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#esports-discussion
outer sluice
balmy wolf
charge reverse sweep?
upper hawk
would be interesting but theyre wasting this huge time bank they had
dreamy cave
THEY GOT THAT
tawny sigil
TooSlow9
dreamy cave
raw ermine
did charge lose?
supple prism
not yet
upper hawk
stil on
raw ermine
nah
upper hawk
dude they just gave up ALL that space
tawny sigil
drawable drawable
upper hawk
that was dumb. if youre gonna lost the fight lose it at the door and have a chance at another fight
they backed aaaall the way up to the cart
dreamy cave
drawable? they got crusaded in the first half of the map
outer sluice
Any charge fans wanna say anything before they get eliminated?
tawny sigil
dont ruin the 2 draw dream
never seen before, would be sad that it finally happened in a best of 4 but i'll take it
alright time to go to bed
upper hawk
time to study math and programming 
dreamy cave
||oh no||
outer sluice
Hah
tawny sigil
every prediction of guangzhou at the final is now irrelevant
raw ermine
F my bracket
upper hawk
148 elims
lol thanks. i dont rly mind doing math or studying at all
i just cant have a life
jagged crater
did marve1 lose weight?
upper hawk
he looks buff
upper hawk
gives jersey to guy with same jersey
hidden osprey
Did anyone get tokens in the last day or so?
I've not gotten a single one this weekend :/
jagged crater
marve1 with the rock kobes
upper hawk
usually no matter how many hrs i watch...i get 3 tokens once
pliant nebula
I got the 100 token drop today!
upper hawk
nice
pliant nebula
I need to decide which London Spitfire skin to spend on though.
hidden osprey
I only need 21 tokens to get the London Spitfire Winston skin
But for whatever reason I don't seem to be getting token drops
pliant nebula
Good for you. Unless I get another drop, I won't be able to get it in time. 
Have you watched the video where they unveiled it to the players?
gaunt acorn
raw ermine
chb sigma 1 trick
upper hawk
now thats hilarious
hidden osprey
oof
raw ermine
mvp rn??
jagged crater
you
upper hawk
lol. im pretty disappointed about that too. it wouldve been such a good story
raw ermine
0-40 team beating the 2 finalists
balmy wolf
really ironic dragons lost a map 8 on illios because they did the same thing in KR contenders
upper hawk
they should be proud of their season though
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf no slime to boop them into the pit this time, though
upper hawk
no one wouldve expected that going into this year
balmy wolf
instead they get beaten by london who got one last power boost
upper hawk
Dallas Fuel would like a word
molten skiff
how did my bois in black and gold lose
balmy wolf
thats not much to brag about
vagrant niche
👀
molten skiff
im just assuming they did
gaunt acorn
@zealous venture you can't fight the truth
vagrant niche
someone is upset
gaunt acorn
go fight huk if you're angry
molten skiff
cuz whenever i assume they are good they lose
gaunt acorn
he ruined your team
upper hawk
they pretty much smashed charge
balmy wolf
yes? Do you not have faith in your team?
upper hawk
Fits became a madman
balmy wolf
I kind of expected this from seoul, charge got an easy game on hunters
upper hawk
LOL Shanghai is gonna go into next season in great shape
theres nothing to be ashamed of from this season
upper hawk
oh youre a boston fan mb
thought you meant the dragons
2 SR 
"WE WANT MMR RESET"
fking LUUUUL
like everyone wont just fall right back into their normal rank. like mmr reset is the problem
molten skiff
lmao koreans
gaunt acorn
balmy wolf
you do realize dragons are a majority korean squad?
upper hawk
youd lose 90 percent of the players and most of the fans
gaunt acorn
boston was successful when they had a korean core
upper hawk
theyre just better than westerners at games. its been like this for a long time
their culture cares more about it
same lol
no we get governors blaming gaming for murders
but whatever
im happy to see the best players play
and its not americans
balmy wolf
damn someone's racist
upper hawk
we'd probably have better NA players but most ppl playing in this game in the region insist on trying to be DPS superstars
because its all about the glory
balmy wolf
dps is the flashiest role
upper hawk
yeah and thats literally american culture. bravado and flashiness
so its a natural choice
balmy wolf
only makes me prouder that the mvp of last season was a support player; Yea but that just means everyone else has to "Step the fuck up"
There's money in esports now and only more so later on, I'm sure other countries are gonna step up but it's gonna be a slow transition
upper hawk
yeah thats true. NA will get there
if it doesnt theres a looooot of huge businesses wasting alot of money rn
balmy wolf
I'm sorry you hate seeing people of a certain race or culture just win
upper hawk
i dont think theyre overrated. the ones in OWL are just completely better than the NA alternatives
balmy wolf
probs no
not next season, they're testing stuff out and going to likely be expanding in season 4
no their one the weakest regions in the game
same with AUS region
upper hawk
theres just been funding into esports there longer than here. for NA its reallu starting to rise the last few yrs
balmy wolf
yea thats painful
but they did well
but choke pretty hard on some maps
Like the c9 on kings row
sullen berry
the dream isn't not dead in the long term for shanghai
top 10
they moved up two places
from last year's 12 teams
ok
upper hawk
lol
balmy wolf
at least your team actually made play ins
sullen berry
^
balmy wolf
and they won a stage title
sullen berry
that's literally all i care about
balmy wolf
no one can have a stage title anymore
upper hawk
id like to see NYXL and SHD swap in top 6 next year
sullen berry
exceeding my expectations is great and all
and my investment by this point was thrashing the unknowns
hotba statistically was the better hotba
because is there is only one hotba
and what a flex
upper hawk
i mean London has been on the biggest stage. playoff experience is going to matter from here on out
teams that experience it will be calmer under pressure
sullen berry
did anyone's browser just kick them off the overwatchleague channel?
