esports-discussion

[dapper lantern]

you don’t have to fluff your statements

[balmy wolf]

the heroes that would be banned the most would be sombra, dva, widow, ball, orisa, brig, mercy, and moira

[echo quest]

You must be a pepega player my guy

[balmy wolf]

should we ban all of those heroes?

[velvet scarab]

what

u ban 2 heroes per game

1 per team

[balmy wolf]

Sombra is also a team orientated dps player my guy

[sinful rune]

In owl she isn't played much, but on the main game

[balmy wolf]

i mean who cares about the main game

lmao theyre not owl for a reason

you wanna talk about owl lets talk about owl

since this is #esports-discussion ;)

[dreamy cave]

its not ur doomfist, whos soloing ppl in ur backline by himself

[echo quest]

How accurate is overbuff

?

[balmy wolf]

not very

[dapper lantern]

wasn’t it at one point?

[balmy wolf]

depending on the stats youre looking at

[dapper lantern]

but not so much anymore

[velvet scarab]

give me my attention pls

[echo quest]

Hero pickrate

[balmy wolf]

for sr/time periods yeah its very accurate

but all the stats are like

at your rank

[echo quest]

Would it be inaccurate for that?

[sinful rune]

@dapper lantern have you gone to twitch.tv and watched an Overwatch streamer? No? Didn't think so, because if you have watched an OW streamer before you'll know that most of them hate sombra, except for people like fitzy who basically one trick them

[minor flame]

ok so both the teams i cheered for lost

amazing

i love sports

[dapper lantern]

?????

[balmy wolf]

i mean i literally play with streamers

and streamers are in my scrim lobbies

[dapper lantern]

I don’t watch streamers apparently

[balmy wolf]

i think i know more about streamers than you lol

[dapper lantern]

glad you know more about who I watch than me

funny

[echo quest]

I doubt sombra is hated that much lmao

[dreamy cave]

what do you mean! ID litterally plays sombra?

[balmy wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/356982030304542720/596824525174472714/unknown.png

bro i literally

coach the streamers

[dapper lantern]

Also nice single out when most of us in here for the most part has been on your ass

but yeah, choose me

[balmy wolf]

you being a random ass viewer doesnt mean you get to speak for them lmao

sombra isnt liked but she has her ample counterplay + she just got nerfed

[dreamy cave]

have you been watching dps players stream?

bc i know a few who play sombra

[balmy wolf]

same with orisa

[sinful rune]

I mean seeing them say "I fucking hate sombra" 15 times a match ...

[echo quest]

A lot of what your saying is from your perspective ngl not from pro players and streamers

[balmy wolf]

you hear then say not see

[sinful rune]

Yeah a lot of streamers hate orisa too

[dapper lantern]

^

[balmy wolf]

and they dont

[sinful rune]

They do

[balmy wolf]

youre just exaggerating for whatever reason

[dapper lantern]

have you never said anything while playing

[balmy wolf]

youre not cool lol

[sinful rune]

No I just watch more than boostio and kephrii

lol

[dapper lantern]

I say “fucking Zen” a lot

[balmy wolf]

i play with more and coach more

[dapper lantern]

but do I want zenyatta nerfed lmao

[balmy wolf]

Sombra ain't even meta in higher ranks of ladder lmao

here lemme make this eaay for you

just copy and paste the following

[echo quest]

Sombra is barely picked in gm...

[sinful rune]

no but she has a right click that instantly removes everything special about the game

[dreamy cave]

most of the time its not the hero, its the person playing that hero at such a high caliber that its hard. when they say "i hate orisa" its more like "this orisa player is too good for me to beat"

[dapper lantern]

Okay

[echo quest]

Ok and?

[dapper lantern]

you have to be trolling

have to be

[balmy wolf]

She has literally one the lowest pick rates in high ladder games

"I want my own ideal overwatch meta to be meta but I'm too pussy to stand behind my words so I'm gonna hide behind some streamers"

copy and paste that

[velvet scarab]

LOL

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf and those streamers say those things out of frustration

[dapper lantern]

^^^

[echo quest]

Your probably think reaper is op

[dreamy cave]

its not the character, its the person playing that character greatly

[dapper lantern]

and that’s also true @dreamy cave

[sinful rune]

The halt ability in general pisses people off

[dreamy cave]

ppl can be dumb sombras and orisas

[dapper lantern]

ever have a good tracer just on your ass the entire match smh

[balmy wolf]

@sinful rune Stop making generalizations for players.

ayyy deflection #178

[echo quest]

Pisses YOU off

[sinful rune]

Yeah and when I had a good tracer on me I acknowledged that they were simply better

[echo quest]

Ok

[dapper lantern]

sure

[balmy wolf]

You don't speak for the thousands of players.

[sinful rune]

But with a sombra, "yay I've been right clicked"

[dreamy cave]

her halt, pulls ppl, it dosnt do damage... ITS HOW WELL U USE IT. thats what makes u a good orisa

[dapper lantern]

bruh

[balmy wolf]

you chose not to shoot the sombra or be isolated enough to where the hack got you killed

[dapper lantern]

you find one ability so game breaking that you have to use big generalizations

[echo quest]

Imma say your gold

[dapper lantern]

ONE WHOLE ABILITY means please ban her

[echo quest]

Or silver

[balmy wolf]

im not gonna say sombra is fun to play against but thats the hero ban you were dying for

sombra IS the hero ban that kills metas lkao

you temporarily ban a hero for 5 seconds

[dreamy cave]

"ive been hacked.." ban hammer

[balmy wolf]

youre whining about the thing you want

[sinful rune]

Sombra or orisa, it can go either way

[echo quest]

I’m frozen = ban hammer

I mean halt hook is pog

[balmy wolf]

guys i refuse to learn how to play against something

ban it

[echo quest]

So satisfying

[balmy wolf]

in a nutshell

[echo quest]

Idk why

[sinful rune]

