esports-discussion

[minor flame]

hard

[trim shadow]

7-0 having Blistering point A take

[pearl stratus]

I also think teams will get better at dealing with Nanoblade.

[vale pond]

toronto supports are bad crab crab

[trim shadow]

this stream is not blocked in multiple countries for explicit content

[pearl stratus]

Especially the ones that play Hog.

[trim shadow]

now*

[clear crane]

if this is still meta

[uneven wren]

but teams still cannot stop haksal 😛

[supple prism]

wholehog nanoblade

[clear crane]

we see whoru nanoblade next year haha

[pearl stratus]

Because you just save whole hog for Nanoblade.

Thats all you have to do

[minor flame]

whole hogging nanoblade still leaves you pretty vulnerable to any cc

[clear crane]

this is a sluaghter

[minor flame]

there is some counterplay to the counterplay

[pearl stratus]

It does, but Vancouver doesn't run those things.

[vale pond]

geguri pog

[pearl stratus]

The most you have to worry about is twilight sleep

[clear crane]

omg they held

[minor flame]

you also have to watch for EMP

[proven saddle]

mangachu gold objective time

[uneven wren]

other teams now have to worry about getting sniped by hooreg

[vale pond]

Mangachu

[clear crane]

theres always a counterplay

[minor flame]

Titans likes to use EMP Nanoblade too though

[uneven wren]

not just twilight sleep

that's a big counter to whole hog

emp nano

blade

[vale pond]

Valiant effort is going 0-7 first stage

[minor flame]

thats why I think EMP Nanoblade is just so strong

theres barely counterplay to that

and with a meta where Lucio and Zen arent as played as much

[vale pond]

How the fuck did mangachu get up there

[pearl stratus]

Ice blocking into Orisa grab

Launches Mei

like a cannonball

[uneven wren]

he yeeted his blizzard and got sniped for it

[willow moon]

Oh

[uneven wren]

still won the fight tho

[vale pond]

Yeet

[proven saddle]

HELLO

[vale pond]

hello

[willow moon]

HELLO

[vale pond]

Best use of sight

[proven saddle]

love widows cordiality

[balmy wolf]

I am going to be watching the owl all night i havent even started

[willow moon]

oof revenge

[minor flame]

Logix and Gods seem to be the big mvps of Toronto

[vale pond]

Gods is fantastic

His hooks especially

[forest raven]

The godshog

Comin back at ya from 2017

[quasi stump]

rip

[willow moon]

sad

[clear crane]

wow

great effort

and i thought they were gonna get rolled

[proven saddle]

i honeslty thought the widow battle would 've more one sided

[vale pond]

Wow

Poor geguri

[uneven wren]

defiant with a really good team effort

[willow moon]

Nah both are great widows

[proven saddle]

but logix has been doing great

[clear crane]

logix is a really good widow

[pearl stratus]

It's playing out how I expected, whichever has the advantage is winning.

[uneven wren]

logix's widow is pog

[willow moon]

[pearl stratus]

Defending Widow has so huge of an advantage on Volk B.

[proven saddle]

but diem widow is like top 3

[pearl stratus]

A is more neutral.

[proven saddle]

only behind bumper and bren

[uneven wren]

no one outsnipes bummaker

[clear crane]

bren numba 1

[vale pond]

someone sign bren

But they wont

There is a mutual agreement to not sign bren

[clear crane]

he gets paid too much as caster

[vale pond]

Because he would make the league boring

By clapping everyone

[proven saddle]

HOW

[clear crane]

they just pulled a carpe/eqo

[willow moon]

Diem

[trim shadow]

that was depressing

[clear crane]

jeez

[uneven wren]

idk how gamsu didn't die

[proven saddle]

they got gamsu by himself on the point

[vale pond]

Shanghai best dps duo oof

[uneven wren]

i guess toronto didn't push hard enough

[pearl stratus]

Geguri peeled like a crazy bitch

[uneven wren]

it was 5v4

[pearl stratus]

If you watched her.

[vale pond]

She has 900iq

[trim shadow]

geguri was basically battle mercy in a dva mech

[vale pond]

Gods pov

Pog

[uneven wren]

geguri ate a blizzard

[quasi stump]

geguri

[trim shadow]

geguri gonna get brain freeze

[willow moon]

Logix

[quasi stump]

LOGIX

[clear crane]

holy shitttt

[quasi stump]

JESUS

[clear crane]

MR LOGIX

[vale pond]

Logix

[quasi stump]

GEGURI

OMG

[clear crane]

WTF IS THIS

[quasi stump]

THIS GAME LOL

[willow moon]

Geguri

[trim shadow]

geguri taking a page out of RCK's book of bullshit dva bombs

[proven saddle]

omg logix is going to break is back trying to carry this team

[vale pond]

So much defense

[clear crane]

i thought they were gonna let the mercy live again

[uneven wren]

now it's over

now 1 tick or ite

tie*

[willow moon]

Where was that Dva bomb even

I didn't see it

[supple prism]

dang it, im wrong

[quasi stump]

ooooof

[clear crane]

wowwwwww

who wuda thought

[vale pond]

mangachupog aim

[trim shadow]

technically still a snowball

[vale pond]

yeah

[willow moon]

They took ages to kill baby Dva and ball

[uneven wren]

mercy op

[supple prism]

never bet on 4-0s

[uneven wren]

pog

[proven saddle]

technically only mei can snowball

[vale pond]

Very nice

[balmy wolf]

so ig envy is coming back in

[vale pond]

Geguri played well

mr logix just played better

[balmy wolf]

wait is envy only played on koth maps?

[vale pond]

idk

[uneven wren]

no envy played all maps vs van and first 3 vs seoul

[willow moon]

Geguri died like... twice.

