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#esports-discussion
limber pine
dusk sphinx
Imo the Mayhem are still the worst
limber pine
Mayhem can at least get away with the argument that they've signed new players and are actively playing them
Boston has the same players and are still losing
dusk sphinx
They said the same thing at the beginning of the season too
It has been 4 stages now
limber pine
And boston has 4 wins in 2 1/2 stages and have done little to try to fix it
They both suck. There's really no point in having an argument about who's worse
dusk sphinx
Agreed
That being said, the Fuel are rather poor atm too
As is Dynasty
The Fusion never seem to convince me of much quality either
The Dragons won't be nearly as good this meta as they were with triple dps
dusk sphinx
Probably too limited in hero picks
limber pine
The rumor is that he doesn't get along with Kellex
dusk sphinx
Isn't Zen the 2nd least picked atm?
balmy wolf
Still viable against mei
raw ermine
what's the website that tells pickrates in owl?
jagged crater
are we at the "top teams are sandbagging" phase? i mean it's stage 4, perfect oppurtunity >:)
rip omnicmeta
pearl stratus
My favorite is the 'VANCOUVER ARE SHIT' as they go 2-1.
Or NYXL, as they suffer their first 4-0 in two seasons.
Literally never been done before.
dusk sphinx
Well it does tell they're on the backtrack
tulip mortar
Wonder if nyxl will bring in pine if they suffer another 4-0
pearl stratus
Throw map 2.0
Throw map 1.0 was flower
They need another, up to date, flex. They have no meta players since they can't clone libero.
You see it in a few teams right now. Shanghai has trouble as well since they can't counter new goats with any combo of two, so they have to redefine (map dependent)
If you can't play new goats mirror you need a real good plan since new goats is really easy overall.
pearl stratus
Orisa hog Mei reaper/hanzo. Plays amazingly formulaic. Makes for fun commentary from avast and other pros
They wrote a flow chart for it, and it was right about... 95% of the time. Which I'd how meta works basically.
balmy wolf
I heard them talking bout the flowchart, tho I haven't seen it.
pearl stratus
It's just funny that it's always right, basically
balmy wolf
Same thing with goats, everyone knew what was gonna happen for every fight.
supple prism
Yep, coalescence is the best ult
balmy wolf
NY does have another flex besides libero, problem is that flower is a pretty washed player who messed his fingers up and he hasn't been up to form since.
supple prism
How did he do that
balmy wolf
His aim style is very straining.
Very wrist, finger-tip grip ish.
There is a video explaining different aim styles and one of the examples uses flower. When flower aims he makes a ton of micro corrections when aiming.
balmy wolf
Anyway even when the WC was happening, flower mention that his fingers hurt when he was playing.
robust merlin
Watching n waiting for team Ireland..
hollow wraith
Real shit stop calling 222 death ball comps fucking goats
pearl stratus
For Goats? Yeah, its mostly Lucio Moira. Occassionally Ana Lucio if the map is better for it.
Typically if you run Ana you have to run a D'va to protect the Ana though, so its a modified goats.
formal bramble
Anybody need a healer main ingame ?
willow moon
#lfg-pc-na-ranked or any other lfg channel
balmy wolf
West and East
hidden vault
It just makes amercia contenders much worse than korea
They could increase the participants instead
balmy wolf
Its not like NA contenders ever matched KR contenders in the 1st place
obtuse zodiac
@hidden vault *than
obtuse zodiac
I like correcting people on then/than
That's the new meta
See? esports-related
I said meta
jagged crater
crusty is the bobby knight of ow - interesting comparison
hidden vault
Some times I question if the players in contenders should be in owl instead of some players
balmy wolf
@hidden vault Without naming names there's a list of very valid reasons
- Toxicity. GIGANTIC #1. I can count on two hands players that were denied OWL positions purely because it was clear they wouldn't mesh well at ALL.
- Age. Pretty self explanatory
- Price. Some players think fairly high of themselves and don't want to lock themselves into a contract with a price that they don't think they can support themselves with.
- Reputation. A LOT of players have backgrounds as boosters/throwers (even one that was controversial because he was an avid #throw4dafran-er
dreamy mountain
Which one of the guys on NYE plays/played genji
sullen berry
Libero and Flow3r
hidden vault
Thanks leggo
But the thing about price
Whatever they are offered
Would it still be higher than whatever contenders team could give?
balmy wolf
Yes, however their contracts with academy/signed contenders teams are extremely negotiable compared to OWL
not to mention they are given much more leniency in contenders (2-ways, more freedom with even earlier patches, etc)
btw "think fairly high of themselves" is not a negative statement. I personally encourage all players to not just pick the first salaried contract they see, and there are some massive yikes in terms of contracts in OWL
Outlaws and Boston for example, especially Outlaws' contenders team w/ GGEA's old GM giving false promises
hidden vault
I see
red anvil
A lot of players in contenders have not been picked up because they have had some hefty buyouts from there contender teams
Especially Academy teams where the teams can effectively push up the price on the players, it's a very rough situation for some players.