And it isn't just me, I've heard hundreds of people in team chat say sombra needs to be deleted, never heard one say t hat sombra was a good hero

[dapper lantern]

One whole ability means "I can't do anything about this character so ban her"

WHO

[balmy wolf]

hundreds in a game with 40 million+ players

[echo quest]

@sinful rune people in gold think torb is op

[balmy wolf]

That's because players don't learn to play against her. @sinful rune

[sinful rune]

I've had people on my team say "sombra is a bitch" and then proceed to play her

[balmy wolf]

so <0.001% of the population

[sinful rune]

TORB ISN'T OP LOL

[balmy wolf]

Also every hero is OP in lower ranks if someone is good.

ive seen hundreds say so

every single one of my games theres like thousands of people who think torb is op

[dapper lantern]

just copy and paste what Leggo said lmao

[balmy wolf]

we should ban torb tbh no one likes playing against him

[dapper lantern]

it's very obvious that only YOU think these things

[sinful rune]

Think about it ratio then, 100s say sombra was a bad addition, 0 say she was good, scale that up to 40 million and it's 40 million to 0

[balmy wolf]

his gun has no falloff, you dont even need to build his turret

[dreamy cave]

imm sure u would want to ban hanzo if they never changed his scatter arrow.

[balmy wolf]

everyone says torb is just op, we should ban him

@sinful rune What a big fat troll you are LOL

like look even a t3 team got to contenders with him

[echo quest]

Probably want to ban mei

[sinful rune]

If everyone in gold thinks torb is op, then they should have the right to ban him

[balmy wolf]

clockwork vendetta was just bc torb is op

[dapper lantern]

that's it

[dreamy cave]

was that math my guy?

[dapper lantern]

that's the final straw lmao

[balmy wolf]

(if everyone in gold thinks something is op when it isn't, that just proves that they don't deserve to be a higher rank ;) )

[dapper lantern]

you can't tell me this isn't a troll

[echo quest]

This dude is a dumbass

[balmy wolf]

heres the tldr on comp

[echo quest]

Can’t argue with a troll

[balmy wolf]

if something works in higher ranks and not for you

you dont deserve a higher rank

and vice versa if something doesnt work in higher ranks and does for you (i.e. "but in my elo it works") you dont deserve a higher rank

[dapper lantern]

actual facts

[balmy wolf]

Also F for CV who got reverse swept by the same team who beat them in the 1st place.

[echo quest]

Dumbass is back

[dreamy cave]

if sombra was never made. u would probably ban zarya. and goats would be op all around.

[echo quest]

🤡🤡🤡

[sinful rune]

People have the right to decide if they don't want to play against a hero. if a whole team decides it, then let it be that way. Add the option for the team to not ban at all for yall weirdos that wouldn't like to improve your gameplay experience

[dapper lantern]

zarya is bae

[balmy wolf]

[echo quest]

Show me more quick maths fam

[sinful rune]

I'm a zarya main

I'd never ban zarya lol

[balmy wolf]

yeah i wonder why lol

Ok then I should ban zarya then lol.

Have fun.

zarya hasnt even been a good pick for like

[dreamy cave]

"improve my gameplay experiance"

[balmy wolf]

3 months

fuck are you doing maining zarya

[dreamy cave]

just play a differnt game

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf he’s gold bro

[dapper lantern]

paladins

[dreamy cave]

if u dont like that ur losing to the same character

just go play apex

[echo quest]

Go r6 for hero bans

[sinful rune]

I've been playing zarya for the last 2 years, I haven't gotten to this season

[dapper lantern]

timeout

[sinful rune]

I have like 11 hours on hog (THIS SEASON) and I'm still happy, I feel hog represents me

[dapper lantern]

so you haven't even played

but you make generalizations

[balmy wolf]

heres the gist of it

[sinful rune]

I haven't played zarya this season

[balmy wolf]

you should really try to get better at something instead of making it easier to achieve

thats called taking the easy way out

[dreamy cave]

do you play sombra in high rankings and think "im so overpowerd because i know the machanics of this character greatly"

[sinful rune]

What???

that sentence

[echo quest]

You make a lot of generalizations as well

[dreamy cave]

what your asking for is dark souls with a super easy mode

[balmy wolf]

basically the words you should focus on are

[dreamy cave]

no.

[balmy wolf]

Git, and Gud.

[echo quest]

^^^^

[balmy wolf]

also quality > quantity

[sinful rune]

If 6 people don't like sombra, they shouldn't have to play against her, simple as that

[dapper lantern]

Stop

[echo quest]

Why

[balmy wolf]

they dont

[dapper lantern]

stop

[balmy wolf]

dont play comp if you dont want to care

lmao

[dreamy cave]

if 6 ppl dont like sombra, FOCUS HER

[balmy wolf]

youre literally choosing to be forced to care

[dreamy cave]

make her switch

[sinful rune]

sombra isn't fun in quickplay either

[echo quest]

Bbruh

[balmy wolf]

yes but in qp you shouldnt care that much

is what im saying

[echo quest]

This person is so dense

It’s funny

I’m guessing gold or silver

[balmy wolf]

im just waiting on an upload so i have time to kill

[echo quest]

No one can be this brain dead

[sinful rune]

Uhh plat which is worse than gold tbh, because "plat chat"

[dapper lantern]

oh

[balmy wolf]

https://www.overbuff.com/players/pc/gleepgorp-1362

[dapper lantern]

well that

[balmy wolf]

found it

lol

[dreamy cave]

oof

[balmy wolf]

3 games as orisa

[echo quest]

Plat is just as ass gold so close enough

[dapper lantern]

I thought everyone hated her

[balmy wolf]

ayy uploads done

gnight yall

[sinful rune]

I hate orisa. I want to win though xD

[balmy wolf]

gleep have fun in plat lmao

[echo quest]

Where did the 11 hours of hog go my guys

[dreamy cave]

orisa isnt broken, u should know that if you play her. u cant solo 2 ppl as orisa. u get flanked u die.

