But oh well.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
upper hawk
i guess its alright if dva can
pearl stratus
He didn't want it being a huge thing, but its just how it ended up.
Beyond that he can also eat Dragons
But fuck me the timing on that is tough.
Because you really have to get your shift right where the arrow ends up/in its path
balmy wolf
Also the hanzo has to be an idiot to shoot that close
But goddamn, strange to think that rn the two most busted heros are tanks rn
upper hawk
what teams were best at bunker this season?
balmy wolf
Any top team in stage 4
There also scrim bucks towards London rn since apparently profit is a good sym
But rn whoever has the best sigma is likely gonna carry the team
upper hawk
meh idk how i feel about GLA then
pearl stratus
Tanks have always been pretty busted in OW to be fair.
upper hawk
idk how their sig play is but their tanks are their weak point
despite Void going off recently
pearl stratus
Right now its going to be whichever team gets over wanting to kill themselves
To just play well.
upper hawk
lmao
balmy wolf
Hydration rn is at the top of the leaderboard playing tanks
pearl stratus
Because right now most people want to kill themselves with double shield lol
Hydraton is LAG's best orisa.
So.
There's that.
upper hawk
who wouldve thought sym and reaper would be relevant this season
pearl stratus
My favorite is that 2-2-2 lock just got us more sustain goats comps.
Nothing changed for pros.
Poor Blase went from Brig Jail to Hog Jail.
upper hawk
thats exactly what it feels like
pearl stratus
He'll probably go to Sigma jail next.
balmy wolf
Sustain is the new norm of comps and it will stay like that for a while
balmy wolf
RCK twitter
pearl stratus
Everything's said he was sick.
But rCK isn't really an off-tank imo.
He plays a decent D'va.
But his hog/zarya are questionable at best and he's more a DPS that learned to flex to D'va.
Than an offtank that learned to flex to DPS.
balmy wolf
Doesn't help that he has eye injuries rn
pearl stratus
Agree.
I'm more saying even without them there's a good chance he wouldn't have been playing Hog.
Which is dumb.
balmy wolf
Hotba has been doing great from being the guy who flex on most dps and can play a good dva and hog
pearl stratus
What really annoys me about this meta though
Is that its one of the first ones thats actually trickled down to ruin a LOT of peoples days.
Like Goats was bad, we all knew it outlived itself.
But it really only lived in GM/Masters.
And masters was rare.
It was mostly GM/Top 500.
Dive? GM. The coordination required was too high for lower tiers (they could pick the right heroes, but the actual play wasn't done)
Etc.
Orisa Sigma Sym?
Works at every SR level.
balmy wolf
This meta actually lives in low ranks
pearl stratus
I have friends getting tilted at it in Plat through Masters.
balmy wolf
Which is a sign that the meta is too broken because its so easy to pick up
balmy wolf
But holy shit in the matches I play, you gotta have tanks who press W in order to win
Since sym is needed to counter
pearl stratus
I stopped playing again honestly.
Visually its not what I want to deal with after staring at my screen at work all day lol
balmy wolf
Honestly this meta is too much even for me, so much shit going its straining to look at
Doesn't help that the game is so bright
karmic grotto
@pearl stratus This is the shittiest meta for real. I totally understand you
Like that guy posting that video on twitter, you get seizures from it
pearl stratus
It's just so much going on.
Also as dumb as it sounds
I hate playing Sym.
So I'm either queueing as Support and playing Moira (who I don't love either), or DPS and playing Sym.
karmic grotto
_>
upper hawk
trim shadow
Persia’s jersey
upper hawk
oof
i need the exciting dps kills when i watch
mei sym i dont think is gonna cut it
trim shadow
The full shield is the real goats 2.0
upper hawk
so what is the main goal of this comp in order to gain the advantage in a fight?
the sig/orisa/sym/mei crap
trim shadow
Not a single clue just spam@shields and@pray ill assume
upper hawk
well thats sleeper
trim shadow
Welcome to blizzard metas
pearl stratus
You're basically playing for shield advantage.
upper hawk
so a cooldown race
pearl stratus
Sym race more than cooldown.
balmy wolf
Shield battle with sym
pearl stratus
If your Sym outpaces the other they get wall advantage, and then shield advantage.
upper hawk
ahh ok i see
trim shadow
Basically stage 1 goats
Who ever burned there cooldowns or ults first
Lost the fight
upper hawk
where does sym gain most of her ult charge? ive still barely used her for more than 5 mins messing around
trim shadow
Turrent placement
U could either do the bronze Put turrents on doorways
Or put them@behind enemys as they approach
upper hawk
god i feel sorry for these players
pearl stratus
Or you put them in the Orisa shield, which I do a lot.