And often the alternative for those players is to join worse teams, and not being able to show themselves in contenders
balmy wolf
Throwback to when I got told off by one of the producers in the blizzard arena because I was doing the 👌 on stream.
oh yeah and they took my big packet of m&ms 😡
oak heath
Vancouver is now choking coz of role lock
Role lock pretty much destroyed them tbh
They were a strong team while the meta was still goats
umbral pine
And i oop-
severe junco
IMO Justice was just better
oak heath
in that game?
or are they just better than the titans in general and not every other team
severe junco
I think they were better than the titans in general, but i don't think they're the best
it's too soon to tell tbh
dusk sphinx
I wouldn't judge the Justice over a single game
But they certainly look scary now
That being said, vs the Mayhem they were not very special
hybrid helm
Guys I think people expect too much from “meta”
I think we can never have truly diverse meta in owl because it’s not ladder
If brawl strat is good, they’ll play full brawl comp. if Orisa shield based pick comp is good, they’ll play the complementing heroes like Mei and hog
If mobility is good, they’ll play full on dive (and throw in a widow once in a while)
oak heath
dive is good tbh
hybrid helm
I mean that people expect diversity to go beyond team composition
You can’t expect to see Orisa Zarya genji tracer with mercy Moira in owl because the comp is stupid
Yea it can work in ladder but it’s stupid composition
Yea dive was good
hybrid helm
I know but people want hero diversity in pro
hybrid helm
Their expectations are based on ladder
oak heath
would titans be able to bounce back tho?
hybrid helm
Because on ladder you see a stupid level of diversity
I think titans will be able to bounce back but will take them 1-3 weeks imo
Maybe for playoffs they can bounce back but imo not ALL the way back to dominant
oak heath
i mean like, nyxl also lost to chengdu which was pretty shocking since they played a few 2-2-2 during the goats was still the meta
hybrid helm
They were the most experienced goats team by far
oak heath
yeh
hybrid helm
But that also means that they are the most washed up team when it comes to other comps
hybrid helm
In season 1 dive they were
But I think it comes down to practice and coaching
The coaching focus for nyxl and titans was goats
They practiced goats because they were good at it
oak heath
shanghai was on a goats - pharah variant
hybrid helm
But teams like dragons or hunters were never top tier goats so they practiced dps to counter goats
So they are more warmed up with dps strats
oak heath
dding was good with pharah
hybrid helm
Shanghai and hunters were playing so many different things
Which is why I love watching them
Dding pharah is insane
oak heath
still rooting for defiant tho
right from the start i was a fan
but then they started to degrade
idk wtf happened
hybrid helm
I’m still rooting for Seoul
Because jehong haha
Defiant were the most boring team imo.. during stages 1-3
I like them and all but they always played goats and sucked at it
I wished they tried other stuff like dragons or hunters
And I think they were the only ones or from the very very few teams who kept playing goats basically 100% of the time from the lower tier
Maybe justice too.. but I think Justice played some dps rarely
oak heath
dynasty kept playing fleta as brigitte on goats
waste of his talent
he should be clicking heads
but instead he's 1v1ing sombra flankers
hybrid helm
But now with mangachu and logix the defiant are exciting
True but munchkin was feeding on brig
And fleta is a high IQ kind of player
oak heath
he shouldve been good on running pharah tbh
since that type of character required perfect postioning
queen drift
defiant did really well stage 1/2
oak heath
ya kno i kinda missed goats nice dives
dusk sphinx
Defiant have a decent bench, they don't lose as much firepower when their benched players sub in as many other teams do
severe junco
defiant's bench is strong, but they don't need to bench the tanks or dps
Mangachu and Logix can easily go toe to toe with the good teams
Gods/Sharyk are actually surprisingly competent for being fairly new signings
Roky/Aid/Neko is a perfect rotation for supports
hidden vault
do you guys think defiant should get an English speaking support duo?
a support line of a different language definately sounds like Shanghai last year
analog lark
While that is most definitely a problem, I think the problem with season 1 Shanghai's supports was that they were the worst support duo in the league
Fiveking and Freefeel were just awful
Zebbosai and Zuppeh weren't much better
balmy wolf
@red anvil is correct as well. Team buyouts (like Runaway or LNL) >>> individual buyouts by a mile
red anvil
@hidden vault defiants support duo is English speaking
trim shadow
37 should get traded
Hey dallas Since ur thinking about signing whoru
Go ahead and pick up 37
Then trade Zach
Yes zach had a good game..But hes hot n cold like linkzr
red anvil
There's lots of Koreans that speak fluent English
lyric pivot
I love how I've been pushing this current meta since orisa was released and owl is just now getting around to using it.
pearl stratus
I love that its just being called Goats.
