dont discredit him just because their dps were decent
#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
night tusk
did they won with goats btw ?
some people still say fragi winston is trash or about other players rein
trail lodge
He also had one of the better EU ot's in Haaffi
No
They got relegated S2
Bh are the only team to win contenders and get relegated to trails
balmy wolf
Fusions got fucked over when the internet babied over the LA, Boston trade
LA wanted asking and fusions
trail lodge
Fusions isn't an OWL level Mt
He's a meh at best rein 1 trick
Imagine bumper but without the plays
And thats Fusions
night tusk
every player looks bad when they are not peforming. boston is not peforming but I don't play fusions for it. besides that he get alot of credits for his comms
balmy wolf
^
balmy wolf
Put him on a different team thats actually decent
Instead the trainwreck that is boston
balmy wolf
Poor analyst of a player
trail lodge
People get hyped about him because of OWWC
Even though 99% of his shatters were kyb's bash
I really want to a world where being a 1 trick in this meta is a good thing
Please tell me
balmy wolf
He is not benbest for the love of god
night tusk
xd
trail lodge
He is
night tusk
what do you think about this guy from dallas
trail lodge
Most EU MT's are rein 1 tricks
night tusk
is he better than fusions in your opinion ?
trail lodge
Who?
night tusk
trill
balmy wolf
trill is the guy who shat on teams on 300+ ping
trail lodge
Trill was looking the like the best non korean Mt with 300ping
night tusk
did you watched his games on dallas ?
balmy wolf
Sucks that trill had to move up on the main fuel roster
trail lodge
And did extremely well on all Mt's at OWWC like Winston Ball Orisa etc
balmy wolf
The academy team is way better than the current fuel rn
night tusk
imagine releasing rascal for free
trail lodge
Note was a top 5 Dva earlier this year
night tusk
he peformed on RNG (or whatever academy shock name is) and now one superstar again
balmy wolf
NRG grabbing him and then disbanding after that is funny as hell
trail lodge
UH
They disbanded the org
Like
8 months after Rascal got promoted
They played 2 whole seasons without him
night tusk
what I just remember was that after rascal was released from dallas. alot of people wonder if he was toxic or not coachable for example. and than he proved that he is a good teammate and than he was signed for shock. and now he is peforming
balmy wolf
I mean the dude played on kdp before and wrecked
Dallas was just a fucking dumpster on a team
and still is
night tusk
kyky made it worse
trail lodge
XL2 take 3rd NA seed for Gauntlet
night tusk
but I know that when he was released on london there was already questions about rascal
balmy wolf
london probs wanted the GC busan core more
trail lodge
I'm going back to this
Theres about
3 EU MT's that can play all the MT heros
At a good level
Lh, Jkaru and Lullish
Everyone else can only play rein or orisa
balmy wolf
LH? lol!
trail lodge
?
I firmly believe as a Paris fan if we committed to Lh all season we would of been top 10
This weird thing of swapping Mt's every stage really hurt
Play Nico and Soon on Brig and Zarya didn't help
Starting Hyp over Greyy was pepeaga
Sharp pls
I want Atlanta to win
trim shadow
Neither Lh or ben were that good at rein
balmy wolf
Well, LH is at EU contenders level. MT is Paris weakness. Too bad they didn’t got Lullish. But they need a better MT if they wanna survive.
trail lodge
Even in Tier 2
And OWWC
No
Lh isn't a contenders level MT
Contenders level MT is someone like Swon
Well Lh is Finlands MT so we'll see how well he does there
balmy wolf
Well, he is not at OWL level. Call this like you want.
trail lodge
if there is one region I know my shit about
Its EU
I literally Only care about how well EU players do in OWL and in tier 2 on NA teams
balmy wolf
Good for you. Your opinion looks bit optimistic though. LH is probably a good european MT but remains far below others MT in OWL.
Paris had way more problems in the goats meta besides their main tank.