sullen berry
Adrian nothing's changed mate
balmy wolf
glads won 1 play off game but not a play off series
vagrant niche
someone is mad again
sullen berry
people were raging in those early season predictions for london and new york to take it this year
why would I be surprised now that it's coming true?
balmy wolf
Oh man season 2 early predictions
upper hawk
yeah. and id be happy with them getting to round two. lose to VAN? fine. expected no big deal
balmy wolf
those are funny to look back too
tawny sigil
why is next week so late on saturday... are they pulling a fast one on the staff
sullen berry
guangzhou lost by an unpredictable margin
upper hawk
all map 8s. matches til 4am
sullen berry
rip
upper hawk
2 hrs technical difficulties
im kidding
just base on their previous shenanigans so far
well actually for EST it would be late anyway
upper niche
Contenders Aus final starts in < 2 minutes BTW.
It's being played live at MEO. Winner plays Washington Justice.
storm cloak
Are there any contenders teamed that are better than current owl teams?
flat patio
tawny sigil
oh hey its that trophee that broke last year
upper niche
@storm cloak We might find out in 4 hours time. Winner of Contenders AU plays Washington.
But given that Washington are in peak form I doubt Order/Mindfreak would beat them heh
tawny sigil
is this a best of 5?
upper niche
I thought I heard them say First to 4 bit can't recall.
tawny sigil
this is taking an eternity to start
balmy wolf
they have been beaten before
balmy wolf
gonna be funny when the champion of AUS contenders doesn't win a game in gauntlet
tawny sigil
is the match hppening right after this?
if so its kinda weird, they will be on the highest adrenalina ever
balmy wolf
not sure
tawny sigil
expecting to perform?
balmy wolf
against justice? Maybe
tropic herald
When all 4 Chinese teams were in top 12 but only one of them will be in playoffs
tawny sigil
now imagine that but about american teams
tawny sigil
well most team are korean anyway
signed, signed off into the water
am i the only one watching this?
trim shadow
guangzhou beat chengud
shanghai fought a god and succumbed
and guangzhou got beat by neighbors
spark must feel the pressure
minor flame
Shanghai fought pretty well
though they took too long to wake up
causing them the series
tawny sigil
so sad
minor flame
Guangzhou couldnt expect Seoul
cause you rarely see
Fits Doom and never seen Marve1 Sigma
its a whole different meta so Seoul had the lucky surprise shift to take charge off their guard
I do hope Spark shows up
and is able to make it far
tawny sigil
dude its been 30 minutes since map 2... why is contender so elongated
upper niche
It's being played to a tournament schedule in an arena
Important point Jordan is talking about right now.
People don't realise that, forget that First to 4 is differen to Best of 7.
pearl stratus
I kind of don't care about the rest of the playoffs. The London v. Shanghai game is playoffs enough for me.
Saw multiple metas, saw lots of swaps, went to game 8.
I feel bad for the Philly fans who needed Dragons to lose badly to make them feel better about their bad team 😦
upper niche
Philly have just been an average team this season.
tawny sigil
boston is the definition of s1 shanghai
balmy wolf
Dallas and boston, both of them did decent in the 1st two stages (boston did worst). After that they both crumbled into dumpster fire teams.
I guess the reason why these teams only look decent was because their division were mostly terrible at goats.
Then they faced the ATL division and it all went downhill from there.
sullen berry
dallas threw it all away for long term development of their main tank
OGE just didn't play like he wanted to really be there in the moment from stage 3 onwards
which particularly odd, did it just amount to burnout?
balmy wolf
I mean, it wouldn't matter if OGE was is in top form, the team itself wasn't a great goats team at all.
tawny sigil
stomped
tawny sigil
this match against washington turned out to be fake news
mixing the winning team with washington and making those 2 hybrid team fight
i dont see the appeal
i wanted to see a contender team get destroyed by owl team
echo quest
Runaway gonna win Korea again
karmic grotto
why is their stream laggy
upper niche
meh, not really. At some point you have to figure out which region has the strongest competition.