Because it also is boring af and stupid 😛
lyric pivot
newgoats
pearl stratus
No, just Goats. Goats and Flowchart Overwatch.
lyric pivot
At least it's a lil more fun to play. But watching them play it is so predictable.
lyric pivot
Oof
pearl stratus
Biggoose is the best with it, because he has such a dry delivery.
lyric pivot
Im not completely convinced that this isn't counterable though.
pearl stratus
"Vancouver lost because the Goats team did not play Goats. how stupid."
lyric pivot
Lmao
pearl stratus
It's more does the time investment to find a counter make more sense than just practicing the comp itself.
Which was the problem with Goats too.
You have one comp that can be used in almost every situation so it becomes time efficient to just practice that thing.
Either way we've got about 3 months and either way Blizzard will nerf all the heroes involved since with 2-2-2 the can force a meta shift easier by just dumpstering heroes.
lyric pivot
I mean I think the adaptation time wouldn't take long. It's not like they we're practicing this new meta well before the time that normal goats meta was ending
pearl stratus
Arguable, Orisa Double Sniper and Orisa Mei have been on ladder for a 2-3 months now.
lyric pivot
Counter-argument, ladder isn't owl. And you can't do more than duo in their rank. practicing this meta as a team isn't possible through ladder!
pearl stratus
Yeah but teams have also known about 2-2-2 prior to Stage 3, so you have to assume at least a large majority of scrim/practice was geared towards 2-2-2.
Especially for teams like justice/mayhem who were already so dumpstered there was no reason to do otherwise in S3.
echo quest
Twitter
Removed all ATL shit
Like the banner and changed his bio from ATL Daco to just Daco
trim shadow
37 is one of those koreans who is fluent in english
And he could help closer
Idk how fluent closer is
Mostly cause closer is a under the radar kinda guy
And is consistent
trim shadow
Very stupid
karmic grotto
ooof
Daco on suicide watch
Guess being too toxic
What a waste
Who can buy Daco?
worn falcon
jagged crater
daco nooo 😦
what kind of meta we're in where mei and reaper are the most picked dps
mei 70% is like last season's tracer levels of pickrate goddamn
karmic grotto
lmao
jagged crater
good to see them in a meta since they havent been meta in a loooong time, but ngl kinda boring to watch
vale pond
he got benched bc FRD is better at hog
jagged crater
road dawg
quite a meta shift tho!
when just last stage , mei reaper and hog were considered non-existant!
vale pond
oof
jagged crater
new goats >:)
moira too
mei 70%, hog 45%, reaper 40%, moira 32%.
4 heroes with near 0% during goats. 2-2-2 has done a big shift, but not quite what we expected!
pearl stratus
Not even new goats, its literally just referred to as goats by the pros since it plays very similarly.
jagged crater
now is this because orisa is so strong
if orisa wasnt so strong, we'd prob see more double sniper again
do we inheritly think mei, reaper, hog, moira are too strong as well?
or just a byproduct of orisa being too strong
vale pond
I'd rather this than double sniper
balmy wolf
Orisa has had a lot of quality of life changes and buffs that honestly I dont mind;
I think it’s more winston and rein and ball not bringing enough protection or easier game play for execution
Mei is too strong and her cc is nutty especially since she can do it over and over until you die
Reaper I dont think is actually that strong
I more so think teams are just doing what they did in goats where they fight on the objective and force a fight rather than doing smart sweet plays
pearl stratus
Orisa is really strong overall though, her shield uptime, ult, fortify and cc all work really well. She has good base synergy with everyone the same way everyone in goats synergized with rein.
They're doing what makes sense. Goats plays like a flowchart. If x then y, if a then b, if not a then c. It's easier to play and practice because you have a relatively set order of how stuff goes down. From a practice perspective it's easy to get valuable use out of your time with that I'd bet.
tropic herald
Reaper is only sting bc of playing on a point
Strong
And he’s really not used for cart
trim shadow
Suprised hack fist or hack snow isnt more prevelanr
Even tho chengdu runs It from time to timep
tulip mortar
I feel like sombra isn’t as prevalent in these comps because there is better synergy between other dps (like mei/hanzo or mei/reaper). She’s run a lot with dive tho
balmy wolf
I mean like
What are you gonna do with sombra here that will enable capitalization
Before with goats there was a lot of area for tank ults to do hard cc but with bongos, whole hog, thats not really a lot of room for the sombra to work well, especially when a good hog will just fuck up a sombra day and a well timed defensive ult would work
plush patrol
Who do you think is the best Tracer (Not necessarily in OWL, just in general)
night tusk
so you all know LA Gladiators changed their name ? 
plush patrol
lmao
visual glen
🦆
echo quest
@plush patrol sbb than Striker
plush patrol
Honestly, I think Kabaji is a pretty good Tracer
I mean, SBB is probably the best in the world
but Kabaji is up there imo
pearl stratus
Kabaji never did more than OWWC in 2017 on a nearly pointless team Austria.
He has no actual competitive experience.
