Generally more so than winning
#esports-discussion
upper hawk
karmic grotto
@vagrant niche bruh its random placements matches
with players playing a role theyre flexing
dont expect them to play at a level
tawny sigil
that's pretty much a hero redesign for brig
Moira's fade, can now be used while stuned... WHAT?
balmy wolf
They should have lowered the damage and just upped the healing as well as that cause she really is just a heal bot
well she already puts on immense healing, but not enough utility for her to be competitive against the other healers.
night tusk
upper hawk
I mean if she can escape and then heal while teammates are stunned thats pretty good
night tusk
I heard not to long ago that blizzard "leak" stuff to watch reaction (or not really blizzard)
limber pine
i don't know if they purposefully leak stuff
they just don't particularly care if it does
tawny sigil
We live in the era of leak
upper hawk
Sigma looks like somebody's Greek grandpa
tawny sigil
its crazy all the shit that gets leaked nowaday
night tusk
ligma 🦀
balmy wolf
having a new hero in the first place is bound to get attention anyway
free publicity for them
night tusk
but if you watched the video
its insane someone knows that the hearthstone game ingame name was the same
tropic herald
Holy crap the changes
tawny sigil
brig's shield from 500 to 200 health. so her shield is only for bashing now and nothing else
balmy wolf
Im pretty sure a charged widow shot can break it now right?
pearl stratus
No
limber pine
no
pearl stratus
Charged widow shot with no multiplier is 125.
tawny sigil
no widow shots are 120
pearl stratus
either way without a multiplier you'r enot breaking brig shield in one shot
tropic herald
That rein change is sooooo nice
balmy wolf
rein wont get abused anymore pog
pearl stratus
Just in time for no one to give a fuck about Rein 😛
tropic herald
I don’t know about the brig changes though
night tusk
do you guys think xQc will be picked for team canada this year?
tropic herald
They changed her so much
pearl stratus
Rein relegated back to King's Row Duty with Zarya.
balmy wolf
what about the sym changes?
night tusk
he is a good main tank but does this guy play hammond ?
limber pine
who's their other option?
tropic herald
None of the other candidates have shown competition to him imo
night tusk
isnt chayne a main tank aswell ?
pearl stratus
I mean I guess you could call what he does main tanking
gaunt acorn
chayne is not as good as xqc
upper hawk
xQc will get it
trim shadow
Dunks or chanye was underwhelming in the scrim
night tusk
upper hawk
He was outstanding with Mouffin the other day
trim shadow
Harbleu?
tropic herald
xQc has a really good Winston
trim shadow
Oo chanye is playing today
balmy wolf
Remember when he would actually try in ladder off stream?
night tusk
like we have seen hammond being one important hero. wonder how good it will be on 2-2-2 but I have not seen xQc playing hammond at this moment
upper hawk
Dunks got dunked on
tropic herald
Off stream xQc is insane
upper hawk
Not impressive at all
pearl stratus
Right now with 222 all you really need to worry about is Orisa and Winston.
Anything else is just nice.
tropic herald
Rein for KR
trim shadow
Wasnt crimzo in owl before?
balmy wolf
no
little silo
no
tropic herald
Crimzo was in Canada last year
trim shadow
why does his name sound familiar
balmy wolf
hes been a contenders player for a long time now
little silo
On Team envy
trim shadow
Hes on a academy right
balmy wolf
yes
balmy wolf
and he doing pretty well
little silo
Crimzo could replace quite a few flex supports in the League tbh
little silo
why tho
tropic herald
Dogman focuses on pleasing the crowd not his team
trim shadow
Damn was gonna say signing time but the deadline for signings is long gone
trim shadow
Hes fulltime contenders
balmy wolf
^
trim shadow
He just lives in the house
trim shadow
Mangachu
tropic herald
Kodak was good but Daco was apparently toxic towards him
trim shadow
Both flex supports
trim shadow
Wonder how much the pay is
night tusk
Twitter
tawny sigil
forcing 2-2-2 on quick play, thank god i thought they werent going to touch quick play
quickplay might be usefull now
night tusk
I think the only good from this is, is that overwatch system is known for 222. for new players or players who never played ow
trim shadow
Someone says brig is MH now
night tusk
like someone said this will help the game in long term. people might try this game now with this
people to this day still call winston and hammond a off tank
trim shadow
Smooth brain people
minor flame
Tf is MH
night tusk
gu-guys we need a shield tank
minor flame
Brig is Monster Hunter?
night tusk
im your favorite hero
tawny sigil
oh you can check every box if you dont care
balmy wolf
What? No more 6 dps in ranked? Wtf???