That's it

Her durability is amazing

[proven saddle]

funny how no one is paying attention to the tanks

[uneven wren]

i doubt shanghai would only play envy on koth

off tanks do get attention

[vale pond]

She doesnt get enough attention

[uneven wren]

main tanks however

[vale pond]

Her hog is better than envy’s arguably

[proven saddle]

@uneven wren because are geguri and gods

[willow moon]

Main tanks usually don't get much attention because of the lack of action I reckon

[uneven wren]

it's not much attention but it is attention

[vale pond]

They got it a lot during goats

Super, bumper, etc

[proven saddle]

not gesture

[uneven wren]

now main tanks get like no attention

[willow moon]

Because Goats is 50% tanks

[uneven wren]

gesture got attention early on for being a feeder

then he started playing better

during goats

[proven saddle]

gesture is a feeder?

[uneven wren]

early on

then he cleaned up his game

[trim shadow]

Gesture wasnt that good in goats

[uneven wren]

i do wish he had better positioning

now he gets to play orisa

bumper has also been playing a good orisa

[clear crane]

dps is back

no one cares about tanks XD

[willow moon]

Yeah

;_;

And I like watching streams to learn tanks

[clear crane]

yea i enjoy watching flex tanks a lot

main is so-so

[uneven wren]

i became a tank/healer player because of goats

[vale pond]

low bar

[proven saddle]

chat has been so toxic

[clear crane]

i usually watch space's stream

[uneven wren]

still learning hog but getting better at him

[clear crane]

uh... wtf

[willow moon]

Hog is on the list. Gotta learn Dva and ball first

[trim shadow]

That is horrifying

[uneven wren]

jjanu has good positioning in his streams

[clear crane]

he looks like zach

[uneven wren]

i'm still best at dva

[willow moon]

Jjanu is a tank streamer?

[uneven wren]

yeah

[tawny sigil]

Lol thsse tweers

[uneven wren]

he streams from time to time

[willow moon]

Is it a dude with a Reaper pfp?

[dim raptor]

lmao someone said gamsu looks like a monk bald

[uneven wren]

i believe so

jjanu_ow on twitch

[willow moon]

Thanks. Was searching for him 😛

I'll follow any tank streamers I can

[uneven wren]

bumper streams but i haven't seen him stream recently

[vale pond]

I love good support play

[uneven wren]

if you can you have to watch a bumper stream

[vale pond]

sadly they dont get as much attention

[willow moon]

Two months ago, oof

[vale pond]

watching good anas is fun

[willow moon]

I'll follow him tho

[vale pond]

dogman pog

[uneven wren]

bumper's streams are hillarious

[balmy wolf]

jjanu was a fucking god at dva when goats was around

[vale pond]

I watched one of his steams

[willow moon]

Whoever acts as dps gets attention 😛

[vale pond]

It was good

[uneven wren]

he doesn't play like a serious player and is very positive even after a loss

[willow moon]

Nice ❤ I'll see if I can watch some records

[proven saddle]

THAT'S WHAT TOYOTA MAKES TO YOU

[vale pond]

toyota makes koreans carsick

Got it

[willow moon]

What lmaooooo

[trim shadow]

cough

[quasi stump]

yoga

[trim shadow]

nosebleed

i needa to uh

save this

[willow moon]

I got a cringe moment

[tawny sigil]

Torturing owl players presented by toyota

[clear crane]

lol they hide the translator behind the seat

[quasi stump]

oh shit it's emily

[trim shadow]

ITS EMILY

[willow moon]

Legacy lmao

[trim shadow]

i give malik 10 points for eing to focus

[quasi stump]

"how does that feel? is it easy?"

"fkin ez clap"

[willow moon]

Malik 😂

[vale pond]

My vrain

[willow moon]

He doesn't even hide it

[clear crane]

this is just a giant ad for toyota

[dim raptor]

lmao i love twitch chat so much

[trim shadow]

twitch chat is probably going insane

[dim raptor]

everyones spamming kreygasm

[uneven wren]

chat popping off with the kreygasm

and the "i lost"

i bet they didn't even lose

[clear crane]

twitch chat is weird

nothing else to it lol

[willow moon]

Opens chat
"A female specimen!"

lmao

[trim shadow]

a fine work of art emily is

no wonder she has the widow thighs

She does YOGA

[vale pond]

Fuck

Why envy

[willow moon]

Widow does yoga confirmed

[vale pond]

I want queen hog

[uneven wren]

emily is everywhere

doing yoga, on fbe, on owl

[trim shadow]

and nowhere

[willow moon]

I liked seeing Aid just drop his belly into the ground trying to lower his body

[dreamy cave]

They could have played her for this map. This its not as open but its a good d.va roadhog map in the 2nd part of the map

[clear crane]

uh...

dash in with 28 hp?

[trim shadow]

2nd point hollyowod is nasty

[willow moon]

Many areas of Hollywood are nasty

Doom and Dva running from a baby Dva

[clear crane]

ahh the youngjin doomfist

prob top 3

in all of overwatch

[trim shadow]

did mangachu just get deleted

[vale pond]

Mangachu...

Bad lul

[trim shadow]

mangachu like pulled out a blade and then got yeeted

[willow moon]

I thought Mangachu would do better today

[dreamy cave]

Nano blad DENIED

Blade*

[vale pond]

He’s playing bad today

[trim shadow]

how the fuck did they cap

[vale pond]

Maybe phara will help him

[clear crane]

shanghai playing pretty bad today

[uneven wren]

remember this is hollywood

shanghai doesn't win on hollywood

[clear crane]

deletedddddddddd

[willow moon]

Was Dding denied???

