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#esports-discussion
little silo
i think they will give him a chance again next match
clear crane
rip
dapper lantern
There we go
hexed moon
nyxl pog
sterile fox
mano giant brain
hexed moon
either they roll or get fucked
little silo
half time wakeup
hexed moon
nothing in between
clear crane
Mano best tank
balmy wolf
instant kyo kill kappa
little silo
Pavane apparently whipped out the belt
sterile fox
nenne shotgun sniper
balmy wolf
LMAO
hexed moon
ahh
sterile fox
pavane apparently hasn’t been seen in the last month
balmy wolf
they won point in like 30s
plucky rune
ameng has to restore his energies
clear crane
is meko a good hog
balmy wolf
shouldn't have subbed Elsa
sterile fox
nenne bro play sniper bro
clear crane
i feel like jjonak is nyxl's best hog
hexed moon
what is this
little silo
meko is just really only outstanding on Dva
sterile fox
or wait
plucky rune
mei-reaper
clear crane
hahaha
plucky rune
edgecicle
little silo
his other tanks arent as good
clear crane
jjonak and anamo prob the best support duo u want against 2 tanks if its 2 vs 2
sterile fox
jjonak carry
hexed moon
why are they playing hog into reaper
little silo
time to watch jonaks pov
hexed moon
brain dead
sterile fox
because yes
sterile fox
i want stable internet
sterile fox
why won’t nenne play something not reaper
hexed moon
they are still playing hog
sterile fox
yep
hexed moon
he has an ult
sterile fox
bruh what was that
hexed moon
jqiren is pretty good tbh
sterile fox
yeet
hexed moon
didnt know him
hexed moon
ahh i see
sterile fox
brüh
hexed moon
nice
sterile fox
damn third trans
hexed moon
no nenne no win
hexed moon
amen
trim shadow
Who sleeps
hexed moon
idk
sterile fox
zarya
clear crane
i meant overall
clear crane
since season 1
fast basin
Wait im late
hexed moon
i guess all heroes
sterile fox
sigma
hexed moon
true
fast basin
Did the JUSTICE sweep the Titans?
hexed moon
yeah ashe doesnt get used
clear crane
cause we went from dive to double sniper to sorta bunker to goats to hackfist for like 2 weeks to mei/reaper/bunker/sniper
fast basin
What portal have i passed through...
minor flame
you can see how hard Jinmu wants to play like the past
balmy wolf
lmao
sterile fox
pharah is the ultimate counter to nyxl cuz they don’t know how to switch
minor flame
Jinmu is basically known for being a feeding pharah
sterile fox
ok nevermind
minor flame
and throughout most of the season he tries so hard to hold it back
sterile fox
why does anamo play baptiste and not jjonak smh
clear crane
this is a slaughterrrrrrrrrr
sterile fox
imagine libero playing hitscan
visual glen
Wtf spawncamp
clear crane
wtf tehy go reaper?
hexed moon
keep blizzard then switch
clear crane
whose gonna get pharah now
sterile fox
because nyxl coaches have hollow heads
hexed moon
yeah switch
minor flame
these guys tried to play like NYXL and speedstomp the point
got fucked
north beacon
Why don’t they try to counter pharah
sterile fox
ok i need a new favorite team
hexed moon
haven't switched lol
obtuse zodiac
Yveltal just reminded me Mercy meta was a thing
hexed moon
bots
dapper lantern
Charge
north beacon
k they deserve this lol
clear crane
WTF JUST HAPPEEND
minor flame
this is a massacre
clear crane
LMFAOOO
visual glen
NY deserve to lose
sweet shell
nyxl wtf LOOOOOOOOOOL
hexed moon
this is like watchnig gms against slivers
opal spruce
is this ladder?
visual glen
Forcing this pepega comp
night tusk
Omgg
night tusk
Insanee
hexed moon
this is plat comp
obtuse zodiac
NYXL forcing meta
visual glen
Mei Reaper clearly not working since map 1
obtuse zodiac
Not a good idea
visual glen
They still force it
hexed moon
big reason
clear crane
@hexed moon stay to watch the murder. if not, might as well sleep now
hexed moon
@clear crane yeah idk man. if this goes 3-0 ill sleep
north beacon
They did what people do in plat. Pretend the pharah doesn’t exist
hexed moon
any truers lulw
clear crane
nyxl do hae no incentives to win this game tho
they cant go higher or lower den the 2nd seed
visual glen
If NY keeps playing like this even though they're locked in for playoffs
They're gonna get rolled
obtuse zodiac
vaccines are toxic, the earth is flat and the pharah is not there
tawny sigil
SHEE NAN!!
