i'll finally be able to possibly attend a match
#esports-discussion
severe junco
upper niche
Both times I've been in LA the last two years I've missed OWL/OWC matches by like a day.
severe junco
"Boston, London, New York, Paris, Toronto"
balmy wolf
Not a fan of the division
severe junco
balmy wolf
London and new york are gonna be the only close ones
The southern one is ass
East looks interesting at least
And west is just mostly upper echelon teams
severe junco
south division pepega division and toronto's legit can only beat like boston and paris
balmy wolf
London and new york are gonna beat all of them and then eachother
upper niche
Yikes. So that's at least 8 weekends a bunch of teams will be in China.
balmy wolf
What would the player roster change ups be? Cause I expect a lot of western players on charge are gonna want out unless they actively are willing to essentially live in china
upper niche
So with 52 events, that's an average of 5-6 matches per event.
So probably 4 teams each for most, including the home team.
severe junco
i think honestly, they're gonna do each set of homestands per division
balmy wolf
The south division looks fucking ass
severe junco
so we'll get all of south homestands in a row etc
upper niche
commercially that wouldn't be good for the league.
You don't go putting all your events on in the same area or you end up cannibalising the market/attendance for those events. Look at the Formula 1 calendar as an example - what they'll do is do 2-3 events close by, then go away, then do another 2-3 in that area later on rather than all of them together.
severe junco
either that or they'll rotate divisions
pearl stratus
At least, based through the article, they put a lot of thought into it no matter what. That's not just slapped together.
Oh thank god, stages are gone.
trim shadow
wait hold up i thought everything would be revealed in the stage 4 post show
but two homestands per week is a smart move
280 games tho?..how does that work
lemme read the article
i was kinda hoping the blizz arena would be used for stage playoffs
also the west division IS STACKED
outside of dallas
valiant gladiators shock and titans
balmy wolf
South is pathetic
trim shadow
in a 222 on paper philly and atlanta dominates
so to summarize theese articles
there will be 2 homestands everyweek
no stages so a nfl full seaosn
or nba style season
bye weeks for teams
and a end of season tournament
so like..i wonder if theyll multiple analyst
and hire actuall professions instead of the meme team that is our current desk
im sure wolf and achilios will be happy to casting back in korea
balmy wolf
Probs will
Be really weird if u play in china and you speak english
Watching all the games for tokens will be a bitch tho
trim shadow
im really curious as to how it will be streamed
will they like have a overwatch 1 and a overwatch 2 twitch channel
thats gonna be a bitch to keep up with
i wonder if teams/players are going to start moving to there home cities in october
pearl stratus
I think its going to be a lot of vod stuff, since I've been saying the league has been pushing away from holding just twitch live viewer counts as a thing
Or they'll start counting some stuff as 'live' when its first broadcast in a region.
trim shadow
gonna be hell waking up at 4 am to see hangzhou play chengdu
i wonder how trades will be effected
trim shadow
like 2 way trades..or cross continent trades
2 way players*
also free agency in the off season is gonna be INTENSE
im predicting kaiser for seoul
theres no other KR MT thats at his level
hidden vault
4am hangzhou vs chengdu for you
4am london vs new york for someone else
It is fair
Everyone gets to wake up at 4am
karmic grotto
52 hosted games?
karmic grotto
haven't you read the full article?
The 2020 season will begin in February next year and conclude in August. Teams will play 28 matches over the course of the regular season, facing in-conference opponents twice each and out-of-conference teams once each. All regular-season matches will be played on weekends, with times optimized for local markets.
karmic grotto
Paris too far for me to attend
Closest would be London
that means the team houses will be in their home based cities?
Seems like Blizzard is going further than other esports with these things
pearl stratus
Not confirmed, they mentioned lots of teams were planning that though.
karmic grotto
But would be nice
pearl stratus
Since basically every team gets a bye week every 3 weeks.
karmic grotto
Gives the feeling of a home
pearl stratus
So they run on two weeks on one week off.
Which should help.
the removal of stage bullshit helps open that up a lot.
limber pine
nothing
pearl stratus
Nothing. Stage finals was always a fan service that disrupted things.
They'll have playoffs like any other sport, at the end of the season.
karmic grotto
Ah
pearl stratus
And a long break for all stars in the middle of the season.
pearl stratus
Yeah, but it disrupted a lot and added a lot of confusion to it
Confusion and whining - easy stages etc.
pearl stratus
I mean stuff like that will still happen.