And no LAN experience.
Making him a useless 'what if'
plush patrol
That's debatable, but everyone is entitled to their opinion
echo quest
How is he up there if he doesn’t play against professionals lmao
sullen berry
Is he playing in a team environment with a roster in contendies, of course not
Odyssey is right, it's a different scene
echo quest
Are implying ranked is like playing with pros?
sullen berry
Why would I be implying rank is the same
JJonak played on ladder too, in KR region
It has some merit until you out colourhex around t2 players in the same country and call it Team NZ
echo quest
You said he plays with pros
echo quest
?
sullen berry
I've played in a friendly match with Kyo from Chengdu
sullen berry
That's literally what I meant to play with a pro
I'm not following if playing with pros meant "you're in team so and so" or you're actually playing scrims against them
echo quest
Thats what I was implying. Playing with and against pros on ladder is completely different than doing it in scrims and matches which he hasn’t done but the WC where Austria got obliterated
balmy wolf
I'm not directing this at anyone but a good rule of thumb to have
The difference between bronze and 4400 isn't as big a difference between 4400 and OWL
tulip ridge
What about the skill gap in 4.0K - 4.2K and 4.2K - 4.4K in terms of lower ranks?
dusk sphinx
Yeah
The higher you get the bigger the difference
The difference between a silver and gold is much smaller than a master and a GM too
severe junco
Difference between silver and gold is mechanical skill
GM to OWL is the difference between amateur and professional play
karmic grotto
since when golds are better than silvers?
oak heath
Kabaji is strong when you let him perform on ladder
But its another story against a practiced team
karmic grotto
Kabaji was asked by pro teams but he just wanted to be a streamer
pearl stratus
'played' is a tough sell.
Austria went 0-3 that year, with an 0-12 map score.
They literally could have not shown up and had the same results.
dusk sphinx
I wonder how far The Netherlands will come this year
Last year they were really surprising
limber pine
And Netherlands should arguably be better this year
forest raven
You dissing my boy corn sprite?
limber pine
I was more talking about Trispear and A10 over their counterparts
forest raven
Good 👁
limber pine
👀
little silo
excited for Team Germany this year
hidden vault
I wonder what will be this year's overwatch WC format be
Preliminaries would a round robin for all countries?
Kidding XD
visual plume
when does it even start?
visual plume
when is that
limber pine
Last week in October
visual plume
ok thanks
dusk sphinx
So we won't ever get a break from Overwatch Esports
wet field
NEVER
pearl stratus
As is they're doing a better job of lining up T2 with the blanks in OWL.
visual plume
good
pearl stratus
Which they should have done from the start.
Then going into S3 with OWL only on weekends you can devote more weekday effort to T2 as well
trim shadow
Isnt gauntlet late november
Then December january is the break
Then were back to OWL season 3
limber pine
We had one this past year, but nobody took it seriously
visual plume
are they doing it again this year
hidden vault
Guaranteed Profit
jagged crater
good to see a parent with strong investment into their child's esports career
balmy wolf
I’d like one in america but keeping that stuff safe is hard
echo quest
Plus you have to pay more
There is one in NYC
Waypoint Cafe they are sponsored by NYXL
flint jay
flint jay
Your mom is a troll
night tusk
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBV6nyTUIAEMDYx.jpg look how smooth
vale pond
Worst player of each category in the league currently go
I’m in a shitting on people mood
dusk sphinx
Tank probably Janus
vale pond
Also custa looking like a talk show host
dusk sphinx
DPS Id say BQB
pearl stratus
You can't say BQB when the entire roster of Dallas Fuel exists.
vale pond
I mean taimou at his highs prob not
dusk sphinx
And support doesn't require skill anyways 
vale pond
Arguably the most
dusk sphinx
Dude I'm just joking
dusk sphinx
Support is hard to measure though
vale pond
Support depends so much on the meta
pearl stratus
Cannot forgive 5 minute emp.
pearl stratus
There's a few.
vale pond
idk
pearl stratus
Florida has some good supports, some mad, and they mix it up
dusk sphinx
No not IDK he's at the Spark
pearl stratus
Hagopeun is good, Kris is terrible, etc.
dusk sphinx
Idk is very good, though not as flashy as let's say Pogman or Jonak
vale pond
main heal is arguably the most competition on the high end with lucios
So many good lucios
pearl stratus
I'd make a case for Kruise being one of the worst right now. Not because he himself is bad
But he's tilting -so- hard.
You can see it on his face.
And its fucking up his play so bad.
dusk sphinx
Yeah it was Kris who's the worst
vale pond
Dogman has risen now that he is freed from w jail
dusk sphinx
Byrem is also very poor
vale pond
Q*
dusk sphinx
Dogman imo is top 3 zen with Jjonak and Aimgod
vale pond
thats a hot take
pearl stratus
Dogman would be a top 3 zen if 17 other Zens died.
vale pond
I want to agree but he doesnt know how to press q
pearl stratus
He's not bottom, but he's nowhere near the top.
vale pond
in goats
dusk sphinx
Or Dogman is just really flashy with his plays idk
pearl stratus
He's just a loud twat, so he draws attention. His Zen is high risk high reward and he ults on Zen like he has a brain tumor.