Doing it based on previous years results is the easiest if not fairest way of achieving that - even if you just use the pool/stage results.
kindred dragon
how do i find out which team to cheer on xD
tacit lava
trim shadow
sullen berry
vale pond
trim shadow
There gonna destroy new york so
In my bracket it will be atlanta that sends em into losers
and i think
Shock defeats them
jagged crater
what patch was contenders on? didnt see sigma
balmy wolf
Which Overwatch pro mains Zenyatta?
sterile fox
jjonak maybe
tawny sigil
nobody else
night tusk
When was runner done with army stuff? Anyone knows?
pearl stratus
@balmy wolf Right now, no one. But if you to review last season/early this season thern you'd look for Jjonak, Viol2t, Sleepy, Bdosin, etc.
But right now Zenyatta isn't meta, so no one uses him minus rare comp swaps.
Right now its Moira Zzzzzz.
queen drift
Izayaki, Jjonak, Viol2t, Twilight, Bdosin are the best Zenyattas in the league
If you want English speaking zenyattas, Dogman, Unkoe, Sleepy, Shaz
balmy wolf
Best reaper mains?
dreamy cave
no game today?
willow moon
Nop
willow moon
Well he is brave that’s for sure but I don’t think it’s a bad idea per se
night tusk
We don’t even know who will play for 2020 and I don’t think it’s cool to know who is gonna be released on this AMA.
Someone mailed shock and they confirmed shock will resign everyone and that mail was shared on reddit. But if it did respond with mentioning who will be released would be imo stupid. Imagine you are the player who hear it this wat
Way
I do think boston will have some get released
Or resigned for 2020
willow moon
You think they’ll answer this kinda stuff? They can just say “we can’t openly say it as of now”
viral jacinth
Does anybody have any ideas on how to start a e-sport team
PURPLE IVY
Purple ivy
upper hawk
you could maybe ask the users that post their teams in #lf-players-na
im sure someone would be willing to lend some advice
ah sorry i mean to DM them
mods wont like the extra talk in the channel
balmy wolf
So what's the new meta in esports / OWL since they released 2 x 2 x 2?
native crescent
#nyxlforthewin
supple prism
here is sideshows genji https://clips.twitch.tv/DistinctBloodyVelociraptorKappaRoss
astral dust
Biggest carry
I'm doing a poll who do you think will win on the Saturday contenders match:
NYXL.
Spitfire.
gaunt acorn
hard to say given that we haven't seen nyxl in this meta
astral dust
ok
gaunt acorn
might as well bank on nyxl choking and go spitfire
astral dust
Yeah
Likely
But they may be crazy and kill everything
And 2-2-2 probably makes them stronger tbh
mental estuary
Im not going spitfire since they didnt seem this strong
karmic grotto
How will ATL perform 
Realistically, London shouldn't have won the match
Shanghai was hard choking
KING'S ROW
echo quest
Dallas fuel,Toronto defiant and Boston combined for an impressive 3-39
In the second half of OwL
dusk sphinx
I think Atlanta will be a top tier team in this meta since they're the only ones actually adapting on the balance changes in real OWL matches in S4
Vs lesser teams, but still
London didn't impress me in the slightest but Shanghai has the problem that their major strenght is their major weakness too
Dynasty impressed me A LOT
karmic grotto
Bro
If justice didn't had this goats meta
They would be legit top 6
Maybe even #1 (wait no, not first, Nyxl, Spitfire and Shock are there)
Will Dynasty finally not let us down?
dusk sphinx
Yeah Justice are good, deserved to be in playoffs MUCH more than Spitfire
I would argue the Valiant or Charge or Hunters deserve more to be in it than NYXL too
But NYXL was just that good at goats and they put up a good fight vs the Shock too, unexpectedly
But at least Spitfire shouldn't be in it... They even lost with the biggest deficit ever in Stage 4 vs the Reign
I mean that was pathatic on another level
trim shadow
So nadeshot and 100t isnt joining the cod leauge
I think that kills any momentum cod leauge couldve had
And apperantly faze hasnt bought a slot so
slate wraith
is mei still a thing?
quick gust
dusk sphinx
Well NYXL was different
Reign went full counter play vs them
Vs Spitfire Reign just played their own game
Also, NYXL lost 3-2
Spitfire got only 2 points during 4 maps
tropic herald
The thing about London rn is supposedly they were tearing up scrims on the current patch
And London gets playoff armor or some buff bc of the pressure of playoffs
dusk sphinx
What do you mean Playoff armor?
tropic herald
It’s like London is a whole different level during the playoffs
It feels like Playoffs makes them play better
dusk sphinx
Meh
Vs Dragons I didn't feel like they played convincingly
And Dragons are already a below average team
Despite what people say
tropic herald
Dragons were playing a comp that plays to their strength and they looked good doing it but London beat em
London v Shanghai was a very good match despite how poor they played in Stage 4
dusk sphinx
Yeah it was a good match to watch
But vs top teams they would never be able to play like this and win
Also let's not forget the Shanghai are almost Pharmercy OTP's at this point. Almost all games they won they played Pharmercy and almost all they lost they didn't play Pharmercy so....