No good zarya or brig.
trail lodge
And no truely good Ot
night tusk
Paris staff needs a update than we can talk about the players
trail lodge
Kruise frog was a bit of a feed
If I was Paris GM I would release Nico,Benbest and Hyp
Bring in Fischer as a Sdb backup
Sign Jkaru as a backup possibly starter
hidden vault
What about rby?
trail lodge
Rby?
hidden vault
Ryb**
night tusk
I’m sure there are alot of players who we might not know that could be a superstar with great coaching. I mean, we see sinatraa pop off but I think he would be decent if he was in Dallas at the start for example
trail lodge
Get Txao as a starter OT
hidden vault
trail lodge
Bruh
night tusk
Also Janus and Sansam are a good example of later improvment or meta shifting
hidden vault
Oh no ><
night tusk
If I was paris I would do a mayhem 
hidden vault
Gido too actually
hidden vault
Is paris popular among eu?
trail lodge
Not really
night tusk
I could easily see sansam gido and janus get released and they might not even get resigned for OWL 2020 if this last stage went good for them. But for the tanks even kinda lucky that the duo tank that was signed had visa hell
balmy wolf
They sure didn't meet expectations
trail lodge
Because they didn't sign the best EU players
And called them selves the EU Super team
trail lodge
They didn't get a good Zarya or Brig
hidden vault
People still love them
trail lodge
They had
The entire EU region
And they didn't get 1 that could play Zarya or Brig
No
If they go full French then they'll lose all their non French EU fans
balmy wolf
Im surprised they didn't get some angry titans players
trail lodge
France is a joke country in EU
balmy wolf
Since everyone knew goats was gonna be meta
night tusk
Idk why they went with no real zarya player. I’m sure that they saw niko as the brig player
hidden vault
The question is do they even have non eu fans?
balmy wolf
duh
night tusk
But I know on the off season alot of people predicted goats to die before OWL started. But it was not the case after all
trail lodge
French players have a stigma about getting mentally boomed very quickly
hidden vault
Explain mentally boomed
balmy wolf
You mentally give up
hidden vault
Hmm
night tusk
I know ATL did trials on goats but some teams did not trials for goats so that hurt them after all
balmy wolf
You start doubting yourself and became angry at yourself
trail lodge
If you play on EU and you have a thrower don't be surprised if a French accent appears in the team VC
They also suck each others dicks hard
night tusk
I’m from eu and the only throwers I see is people who tilt because they hard stuck. Not france but from every country lol
trail lodge
And will always back each other up no matter how wrong they are
night tusk
But I know french people are known to be toxic on LoL
I don’t play league but I heard it often
trail lodge
Also Paris started out with daemoN
hidden vault
Well can we assume the same for overwatch?
hidden vault
I'm thinking if any Swedish or Finnish city comes along
Most Eu non French fans would flock there
hidden vault
And that's very likely
trail lodge
It depends on what players they sign
hidden vault
I do see paris will stay predominantly french tho
balmy wolf
European I'd say rather than full on french
red anvil
Paris will probably be overall less french less season and more european
Depends on the coaching staff they decide to go with though
balmy wolf
what would be the impact of tizi if he joined the titans?
would bumper be subbed out more since his style of play isnt working in this meta?
tizi was leaked by fanfic since theyre so good LUL
hidden vault
Bumper would be subbed out probably totally
slender lance
i dont think tizi will completely replace bumper
considering his synergy with this team
just when hereos that tizi is better at need to be played
hidden vault
Tizi is former runaway
He does have synergy with them
But yes it takes time for him to build it back
But I believe it would be soon
trim shadow
So hangzhou has confirmed there stadium
As a fact
the whole schedule is released
Actually i notice theres less cross division match ups
But more in division
So atlanta hangzhou isnt common but atlanta Boston would be
limber pine
yeah they still play everybody in their division twice
it'll just be more noticeable because they aren't all in LA
slender lance
Can't wait for 4 power outages
fiery basalt
Didn't Washington get a lot too?
slender lance
Is there a high chance that valiant beat the gladiators
I think I'd the team steps it up from the spark game they will win but I don't know the chances of that
fiery basalt
Well Gladiators have a better overall win rate but the Valiant have a better "Battle of LA" win rate
slender lance
Yeah but most of that is last season
And I lot have players have been switched around
A bit I
trim shadow
Washinton got alot
Guangzhou dallas And philly
The one who has the least is chengdu
And both of theirs are towards the end of the season
Yea the final 2 weeks on the pacific are chengdu homestands
slender lance
Are there teams that don't have any homestead games
trim shadow
F for chengdu fans
No everyone has at least 1
Boston somehow has homestands during February-march where your nuts will turn to ice if u step outside
fiery basalt
F for all the people that don't live in a city that's represented by an OWL team
trim shadow
And the season starts in new york
so youll know itll be like
Snowing
Non stop
And washingotn has its homestands the week after
karmic grotto
Justice finally deserving the justice they need
First 3 stages a no no
Stage 4, heck yeah
You know what
Role lock brings the average team skill closer and closer
Teams becoming creates hype and great matches
slender lance
I think justice are one of the few teams that will stay consistent after the break
trim shadow
Well first
Look at Washingtons division
After the 222 lock its the hardest
Philly atlanta and florida
Houston is excluded
fiery basalt
Wait question is the full schedule for the 2020 season released?