[uneven wren]

he barraged the supercharger

[clear crane]

i think he just got deleted

[willow moon]

of

[uneven wren]

that was it

[clear crane]

hmm zarya

[willow moon]

Youngjin is playing like I play

Committing too much for a single kill

[clear crane]

wow

[willow moon]

That was sad

[clear crane]

pretty good time considering their point a

[vale pond]

Aid got sacrificed lol

[uneven wren]

shanghai loses for the first time on volskaya

then are getting stomped on hollywood as usual

[vale pond]

My guess is they get their shit together and win map 5

Or they do for a map and lost map 5

3-2 regardless

[tawny sigil]

The prophecy is in full effect

[vale pond]

Geguri’s curse

Take her out and losses shall follow

Bring back the pog hog

[willow moon]

Ye

They'll only win if they bring back Geguri

[vale pond]

Envy really isnt much better tbh

at least this game

[trim shadow]

new age dive almost

spoke to soon

[willow moon]

Gamsu

[pearl stratus]

Mangachu got killed mid-Blizzard throw.

Thats a huge kill.

[clear crane]

lmfaooo pulled him from spawn

this is horrible...

[forest raven]

I hope shanghai loses to defiant tbh

[willow moon]

I mean with the way Defiant is playing they deserve it

Except Mangachu

[clear crane]

they cant win this

[quasi stump]

dragons pls

[clear crane]

best is a tie

[quasi stump]

HOLY SHIT

[willow moon]

What the fuuuuuuuuck

[quasi stump]

and the emote LOL

[clear crane]

lmfao

[forest raven]

Beyblade pogu

[balmy wolf]

how do u fuck up that last hold with and emp blizz combo

[willow moon]

Well that showed that Defiant may be playing very well but... It's still Defiant

[trim shadow]

Ult curse

[forest raven]

I will never forget APEX season 2 groups

On hollywood 3rd

Mighty AOD was defending against Lunatic-Hai

And AOD had 6 ults

They lost the fight without killing a single player on LH

[quasi stump]

YESSSS

[uneven wren]

draw

[forest raven]

Me :)

[balmy wolf]

if only logix actually could get a emp that isnt just 3 people that would be nice

[quasi stump]

interesting angle for pharah

[pearl stratus]

It's safe with a Doomfist.

[willow moon]

Sweaty palms for Dding's angle

[pearl stratus]

They can't turn to focus on him

[quasi stump]

I lik eit

LOL

[willow moon]

Mangachu

[quasi stump]

coma wow

[proven saddle]

One man emp

[willow moon]

Did it get Mangachu?

[quasi stump]

well this turned to shit

[willow moon]

Eyy full team emp

[quasi stump]

so scrappy

watching youngfist is so fun

[willow moon]

Two team kills.

[proven saddle]

shouldn't defiant's comp hard counter shagai's comp?

[quasi stump]

boostioooooo

[willow moon]

😂

[pearl stratus]

There's really no actual hard counters in the game.

Minus like..

Doomfist v. Soldier.

[quasi stump]

LUFFY SLEEP

OH NOOO

[willow moon]

That EMP

[quasi stump]

wow

and dragons are the ones to end the toronto losing streak

[willow moon]

That ending is so sad

They have a lot of ults tho

[quasi stump]

oh shit

[forest raven]

Capping in ot again uh oh

[quasi stump]

maybe they can do the same thing and keep toronto from pushing at all

or the other way around apparently

here we go here we go

[clear crane]

toronto gonna fuck this uyp

[quasi stump]

lol welp

WINNABLE

[willow moon]

I mean... 😛

[uneven wren]

2:36 to win

[willow moon]

I thought emp would fuck them up but nope. It was the two tanks dying to dps Sombra

[quasi stump]

good start

oh god

five ults

[willow moon]

So many ults

[quasi stump]

one fight left

SHIT

[forest raven]

Godshog

[quasi stump]

it's over

[clear crane]

WOW

LMAOOO

[balmy wolf]

YES

[willow moon]

Electric cowboy

[forest raven]

They lost

[proven saddle]

POG

[uneven wren]

defiant finally win

[proven saddle]

I WAS WRONG

[willow moon]

Everyone was wrong

[obtuse zodiac]

It'll be a 4-0

lmao

k

[dreamy cave]

Dang

[uneven wren]

toronto lose to washington but beat shanghai

[visual glen]

Pepega Dragons

[uneven wren]

washington > shanghai

[dreamy cave]

Who plays next?

[trim shadow]

why did i forsee this

[forest raven]

I'm liking the hat meta from sharyk and gods

I approve

[trim shadow]

Nd like

[uneven wren]

toronto's playoff hopes are still alive

[trim shadow]

Ignores it

[willow moon]

9:15 PM PST: Los Angeles Valiant vs Seoul Dynasty

[gaunt acorn]

feelsgoodman

[dreamy cave]

I'm going to sleep

[balmy wolf]

stage championship curse is real

[willow moon]

Yeah same

[dreamy cave]

I'll watch it later

[trim shadow]

At least this next match is on timw

[willow moon]

Not a match I need to stay awake for

Night, peeps ❤

[trim shadow]

Give ana shadowclones lul

[hidden vault]

Shanghai is just disappointing today

[trim shadow]

They shined

And then they made mistakes

Alot

[dreamy cave]

Can't you still get tokens from playing in game?

