i fucking wish
#esports-discussion
dreamy cave
that whip..
raw ermine
Stratus is having the time of his life
minor flame
all their pics should just be them photoshopped with shades
azure harbor
sooo much cringe today
trim shadow
26 teams is a even number
dreamy cave
dreamy cave
but 26? i think thats too much
minor flame
the thing is about it
dreamy cave
its a bit of a big jump
trim shadow
If owl is going to be global and represent cities
Like Nfl or baseball
26-30 is ideal
azure harbor
"global" - Nfl or baseball
minor flame
if they actually pull off with the global system
OWL could be a very good step for esports overall
dreamy cave
how many overwatch characters are there now? i say we should have a team for each character then
trim shadow
Nfl or baseball Theres like
Baseball leauges everywhere
And theres a start up american football leauge in egypt
minor flame
OWL isnt exactly the biggest well known esports but if they go global
they can make a good step for esports
trim shadow
Going global could bring in more sponsors to
minor flame
even if they have less viewerships than other esports
OWL could bring in alot of moneys
dreamy cave
yeah, but i just hope they dont sell out too much
minor flame
wtf is this fight
trim shadow
Owl is already averaging 55k-60k viewership
dusk sphinx
I want the Reign to make their anthem like Let it be
trim shadow
More then The NFL i think
dusk sphinx
But then Let it Reign! Let it Reign! Let it Reign Let it Reign
minor flame
when is spark making their anthem railgun op
dreamy cave
alot of sponsors could make it un-tastefull to watch with all the plugs they use to sponsor stuff
dusk sphinx
Speaking words of wisdom... Let it Reign!
trim shadow
The sponsors for the teams go on the jerseys
minor flame
Corey does a bruh moment
minor flame
this is very light sponsorship compared to actual NFL and stuff
trim shadow
Needa get mercedes and audi on board and make paris a true euro esports team
dreamy cave
mercedes could be a big sponsor
azure harbor
Soon
dreamy cave
i think they make big cash
minor flame
what
echo quest
You said earlier is that top contenders teams that could beat OWL teams
I assumed you meant to say there
dreamy cave
i think he said thay could BE owl teams
minor flame
top contender teams could be OWL tems
minor flame
Ark kills Soon
mental estuary
Hrs in a mission
He switched to lucio
watch him kill soon now
nvm gets a boop
feral wing
wait so atlanta will now make top 6?
if they beat dallas and boston?
that wont be too hard..
tropic herald
If they win both games 4-0 they could be #5
trim shadow
They can make top 6 if they win boston and dallas
tropic herald
also depends on LAG
feral wing
they dont even need to win 4-0
trim shadow
If gladiators drop they can get 5th
feral wing
they have a better map differential and are at 14-12
trim shadow
And i believe valiant can 3-2 gladiators
feral wing
so if they win both matches then they will take london's spot
if glads get 4-0 swept they still wont have a worse map differential than london
so glads are safe
tropic herald
IF they win both matches they take 6 and have the possibility to take 5 if glads choke
minor flame
they are pretty much ensured top 6
trim shadow
London probably crying knowing theyres a high chance they get put in play ins
feral wing
yeah but glads are safe in top 6
minor flame
they have the easiest rest fo the schedule
feral wing
yeah atlanta are making top 6
minor flame
Atlanta has had a reasonably easy schedule
tropic herald
yeah but what team wants to be 6?
minor flame
so this is free pickings
tropic herald
they face SFS first if they are 6
trim shadow
I mean london and washington same week?
feral wing
lol
balmy wolf
No team wants to be seed 6
feral wing
I would prefer to be inside top 6 at 6th seed than having to play myself in from the play-ins
trim shadow
7th plays the 3rd
tropic herald
1-8 2-7 3-6 4-5
balmy wolf
1 plays 8th
trim shadow
balmy wolf
Shock is 3rd seed
minor flame
wow
tropic herald
You just disproved yourself lol
feral wing
wait so we will have london vs seoul?
trim shadow
Wouldnt many anyway i believe atlanta can beat san fran
minor flame
playoffs are really gonna span a month?
trim shadow
Matter*
minor flame
lmao
trim shadow
Well its double elim with play ins so
tropic herald
ATL can beat SFS but SFS is the team to beat rn
minor flame
what?
trim shadow
If SFS goes down atlanta is in GF
minor flame
SFS is the team to beat?