upper hawk
lol thats an interesting one
dusk sphinx
Sym doesn't get most ult charge off her turrets in higher level play
main laurel
Can some one please tell me what a scrim is I don’t know
trim shadow
W...yo wtf
tropic herald
Sym gets a lot of ult of secondary fire
tawny sigil
so if dynasty wins and london lose, will dynasty be 7th seed or 8th still?
trim shadow
I think if the byes win they keep their seed
tropic herald
If London wins they keep 7 if someone beats London they take 7 and same with Seoul but 8 iirc
trim shadow
neon arrow
shoot
tawny sigil
are every match best of 7?
gaunt acorn
@sand oracle use #lf-scrim-na
karmic grotto
Is he a flex or main support
hidden vault
Main
red anvil
pearl stratus
Kelloggs is all that matters.
Most things in life are mediocre.
Look at 99% of reddit, twitter and the planet.
raw ermine
lmao
karmic grotto
Especially Reddit
tropic herald
It’s still Kellogg which is a lot of money
pearl stratus
And its multi-year.
Which looks good for other investors.
Little stupid things like sweepstakes and merchandise, etc, etc people like too.
sterile fox
what’s Kellogg?
pearl stratus
balmy wolf
There’s a Kellogg’s outside my house and it always smells like Rice Krispies
sterile fox
that’s a building
trim shadow
what if owl did like a product line of each team on a owl pringle can
upper hawk
wouldnt be surprised
theres tracer pop tarts and OW snack boxes
with loot boxes. anything is good at this point
pearl stratus
Also pretty big rumor that Tracer is joining Smash.
light flint
Would be nice to put some rosters of OW cast in Smash.
trim shadow
pretty brig rumor overwatch is coming to switch as well
@limpid estuary sigma patch
so the one with the rein buffs perma sym portal i think orisa nerf and brig rework
limpid estuary
Ok
light flint
The gameplay in consoles are way slower than in PC. I do like it sometimes.
trim shadow
friday forme
gaunt acorn
london spitfire winston becomes available today
narrow pollen
spitfire swamped reign and reign is first and spitfire is at cutoff sXD
trim shadow
is that even english what you just said
jagged crater
i do be like that
umbral iron
These Xfinity Hype videos are lit
vale pond
@narrow pollen and reign fucked the spitfire
reign was on a losing streak in goats this is different now
Besides spitfire deserve the bottom rn
pearl stratus
London is pooping on kids in scrims right now though, which is an interesting turn.
trim shadow
ah shit london grand finals here we come
vale pond
If they win I will legitimately lose it
Teams looking good all the sudden in role lock is one thing
London rolling through finals is another
trim shadow
If u look at where london lands
They have new york
Then reign or shock
Which is hell either way
But if they mastered sigma
Then its a level playing field
willow moon
Stop spamming
upper hawk
if the meta change once again completely changes teams chances right at playoffs
its fking stupid im sorry
after stage 2...sure. ill buy a meta change
but going into playoffs? the teams in playoffs didnt qualify using what will be used
so its not even a good representation of who should be in
its just massively changing the game when teams deserve to be rewarded for what got them there
what if in the super bowl they announce...ok instead of using a football we're going to use a cinderblock
balmy wolf
so what you're saying is you hate esports in general?
upper hawk
no it just doesnt make sense to me
i understand games change rapidly but to make a massive change at the start of playoffs
which is a set of teams that qualified under different circumstances
it doesnt seem fair
balmy wolf
cause what you're complaining about is a meta shift which is in most esport non shooter games; The biggest example being league of legends and of course Overwatch
I think the game more so awards flexibility and the ability to be great at almost anything and everything; putting it in the mindset that the game should be stable for a year and then change would have lowered viewership because everyone was tired of goats
You can't just be good at one thing and one thing only and suddenly when the game no longer favors that one thing you go "But that's unfair!"