[sinful rune]

That account is like level 50, I'd give you my main but then I'd get targeted for my name

[echo quest]

Ight don’t

Just shocked how dense you are lmao

[dapper lantern]

look, no one is trying to pick on you. you definitely have a right to feel the way you do

the issue is

the way you present your opinion as fact

and then make huge generalizations with words "everyone" and "nobody"

[sinful rune]

@dapper lantern nobody is trying to pick me on?

https://gyazo.com/e1354976a835f0d7e2125275f36b0caf

(insert twitch emote)

[dapper lantern]

that's mild

we normally would call you a fucking idiot

[echo quest]

I mean you say the stupidest shit what you expect lmao

[sinful rune]

Here's something more, I named my main Metallica

ooooo

[echo quest]

Ok

What’s special about that ?

[sinful rune]

I get shit for it literally every single match

That's why I made the alt

[dreamy cave]

sorry were not babying you, sorry for treating you like a person who could handle insults

[dapper lantern]

my name is my name and I get shit

[echo quest]

Seriously why? Sounds like a normal name?

[dapper lantern]

part of internet culture

[sinful rune]

"You're as bad as the fucking band. Fucking gay ass metallica LMAOOOOO"

Every game

[echo quest]

Can’t you change your name in ow?

[sinful rune]

Yeah I already used my free name change and dont want to pay money

[dapper lantern]

gotta use that mute button

or grow thicker skin, idk

[sinful rune]

Ok ok insult me, that's one thing, insult my band, that's another

[dreamy cave]

you can chack my stats. my main is AMP9000. x box player.

i play tank

and as youll see i play tank very well

not top 500 or grandmasters.

but as a tank player

[echo quest]

You can change your name in OW for free???? NIASUUUUUU

Let’s go legit did not know that

[dreamy cave]

i can say that orisa isnt a tank that you would ban for being overpowerd or just beacuse of hate and dislike

[sinful rune]

For the first time @echo quest

You'd ban for the halt, most likely

That's the aspect people get tilted by

[dapper lantern]

you have a stupid name, don't you smh @echo quest

[dreamy cave]

im sure anyone in quickplay and rank that plays against a person whos really good on reaper or junkrat or even symmetra would say "i hate this character"

[sinful rune]

Whichever form of CC bothers you most.

[echo quest]

Nah gonna change my alt to a Korean swear word

Ez clap

[dapper lantern]

somehow

I knew you would go there

[echo quest]

Lol

[sinful rune]

I think reaper is underpowered, his abilities are depressing.

[echo quest]

Or I might do EarnItRetrd

[dreamy cave]

halt isnt even op. it pulls people. its how well u use it.

[echo quest]

For Calvin

[sinful rune]

^

I like that

He literally had like 5 accounts in top 10

[echo quest]

Nah 6 in top 25

Don’t think he ever had more than three in top 10

[dreamy cave]

u should just ban lucio then. for boop. since it pushes ppl and does damage. dont want boops in ilios well or off map. cuz thats op and makes ppl rage.

[sinful rune]

I thought he had 4 on the top 10

[echo quest]

Ik Skrr,Calvin and Bambi were top 10 s7

[dapper lantern]

instead of hero bans

[echo quest]

Pegasus was top 15 iirc

[dapper lantern]

let's do ability bans

lmao holy shit, imagine that

[dreamy cave]

it would just be like custom game chill chats

[dapper lantern]

lucio speed ONLY

[sinful rune]

I'm pretty sure people would lock lucio into heals

And then the lucio would just die of depression

ability bans would murder the game in general though, seeing as how abilities are what make it special

[dapper lantern]

mercy damage only

[dreamy cave]

there souldnt be ability bans.

[echo quest]

YoURtrd or EarnItRetrd

[dapper lantern]

first one

[dreamy cave]

especally for someone like bastion. he would never be played

[sinful rune]

EarnItRetrd

[echo quest]

Both goat Calvin quotes

[dapper lantern]

who else would be horrible

[hidden vault]

Why isn't dallas playing unkoe btw?

[dreamy cave]

ana with no sleepdart? zarya with no bubble? rien with no charge? d.va with no matrix? junkrat with no mine?

it would be dumb

[dapper lantern]

rein with only charge

[dreamy cave]

no shield?

[echo quest]

Q: how do I get top 500 Calvin: Earn in retrd

[dapper lantern]

aka most reins lmao

[dreamy cave]

shield is a ability

ban shield. problem solved

thats dumb.

[sinful rune]

I really wish calvin would play in OWL

If he could take the stress, he'd dominate

[echo quest]

He had a 150k Offer

[velvet scarab]

i dont think hed do that well tbh

i remember he made that meme team for open division i think it was

he didnt do too great

[echo quest]

Because he was with gm bums

[velvet scarab]

but probably wasnt trying his absolute best

[echo quest]

Vs 4.5ks

[velvet scarab]

ye but still

[sinful rune]

what

[velvet scarab]

hes just a pub stomper

[echo quest]

Eh

He popped off during pro pugs

[sinful rune]

He wouldn't do well because he doesn't handle stress well and gets tilted, and says the word that's a nono in OW

[echo quest]

Both him and wraxu got invites yet my boi Kephrii didn’t

Feelsbadman

[velvet scarab]

i wish he played in owl though

just to see if he could adapt

[sinful rune]

I'd love to see Samito in OWL.

