people’s attention during season 1 of OWL
they were rolling everyone for most of the season
grizzled pine
CREAPER?
somber bay
is SD seoul dynasty or shanghai
hidden vault
Well they chose to kick kodak in the 1st place
pearl stratus
I feel like Spark/Atlanta was going to be a tight game anyway. I'm always worried about the teams with no real insane stars, just crazy good teamwork.
karmic grotto
tropic herald
Reign v Spark should be interesting
I want to see if Bazzi and Erster is gonna be as fun to watch as I think it will
tawdry epoch
Bazzi and erster are a threatening duo to say the least. Erster has a really good doomfist
minor flame
Ehh ersters doom is not exactly the best
I do think hes servicable but he tends to be very rough with his play
balmy wolf
@jade wing
nova scaffold
trim shadow
Mmmmm...no
balmy wolf
They had like really good dps player but their tank and support line is what's mainly lacking
gaunt acorn
benworst
trim shadow
think i said i would franchise sdb and soon
but like everyone else can either get traded or dropped
jagged crater
Where genji
Think there still some potentially better EU contenders talent up for grabs
balmy wolf
I mean
From what I understand
The best Goats teams were in EU contenders but none of them got picked up for some reason
vale pond
The best goats teams were in korean contenders lol
Adapted earlier but korea kinda dominated
balmy wolf
@balmy wolf
queen drift
you could argue Vancouver and NYXL dont have any star players
"EndokenYesterday at 6:39 AM
I feel like Spark/Atlanta was going to be a tight game anyway. I'm always worried about the teams with no real insane stars, just crazy good teamwork."
nyxl/van dont have stars, in my opinion, bc they all carry their weight
You can pick out people like Mano, JJoNaK, Twilight, Bumper.. But imo they stand out more because of their personalities, in the case of Bumper and Jjonak at least
worn falcon
So they learned to not bring DJ Khaled
https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1172224549909389313
balmy wolf
idk who that is
raw ermine
I thought it was Martin garrix who was the DJ?
worn falcon
I mean anything is better than DJ Khaled at this point
rare magnet
if shock loses today are they eliminated?
pearl stratus
It's not that they didn't do better than not bringing DJ Khaled.
Zedd is a GM player.
He'll dunk on 98% of the trash in the audience, and play for them.
dreamy cave
nyxl can beat titans
dreamy cave
theyve looked better than in the previous seasons
minus 1st season when they were still stomping
trim shadow
honestly if new york beat atlanta
new york couldve actually gotten there shit together
its just...that vancouver dps line is hard carrying versus all the other teamwork heavy teams
balmy wolf
True but I believe NYXL bastion strats kinda inherrently make haksal's doomfist kinda worthless
raw ermine
they're only discussing Shock and LA players
dreamy cave
oh
little silo
its the zedd guy
dreamy cave
...whos zedd?
pearl stratus
Someone whose music you've most likely heard if you haven't lived under a rock for the last few years, but probably don't know the name.
Playing Grand Finals, I believe.
balmy wolf
are the games today on Disney xd?
pearl stratus
And GM player and unofficial 11th member of NYXL.
raw ermine
omg bren
limber pine
@balmy wolf yes
balmy wolf
oki thanks
gaunt acorn
@raw ermine not everyone, you got lucky
little silo
what trial
gaunt acorn
@little silo coke gaming have gifted a ton of all-access passes
little silo
thats great
gaunt acorn
he was lucky enough to get one
night tusk
Is there no official announcment about gator?
If he is playing today he is promoted to main roster if i’m right
discord death again
gaunt acorn
@night tusk he would simply become ineligible to compete in the gauntlet
night tusk
Empty stadium aswell, how will OWL survive xd
gaunt acorn
his contract would remain unchanged
however they may choose to elevate him (contractually) to the main roster afterwards
gaunt acorn
only in the sense that they can no longer compete in contenders matches
in the case of fusions they had to immediately change his contract because of a quirk in the rules
however post-stage 1 that's been amended
also what i was saying earlier re: free trial @little silo @raw ermine
i was wrong, oops
i guess they are doing a global free trial for this week
i had assumed you meant the hundreds of all-access pass they gifted users in chat last week
gaunt acorn
oh
well then i suppose i was correct and incorrect at the same time
either way, lucky you
raw ermine
yeah
I imagine the owl players get sick of hearing the same voice lines over and over between 2 characters
queen drift
You tune it out
opal spruce
remember when ATL had more than 5 minutes
raw ermine
yikes
opal spruce
WHAT IS HAPPENING
opal spruce
SPARK HAD THAT
raw ermine
atlanta barely did
opal spruce
IDK showin that Seoul love
mental cliff
Interesting spray choice
opal spruce
i'd put money its cause of Tobi and Jaehong
gaunt acorn
opal spruce
can someone explain what the hell im watching
trim shadow
so who bit babybay with the feeding bug
raw ermine
aww man babybay
worn falcon
till last point
minor flame
Imagine
opal spruce
my god
minor flame
Having 2 game winning ults
calm holly
Hooooly shit
minor flame
And not be good at using them
calm holly
Blossom isn't
opal spruce
go from a 5:20 time bank to letting spark full push in overtime
minor flame
Atlanta had no reason to not win that
raw ermine
huge nade
rapid locust
OMG
raw ermine
gg
rapid locust
gg
opal spruce
good lord that match
rapid locust
I think this is gonna be a short serires
undone falcon
2-0
calm holly
Spark is on fire today
balmy wolf
reign choke a 5 min lead
rapid locust
series
broken dagger
babybay is so bad.
dreamy cave
bruh
broken dagger
like holy.