upper hawk
yeah the goats thing is understandable to me because its a new league and they need it to actually survive
yeah but to me it makes it so that teams just luck out in a way that they have the appropriate players and skills sets to play whatever happens to be the current meta
i get where youre coming from tho with the adaptability though
if a team can adapt to all metas then yeah i guess that rly is something special and impressive
balmy wolf
You could call it luck
but then look at the san francisco shock
they prepared for basically everything
there hasn't been a stage this season where they haven't looked good
and I think that's how teams should be ranked and rewarded, by how flexible they are
Yea Corey is an amazing Sniper
but he's useless and should be benched if he can't play anything other than snipers
upper hawk
very true. from that angle it makes more sense
balmy wolf
or unless they can't force their way through the meta regardless
upper hawk
it just hurt my soul to see SHD finally overcome the dreaded goats meta and reach the top and then suddenly its ripped away because they cant use 3 dps
balmy wolf
Chengdu being the ones to force their way through the meta
Yea that was a drastic change but that just means to me that their tanks and or supports have to step it up where their third dps was going
If you want to win then you have to be flexible and astonishing otherwise just sit on the bench
upper hawk
i mean if their goal is to keep it interesting rn then they are succeeding
balmy wolf
Their dps line can't really keep up because they have 2 incredibly talented players who are about as flexible as a concrete
upper hawk
lol
wind cosmos
so i have an esports tryout tomorrow am i allowed to post ab it that im gonna stream it?
balmy wolf
and one who claims to be good but time and time again he fucks up ults that leads to their team defeat
and the other one who hasn't been tested enough this stage but seemingly is making a resurgence to form but sadly that's not enough
Meko has to step up and eat more ults
Nenne has to stop fucking throwing games
upper hawk
probably #video-content would be appropriate @wind cosmos
balmy wolf
SBB and Pine have to flex more and be better
Flower just has to be consistent
Jjonak has to show the world why again he was given MVP in the first place
Mano I would say is probably fine
upper hawk
they are kind of tunnel visioned players sometimes
balmy wolf
That's the issue with the league and I think this is a pretty good awakening to never get too comfortable
Good teams adapt
If you expect one player on the team to carry all the time
you will be in a sore spot when the meta shifts and they can't
Looking at Philly here and their severe over reliance on Carpe
upper hawk
right
and i guess your point about the Shock, they have utilized the entire roster almost all season
which is a testament to their depth
balmy wolf
Also their money
balmy wolf
I personally don't see a point to Striker despite everyone defending him
But I digress
trim shadow
espect its not a massive change
since this patch has been live
since like week 1 or 2 of stage 4
so if a team wasnt prepared then oh well
its the same with 222
upper hawk
yeah but its going to be all bunker all playoffs which is why it bothers me a bit
trim shadow
teams were alerted at least a stage ahead
upper hawk
but for entertainment purposes
balmy wolf
I do hope that Shock's strat of "Buy a lot of great players to fill in any conceivable role because never know when blizzard is gonna throw the game upside down" gets way more contender's players and other players into the game
upper hawk
itll be fun
trim shadow
and teams like vancouver only practiced twice
balmy wolf
like onto teams I mean
upper hawk
is there a salary cap?
upper hawk
well i mean the max total salary a team can spend on all players
balmy wolf
I don't believe so
Shock at the start of the season had enough players to form 2 teams basically
seoul did as well
upper hawk
interesting
balmy wolf
But that's not really enough
upper hawk
just from the standpoint of looking at a sport like baseball for instance. richest teams win
balmy wolf
You need skill, Synergy, understanding (Cause language barriers), etc...
it's not just buy the most players and win
it's also my theory about why most teams try to have a starting 6 so that synergy can form
upper hawk
yeah of course it still takes the magic
that must be tough as a manager in this type of league because year to year your previously relevant players may become suddenly irrelevant based on need
and you have to find that synergy with new pieces
balmy wolf
Yep but you also have to take into account probably of relevancy
Cause if you told me a year ago that Reaper was going to be meta
I would not have believed you
upper hawk
yeah i still honestly think it was a meme
and the players just took a chance to do it
balmy wolf
I also don't think Tracer will be meta again unless blizzard is willing to do an outrageous buff which might borderline break the game
balmy wolf
Add an extra blink, decrease recall cool down, give her 50 health, etc...