trim shadow
Yes
slender lance
If you think about how the team will most likely evolve during off season
fiery basalt
So does that mean there will be no new teams in the next season?
slender lance
Janus and sansam probably won't start after lulish and evilote get visas
trim shadow
Theyll be bench boys
slender lance
And there is the possibility of Corey getting traded
trim shadow
Lul what
slender lance
I don't think it will happen but there is the chance
trim shadow
U rlly think wizard will let go@of corey?
trim shadow
Lmao
slender lance
I thought he was released
fiery basalt
He is
trim shadow
Who the fuck told u wizard was released from washington
fiery basalt
Like he is still coaching
trim shadow
fiery basalt
He was even in the corey or stratus (I don't know) montage
fiery basalt
It's ok I'mma dumb 24/7
slender lance
But would wizard let them drop Janus
Because Washington could go with out janus, sansam and ado and replace them
karmic grotto
I agree
They're fine
And they will get lullsish and ellivote
So their tank core will be even stronger
slender lance
Yeah
Question
Why was gido playing over sleepy
Gido was good don't get me wrong
I was just wondering that
fiery basalt
Either gido decided to be good. Sleepy decided to be bad (or fall asleep) or sleepy ran out of money to buy ice cream for the whole team
slender lance
Will this affect his chances of being the flex support for team USA
I'm not rooting for them but I think sleepy would be better
fiery basalt
Wasn't the roster for team USA already announced?
slender lance
The 12 man
slender lance
Super,muma,fctfctn,space, hydration,Sinatra,Corey, moth,sleepy,raukus, and I think babybay, and danteh
I think that right
fiery basalt
So the only competition he has is rawkus?
fiery basalt
Yeah
I think that too
Also since you're not rooting USA what team will you be rooting for this year?
fiery basalt
That's a lot of matches
fiery basalt
Btw @trim shadow what OWC team are you rooting for? Just curious
trim shadow
Non..I just watch owwc to watch
Sk will probably win again
And usa wont even get to touch bronze
vital matrix
Does anyone know how much OWL tickets cost if you wanna sit in front?
vital matrix
D:
fiery basalt
You can use a toxic friend or something
vital matrix
Yeah I know
fiery basalt
But srs I don't know either
vital matrix
:(
pearl stratus
So it'll be venue to venue priced.
vital matrix
Prices will be different for different venues right
pearl stratus
Unless Blizzard standardizes it.
vital matrix
I wanna go in Paris
pearl stratus
Which we don't have word on yet.
It would make sense for them to standardize ticket prices globally, but we'll see what happens. I don't think they did for this years homestands.
fiery basalt
I wish there was a team based on my city so I could watch
trim shadow
The most expensive tickets will probably be new york and bodton
The chepeast ill give it to houston dallas and atlanta
pearl stratus
Boston depends on where - most ticket prices outside of the Red Sox are honestly pretty reasonable. And even Sox tickets are based on who they play.
trim shadow
So wait that means teams are in control of ticket prices right
pearl stratus
No clue, they haven't really talked about it.
But I'd assume team + venue.
Since most teams don't own their venue.
trim shadow
Id imagine by season 4 teams will have owned there venues
Philly’s venue is probably no where near done
dusk sphinx
I wish they would actually come to Europe
pearl stratus
Make Europe suck less dick.
trim shadow
Europe is a shithole
pearl stratus
The lack of EU support/homestand is 199.8% entirely on EU.
EU has one team, and it took two seasons for them to get it there.
They put no financial support into the league, so they're going to get ignored.
dusk sphinx
2 teams
pearl stratus
One team
London is owned by an American franchise.
And all money comes from the US.