Yes, no more.
No more I pick dps and everyone picks dps shit.
This was the secret to 100% victory
night tusk
wonder who I can blame now for my losses 🤔
tawny sigil
oh shit i have 1510 lootbox on the test server
oh wait... that's cause that's what i got on live 
jebaited yall
trim shadow
@minor flame main healer/support you doughnut
night tusk
all dps players who have tried to master brig 
night tusk
tawny sigil
healing on herself finally nerfed
tropic herald
Brig is still weird
minor flame
Philly getting 222 still wont fix their trash coordination
tawny sigil
her shield is to be never on now,
night tusk
what is sr decay ?
minor flame
Brig is less durable like way less durable now
tropic herald
Idk how she will be until I actually play her
minor flame
But her healing on everyone else is like
trim shadow
Philly: thank@you jeff now carpe can carry again
minor flame
Really good
tawny sigil
moira is the way to go now
balmy wolf
I'm confused on her inspire healing buff
upper hawk
It recovers health for her slower also
little silo
where can I look at the ptr patch notes?
limber pine
little silo
thanks
tawny sigil
nobody is playing on ptr 😦
balmy wolf
So when brig hits stuff the duration healing is now 130?
limber pine
yes
balmy wolf
How long does it take to get to 130?
little silo
rein gets a stun resistance?
balmy wolf
6 seconds for inspire
limber pine
from BOOPS
balmy wolf
I really like the slowing effect change
balmy wolf
I wonder how the sym changes are? People are saying its a nerf.
little silo
we will see how many new tp spots will be found with the increased range
balmy wolf
The fact it stays up forever until sym wants it gone or is destroyed is what makes me think it’s huge. Cause mobile bunker can go anywhere now
That's what kind of annoys me.
Since syms will just turret bomb that shit and make it harder to destroy.
little silo
its still fairly easy to destroy though
balmy wolf
Mobile bunker does sound fun as hell tho.
Bunker attack
So brig charges are like junkrat bombs in a sense.
little silo
is anyone playing the new Brig rn
royal copper
Shield bash + immeadiate jump = distance boost?
balmy wolf
On the role queue selection there is a timer for each role.
Dps having a queue of >10 mins
royal copper
this is in ptr right now?
balmy wolf
Yes
royal copper
😮
balmy wolf
Apprently less than 5 mins
little silo
in general or for a specific rank?
balmy wolf
I do find it interesting that the time to build up ults has increased for everyone
Im doing placements rn
well Im waiting to get into a game
But also that brig has her ult charge farther pushed back
tropic herald
I like the ult charge change honestly
gaunt acorn
DECAY IS GONE
karmic grotto
Yeah
Finally
If I want to have rest on my highest SR role to have fun with another role
I now can because no decay
tropic herald
Finally I can push really high on the role I feel good at
little silo
Finally I dont have to flex for the other supports
night tusk
decay is gone ?
ow ye
I was thinking? xd surefour over decay ?
just watched jayne explains 222
and wonder who of them will play genji in dallas ? xd
AKM
“They had rck for if they needed a projectile player”
night tusk
leaked watchpoint is removed from reddit (stream website) did not finished yet..
tawny sigil
what time is it at?
i mean i doubt they have anything special to tell us at this point
tropic herald
4pm PT
severe junco
about an hour from now iirc
echo quest
@vagrant niche how was comp in the ptr so far?
vagrant niche
very enjoyable for the most part
examples
i'll go dm you, it seems there's some censoring here
night tusk
ptr = good but for sure not balanced in mmr placement
also one trick hog can be annoying since it force you to one comp almost
pearl stratus
Just use a new account, its what I'm most likely going to do.
night tusk
I legit saw people trying OW again or re-installing. I hope the esports will grow aswell
pearl stratus
I just hope it ends up neutral.
Lots of dps will quit, you're just hoping you bring back more than you lose.
night tusk
I hope we can see more filled stadium's for next season OWL
pearl stratus
Homestands are easier to fill than the arena, since they're unique.
Even when you're using them multiple times.