that was more to bastion kills than actual shield/tank busting
upper hawk
and extra blink alone would make a massive difference
balmy wolf
yep and that's also an issue with design for certain characters
upper hawk
its generally the reason i die just getting caught in a bad spot without one more
balmy wolf
they made them with basically a razor's edge
parts of their kits are too powerful so changing it in anyway would be almost ground breaking and oppressive
or nerfed too hard and they become useless
RIP Brig
balmy wolf
In all liklihood I personally think they should make the game more or less unstable on purpose
like change it every 2 stages
meta shift every like 3-4 months
and make it unpredictable so players can't just go "Well Tracer was meta in this month so she should be meta again on these months"
Let chaos Reign
upper hawk
i mean id enjoy the crap out of watching it. im used to the traditionalist rules of sports but as far as watching the most entertaining weeks are the scrambles during meta shift
where teams are experimenting. it rly is just chaos
balmy wolf
what matters is the fanbase, and the gamers; can't let a meta sit for too long otherwise it's gonna get rough
upper hawk
makes more sense to me now after sharing your view. gamers are a pretty ADD crowd. get bored easily
not the same as the other major sports where ppl are literally offended by changing rules
because it ruins the sacredness of the game lol
for the players it must be frustrating . for the business i guess right now especially its necessary for the leagues survival
balmy wolf
I personally like the change; While of course I have player favorites, I understand it's apart of the game
Players got a choice
Evolve or die
either learn to adapt or die and fall back to contenders
or until boston decides to buy you for pennies and hope some other team is willing to buy you
upper hawk
ha poor boston
balmy wolf
I really dislike boston
upper hawk
im a native new yorker so i was born to dislike boston naturally
balmy wolf
boston has money, but they're not playing the league to actually win, just to make a profit from buying good players in the rough and then selling them off later in the season
upper hawk
yeah i friggin hate that
upper hawk
every league has those money above all organizations
in pretty much every sport its always been the Florida teams XD. owners dont give a shit and actually dont even go for good players
just collect on ticket sales
if they do happen to win a championship or almosy win they just sell off the whole team the next year
upper hawk
yeah for OWL the mayhem are in good shape
i always like Fate. he just quietly does what needs to be done
echo quest
SKT gotta get involved in OWL
balmy wolf
Except this season until stage 4
where he was pretty much dead weight on the valiant
I personally just think Florida in general is cursed to be the butt of a lot of jokes, state and sports team included
trim shadow
Skt wont get involved in anything if its not LOL
Well skt involved in apex but
Thats doomed to fail
upper hawk
early on with Fate honestly id put a lot on Unkoe
echo quest
I wonder if They will win again
upper hawk
i know he was only there half a season but that guy fucking sucked nuts when i watched LAV matches
dude died first in so many fights
echo quest
S1 stage 3-4 he was nuts
trim shadow
Hes no different on dallas
echo quest
Best rein in the league
trim shadow
Minus dying first
echo quest
Oh your talking about Unkoe
upper hawk
true that is also huge
balmy wolf
Truth be told; I don't see why dietary things are such a concern for the korean players
upper hawk
unless theres another sniper meta i cant rly see that happening
balmy wolf
they lived in LA, one of the most diverse places on the planet culinary wise and I know for a damn fact they have korean places there, I've heard horror stories about how koreans just straight up don't like american food and something about ramen noodles where a good chunk of them had diarrhea
upper hawk
even then
balmy wolf
Carpe's fine; he's not an impressive carry anymore cause competition stepped up this year
but he's fine
echo quest
It’s Eqo’s team now
upper hawk
im in LA and live in koreatown
balmy wolf
probably like in the upper echelon of DPS
upper hawk
can confirm shit ton of korean food
balmy wolf
but not standing at the top
trim shadow
Everyones thats non american hates american food
balmy wolf
American food is so vague tho
upper hawk
trim shadow
Litterally america gets shit on everywhere food wise
echo quest
Soul food is pretty good ngl
trim shadow
Your either a vegan hippie or a meat caveman like the germans
balmy wolf
the only thing you can distinctively say about american food is like burgers, most other foods I've had have been every other country's food
I forgot soul food mb
upper hawk
its like most of america culture. its like a Picasso of other cultures mashed together
balmy wolf
that's their bad man; you go to another country, I say live a little and enjoy everything instead of holing yourself off to just one area
balmy wolf
I doubt it
upper hawk
as a northerner most of my life southern biscuits and gravy made my life better
balmy wolf
As an Asian American born in Houston
I've had my fill of a lot of food
to just settle on one culture's food is a waste
of life
upper hawk
that rly is how korean american culture is though a lot of the time. they reaaally hold onto their culture hard
trim shadow
I think some teams are working on Offices for visiting teams so they can practice and stay in
upper hawk
dont want to be "white washed" as ive heard many many say
trim shadow