The Spitfire beating the Dragons when the Dragons don't play Pharmercy isn't saying much imo
tropic herald
Shanghai was playing to their strength and it was clear that their dps had narrow pools
Hopefully London v NY goes the distance
Wouldn’t want to see either team go down without a fight
dusk sphinx
Well if NYXL plays like they did vs Shock
London might as well not even try
They will get swept
Also I just think it's sad that what might be the best match and the potential finals of the play-offs is in the 1st round already
umbral iron
dusk sphinx
Well concidering the average team atm are the Valiant... The Dragons are at least below average
And the Spitfire were awful Stage 4 too
hidden vault
So what are all your match predictions?
dusk sphinx
NYXL beating Spitfire but losing to the Titans
Then the Reign and Shock facing off in the finals
The Gladiators vs Shock and Reign vs Shock are too hard to predict for me
trim shadow
Seoul 4-2 van
Hangzhou 4-2 lag
London 4-1 new york
Atlanta 4-3 san fran
Seoul isnt in my@bracket so
Shit
dusk sphinx
What site is that?
hidden vault
If london managea to get into the finals?
dusk sphinx
That won't happen, even though they have one of the easiest paths to do so
trim shadow
So 100 thieves isnt joining cod leauge
And apperantly optic isnt either
And faze hasnt bought in
Cod leauge will fail
The buy in is 25 mil
Pretty sure the buy in to overwatch leauge s1 was around 10-15 mil
hidden vault
And if they did?
tropic herald
I think Seoul has the potential to go far seeing as Mave1 has had the strongest sigma so far
Marve1*
tropic herald
Well out of the play-ins I’d say only really Gesture and Marve1 looked great on him
dusk sphinx
Yeah Seoul was impressive
tropic herald
Though wouldn’t be suprised if one of Vancouvers tanks picked Sigma up
dusk sphinx
Still I don't think they're consistent enough
tropic herald
Do SMS, Stitch or Hooreg play doom?
tropic herald
They weren’t even good enough at that meta
Plus Sigma kinda makes Orisa Hog useless rn
dusk sphinx
No but they adapt worse than Napoleon invading Russia with meta shifts
tropic herald
Yeah that’s a given lol
dusk sphinx
Same with NYXL
tropic herald
The thing with VAN is once a meta stays they become insane at it
dusk sphinx
Although London is so bad I think they still win
tropic herald
If NY has Flow3r and Libero in the whole time they win
dusk sphinx
Yeah but how much is that worth? With the exeption of Goats the meta changed every stage
tropic herald
It’s not worth it rn bc the metas have been short spurts
cedar drum
GOD WHY CANT THE PLAYOFFS START TODAY
I'm do hyped after the last weekend
Shanghai V London and Charge V Dynasty were both such good gamesn
upper hawk
Just friendly reminder:
“Thinking about what it would be like to be in Philadelphia and win the Grand Finals...well, I would have to poop blood.” -Saebyeolbe
analysis
karmic grotto
Let's go ATL
karmic grotto
This week tho
Even though no hype is being spoken
It's a freaking hype week
As ATL fan, I can't wait to see how those 3 days earlier scrimming worked
tawny sigil
i website doesnt say which fight happen on what day
8 fight on week 2, 5 on week 3... doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me
karmic grotto
pearl stratus
wait why would you have a bracket where NYXL beats London?
That's just hilarious and wrong.
It's NYXL.
balmy wolf
Even tho NY have an advantage of knowing how spitfire play. They better have a sigma that can at least compete or just be out right better than gesture.
tawny sigil
jjonak on sigma
pearl stratus
I mean arguable. They saw London play in a way they can't match
Did you see how many styles London played against Shanghai?
NYXL can barely play one meta at a time.
Let alone 3-4.
balmy wolf
Yea you're right, london went full dive, try doom/reaper, then just went mcree pharah.
Somehow profit was able to not get destroyed by dding, and was actually matching him on the fly.
karmic grotto
It's getting closer and closer
limpid estuary
Playoffs are on 1.39 right?
tropic herald
They on the Sigma patch
upper niche
1.38?
balmy wolf
the patch OWL is on currently
tawny sigil
1.39
dusk sphinx
NYXL will just use raw mechanics to beat London if anything
They'll be much more adapted to this meta since they were always used to dive
And they got better at Orisa too
And I doubt London will get away with Pharmercy vs Jjonak
balmy wolf
London wasn't running pharah mercy as their main strat at all.
