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ASHEFIST IS META
lol
š¦ ASHEFIST IS META š¦
come on lol
if shu nanos bob
ill follow this statement
happy ded
welp
eileen pls
eileen is popping the fuck off

i can see it being sym, mai, orisa, zarya/sigma, lucio, and moria/mercy/bap
nah not zarya
zarya will be barely played
the only reason you wanna play zarya is etiehr
rein zarya
or zarya with reaper
Orisa Zarya you bubble the reaper
BOB
Jinmu is a very godly junk
PogU
jinmu just woke up
Ez
Hey this reminds me of an ow video
There was this guy talking about this exact point
And how its important not to rush sym comps
To give up a tick and stay in high ground get a pick and move in
Funny cuz that's what happened
big anti ez clap
Yes
lets if happy gets subbed out
U watched it too? @mental estuary
be ml7 all day as ana
Cuz he said as soon as they step through teleporter made their butt
nah i only watch ml7 and he just anti'd the entire team twice when the symm tried to rush point with her tp
like
honestly
twice
theres no reason to put happy in
i mean
there is
he played ashe
and his ashe was kinda good
yeah
he deserves respect for playing angry women
subb happy only to play reaper most of the time
doesnt fit meta since this meta shits on every hitscan
that happy sub made no damn sense
this meta is very dps centric
you can only do so much as a tank or support
you have to rely on your dps to pop off
^
you have to rely on them for shield break
every fight in this meta is a standoff
eileen is doing what seems like most of the work on doomfist
Which is why I dont like this meta
Orisasig with so much sustain
But I love role lock
eileen is a monster p much
7hp? no big deal
i can still one shot anything that isnt a tank

honestly
I would rather like to have non role lock with Sigma added in than role lock with Sigma
cause this ended up like a clusterfuck
Fact
well
we will be able to try more sigma non role lock when the classic qp will strike in arcade tbh
Dont add hero bans for comp but for owl plssssssss
i legit wanna try
I think ti wouldve been more interesting at this point to not have added role lock and to add in sigma non role lock
cause sigma orisa will still be very strong
but there will still be a diverse amount of comps
rialto 
to actually be creative enough to counter it
222 was gonna happen anyways lol
They want OWL to be on basically the same patch as live
222 was basically worked on for a year after the community begged for it
so wether it came stage 4
or 2020
it was coming
its funny
everyone went from
YES 222
WOW 222 HAS BEEN AMAZING
and now its just been
i like 2 2 2
worse goats mood
so you and the rest of this chat?
i just dont think its good for owl
me?
owl deserves to be creative
i never fully liked 222
222 is good but they havenāt fully balanced the game for it yet
i never really supported 222
they need to revert the changes they made when goatsa was to op
they ran deathball
they're pros they can do anything and make it work
and then they ran hack goats
Owl has never been creative
they're not braindead bots thinking they can 1v6 in a comp game
honestly
if youre gonna have a single hero solely responsible for the speed of the game
maybe its better to not make him like that
i would revert lucio since i didnt play the real speed lucio
Kapep
nero
hello
they could add another hero with some kind of speed boost?
u on lsd or smth
s y m
as long as you have a pharah that can contest the other pharah
you dont really need a hitscan
i thought they were gonna get that
kill both pharamercy
go back to their shit
kapep
this tracking
is pretty sick
ngl
yvetal is too good
that was pretty tense
oof that was close
that kill feed just exploded
i dont even know what the fuck just happened
i just saw bodies hit the floor
yvetal best mercy in league?
idk man
yes
neptuno is also some scary shit
this is known
iirc
yvetal has been consistent all year
real talk, do you think Pharah should be reverted?
oh yeah, i think neptuno is better
Neptuno?
to where she was leaning more splash damage than directs
i love coma's mercy
and they play ballsy
but hes not 
take opportunity of the team
not as much
he tried to eat punch
4Head
yvetal hello
how did u kill doom
kyo 
yeah i think so too
but got decked
damn i missed a bit
bro
omg
Just saying this meta still varies
they were a pretty close together
when its ot you can always aim for a 6 man emp anyway
Full dive
tank meta doesnt vary
like, not as much
Also we need to see good teams play, to be fair.
But idk
This is one game.
Haha
And neither of them are playing very well with double shields
YXL hitscan specialist to sym main
nero jesus christ
Nero is litteraly bitch slapping chengdu
nero is absolutely shitting on jinmu and i like it 
Honestly If chengdu can shut down nero
Guangzhou falls apart
It was the same with happy and eileen
Guangzhou is basically this years philly
HE TURNED IT AROUND
Yep jinmu is awake
so it is really that
shut down nero
hack him
do whatever
and then jinmu has room
Jinmu x'D
= this years philly
Ppl defending this meta just because ppl complain about every meta is fuckin stupid
emp no value? rip
waisted nano
they're walking in lol
they let them past the best choke
ah
gg
Technically this is a snowball huh