It just won't impact a 7 game stage.
Since its for the entire season.
"Double header" type situations, for lack of a better term, are efficient ways to deal with games of longer distances.
karmic grotto
You know, it's nice to know that OWL will have this. Basically Blizzard is ahead about having home games, city based. The idea was 2 years ago, or a year, and it's now made reality. And as we know, home based games with thousands of people watching, amazing
But
There's a problem
Contenders isn't being treated the same, and that's disappointing
Blizzard either focuses on OWL, or it has to take measures to balance it out
sadly, it's the former
So unless Academy teams also get houses (and I know some have)
pearl stratus
Contenders isn't worth wiping its ass with monetary wise, so to devote millions into it doesn't work.
karmic grotto
Don't need millions, but at least make it visible for people
pearl stratus
And thats entirely based on the viewers.
Contenders issues are 20000320492934281248% the viewers fault.
Because no one watches it.
Contenders viewership can't even compete with mediocre streamers.
karmic grotto
People like watching streamers more than actual pro matches
pearl stratus
If you don't support something you can't cry about it. All I'm saying.
karmic grotto
Guess they think Contenders is inferior to OWL (which kinda is..)
pearl stratus
If Contenders viewership even managed to break 20k it'd be able to manage itself better with ads, etc.
pearl stratus
Yes there is.
As confirmed way the fuck forever ago
There is no new teams next year.
Not during a transitional period.
karmic grotto
2021
pearl stratus
They'll reopen to new teams in 2021 when this stuff is all worked out.
Too much to put on a new org and fix stuff at the same time, imo. It's a smart move.
worn falcon
Yeah, i can see it, testing the waters for 2021.
trim shadow
another KR team is gonna be 100% needed in 2021
pearl stratus
They'll need to add teams in groups of 4, ideally.
One per division when possible.
karmic grotto
Aren't they afraid of losses?
limber pine
monetary losses?
pearl stratus
The tokens aren't worth anything anyway.
hidden vault
Maybe 1 for an hour
pearl stratus
Who doesn't have like 800 just sitting there doing nothing.
karmic grotto
@limber pine yes
They're pumping money to OWL
how will they earn it back and make profit
pearl stratus
I'm sure they are, but adding in new teams just gives one time influxes while expanding their upkeep at the same time.
One of the things I don't think most people are thinking of, and I was, is that so far we know OWL has done great with sponsors.
In the US.
Four divisions opens up global sponsorship.
So they should see an influx of cash from that pretty quickly.
karmic grotto
You're correct
trim shadow
im gonna assume that threwout there the year blizz will be contacting orgs and given them help to get set up for the year
worn falcon
Yup, imagine getting sponsorship from Korea, from China, etc
pearl stratus
Also orgs will pick up more sponsorship too.
Which means orgs can recycle money faster into the league.
trim shadow
the home markets are gonna be a big ol boos in revenue for Blizzard
karmic grotto
Because I forgot, sponsors mean you get money or things from brands so you don't need to do it all yourself
trim shadow
just because its now easier to attract fans
and like endo said sponsorships
like billibilli
mercedes
karmic grotto
Spark?
pearl stratus
Yeah, economically the league has worked really intelligently for their money.
karmic grotto
Apple with its OWL team
trim shadow
etc
karmic grotto
xD
trim shadow
i doubt apple will sponsor
pearl stratus
A lot of it is influxes and sponsors which is basically 'free' money.
trim shadow
pete is probably working overtime
pearl stratus
If they handle that well globally I think they'll be able to maintain at least net neutral or close to it.
You go into something like this assuming to lose money for the first few years though, thats just kind of a given.
It's like opening a restaurant - you kind of expect losses for the first year or two.
worn falcon
yep, like any investment
pearl stratus
So as long as they're staying within reason, which it looks like they are they should be fine.
limber pine
Blizz even told the teams that revenue sharing wouldn't start until 2021 I think
If I'm remembering that correctly
so everybody knew it would be a WIP
pearl stratus
That sounds about right. I think it was post 3 years.
trim shadow
so would teams have to find there own way to produce revenue for the team
like jersey sells merch and fan events?
pearl stratus
It's why you see smart teams picking up their sponsors and investments early.
limber pine
and non-smart teams not
trim shadow
F for florida no sponsor
by what you said philly and boston are set
n shanghai cause netease is worth BILLIONS
and sponsors all over china will come flocking to shanghai
since out of the 4 its the most brandable brand?
karmic grotto
Chinese teams have big moneys
pearl stratus
Shanghai and Spark are both really easily branded, and Spark has Chinese talent and Chengdu has MY.