Not the bottom, like I said.
Not the top.
dusk sphinx
Yeah looking at raw skill I think Dogman is top tier
vale pond
But it didnt work in gosts where he couldnt use his ults offensively
pearl stratus
If he was top tier he wouldn't have single handedly thrown multiple games for Atlanta.
pearl stratus
It's really not. That game against San Fran in Stage 3?
They should have won that.
vale pond
atlanta loses because they boom mentally
pearl stratus
His bad ults on two maps were literally the reason they lost the points.
Nothing else but his bad Trans.
pearl stratus
He always Transcendences too early in fights when he's aggressive, positions to continue DPSing, and people die
Then the ult ends.
and they get mopped out
vale pond
he plays aggressive which didnt mesh with goats
Now that he doesnt have to do that anymore
He performs miles better
pearl stratus
But, even on the other side of the fence, he's a good Ana (with less mistakes)
But not near a top Ana.
There's a lot mechanically missing from his Ana play.
vale pond
Eh hes up there
dusk sphinx
No, but with something like dive meta or the current meta he's much better
pearl stratus
But its not the drawback like he has on Zen with shit ults.
He's up there, but Ana was already full of a lot of -really- good Ana.
dusk sphinx
His Ana is poor if anything
vale pond
His ana is his best point
pearl stratus
He's not even in the same sentence of contention with RHJ/JJonak.
vale pond
Obviously
pearl stratus
I'd argue not even on the same tier as Kariv/Luffy.
vale pond
But he is a tier
vale pond
I’d argue for kariv and luffy
pearl stratus
But you can see the difference in his sleep mechanics.
dusk sphinx
Imo he's better than Kariv on Zen
pearl stratus
Dogman just can't land sleeps to the same level.
Which is a large part of the kit.
vale pond
pulls up sdburn clip
pearl stratus
I mean Mickie has gotten a 4 kill with a D'va bomb.
vale pond
he is solidly in a- tier overall
dusk sphinx
His Ana doesn't fit his overaggressive playstyle
pearl stratus
Doesn't mean I'm going to put him in on D'va.
dusk sphinx
Mickie used to be #1 at Zarya
pearl stratus
The problem with play watchers is they lose out on the bigger picture of long term consistency.
Which is why highlight reels are useless as fuck.
dusk sphinx
Yeah
pearl stratus
There's maybe.. 3-4 dps that I'd say consistently make highlight reels that you'd want to play consistency.
Beyond that you get the Pine situation.
dusk sphinx
Best Ana imo is Jehong
vale pond
He is in the margin between luffy/kariv and upper mid tier
dusk sphinx
Ryujehong
pearl stratus
Mechanically yes, but within the giant picture that is Seoul his Ana suffers.
dusk sphinx
That has more to do with Seoul that him to be fair
pearl stratus
I'd argue Seoul has not had a fully cohesive tank since OWL started.
It does, I'm not arguing that.
dusk sphinx
With a mid tier Ana Seoul would reach the bottom
pearl stratus
I think if I were to say the most cohesive Ana with high skill cap it'd be torn between Kariv and Twilight.
vale pond
kariv
pearl stratus
I personally think Masaa plateau'd.
I think he's -very- good.
But he was a breakout starting in Stages 1 and 2.
Then just dropped off on play making etc.
I think the team is evolving faster than he is.
vale pond
he had a weak stage 3
Hes been strong this stage
His bap has been good
His mercy decent
pearl stratus
He's been strong but not dominant.
like I said I don' tthink he's bad.
I just think his team is evolving faster than him
pearl stratus
Even Pokpo has made a lot less mistakes now that he can rely on FRD. The team itself is becoming very cohesive in their own cliques but Masaa still is just there. There's a small list of main supports I'd say make some crazy bullshit plays.
And Masaa will never be on it.
vale pond
masaa is just not flashy I think
pearl stratus
But I'm talking about main supports like Yveltal, or Coma, who you can see the cohesion in the way the team will work around them.
Both of which are able to get off rezzes that literally shouldn't happen
So the teams so confident in them they'll protect it.
pearl stratus
I like to see main supports who get enabled by their team because of what they can do.
That's what I look for.
I wouldn't say Yveltal is underrated in that respect.
vale pond
I personally dont think mercy play defines a player
pearl stratus
But I think people don't understand just how good Yveltal is on Mercy/Lucio.
vale pond
lucio not really
Mercy sure
I like masaa when he gets to play lucio and bapp
Thats where his talent is
pearl stratus
Also, personally for me, I still think the best Baptiste is Rascal.
vale pond
And the team has done a good job working with that
pearl stratus
Just the amount of times Rascal single handedly stopped pushes himself with the ult. I know it was a different meta.