balmy wolf
And spark are looking like the dominant team in the lower bracket rn
balmy wolf
regin the high to mid tier team that can pull upsets but never really is a top team
trim shadow
spark are looking like the dominant team in the lower bracket
dreamy cave
trim shadow
like san fran didnt just 4-0 london while not playing seriously
balmy wolf
london is a pretty low bar
broken dagger
Coke just gifted like $750 worth of OWL passes.
balmy wolf
glads and shock last matchup was pretty intense
worn falcon
i got one of those coke gifts
broken dagger
Dogman and Masaa are literally carrying Atlanta.
undone falcon
shock barley won
rapid locust
famous last words?
undone falcon
it's gonna be nyxl vs spark or shock in grand finals prob
mental cliff
Not Titans?
rapid locust
not titans?
balmy wolf
titans are killing it
mental cliff
I mean I’m not a huge fan of Vancouver and NYXL definitely has a chance against them, but they shouldn’t be disregarded
balmy wolf
titans adapt really fast as the game goes on
undone falcon
maybe titans, but i'm not sure if they can adapt to nyxl's bastion pharah comp
nyxl can add a symm in that comp also
balmy wolf
2cp mostly
rapid locust
yeah
raw ermine
why don't they play bastion comps on anubis? I hardly see them in this meta
balmy wolf
map geometry
rapid locust
yeah
balmy wolf
payload maps are more linear
rapid locust
lots of cover = no bastion play
raw ermine
rolled
undone falcon
4 mins in bank
worn falcon
WTF atl, they're still tilted by the previous 2 loses?
balmy wolf
1st map was ok, but 2nd map
yea you be titled
they somehow lost with a 5 min timebank and then lost in OT
undone falcon
= 
dreamy cave
undone falcon
no kappa
dreamy cave
bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
worn falcon
Oh boy
rapid locust
Ester didn't kill him
worn falcon
that reaper
dreamy cave
balmy wolf
clutch hold
worn falcon
tiltedbay
undone falcon
baby
rapid locust
babybruh
undone falcon
1 min on clock
dreamy cave
what makes me mad is
undone falcon
vs 4:43
dreamy cave
the moment i hang up the phone call i was on is when they close it out
balmy wolf
did they say they didnt prepare for spark?
rapid locust
babybay's shirt doesn't have his name on it
undone falcon
yea
worn falcon
Dogman?
rapid locust
there he is
worn falcon
Rip Ratlanta
balmy wolf
I wonder if spark were trolling with that comp
dreamy cave
bruuuuhhhhh
worn falcon
it's first to 4 right?
dreamy cave
its clutch time
uneven wren
escort is next
balmy wolf
Clutch is not in reigns blood today
dreamy cave
even in atl lose, they did great. im happy with them
rapid locust
I think they will win this one and then lose the next one
rapid locust
actually I change my mind
dreamy cave
owl is a anime so i would guess the next 2 maps tbh
rapid bobcat
Why would you pick a map you've never won in
pearl stratus
Teamwork is usually better than talent, even better when you have both
Can't rely on pop offs for everything.
rapid locust
because they know they are doomed?
wide herald
China numba wun!
rapid locust
haha
dreamy cave
unless spark arent that good on this map either
rapid locust
Reign's W/L record is 0/5
inland pawn
babybay PepeHands
wide herald
Spark is 4-3, better than 0-5
rapid locust
Spark's W/L record is 4/3 for this map
uneven wren
i wonder why atlanta picked this map then
rapid locust
they wanna go home
raw ermine
dogman is probably getting worse, from his sickness
pearl stratus
If they lose this sucks long term for them too.
Because they've also thrown the Gauntlet.
raw ermine
that would be awful
pearl stratus
He can't.
He played 3 games.
Unless Blizzard makes an exception he's disqualified
rapid locust
@pearl stratus what do you mean "thrown the Gauntlet"?
dreamy cave
disqualified from what?
balmy wolf
contenders tournament
pearl stratus
When you play more than 2 games in OWL you're ineligible for the next Contenders season/event.
So since he played 3 of the Playoff games
He's most likely ineligible for the Gauntlet now.
uneven wren
sf lost to this 
pearl stratus
Yeah it was a risk.
uneven wren
gator is most likely stoked to be in owl
pearl stratus
They went for the Grand Finals in OWL.
dreamy cave
yeah shock lost to them, i guess shock are on a low end
pearl stratus
But, that being said, they also don't have to upgrade him permanently.
It's not like he's magically on the main roster now if things change before S3.
pearl stratus
Because they don't want you signing people on minimum academy contracts
And using them the full season/stage.
It's unfair to the players.
This way if you want the player long term you need to sign them long term.
Beyond that you can use them like subs.
It's pretty much taken verbatim from the NBA.
worn falcon
Oh interesting
pearl stratus
My guess it will go verbatim to the NBA for S3, to be 8 total games.
inland pawn
reverse sweep incoming 
worn falcon
Babybay the fuck was that predictable ult
balmy wolf
is babybay really their best hitscan?
rapid locust
does anybody know what new teams will be in season 3?
rapid locust
I think korea should have another team
pearl stratus
Too much logistically with the new home games etc, to add new teams too.
Smart of them to do one or the other.
Don't want to set teams up to fail out the gate.
dreamy cave
LETS GOOOO
rapid locust
they're too deep in live stadium's to do play from home tourneys
inland pawn
uneven wren
atlanta survive for now
inland pawn
Winnable PogU
balmy wolf
only took 3 maps to look actually competitive
pearl stratus
Having to win the back 3 is bad too, because its all your opponents map picks over and over again.
And minus this one Atlanta already tried to use their best maps.
rapid locust
if they reverse sweep them then it will be the biggest reverse sweep I'll ever see
raw ermine
bebebay?
worn falcon
Erster over Ana
dreamy cave
LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
worn falcon
wew
minor flame
that