night tusk
Gg btw
minor flame
CHENGDU WINS
tawny sigil
BRUH
sterile fox
what
minor flame
GG
opal spruce
4 minutes for 1 tick my god
balmy wolf
LOL
north beacon
NY deserves to lose this one
night tusk
They won
trim shadow
C9
hexed moon
yeah
trim shadow
Textbook c9
hexed moon
if nyxl wins this
trim shadow
New york@is boomed
sterile fox
what the fuck
trim shadow
Look at there faces
night tusk
They won
sterile fox
there faces
clear crane
they cant win
obtuse zodiac
Chengdu is so happy
clear crane
its over
hexed moon
rein zarya pog
hexed moon
then it's route 66
unkempt canyon
Today has been a clown show
clear crane
cause it wud be 2-0 with a draw and nyxl cant come back
hexed moon
true
clear crane
lmfaoooooo
trim shadow
Friendly reminder
visual glen
NY match in playoffs is gonna be a shit match if they keep this up
trim shadow
Chengdu signed leave
clear crane
aight just put in Pine
minor flame
friendly reminder that Chengdu can actually 4-0 NYXL
clear crane
Theres NO reason to not put in Pine now
trim shadow
@hexed moon night
hexed moon
night night
visual glen
Is Pine even at the arena or is he in Korea
minor flame
if Chengdu 4-0s NYXL then there are officially no teams that haven't been 4-0ed once
sterile fox
bruh just get over the fact that pine is bad
trim shadow
Like how taimou got neglected
minor flame
Pavane should neglect him
trim shadow
till aero caved
visual glen
Bruh
clear crane
nyxl has not lost a game so far with pine in
minor flame
cause Pine is inconsistent
clear crane
think about that
trim shadow
Pine is inconsistent
sterile fox
yep
clear crane
pine isnt bad
trim shadow
Yu can say that after watxhing flower
minor flame
you can see him alot in Season 1
clear crane
hes just a 2 trick hero
sterile fox
and then there’s nenne
trim shadow
I xlap for you
visual glen
We saw him play 1 season ago
trim shadow
Inconsistent when all of nyxl’s dps is incosistent
visual glen
We know that Flower is poop so might as well just bring him in
opal spruce
i want Pine to play one map just so he can be the in part of inconsistent and everyone will stop talking about it
tropic herald
Power Rankings PepeLaugh
visual glen
For the luls
trim shadow
Who tf still has power rankings after today
clear crane
BOOO
visual glen
SBB vs Chair is more entertaining than this massacre
sterile fox
fuck raiding area 51 let’s raid pavane’s house
so justice beat titans, toronto beat shanghai and chengdu beat nyxl
honestly what the fuck
upper niche
WTF is going on today??!
dreamy cave
they should be running libero on hanzo and nenne on either widow or mai
sterile fox
sorry pal but they don’t know there’s a switch button
dreamy cave
sterile fox
everyone is so bored that a widow triple got no applause whatsoever
rapid bobcat
How did Justice beat Titans?
sterile fox
go watch the game
rapid bobcat
Did the Titans just had a massive brainfart or something
I will watch the game later today
gaunt acorn
balmy wolf
what a fuckin circus by NYXL
unkempt canyon
Not a c9
balmy wolf
yes a C9
no pressure on point
they could have pressed the point but they decided it was teamfight time
sterile fox
i woke up early for the third day in a row on my holiday for this shit i swear to god
balmy wolf
waking up early to see NYXL's first 0-4
good day
balmy wolf
oof
visual glen
McRightClick
sterile fox
mccree
visual glen
That was sad
sterile fox
skilless
minor flame
FIRST NYXL 0-4
balmy wolf
Yes
upper niche
WTF, 0-4 for both VAN and NYXL?!
gaunt acorn
cursed_week
balmy wolf
Flashbang + Right Click is skilless.
minor flame
Own just shut up already
sterile fox
it’s like that night in medieval france
balmy wolf
4-0!
wet field
Congrats Chengdu; thanks to me making all underdog picks since the Titans lost, I made enough to get a skin
gaunt acorn
@sterile fox which one?