Also dumb to say a zen can take down a pharmercy by himself
Seeing that they got dumpster by the same strat in the stage 3 playoffs
dusk sphinx
Jjonak has proven he can do that let's be real
Also the Spitfire are just hoping Profit pops off at this point
And brute forcing isn't something you can really do vs NYXL
balmy wolf
Yes, lets rely on the zen to consistently take out a pharah mercy duo
Jjonak is one of the greats, but your putting him too high on a pedestal
dusk sphinx
Also they could always sub in Pine
balmy wolf
The player who has never played in season 2, what a great move
dusk sphinx
To beat NYXL you can't simply brute force like London did vs the Dragons
Maybe not, but be real, he's still great as hitscan in the right circumstance
balmy wolf
Flower seems to be the right pick over him rn
balmy wolf
In being a flex?
Probs can do it, but profit has a massive history of flexing to many different heros in owl.
Flower has only started to actually be used, instead of being a bench warmer.
balmy wolf
You're acting if NY has a good grasp of the meta, which neither of us can prove
dusk sphinx
True but looking at how they played in Stage 4
I think NYXL did better than Spitfire
And the meta hasn't changed that much
balmy wolf
This meta is reliant on aggressive dps play, with doom/reaper being the main dps duo
karmic grotto
or Pharah if you're Dragons
balmy wolf
Being passive like NY isn't gonna get you anywhere in this meta
balmy wolf
Against shit teams
dusk sphinx
So why won't it work now?
balmy wolf
Against crap teams in their own division
dusk sphinx
Shit teams? They only lost to Shock and Titans in the Goats meta
Anyways lets both agree though
dusk sphinx
If Spitfire don't beat NYXL, they might as well drop out
balmy wolf
They got murdered in the stage playoffs by the titans
dusk sphinx
No way they'll beat Reign or Shock
balmy wolf
NY in stages 2 and 3 didn't face a top 5 goats team
And then got destroyed in playoffs
If you took stage 2 shock and face against NY, then NY loses
balmy wolf
You shouldn't favor any team. Seeing as having a good sigma and doom is necessary.
And NY still got choker DNA in their veins
balmy wolf
Hotba got bodied by marvels sigma
The teams with the better tank duo are gonna demolish
dusk sphinx
In that case there isn't even any competition in this play-offs
Then the final can't be anything but Reign vs Shock
balmy wolf
She was part of a t3 team that form for 1 tournament I think. They got 2nd place.
Don't know what happen to the team after that.
little silo
I think the Reign are a bit overrated rn
karmic grotto
Are they?
Beating Spotifre, beating Justice
overrated
Win streak since ATL home
dusk sphinx
Reign really are just that good
They had the biggest win of the season vs a top 6 team
Not even a bottom tier team
balmy wolf
New meta, blank slate essentially.
balmy wolf
Different enough to constitute as a new meta
dusk sphinx
Maybe, but old meta isn't bad at all atm
Also Reign practiced the new changes in real matches in stage 4 as only team in the league
balmy wolf
Against crap teams
Truth be told; I do feel that they, and every teams are dealing with the sort of momentous shift of Role Que which kinda led a bunch of teams need to rely on individual talent that they had at the time; Like the Shock who were also doing good cause they had the players to do what was needed and the individual talent to make it work; I'm just expecting the teams with the best tank duo with sigma and orisa and a clutch doomfist to be the ones to win
dusk sphinx
Still they did really well with it
Vs lesser teams or not, that doesn't matter really
They're most familiar with it now
balmy wolf
meh I need to see their doomfist and Sigma plays before I can say they're super good in the current meta
Not really an advantage if everyone had been practicing on it for about 2 weeks
Or even longer
Like they're good at orisa and mei and reaper which like yea are in a weird meta state
I think Doomfist just taking over is gonna be the main factor as well as whichever tank duo can make orisa and sigma work the best
balmy wolf
I mean during map 4 when the other team basically gave up, had no chance at comebacks, and nothing really left to lose
that last map really was just them having a stupid fun time
for both teams
karmic grotto
dusk sphinx
I doubt Boston was having that much fun
karmic grotto
They were still struggling towards trolling reign
balmy wolf
You're mirroring Orisa Rein
karmic grotto
I mean C'mon, reddit Lucio
balmy wolf
you're not taking it seriously
karmic grotto
But in the end
dusk sphinx
Yeah like Gator getting sniped while teabagging 
karmic grotto
ATL became a bit seriously
balmy wolf
And Boston had nothing to lose or gain
karmic grotto
Gotta have that clean 4-0
dusk sphinx
Still Rein Orisa is common with Pirate Ship
That's just how you play it
It has been done before
Especially on Junkertown
karmic grotto
Now Orisa sigma
balmy wolf
Are you seriously going to try and argue that Atlanta was serious for map 4?