[trim shadow]

Of fucking mistakes

[forest raven]

Gods comfortable in front of the camera

[dreamy cave]

With skins

[forest raven]

[supple prism]

https://twitter.com/bonniequeue/status/1157144868293971969?s=20

bonnie (@bonniequeue)

valiant went 0-7 in stage 1 and beat stage 1 champions

outlaws went 0-7 in stage 2 and beat stage 2 champions

defiant went 0-7 in stage 3 and beat stage 3 champions

OWL is an anime

Twitter

[gaunt acorn]

https://i.imgur.com/XUyJq1N.png

lmao

and yeah i hope toronto keep winning

[minor flame]

rooted for charge

wanted mayhem to beat justice

wanted shanghai to win

bruh

today sucks

[balmy wolf]

logix denying wins against dragons

just like last season

[minor flame]

Logix and Gods literally mvping that series

[upper glade]

Thank Mr Logix

[clear crane]

finally my teammmm

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

A 6K BEYBLADE

[balmy wolf]

6K

[sinful rune]

6k ...

[pearl stratus]

Wasn't beyblade.

Beyblade specifically requires a nano.

It's an old comp reference.

[clear crane]

anddd they lose the point nice

[pearl stratus]

From when nano increased movement speed.

[sinful rune]

if space cant eat the reaper ult valiant loses

And he can really only eat stuff when he sweats on the competitive ladder

Uh... space USED to be good

[balmy wolf]

huh?

space has always been good

[sinful rune]

Not this stage he hasn't

[balmy wolf]

its only 2 games my dude

[sinful rune]

Oops I mean this season

Not stage

[balmy wolf]

The whole team was dogshit for almost 3 stages.

[sinful rune]

Yeah, the rest of them are getting better but space is still lagged behind for some reason

He used to be nuts, making plays, now he's just...there

[balmy wolf]

Dude his whole team rn are pretty meh rn.

[sinful rune]

Tbh they're having trouble withut soon carrying them

[balmy wolf]

They use ults like its candy.

[sinful rune]

Yeah you can tell custa was never a lucio player, he was a god tier zen and hes just forced on lucio

The best player valiant ever had was soon, his widow carried them season 1

[balmy wolf]

Last season LA was a dominant team all around.

Soon was just the cherry on top.

[clear crane]

?

why are the casters so surpised

was clearly calculated zen ult haha

[rancid hound]

Dynasty couldn't turn around a losing fight like Valiant

[echo quest]

KSF saved Kariv from looking like an idiot

[rancid hound]

Lol #calculated

[clear crane]

Sinatraa about to be MVP without playing a stage

[balmy wolf]

has played tho this stage

[clear crane]

eh 1 map

[forest raven]

Who's winning

[gaunt acorn]

@clear crane the fan vote is only a portion of the mvp vote

[balmy wolf]

LA is mid tier it seems like

Also dumb of them to hold that corner

You're just giving free space for no reason

[severe junco]

I missed the match today, was at school

Defiant 0-4'd?

[forest raven]

2-1

For the Defiant

[severe junco]

SDFDSFDS

YES

TIME TO WATCH A MATCH

[forest raven]

The NA/EU alliance popped off

Sharyk > Yakpung

tbh

[severe junco]

did sharyk actually get played?

fuck yeah

[forest raven]

Sharyk played the whole series

Sharyk/Gods, Logix/Manga

[severe junco]

paris vs defiant was gods and sharyk on control and that was amazing to watch

[forest raven]

Defiant was only 1/3rd Korean

[gilded peak]

the fu was FCT doing?

WOOT! Seoul Dynasty!

[supple prism]

damn, so close

[echo quest]

FCT lmao

That was funny

[gilded peak]

FCT screwed up, his whole team dying while he is trying to break shield to destroy Orisa ult

[gaunt acorn]

what a nice match

gg

[supple prism]

got just spitfire win and score correct and justice win correct today

[echo quest]

Not sure if LAV makes playins tbh

[forest raven]

I don't care either way

[gilded peak]

As long as they make it to the top 12, they are fine.

[gaunt acorn]

good win for seoul

[echo quest]

They also Face Shock and LAG

[severe junco]

any more matches for today?

[gilded peak]

Nah, its done. That was the last match

[forest raven]

Seoul gonna grind into playoffs then get rolled in quarters

Trust

[balmy wolf]

LA comeback is basically over

[echo quest]

Yup

[forest raven]

I'm a glads fan but

LA

[echo quest]

Shock is guaranteed loss imo

[balmy wolf]

How in tf do you throw that with highnoon nano

[echo quest]

If we see how they got obliterated in stage playoffs

Plus LAG is a hard game too

[forest raven]

Surefour was poppin in the houston game but

Still got boomed

[balmy wolf]

Seoul probs gonna get bodied if they make play ins

[echo quest]

Can’t judge Houston. They can beat Tier 1 teams and then lose to mayhem

[forest raven]

True

Houston exists only to boom preds

This music in the post show is poppin

[severe junco]

sharyk and gods sitting in a corner in volskaya is beautiful

[gaunt acorn]

@forest raven https://twitter.com/EFFECT/status/1157208148035268609

Syeon (@EFFECT)

Don't trust every post on twitter. biased and misrepresent . I am so sad that I suck at english. Please wait my official.

Twitter

[forest raven]

Yeah okay

A modicum of proof, please, and not just your word

[hidden vault]

So who are we trusting now?

[gaunt acorn]

neither of them seem to have given a fully reliable account of what happened

[hollow jasper]

Can someone sum up what happened for me in like a sentence

[hidden vault]

I hope both of them would

[vagrant niche]

I ain't trusting anybody

They both look like idiots

Specially effect for being a fool and getting in that situation

Dude could had any other fan girl and went with "crazy" according to him

[hidden vault]

That's what undead did

Well but for him it was fan girls

[balmy wolf]

Effect and woman person lady both pointed fingers and accused each other and said the other is lying

so far there's been absolutely no proof given from either side

[severe junco]

until proof

don't believe much

also @balmy wolf new pfp?