But I think a dps oriented player could still be doing that now.
vale pond
it would be nice
pearl stratus
But then people would complain of dps being in Bap jail 😛
pearl stratus
by all accounts FRD synergizes better, even with the Koreans.
So for Daco to have worst synergy than a lanky white guy with his fellow koreans
It says it all.
pearl stratus
FRD, at least in this meta, looks so much more cohesive.
vale pond
esp with a better hog
and his dva is good too
Also if you look at his twitter its funny
Which earns him points
I want to see him on watchpoint
are they gonna do that again?
Bringing players on
jagged crater
daco toxic? uh oh
limber pine
He'll just be let go
I'm sure he's already been told he won't play in Stage 4.
hence the whole "remove ATL from my twitter" bit
jagged crater
what i find most interesting is mixed rosters doin great!
mixed koreans and non-koreans
echo quest
@dusk sphinx when was Mickie number 1 zarya?
Zunba and Hoon were considered the best zarya’s in the world
dusk sphinx
OWC 2017
vale pond
daco got benched bc FRD plays a better hog and meshes well
echo quest
Ye
vale pond
ik I did see that but it doesnt make sense for why he wouldve been initialy benched
jagged crater
ATL coach said frd had good comms
micro-coach for ATL on thorin's stream last night
night tusk
ofcourse they would not tell if they are beefing or some shit lol
but I think they both are good and both can be used good.
pearl stratus
Seoul showed that having two rosters etc isn't worth it though really. You do better when you focus down on a consistent roster.
So they can both be used, but probably both should not be used.
trim shadow
no team will tell you if something is going wrong in the house
especially bosotn
we were just lucky people dug deeper into the krystal drama and boston drama
and insiders started coming out
vale pond
Atl is in a dream spot rn tho so I dont mind
Its kinda funny that atl vs justice is gonna be a game to watch now
The erster v corey battle
it comes down to who has better everything else maybe
trim shadow
atlanta vs justice is gonna a spectacle to see
sweet shell
Spitfire vs Titans too
upper kettle
Does anyone know any Xbox esport leagues plz dm me
night tusk
watching console play is boring, for sure in compared to pc. I used to play on console but if you search up a console player and used to watch pc players you see the difference.
idk what country btw but someone in the OWWC will play and was a ps4 5000sr top 500 pharah for sometime (pharah ofcourse broken on ps4) he do play on pc now (saw pc sr on his twitter) so dont expect him to come with a controller lol
hidden vault
What's his PC sr?
echo quest
@hidden vault like 4.4k or 4.5
hidden vault
Oh it wasn't the SR when he immediately switch
echo quest
He’s actually 4.6 on PC lol
His 5k is insane because he actually had over 200 hours on that season
Unlike Everymore who had like 20
gaunt acorn
bishop on the road again
umbral bone
wait what the fuck what happened
balmy wolf
Having a team of super stars without good coaching usually doesn't lead anywhere
hidden vault
What about water?
hidden vault
Why release bishop? Toronto is doing fine?
balmy wolf
Toronto just got eliminated from playoffs
echo quest
Maybe he doesn’t get along with players? He was let go after London’s stage 1 due to a rumour of the players disliking him
raw ermine
effective immediately sounds serious
hidden vault
Who says CWoosH is back on mayhem?
gaunt acorn
@hidden vault https://twitter.com/FLMayhem/status/1159245401792249856
hidden vault
As a coach?
gaunt acorn
most likely
pearl stratus
Maybe Florida got Bishop, hence the immediately.
I mean I know its Cwoosh, but like.. why. Bearhands can't fix his stupidity with a non-korean coach
balmy wolf
lel
pearl stratus
There is no mayhem academy.
balmy wolf
sad that team got disbanded
hidden vault
Do you think they would revive it for next contenders?
balmy wolf
probs not
In fact they already gave up their slot to revival
The spiritual successor to mayhem academy
echo quest
Netease announced plans to build a 710million esports park
worldly cove
Anyone remember the prize pools for 6th-2nd places in the Grand finals?
echo quest
Wang sicong should own a team lol
hidden vault
What is an esports park lol
hidden vault
Does he alr own Invictus Gaming?
echo quest
@hidden vault Ye
echo quest
Own one in owl too
hidden vault
it wasn't an amicable decision then
echo quest
Twitter
trim shadow
welp time to chuck toronto in with boston and lav for scummy moves
at this point i predict another paris situation
instead of the coach leaving for another team
hidden vault
What paris situation?
naive garden
Based on the wording of the tweet, it sounds like he did something bad
trim shadow
I think paris
Went 2-5 first stage
Coach left
So basically toronto is gonna be perma bottom tier-mid table
The problems lie in there tanks and supports
3-4
Then 2-5
Then 3-4 again
Also note toronto went from
5-2
To a 0-7 stage
Due to stellar and asher retiring
severe junco
the way they worded it has me wondering if something happened
between bishop and toronto
naive garden
Something definitely did
Cause, that tweet is quite hostile in its wording
Like, if it was on good terms, they would've said something along the lines of "Today we parted ways with Coach Bishop(they would probably tagged his twitter here too). We would like to thank him for his time with Toronto etc..."