Dallas gets 5 homestands I think, and I doubt they'll have trouble with any of them because realistically thats still rare.
night tusk
I really like the stuff OWL brings with the growth on esports. first big esports event in dallas. first esports game on cable tv in na. famous people mentioning/visiting OWL. be on a TV show. big sponsors like coca cola and gilette and stuff. wonder what we see in 2020
Biggest weakness of Overwatch might be that other games are still populair. Call of duty, fifa and csgo are alot older than OW. And fortnite is even kinda mainstream. But OW have atleast a fanbase of girls and boys. Old and young. Like how nate mentioned. A family might watching the games home and that is atleast awesome from OW
echo quest
Cod went to shit after ghosts
night tusk
I only like bo1 but if you talk to a “normie” lets call it that way. They know the game
Often if I tell I play Overwatch. People are like “what is that?”
Maybe because i’m from eu?
this is pog
vagrant niche
Watchpoint is going to start soon
pearl stratus
Twitter
That'll break a team.
Fran is waaaay too attractive. The weebs won't know what to do.
night tusk
will help with promotion I guess
I don't watch t2 often and for sure no t3 but cool if it get more viewers
pearl stratus
Put her with Swimmer, watch Swimmer instantly hit puberty.
night tusk
xd
little silo
Mr Spector weirds me out
night tusk
what this guy says; have 222 for OWL because the game have it aswell = good so we can learn from it (and seems that it is better to watch aswell) some people wanted 222 lock only on comp but not in OWL. that is imo not good and some mentioned that other games died because of it
trim shadow
when is stage 4 next week?
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
trim shadow
yeaa next week
night tusk
25th jul
pearl stratus
The problem is long term health of the game states that they should always be the same.
trim shadow
so thats why no patch for stage 4
pearl stratus
You don't want things to exist in your proplay that don't exist in your regular game.
People should want to emulate pros etc.
So you're always all win.
trim shadow
pros have always influated games
from leauge
to fucking tetris
its just weird if pros dont have a sayin meta strats
night tusk
me speedrunning game xd
honestly I became a main tank player because of miro
still playing winston
trim shadow
F for miro
night tusk
miro and now fissure
trim shadow
the two gods of the pantheon
night tusk
still what I would like to see was Dafran in OWL when 222 lock. but yeah..
he might maaaaybee do OWWC.
night tusk
tf2 died they mentioned because of it
trim shadow
so basically
if san fran starts loosing
crusty is washed
wait he went back to korea for high blood pressure that got dark
night tusk
trim shadow
mtn dew gameful
how much?
thats taking xbox 360 basement crawler to basement master
little silo
yes you can
night tusk
balmy wolf
just like pine will
night tusk
get ready for zacharee genji
night tusk
that dallas still have no projectile player...
trim shadow
i believe she didnt
night tusk
this video was made yesterday or maybe even earlier
trim shadow
ah
night tusk
so they might not even know
hidden osprey
@gaunt acorn https://i.imgur.com/9dx4QxO.png
lol, I got you beat by quite a bit hahaha, I just got this a few hours ago
trim shadow
they probably know now
hidden osprey
😅
night tusk
listen to super. he wants to say smurf but.. than he does not mention it
wait for it xd
night tusk
and.. you know
trim shadow
architech and striker two of the best dps in the game?
i take that as a declaration of war
night tusk
striker on the bench. architect on the bench. who else ?
trim shadow
smurf
pearl stratus
Super has a mediocre Orisa compared to Smurf.
And with Sinatraa going to the bench I think you're more likely to see Smurf anyway.
night tusk
on the playoffs
they played 5 koreans and moth.. wonder if they still comm in english
trim shadow
sinatraa will probably goto map specialist
pearl stratus
Pavane won't change anything, their current roster is still their strongest one.
gaunt acorn
@hidden osprey but that doesn't beat me.. mine is older 
night tusk
I saw that stratus clip on reddit
it was pog
wonder if the new tanks will help justice, but.. don't think so
trim shadow
if stratus doesnt start in 222 Washington activetly throwing
the 2 new tanks are miles of improvment overr bot janus and bot sansam
hidden osprey
Oh I thought it said July 
night tusk
there are not alot of teams I think "oh they might be better with 222" because every team might be better on 222 (for example NYXL still good) but London will be higher in the power ranking for sure
profit can legit carry. and the team have more than just profit xd
pearl stratus
Profit Hanzo does not carry that hard.
night tusk
last time I saw profit hanzo was in stage 1 or 2 vs shanghai. it was that the others could not help him out but he popped damn off
but diem did pop off aswell so ye
night tusk
gesture might be happy on orisa aswell. but shanghai will have good aswell since gamsu is good aswell with orisa
pearl stratus
His widow is good, not amazing and never been the same since his injury
night tusk
widow with aderal is pog. but he seems to be tired last matches
pearl stratus
It was healed before Stage 4.