And MY was beloved in China.
I don't forsee any of the chinese teams to have issues with sponsorship at all honestly.
karmic grotto
Florida though...
pearl stratus
Florida can pick up Chuck E. Cheese.
worn falcon
or McDonalds
pearl stratus
Florida might have trouble since they took a very long time to establish any form of identity and were mismanaged, but at the end of the day they can pick up stuff thats in that area.
Things like Publix, etc.
Like Houston did with that Texas based grocery store.
It might not be the biggest investment
But its a good community tie
karmic grotto
trim shadow
i think dallas is also having 5 homestands
i think the only thing florida has a adventage on
is there location
miami
a hot spot for buisness
pearl stratus
They're probably assigning them based on whats available.
Dallas has that giant new arena.
It'd be dumb not to take advantage of it
Philly probably has 5 too, if they finish building their monstrosity on time.
trim shadow
philly's stadium started work around what march?
i think philly is one of the teams getting 5 as well
seoul maybe
but i guess it depends on what stadium will play in
the leauge of legends stadium maybe
or if theyre building a ground up one
karmic grotto
"League of Legends" stadium
trim shadow
i dont know its exact name lol
but its where the KR leauge teams play
but i doubt itll happen considering leauge plays the same time owl does
i wonder if new york will do the new jersey think where they have a stadium outside of new york but represent new york
limber pine
are there smaller 2k-4k venues in New York?
trim shadow
new york is like one of if not the most expensive city to live in
so a venue is probably expensive
tropic herald
NY is pretty expensive
upper hawk
Having lived there, space and politics always effects stadiums
balmy wolf
Christ what time would the games be cause time zone wise that makes it difficult
pearl stratus
Local.
All stuff is set for local times for their respective markets.
So for instance if China starts games at 4pm that'd be at 4am in the US. But at the same time there's going to be some US games going too.
At least from how I interpreted the article.
balmy wolf
Okay so from a US perspective
tropic herald
Well time zones are gonna suck considering this game is international
balmy wolf
We got three time zones and would that be for most if not all the games minus the paris and london ones right?
Crap wait
How many US teams are there and how many international
North american not Us mb
tropic herald
7 teams aren’t NA
upper hawk
So yeah the Chinese teams and Seoul
balmy wolf
Okay so out of 20, 7 are gonna gonna hellish times by US standards
echo quest
London and Paris too
tropic herald
Total of 7
echo quest
Pretty sure they will need overlapping games
tropic herald
4 from China, Seoul, London and Paris
upper hawk
And it said theyre doing 2-5 homestands per team?
Thats a large chunk of games
But it has to be accessible globally to make it fair
Id be pissed as a fan of a european or asian team to rarely get to watch it live
trim shadow
why would you be pissed to see asian teams play at your team?
upper hawk
I mean the people living overseas having to watch in US time zones
balmy wolf
I would say cater to the audience but I’m not sure how many chinese ppl even care given china’s spotty history with esports and the orgs. I remember a friend ranted to me about how china fucked the dota2 scene up or so
trim shadow
im more concerened about how china wll accept overwatch
rememer china put a ban on alot of games for to much gore or explicity content
trim shadow
or like
balmy wolf
It has like 2 gay characters
balmy wolf
No they really wouldn’t
balmy wolf
2 playable characters that are gay in a roster of 30 is not virtue signaling anything especially when their sexuality is only briefly shown or mentioned
worn falcon
Yeah, OW will be fine on China
upper hawk
I mean its a great thing to have representation of yourself in a game
limber pine
Rusha
upper hawk
But i think most ppl dont give af about who each char would sleep with
balmy wolf
The fact you are headcanoning stuff that has no place in actual lore because you think a hispanic guy and a white dude who were former friends turned enemies is a bit odd
trim shadow
imagine think ow has lore at this point
balmy wolf
Yes. I am actively eating it up and helping find bits and pieces to figure out the narrative. And literally only two of the playable characters are gay.
There is nothing else going on there. That you are apparently worried about
trim shadow
not rlly worried about
but was annoyed by its sudden expectency
like it just showed up with no context
upper hawk
If Blizz actually pulls the trigger on OW2 then hopefully its a story game that expands the lore significantly
balmy wolf
My bigger concern is if crazy la valiant lady is gonna show up at all. I am sorry that gay people exist without meeting your expectations of what gay people are without prior notice. The entire lgbt community apologizes that they didn’t give you a heads up
trim shadow
lady with the purple lipstick who was making the most fakest facial expression ive ever seen
sounds like i struck a vein
nice
balmy wolf
Just annoyed that you think ppl have to behave in a stereotype for them to exist.