And some are planning on over seas offices
balmy wolf
I'm white washed
trim shadow
Along with stadiums
balmy wolf
I call it being americanized
echo quest
Still that’s gonna be a shit ton of flying
balmy wolf
and lemme tell you what that entails
echo quest
Yikes
upper hawk
i was born in korea but i grew up in white family
echo quest
Philly gonna fly that business class tho
balmy wolf
Meanwhile Boston is in the luggage hold hoping no one notices
upper hawk
not that id want to
balmy wolf
cheap bastards
trim shadow
New york will probably the first team@with a private plane
balmy wolf
Seoul probably lost their private jet once they no longer had to cater to fissure
echo quest
How you gonna say that with Philly
balmy wolf
Bastard was so picky he literally had a private chef
and still performed and acted like shit
balmy wolf
gimme a minute
upper hawk
it was pretty well known hes a dick so i wouldnt be surprised
balmy wolf
wait mb it wasn't fissure
trim shadow
Ppl be forgetting koreans are either docile and understanding or Have theese massive egos
balmy wolf
it was carpe, and he's not a private chef, he's a team chef
but he's a korean private chef
trim shadow
Ofc it was carpe
balmy wolf
so like sado and carpe
I think most people are used to like
Americanized Asian americans
and I personally like to think we're just like most every other american
so when you got ass hats coming over from asia, I think a good chunk of us, or at least I go, "Goddamn it you ass hat"
upper hawk
koreans holding their culture yeah rly isnt any different than any other current immigrant group
it may be the more reserved nature thats different to ppl
since american culture is generally on the more loud obnoxious side
balmy wolf
Going through both; I've found that American culture is much more individualistic and putting themselves first and not being afraid to voice what they have to say which I find admirable; It allows for things such as personal care, marking yourself as different and not just one in a collective
The other puts the group ahead but how much further it does I think can be detrimental to the individuals inside said group also part of the reason why they're so backwards on things like mental health
upper hawk
well hopefully as the generations go by, at least for that last part, itll fade. it historically does as the children born in the us of immigrants tend to take the more american stances
one thing with some OWL fans that continues to make me laugh tho is the "why all korean players"
"its london...but its korean team".
i just want to see the worlds best fking players
same as hockey with almost every team in the US with mostly canadians
balmy wolf
I personally think that's just a like... "Ahead type thing" Korean culture took gaming seriously and then it happened that their was money in it in the future
Once other countries realize there is money to be made, I'm sure they'll step up but of course that'll take time
upper hawk
itll snowball fast in the US. theres some of the biggest sports owners and businesses pouring money into esports rn
full ride college scholarships to big universities for gaming
its happening. and im fking glad
echo quest
I wonder who will pickup Oparochi, he’s been a bright spot on WGS
quaint wren
do most pros really play at low settings?
pearl stratus
Yes.
FPS consistency is more important than things looking pretty.
Also there's certain game artifacts that disappear at lower settings providing better vision.
willow moon
Anyone has a guide for setting optimisation?
echo quest
Holy shit Zachareee was never subbed out
karmic grotto
Exactly
He wasn't
NOT EVEN ONCE
we never knew if Taimou/AKM would work better
Maybe Dallas could have greater chance of winning matches
But Aero loves Zach so much
pearl stratus
Not defending Zach but in fairness AKM + Taimou would just be running double hit scan in a meta where you barely ever even want one hitscan.
limber pine
that makes sense
trim shadow
so far the spark have the best one
nothing beats what they did
and the spark has been winning all year in terms of pre game hype and media
karmic grotto
True
trim shadow
limber pine
pretty slick
karmic grotto
upper hawk
“Thinking about what it would be like to be in Philadelphia and win the Grand Finals...well, I would have to poop blood.” -SBB
pearl stratus
Scroll up to my last post.
balmy wolf
I have a feeling hunters are gonna make a run in the play offs
pearl stratus
I kind of hope London cashes in and all the scrim results pan out
Because people would be so fucking salty.
And that'd be amazing.
frozen perch
who's ready to watch people shoot some barriers?
balmy wolf
Well they have been rumors on scrimbucks recently
pearl stratus
London, Vancouver, Shock are all reporting really high.
Vancouver and Shock expected.
London out of left field.
balmy wolf
I wonder if london were actually saving their energy for play offs
and just focusing on the sigma patch for the majority of stage 4
trim shadow
If london gets to GF the amount of salt would be enough to fill the dead sea
balmy wolf
I mean the storyline would be legendary
pearl stratus
I actually wouldn't be surprised if special ed hype teams like Atlanta drop back down quickly.
balmy wolf
Underdogs defending their title
pearl stratus
Having an off-tank mechanically skilled enough to pick up Sigma, well, in a short time is hard.
Whereas I watched Nevix stream himself shitting all over kids right away in Stage 4.
So you can have Choi Live + Nevix Sigma
trim shadow
Inb4 rascal picks up sigma
pearl stratus
Helps Shock to have a bench full of people better than most teams starters.