trim shadow
Im gonna watch postshow
wide heron
NYXL is throwing matches
balmy wolf
ironic
minor flame
i tell you to shut up because youve just been salty all the time lmao
wide heron
they have to be cheating to lose
balmy wolf
salty how
sterile fox
@gaunt acorn the one with a lot of diplomats getting murdered
balmy wolf
I didn't bitch at anyone
opal spruce
is that a mullet
visual glen
Cut hair pls
minor flame
every comment youve made is just saying jinmu carry or skillless
dapper lantern
you lowkey have been complaining all day but
balmy wolf
Jinmu did carry
dapper lantern
whatever everyone does in here
gaunt acorn
@sterile fox not sure which event you're referring to
balmy wolf
cry more
minor flame
lol
balmy wolf
how is that even bitching
sterile fox
now that’s salty
trim shadow
@dapper lantern 
wide heron
jinmu didnt carry lol
balmy wolf
Anubis
dapper lantern
@trim shadow 👀
balmy wolf
He handed them that game
sterile fox
-both teams played equally well
minor flame
if you think Jinmu carried then thats actual gold thinking
wide heron
lmao NYXL sucked
minor flame
seeing as how the anubis comp is LITERALLY pocketing the genji blade
trim shadow
Chengdu just fucked new@yorks@ass
sullen berry
Yveltal always shows up
trim shadow
Can we admit it was a team effort
balmy wolf
so absolutely dominating their tanks (moreso than any other on Chengdu) is not carrying? Getting consistent 4ks is not carrying teamfights? dk what to tell you
sullen berry
gave amano a run to remind them their division inflated their skill all season
balmy wolf
sounds like you're salty to tell the truth
wide heron
?
dapper lantern
how about
balmy wolf
don't mouth off lmao we have no beef man this is eSports
wide heron
jinmu didnt carry
minor flame
Jinmu wasnt getting 4ks without literally getting helped by YXL, Kyo Yveltal
EMP
NANO
dapper lantern
you just drop the situation lmao
minor flame
bruh
balmy wolf
lmao
umbral bone
what was the score again
minor flame
4-0
balmy wolf
blocked, you just want to bait
sterile fox
bruh
dapper lantern
might as well block everyone in here but okay
balmy wolf
nah
balmy wolf
no one else is determined to start shit
wide heron
your a fucking child
dapper lantern
no one has started anything in here but you.
balmy wolf
LOL
dapper lantern
go off though
balmy wolf
@dapper lantern Delusional, he told me out of nowhere to shut up and then gave me 2d arguments about my alleged bitching
dapper lantern
because you have been bitching
minor flame
you are literally bitching right now
sterile fox
out
of
nowhere
dapper lantern
rough day, yeah
balmy wolf
what a godly 4-0
sterile fox
i’m going back to sleep
dreamy cave
i dont care about the loss. NYXL is still my team. 4-0 or not. at least its not the justice or the mayham but im sure there going to figure it out next match
jagged crater
WTF justice top 2
dreamy cave
hopefully they dont do the sombra tracer again
sterile fox
oh boy
trim shadow
Nyxl is ur team when nyxl gets dropped in the first round
dapper lantern
justice and mayhem are doing well though. goats was a deterrent to a lot of teams and lock has revitalized a lot of people.
trim shadow
There more inconsistent then Wet bread
jagged crater
what a world where mayhem and justice moved up like 10 spots in the power rankings
considering mayhem and justice are already out of the playoff running, they playing like nothing to lose so why not
autumn briar
Dallas bottom imo
dapper lantern
regardless of everything, the lock has completely flipped the standings. this is ideal. and with that, I’m going to lie down because I have an insane migraine.
dreamy cave
the power rankings dont really mean much, those get shifted so very quickly
autumn briar
Very true
trim shadow
The lock has balanced teams
Teams that we thought were good
arent good
teams@that are good
Are good
jagged crater
power rankings all over the place, now , nobody has an idea who's better
sample size still too small, too early into such a large meta shift
trim shadow
Power rankings dont mean shit after this week
Sigma is just gonna
Blow power rankings out of water
Even further then this week has
balmy wolf
Justice actually a top tier 2/2/2 team
jagged crater
big boi
balmy wolf
ellivote and lullish sweating about their roster spot
modest ibex
Yes, torb big boi
trim shadow
Elli and lulsish are just gonna make washington a top 3 team
There synergy is better then sam and janus
balmy wolf
Unproven yet.
rare magnet
what's the best new meta team? is there a clear stand out?
balmy wolf
I suspect they'll rotate next season to see who is the better tankline.
trim shadow
Atlanta is best new meta team
balmy wolf
But the current lineup seems to get better and better.
balmy wolf
I suspect only shock and justice are the ones actually decent at the meta.