He only took the spot because no one else had.
dusk sphinx
Does explain why they're Korean only
pearl stratus
Well they wanted to win.
trim shadow
Ill go as far as fo say we might not see another euro expansion team
trim shadow
I doubt koreans will like french cuisine
pearl stratus
I get that people in EU want things to be better for them in terms of viewing/homestands etc.
trim shadow
Well actually
pearl stratus
But money is the only thing that talks.
pearl stratus
So if no orgs invest it becomes a useless region.
Versus China which sells out a damn mall for a watch party.
fiery basalt
To be fair as someone who lives in middle Europe having a team and homestands would be pretty cool but at this point the only thing I want right now is for my country to be even eligible for owl tokens
trim shadow
Ima watxh the korean casters for the seoul homegames
So i can just get swalloed into the insanity that is korean esports
Where is that?
Wait thats the arena where they host Americas got talent
pearl stratus
That's on your country more than Blizzard, Radys. So unfortunately you gotta fight your government, or move 😛
trim shadow
So that arena is in manhattan
So not only will parking be impossible
The food will be batshit expensive
Think we have a winner for most expensive ticket
dusk sphinx
@pearl stratus Obviously the Spitfire are winning a lot atm 
pearl stratus
They may be able to work out cheaper ticket prices if they're allowed to sell their own merch (since NYXL has probably the best overall merch)
make it up on the back end
trim shadow
good point
dusk sphinx
You guys are Lucky there's no Amsterdam OWL team
The USA is dirt cheap compared to the real Europe
AKA Scandinavia, Benelux, France and Germany
And AuSwiss
daring prism
pearl stratus
"Are you ready to lose your voice"
About as ready as I am for Dallas to lose all their matches again.
daring prism
clever
trim shadow
switzerland is the most expensive country to live in right?
limber pine
probably an old logo
SFS is the old logo too
same with Philly
actually a lot of them are old from the update
fiery basalt
@pearl stratus a lot of the countries have stuff like that allowed it's just that Blizzard doesn't care about them.
limber pine
Blizzard having owl tokens in your country has nothing to do with Blizzard
and everything to do with your country
trim shadow
essentially if you live europe just move
limber pine
@daring prism You gotta update your logos man 😄
dusk sphinx
I can assure you Western Europe is much better to live in than the USA
If it was only for good healthcare
trim shadow
i dont think anywhere in europe has a better lifestyle thennusa
little silo
switzerland
you can cherry pick a lot with europe and the usa
germany, the netherlands, denmark and any scandinavian country have a pretty high life standard
pearl stratus
You can cherry pick locations just about anywhere though. It's why its always been an inane as fuck argument.
dusk sphinx
Yeah but the difference is the USA isn't nearly as consistent in their life standards
pearl stratus
And basically only used by shitty people to make shitty points.
little silo
europe isnt super consistent either
hidden vault
Ot?
ocean mason
sand violet
@trail lodge he was not let go because of 2/2/2
Or maybe it played a factor because he is a very weak dva
But it was not the main reason
I'm not sure if the actual reason is public or not so I'm not gonna bother saying
trail lodge
He said it was to do with 2-2-2
sand violet
Yes many teams and players say things that aren't true to save face
trail lodge
I don't see how having a weak dva is an issue because on some maps Orisa Hog is just as good as Orisa dva
And it would of been better for Satly to only work on his Dva
And not have him work on Hog at the same time
sand violet
Yes, that's why I'm saying harbleu wasn't just dropped for 2/2/2
echo quest
A lot of teams run orisa dva
sand violet
I was on the team before it was GRUNTo and spoke to their current manager
It wasn't JUST 2/2/2
trail lodge
Hmm okay
sand violet
Would you rather have him move into the team house then kick him and force him to move back?
trail lodge
He must of fucked up big in scrims or something then
pearl stratus
People take business decisions mad personal. It's kind of hilarious.
sand violet
Think they're losing team house anyways
Since they're no longer partnered with grunto
Unless they get picked up acad
trail lodge
The org looks to be going to shit with Onichan,Umate and Salty leaving
And one of their coaches too
sand violet
That's not massive changes tbh
trail lodge
Shame Onichan and Wub are my favourite players in tier 2
sand violet
Oni was a super new addition so not like you're losing core, Umtae wasn't that great of a MT, and salty is a whole other thing
But staff rotates in and out constantly anyways
trail lodge
Yeah I agree Umtae is kinda meh at best
sand violet
They could rebuild for sure as long as they have a semblance of the team or if they don't get relegated for an academy team to come in
If they keep their contenders spot they will have a lot of pull for new players
sand violet
Shame they didn't make gauntlet. Think they would've been only unsigned NA team to do so?