[velvet scarab]

hed probably just be a worse pine

[sinful rune]

Harbleu too

[echo quest]

His Hero pool is mcree,Genji,Widow,Hanzo

[balmy wolf]

all of those would get fucked hard in owl

[velvet scarab]

yes

[balmy wolf]

calvin was never a proper t1 player, harbleu couldnt even stay in t2, and samito barely is in t2

he was on TSM for a short while but would take a genuine while to even get to their level

[velvet scarab]

when i read samito i laughed a bit

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf no doubt But personally imo Calvin has the mechanics for owl

[balmy wolf]

and nothing else lol

[velvet scarab]

harb i just felt sad

[echo quest]

Why sad for harb

[balmy wolf]

mechanics is the least important aspect of a player

[velvet scarab]

yeah like i said

pub stomper

[balmy wolf]

and harb got kicked off cc when i did

[velvet scarab]

not really pro player

bc i like harb

[sinful rune]

harbleu got fucked over by his ORG, and Samito has good game sense. But I love harb, his game sense is a little whack, but he'd sell jerseys like mad

[balmy wolf]

well actually right after me

[velvet scarab]

but he cant seem to make it

[echo quest]

He had three years can’t learn dvA

His fault

[balmy wolf]

selling jerseys doesnt make a good player

also im sorry what

thats a much too general term than what i think you understand

[sinful rune]

No that was just a statement. He'd sell jerseys like mad.

[balmy wolf]

what do you think game sense is

because its not "the enemy might have trans"

[velvet scarab]

LOL

[sinful rune]

samito has a LARGE cranium and he thinks well in the game

[balmy wolf]

answer the question

[velvet scarab]

pretty sure thats what game sense is leggo

[sinful rune]

Like he the kind of boy that gets legit shotcaller endorsements

[velvet scarab]

are u kidding me man

[balmy wolf]

what do you think game sense is

answer

the question

[dapper lantern]

your sensitivity in game

duh

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf didn’t harb get dropped for not being able to play dva?

[sinful rune]

the ability to think well in combat and plan ahead

THINKING, instead of acting

[balmy wolf]

give an example of planning ahead

@echo quest i cant talk abt it

[sinful rune]

"If push towards us we drop and set up over (insert area) and we engage with (insert ability/ult)"

[velvet scarab]

hard 😢

dude im too sleepy

i literally typed hard

gn

[balmy wolf]

thats not game sense

thats just saying what youll do when people do shit

[echo quest]

I honestly don’t think Krystal will play in oWL again

[sinful rune]

And also knowing when not to engage, samito calls shots a lot, wins because of it

[dapper lantern]

doubt it

[balmy wolf]

shot calling ≠ game sense

[dapper lantern]

he did that to himself though

[echo quest]

Maybe Boston takes him for 50k

[balmy wolf]

and game sense is knowing what the enemy will do

not guessing or reacting

knowing

[sinful rune]

Ok then he has the ability to think, which seems to escape most players

[echo quest]

Krystal is legit an idiot. Goes from being the best dps in China to suspended

[balmy wolf]

everyone can think

not a big deal

[velvet scarab]

effect did it better

[balmy wolf]

LOL

[velvet scarab]

he went back home to fuck his gf

[dapper lantern]

so much happened that weekend

[echo quest]

Lmao

[velvet scarab]

then announced hes gone for good

ez

[balmy wolf]

well

he didnt do that

[sinful rune]

xqc thinks when he plays the video game, yes I agree

[balmy wolf]

judging from the tmz posts LOL

[velvet scarab]

yeahhh

[balmy wolf]

where did xqc come from

[velvet scarab]

we're not gonna talk about that

[dapper lantern]

the Krystal shit and then the prostitute thing with Effect

jesus

[sinful rune]

"Everybody thinks", so I gave an example of someone that doesn't really use their noodle that well

[echo quest]

Krystal went home for a booty call

[balmy wolf]

i mean.. xqc was on OWL and has always been a top winston

pretty sure hes worldwide known as one of the best winstons

[sinful rune]

Yes but sometimes he just isn't smart. You feel?

[balmy wolf]

no i dont feel

elaborate

[echo quest]

Bruh what

He might not be the smartest dude outside of game

[sinful rune]

jumps into team "Oh fuck dude"

[balmy wolf]

the man can hold a stream of 20k+, be a literal professional, and consistently hold t500

[echo quest]

Your talking about xqc streaming

LMAO

[balmy wolf]

ok so lemme break this down for ya

[sinful rune]

He can't consistently gold t500

Sir

[balmy wolf]

his game play ≠ his stream

and yes

heccan

[sinful rune]

Remember when he'd routinely drop to masters?

[velvet scarab]

xqc casually holds it

hes streaming

[balmy wolf]

didnt he drop once when he played dps LOL

[velvet scarab]

hes interacting with chat

[balmy wolf]

xqc on an off day is 4300

[velvet scarab]

and doesnt care

[balmy wolf]

lmao

[echo quest]

@sinful rune and gets it back the next day lmao

[velvet scarab]

just fucking around

[sinful rune]

Xqc is good, very good, I love xqc, but he doesn't use the thinkplant like he should

[balmy wolf]

his "bad" sr is above 99.99% of the fuckin populations hoghest peak

[sinful rune]

Like you don't exactly see him 900IQ'ing the enemy team

[echo quest]

Xqc off stream is easily 4.5

[velvet scarab]

again u are talking about his streams

[balmy wolf]

i mean he got into OWL and can hold the highest rank possible with literally relative ease

Streamers are not playing their best when streaming

and he holds up an audience of 20,000

[velvet scarab]

u will see on team canada 😤

[echo quest]

Calvin,XQC all play better off stream

[velvet scarab]

xqc will pop

[sinful rune]

xqc isn't a strategist, you know he took orders on the team

[dapper lantern]

excuse me, I thought you were going to sleep

[balmy wolf]

hes the main tank

the main tanks give the orders

[dapper lantern]

😤

[velvet scarab]

im sleeping

[balmy wolf]

you do know he was shot caller with fuel right

[dapper lantern]

where

[velvet scarab]

there

[sinful rune]

He's good, I'm not saying he isn't, but he doesn't always display the ability to think

[dapper lantern]

damn, I see it now

my bad

[balmy wolf]

LOL

[echo quest]

You saw the team Canada trials right?

[velvet scarab]

...