Shock mostly for understand the ult game so well.
trim shadow
Oh right shock
balmy wolf
Their playing the meta like its goats already lel
but justice holy hell
People weren't joking about corey being one of the best western dps
balmy wolf
lel
modest ibex
No
balmy wolf
I mean a lot of promising dps turn out to be unmature or worst
maybe ksf/corey dps duo for WC
obtuse zodiac
Soe's hair kinda reminds me of the Halloween Sombra skin
gaunt acorn
@modest ibex was referring to dreamkazper
modest ibex
No idea who that is
gaunt acorn
oh, did you start following owl this season
obtuse zodiac
dreamkazper
modest ibex
I got overwatch in December. I'm new to all of this still
obtuse zodiac
lmao
gaunt acorn
i see
@modest ibex dreamkazper was a star player for the boston uprising last season
he was found to be sexting underage fans (one 14, one 15)
and promptly had his career ended
modest ibex
Damn
obtuse zodiac
I prefer the word terminated
gaunt acorn
he was hailed as the possible saviour for team usa in world cup that coming year
then.. yeah
modest ibex
I would like to hope that doesnt happen again
gaunt acorn
most likely not
balmy wolf
thats like a 1 time thing in most esports
modest ibex
Also going back to my previous query, what owl skin should I get for torb
I have 101
gaunt acorn
well, based on the team, or the colours?
modest ibex
Both? If not possible then the colors
gaunt acorn
well i don't know what teams you support
balmy wolf
outlaws works well with torb
modest ibex
Well I already have fusion since I'm a native
gaunt acorn
but toronto defiant torb would be my pick
as the colours are cool, and mangachu is perhaps the most acclaimed torb player
balmy wolf
red and black is a pretty good color scheme
supple prism
wait, the OWL schedule ad on the blizzard launcher is wrong
gaunt acorn
that's funny
upper niche
I really hope with the way they plan on running a global league next year they pull their heads out and start listing times in GMT.
tawny sigil
they list time as local on the website
upper niche
Exactly. List the fing GMT times on the broadcast and in embedded graphics :/
gaunt acorn
glads vs shock was definitely not today
tawny sigil
ok they messed who's playing
gaunt acorn
they messed it up, as @supple prism said
tawny sigil
yeah that was yesterday wasn't it?
upper niche
"Is this Agilities?" OUCH.
upper hawk
This stage is such a mess lol
forest wharf
just catching up on today's scores.... 
worn hornet
holy shit I missed the Titans getting swept
worn hornet
Imagine Justice going 7-0 in the only stage with no separate stage playoffs
forest wharf
this stage is cursed 
balmy wolf
Justice can actually screw over all of the teams qualifying for play ins
tropic herald
Justice v Reign should be fun
pearl stratus
@worn hornet Imagine them going 7-0 when that won't even let them qualify for play ins.
gaunt minnow
Ive mentioned it already that this is all according to Wizard plan to take the grand finals at the end.
They were scrimming previous stages, analysing team play and players. Wizard genius.
tulip ridge
Well it's a rip if he planned for this year
but if it's for next year he has a huge head start
gaunt minnow
What? His analysis this year wont mean much next year since you expect team to change things up including rosters and meta as everyone improves during the break before season 3.
tulip ridge
Ok good to clarify I was also kinda worrying about things being obsolete
gaunt minnow
His data from stages 1 to 3 will be put to use this stage 4 and season playoffs.
tulip ridge
Wizard is coach for Justice right?
gaunt minnow
Yeah former XL coach.
pearl stratus
Thats not a very good plan.
tulip ridge
Yeah that's what I was also thinking
hidden vault
Anyone can explain why play gido instead of sleepy?
echo quest
supple prism
ha
wraith lion
здрасти
karmic grotto
sinful rune
yo what the fuck did I miss today
I almost regret going on a date instead of watching OWL today
What are these upsets, Washington 4-0's vancouver
and fricken chengdu 4-0's NYXL
And then yesterday Florida, arguably the worst team atm, bops london
supple prism
titans and nyxl got their first 0-4s today
sinful rune
Yes I see that, wtf
I can see them possibly getting 4-0'd by high end teams, but not by fucking chengdu and washington
Washington with literally like 2 wins
supple prism
5 now?
supple prism
1 in stage 1, 1 in stage 2, 3 in this stage
balmy wolf
Justice actually looking at a perfect stage
sinful rune
i still don't see them getting into playoffs though
Being the shanghai 2.0 they were the first 3 stages
supple prism
they go against boston next, then outlaws, ATL, paris
sinful rune
Do GLA or Atlanta stand any reasonable shot
supple prism
GLA should at least win 2 of their 3 remaining matches
balmy wolf
glads are already locked into play in matches
sinful rune
That's good
balmy wolf
Atl has a good chance of making it if they don't lose more than 2 games
supple prism
justice, london, fuel, boston. they should pick up at least 2 wins
balmy wolf
But justice look pretty fucking scary
supple prism
boston and fuel
i dont know about how london will go
actually im not positive if boston will beat anyone this stage
they dont seem to be working on themselves
sinful rune
Maybe one of their dps will molest someone again
👌
Anybody see fuel doing well this meta? at all
I've always liked them a little bit, out of respect for jayne, xqc, seagull, and akm
And I had a boat load of pity points racked up for effect
supple prism
fuel may get 1 win this stage
sinful rune
How many games does each team play a stage?