karmic grotto
you talking about strode
karmic grotto
For me it was obvious the trolling and having fun part
karmic grotto
You could see it in their faces when camera was in them
On
Waiting for that comms video of ATL
dusk sphinx
Yeah lol
forest raven
Boston got fucking boomed
balmy wolf
Then why you trying to back up the serious argument with "wElL rEiN oRiSa WaS dOnE bEfOre"
dusk sphinx
Especially when Gators BM got punished by the enemy Widow
forest raven
It was so one sided it stopped being funny then wrapped back around to being funny again
dusk sphinx
Someone said Boston was trolling too and not playing seriously
While they were playing seriously
karmic grotto
[NYXL had to free Pine]
balmy wolf
They stopped playing serious map 4 you don't mirror Orisa Rein in a map 4 after you lost the series while also already being eliminated from play offs
dusk sphinx
Well at least Boston didn't get wrecked nearly as hard as London by the Reign
I love to rewatch that match
karmic grotto
They put a good fight in Havana
Or was it Havana
Oh wait, hol up, I am mixing things up
dusk sphinx
Well that was the only map they put up a fight at all
karmic grotto
I think about fuel
dusk sphinx
Still the Reign made it to the end without too much effort
The 2 only points the Spitfire picked up during the entire series
That everyone was like: "Top 6 team LUL"
karmic grotto
karmic grotto
That's why the match vs Shock will let's us see how Reign are performing at the top
karmic grotto
So here's why the prediction is: if Reign beats Shock, then Reign will win grand finals
dusk sphinx
Well Reign did beat Justice already who could be concidered a top team in stage 4
forest raven
Reign lose to shock, go on a deep losers bracket run, lose to titans in losers final
karmic grotto
At least thats good
forest raven
That's a podium
karmic grotto
They came far and proved themselves worthy
karmic grotto
Gf?
trim shadow
Grand finals u pillock
dusk sphinx
I think Reign will beat Titans
trim shadow
Take into account
karmic grotto
Eventually go to grand
dusk sphinx
Winners final will be LA Glad vs Shock
dusk sphinx
Yeah
karmic grotto
Hydration Sigma, here we gooo
dusk sphinx
Both are very good teams
dusk sphinx
Reign vs Shock will be the finals mark my words
karmic grotto
4 scenarios here
- Shock beats Reign but they will meet at GF
- Reign beats Shock but they will meet at GF
- neither of them will be in GF
- only one of them
forest raven
Shock v Titans or Shock v Spitfire will be finals I reckon
dusk sphinx
If Spitfire play like they did vs Dragons they won't even beat NYXL
dusk sphinx
And Dragons are hardly a mid tier team already
forest raven
Man's literally the best pharah on the planet
dusk sphinx
Yeah but that didn't stop other teams beating him in Stage 4
forest raven
Stage 4 wasn't double shields
This meta is pretty good for doom and pharah both and dragons have jinmu and dding
dusk sphinx
Last stage was even easier for Pharahs to do stuff
echo quest
Who gets sparkle?
echo quest
My money is on spark or NYXL
forest raven
Philly probably
echo quest
That is if philly offers him
forest raven
Ye
dusk sphinx
This meta is probably the worst for Pharah this entire season
karmic grotto
Dude, I'm waiting for my man Alarm
karmic grotto
Could be
echo quest
Eqo and Xzi is fucking nasty
karmic grotto
Carpe is washed up ngl
forest raven
I hope RunAway gets picked up as a squad
echo quest
Sparkle turns 18 in March my guy
echo quest
May*
forest raven
Sugarfree's like 43 what you talking about
Man's just not accepting any offers because he's too chad for money
echo quest
Sparkle stage 3 and 4
echo quest
Changsik isn’t great
karmic grotto
Why paying carpe huge amount
When you can pay xzi the same
And xzi will actually do work
echo quest
It was a 2 year contract
karmic grotto
Players will be dropped for sure, yet I wonder for ATL, who will be dropped
Seems like the coaching is good, but
I don't know, current roster has such great synergy
Dogman, Masaa, FunnyAstro, Gator, Pokpo, Daco, FRD, Nlaaer, Babybay, Erster
trim shadow
at this rate
considering the game are today
the 2 best teams or 2 most likelys to make GF is shock and atlanta
and london and seoul honestly are close seconds
just because weve seen what they can do with signa
sigma
at least seoul cause marvel went ape shit on sigma against guangzhou
i doubt mano or meko can adapt fast enough
jjanu is a question mark and i doubt bumper will pick up sigma
the same question applys to lag and hangzhou
will guxue or ria pick up sigma
or will hydration or roar pick up sigma
little silo
We might see a Hydration Roar tankline
Since Hydration has a pretty good Orisa and has played a lot of Sigma(at least in ranked)
Or maybe Void Hydration
and then next map Hydration just gets up and switches seats with Decay to play Fist/Pharah
that would be amazing
forest raven
My present for finishing this poetry essay is playoffs feelsgoodman
karmic grotto
We know that, they are not scrimming with the main team, hence why being a 2-way gets its meaning from
minor flame
Next season Daco could get dropped
I wouldve said Babybay might get replaced but its kinda hard to tell
little silo
Nlaaer and Babybay could both be replaced
trim shadow
imagine thinking atlanta will make moves dropping people
if anything theyll fill out the roster
so moving astro and gator up to the team so if pokpo gets burnt out
he can trust gator
and the same goes for masaa
daco is technically the back up to frd
or they work in unison
only move i would make is signing another dps..maybe at the flex
they have 0 reason to drop babybay or nlaeer
considering there both performing
copper solstice
Uh, I think nlaaer could be replaced but he is still trying his hardest to be the best of abilities
trim shadow
get back under the bridge troll
copper solstice
No, it’s just my opinion 
rare magnet
are they only gonna play one match in the philly arena?