Things like that can just fuck with you for life.
Look at fl0w3r.
vagrant niche
i wonder if Timo will do good now
vagrant niche
Zach
pearl stratus
You really don't need a genji.
night tusk
zach xd
pearl stratus
Nanoblade is the least effective of the Orisa comps.
Since the genji has to bot farm for ult for so long.
balmy wolf
Petition to make AKM blade a form of time measurement
night tusk
but than the other problem might be is that the best pharah of dallas is akm. but than you have 2 hitscan players in the team ?
vagrant niche
didn't dallas acquired a new flex dps?
pearl stratus
Taimou is aproblem in a good way.
night tusk
off tank actually who would flex
pearl stratus
Because he is also the best hog on Dallas.
So you can let AKM widow and taimou can og.
*hog
trim shadow
ahh right mickie probably will still get no playtime
night tusk
true but might be risky
vagrant niche
mickie is there just for the fans
night tusk
or teams could sign harblue aswell.. you rather have a real off tank
balmy wolf
note can hog just fine, allow taimou to be on widow
night tusk
because you would not see taimou go dva if needed and with role queue he is forced to stay on off tank
I remember team canada note zarya popping off
legit carried vs brasil
pearl stratus
I mean... it was Brasil.
vagrant niche
when can Florida be a good team 
night tusk
4Shrug
new manager new coaching staff
xd
still wonder why they have a full korean roster but a non korean coach
balmy wolf
really?
night tusk
was on reddit aswell
trim shadow
kruise was about to break the desk with that slam
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
night tusk
I like that charge first match is vs philly
trim shadow
fraggi gonna be walking out with a swagger
night tusk
but some might say we might not see him. Fragi do not stream and we have not seen the scrims so we wont know how good his orisa/hammond is
balmy wolf
fragi gonna love sitting on the bench once again 
echo quest
Fragi wont even play against his old team
night tusk
envy just got roasted
trim shadow
unless geguri or envy have been hard practiing Dva
night tusk
envy did not even suck on dva 
balmy wolf
oh it looks like they fixed the chat bug
little silo
Shanghai could just run Orisa Hog
night tusk
did charge won from shanghai ?
little silo
Youngjin is a good hog and they have run that comp a lot
night tusk
well.. that was it I guess
upper niche
did I miss anything on the watchpoint broadcast? I only tuned in <5 mins ago
trim shadow
but i still have vancouver winning
night tusk
lol
you can rewatch it ? you missed reaction from the players what they think about 222
balmy wolf
got into a match in ptr, then leaver
upper niche
Apparently there's some big change everyone's talking about, did I miss it? 😄
upper niche
uhhh
trim shadow
but that wont be in stage 4 so ignore that
night tusk
no ?
upper niche
yes, I know, I read the patch notes before I left home 😛 No seriously, other than the obvious, do I need to re-watch it?
night tusk
222 is in stage 4 only not the balance changes ?
tawny sigil
lol @ bren making fun of how well of a secret 2-2-2 was
league having a patch before live, so weird
or a change rather
so they will be 1.38.0 but 2-2-2 from 1.39.0
upper niche
OWL games are done on custom games anyway
tropic herald
They couldve done 222 a long time ago bc it’s a custom
gaunt acorn
except they've always wanted owl to mirror the actual game
echo quest
Well gg team Canada
Agill has a trip to Japan near when they play
He might not play
gleaming raptor
Opinions on 2/2/2 role lock? Personally looking forward to it
gaunt acorn
very cool
opaque cargo
Mildly ambivalent but the massive brig changes indicate to me that it gives Blizz the space to be more bold with their design decisions which is really good
Might also relieve some uncertainty in OWL players
Since their role is less likely to vanish with a meta shift
gleaming raptor
Agreed, the meta shortly after the change won't be great but it should provide a better foundation for balancing
balmy wolf
Terrible idea for the league
vale pond
Bunker double sniper is gonna make me wanna kms
balmy wolf
okay idea for the ladder
vale pond
Please nerf double sniper into the ground
Heroes thatcan oneshot 2/3 of the enemy team are not fun
upper niche
Incoming: A sniper-tank.
dapper aspen
don't watch OWL much not for awhile, but wasn't Shanghai Dragons the team to go on a 0-50 or something losing streak?