trim shadow
Unless guangzhou pops off
tropic herald
They have play ins and winners bracket and losers bracket
minor flame
SFS has been the best
tropic herald
SFS is the team to beat
minor flame
what the fuck does that mean
tropic herald
They have 3 less wins than VAN but the same map diff
trim shadow
Sfs is the real number 1 seed
balmy wolf
Everyone wants to know how to beat shock
trim shadow
But they didnt win pacific cause vancouver was slightly better in goats
feral wing
who do you guys think will make it out of the play-ins?
tropic herald
SFS being the team to beat means they are the best team right now
hoary hornet
NO UNKOE IN TEAM FRANCE ?
tropic herald
depends if LAV make play ins or not
feral wing
im guessing they wont
trim shadow
London philly seoul@guangzhou chengdu are the play in teams
tropic herald
GZC is making play ins for sure
minor flame
LAV wont get out of play ins gonna be honest
feral wing
guangzhou arent making it out
feral wing
seoul, philly and london are the three teams I think have a realistic shot at knocking guangzhou out.
tropic herald
Yeah Seoul and Guangzhou are probably the play in teams
trim shadow
London
feral wing
if philly can actually play like they did against seoul
trim shadow
Oh no
trim shadow
London 4-0 guangzhou so
minor flame
putting faith in london
minor flame
London 4-0 guangzhou?
minor flame
this stage?
feral wing
guangzhou will play shanghai
trim shadow
Yes
minor flame
its 3-1
feral wing
philly can beat chengdu, chengdu have fallen off
trim shadow
And chengdu is gonna run over carpe if he doesnt wake up
minor flame
Chengdu hasnt fallen off if theyve always been the most inconsistent team
trim shadow
Chengdu hasnt fall of
tropic herald
London beat Guangzhou wasn't a 4-0 though
trim shadow
chengdu is just everywhere and nowhere
minor flame
they could beat the best team and then the next day get beat by Dallas
thats how Chengdu is
tropic herald
Chengdu needs the better team to show up if they want a chance
minor flame
that being said
trim shadow
If chengdu is lowest seed they play london so yea they wont make it far
feral wing
yo update guys
feral wing
guangzhou are gonna be higher than philly in standings
minor flame
but Chengdu will be the wild card
feral wing
after tonight
trim shadow
It will be fun to watch..I think play ins will bring out the hunger in teams and make them play better
feral wing
so philly plays shanghai and guangzhou plays chengdu
trim shadow
Idk about london they look destroyed
feral wing
philly and guangzhou move on
feral wing
then guangzhou plays seoul and philly plays london
minor flame
they used terrible strats
feral wing
so I think seoul and london will move on
minor flame
I actually have no idea how Philly got into playins
i just never noticed them at all
feral wing
philly went 5-2 in stage 1
trim shadow
Same as last year
feral wing
although they shouldve gone 7-0 putting them at 17-11 atm
but boombox was sick
pepehands
tropic herald
Philly is your completly above average team
minor flame
Philly is your completely average team
feral wing
philly would be above london and glads atm
minor flame
I have not given them any notice whatsoever
tropic herald
they make things they should but nothing else
minor flame
because of how mediocre theyve been in the last few stages
trim shadow
We need a philly zone along with a chengdu zone
minor flame
Guangzhou and Chengdu is not mediocre
feral wing
they have been mediocre for the entire season my dude
minor flame
Chengdu is literally their own tier
feral wing
3-4 every stage
dreamy cave
they hard dropped that point
tropic herald
None of the chinese teams are mediocre lol
trim shadow
Chengdu is chengdu..you cant rank@them
feral wing
or guangzhou had a 2-5 stage
minor flame
Guangzhou has a mixed roster
trim shadow
So maybe u could rank next year
tropic herald
Chengdu have Leave next year so thats a few places up
minor flame
Chengdu is honestly just a wild card
you cant really rank them
cause you dont know what the fuck theyre gonna do perform like
minor flame
gonna be completely honest
he takes over Jinmu