tropic herald
Grand finals that’s it
pearl stratus
Gator is just a meh Super, imo. His tank pool is not that great, I don't foresee him replacing anyone yet.
naive garden
let FRD main tank lol
mighty bane
I'm just watching the spitfire vs dragons play ins, dding is crazy and everything but like, did anyone else find it super boring lol? The first few games were different comps, hero pool variety, cool fights etc, then it was just pharmercy battle, seemed like even profit was bored
balmy wolf
Owl is so much more enjoyable to watch with 2-2-2
double shield meta is real enjoyable
stage 3 totally wasn't the best
Well they can fix that by making Mercy or something buff shield damage, but it's far, far more enjoyable than 3-3 mirror matchup every game.
I mean it's a mirror still
The current match has 3 of the 6 mirrored.
Now 2
The meta supports seem to be moira and maybe lucio? Ana I think is seeing less play time now cause it's harder to get value as Ana, zen is dead, so you try to make the remaining 3 work cause brig is also dead
DPS it's just who has a competent Doomfist, Who can Sym, and Who can Pharah
occasional McCree but he hasn't been impressive this meta
I didn't watch at all during 3-3 but I've been watching 2 days now and might actually reinstall, I can relate to the builds more. As you say that, I'm the match on now
I've seen: sigma, hamster, Orissa, pharah, reaper, doonfist, McCree, Lucio, Moira, Ana, mercy, baptiste
And symmetra
sullen berry
Patch 4 days
trim shadow
Stage 3 was essentially worser then hitting q to win stage 1
It turned into who can emp faster
And basically force the enemy team to log off the server
sweet shell
2-2-2 > goats from viewers perspective
trim shadow
Agreed
worn hornet
I just realized how huge a mistake I made scheduling a family visit this weekend
sterile fox
yep
tawny sigil
im an owl fan because dj khaled led me here... hype to see him in philly
karmic grotto
mighty bane
I love 2-2-2 just found the whole pharmercy thing in the match boring
echo quest
Honestly philly should buy OGE dude is an insane tank when he’s on
I honestly his play towards the end of the season is because of a mental boom
Going 1-13 must fuck u up mentally
Think *
karmic grotto
OGE to Fusion, then Trill stays with Dallas and with coaching he gets better?
/s Coaching
echo quest
The coaching turned Note into pepega
trim shadow
reasonable assumption
echo quest
Doubt trill gets better with the current coaches
trim shadow
but what makes u think phillys coach will be better when philly had just a mediocre season as dallas
echo quest
Ah I’m hoping they make a coaching change
trim shadow
pretty much eqo brought philly to playoffs
hybrid helm
Do you guys think Seoul can take Vancouver out?
tropic herald
It’s do able
hybrid helm
In this meta it seems that a good sigma and dps can carry
Seoul has an amazing sigma and also good reaper doom strat
tropic herald
Fits completely shut down Eileen on doom so I’d say they have the doom player at least
hybrid helm
I think haksal has good doom let’s see how he fares vs fits
tropic herald
I’d say Eileen was the best doom going into play offs tbh
hybrid helm
Yea in this meta doom can run in and out safely there’s basically no stuns right?
Mei reaper comp with Orisa sigma
There’s sigma stun but that’s it
tropic herald
Well Double Shied shits down basically all of dooms counters so it’s pretty good for him
hybrid helm
Yea
But I’m afraid shock will still carry with rascal Mei
Maybe he’ll still make it work because he’s so good but idk
Mei can’t farm ult in this meta really
tropic herald
Mei isn’t that great into doom reaper imo
hybrid helm
Yea she can’t really catch them
I think also Fleta doing lots of work under the radar by playing smart and safe
Fleta gas always been a big brain dps imo
Rarely feeds
Fits doom has been so good
I think Sinatraa and fits have shown best dooms so far
queen drift
youngjin? :p
woven hill
Looking for a support and a main tank player for an American tournament, please DM me if interested
rose flower
Why does everyone insist Overwatch and OWL is dying when almost everything says otherwise. I legit had someone tell me Blizzard should stop comp and focus on quickplay, the "larger" playerbase. I also heard another player insist quickplay is bigger than comp. Where is all this misinformation coming from?