Make space for jinmu =win
Awe
Charge is just better at sigma/orisa
is there a game tommorrow??
Screw this play echo
Barely better, but enough
There is 2 tomorrow
It's mostly Eileen.
Enough to make ameng go back to ball
Jinmu being both their Pharah and Doomfist hurts.
I would say bring out bacon but hes just a weaker yxl
Because the air battle leaves no one to really stop Doomfist
āJustice has embraced meā
if only leave was old enough
I love that line
I'd put YXL on Mei, personally but I'm pretty sure he's a shit Mei
Whats next Control again?
If chengdu cleans up some lose ends
Control should be theres
Its escort and hybrid where theyre weak
They lost cause they really had no answer to nero
Guangzhouā game in the making
i g2g but ill be back
Pick your poison
Pretty sure ults are suppose to charge 12% slower
But then again this is high level ow
Yeah I can clearly see that
they give no fucks
Yall
Just put me in 222
I'll play the most useless hero u can think of
And lose comically
torb
Soldier
torb is never useless Kappa
the 12% ult reduction is kinda
Ez
barely noticable most of the time
Especially if ur pharah
Even then
I think chengdu is boomed
Sombra can farm EMP charge
Go in get some headshots on a phat tank
Get out
Ez charge
in reality the 12% ult reduction is a bandaid fix
Chengdu is elimi ated?
probs
Shu just told chengdu to take a shower
mmm phat antis
Welp at least my bracket hasnt been broken yet
Score?
i'd be boomed too if my pharah keeps on losing pharah duels and yxl is literally getting farmed by everyone
soon to be 4-1 charge
I love chengdu but they still need to improve themselves as a team
Pretty sure if leave was jinmuās dps partner They would be back in the fight
even with this match i still wouldve preferred chengdu in and valiant out
Chengdu is gonna be scary next year
Chengdu wasting the play-in spot Valiant should have had
All chengdu needs is leave And jiqiren and ameng to improve
my honest opinion
Everyone else is consistent
is that Valiant wouldntve gotten far
that stage 3 was their peak
and theyve clearly fallen out of it
Leave is nutty
Gee gee
Just not consistency ?
Chengdu gone home
Ez
Breaks my heart
yvetal
Yeah, Valiant had a horrible strength of schedule in stage 4
Valiant peaked against VAN but they arenāt bad they just arenāt good
GOOOO
But they aren't playing seriously
YVETAL HOLY SHIT
YVELTAL WTF
What
ACTUAL PLAY MAKER
YVETAL YOU DIDNT DESERVE TO LOSE
To be fair, they might rather spend this offseason grinding PokƩmon masters
Waif I didnt know there was a 5th match!!
it sucked ass
Ameng needs some more Rare candys
LA died for this
HUNTERS NO
with how Valiant performed
Itās a wild ride, with dena on the loose @minor flame
we got to see some 
No I didnt watch it
Itās basically Diablo legends for Nintendo fans
Pokemon Masters is a repetitive grind of grinds
and the gameplay is very
not fun
its just waiting for your move to appear
Explain
Can Valiant just ask to move to the Atlantic League? ez wins
basically Guangzhou rolled
Shame
Just play Mystery Dungeon
Valiant is gonna get dicked in 2020
Itās is very profitable despite the grind, auto play and other expected mechanics that were pulled off well
Vancouver Shock and gladiators
Valiant is like mid tier
In the same division
Hong Jun CHOI BOI
I think Chengdu is like mid to low mid tier
LA can be in top form again
love me some ReBa
I cant rank Chengdu
They need time tho
Chengdu has top 5 potential when leave gets there
All the new Chinese teams coming into stage 1 were mid rank
And that would be impressive, but the Korean exchange was what makes them legit strong contenders for the play ins
Hangzhou was the best CN team
but i actually would liek tha tsurprise
Nothing more
And i still believe they are
Hangzhou has been consistently the best CN team
Guangzhou is kind of
not far behind
hes gonna get her number
Guangzhou is a dark horse
I really found sleeper love for GZ
^
oof thats cringe
Bro
that is going to be so hard to see
Bro itās kinda cute
Hotbaās is filled with hormonal rage at this moment right now
thats black ink on dark blue
nero man was popping off the whole series
What is hotba 19?
i think hes 20
Guangzhou has really clean colors too
ok Philly vs Shanghai
Not rlly
Roll a dice
hotba dosnt just have sex guys, hotba fucks.
Thats how u can tell
And the community compared to Dallas and The Fuel arenāt about being hot shit
im gonna flp a coin
oof. yeah as a philly native this is gonna be hard to watch
next match starting an hour early
I think Shanghai bc Doom Pharah
I gotta work at 7 so ig i can thank chengdu for ending the game before 12
8 pm instead of 9 pm
Early finish games gg
ok
the coin said Shanghai
so im saying Shanghai
i would prefer Shanghai to win but
Shanghai are kind of in a rough spot
Well since we saw alot of doom
I believe it would have to go the distance
Its shanghai
Philly has no doom
THE FUCK OFFF ON DOOM
Fusion has their name today
HACKFIST TIME
Shanghai is gonna dick philly
Round 4 of the pacific showdown
its kind of unfortunate that the only meta comp i look forward to the most
is Hackfist
but ngl
Hackfist is very entertaining to watch
compared to the other comps
Good doom play is very pleasing for a spectator
Doom is fundamentally
weird
hes feed or pop off
and it might seem shitty to play as or against
I would say run brig but
but its very entertaining
Itās all about that wall damage
when it pops off
- Brig got reworked
dude Brig Lucio Rein Zarya Hackfist
- They removed her shield
goats time
- She works like a MS now
You watch them land a hit and it doesnāt deal itās max potential itās kinda stress inducing
she barely has utility like Rez or Anti
It can be a great setup or the wrong target
Ms?
main support
idk how ppl say shes good
Main support
cause shes definitely just trash
Hmmm
the only reason you wanna play brig is with a lucio
otherwise brig is pretty useless
so what is the best doom counter if you dont want to run your own?
Hog
doom but act first 4Head
itās just like the moira trailer 