with an old roaster?
gaunt acorn
@dapper aspen 0-40 last season with a different roster
dapper aspen
was only last season?! felt like ages ago
gaunt acorn
well, we're only on the 2nd season now
gleaming raptor
the role lock won't be great in the short-term but if any meta is really stale in the future, the balancing team now has more control over which team comps are strong and weak
atleast in theory
balmy wolf
Kind of the same thing with the hero limit change.
gleaming raptor
Exactly, technically there's less options and "creativity" since that change but we've seen just how good it was for the game, and I feel like that's how it'll be for role lock in the future
balmy wolf
2 Winston's, 2 Lucio's, and 2 tracers was ummmm..... interesting to play against
gleaming raptor
Yeah I feel like when people say there's less "creativity" with changes like role lock, I'm baffled they don't remember the balance of the game before the hero limit which technically restricted freedom
balmy wolf
"creativity" in this game is stacking certain things on top of each other and make it annoying as hell to fight against.
Whether it be skills or the type of hero you stack, it was rarely fun to play against imo.
gleaming raptor
Yeah pretty much
I think the GOATs meta really brought out those issues with the game
balmy wolf
Tho I will admit going penta tank was fucking awesome sometimes.
gleaming raptor
yeah sometimes having that freedom is really fun
upper niche
I'm tempted to find a group of people to 6-stack with an go 6 healer for the last few days of comp this season, a last hurrah
balmy wolf
oh how are the canada tryouts going so far?
gaunt acorn
breaking news: paris drops to 0% pick rate
quick slate
gaunt acorn
i don't know if it was the best thing ever but i liked watching it
balmy wolf
in terms of raising the skill cap, then yes it was a good meta
Would I like something similar to that ever again. Most likely not.
echo quest
S4 is dunking rn
trim shadow
Mouffin might make owl honestly if he does well in owwc
trim shadow
Traded for*
karmic grotto
Note: seems like I'm washed yo by some new comer
echo quest
S4 was on fire every map
Mouffin is an absurd off tank player. Last season he had three accounts in top 10
gaunt minnow
Dive and double snipers will be back in OWL guys!
Expect London to rise back again lol, Profit and Birdring are nutty.
tawny sigil
sinatraa will be back into irrelevancy
balmy wolf
I’m expecting bunker honestly. With all the prior goats nerfs, dive tanks were inadvertently affected and fucked.
waxen hedge
Brigitte rework (read: nerfed into oblivion) pretty much guarantees the death of GOATs meta.
With incoming 2-2-2, bunker is the go-to strats for defense team, which will result in the "rework" of Baptiste, since bunker is now strong with the addition of him
pearl stratus
...
You do know Baptiste literally isn't used in Bunker right?
Minus ladder and very rare Bastion situations.
Bunker, for these conversations is typically:
Orisa, Hog, Widow, Hanzo/Pharmercy, Mercy, Ana.
That's it.
Sometimes the Widow can be Sombra.
balmy wolf
goats was already dying as it was
the only legitimate reason that they played goats was bc all the other comps they didnt have much practice on
pearl stratus
It was always going to be a long demise because it was a split timing issue.
balmy wolf
goats wasnt the dominant team comp, it wad just the only team comp practiced
pearl stratus
Invest all time in non-Goats, attempt to split time, or focus only on counters.
balmy wolf
Ah my friend is losing his mind in the 222 role lock on ptr and hates it cause he got 1200 SR on dps and blames match making system
pearl stratus
I mean he shouldn't be taking PTR that seriously.
But that being said, it also sounds like he might have nerve damage.
I placed like 300 SR higher on Support on PTR just because there's less people.
balmy wolf
im gonna call my srs now
4.2 supp 4.1 tank and 4k dps
He’s a console tank main swapping to PC as dps
but if i have to main tank
3k tank lul
And he never transferred the mechanics
Platinum tank main
On console
pearl stratus
Plat on Console is roughly bronze/silver on PC.
balmy wolf
No idea on pc
pearl stratus
So it looks like it transferred fine.
pearl stratus
I have a blank account I may use for placement stuff, I'll miss my 'every skin in the game' but I also wouldn't mind an SR reset.