Also watch Shanghai suddenly be able to fuck.
With Dding Sym and Youngjin Doomfist.
balmy wolf
Their tank line seems like the weak link then
pearl stratus
Gamsu's a solid Orisa
It's more just do they have a Sigma.
I could honestly see Geguri picking up Sigma quickly with her mouse movement style.
tropic herald
I think if you have a Doom and Sigma player for this meta you’re set
karmic grotto
Hydration Sigma on work
jagged crater
hydration rank #1 combined
for support i think he was playing dps moira too
nevix and hydration might get some playtime just for sigma. These guys have been grinding sigma on ranked
willow moon
Super too
jagged crater
tho im sure every main tank and offtank is practicing sigma seeing how meta he is
willow moon
Yep
jagged crater
and pros still unsure whether he's main or offtank, so best both tank players prac him in case
upper hawk
the article on the OWL site was interesting. a lot of them mention his main tank role working well with Zarya
but that most likely isnt going to be seen
willow moon
He's whatever. Just like Hammond
I feel like more and more OW is just releasing heroes that can't be put in one single place
upper hawk
truuue
idk its probably just gonna be sig/orisa. and then a mix of symm/mei/sombra/doom
upper hawk
shields and beaaaaams
worn falcon
wait playoffs are today?
earnest leaf
Yall ready to watch ameng run ball into mei hog reaper orisa?
raw ermine
F
balmy wolf
Ready to watch ameng pull out Sigma and surprise everyone as the best sigma ever
raw ermine
They're on fire rn
mental estuary
once again since now they have sigma it can go in anyone's way
raw ermine
true
mental estuary
whoever adapted best to sigma if he is used
i wonder if any team is gonna focus on him being main or offtank
or give no fucks and go double hybrid? lol
raw ermine
probably a bit off, both, but mostly off tank w/ orisa
raw ermine
just msg it to a random bot then copy and paste the link to here
young warren
Like normally they start at least 1h before first match
Ok literally now it started
raw ermine
yikes
I heard a twitch sings stream
wait
I can use the command centre
and I don't have a pass
pog
feral wing
im pulling an all-nighter just to watch these games
raw ermine
I wish I could pull an all nighter
I prob only watch gz vs ch
srry philly
no playoff run
raw ermine
I went to the owl website to watch cuz twitch is slow and was immediately greeted by the toes
modest onyx
@jagged crater is sym being used a lot today?
Haven't got time to watch today's games
meager veldt
@trim shadow im not feeling it but im voting for it anyways because its more fun to cheer for 😂
full isle
Yuo guys ready to witness Sigma meta in owl?
trim shadow
chengdu could just
mental estuary
too bright pls nerf the brightness
balmy wolf
hunters got scrimbucks
mental estuary
u could be just watching the games on sunday
trim shadow
F for that black guy whos favorite team is every team
mental estuary
no happy so clearly doomfist lol
can every team pick Kings Row?
thanks
rein?
nvm
raw ermine
poggers
trim shadow
friendly reminder in this patch sym has perma teleport
raw ermine
Jsilly!!
mental estuary
holy shit the bunker LOL
trim shadow
actual fucking bunker
young warren
And people said GOATS was boring to watch
mental estuary
and this is why u dont bunker tbh
jagged crater
oh god even ameng is forced onto orisa
mental estuary
nvm hes ball
meager veldt
BALL TIME
jagged crater
hunters sayin fuck da meta
mental estuary
pls tell me shock and reign will prove this meta wont be this boring to watch
just please
this is a terrible start for viewers :/
trim shadow
the fuck are those ults hotba
gaunt acorn
(this meta will be boring to watch)
upper hawk
the fking corner shields
frozen perch
Doomfist is balanced.
trim shadow
i...idk how eilien survived
balmy wolf
He just kill everyone before they killed him
raw ermine
why the jsilly tho
thorn sandal
what do you guys think about people in owl retiring really early in their careers
raw ermine
Jinrat?
trim shadow
jinmu just sat eilien
that was funny
is it to early to regret putting guangzhou in my grand finals?
frozen perch
What the fuck was that
mental estuary
for nothing too tbh
balmy wolf
Who was the guy who said he'd leave the server if they played double shield cause they couldn't figure out where sigma would go?
young warren
Hello today in the Barrierwatch League we have Barrierdu Barrters and Guarrier Barrge
trim shadow
that was a beauitufl kill
young warren
This game will be very interesting oh wait it will be not
young warren
Like Sigma is mostly that hero which is kinda fun to play but u hate play against him or watch anyone playing him.