Doom counter is awareness
Iām sticking around only for the quality team comps and or Sado feeding
Stuns make it easier
Mickie with the roid arm
His performance at GF compared to now I canāt see a huge difference in coordination
its not gamsu?
Can it be?
gamsu punching air right now
Wings out for your boy Custa
Custa is very active with the community
Custa makes sense, not at all upset about that.
Did a ton of work for St. Jude too this year.
Yeah props for dedicating that bench time
were sorry valiant you got clapped at your homestand were going to give custa the interhulk reward
Custa stole my girlfriend 
University of Michigan just did a roster Unveil for their overwatch esports team
Witness the team that will overcome adversity, bearing the Michigan Legacy in the 2020 Tespa Championship!
Yes I do recall
This is a college esports team
Real as they get
I'm not anywhere good enough
Iām assuming you have something mind at college and take it up wherever Tespa is available
Iām not from the states, so Iām not steeped into it
Hmmm
Check the other competitive ow discord servers if you want to find folks who know more
Youngjin time
Also I put philly for winning
How many tokens for a correct pick?
Tryna get that winston skin
15 away
you can also get tokens for playing tank in comp sometimes
Reee
Luffy is just as good if not better
Imagine knowing owl players
This is the first league I'm watching all the way through
Or close enougb
Why is Izayaki in?
well shit
i guess
theres the fucking sym mei
nope
slams desk
craving that carpe diem widow duel
Izayaki kills Carpe
youngjin is fucking feeding 
Philly is doing good on ult economy
horrible flux
Nou
where was shanghai looking?
CARPE HAHAHAHA
its depressing how stage 4 games have more views than the big playoffs
im so ded
These aren't play offs though
dude
i didnt even know playins started today
I didn't overly care
I like the more dps combinations though
but the Tankline is
obviously disappointing
f

Playins are whatever
There's only variation too because we're a weekbehind
Iāll watch the Guangzhou games and thatās it
So we don't have sym tickrate
If the sym/zarya tick rates were there it'd be like ladder
It's 1.39, it has the tick rate changes
Diem to carep: your my bitch
But this patch is before the Sym nerf
ez gg
jesus christ diem
People thought Shanghai was bad in Stage 4 (and they were)
But it wasn't because they're bad.
They just had no Mei player
I expect dragons to win this and lose to seoul
Don't really need Mei anymore.
they dont face seoul
they play london
Alright lose to london then
baguette sponsored ad
the pov cams are a visual cluster fk
"yo mic is so loud"
lol
lowkey feels like philly hasnt practiced the patch
since they hard forced mei reape
rasengan
lol
Corey and stratus concern me
Like their weirdos but I love em