balmy wolf
@balmy wolf the open pro region
where we can play on older patches
Oooh gotcha
i havent officially been in contenders for a while, just in and out when people need help
little silo
at least we will get to see some of the newer players capabilities on Dps
I will be watching Decay for sure
balmy wolf
Same
forest raven
Decay gonna go off
balmy wolf
Lets see if he was worth what the gladiators paid for him
little silo
he wont be because 300k is an insane amount of money
balmy wolf
Who do you think is the best player then and how much do you think you’d max pay for them
little silo
even the smallest disappointment will make most people question his worth
Max payment is hard because of bidding wars
balmy wolf
I’m asking you as an individual
little silo
i wouldnt go over 200k for any player rn
since the League is still in early development
That amount will probably rise in the next few years though
as for what player... probably Twilight
balmy wolf
I think I’d go for 300K for Jjonak period and or Sinatraa during goats meta
little silo
Jonak is probably worth more just because of his mvp status
balmy wolf
I hear roughly over 100K
Janus isnt good period in OWL
Like every individual player
little silo
Janus has an aggressive style but Justice cant support it
Hes not good but there are worse tanks rn
little silo
stat wise on Rein yes
But thats mainly because of how dysfunctional the Justice are
Hes not Top 10
But also not the worst main tank for me
forest raven
If a team is playing poorly it's the main tank that's gonna suffer the most in the stats
little silo
Janus cant engage with bubble because Corey cant bubble properly
balmy wolf
But isnt the game and team also most reliant on the main tank to do their job?
little silo
Justice are also passive so his damage is low
well he cant be last in every stat
Earthshatter efficiency should be okay
balmy wolf
Who then would you say is the worst main tank
little silo
Swon
balmy wolf
Didnt he get replaced?
little silo
yes
He was a big part of Mayhem having the worst tankline in the League
Also the Paris main tanks both havent shown me anything impressive
And if we count NoSmite then he is also worse
balmy wolf
Ben best did not have an impressive showing at the world cup so i have no idea
little silo
NoSmite is a 2way now though
balmy wolf
How he got picked up
little silo
LHCloudy was good in Contenders so I understand that they picked him up
maybe just french bias for Benbest
trim shadow
I forgot nosmite existed
He had like
1 good shatter
Then hangzhou decided guxue was better
And he was
little silo
He had a few on Map 5 in their first game against Valiant
He carried the last map
But otherwise he was garbage
trim shadow
Paris missed out lullsish and ellivote so F for paris
little silo
Its like he didnt have a headset
trim shadow
F for revenge as well
little silo
NoSmite disengaged when GodsB engaged so many times
trim shadow
Cool name
little silo
Revenge is actually fairly talented
little silo
I can see him starting on a different team
trim shadow
Or MS
trim shadow
Damn hes just stuck on the bench
Cause roster lock
And everyone is settling on there FS
little silo
Bebe has the synergy and is really good
also spark definitely have their starting 6 figured out
might play Krystal in 2-2-2 and thats about it
little silo
FS is a hard role to star in
trim shadow
Krystal and adora on dps
trim shadow
Hitscan i think
little silo
GodsB has a pretty good Widow and Krystal is pretty good at projectile so i think they will run that lineup
But they might experiment a bit
balmy wolf
Lot of people are unhappy with the moira change
shes getting more playtime in scrims
but it wont last lol
limber pine
does the 12% ult increase even affect Moira really?
she'll still get her ult really quick
balmy wolf
i mean barely any team fight was decided by coal
balmy wolf
It takes more to build ult charge now
I think u both mean the same thing just worded weirdly is all
limber pine
a 12% increase in the amount of charge required
a 12% decrease in the rate you gain charge
yeah it's odd
balmy wolf
if it normally takes 100 seconds to build ult
now it takes 112 seconds
Like on average or passively
limber pine
Global ultimate cost increased 12%
so the rate that you gain ult charge hasn't changed
limber pine
you just need more charge to get it
feral wing
those two losses philly got in stage 1 against dallas and florida because boombox was too sick to play are really starting to matter now
of course the dallas game could potentially still have been a loss, but definitely not the florida game
if philly won those games, wouldnt they be inside the top 6 now?
feral wing
yeah it makes it more competitive
realistically speaking though, only a couple of those teams outside the top 12 have a chance of getting in
for example Paris
unless the meta goes to dive or something similar with heroes that soon and shadowburn are really good on
but thats unlikely with how strong bunker seems to be
limber pine
I think realistically teams are going to have to get to 14 wins to make top 12
trim shadow
Philly will make it to play ins
limber pine
but even that may not be enough
trim shadow
But carpe wont hard carry to GF this year
Its still gonna take a team effort
Considering theres what
6 9-12 teams?