snow ember
any1 think the OWL enforced role is bs
limber pine
define BS
snow ember
feels like the hunter is gonna get number 1
limber pine
I don't know what that means
snow ember
theyre gonna win everything
queen drift
hes saying he thinks chengdu will be number 1 and win everything because of role lock
which is.. really stupid
trim shadow
I think toronto made Good signings
But 1. Communication
He was trying to mix english and korean
- House drama likely
3.Bishops coaching style
But even then that isnt right by the toronto org to fire him on his birthday
naive garden
I mean, they can fire him whenever they want, for whatever. Yeah, the optics are bad, but apparently the bad optics were worth it for whatever happened
limber pine
Toronto can fire him whenever they please
the team has won 3 games since Stage 1
Coaches of bad teams get fired
karmic grotto
But
Wizard wasn't fired from Justice? (Although we know he had chosen the players specifically for 2-2-2 instead of 3-3)
limber pine
Just because one coach gets fired doesn't mean another should
naive garden
Wizard is a genius though /s
naive garden
🇨 🇷 🇮 🇳 🇬 🇪
limber pine
indeed
limber pine
Spain has a wealth of support players
true jackal
Oh
limber pine
Linepro, dhak, Harryhook, Neptuno
true jackal
There spoilt for choice
bronze scroll
also, if i remember correctly neptuno used to be a DPS way back
true jackal
Also xqc is on roster pog
plucky rune
neptuno in dps slot?
true jackal
👍
plucky rune
well, not the first time we've seen things like this
pearl stratus
Neptuno has always played DPS for Spain.
Spain is never good enough to qualify for anything
So it doesn't matter.
plucky rune
tankdration a couple weeks ago and agiliheals during last year's wc
pearl stratus
xQc is one of Canadas only tanks. But they kept the same roster for last year, so it doesn't matter.
echo quest
@snow ember what’s wrong with hunters winning it all
They were forced to use a main tank that cannot play winston as a starter due to visa issues.
ashen burrow
dm me for the link for a tournament. read info and rules, its a tournament for fun (no money) so teams can see where they are as a team. TEAMS MUST BE BETWEEN 3.2/3.5K
vale pond
Wrong place mate
little silo
BigGeese vs Justice tomorrow sounds interesting
trim shadow
That captin sparkles Article listing what Dallas and paris needed for top 12 is hilarious
vale pond
defiant will win
bc mayhem isnt actually that good
but it could go either way depending
trim shadow
I believe ur are commiting class A trolling
Cause saya has started hitting his strides
And gargoyle is enabling fate
Then theres hagopeun whos always consistent
What have toronto been doing?
Depending on logix to hit shots
Just like philly and carpe
If carpe isnt hitting his shots the team goes Smooth brain
And eqo
hidden osprey
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
echo quest
@trim shadow more like Eqo doesn’t pop off Philly loses
Carpe has been meh as of late
Him on Volskaya against Toronto was just sad
1 final blow on attack
trim shadow
that was the point of my statement
phillly as a whole is meh without carpe and eqo popping off
karmic grotto
Carpe has been overrated
sullen berry
Long have we waited
Guangzhou Revenge ACTIVATED
rematch win rates have been getting close to 3-4-3
Lost twice to Titans, Glads, Shock 
Split on Valiant, Hunters, Spark, Dragons 
Only one match left against Dallas and Seoul 
karmic grotto
echo quest
agill roast lol
wheat heath
yo can i have some help
ow league kinda broken for me with picks
i tried to claim prize for make a pick
and it says region ineligible
then i got a pick correct and tried to claim and now it just says prize pending
night tusk
Hello community
I do think that titans fixed their shit already
So the first match can be fun
night tusk
if Saya lose the mccree 1v1 that would be a bigger upset than the loss of titans or london
trim shadow
bqb looks nervous
visual glen
McRightClick
night tusk
lmao
dapper lantern
I just woke up and misread BQB as BBQ so I thought Saya was eating Korean BBQ for the preshow
night tusk
little silo
he probably does that a lot
night tusk
the comeback 😮
trim shadow
petition to change bqb's name to bbq
little silo
wow okay
night tusk
I believed it was first to 9
visual glen
RIGGED
trim shadow
also dammit blizzard let them finish
little silo
they just got cockblocked
trim shadow
wuh?
dapper lantern
they cut it short because it was almost game time, I guess. they had enough time to finish the last round imo
little silo
maybe you eat too much
willow moon
I mean it’s just a few seconds. Maybe a minute
visual glen
It was shown before the match lol
trim shadow
@dapper lantern they had a good 2 minutes
visual glen
Before the 1v1
night tusk
bqb be like : if it was finished, first to 9 I would win. Saya: noooo I won. bqb: sure kapp. Saya: 😠
little silo
and you watched that?