[sinful rune]

Remember the time he jumped a pulse bomb into a pharah mercy?

[balmy wolf]

Here we go with the generaliations again

[velvet scarab]

...............

[balmy wolf]

you mean in 2016?

[velvet scarab]

u say that like it didnt happen literally once

[balmy wolf]

LMAOOOOO

Cherry picking my dude

[velvet scarab]

out of his whole career

[sinful rune]

yeah but that shit don't happen to other winstons

[balmy wolf]

they do

lmao

Generalizing once again

[sinful rune]

I've never seen mano jump a pulse bomb into a pharah mercy

[dapper lantern]

That's

[sinful rune]

I've never seen guxue do it

[balmy wolf]

You're cherry picking

[dapper lantern]

such a weird take

[sinful rune]

I've never seen gesture do it

I'm just naming the winstons I've watched

Chillllll

Chillllllll

Chhhhiiillllll

[balmy wolf]

are you, a plat player, telling us that xqc doesnt use his brain, when hes able to hold top 3 winstons in the world

Stop being a brain ded person then my dude

[sinful rune]

I mean he uses his brain so poorly that he literally got kicked out of OWL

[balmy wolf]

i mean he didnt get.kicked out bc of his gameplay

[echo quest]

Nothing to do with his gameplay

[balmy wolf]

theres a reason canada did so well in world cup

[sinful rune]

yeah xqc popped off

[balmy wolf]

i almost never say platchat unironically

[sinful rune]

He still has thinking problems

[balmy wolf]

but holy fucking platchat

Lol

[echo quest]

DK was a pedo yet was the best western player

[dapper lantern]

????

[echo quest]

Got kicked from owl

[dapper lantern]

you also have thinking problems apparently

[echo quest]

Nothing to do with his gameplay

[sinful rune]

because he was an idiot

[balmy wolf]

Krystal also got suspended for being and idiot

[echo quest]

^

[sinful rune]

He made it into professional gaming then fucked over his career

[dapper lantern]

but

[sinful rune]

Yeah krystal is a fucking idiot too

[dapper lantern]

that wasn't related to gameplay

[echo quest]

So Is DK

[dapper lantern]

like we said

[sinful rune]

Like if you literally get paid to play videogames, don't fuck that shit up brother

[balmy wolf]

he still does lol

he makes several times more now than as a pro player

[echo quest]

I mean XQC makes more streaming than playing pro

[balmy wolf]

Xqc makes bank

whats his sub count rn?

[sinful rune]

Yeah, but you can tell he liked playing

[balmy wolf]

im on mobile

[sinful rune]

It's not about the money it's more about the job

[velvet scarab]

he gets paid to play videogames anyway

your argument is so bad

[sinful rune]

27037

is his sub count

[balmy wolf]

you do realize he still plays professiomally right

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf do you think DK was better than western flex players like Eqo,SDB and Agilities?

[balmy wolf]

hes the main tank for gla legion

[sinful rune]

Does he actually play now?

[balmy wolf]

ok so 27000 x 2.5 per montj

Xqc literally grinded top 100 in around 10 hrs

thats a liiiiiittle bit more than 50k a year

He just doesn't give a shit about ladder

[sinful rune]

Ads from the people that aren't subbed is where the real money is at, and donos

[balmy wolf]

also @echo quest i think DK was a bettee general player whereas agilities/sdb were more specialized

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf that’s 810k

[balmy wolf]

and thats from subs alone

[sinful rune]

Wait 50k? @balmy wolf

[echo quest]

It’s 810k

[balmy wolf]

50k is the avg salary yes

[echo quest]

2.5 x 27000

=810k

[sinful rune]

Per year? 27,000 x 2.5 per month is more than 50,000 a year

[balmy wolf]

thanks for checking my math on that

[echo quest]

Your brain dead

[balmy wolf]

its like im talking to a broken door handle

[velvet scarab]

what is even the argument now

im so lost

[echo quest]

I wonder who in the league is paid 50k

[dapper lantern]

how is this getting sadder

as time goes on

[balmy wolf]

@echo quest every boston player lel

lol Boston

LOL

[echo quest]

Lmaooo

Aimgod should leave

[balmy wolf]

ok so I'm gonna delete the message right afterwards so keep your eyes people

[echo quest]

Ooooo

[balmy wolf]

peeled%

[echo quest]

Bruh

[dapper lantern]

what the fuck

[echo quest]

Bruh

[dapper lantern]

no way

[velvet scarab]

ew

[balmy wolf]

keep in mind thats on top of the game house and utilities paid for

[echo quest]

Is mouffin a university student?

[dapper lantern]

that's terrible

[balmy wolf]

i don't remember

moth was lol

[echo quest]

He’s on BU

Academy team

[balmy wolf]

How does that actually meet minimum league salary

it ain't league

that's how

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf that’s contenders

[balmy wolf]

Oh my bad

its loopholes

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf DO you think the FUNI players are paid 6 figures or is that a myth

[balmy wolf]

myth 100%

Maybe above contenders average

id honestly be surprised if its even league minimum

[echo quest]

Maybe like 30k per year

[balmy wolf]

oh i got another one

[echo quest]

O shit

[balmy wolf]

coaches*

[echo quest]

Feelsbadman

Well that explains Note

[balmy wolf]

actually tilting when i going out ngl

mh m

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf do you think mouffin deserved it over Note?

[balmy wolf]

honestly it's hard to say

mouffin has raw talent

he's like s1mple from csgo

whether he can properly use that talent is up to the gods

[echo quest]

Ah so like Iboy from league

@balmy wolf do you think TaiRong will dropped?