And philly is at 7?
feral wing
Philly is at 9, but everyone from 6th to 9th have a record of 12-9
trim shadow
We need a standings bot
feral wing
3rd, 4th and 5th all have 1 win increasing records
if you understand what i mean by that
its like a staircase
feral wing
i think there is one but i dont know the commands
trim shadow
We have a scheldue bot
feral wing
i know there is one for schedule
trim shadow
And idk if its update
balmy wolf
goddamn it
trim shadow
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
trim shadow
Ye not updated
balmy wolf
PAR undefined
feral wing
Guangzhou too
trim shadow
All the expansions have no emojis
Think everyone was asking for that back in stage 2
balmy wolf
developed with LOVE
feral wing
yo philly have actually have an easy schedule tbh
have actually have
im tired
lmao
trim shadow
!players Atlantap
somber yewBOT
No such team 'Atlantap', for full teams list please type !teams
feral wing
!players Atlanta
feral wing
idk
philly have 5 very winnable games
they might even make the top 6 if one of the teams from 3rd to 6th fall off a bit
trim shadow
Philly can make the play ins
karmic grotto
offense
trim shadow
But like
feral wing
and shanghai and london are unlucky
trim shadow
I doubt theyll get out of it
karmic grotto
_>
trim shadow
@karmic grotto hurr hurr
feral wing
Philly in a dps meta will be very strong
especially if its the meta from last years playoffs
the only team that could beat them was london but no one could beat london
I honestly think that if London didnt suddenly get good between the gladiators games
Philly would be season 1 champions
trim shadow
Ill correct u
feral wing
what happened to london between those games? they went from getting clapped 3-0 to destroying gladiators 6-0 in 2 first to 3 sets
feral wing
idk
trim shadow
Dudes mediocre on dps and his brig doesnt exist
feral wing
which teams do you think will make playoffs?
balmy wolf
bc he's 17
trim shadow
Vancouver was guranteed top 6 back in week 2 of stage 3
New york and san fran are guranteed top 12
balmy wolf
Spark probably getting in
trim shadow
I dont want my predictions broken so ANY ONE espect washington and florida
Can make playoffs
Washingnton and florida cause there map differntial is in the toilet
jagged crater
watchpoint analysts say every team is going up, but if every team goes up, then every team stays around the same placing 🤔
balmy wolf
Washington gonna skyrocket
jagged crater
bren saying vancouver going up when they already #1
balmy wolf
Philly is gonna flunk and not get to play in their own arena
jagged crater
who's the most beast dps locked behing zarya/brig jail waiting to be unleashed
swift moth
@feral wing London didn’t get better, glads had to put in iremix because fissure was being toxic
feral wing
but iremix was also playing in the set where glads won..
echo quest
@jagged crater Krystal and GodsB
feral wing
Profit
echo quest
Basically every team
jagged crater
they all mechanically nutty, it'll come down to who will synergize best in the new meta
so may the best coaching staff win
drowsy fulcrum
Team USA: has never won a playoff game in OWWC history
Also Team USA: immediately into OWWC
karmic grotto
logic
echo quest
Ez clap
trim shadow
upper hawk
trim shadow
Honestly when your just first met someone its unsual to start with a hug
jagged crater
yes
jagged crater
why
could be a rip ameng, the dps players are nutty
spark has godsb, adora, krystal
chengdu has yxl, jinmu
gz has happy, eileen
these dudes will be unleashed
not sure how i feel about fragi in charge
bischu can speak korean so he has a better chance of integrating
not even his former teammate hotba recognized fragi
could be a case of nero where a non-korean works out , tho not as comm-heavy as a main tank role
this is RISKY business
echo quest
You mean pog for the Chinese players right
molten skiff
With 222, will geguri get more playtime?
molten skiff
Wait whose dva player in dragons
molten skiff
Damn when did envy go to dragons
gaunt acorn
last month
little silo
shanghai will probably just run bunker with youngjin on hog though
trim shadow
I thought that was in game at first
echo quest
Hoping Flow3r can get playtime. Sad to see him washed
trim shadow
Not possible
Pine would get time over him
But pavane has shown to be unpredictable
So disregard what i said
jagged crater
I wish we would've heard harbs screams
balmy wolf
ehttps://twitter.com/LAValiant/status/1152412815774404609?s=19
balmy wolf
holy crap this is big
balmy wolf
thats if they bench their supports which at the moment are top tier
but it be a shame to have a fragger support like him stay on the bench
echo quest
If he had decent gamesense he would have replaced Kariv
tawny sigil
what happening?