supple prism
7
sinful rune
OH YEAH, we're on week 2, thankyou
supple prism
going on to week 3
sinful rune
For some reason I thought we was on week 1 and things just weren't doing math
supple prism
i may even pick NYXL to beat Titans
analog lark
What the fresh fuck was this week
analog lark
Florida 3-0ing London both the titans and nyxl losing 4-0 to Justice and The pandas respectfully
burnt musk
with respect to nyxl theyve been looking pretty weak recently
analog lark
True
burnt musk
as for titans LUL
analog lark
Like there's only 2 teams I can consistently place
That's Boston and Dallas, they're both trash
burnt musk
LOL
feels bad
houston can be good sometimes though
but they can only seem to win upsets
hidden vault
Houston is extremely inconsistent
And they do not have flex playerd
Good flex
Except maybe danteh?
Linkzer?
balmy wolf
jake and danteh cover almost all the dps expect widow
analog lark
Yeah their dps kinda lacks
vast geode
Linkzr actually bodyswapped with Jake so ones actually looking good while the other looks bad now
balmy wolf
expect linkrz hasn't been good at all this stage
burnt musk
the problem with their dps is they dont really pick characters with pick potential
they just play for high damage
hidden vault
Well linkzer was good on the zarya against sfs
balmy wolf
they play hanzo
vast geode
Also what the hell did I miss today while I was on exams
hidden vault
Nth
vast geode
Jake been playing too much minecraft pvp
burnt musk
you missed wash redemption arc
balmy wolf
outlaws just need to stay on jake and danteh and they have a good chance of winning some games
analog lark
Washington 4-0 titans
analog lark
Chengdu 4-0'ed NYXL
vast geode
Today’s script was fucking wild
analog lark
Other 2 matches don't matter
burnt musk
today the only two teams that had never been 4-0'd got 4-0'd
i feel like the top teams are just getting bored and not preparing for matches
vast geode
I saw post match discussion for Washington vs Vancouver and the amount of upvotes it got and I was in disbelief about what I was thinking
balmy wolf
NY and Titans just got bodied
vast geode
Then I clicked it and was hysterical for a good while
balmy wolf
NY has been pretty shit this stage
vast geode
Ppl saying Vancouver was throwing
balmy wolf
lel no
vast geode
vast geode
Corey finally in the house with his gang
balmy wolf
they were boomed after the 2nd map
analog lark
Corey just activated yottachad mode like Ameng
burnt musk
true
vast geode
Too early to call it
balmy wolf
I really dont think that match was a fluke
vast geode
I wanna see them beat a couple of top tier teams before I do so
burnt musk
either way justice are eliminated
analog lark
They won't be able to beat anymore top tier teams
balmy wolf
^
burnt musk
and now people have noticed them
balmy wolf
They already beat their best opponent
vast geode
Circle of suck outdated lul
analog lark
The rest of their schedule is easy as fuck
vast geode
Lol consolidation playoffs pls
burnt musk
we want mayhem vs justice for bronze match
burnt musk
toronto?
analog lark
Toronto was in stage 1 playoffs
burnt musk
darn
vast geode
Boston?
analog lark
Stage 1
vast geode
Or was it Charge
burnt musk
well def justice
burnt musk
so we arent counting last year?
analog lark
Nope
analog lark
And 3 of those wins were to Shanghai
balmy wolf
mayhem, charge, justice, eternal, and hunters have never made stage playoffs
analog lark
Ding ding ding
balmy wolf
Shock is the only team to be in every stage final
analog lark
Hunters and charge are the shocking ones
burnt musk
can we talk about the fact that toronto are still in with a 0.3% chance of making playoffs
balmy wolf
oh their basically eliminated
analog lark
They got eliminated
balmy wolf
their loss today seal the deal for them
burnt musk
why not just eliminate them now
hidden vault
Van was in every play offs
analog lark
Toronto had the "eliminated" thing to the right
burnt musk
i didnt catch that
balmy wolf
@hidden vault Actual finals, they didn't make finals in stage 3
hidden vault
Oh hmm
balmy wolf
My team can beat your team
vale pond
Cam we take time to appreciate that the justice are #2 in avasts power rankings
And xl are near the bottom
the top 2 this stage are atl and was
Am I dreaming someone pinch me
proper kraken
is owl live
trim shadow
where's avast power ranking
dusk sphinx
I feel like Atlanta memes half their matches
gaunt minnow
OWWC Team China looking scary. South Korea might lose this year.
trim shadow
pearl stratus
@vale pond I don't think any of Avasts takes are all that hot honestly. The big thing most people realize is he's actually very serious about ignoring every other stage.
he looks at each stage in a complete bubble with little/no bias.