Jinmu is known for being a feeder
in the past and now
trim shadow
Well@jinmu is a good pharah better then leave
and yxl is a smooth brain
Bacon is just meh
minor flame
YXL has been showing atleast improvement
tropic herald
Jinmu and Leave looks good imo
feral wing
london and seoul move on, shock win the season
my predictions
minor flame
I think Chengdu is still finding their strat against this meta
tropic herald
with YXL sprinkled in
minor flame
cause this meta literally counters Chengdus comp
trim shadow
Cause after u smashed ur head into the wall@hard enough ofc itll break
trim shadow
Chengdu will probably still try to run some hyper dive
minor flame
they are inconsistent asf
tropic herald
Wonder who will sign Water though
trim shadow
Also take into effect how sigma might be used
feral wing
dude
minor flame
Sigma is the biggest wild card
trim shadow
Think dallas will
feral wing
they either play shanghai or philly
trim shadow
And maybe trade taimou or akm
tropic herald
Dallas really could take Water
feral wing
of course london move on when they play either philly or shanghai
dusk sphinx
Sigma is so hard to make work in this meta though
trim shadow
Apperantly whoru and dallas were in talks
Not rlly
Sigma has accreation for ult cancelling
tropic herald
Sigma and Zarya looks strong
trim shadow
His ult@combos with everything
dusk sphinx
He is countered HARD by Mei, but he does counter Hog Orisa
trim shadow
And then his shield can be deployed anywhere
dreamy cave
30$ hunters play sigma when hes available
tropic herald
Sigma is like Brig last year just not dummy broken
trim shadow
His primary does massive damage to
dusk sphinx
Yeah his versitility is his trademark
minor flame
we have not seen Sigma played on pro level
Sigma can be the biggest wild card of playoffs
actually
CHENGDU
minor flame
could fucfking use Sigma
dusk sphinx
Then again his DPS is just awful, his speed is crazy low and his cooldowns are long
minor flame
yeah thats why we dont know how much impact he would have
his dps is awful?
his dps is good
dusk sphinx
Yeah
minor flame
as long as you hit shots
trim shadow
He has good dps df u mean
karmic grotto
He is a tank
minor flame
Sigmas weapon is hard to aim with
karmic grotto
That's why he is more of a main tank than off
minor flame
cause its one of a kind
trim shadow
Its more about bouncing your shots correctly
minor flame
Sigma can be played as a main or off tank
dusk sphinx
His DPS is awful, it's just that it comes in bursts that makes him get the kills
karmic grotto
Playijg as off tank with bad damage
minor flame
its ranged 120 dmg with direct shots
tropic herald
His dps isn't awful if it gets kills
minor flame
that ricochets
echo quest
I wonder where will Mag go
karmic grotto
It's not always that he gets 120 dmg
tropic herald
His boulder is a pretty strong ability too
minor flame
Sigma could combo the best with Hammond
trim shadow
Accreation
echo quest
Best MT in Korea
dusk sphinx
DPS in bursts is what makes it look like he has high dps
dusk sphinx
Anyways he's Dutch so I love Sigma by default
tropic herald
So far I've seen Sigma with Zarya or Orisa
minor flame
yeah acuse those are the strongest
dusk sphinx
I'm like a Sigma OTP this season
minor flame
if Chengdu can invest in Sigma
they really can
and can be the first team to make him work
in a hammond comp
dusk sphinx
Anyways imo Sigma is better as off tank than as main tank
trim shadow
Ameng can probably easily pick up sigma so
tropic herald
Elsa could pick up SIgma
dusk sphinx
As main tank he gets overrun far too easily by Mei Reaper
trim shadow
Sigma orisa would be the comp if u want sohma as a off@tank
tropic herald
We haven't seen him in pro play though so this is all kind aspeculation
tropic herald
and his vortex
minor flame
Accretion is so fucking good
dusk sphinx
Sigma as main tank is just not working from my experience
minor flame
its basically a ranged DF punch
dusk sphinx
Especially not vs the current meta
minor flame
it has the best potential
trim shadow
If you get yeeted into a wall by accreation it does more damage
Also vortex can eat ults..or use to?