Or no

[balmy wolf]

idk enough about him to honestly make a decision

or judgement rather

[echo quest]

What abt arhan

[balmy wolf]

rumor has it hes extremely solid mechanically but its just the synergy issue

[echo quest]

I see

[balmy wolf]

and theres no doubt hes one of the mostnconsistent genjis

or flex dps in general

Being the only korean player on the team doesn't help

so it depends purely on the outlaws new management

[echo quest]

Should’ve been like kariv come 2 years prior to owl

Ez

[balmy wolf]

he tried

[echo quest]

Ivy is better than mangachu imo

[balmy wolf]

[forest raven]

Fuck

[balmy wolf]

Ahhh the old days of lg evil vs immortal

[forest raven]

I have no manga emotes

[balmy wolf]

god the memories

[forest raven]

LGE vs Selfless

Dafran going pharah on ilios

[echo quest]

That Nano blade from Agill onto envy was pog

[balmy wolf]

Man sefless was a baller NA squad

[forest raven]

Utterly dicking jake

[balmy wolf]

bk stars vs envy us

apex

[forest raven]

Taimou's point blank hs on carpe LUL

[echo quest]

It’s crazy how that BK stars squad did so bad

[balmy wolf]

carpe vs taimous widow

[echo quest]

Alarm,Oberon,Carpe,bunny,Bernar are solid ass players

[balmy wolf]

Bad coaching i suppose

[forest raven]

Mighty AOD had Diem, Erster, Kariv and Fate

[echo quest]

And Anamo

[balmy wolf]

Miraculous youngsters was a god tier squad

[forest raven]

Their scoreline in apex s3 lul https://i.imgur.com/tqi7b9r.png

[balmy wolf]

Sucks that dragons didn't pick them up

[forest raven]

I think one or two of them were under 18

Leave still is

[balmy wolf]

I mean still

They were the best chinese players at the time and still are for the most part.

[echo quest]

Imagine being the best dps in China ahead of diem and Erster and throw away your career because your idiot

[balmy wolf]

Even better than leave?

[echo quest]

Leave didn’t play my guy

Isn’t on a team

That’s what makes so fuxking godlike

Go from pro pubg to dicking in the World Cup

Ez

[balmy wolf]

Seeing leave almost beat lunatic hai was so hype

[forest raven]

Classic LH turning on in the 2nd half

[echo quest]

Suprised they didn’t send him to LGE Huya

[balmy wolf]

Probs just want him in the US

[echo quest]

The saddest think about Miro’s downfall was when dominated by a rookie gesture

Shit was sad to watch

He got dicked on

[balmy wolf]

When the support player had similar stats to the MT

[forest raven]

I will never forget

APEX season 2 groups

Misfits vs LH

And Miro primal rages off ilios well to kill tviq pharah

[echo quest]

Just sad to see the envy bois washed

Chips has disappeared

[forest raven]

I'm just glad my boi Surefour isn't washed

[echo quest]

Mickie is a just a Pr dude

[balmy wolf]

Only 3 envyus players live on in OWL

[gaunt acorn]

@forest raven just passive

[forest raven]

idek what that drama is

[echo quest]

Effect gone

[forest raven]

And idc

Effect's an asshole

[gaunt acorn]

sideshow said surefour was the more passive dps of the duo

and decay was the carry dps

[forest raven]

What the

[gaunt acorn]

then surefour got angry and called out the desk

[forest raven]

There is no carry dps on glads

[echo quest]

That would piss anyone off

[gaunt acorn]

and bren called him out in return because it wasn't his take so he should @ sideshow next time

[echo quest]

Ngl

[balmy wolf]

Decay got outmatched by Zach on mei

[gaunt acorn]

then it got messy

[echo quest]

Note just yoinked Every blizzard because decay wash feeding him

[forest raven]

I saw Bren's video

That was fucking hilarious

[echo quest]

Bren hit the woah

He goated

[forest raven]

I'm a massive Surefour fanboy but I don't understand the hate Bren got

At all

[echo quest]

@balmy wolf

Is sinatraa toxic

[forest raven]

I don't think he is

[sinful rune]

Would gods be one of if not the best dva(s) right now?

He eats ultimates like I eat cookies

[balmy wolf]

When sinatraa was young he was kind of toxic but it was to be expected

God's rn is a pretty average dva

[sinful rune]

Average? Really?

His use of DM is superb

Other abilities & positioning lacking or smth?

[balmy wolf]

Its average, nothing stands out that much

[sinful rune]

He's eaten more ultimates than any other dva so far, though

At least in stage 4

[echo quest]

Fury,jjanu,Choi are top 3

[balmy wolf]

Choi is probs the best rn

[echo quest]

Than you have guys like Michelle,mek0 space,Daco

[balmy wolf]

Though chois zarya is yet to be seen

[echo quest]

Gargoyle is nasty

[balmy wolf]

Hog and dva are top 3 tho

[forest raven]

Choi's hog

[echo quest]

Him and Fate are pog

Now

[forest raven]

[balmy wolf]

Chois hog is scary

[echo quest]

Him yoinking Dding from the air was filthy

[sinful rune]

I'm confused though, how is gods only average? Is there anything specific he does, or doesn't do, rather

[balmy wolf]

Theres never really a moment where I thought gods actually carried a match. Most of the time its logix carrying by sheer skill alone.

God's just does his job right with a few bright spots every now and then.

[sinful rune]

I think he carries routinely, saving games by eating blizzards

I don't see other dvas eat near as many ults as gods

It just looks more impressive I guess

All I know is I'd want gods on my team

[balmy wolf]

Eating blizzards isn't a guarantee fight win

[sinful rune]

No but it sure helps a hell of a lot

It's much better than not eating the blizzard

im p sure i saw him eating dragons and a good amount of gravs back during the goats meta

unless i literally have memory loss

[balmy wolf]

Sure doesn't help that they went winless in stage 3

[median snow]

every single owl team is running the exact same comp and its sooo boringgg

at least with three support meta some teams were playing goats and some with a mixture of dps and tank and also all kinds of heros

[balmy wolf]

I mean there were different comps beside mei/reaper.