So if you were to look at Justice so far this stage, and who they've played #2 is actually more than fair.
pearl stratus
Justice' only shaky game was with Florida, who is likewise doing pretty well. Beyond that they were dominant over Toronto, and destroyed Vancouver. Toronto is kind of whatever (looking better now than in week 1 thanks to Logix going bananas), but Vancouver came out of the gate looking dominant as well over Florida (the team that almost beat Justice), and Shanghai.
The biggest question that lingers on my mind is that they never really tried any nano-blade against Justice. So how much of the game was them also not caring/preparing.
Since they could literally just forfeit every match this stage and still be in the top 6.
dusk sphinx
What I don't understand is that Titans try to follow the Orisa meta while it's obvious they can't really play it right
pearl stratus
They could just be using live games for learning.
They don't have to care about their record anymore.
There's no Stage 4 Playoffs, they're already locked into the Grand Finals.
So they may just be using weekly games as an additional scrim, basically.
dusk sphinx
What I would do is return to a Goat style of play with a lot of self sustain heroes. They certainly do have the indivitual skill, so why not run Reaper, Mei, Rein, Zarya, Lucio and Ana/Moira?
The self sustain is still VERY high with the comp
And the Titans obviously play better at aggressive rushdown comps
pearl stratus
Rein at this point is a ladder pick.
He's never been great in a 2/2/2 outside of King's Row.
That hasn't changed.
dusk sphinx
Idk I feel like teams still don't manage to play him well enough either
And use him to the full potential
pearl stratus
No. It's just that he's not good in 2-2-2. He's still overly susceptible to CC which is where Orisa can shine.
Able to continue to tank for her team in situations like Blizzard, etc.
And the pick potential generated by halt both by ults/hooks is too big to ignore.
As we've seen the halt/dragons, etc.
dusk sphinx
I mean, imagine the 2/2/2 Blitzkrieg comp. Close in with a Mei wall first, then speed boost to get into melee range where each hero can shine
Just move like Goats as 1 solid block
pearl stratus
So get frozen as a group by Mei.
Got it.
Because your Rein -will- be forced to keep his shield up and not swing.
Or your entire team is frozen.
Which removes the largest percentage of your damage
dusk sphinx
Why would you instantly get frozen as a group? You have your own Mei too and you literally push through the Orisa shield
So the enemy will face the same problem
pearl stratus
Except halt will delay, and you'll lose an engage advantage.
And since you're playing aggressively the other team uses the wall to split your team on the engage.
So its a 3v6.
Not a 6v6.
gaunt minnow
Rein is playable at choke maps.
dusk sphinx
A Goats type of comp is very hard to split by a Mei wall
pearl stratus
It's really not. Rein is just a silver pick at this point for almost all maps. Which we knew was happening with 2/2/2.
dusk sphinx
Idk I feel like it does have potential
pearl stratus
I feel like if it had potential it'd be played since so many teams have Rein one tricks now.
dusk sphinx
Just take a while for teams to find out, like triple dps as a Goat counter
pearl stratus
And there's a huge reason its not.
Triple DPS was only a goats counter after a year of nerfs.
Which people tend to forget.
dusk sphinx
Even after big nerfs it took months for triple dps to be discovered
pearl stratus
It was discovered, you needed a team to commit to potentially wasting a lot of scrim time to try it.
dusk sphinx
Lets not forget, used only really by a single team who won the Playoffs with it
pearl stratus
People like to pretend people didn't think about counter comps to goats, and thats because they don't really understand the game.
dusk sphinx
People were looking for it I'm sure
pearl stratus
It wasn't that counter goats wasn't something people thought about, its whether or not it was a worthwhile time investment for a team because of how likely it was to potentially fail.
dusk sphinx
But how long took it to really implement it?
That's the thing
Certain teams also tried Rein Zarya with different success
pearl stratus
Also
dusk sphinx
But no team has perfected it
pearl stratus
You do realize a lot of what pushed people to try it was knowing Stage 3 was the last stage without role lock, right?
Since teams knew prior to Stage 3 that it was comin
So scrimming things other than Goats became valuable.
Because it was for the future meta.
dusk sphinx
I just want to say that a meta always changes, even without balance changes, and I think a Goat way of 2/2/2 might pose a thread to the Orisa comps if team start to perfect the strats
pearl stratus
I mean you're fair to think that.
I don't think there's a single well reasoned and logical thought that proves it right.