trim shadow
So theres a theory
sigma is the omnic at the end of the storms rising event
So for one
One omnic’s hoodie
Theres a upside letter That is greek for sigma
In Numbani
One of the shops
Theres a lower and upper case sigma
In dooms cinematic sigma is on a blimp
Also the omnic in storms rising has weird human like@hands
minor flame
The reason why the CN pro scene is gonna be fucked with 222
is that theyre the region known for unusual comps
and 222 takes almost all of that
tropic herald
Isn’t sigma the backwards e
echo quest
@minor flame except all the Chinese dps are flexible as fuck.
minor flame
wdym
im talking about how CN uses comps like 3-2-1
like im pretty sure the winner of the last OD in CN had only a Brig as its solo healer
trim shadow
Brig is techniccaly a MS now so
minor flame
not this patch
trim shadow
Next patch yea
minor flame
no like
not in recent patches
the OD was somewhat a while ago
and they used a brig as its only healer in one of the comps
echo quest
And?
minor flame
And the CN pro scene is gonna take a hit in creativity
cause of 222
its just gonna be hit bad
echo quest
Are you referring to ambitious immortals?
gaunt acorn
a small price to pay
trim shadow
the creativity was gonna run out at some point...
minor flame
thats a pretty pessimistic take on the CN scene
trim shadow
not rlly
echo quest
@minor flame which team?
minor flame
i cant type their name
its in the dialect
the winners of the season 2 OD
of CN
not the winner
sorry just one of the teams
nLW?
echo quest
Ambitious immortals?
They won OD in s2
They only dropped one map the whole tim
They almost never ran brig
They ran sombra,doom,genji,zarya,Ana and zen
minor flame
the 2nd season of 2019 CN OD
echo quest
Ah
pearl stratus
@balmy wolf Expect BluHAS to coach his transcendence usage like a real coach, then you'll see a rotation.
Izayaki on Zen, Luffy on Ana.
trim shadow
Oh wait u rite
If he just turned 18 then yea
Hell be a off season signing
Unless fusion gave him a contract pre Turning 18
trim shadow
Not confirmed
But a thing philly would do
Also considering they just signed kyb
So they could be going. For a new look
Also alot or contrarcts are expering
So expect ALOT of roster swaps
pearl stratus
They'd also move Elk.
pearl stratus
So you'd most likely see: Sado, Poko, Neptuno and Boombox all benched.
karmic grotto
hidden vault
Sell sado off
hidden vault
Maybe to Washington
trim shadow
Players will@get PAID
pearl stratus
Don't @ me but I don't think people will get paid till Season 4.
Reason being if I'm an investor, if I'm trying to spend money intelligently, get the best.
I wait till Season 3 is over.
Because Season 3 has the most stress variables on players, and we'll learn quickly who can maintain it and who can't.
Once you know people can handle the travel etc without breaking down/quitting - then I invest heavily into them.
echo quest
@karmic grotto carpe isn’t going anywhere omegalul
cedar drum
Alarm turned 18 today
There are going to be bids of this boi that will outweigh the total Washington Justice's salary.
karmic grotto
Carpe to mayhem plz
echo quest
Mayhem can’t afford carpe
feral wing
Alarm will just get moved up to philadelphia fusion
Philly wont trade Carpe or sell him. It just wont happen
scarlet geyser
Philly should try and pick up a new main tank
I sorta wanna see fragi with carpe in philly
feral wing
fragi just got traded to guangzhou though
scarlet geyser
true
tropic herald
Carpe didn’t like Fragi
feral wing
how can one not like fragi
tropic herald
He feeds on anything other than Rein, and Carpe wanted a Korean tank
scarlet geyser
lol bumper to philly
feral wing
i would prefer philly playing sado
tropic herald
I’m not saying I don’t like Fragi but there is better choices
scarlet geyser
true
scarlet geyser
but they need a better main tank
echo quest
Called changsik
echo quest
FU
tropic herald
FUNI would probably beat Philly in a match
tropic herald
Yea
scarlet geyser
yeah
echo quest
In dps they would lose
tropic herald
Double sniper wouldn’t be close at all
scarlet geyser
cos carpe a god
echo quest
Eqo and Carpe > Nai1st and Snillo
scarlet geyser
I dunno bout Eqo in bunker