[sinful rune]

I thoroughly enjoyed seeing the goats v. counter-goats dynamic

[balmy wolf]

Mirror matches is how you get the best chance at winning for the modt part.

[sinful rune]

Where teams would run floats defensively and whatnot

[median snow]

well theres always an orisa with a dva/hog and sometimes rat
theres almost always a mei with a reaper/hanzo and heals are the usual

[sinful rune]

rat? you mean hamster? because rat can refer to junkrat

[severe junco]

teams are just running 2/2/2 goats

that's just how it'll forever be though

team's'll forever be looking to run comps that rely on huge heals and living forever

[hoary plaza]

An anti-healing buff to moira would make things perfect.

Imagine if her damage orb also prevented people being sucked by it from being healed.

[severe junco]

what no

that's the last thing she needs

a less skill required ana nade

[hoary plaza]

Well, Moira is underplayed and hasn't really been meta since her inception. And it'd at least give bunker an ability to work around.

[mental estuary]

moira is often used for ps4 users that cant aim

^^

[woven hill]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=10&v=NBJ2IJ86jr0

Science fair 2019 is open!

https://battlefy.com/lucidscience/the-science-fair-2019/5d4dc2b9815604388f26c6c8/info?infoTab=details

[trim shadow]

How the fuck did new york get taken to a map 5 against a hangzhou without there best dps

[tawny sigil]

power of the prophecy

but the prophecy failed in the end, so sad

[rare magnet]

maybe there should be like a wildcard thing for meta changes like this and stuff Valiant can win all their matches this stage and they cant make finals

[vital scaffold]

Nyxl is just so dumb, they never let pien play

[trim shadow]

New york gets a bye right

Cause atlantic champions

And its not that

They rely to much on set plays

And theyre dps are always hot ncold

[hidden vault]

Their best dps isn't krystal it's Godsb

[trim shadow]

GodsB is mediocre

[little silo]

krystal was definitely supposed to be GodsBs dps partner though

[minor flame]

Krystal pretty much destroyed Spark

Preparing one of the best dps to use in 222

Only for him to fuck off

[trim shadow]

Spark would be top 3 with krystal and godsb as DPS duo

But hey krystal the liar and when they need him the most hes in china in his girlfriends lap

[sullen berry]

@remote shore great pfp

[unreal spade]

Why does there have to be a meta even in role lock i thought they were going to be more verstile with DPS

Not mei reaper

[gaunt minnow]

Mano robbed from MVP. They know he's pogular and dont want another NYXL MVP this year.

Rigged. Corrupt.

[trim shadow]

Reaper is meta cause his teleport is basically a dash

Hes semi devi

[echo quest]

@vital scaffold pine will never play

[vital scaffold]

But he is good so why they don't make him play

[echo quest]

He’s

Not

He plays two heroes

Which nenne plays better

Big geese have never been 4-0ed never will

100wr bitches

[vital scaffold]

Opinion

subjectivity

[echo quest]

Not really

[vital scaffold]

for me this guy is good

[echo quest]

If it was subjective he would be getting played

But he’s not

[vital scaffold]

Oinion

that's what i think

Not the truth

[echo quest]

A wrong one at that

[worn falcon]

The guy is good, yes. But he is very limited to 2 heroes

where you have Nenne who have a better hero pool

[supple prism]

not even the best at the 2 heroes

[echo quest]

Don’t get me wrong he can play other heroes like Genji and Hanzo but he’s average at, libero plays both easily better. Then the two heroes he’s known for Nenne plays them better

[supple prism]

he is there for sales

[trim shadow]

Nenne is hot n cold

Vs

Pine has fancy footwork

U want incosistency or a lamborghini?

[somber breach]

Inconsistency please

[vale pond]

pine is literally the definition of inconsistency

[tropic herald]

Nenne is 50-50

Pine is like 20-80

[vale pond]

oof

[trim shadow]

Nenne is 0–100

Pine is 25-50

[trim shadow]

Was gonna tune into the game

But its london v houston

Nvm

[willow moon]

Houston’s gonna win mark my words

[trim shadow]

Houston cant even win a walking race

[balmy wolf]

Looks like casters we're right in how Houston can't attack.

[willow moon]

Florida x London made me believe in everything

[wintry kraken]

oh no, Malik's secret is out

[midnight sage]

Why is Houston so bad this stage

They were doing much better last stage

[north beacon]

Poor outlaws

No playoffs

[karmic grotto]

outlaws need to

completely replace the team

[north beacon]

Watch next season theyre all Korean

[karmic grotto]

They don't need to

Just sign players that are benched or fresh player from Contenders (even better)

[willow moon]

I support contenders players

[echo quest]

Go all Korean ez

[balmy wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/458444653923008512/609841544178040833/EBomnHMWkAAjEOH.png

[karmic grotto]

xD

[echo quest]

Lmao

[willow moon]

F

[karmic grotto]

welp

time for Leggo to take over Outlaws and bringing it to new heights

STONKS

[gaunt acorn]

you're posting cringe bro

[echo quest]

Nah

[karmic grotto]

:(

[echo quest]

Just FAX

[karmic grotto]

Feels like Outlaws should play like they did in route 66

all of nothing, in this case, play like you have already lost

and you will keep winning

[echo quest]

Linkzr is a bot

Put in Jake

[vagrant jacinth]

Who you guys got, Seoul or Toronto?

[quartz cairn]

DId the last league pick for Outlaws VS Spitfire glitch for u guys

it was something with the DPS, most solo kills or something

and it checked them all as correct?

[tawny sigil]

Gods, not malding today

[unreal spade]

I don't watch OWL matches but i thought that to i would roll out in lijiang tower control center and get a multikill

Tobi*

As lucio

But instead they are playing it safe

I got exicited when the first map was lijiang just for the boops

[balmy wolf]

rollouts like that are asking for a lucio to get picked off right away

[tawny sigil]

you were expecting them to have no coordination and just give free kill for the camera?