[balmy wolf]

ye ye

[balmy wolf]

When the contenders team that dropped you bc they got picked up by an esports org just got dropped by the esports org

[severe junco]

wait you got dropped by your contenders team?

[balmy wolf]

chicken contendies, when they → grunto i was let go

i just help around different contenders teams now, im not signed to any of em

for vods or tryouts

[severe junco]

oh dope

[regal swallow]

so whos to 3?

teams for now?

[willow moon]

What the actual fuck... I bought an item from OWL store. Paid the item, am expecting delivery, and DHL tells me there’s an “import tax” I need to pay before the item is delivered to me.
Import tax is basically 100 dollars

Nobody told me I had to pay that??

[hidden vault]

Don't pay it

Sounds like a scam

[trim shadow]

At this point trying to rank teams is impssible

Vancouver san fran is top 2

The rest are beating up on each other

[willow moon]

Unfortunately it’s not. I phoned DHL and apparently there are a lot of angry non-US buyers saying the sabe about OWL store

I’ll cancel though

Literally two times what I paid in the jersey

[wild geode]

release npine

let him get in the battle

[trim shadow]

http://www.haloofthoughts.co.uk/2019/08/report-cai-krystal-shilong-is-not-in-la.html?m=1

https://twitter.com/OWBeacon/status/1157239879220154368

OW Beacon (@OWBeacon)

.@Hangzhou_Spark has decided to indefinitely suspend Krystal, effective immediately. Consequences caused by his violation of rules and breaching of contract clauses will be handled by Tiance Law Firm.

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[willow moon]

Huh

Anyone got more intel on this case?

[trim shadow]

And shit gets worse for krystal

If hes still on the team

Id be suprised

[willow moon]

Oh, he ghosted

[trim shadow]

I didnt even read the part about him wanting@togo boston

[naive garden]

I can't see another team picking him up

This isnt the first time he's done this

[trim shadow]

Say sike right now

[willow moon]

Agreed

[trim shadow]

I think krystal is suffering season burn out

so hes acting out so he can get away

Theres some shit in the hangzhou team house that krystal must not like

Hangzhou is the last team i expected drama from

[naive garden]

If he was burnt out, he couldve retired, asked for leave for a stage, or a number of other things. He chose to be immature, lie to his team, and pull this crap

And considering he's done this before, Im more inclined to believe that he's being immature, than something going on with Hangzhou

[trim shadow]

How old is krystal 19?

[naive garden]

He'll be 19 this month

[trim shadow]

So 18

At 18 alot of boys should mature

And know how to handle thingsp

[balmy wolf]

There's a lot of different factors at play with Krystal

Most of which aren't public

[trim shadow]

Basically krystal> hangzhou Any player on boston> boston

Drama filled

[balmy wolf]

Effect too

[trim shadow]

I think the long season last year broke effect

Thats why he is the way he is

[balmy wolf]

lol

[echo quest]

ZiJin going to USA pog

Easily best DVA in China

Hopefully he can go train with the Spark and bring his hog and Zarya up to par

[trim shadow]

https://medium.com/@sgbros1_OW/allegations-by-hangzhou-spark-team-supervisor-longduo-against-player-krystal-en-translation-88d85346ba0e

If this is true

Krystal wont make it through off season

Still on owl

Breaking multiple agreements and contracts

And Lying to staff

[deep pebble]

He is indefinitely suspended by HZS now

https://twitter.com/OWBeacon/status/1157239879220154368?s=20

OW Beacon (@OWBeacon)

.@Hangzhou_Spark has decided to indefinitely suspend Krystal, effective immediately. Consequences caused by his violation of rules and breaching of contract clauses will be handled by Tiance Law Firm.

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[trim shadow]

Ik he is

But after that post i linked

Ita highly hes either getting traded or released from contract

[willow moon]

Goddamn that was one hell of a read

I wonder why he is behaving like that

[deep pebble]

Also the community representative of Team China OWWC 2018 Xiaogui said on Weibo that Krystal was being late several times during the Blizzcon

[trim shadow]

I think its his personality

[deep pebble]

https://weibo.com/6186845184/I0ozzdJD6?filter=hot&root_comment_id=0

[trim shadow]

Its in full chineese

[willow moon]

His personality makes him not comply with absolutely anything?
I don't know Krystal this much; is this his first professional team?

[trim shadow]

Thats the thing

some people have theese egos

[deep pebble]

He was in two other teams in China before

[trim shadow]

Where authority doesnt mean shit

And they dont abide by schedules

[willow moon]

I was just wondering if he was like that in the previous teams because if not, this ain't "personality"

Unless Sparks was toxic af towards him since the beginning

[deep pebble]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Cai_Shilong

[trim shadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/cl6ymh/full_direct_en_translation_of_hangzhous_article/?st=JYUFD5PB&sh=1b97385e

The manager speaks

[willow moon]

Yep. Basically what your other link said, too

Such a mess

[trim shadow]

Its all over the place at this point lul

But at least theres one clear narrative

Krystal is A asshole

For someone so talented but has a shitty personality

Where have i seen this

[willow moon]

But apparently even Sparks is calling this immature attitude. So maybe I'm looking at something that ain't there and the dude is just disrespectful indeed lol

[deep pebble]

an interview about he's former team T1w said he called he's former team manager several times when he went to LA

[trim shadow]

I noticed in the first likes of the article

Is that krystals parents entrusted him to the team

[deep pebble]

when he felt not good

[willow moon]

Well yeah he's 18

It's like the team are his guardians now

[trim shadow]

Most CN KR and japs dont leave the house till 25

So for him to go play in the americas

For big money

That was probably a huge step for his parents

[willow moon]

Ye

[trim shadow]

And they hoped Outside influence would help him

But apperantly not since hes a little shit to BLG

[deep pebble]

Hunter's coach RUI said the same thing on stream

Rui said many Hunter members feel stressed

[willow moon]

Is he the youngest on Sparks?