dusk sphinx
His CC ability is NUTS though
tropic herald
Sigma has high skill floor and ceiling so he's not for everyone
minor flame
Vortex is basically a Deflect + Dva eat
trim shadow
And it gives armor
dusk sphinx
Long ranged, Splash damage stun that lasts a really long timr
tropic herald
Vortex eats all projectiles and blocks hooks
dusk sphinx
Its pretty busted
minor flame
not busted if hes one of the hardest characters in the game
trim shadow
You can shoot it like a dva bomb
dusk sphinx
I like it that it also Works as a beam
trim shadow
and get a stun over a wall
minor flame
you mean like a nade
dusk sphinx
AKA, Dva and Sigma can't eat it
tropic herald
Accreation will prob get nerfed but i don't think vortex is that strong
minor flame
Accretion being nerfed sounds fucking stupid
tropic herald
Accreation can only stun on directs
minor flame
Vortex is pretty strong in pro play
Shield management is everything in this meta
Vortex compensates time
tropic herald
you already know that its gonna get nerfed bc of the complaints
dusk sphinx
Yeah he's fine as he is simply cause he's so odd to play in most comps
minor flame
what complaints
trim shadow
It already leaves him vunerable
minor flame
wtf
tropic herald
people don't like stuns
trim shadow
Unless a dva Protects him with d matrix
tropic herald
no matter how skillful
dusk sphinx
He's a bit like a glass cannon already
minor flame
Accretion is one of the lightest stuns
tropic herald
its a knockdown
tropic herald
it can get up to 3s if you meet it
dusk sphinx
His bombs are the major problem if anything
tropic herald
yeet
dusk sphinx
In terms of, you can blast them behind shields easily
tropic herald
but you still have to be close to the enemy and need walls
dusk sphinx
So you can charge your Ultimate very rapidly and the ult, let's be honest, is CRAZY OP
trim shadow
His ult is basically
minor flame
not really
minor flame
his ult is pretty fight winning but its not better than grav
trim shadow
It also leaves people exposed
tropic herald
a lot of ults are fight winning
minor flame
^
dusk sphinx
It is 100%
dreamy cave
so no one is going to talk about that fight that just happened?
trim shadow
If sigma came in 333 he would be something like zarya
dusk sphinx
Makes it easier to focus fire and combo with ults than grav
trim shadow
Or you can run him with zarya
dusk sphinx
Especially if Pro's use it
minor flame
grav is the easiest ult to combo with
dusk sphinx
Not anymore
vale pond
Atlanta is the best team
tropic herald
no
tropic herald
SFS are still top
feral wing
shock is better
vale pond
It could go either way head on
minor flame
im calling SFS honestly
tropic herald
im literally a ATL fan but im gonna admit SFS would take a 1v1
dusk sphinx
Sigmas ult leaves them all exposed, can't be eaten, and doesn't even need another ult since everyone is exposed anyways so pro's will just focus fire 1 or 2 people down and win a fight
trim shadow
Sfs because theyre so much depth on that team
vale pond
Sfs almost lost when they played
feral wing
ehh
vale pond
Oof
dusk sphinx
It ignores Orisa barrier, Immortality shield
tropic herald
SFS has soooo much depth
feral wing
nevix is very talented
vale pond
atlanta is very good as a team together
trim shadow
Sigma also@gets exposed using it
vale pond
Kudos to the coaches
tropic herald
every single player for SFS could be on the starting roster
vale pond
Ligma
trim shadow
So itll be interesting to see how the ult will be used
vale pond
Atl is slightly less individual talent
tropic herald
wow
vale pond
On paper
tropic herald
i can't type
feral wing
shock are just like florida at the start of last year
every player could be in the starting lineup
oh wait
tropic herald
wait
trim shadow
Atlanta is super star
Sfs is we have a number 1 and 2 and they could start anywhere
vale pond
Wait
mental estuary
Its MLG time
karmic grotto
ATL vs SFS, let's go
dreamy cave
idk man. sinatra and striker on SFS are a bit of a bad duo
karmic grotto
Actually, Titans vs SFS rematch
vale pond
that game is probably gonna happen
minor flame
SFS wins
vale pond
atl sfs
minor flame
like gonna be honest
dreamy cave
rascal is good and achitect more so
vale pond
It would be a close map
feral wing
sfs are the best team in the league
dusk sphinx
Atlanta and Shock are the best cause they don't have weak parts, like Justice or Titans do
dusk sphinx
The tanks, supports and DPS are all good
vale pond
or neither of them
feral wing
london
trim shadow
Its the next up that should conscern the titans
vale pond
London can lose thx
dusk sphinx
While the Justice lack in the tanks
feral wing
seoul will be 8th no matter what
minor flame
SFS players are all star players
dreamy cave
sfs depending on the dps they play. could lose
feral wing
no wait
trim shadow
Between new york hangzhou or the 8th
tropic herald
Titans face 8 i thought?