balmy wolf
What do you think blizzard is gonna do to nerf double shield comp because my guess is a bunch of nerfs until a 6 man multi comp que
balmy wolf
No character deserves the brig treatment
young warren
Oh lets go orisa sigma mei sym brig lucio... Wait not enough shields? fuq we cant do more
balmy wolf
charge lost this map
trim shadow
well jinmu must have huge nuts for not getting knocked into the pit
young warren
Oh but we can use baptiste he gas immortality field
trim shadow
technically this isnt full shield since mei went back to antartica
i want answers as to how yvetal got caught by that emp
storm cloak
That emp
balmy wolf
and I was wrong
balmy wolf
the emp got 3 people
sullen berry
I'm not sure what you meant
mental estuary
like
trim shadow
dude licked his finger and smashed Qa
storm cloak
Like I'm a bronze player and I recognize how bad it was
storm cloak
Jt was practically in spawn
mental estuary
it was luck
sullen berry
Eileen isn't going for 6 Hacks
storm cloak
And they had cover
sullen berry
He goes for the EMP on targets that matter
storm cloak
And he dies right after
trim shadow
sure it was a good hack..but dude just said fuck it and threw it out there
storm cloak
But it wasnt effective for team to follow up
balmy wolf
he got a mercy
mental estuary
so he had to throw it before hack
balmy wolf
yxl just is worse that eileen for that on sombra
storm cloak
I'm not talking about charges emp
storm cloak
Chengdus emp was bad
sullen berry
This was a nice reminder
Oh I noticed afterwards and he was under pressure to pull it off @storm cloak
storm cloak
Like it was terrible
Hmmm
The charges emp was rushed but it wasnt bad
He still got it off in open
mental estuary
i see what u mean for hunter's emp
storm cloak
Its just that Chengdus was....
:(
Jf they waited till they came to point or target pharmacy
sullen berry
Sigma Doomfist
storm cloak
Why do it by spawn?
sullen berry
Fuck it, put happy on widow and now y I u have Talon
storm cloak
👀
mental estuary
the fuck is this
trim shadow
c h e e z i t
mental estuary
DEEP CRUNCH
sullen berry
@storm cloak probably some attempt to stagger by getting an early pick, I had no idea how they would capaitalized
Deep crunch
Like the end of this match I bet
raw ermine
cheezits....
sullen berry
With that kind of start
meager veldt
also after one map, i feel like rankings may have been thrown out the window again 🙃
mental estuary
so
peak furnace
Anyone else notice how the community bit challenges for each week usually expire before we can even complete one? What's the point then??
frozen perch
this guy says sigma and orisa were played the whole match when hunters used dva ball for 80% of their games
mental estuary
^
frozen perch
furthermore, charge swapped off sigma for dva a couple of times
mental estuary
ball winston? 
frozen perch
like is he watching the same match or is he just saying stuff assuming double barriers is 100% pick rate
storm cloak
If you risk alot theres gonna be payday
trim shadow
but sigma is just gonna eat the damage and make it shields
storm cloak
But there's a time to be smart
And emp at spawn and when they're in cover and no follow up
mental estuary
nero goes in
trim shadow
chengdu i think a widow/cowboy is needed
mental estuary
how did he get no one on barrage idk
frozen perch
goddamn this doomfist
storm cloak
Ez
mental estuary
hotba just somehow didn't get into the emp and im pretty sure he was in range
so weird
lol
storm cloak
Jinmu makes good plays
trim shadow
i still want like sigma dva for flux bombs
mental estuary
not happening
trim shadow
i think thats the best way to get value out of his ult
and i seen some shit with sigma and mcree
flux 2-3 people nano the mcree and he uses his ult
trim shadow
elien got fucking juked
storm cloak
Sigma mcree please
I would love that
Sigma has such good ult combo potential
Imagine if signa was around during goats?
meager veldt
f
trim shadow
oh c9
trim shadow
limit your mistakes
so if doom is being played
then philly is gonna get knocked out
cause youngjin is basically the best doom in the leauge
over blase eilen and jinmu
meager veldt
yeah, i just realized that too 😥
storm cloak
Reeeee
meager veldt
chengdu said NO barrier
inland pawn
YXL 😂
raw ermine
yikes
meager veldt
as one caster said “if you like chengdu, you gotta take the good chengdu with the bad chengdu”
trim shadow
im suprised jiqiren hasnt come in
minor flame
im glad this match isnt unbearable to watch
trim shadow
philly and shanghai will probably be another bar fight as well
minor flame
but granted that these are teams that play hackfist and offmeta often
and the rest of the teams might just be
more meta
trim shadow
meta slaves
balmy wolf
well doom is meta, not sure about pharmercy
But both of them just ignore shields so....