[trim shadow]

Hes 18

But hes turning 19 this month

Idk the exact age of most of the Sparcks team members

[deep pebble]

going pro really doesnt mean playing well alone

[naive garden]

Guxue is the youngest on the team

Guxue, Krystal, and Sasin are all 18

The rest are all in their early 20s

[deep pebble]

Guxue is really mature i think

he thinks a lot

[trim shadow]

He is

Look at his interviews

And post interviews

Hes not like gesture whos flaunting

[balmy wolf]

I also think for asians he looks older

Profit still looks 14

[trim shadow]

Guxue looks baby faced

[deep pebble]

Act like Winston lol

[trim shadow]

Stitch looks 10

And hes the oldest on vancouver

Cause Bumper looks the oldest

[deep pebble]

I still cannot believe that coma is older than gamsu

[trim shadow]

Scus me coma is older then gamsu?

[naive garden]

Who's the oldest player in the league?

[trim shadow]

Someones 25-26

I dont know who

Dafran was 25 before he retired

[deep pebble]

sorry theyre all 1995

[trim shadow]

Isnt rawkus 24

[deep pebble]

maybe fragi 28?

i think hes the oldest

[trim shadow]

Fraggi cant be that old

[naive garden]

Cocco is 28 too

[deep pebble]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Fragi

[naive garden]

scratch that, he's 29

[trim shadow]

Fraggi is 28? Christ

[deep pebble]

cocco is coach

[naive garden]

Right, forgot he moved to coach

[trim shadow]

Cocco retired?

I think

[echo quest]

Coolmatt is 30

[deep pebble]

that's insane

[trim shadow]

Coolmat is not 30

I refuse

[echo quest]

He is

Jehong is turning 28

[trim shadow]

Jehongni believe

Cause jehong looks old

[balmy wolf]

I believe jehong will play for those 5 years he stated he wanted to

[trim shadow]

He will..Especially since 222 is where he should shine

I fell asleep At the beginning last night so idk how anyone performed

[echo quest]

I wonder how old Fate is

[deep pebble]

if jehong keeps on a diet he will look like Hyunbin again lol

[echo quest]

Dhak was 29

[willow moon]

You lost Shanghai x Detroit?

[sullen berry]

@somber canopy https://www.twitch.tv/videos/461392201

You want to start playing from King's Row when Hanzo is in @54:20
there's a little bit where they swap him out on hanamura attack before that

[somber canopy]

I love you

Gracias

[gaunt acorn]

[echo quest]

Shock getting the bag

They sponsored by Marvel now

[trim shadow]

Bruh

Fr

[gaunt acorn]

@trim shadow https://twitter.com/SFShock/status/1157376574993260544

San Francisco Shock⚡ (@SFShock)

This is the fight of our lives. We are going to win... Whatever it Takes.

Proud to announce Stage 4 will be powered by @MarvelStudios #AvengersEndgame on Digital NOW & Blu-ray 8/13 https://t.co/fIy4fwedOn

Twitter

[pearl stratus]

@deep pebble Cocco is not a coach. Cocco is nothing.

He quit entirely.

Coolmatt would be oldest followed by Fragi/Ryuhejong.

[trim shadow]

Welp san fran is rolling in money now

Joining philly and comcast

[hasty flare]

what happned with kyrstal

GO SF

[trim shadow]

Read up

[little silo]

CV are 1 map away from getting reverse swept by HSL rn

[gaunt acorn]

FUCK

[balmy wolf]

damn CV got reverse swept

[supple prism]

oh, i can finally make predictions

[gaunt acorn]

twitch picks?

yeah

[willow moon]

They’re fixed it? Nice

[supple prism]

ok, what are we selecting for them

[willow moon]

Went to claim my prize, “region ineligible”

What >: (

[gaunt acorn]

i was halfway through completing it, then it disappeared

[supple prism]

hey

i just had to do one last one

[willow moon]

I did all of them

Which one will win. Which will deal more damage. Which player will heal the most. Which player will kill the most.

[supple prism]

i didnt get to do the which tank will use most ults

next time ill just quickly pick random ones then go back and read and adjust

[willow moon]

Apparently my region is ineligible for the tokens

[supple prism]

lame

[willow moon]

Whatever that means

[supple prism]

and on a side note: i got another "thanks for reporting" notification on login. woo

[willow moon]

Those are so satisfying

[supple prism]

oh its back

[trim shadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/cla7gj/owl_teams_probability_of_qualifying_to_postseason/

[gaunt acorn]

so how do you submit your picks

i've made all my selections

[willow moon]

I think you just pick and that’s it

How much is 60k bits goddamn

[little silo]

Like a lot

[supple prism]

at least 60k

nah, idk

what is it, like a dollar for 5?

[willow moon]

Let’s pretend it is

That’s 12k dols

[supple prism]

oh no

100 for 1.40

or 25000 for 308

[willow moon]

Hmm ok

So

That makes it better lol

Would be a little under a thousand

Well I just realised I won’t be able to see Gladiators play today

Feelsbadman

[balmy wolf]

seems like the CV team is dead now, players are lft rn

[trim shadow]

look at nenne getting clapped

please pavane

sbb and libero

paris wins

[sullen berry]

guangzhou getting pumped for a comeback win today

[trim shadow]

i forsee no future where hangzhou wins

thats how much i think hangzhou with krystal hurts em

[balmy wolf]

@balmy wolf theres been a lot of internal issues

like with player relations

no org has signed them as well

no org wants to

they all have very toxic backgrounds in OWPD and such

whats OWPD?