minor flame
except for Super
dusk sphinx
And the Titans in the dps
vale pond
sansam has stepped up
feral wing
vancouver plays 8th
minor flame
Supers not that star of a player
plucky rune
yo how did spitfire get 4-0'd
feral wing
they play seoul
minor flame
by playing bad
vale pond
super is a good rein
dusk sphinx
Super is still really good
trim shadow
Spitfire got whooped
minor flame
and got picked
trim shadow
All we can say
vale pond
@plucky rune atlanta is one of the bes tin the league
tropic herald
Super good rein super bad orisa
dusk sphinx
Just not as versitile
vale pond
And spitfire is the spitfire
dreamy cave
but rien isnt in meta
minor flame
Rein Sigma time
trim shadow
Rein has a passive now remember
plucky rune
thought spits were good
trim shadow
-30% knockback
dusk sphinx
Orisa Sigma man
trim shadow
But that doesnt help his kit
vale pond
Spit is talented players in ranked
trim shadow
Spit has always been clutch over talent
dreamy cave
if they sub super in to play orisa over smurf. theyll lose
dusk sphinx
His new ability doesn't do much vs Mei though
tropic herald
that rein passive was really just to make him able to get up to orisa
vale pond
He needs a shield buff
minor flame
yeah like hes still getting shredded
trim shadow
That rein passive is to help him not get bullied by doom@andBrig
tropic herald
Rein passive affects knockbacks nothing else
minor flame
which is not the meta
vale pond
brig needs buffed
dusk sphinx
It does help him vs Dive and Pharmercy A LOT
vale pond
Heavily
dusk sphinx
Just not vs Orisa Hog
tropic herald
not hevily
trim shadow
Brig is just dead
feral wing
Vancouver vs Seoul, Vancouver wins
NYXL vs London, London Wins
Shock vs Atlanta, Atlanta wins
Hangzhou vs Gladiators, Gladiators win
these are my predictions ^
of course we could see vancouver vs guangzhou, but i still think vancouver win in a scenario like that too
tropic herald
Brig needs time
trim shadow
Even with the kit rework
dreamy cave
im pretty sure sigma is able to be halt hooked
minor flame
Brig kinda sucks at her job
you have to play frontline
and
youre so squishy
you have more hp than your damn shield
dusk sphinx
Although I can see the SF Shock running a Rein Zarya Mei Reaper Lucio Ana neo-Goats comp
Wouldnt surprise me at all
tropic herald
@feral wing your first 2 i agree but the other two are iffy
vale pond
Atl shock could go either way
echo quest
Tf is this
vale pond
It depends on the day
minor flame
Hangzhou vs Gladiators, Gladiators win
feral wing
shit nvm
echo quest
SFS>ATL any day
feral wing
shock win
minor flame
Spark just beat Glads
echo quest
Of the week
feral wing
sorry lads
trim shadow
Brig is a weaker bap
minor flame
Brig is only used if you Brig Lucio and even then
vale pond
Atl would fighr hard for it
minor flame
its not that good
dusk sphinx
SFS is not much better than Atl atm. Imo they're equal
trim shadow
Brig is just there to relax tracwr
minor flame
ehhhh
echo quest
Bet
trim shadow
Tracer
feral wing
anyways I think finals will be either london vs shock or vancouver vs shock
raw ermine
bomb kills
minor flame
SFS has had way more cohesion
dusk sphinx
It will depend on the day
feral wing
shock win anyways tho
vale pond
Shock is more consistent
minor flame
I think theyre overall more solid
tropic herald
Big brain play from ATL is to purposely lose to dallas or boston so they aren't seed 6
minor flame
and their individual talent is better
vale pond
Also no atl has better cohesion as a team
echo quest
SFS has better dps
feral wing
shock are season 2 champions
dusk sphinx
Since the Reign have much better DPS than the Shock
minor flame
lol
echo quest
Architect and Rascal is yo much
minor flame
nah
vale pond
Or they just pull the plug on glads so they face spark again
dusk sphinx
And Erster could Corey the game for the Reign
raw ermine
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
vale pond
Besides it double elim
tropic herald
Erster competes with SFS but baby bay andNlaeeer not so much
echo quest
Bro I love babybay but he is not better than architect or Rascal
dusk sphinx
Again it depends on the day
vale pond
so it doesnt even matter
trim shadow
Erster is like..The leave of Koreans
minor flame
Carpe is like
trim shadow
Espect he cant tank
dreamy cave
architect and rascal are good dps. and smurf is a good main tank. but if they sub them out it could prove to be a loss for sfs
minor flame
the eastern zachareee
dusk sphinx
Well what do the Shock have? Architect? Please he's not that good
minor flame
??????????