visual glen
???
dapper lantern
I thought so
mental estuary
Lmao surefour
trim shadow
saya is probably challenging bqb to a 1v1 in the back room as we speak
dapper lantern
oh well, bqb was about to hit that comeback lmao
trim shadow
let us finish this
dapper lantern
so they stopped it
mental estuary
trim shadow
somewhere 2 koreans are posing menacingly
mental estuary
night tusk
they predicted to end earlier I guess and they have to set it up. they have to start right now (on time) so thats why I guess they ended
mental estuary
Cant wait for titans to lose again
night tusk
actual mayhem fans
trim shadow
can we go ahead and eliminate boston and paris?
theres no way paris is gonna A win all their matches
mental estuary
^
trim shadow
everyone above them wins
thats litterally what captain planet said
paris has to win out and dallas valiant and boston has to lose all their games
and paris play 2 games week 1 and week 2
night tusk
imo it's proffesional to show it when its 100% locked
trim shadow
so they have what 3 games left
night tusk
trim shadow
la live is gonna be on fire
visual glen
NA production
trim shadow
F
dapper lantern
embarrassing
night tusk
je je je jebaited
trim shadow
my F isnt big enough
visual glen
Cut the 1v1 short for this 
mental estuary
Lmfao
trim shadow
cut the 1v1 just for the teams to not be ready on time
little silo
they have a song?
trim shadow
great start to the day
mental estuary
Wtf is that entrance
trim shadow
gesture probably was surfing internet found this song and said YES
mental estuary
Holy shit this is going well
trim shadow
london are basically hooligans at this rate
dapper lantern
yeah, from the rocket league soundtrack. the song is called fury, I thought that was kinda cool considering they have someone called fury
little silo
just like their hometown
willow moon
London has had a theme song for a while
trim shadow
theyve had a theme for a week
night tusk
😴 default song
trim shadow
vancouvers entrance next year should just be someone beating the fuck out of bongos
mental estuary
or bumper charging
dapper lantern
whoa
mental estuary
Lol
little silo
preferably Bumper beating the bongos
trim shadow
bumper doing a mating call...skreeee
willow moon
LolRusha
dapper lantern
also I can’t believe bumper just turned 19
trim shadow
btw stitch is the oldest on the team
little silo
how did this lost child get on that stage
night tusk
while stitch looks 15
mental estuary
No Kings Row
mental estuary
^
night tusk
gc busan vs runaway 
mental estuary
Mirror matchup
tropic herald
Something about being Korean makes you look young
trim shadow
basically chengdu will make playoffs
sturdy river
I hate how none of these comps have a definitive name any more
little silo
yeah but stitch is an extreme case
trim shadow
since they can actually fucking adapt
mental estuary
Nice
visual glen
Mei Reaper 💤
tropic herald
It’s Ice Fishing
dapper lantern
oh no
trim shadow
on busan
genji is a feed if picked
now that 222 lock is around
the weakness of alot of dps starts to show
willow moon
Lmao mirror match
balmy wolf
you play genji against double sniper
trim shadow
like it already wasnt showed for three fucking stages
4 dps is cheese i dont count it
mental estuary
https://youtu.be/fxLNNFagi6Q this needs to be played
tawny sigil
TIS ETHAN!!
mental estuary
Idc who does it
tropic herald
Gengi sucks bc he’s supposed to be a master dueler but can’t win any 1v1s on equal skill levels
trim shadow
honestly genji's weakness is his kit
hes litterally
dash
hope for reset
deflect
get baited
die
or dash up blade and pray ur ana can see you
balmy wolf
Depends on the genji
trim shadow
but then again erster threw all this logic out the window and went ape shit
tropic herald
If his dash hitbox got fixed and his projectiles were faster he’d be better
balmy wolf
Erester plays a very instagib style of genji
night tusk
ult nerfs is not out yet. just charge blade. nano blade. get 4k. vancouver can outplay meta but are afraid.
trim shadow
uk whats funny..we havent seen much of the Caramel looking girl interviewing after games
mica
night tusk
because koreans = danny.
tropic herald
She interviewed Nlaaer last week
willow moon
Damn, j votes for titans 
little silo
mica is terrible at interviews imo
willow moon
I voted*
little silo
she always says the same thing
trim shadow
she doesnt?? df
little silo
"haha thats why I love having you down here x you always bring the spice/fun"
trim shadow
you can apply that logic to emily and the other guy
tropic herald
Honestly the best part of interviews is watching the Korean players grab for the mic
tawny sigil
4-0
trim shadow
well this match went from hype to shit in 1 map
pearl stratus
Nice grav bomb by London.
tropic herald
Which team is underperforming?
tawny sigil
they just got lucky there
quasi stump