[pearl stratus]

Internal server that self polices people who are shit fucks

iirc.

*server not service.

[balmy wolf]

overwatch police department, extremely controversial discord server that's dedicated to documenting cheaters/wintraders/etc but the members are very very controversial in opinions and online slandering

doesn't sound like a nice place

its something

i think they removed the universal invite, im only in bc of CC

i imagine u need to proof to get in now

they also coordinated a raid on the healslut discord server trying to flex their t500 ratings to get them in then try to get em

by "i think" i mean i forgot when they did it

[dreamy cave]

can someone @ me when the first match starts?

[balmy wolf]

sure

[outer sluice]

4-0 NYXL

[balmy wolf]

@balmy wolf when you mean toxic backgrounds, is it related to the team being mostly OTP?

nah just their foxicity in ranked and such

[outer sluice]

I hope we beat the fusion tonight 🤞

[desert rain]

@dreamy cave It's starting big boy

[outer sluice]

Playoff time is near

[dreamy cave]

ight

[visual glen]

Only 5 people from NY walked out

?????

Or am I blind

[balmy wolf]

I saw 5 people too

[pearl stratus]

They're playing Paris.

Probably decided they only need 5.

[balmy wolf]

😂

i forgot they switched out the chairs for a different brand

[trim shadow]

Paris 3-1

[covert arrow]

how come they haven't enabled drops this time :(?

[pearl stratus]

? Drops are enabled.

Are you in a shitty country?

[covert arrow]

UK

it says they not

REEEE

[balmy wolf]

SBB

POG

[formal spruce]

drops aren't enabled for me either

[little silo]

insane nade

[formal spruce]

should be though

NL here

[trim shadow]

100-0

[visual glen]

NY just running the same comp

[formal spruce]

they just started working a minute ago

so refresh (if that's even necessary)

[little silo]

Cloudy?

[visual glen]

Pepega ball gameplay

[dreamy cave]

oof

that was big brain ghost from sbb

dodging the emp

[woven badge]

Ever upwards

[dreamy cave]

[balmy wolf]

jeez that was scrappy

it wasn't clean

but I'm happy NYXL is killin it

[tawny sigil]

just wait. they're gonna trigger the prophecy as usual and lose, stage 4 has been all about the prophecy so far

[woven badge]

I'm kinda trippin abt SBB staying on reaper when he wasn't getting value

[dreamy cave]

free my guy pine

[balmy wolf]

u mean win map 1 and then lose the rest?

[tawny sigil]

yes

[woven badge]

If they want a widow duel, bring pine

Wtf

[tawny sigil]

pine is washed up

[dreamy cave]

they got pine shackled up in the nyxl base

[woven badge]

They feed him 1 carrot a day

[jovial fiber]

Nyxl best team

[trim shadow]

Nenne is out

[balmy wolf]

pine isnt washed up its just his inconsistencies are shining much more now lol

[trim shadow]

Stop throwing nyxl

[balmy wolf]

to be fair; he hasn't been able to not prove himself at all this season for pine

[woven badge]

He hasn't played at all

[trim shadow]

And no one wants to let pine prove himself

[woven badge]

AFAIK

[trim shadow]

He didnt play bad in all stars

[dreamy cave]

he hasnt played at all to show his "inconsistancies"

[trim shadow]

But thats all stars

Pavane is litterally rotting his talent

[dreamy cave]

all stars isnt even his actual team

then again. there was a time when nyxl was like on the entire line up minus 1 person right?

[visual glen]

They should just bring Pine out for like 1 map

[balmy wolf]

naw

map 4

[visual glen]

If they're already 3-0 or something

[balmy wolf]

after winning 3-0

[sinful rune]

What the fuck are they doing

[balmy wolf]

playing "meta" which is bunker with reaper and mei

[visual glen]

NY changed the players but same comp

[sinful rune]

And going against soon's widow, they should be running pine

[balmy wolf]

not sure the libero ult was needed there but kk

[proven saddle]

Could we please fire the camera guy?

[trim shadow]

Theres multiple

[balmy wolf]

I agree but also in his defense, you don't always know where the action is

[proven saddle]

emotin mei > jjonak popping off

[dreamy cave]

bring in nenne just to have him play reaper also. #hurts

[balmy wolf]

I mean if that were the case, everyone would be only watching jjonak or the dps

tank play isn't always easy to spot unless it's extremely flashy

[dreamy cave]

^facts

[balmy wolf]

I like to see everyone, so bird eye camera is nice

[sinful rune]

I know pine can't play anything besides widow, cree, and tracer, but I think he could probably pull off a reaper ... i mean .... its reaper

[dreamy cave]

tank play is just alot of shield war

[balmy wolf]

^

He can only play McCree and Widow and possibly soldier

I don't recall him playing tracer

[dreamy cave]

pine is a pretty good soldier

[sinful rune]

He played tracer a few matches last season

[balmy wolf]

pine was not the tracer player

[proven saddle]

well, also orisa is the most boring tank to watch

[balmy wolf]

I mean yea but it's not what he's known for

[proven saddle]

imo

[balmy wolf]

You don't put pine on Tracer and SBB on Soldier

[visual glen]

Orisa is boring

[dreamy cave]

sbb is tracer ik

[balmy wolf]

what kinda weird universe would that be

[dreamy cave]

but pine can flex to it if needed

[sinful rune]

Oh I remember at one point SBB was on widow and pine on tracer

[balmy wolf]

I do think SBB is a decent widow

[proven saddle]

that's the ultimate disrespect move

[sinful rune]

That's how much NY throws, they literally had SBB, the tracer specialist, on widow, and pine, the widow specialist, on tracer

[balmy wolf]

and I would rank
SBB Tracer > Nenne Tracer

[sinful rune]

Like....