echo quest
Bruh
tropic herald
uh
echo quest
What
minor flame
bruh
vale pond
Hot take
echo quest
Your trolling
vale pond
youre
trim shadow
Sinatraa is a ok at his dps
tropic herald
Architect isn't that good? bruh moment
trim shadow
Sinatraa and Architech is the combo i fear
dreamy cave
sinatra is not who u would play though
echo quest
Makes me even more mad about Krystal
trim shadow
Idk how erster nlaeer will dance woth em
tropic herald
thats dive
echo quest
Sinatraa is a mode specialist
vale pond
Toe to toe erster is better than sinaatra and babybay/nlaaer is worse than arch
trim shadow
If krystal wasnt a dick
dusk sphinx
He gets outclassed by Erster, Sinatraa is probably better than Nlaerr indeed
tropic herald
Sinatraa is atm a tracer lol
minor flame
Sinatraa
is surprisingly more flexible
than I thought
and hes pretty good with that flex
vale pond
erster is still better
tropic herald
i swear he's always been a one trick tracer fo r the longest time
echo quest
Rascal and Architect > Babybay and Erster
dreamy cave
nlaaer is probably just as good as architecht
echo quest
Reign Fans being delusional is funny
raw ermine
46
trim shadow
Hes a compliment to erster
minor flame
its kinda hard to tell
vale pond
nlaaer is a good mei and thats kind of it
trim shadow
Kinda like stratus is to corey
trim shadow
@echo quest aye fook u
echo quest
SFS will dick On Reign any day
vale pond
@echo quest people underrating reign is funny
minor flame
I think Reign is just not as coherent as Shock
dusk sphinx
Architect doesn't beat Erster though. And that hurts A LOT
minor flame
bruh
echo quest
That’s arguable
tropic herald
Reign SFS is 3-2 either side
vale pond
^
dusk sphinx
Since Erster does have a lot of clutch potential
vale pond
60-40 to sfs
trim shadow
Oh yea i do reign taking san fran to map 5
trim shadow
But losing by DACOS FUCKING TOE NAIL
tropic herald
its gonna be close no matter what
minor flame
I just think Shock just have way better teamplay honestly
vale pond
so it doesnt even matter
minor flame
theyre just more solid
echo quest
Also Tankline is better for Shock
minor flame
overall
echo quest
Choi is the best offtank in the league
tropic herald
if ATL loses they take the losers brakcet
dreamy cave
if they sub smurf out though
minor flame
Support line is incredibly strong
dreamy cave
they could lose a map
echo quest
I mean I would prefer Mano over Smurf or super
dusk sphinx
Well... Idk the main tank of the Reign is better imo while the Shock have a better off tabk
echo quest
No
tropic herald
if SFS had mano that would be the next upgrade
dreamy cave
supers orisa is garbage
vale pond
I would prefer frd
trim shadow
Pokpo has improved tbh
vale pond
hogchanp
dreamy cave
super cannot play orisa
minor flame
FRD over Choi?
dusk sphinx
Also Dogman isn't very consistent so it will depend on how he playes
trim shadow
Hes not dying as much
tropic herald
Mano is easily the best MT
echo quest
Not really
vale pond
Dogman is better now
dusk sphinx
If he has a good day, Reign win probably. If he doesnt, Reign lose probably
minor flame
that could be said with anything
echo quest
He’s literally the only few players that perform for XL during playoffs
dusk sphinx
That's just how close the teams are
minor flame
ehh
vale pond
tbf good day and they win is probably true for the reign
Enough inconsistency that it would probably make the difference
It happened last time they played
dusk sphinx
Personally I would give the Reign the edge looking at their dominance this week
vale pond
Shouldve won but threw last 2 maps
dusk sphinx
But it will be very close
echo quest
Beating London doesn’t mean shit
minor flame
Shock has also been really dominant though
vale pond
@echo quest ok buddy
dusk sphinx
It does since they're still concidered a good team
vale pond
cool belief thanks for sharing
minor flame
what?
dreamy cave
whats shocks past wins been looing like?