[balmy wolf]

lucio needs to taxi his team anyway

[unreal spade]

Oh so the boops only happen in normal competitve matches

Ok

[tawny sigil]

they dont happen at the start like they do cause you told your team to not go to the bridge and they go and all die

boops normally happen in very chaotic situation

[raw ermine]

is there a toronto defiant discord server?

[tawny sigil]

Small michelle

[gaunt acorn]

@raw ermine https://discord.gg/defiant

[azure harbor]

reaper/mei meta

[raw ermine]

sick

thanks

[supple prism]

play with despair always gets me

[azure harbor]

not Fits` best day

[wintry kraken]

fits was playing "drop dead"

[azure harbor]

Michelle

[balmy wolf]

dude if i could take over outlaws i would

remove rawkus and jake

bam

playoffs material

[azure harbor]

outlaws without J LUL KE?

[tawny sigil]

mah boyz, the dynasties

[swift garden]

yo this is the first OWL game i've seen in a while

It's no longer Goats VS Goats?

[balmy wolf]

congratz

ur out of goats

[swift garden]

I might actually start watching now

[balmy wolf]

into whatever it is we call mei reaper bunker

[swift garden]

sounds cool

[balmy wolf]

pun intended?

[swift garden]

nope

lmao

[willow moon]

lol

[supple prism]

its Goats 2: 2-2-2 Edition

[frozen perch]

i've wanted mei nerfs for a while now

[supple prism]

in what way

[balmy wolf]

Truth be told; I do think Mei needs a nerf; Like being unable to freeze a target for 5-10 seconds after freezing it the first time and it not dying

[tawny sigil]

that payload is on cruise control

[willow moon]

lol it rly is

[tawny sigil]

people used to suck on 2CP defence, now they suck on hybrid defence

[frozen perch]

@supple prism her ammo

she doesn't need 200 to kill squishies nor even to chase genjis

all that ammo does is allow her to freeze stack tanks over and over

[tawny sigil]

THE DOUBLE DRAW DREAM IS REAL

dont you dare throw this unique chance away

This is so sad, ALEXA

play despacito 2

[echo quest]

6 bowl cuts vs 1

Advantage Mayhem already

[uneven wren]

i picked florida to win

who else did

[willow moon]

I feel bad for Saya

I think he deserved to be in a better team

[visual glen]

Mayhem using ults like pepegas

[echo quest]

Mayhem throwing

[willow moon]

Agilities

[grand crystal]

why is every team like just koreans now

i mean jesus christr

[visual glen]

Not even a tick

After all those kills

[willow moon]

Dry victory for Mayhem. I liked it

[echo quest]

@grand crystal because the rest suck

Koreans are better

[willow moon]

How did Orisa survive

[echo quest]

Fate niasuuu

[uneven wren]

gargoyle is pog

[desert gull]

did he just say 93% accuracy on gargs hooks?

that's fucking insane

[echo quest]

Gargoyle and Fate got some pog synergy

[mental estuary]

He must of had more

Since I dont think he missed one on attack

[echo quest]

Agill is so inconsistent goes from pog to bot

[mental estuary]

He did kill himself on ot lol

And great tire

[desert gull]

saya vs the valiant LMAO

agil literally just fed his blizzard to gargoyle wtf was he thinking

[mental estuary]

he thought

" ima get potg"

Gargoyle eats another lol

[dreamy cave]

just getting here

is this the first match of the day?

[mental estuary]

No, 3rd

[dreamy cave]

what matches came before this one?

[mental estuary]

Ldn vs outlaws

3-1 for ldn

Seoul vs defiant

2-1 for seoul

[dreamy cave]

damn.. ill have to go back n watch. im surprised it started earlier than yesterday

[mental estuary]

We're saturday

It's normal that it starts earlier on weekend days

" let the feeding continue "

[dreamy cave]

mayhem with this hold

[willow moon]

Sayaplayer ❤

[dreamy cave]

wow

[willow moon]

Wow.

[dreamy cave]

they should do bastion on the push

pirate ship it

or just phara

[visual glen]

Saya is nutty

[mental estuary]

Omfg lol

[dreamy cave]

BIG SAD. cant even push them off

[willow moon]

Saya you mad lad

[mental estuary]

Mayhem lost from this

[dreamy cave]

ksf 99% on blossom too

died b4 he could even try to clutch it

[willow moon]

Feelsbadman

[dreamy cave]

THE PIRATE SHIP

[willow moon]

Called it lmaoo

[dreamy cave]

i so did

[willow moon]

Saya of all people

[dreamy cave]

there doing itt

[willow moon]

This is amazing

[mental estuary]

BQB JUST THREW DUDE

THEY HAD BLIZZARD

[willow moon]

Why

[dreamy cave]

YOOO BIG SAD.

[mental estuary]

BQB YOU FUCKING IDIOT

[willow moon]

Whyy

[dreamy cave]

so close

[willow moon]

WHAT THE FUCK

[uneven wren]

bqb hard throwing

[sinful rune]

yeah that blizzard was very questionable

[visual glen]

NA blizzard

[balmy wolf]

Theres a reason Florida's already eliminated

[willow moon]

Silver Blizzard

[uneven wren]

sem and hex don't even say anything about it

[mental estuary]

bronze blizzard

[dreamy cave]

saya was carrying but bqb to fucking heavy

[echo quest]

Aye LAV still got love for Fate noice

Fate,Gargoyle,Saya and Hago is a pog squad to build around

[mental estuary]

I hope bqb has some very big excuse to this blizzard

Because that just fucking blew so hard

[willow moon]

The thing is bqb was good. He rocked it on Anubis

But what.

[mental estuary]

space

[uneven wren]

bqb cost me a twitch pick

[sinful rune]

was this the first game of the day?

[mental estuary]

no

3rd

[willow moon]

Really sad I lost the London game. Didn't think they'd start this early

[dreamy cave]

sucks they didnt show sayas kills over the match