sand violet
Yeah that tends to be what happens
trail lodge
Would of Loved to see Phase 2
sand violet
If it was still goats meta think they would've got in but
trail lodge
Oh yeah defo
sand violet
That's what happens when you have 2 weeks to practice 2/2/2
sand violet
Hm?
trail lodge
Oni
sand violet
Yeah but like what about it
sand violet
Yeah zarya doesn't do much in 2/2/2
sand violet
Nah even when they're good orisa dva is so much better in current 2/2/2 meta
trail lodge
Yeah
Its insane how bad London have been considering Gesture was seen as the best Orisa and Fury is in imo is the best Dva
echo quest
Busan still doesn’t have a team 
mental estuary
pearl stratus
Fury is probably the best general d'va, but he is not the best D'va in a goats playstyle. Which is what this year has been.
Regardless of 3:3 or 2:2:2.
echo quest
Gargoyle is amazing
trim shadow
can i say the florida home games will be intersting
i think theyre having theres in april to may so
its gonna be bat shit hot
^ i like how this is structured
fossil bear
Reign is best team
little silo
Yeah London really shit the bed
raw ermine
what was the deal with unkoe's mouse?
naive garden
There was nothing wrong with his mouse
The actual game shit the bed
He couldn't move at all
raw ermine
F
dusk sphinx
Reign might be the only ones to challange the Shock next season
Assuming there arent that many changes on their roster
limber pine
I would expect large scale changes across most teams
11-12 player rosters, lots of retirements, changes across coaches and management
localization is gonna change everything
trim shadow
i expect more changes from the bottom 5 player wise
and most of the mid tables will have coach changes
dusk sphinx
Usually trams that ended on a good streak don't change nearly as much though
Last year the top teams didn't change much either
Big mistake on Londons part
But still
limber pine
yes, but everybody's going back to home markets, and working an actual home/away schedule
It's not just "Season 3 in LA"
trim shadow
theres alot of variables for next season
hotels Accomidations entertainment
practice schedule
mental health
so its basically gonna either lift esports into the limelight
or fall apart
dusk sphinx
Well looking at the state of the game and the OWL
I think the first thing will happen
limber pine
IMO it helps to have a COD franchise league starting at the same time
gives some legitimacy to the viability of the product
pearl stratus
Reproduceability.
If it works twice, and your first attempt beat estimates by 400% you open the door to a lot more investment.
Especially globally.
No one wants to find out they invested in a one off.
limber pine
COD is being run by Activision
and spots in the COD league were open first to OWL franchises
so theoritically you could have an Atlanta Reign COD team
or an Atlanta whatever team being run by the same franchise run out of the same venue
similar to how you get hockey and basketball teams running out of the same stadium
dusk sphinx
AKA, it will pull more people to the OWL from CoD?
limber pine
it's possible
dusk sphinx
Hmmm
Problem is, CoD isn't very popular as an Esport anymore
The finals of the tournament of the year had 100k views
100k
OWL has twice to trice that amount
limber pine
Twitch views are nice, but hardly indicative of a successful league
look at all the endorsements and sponsorships OWL has
esports venues being built
TI had issues this year, and they get a shit ton of viewership
dusk sphinx
Yeah Blizzard handled the OWL VERY well
A good pro league often is key to a game with a good community
Look at AoE2
Microsoft started last year promoting it's pro league
pearl stratus
Yeah, for instance -
dusk sphinx
Now it's player base pretty much doubled, if not morr
pearl stratus
I expect Twitch views to plummet next year.
I'm talking like 50-60k per game average.
Because it basically doesn't matter anymore.
dusk sphinx
What do you mean?
pearl stratus
The schedule will be completely fucked, so you're going to lose viewers for that alone because its localized for time.
But because its localized you're getting actual, physical, audiences.
Also games within certain regions will be utilizing non-Twitch streaming platforms more.
pearl stratus
China, for instance, doesn't use Twitch.
dusk sphinx
So...
pearl stratus
Because thas where the audience was for live games.
So it made sense.
No ones going to the Blizzard arena for games based around EU times lol
Or China, or Korea.
pearl stratus
Doesn't matter.
Not how business works.
Twitch viewers don't mean shit compared to people buying tickets and merch at an arena.
So you build around that.
Now that its localized, it's the same.