echo quest
@vale pond they lost to Mayhem’s B team lmao
dusk sphinx
Also they beat the Justice who many people thought to be the best team in the League this Stage
minor flame
thats a meme
trim shadow
Honestly
minor flame
no one really thought that
vale pond
london looked like shit tbf but reign have dumpstered every team they faced
trim shadow
If u look at justice top down
tropic herald
then again Atlanta has had an easier schedule this stage
trim shadow
They are the best
minor flame
Justice just looked great with Corey
trim shadow
When u factor in ellivote and lulsish
minor flame
they are good
they are pretty good
but Corey carrying that match just brought the hype
dusk sphinx
Justice are atm still a top 5 team
minor flame
and kinda just made it a meme that theyre the best team
dusk sphinx
London are top 8 too
dreamy cave
if atlanta take map 1 they might lose confidence and if they have sinatra in for map 2 that might as well be a map loss as well
echo quest
Glads won’t lose
minor flame
dont see Glads losing to Val
minor flame
Val has been looking meh this stage
dusk sphinx
Also don't forget the Reign can expose weaknesses of top teams rather well, as they did before with NYXL
minor flame
you say that like its a easy thing
echo quest
U right, Spark might just nae nae on Reign if they play
minor flame
NYXL is probably the easiest top team weakness to exploit
echo quest
Like u said
minor flame
cause they rely on a few ppl
echo quest
You never know
vale pond
gangshid is mad lul
echo quest
Im not lmao
vale pond
fun username
dusk sphinx
In Goats meta the Reign were pretty much the only team next to the Titans to beat them
echo quest
Just saying if Y’all play SFS, your gonna get dicked on
dusk sphinx
So what do you mean easy to expose their weakness?
vale pond
but nae naeing of shock vs reign isnt the same as against spark
For one, spark are shit
echo quest
Debatable
dusk sphinx
If the Reign were pretty much the only ones to do it
trim shadow
Chengdu*
vale pond
For two, we’ve established that the game could go either way
dusk sphinx
Then again, there's a reason they only lost to the Titans and Reign really
trim shadow
The last 3 matched are meaningless
dreamy cave
atlanta would not get dicked on. sfs are good but so is atlanta, it wouldnt be a 1 sided match regardless @echo quest
minor flame
as far as we know
trim shadow
Unless dallas starts upseting guangzhou
minor flame
the last 3 stages are worthless to base off of
the meta is now completely different
and everyone actually learned how to play the game
dusk sphinx
The Titans won by brute force, the Reign beat them with Great counter strategy
dusk sphinx
5? You mean 3?
tropic herald
You mean 2?
echo quest
Reign are locked top 6 right?
tropic herald
2?
minor flame
not yet
tropic herald
NYXL was not even close to shock or Titans
echo quest
Glads are locked
dusk sphinx
The Gladiators were best of the rest
echo quest
For t6
vale pond
@echo quest basically
minor flame
Glads and Spark were showing up stage 2 and 3
and actually shown to be a good team
so were Val but theyre
just inconsistent
vale pond
they’re locked if they best dallas and boston
dusk sphinx
Then again, best of the rest
dreamy cave
ehhh spark were a bit inconsistant
tropic herald
Val is not inconsistent they are consistently 2-3 a lot of games
dusk sphinx
Philly is the Ultimate middle of the Road team
minor flame
Spark was pretty underlooked in stage 2 and 3
vale pond
Philly is tradh
minor flame
when they faced the top teams
minor flame
they actually had close games
tropic herald
Spark before this stage went undefeated to anyone except Shock and Titans
dusk sphinx
Same with Dynasty
obtuse moat
the prophecy was true
tropic herald
And some stage 1
echo quest
Imagine if London repeats s1
dusk sphinx
The Gladiators just got wiped by the top 3 and further wiped everyone lower than them
dreamy cave
yeah, but sometimes they would lose games 1 sidedly
echo quest
@dusk sphinx 3-2 is wipe?
tropic herald
LAG was the definition of gatekeeper
dusk sphinx
And then you had the Dragons lameplaying their way through the competition in stage 3
minor flame
wtf is lameplaying
echo quest
You mean smacking through top teams to a playoff win
dreamy cave
shd won stage 3 without a doubt
minor flame
SHD has convincingly won Stage 3
dusk sphinx
The fact they pretty much only win through Pharmercy
minor flame
bruh
echo quest
Ok?
tropic herald
The Dragons found a team comp that they could play very well and destroy GOATs
dusk sphinx
And if they don't play Pharmercy they're a bottom tier team
minor flame
if Pharmercy is that easy to counter then just win 4head
echo quest
I don’t get your point?
tropic herald
It was more than just pharmercy
tawny sigil
and then Shanghai as convincingly gone back to mediocrity
echo quest
Playing to your strengths is bad?
dreamy cave
it was a 3-3 meta where they beat teams who played goats
minor flame
debunking Shanghais comp to just pharmercy is underselling it hard
dreamy cave
its a strat regardless
tropic herald
Pros get paid to win why would you not play what makes you win
minor flame
considering that Goats is a literal counter to Pharmercy
echo quest
Not really getting your point
dreamy cave
its pharmacy its not like runing bastion bunker every map
dusk sphinx
Well what else do they have next to Dding at Pharah?