But we'll see.
dusk sphinx
I'm at least glad the meta isn't totally triple dps that Pharmercy crap is so boring to watch
pearl stratus
I mean the current Goats is just Orisa Hog Mei Reaper.
Which is like watching old people fuck.
But to each their own. There's some morons who like watching double sniper.
feral wing
watching double sniper > watching goats
dusk sphinx
Orisa Hog isn't really compareable to Goats
gaunt minnow
Goats was better.
trim shadow
said no one
feral wing
this community will never be satisfied no matter what blizzard do
pearl stratus
No community.
People hate metas because they grow visually boring.
But most people aren't good enough at any game to understand there will always be one.
Since shitty players can play anything in their games and not have it be noticeable.
dusk sphinx
What does the community have to do with discussing Esports strats that might be helpful in this meta? 
pearl stratus
Because the meta will always be forced to change.
Because people whine.
Is what he's infering.
pearl stratus
People then bitch about the new one.
And then the next one.
And then they get upset about the one after that.
gaunt minnow
Goats will be remembered as the peak of all team composition. Legend. Unrivaled. Greatest of all times. The strongest. The impenetrable.
pearl stratus
Goats was the best meta for the game imo.
Because it rewarded the best 'team'
not the best carry.
And if you were a shit team, you got spotlighted very fast that you were a shit team.
pearl stratus
It still lasted too long.
But in terms of team/coaching/etc.
It was very good for the game.
dusk sphinx
Yeah but once triple dps seemed to be the new meta I was kinda scared
With the Dragons being the only team to run it I was already snoring Whenever they played it
pearl stratus
Triple DPS required a lot of the same elements honestly. If was mechanical skill and a lot of precision team work to create the cross fires that Shanghai used.
It's why not many teams replicated it well.
You had two disruptors preventing focused DPS on your Pharah/Widow, who then had sight lines for each other on pressure.
It's harder to manage than you'd think.
dusk sphinx
Yeah
But I just hated the rediculous impact Pharmercy had
The comp felt like all others just distract for the Pharmercy to carry
pearl stratus
I think it would have been interesting to see how it evolved.
Since really the only team to actually attempt to counter it was Shock.
Vancouver and NYXL just kinda stood there.
And Choi did a really good job of figuring out a lot of shutdown for it.
So it would have been interesting to see where it went.
dusk sphinx
I feel like triple dps meta would just result in who has the better Widow
balmy wolf
Not necessarily
Depends on the dps variety
Cause you could wasily do a double sniper with genji, triple sniper, full on dive with sombra genji and tracer, and of course tossing a pharah somewhere in on there
pearl stratus
Also they didn't run Widow all that often, Widow became map dependent.
Diem mostly rotated to Sombra.
So it'd be who has versatile widows too.
Also just a daily reminder of fl0w3rs EMP from last night. 3m5 to charge EMP, 2m22 seconds holding the EMP, 0 seconds to lose the EMP and die never actually using it.
dusk sphinx
Well with how it was usually ran, with Pharmercy, Hanzo and Sombra
grave dagger
limber pine
Support flexibility is off the charts
I think most of the supports got chunks of play time so far this stage
worn falcon
the fuck what this weekend, i was outside, Mayhem over Spitfire, Wash over Titans and Chengdu over NYXL
dusk sphinx
Same for the Spitfire
balmy wolf
No idea about those other two honestly
Profit and Birdring usually have carry potential
limber pine
London is just wildly inconsistent
dusk sphinx
The Spitfire havent impressed me this season at all to be fair
Just a mid tier team if anything
balmy wolf
I haven’t more so been impressed by london moreso by profit
dusk sphinx
Not even The Best of the Rest
balmy wolf
Meta being mei reaper is also a head turner
NYXL bringing in flower more is also a head scratcher
worn falcon
I mean after like 3 stages i was expecting some rise from those
dusk sphinx
Well that wouldnt be as bad if Orisa Hog wasn't the best combo atm
worn falcon
NYXL doesnt have bad dps, but theyre crumbling
dusk sphinx
The NYXL have on paper by far the best team in the league
balmy wolf
Mano and jjonak are the key stars for them atm
dusk sphinx
They can't use it to their full potential though
balmy wolf
Last season it was majority if not all the team doing well then choking in stage play offs and semi finals
dusk sphinx
Most of the fights of them are just hoping jjonak carries them
dusk sphinx
Mano is really good but I think he would be better in a different team
balmy wolf
SBB sadly isnt the star he once was
Pine is benched so hard I’m convinced his butt has actually taken root
Flower is... Eh
dusk sphinx
Like the Justice could use a tank like Mano to his full potential
balmy wolf
Nenne is also eh but he supposedly plays more heroes than sbb or pine and is supposedly better despite pine not getting any real stage team time
dusk sphinx
Problem is, Pine is a bit of an OTP
Widow and Mccree and there stops most of his versitility
balmy wolf
Sbb can do Tracer and Widow and I guess Reaper?