I mean
more mei reaper
oof
Philly mei reaper????
yea philly isnt gonna win
im loving these counterpicks
SymMei is the meta over Mei Reaper
Philly said force old meta
it's only day 1
this is the early stages of a meta
It'll probably be Sym Doom more in OWL, which I mentioned earlier.
their coaching staff making mad errors
Sigma can eat too much of Mei's kit, when no one else has much for him to eat.
I expected a crap ton of doomfist
i expected doomfist
Because he doesn't give a fuck about shields.
I expected Doom Sym, but its looking like OWL Dooms are good enough to take her out quickly.
Whereas Ladder they can't.
I like counterpicks for meta
Good to know the meta will still be pretty good for Shock
but the tankline and support line
patch 1.39 revived the dragon?
Sinatraa gets to keep playing
stays ever the same
I thought about how hes gonna die if he doesn't block spawn
can they set a record there
And it happens
All these shields
Best Doomfist wins
shee nann
they're not learning
this is looking bad for them
or maybe not idk
nano symm
that sond
sound
is terrying lol
damn this liquipedia page is confusing
been like that for 4 stage, where have you been?
^^
ive seen some first holds e.e
but yeah most of the time first point defense just seems not possible lol
what map?
how does first point defense not exist?
dont underestimate the power of Overtime for the attacking team
x2 damage when overtime is active
yep
they're not gonna get a 6v6
Oh god, please let it be a Sigma force C9
oh wow they got it anyway
@tawny sigil what?
and somehow made it because yougjin survived with like 3hp vs carpe
and the nano helped
Philly 
they all died super late and had to walk from last spawn all the way to the arc
nuts
^
yep
need more beer sponsor... these trihard sponsor are so pepega
^
brig?
?
Tracer for smash?
sounds like you want eqo brig
last match was suposed to start at 9pm... at this rate its gonna be over before 10pm comes around
the power of the last push compels you
is there another match after this?
No
no
tommorow the 2 last match of the playin are happening and then that's it for the week
Approaching escape velocity!
im gonna have to rewatch both of these b4 tommorow
ive literally been pulling an all nighter so philly better come back
tomorrows games
the power of the last push compels you!
carpe 6k!!
yep last push as usual
philly should be able to hold second
judging by that point a defense
also shanghai will get a worse time
that youngjin doomfist is scary though
dragons are looking like they never staggered a bit in the beginning of stage 5
I just hope philly can make that come back happen
if they lose this map then they have to win 4 maps in a row
why is philly so insistent on reaper mei
get fucked
THAT was close
that was some clutch symm play but didnt work out cause too many dead people
philly literally cant lose an attack on this round
Cant u be normal for once
if they do then they will be behind in ult economy
if he reallly fraged out it would have been over
2:19
+30
if they cap
if they cap its probably draw
welp
LETS GO
talk about 300iq
big brain
Dragon got confused, it's super effective
Mcree even

Time for a draw?
it hurt itself in confusion
Imagine an ultimg mcree rein picks up shield and mcree locks on but csnt get kills
Oke teleporter boi puts him in backline
they are looking bulky asf
i would have ran sombra for emp to remove shields
SO EVEN
the reades
EZ
look at philly's look... "all that work for nothing"
Hey yall I cant ser community announcements channel
wjat
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i think u mean "all that for a drop of blood" @tawny sigil
get out of here you normy
wait so since its first to 4, its like this map just didnt happen then?
because neither team got closer to 4
isn't that line stolen from the predator anyway
idk
"if it bleeds, we can kill it"
at least philly are turning the momentum a bit
or something
they didnt lose anubis
do u think without role lock it would be tripple shields?
without role lock it would be goats
super goats 4-2
it would be goats n sombra goats
sit down, spawn of satan!
you can't draw on payload

u say that and then all of a sudden. youngjin just activates
me and the boys, throwing in comp.
yeah but lets hope that eqo or carpe pops off instead
i dont see why philly dont play anything other than reaper, mei, orisa, sigma, moira and lucio
i am going to miss hanzo being meta
philly is good at choking
how much health does bastion have??? jesus
3000
apparently
imortality field, plus pocket is 3000
I'm like 40% sure
his base hp is 300
no, bastion has 300
it's been awhile since I touched him
but i was joking
its a joke
ahhh
since he wasnt dying
philly looks way better in this map XD
yup
wait since its a draw does shanghai need 2 more or 1 more map?
2
CARPE CLUTCH
its first to 4
kk
It's a first to 4
basically
really philly all you need was one more fight win