echo quest
Don’t forget Doomfist
minor flame
Youngjin Fist is fucking godly dude
tropic herald
Doom and Widow gods
echo quest
They won due to triple@Dps
echo quest
^
dreamy cave
if u think that dding was the only reason they won matches then ur a bit confused to count out their other dps
dusk sphinx
Idk for me it was just really boring to watch Pharmercy over and over agaib
tropic herald
It’s like saying Titans and Shock lameplayed? Stage 1 and 2
minor flame
one team playing pharmercy bored you
echo quest
For you
echo quest
It was pog
minor flame
and bad goats
tropic herald
BabyRage they played Pharah and mercy BabyRage
echo quest
Seeing Youngjin smash Shock into a wall
dreamy cave
if thats the case i guess u didnt like the hunters on ball
dusk sphinx
Goats was fun imo, actually showed the skill of entire teams
echo quest
Fuck no
tropic herald
Uh
dreamy cave
ew
dusk sphinx
Instead of just one guy carrying the game
minor flame
Goats was fun to watch but only good Goats
tropic herald
It showed how to press q together
minor flame
the teams that arent good at goats
dreamy cave
goats was just teanks and supports with no dps
echo quest
^
tropic herald
Shock GOATs was fun to watch and that was it really
trim shadow
No goats was fun to watch
echo quest
I can watch Shock vs Titans goats all day
dusk sphinx
I bet if Goats didn't last as long as it did, people would love to watch it
minor flame
duh
echo quest
No
trim shadow
when shock did goats you just saw 6 men beating up on kids
minor flame
thats the literal thing with stale metas
everyone wants map dependent metas
even though it will probably
never exist
trim shadow
Thats A blizzard problem
tropic herald
Stage 1 Finals was easily the best GOATs game
trim shadow
Its all down to there hero design
echo quest
The best game of all time is the Kongdoo vs Runaway contenders finals
Holy shit that was pog
dusk sphinx
Well I bet triple dps would have people bored at half a stage as dominating meta already
dreamy cave
goats was only fun when it was teams considerably equal in skill. other than that u had hunters that ran ball and got some wins which was fun and then shd that made dding and diem run through other teams playing goats. and were practically unstoppable.
minor flame
literally no one likes a dominating meta
because most dominating metas last too long
and are better than the rest by a long shot
minor flame
was dive fun after 2 years of the same thing?
was goats fun after seeing 14 teams struggle to do it
dusk sphinx
Imo it was
trim shadow
14 high level pro teams
nova wadi
It was fun seeing teams struggle ye
balmy wolf
I love the difference between justice and eternal justice is always smiling and having fun while paris is always so damn serious
nova wadi
Blase on tank tho 😩
minor flame
Blase is a poor ass kid
he gets in brig jail for 3 stages
then gets into tank jail
dusk sphinx
Since teams just didn't want to adapt. Looking at the Reign again, the Atlanta, an average Goat team beat the NYXL multiple times at their own game
trim shadow
@balmy wolf thats probably cause of kruise
echo quest
Chengdu is lit, didn’t succumb to their handicaps
nova wadi
Talking about blase I hate r/cow so fucking much dude
trim shadow
Hes a series mf
nova wadi
I don’t think you can blame him for being annoyed by it though
minor flame
cause they fucking lost to charge and valiant
in stage 2
they were the most inconsistent
echo quest
Lul
dusk sphinx
It wasn't as much carries from players like Corey, which I really liked
echo quest
Hydration is pog at a lot of heroes
minor flame
this metas been the worst to watch and probably worst for the players
imagine being the Dva
echo quest
He’s played lucio in owl
minor flame
and you get frozen
all the fucking time
youre the main target
thats why you cant play the game most of the time
cause Mei and Hog is such a fucking shithead of a meta
dreamy cave
hydration is a good phara and genji right? those are his 2??
echo quest
Aye Hog is fine g
echo quest
Mans been a niche pick for 3 years
balmy wolf
Rascal stuck in support jail
dreamy cave
rascal killed on healer tho
dusk sphinx
The Worst meta was anything that included Sombra
echo quest
No Lie I just want to see Eqo on Genji
nova wadi
Oh for sure this is the cc meta
balmy wolf
Imagine having a character with hard CC for their primary fire.
dusk sphinx
Fuck that hero EMP to win literally
dreamy cave
rascal played baptise the best
minor flame
dude
balmy wolf
Rascal is a nutty bap
nova wadi
@dusk sphinx except emping still lost sometimes