shy shore
@rose flower 
how is the OWL dying lmao
rose flower
Exactly, it isn't but people won't stop saying it is
Isn't marvel sponsoring San Francisco now?
shy shore
^
balmy wolf
which truth be told; I'd put more on Blizzard's marketing
Like besides wandering through a walmart to get groceries and seeing an Overwatch food pack, I haven't seen much marketing for it
oh wait
and legit cause I just remembered this and not sarcastic
The Overwatch Lego sets that were on twitch for like a while but that wasn't really promoting the league itself
karmic grotto
Lucio oos
I never saw them on EU supermarkets, but I know people bought them somewhere in the US
hidden osprey
Ayyy, I got my tokens from the other day
Seems like it was super delayed, at least I got my Winston skin now 🙏
copper pier
f
hidden vault
I thought mineral was kicked out of mayhem?
Cause he sucks?
What happens to Gunba lol
molten skiff
overwatch is on switch, but it's weird that having twitch on switch is a better overwatch experience
trim shadow
sullen berry
@molten skiff I'd rather be streaming hi resolution gameplay too, instead of being locked to standard 30fps if it doesn't break smooth 60fps
Imagine playing on switch
molten skiff
yeah i thin it's 30 too
i hope im wrong
tho im not buying it
i watch league a lot more than actually play the game so
sullen berry
I'll buy it for my flatmate so she finally knows what I'm on about
Also it'd be more satisfying when she gets her first win as sym
molten skiff
league viewer is PC only right?
sullen berry
And maybe even watch an owl stream rascal or haksal pops off on symmetra
sullen berry
We don't know if it will have replays, which I would probably enjoy
You will have analog sticks on the rego switch
Considering the mini because nobody really plays their multiplayer games on the go without mobile Hotspot
DPad ftw
upper niche
Motion Control
raven violet
WH OMEGALUL
raven violet
thats why I don't know him(also the fact that i dont watch esports)
gaunt acorn
i mean, you're in the esports discussion channel
karmic grotto
Who's the MVP of this year?
balmy wolf
Likely Sinatraa
balmy wolf
they were on the same team
hidden vault
Yes they were
U4's leave date 2017-11-19
Guxue's join date 2017-03-??
Ok I guess there was a period
red anvil
its true but guxue was not great under him
trim shadow
did captain plannet
really say
atlanta would go 0-2
but get eliminated
by fucking new york
loads shotgun someone gone die tonight
little silo
"Guxue was taught by him" He is literally the reason Guxue wasnt considered good until the World Cup
But U4 has apparently been on the team since Stage 2
and had a 3 month probation period to prove himself so I guess the decision makes some sense
echo quest
To be fair the teams he went to after SHD had decent results
sterile fox
when’s the mvp getting announced?
pearl stratus
You have to remember that most people who talk about Shanghai last season literally have no clue how the game works. It's why you shouldn't take this channel serious because its the smoothest of brains.
Don't forget we had people argue that Sigma wasn't going to get play time because D'va was still better.
trim shadow
wonder if him being on the coaching staff will effect there playoff run
hes not a interal factor like hes playing the game but the coaching philosophy's
its gonna take more then guxue's winston to get them deep in playoffs
balmy wolf
I’d welcome spark trying something different than orisa signa but I doubt it
trim shadow
hangzhou on paper should be one of the best at dive compared to being mid table for double shield
balmy wolf
True but that doesn't mean they'll actually play it
little silo
being good at dive is good for them but what is dive gonna do against double shield and a doom
dusk sphinx
Orisa Sigma hasnt been played that much in playins though
Most was Sigma Dva
Or Dive
Or Orisa Dva
trim shadow
well for one i believe ria is a decent dva and ofc guxue is the best winston in the world the only weak links are godsb and adora apperanlty adora is good at the genji but genji is gonna get bitched by doom so ill assume adora will pick up the doom and godsb will do the reaper sym duty's
which he isnt bad on
the dive will come in to play for lets say kings row
or control
jagged crater
is he
balmy wolf
Really do think he would have been a great MVP candidate
jagged crater
so many people think he's #1 offtank
balmy wolf
yea but why isn't he on the MVP list if that were the case
jagged crater
guess he didnt stand out as much in goats
or rather dva competition was a lil closer
but it's more clear outside of dva
if we're talking popularity, titan players took most of the korean votes prob
while westerners voted for sinatraa or super
nevix tho, he's prob never gonna get playtime with choi on the team
cept for garbage time games
balmy wolf
I don't think there will be garbage time games anymore
tired drift
when your school has an esports team and overwatch is avalavle
balmy wolf
mainly cause we're in play offs rn
jagged crater
referring to if nevix and choi still on the team together next season
night tusk
If titans lose today, they are not out right?
I know atleast if shock losses that they will go down on playoffs and can still rank up to finals
balmy wolf
if titan's lose they're moved to the loser's bracket
if they lose there
they will be knocked out
upper hawk
LETS GOOOOOOOO
feral wing