Not sure how much reaper takes in terms of skill at pro play over someone like tracer or so at pro play
Sbb Sombra makes me smh
Also yea I agree but I think personally a McCree in this meta would be pretty good given he is good for shield break and stuns but the issue with him is he’s outdone by hanzo
dusk sphinx
Well that's more cause Hanzo is broken AF than that Mccree is poor
balmy wolf
Thats what I mean
Hanzo provides one shot head shot potential
He provides a mini widow sights
And he offers better shield break
Whoever thought that removing scatter shot for storm arrow was a good idea should be canned
Shoulda just nerfed the crap out of scatter
balmy wolf
The issue with hanzo and a lot of heroes
Is that there are certain heroes which what makes them good is balanced on a razor’s edge cause the specific parts of their kit is what makes them broken or downright unusable
balmy wolf
Buffing the damage of an ashe coach gun for example does nothing; but giving a tracer a shorter cooldown on recall is downright meta shifting
U cannot unless given the role
dusk sphinx
Alright I send you the picture of how broken his hitbox is
balmy wolf
China winning would not be out of the realm of possibility since the best supports in korea kinda just chose not to play
Not saying korea’s support line isnt good
Just the very best chose not to play
feral wing
vancouver sandbagging
who do you guys think will make top 6 and who will move on from play-ins?
balmy wolf
NYXL
Vancouver
Shock
Gladiators are the easy calls
Personally i think it would be easier to call what teams dont make it
Florida, washington, boston, paris, Toronto,
tawny sigil
im sure people are saying nyxl is sand bagging but, nyxl has no business sand bagging after how poorly it ended last year
balmy wolf
I dont think ppl think they’re actually sandbagging this year
It’s a mix of a lot of things
Weak competition in their division
Poor play on their team and a heavy over reliance on jjonak
tawny sigil
the jjonak meta is over, move on
jovial fiber
ok
limber pine
And they can't figure out who to run opposite Libero in DPS
clearly it's not Pine or Nenne
pearl stratus
I can't. I'm at work and my break is only 15 minutes.
Don't have time to wait for Flower to get an EMP.
jovial fiber
Damn
tulip ridge
How are the 7th and 8th seeds decided in the play ins?
tawny sigil
fight in the mud
7-12 fight in the mud until a top 1 and 2 is decided amongts those 6
jovial fiber
wwe
tawny sigil
not sure how you make a braket with 6 team though
balmy wolf
Which os the remaining teams do you think will get 7 and 8 seed
hidden vault
They should have just ran sbb with libero
Too bad nenne wasn't as good as a hitscan Libero
balmy wolf
I wish that too but I dont think sbb is ready for the stage again
hidden vault
If not he would have been great
tawny sigil
sbb is going through pine depression
nyxl suck at losing
look at washington... thats how you lose
laugh it off and go 7-0 at the end when it doesnt matter
hidden vault
4 hitscans and none is able to do the job
hidden vault
Sell flower to washington
balmy wolf
The stakes for them are different and the expectations of them is significantly higher
tawny sigil
I dont know about expectation, i expect them to lose
pearl stratus
After his performances on his sub in matches fl0w3rs only move will be to contenders.
tawny sigil
i nyxl makes it to the final, i call that an upset
balmy wolf
Look at shanghai; the first time they won, with an entirely dofferent roster, it was a major factor that Axxiom was in so a weakened boston uprising with Goats meta and when they won, the entire stage lost their minds
NYXL while looking shit have only lost like what 4 times so far?
tawny sigil
they lose important match
balmy wolf
Mhmm but on average they rarely take the L
Thats what I mean by expectations
tawny sigil
they have won 1 important match so far
balmy wolf
If you told me a week ago Washington would 4-0 the titans
I would not believe you
The expectations for it was not there
balmy wolf
But would you really wanna sandbag against one of the worst teams?
Washington and Florida are the worst teams
Losing to them is like losing to last year shanghai but not as severe
balmy wolf
More intrigued why they moved away from haksal’s genji comp and opted to play the meta when it hasnt fully solidified
tawny sigil
maybe they were trying something and used washington as a gauge and their strategy was just so bad it couldn't win against one of the worse team
who knows
hidden vault
I doubt Washington is the worse team this meta tho
balmy wolf
Not the worst in the meta
But one of the worst this season
Sadly
Personally I would say boston or paris is the most most ass team
I like soon tho
hidden vault
Most ass team?