Games in the EU will follow EU times to get the stadiums filled.
Same with China and Korea.
And, most likely, they'll all push for local sponsorship.
limber pine
and local viewership
pearl stratus
Toyota and Coke are a global brand, so they're fine.
But Jack in the Box isn't going to give a fuck about their ads playing in Korea.
limber pine
DC games could be shown on NBC sports washington
pearl stratus
So you get local people to get a bigger flow of cash.
pearl stratus
If I'm Paris Eternal and Blizzard I'm pushing for large local things. Renault, Danone, Carrefour, Orange etc.
If I'm in Korea I'm pushing for... whatevers a big advertiser in Korea. But that won't be hard since E-sports are already integrated.
Hey
minor flame
Got any predics on if ATL v Shock happened
pearl stratus
Not really.
minor flame
Since thats the hot new thing apparently
pearl stratus
I honestly hate this meta so fucking much I've barely watched anything in three weeks.
pearl stratus
I'll watch the playoffs since its balance changes + Sigma, so its new
.But if it defaults back to 2-2-2 goats, I'll turn it off.
pearl stratus
Mine too.
I'm honestly suspecting we'll see D'va dropped for Sigma.
and...
Thats it.
Since the Orisa nerf wasn't enough to impede how good she is in 2-2-2.
Also not by all teams.
Just some.
trim shadow
Just to commit on the cod leauhe
I think atlanta paris boston and philly have locked up spots
sterile fox
i already saw meko playing sigma, looks like we gonna have two main tanks
trim shadow
I think the main think about sigma
Is that his shield can be placed anywhere
His kit works for the price of mobility
Honestly hes probably a better orisa minus fortify
And the pull
karmic grotto
I think either London or Paris will be homestand I'll be but
Yeh, I mean, if I save some 100 euros I can travel one day trip with train from Netherlands to France
trim shadow
Isnt there a
Ferry
Between the english channel
One side is france
One side is Britain
limber pine
There's a tunnel
dusk sphinx
Well I think now OWL is going good, some European brands would be more interested too
Such as Carrefour
Thing is, most EU brands are worldwide anyways
Though not very popular in the US
limber pine
I think having to rebrand scared a lot of orgs away
trim shadow
If mercedes or Audi
limber pine
i have no proof of that; just a thought
dusk sphinx
They will probably only sponsor German teams
trim shadow
I also wonder what jerseys will look like next year
Vitality isnt german
Or are they?
trim shadow
Team viality is french
And i think theyre sponsored by audi
I forgot who mercedes sponsors in Leauge of legends
Sorry renault sponsors vitality
And renault is french
dusk sphinx
I was thinking more about brands like Heiniken or Venco
trim shadow
Then who does audi sponsor?
dusk sphinx
Strong European Brands
trim shadow
Dos sequis for houston sponsor
dusk sphinx
That actually benefit from their sponsoring
karmic grotto
Heineken is Dutch of I'm correct
dusk sphinx
Or maybe an actual snack sponsor?
karmic grotto
Their very big brand and their beer is very well known
They could sponsor for EU indeed
sterile fox
swiss cheese
karmic grotto
Where I come from, they know Netherlands for cheese
karmic grotto
trim shadow
dusk sphinx
Also brands like Carrefour (grocery store brand) could benefit a lot
The Netherlands have 1 world known cheese
Gouda
sterile fox
what
dusk sphinx
And it's one of their worst cheeses
Same with Heineken
In the Netherlands, hardly any people really drink Heineken
trim shadow
What kind of fucking beer does british drinks?
karmic grotto
We will see
sterile fox
ale
karmic grotto
Blizzard is stepping up their business
dusk sphinx
Brits drink cats piss
trim shadow
So piss water? @sterile fox
sterile fox
fuck if i know
karmic grotto
Overwatch league is like the most serious thing they're working on
dusk sphinx
Justified
trim shadow
It should be
Since its gonna yield the most profit
That also means
Adding more to the game itself
dusk sphinx
They made a masterpiece of a game and now solidify it to stand the passage of time
sterile fox
hey overwatch is pretty good
dusk sphinx
Well to deny Blizzard made an incredibly strong and popular game is being ignorant beyond belief
trim shadow
Yes its popular and strong
dusk sphinx
It's like saying MW1 was garbage
dusk sphinx
What is a masterpiece then?