balmy wolf
Doom counters sigma hard
meager veldt
yeah but shanghai can do pharmercy pretty damn well so either way
balmy wolf
Doom says fuck your shields
mental estuary
crunch time
balmy wolf
Sigma cant do much against a doom
minor flame
Doom doesnt counter Sigorisa SymmMei well
mental estuary
the fucking shit
balmy wolf
sym/mei doesn't counter pharmecy
minor flame
yes but Pharmercy can be utterly useless at times
the Pharah might not be able to do enough dmg
because Moira Lucio has too much sustain
minor flame
i dont give all credibility to what pros say
but if its true what they say
the rest of the matches might just be more
double shield wall
frozen perch
took a small break
what's the total score?
balmy wolf
2-0 in favor of charge
frozen perch
ouch
trim shadow
oh that was depressing
minor flame
tankline is generically the same
but the dps line is
interesting
Junksym vs Doomreaper
minor flame
Ana Lucio vs Moira Bap
pearl stratus
So you're looking at like Washington Justice level Goats Sigma usage.
minor flame
I wouldnt expect these types of teams to be good at Sigorisa bunker esque playstyle
but honestly you dont have to be really good at sigma to do your job
inland pawn
minor flame
use accretion off cooldown, rotate shields
its not amazingly hard to play your role with orisa
balmy wolf
and of course bounce your shots to get damage
charge should've just stayed on the point when they started tping there
trim shadow
pretty so far both teams have just been throwing sigmas ult out
and hoping for pulls
mental estuary
bro u know elsa is a bad sigma when he eats but doesnt call back shield
like
bro pls???
trim shadow
this makes me interested in what lets say san fransicso london will do with sigma
minor flame
Shock will use Nevix for sigma
and seeing as how Nevix grinded the shit out of him
yeah
trim shadow
dont care whos using him
minor flame
theyre gonna be good
mental estuary
gotta wait another week for decent usage ig
trim shadow
gamer grade internet with xfinity
minor flame
OrisaSig
trim shadow
thats such a fucking lie
minor flame
then itll be pretty predictable
minor flame
mehhh
SymMei is a defensive comp
and its not very good on the maps hunters and charge are playing
minor flame
its not exactly the best map for sym mei
Shock is way more likely to run SymMei or MeiReaper
theyre like that
inland pawn
are we sure yxl is the best hitscan in china or were they just hyping my man up for no reason
minor flame
keep in mind Super himself is complaining about playing triple shield
so you bet your ass symmmei is gonna be used
YXL is great on hitscan
hitscan that isnt sombra
balmy wolf
which is ironic
minor flame
questionable flux
but i guess they wanna bring out that beat?
not sure
wasnt very beneficial
mental estuary
not a fair trade imo
minor flame
honestly
mental estuary
yes happy feed elsa
minor flame
look at hunters
they cant really use flux that well
their comp just isnt really suited for it
mental estuary
bro they're doing double hybrid now
balmy wolf
idk why happy is in this map
dreamy cave
sym is finally meta
inland pawn
these doomfist kills lmao
minor flame
wait
mental estuary
?
mental estuary
dusky canopy
Eileen can only carry so much
minor flame
theyre betting on Happy
theyre gonna try to bubble Happy so he can pop off
and it may have worked
balmy wolf
he didn't wait for cooldowns
mental estuary
if he ate and one dps got to knock the supercharger it could've gone different
likr
pretty sure lol
minor flame
honestly
Chengdu should just play more
of what they play
none of this sigma orisa
they should be opting in for playing what they usually played before
YXL good ass widow
dreamy cave
but then if elsa played d.va he would get pretty ran over if they switched to sym and zarya
trim shadow
well chara got bullied
minor flame
playing Dva in this meta
is cancerous
if they run symm mei
I rather be in brig jail in goats
than be in dva jail
mental estuary
i mean it feels like it's his first time trying sigma
trim shadow
^ this guy keeps talking about sym mei but sym mei hasnt been played yet
mental estuary
hence the if
minor flame
yeh dude
i expect the meta to be played with 2 teams
that dont play meta
the most that is
mental estuary
counterpicks are often run we see it a lot
balmy wolf
has jinmu even played mei in stage 4?
minor flame
no?
tawny sigil
the meta they played on stage 4, never existed on live
they played a patch we never got
mental estuary
guys