[proven saddle]

like when muse swap the members of the band

[sinful rune]

When Metallica screwed Jason Newstead

[dreamy cave]

ooof libero

[proven saddle]

why does nyxl has so many hitscan players?

[hidden vault]

Cause they are jersey sellers

[dreamy cave]

ANAMOO poping off with the wings

[tawny sigil]

lol

pepega clip

[dreamy cave]

OMG

[trim shadow]

Finnsi

[dreamy cave]

NENNE

[trim shadow]

What the fuck

[tawny sigil]

watch me whip, now watch nenne click some heads

prophecy avoided

[dreamy cave]

nenne and anamo big plays this match

[little silo]

Libero is playing really well today

[balmy wolf]

Pine map 4?

Libero is

but I don't think I've ever seen him have like

a not good day

or like his bad days aren't severely noticable

[little silo]

he has a really good day rn

[dreamy cave]

libero is pretty consistent on hanzo.

[little silo]

his mei is filthy too

[balmy wolf]

Jjonak is also a filthy Mei

Like yea they lost to Atlanta

[dreamy cave]

i just wanna see him pop off like he used too last year

[balmy wolf]

but my god jjonak was on mei for less than 20 seconds and got a 3k

[jagged crater]

so what heores need some nerfs? support diversity looks really good rn, dps is ok but still see the same 4-5, tanks is too much orisa

[dreamy cave]

watching libero n pine duo was unfair and jjonak is a 3rd dps

[jagged crater]

im thinking snipers and orisa

[little silo]

i cant judge jonaks mei based on 20 seconds

[balmy wolf]

No

You can't really nerf a sniper without ruining them entirely

[jagged crater]

yes you can

[balmy wolf]

Like they're really on a razor's edge when it comes to balancing

yes you actually can

its been done before

[dreamy cave]

then they need to fix ash

[proven saddle]

@jagged crater imo, they should nerf a little orisa's shield

[dreamy cave]

shes so odd, even after being toyed with a bit

[jagged crater]

orisa is obviously causing mei and reaper pickrates to be much higher than they should be , so mei and reaper are fine imo

[balmy wolf]

You remove Hanzo and Widow's ability to one shot head shot someone which is their biggest utility, then it's fucked and ppl won't play them as much

[jagged crater]

hanzo and widow are noticeably stronger than other dps

[little silo]

orisa shield is getting a nerf but it wont be in OWL untill playoffs

[balmy wolf]

Yea because they're the only dps who can headshot

and kill

in one

[jagged crater]

nobody is suggesting a nerf to hanzo/widow's one shot kill

im suggesting a nerf to their mobility

[proven saddle]

if you nerf the one shot you would ruined them

[jagged crater]

ofc

which is why you nerf something else

[balmy wolf]

but their mobility isn't necessarily the issue. Widow's ability to dominate and Widow's grapple if nerfed too much would also ruin her. Where she is now is fine

Hanzo just hurts too much

[jagged crater]

dont nerf their one shot, that is fine

[balmy wolf]

expect giving snipers mobility is the worse thing u can do

[jagged crater]

nerf their mobility, exaggerate their weaknesses

[dreamy cave]

i mean 5 arrows is fine for a nerf

[tawny sigil]

wtf are these clip

[proven saddle]

i don't think mobility is the issue, is the synergy between widow an hanzo

[balmy wolf]

snipers need to be glass cannons

[dreamy cave]

i think hanzos mobility is fine

[little silo]

hanzos mobility is insane though

[jagged crater]

it's either hanzo's storm or his leap

[tawny sigil]

"NENNE POPPED OFF" roll tons of libero clips

[jagged crater]

storm already nerfed a bunch, so i expect leap

[balmy wolf]

Sniper's are the hardest characters to play extremely well which is the trade off of course on a stage like OWL good widows aren't lacking

[dreamy cave]

the leap is fine, its not even that far of a leap

[jagged crater]

hanzo already has wallcimb, he's not completely immobile with a longer cd on leap

[little silo]

combined with wallclimb and a low cooldown on leap he can just run away from a dive

[jagged crater]

too damn mobile dawg

for a dude with taht much dps

[proven saddle]

i think the main problem is how well sonic arrow, mine and widow's ult synergizes

[jagged crater]

AND one shot ability

if that was it, then they would've been picked together way more often before

sonic arrow and widow mine/ult are like the most reasonable parts of their kit

[proven saddle]

double sniper was a meta for a while

[jagged crater]

yea because of their daamge

and one shot ability

from across the map while being able to escape if dived on

[gilded peak]

Double Sniper still feels meta now that 2-2-2 is back.

Just depends on map though

[balmy wolf]

I mean yea

snipers wills always be viable, especially hanzo

[jagged crater]

think of this way, orisa gets nerfed enough that reaper/mei/hog wont get picked as much

[proven saddle]

ashe kinda counts as a sniper

[balmy wolf]

but I would argue most of Stage 4 thus far has more so been Mei, Reaper, and Hanzo with Widow having the same pickrate as like Sombra

[jagged crater]

then double sniper would dominate

[little silo]

widow is better and more reliable but lacks shield break

hanzo has more "get out of jail free" cards than Widow

way more forgiving

[dreamy cave]

hanzo is better at closer range and has shield break and spam damage

[jagged crater]

ashe aint anywhere close to the sniper as hanzo/widow due to lack of reliable one shot kill (reqs mercy pocket)