sterile fox
borderlands
dusk sphinx
The most masterpiece of games I played are Age of Empires 2, GTA V, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon
And Farm Simulator 2019
trim shadow
Stop memeing
true jackal
Plants vs zombies garden warfare = masterpiece
trim shadow
Ill accept your reasoning
sterile fox
can you not
dusk sphinx
Anyways back to the European sponsors
true jackal
Cider
dusk sphinx
EU could also provide a good snack
true jackal
Walkers crisps
trim shadow
Yea like we want war rashions
dusk sphinx
Like the Americans have good snacks
true jackal
Nah nah British do good snacks
trim shadow
^
dusk sphinx
Also the Dutch are known for their candy and snacks
dusk sphinx
And the French have very famous snacks too....
Frog Legs and Snails
sterile fox
welcome to russia we have crisps made from deer meat
dusk sphinx
AKA Jerky
trim shadow
Im interested
sterile fox
pretty much
dusk sphinx
Croquettes all over the world!
Maybe Ikea could sponsor OWL
So we'll have a "Stockholm Grenadiers" team at last!
echo quest
pearl stratus
night tusk
I kinda miss mykl for those videos that can recap the news. There are alot of arena’s reveal and I want to know more about it watching a video
Akshon do something :p
karmic grotto
?
night tusk
Most homegames locations are announced
Next season schedule is revealed aswell
Seems that 2020 starts in dallas
upper niche
I'm just waiting for the calendar data to be available in the JSON feed so I can add it to the calendar.
night tusk
I just won my first map against a top 500 player yay
Match*
I’m kinda hyped to see homegames but hopes 2020 have more new stuff like dropping fnatics
Oops
I mean the company who sell the OWL jerseys (fnatics is a esports brand)
Fanatics* I was close
night tusk
yeah I'm just masters so xd
pearl stratus
Fanatics is an every sport brand.
They make jerseys for the NFL, NBA, MLB, most soccer teams, etc.
They're just all shit.
Literally all of them are shit.
But they're a known brand. Like people buying Beats headphones.
Both are people spending way too much money on a pile of shit.
night tusk
I'm from eu so the most jersey's I see is from soccer and that are brands like Nike, Adidas and some other known brands like Puma
I know back in the day Lunatic Hai had adidas jerseys
I still did not buy any jersey or anything else because of the bad quality + i'm not sure about their refund (if my size is not right for example) this is something what usually is easy to do in my country
night tusk
well some already mentioned
that Fanatics signed a 2 year contract
so it might even that we have it for another year
night tusk
I don't think the 2th edition jersey or idk how it is called look that great
also kinda weird that you see the size in the front of your jersey
trim shadow
Wel some of them do
some dont
Like gladiators
Muah
Paris muah
Hangzhou
Muah
Atlanta
No
Philly
Hot garbage
light meteor
i want to support my home team
which is london spitfire but none of them are british :((( no understand
trim shadow
Blame cloud 9
light meteor
:-(((
trim shadow
Feel bad for all the locals who are like
Well shit we have a esports team mate
But there full of fucking koreans
Thats british australian shit
light meteor
what
night tusk
I really don't care about local players
but I might still support other teams aswell even if I have a home team
like OWWC country xd
pearl stratus
Why would you blame an org for wanting to do well?
You know what you'd call London Spitfire if they could only have UK players?
Bottom tier.
They're an org, the org wants to win. You do what you can to do that unless you're really just looking to sell Jerseys.
light meteor
OWWC will just be USA v South Korea
trim shadow
Britain has almost no owl level talent
And if they are
Theyre benched
Outside of fusions
Ask nyxl how trying to recruit new york talent went
Xl2*
light meteor
Boombox? Kruise?
trim shadow
Boom is enetering washed territory
And i havent been paying attention to kruise ever since stage 2
Hes just mediocre
light meteor
South Korea will dominate
trail lodge
@trim shadow Really going to say Kruise is meh but not the fact Fusions is shit and shouldn't of been starter MT huh
Honestly I see Funnyastro starting over Kruise
light meteor
i don’t
trail lodge
Why
light meteor
i wanted GEORGELION to play
trim shadow
britain has almost no owl level talent
trail lodge
Funnyastro is on the best non Korean tier 2
trim shadow
That includes fusions
light meteor
chipsa
trim shadow
But fusions isnt benched
light meteor
we want chipsa
trail lodge
Should be
trim shadow
Axxiom is equally shit so
light meteor
^ agreed
light meteor
we want stylosa to play
trim shadow
Lul
light meteor
bring back numlocked
trail lodge
But didn't practice mt for the first week and fell behind Fusions in snyergy
Numlocked is garbage at Lan
light meteor
rip
trail lodge
Everytime he goes to lan he gets rolled
Theres better tier 2 UK players than Tier 1
Ksp
Jkaru
Funnyastro
trail lodge
Eh
Ehhhh
Sk have Mano
And Mano has looked big pepeaga
And Idk and Bdosin too
But SK has Crusty and US has fucking Aero so
Tbh
Denmark > UK
night tusk
OWWC would be usa like every year ? 
china or south korea might take it. but I wonder if finland do good or not this year
and france less known players (in OWL / apex community)
night tusk
I hope their would be a unknown rooky but I doubt
night tusk
but I remember how I and everyone underestimated UK. I think it was kinda cringe when stylosa even say something to support the UK. but damn they popped off vs usa
trail lodge
Eh
UK only did well because of 1 thing
The fact brig could stun Rein through sheilds
They just abused that
night tusk
and other teams can't do that? they practiced the current meta pretty well and did popped off
but china winston goats was also something crazy
canada could not find a counter so they used it against uk
trail lodge
Meanwhile on Sk the only 3 players who have looked good are Artitech Haksal and Choi in this meta
Mano has looked mega washed in stage 4
echo quest
His team has
trail lodge
Idk and Bdosin have looked so so bad in 2-2-2
echo quest
Individually he isn’t close to Mano
trail lodge
On Winston and Ball sure
Even when Super has been on stage hes still looked great on Orisa
echo quest
He because his team is good
trail lodge
You cant carry a poor MT
Because smurf was probably just practicing Orisa as soon as teams knew 2-2-2 was coming for stage 4
trail lodge
Super is the same guy who went from medicore to God tier on Rein in one stage
Bruh
Haksal can bot out insanely sometimes on Mei
Their dps is Artitech,Carpe and Haksal
echo quest
He was considered on of the best rein’s in NA prior to OWL. Plus their whole team got upgraded
You can not compare last season
trail lodge
I said stage
night tusk
I think some factors besides na players is that on OWWC there is no korean coach or any korean teammates. While NA have stars. In OWWC korea looks like super insane mode stars
echo quest
He was good in stage 1
trail lodge
He was medicore on Rein at the start
echo quest
Fuck are u talking about?
trail lodge
Bruh
echo quest
He literally was getting rotated between smurf
trail lodge
Before playoffs most of his stats were around the 12th in overall
Yes
Holy shit
That's why he wasnt as good
night tusk
Talking about super?
night tusk
I remember his stats are like 1st 1st 1st 1st
echo quest
He outplayed bumper so hard in the finals lmao
night tusk
But idk if he is the best pick for this meta
trail lodge
How is that so hard to understand
echo quest
That’s not what u originally said
night tusk
Its between who? Fctfctn
trail lodge
Ys
night tusk
Muma?
trail lodge
Actually no
echo quest
“ Super is the same guy who went from medicore to God tier on Rein in one stage”
trail lodge
Its Muma
echo quest
That’s what u said
trail lodge
Fct isn't on the final 12
echo quest
Not beginning of stage
night tusk
Fctfcn was on the 12, im kinda sure
night tusk
4 tanks and the only off tank was space
echo quest
It’s FCT,muma,Super and Space
tropic herald
Stage 1 he was like just below avaerage in stats but Super went up fast
night tusk
I think they decide who will be starter main tank on how trials went
trail lodge
But no way Sk has as good dps as USA in Mei meta
Haksal is pepeaga on Mei
Carpe is a joke
night tusk
I think we will see south korea lose again from a korean contenders team. Than again people say usa can win it. Than again usa losses from another team. And than again we have sk vs china finals
echo quest
Architect can pick it up
trail lodge
Nah
echo quest
Why?
trail lodge
Because of flexibility sure
echo quest
Besides you act like SK doesn’t have decay
balmy wolf
architect is a flex god compare to corey
trail lodge
Unlike last year you could change inbetween Qualis and Blizzcon
night tusk
What I do know was that crusty mentioned that archi was a bias pickup
trail lodge
All Sk has is Blizz finals
echo quest
@night tusk how so?
trail lodge
Same with US Canada France and China