They’re trying to normalize it so ppl dont freak out if ppl being gay or not is an issue. I get the intent and commend them for it
echo quest
Sucks if you support a team that isn’t in NA. The time zones yikes
trim shadow
dont rlly care about the degenerates that call themselves lgbtqabcadeaziopas2469420 
its just the way blizzard does lore pisses me off As a english major and a aspiring author i get triggered about incosistnies in stories
which is why i stay away from TV
pearl stratus
As a side note.
balmy wolf
There’s been one solid retcon and minor corrections due to multiple writers on their team. If you are writing a black dude and you only have him show up eating watermelon and fried chicken and sounding entirely uneducated, thats not good writing. That’s bias and racial profiling. Sexuality is even harder because not everyone is a high pitched dude wearing make up going “hey sisters!” Or a biker chick with short hair who works out.
pearl stratus
The china thing was already decided years ago.
the only thing they disliked were the lootboxes.
And China has its own lootbox system.
Everything else is 👍
balmy wolf
How does china lootbox work
pearl stratus
The same as ours basically.
trim shadow
i mean...yea ppl buy them but blizz lootboxes arent that scammy
pearl stratus
But you pay for gold.
And get "bonus" lootboxes.
So like...
$40 is 300 gold coins, and you get a bonus 50 lootboxes.
So you're not paying for the lootboxes.
Thus it violates no law.
trim shadow
so more value for your buck
pearl stratus
Not really, I mean 300 coins is a third of a skin.
Technically yes, but only by the smallest margin.
upper hawk
Have they added playtime limits? Ive seen a few chinese games that have it because of their anti game addiction movement
pearl stratus
No, that tends to get restricted to MMO's for them/Korea from what I've seen.
upper hawk
Ahh ok
balmy wolf
Did they ever say how the changes would be for league token cause i imagine it would be different
pearl stratus
They've been doing age locks lately though.
So like PubG Asia got purged of everyone under 13.
So if you're 12 you can only play for [x] hours, unless your parents sign you in.
trim shadow
so cn/asia games would less toxic huh
upper hawk
I guess i could see why for mmos. Most of them are really a life commitment if you want to be near the top
pearl stratus
Nah, same toxicity. Thats just people and anonymity.
If anything you'd need the Korean system where all your ID's are tied to your SSN to really fight toxicity.
balmy wolf
Is it true if someone mentions tiannamom square in china servers they shut down the internet or something
pearl stratus
There are blocked things, yes. But I think thats a gross overexaggeration. But I don't know, I don't live in china.
trim shadow
guess well have to ask guxue what living in china is like
china keeps close tabs on everything Regarding there citiznes
cough 2 child birth rule
upper hawk
Lul
pearl stratus
You know, I really hope Gamsu gets the Hawelka Award this year. I can't think of anyone else doing much other than... honestly Jake.
upper hawk
i lived in Germany for 3 yrs and they did a similar thing with Hitler videos
A large portion are blocked on youtube
pearl stratus
Since Jake and I think Rawkus did that huge charity stream for a few days over the all star break.
trim shadow
i kinda hate sensoring things
but i can understand why censor things
like tiammenian or hitler videos murder videos etc
balmy wolf
I mean tiannamon square is literally a major dark point at the chinese government
No one knows what happened to that dude
karmic grotto
uhm
balmy wolf
Lots of stuff they do is known but that is probably the biggest thing people know of
karmic grotto
isn't this esports discussion?
upper hawk
Whats the biggest genre of game there?
echo quest
Idk but league is the most played game there
balmy wolf
Whichever the chinese government wants. They kinda have a stranglehold on everything there. But if I had to guess, pubg or league
League is played everywhere
upper hawk
Man the battle royale games
I played fornite when it first was released on the ps store and i played a few rounds and was like..."man this sucks, no one will want to play this"
Fast forward: ONE OF LARGEST GAMES ON EARTH
limber pine
pubg is really popular in china
balmy wolf
Cause they work their dev team like slaves to pump out new content and when it had a hint of dying off they did a marvel tie in and just hyper charged it all over again
And now they are just pumping money into it with streamers that appeal to kids cause the game is bright and colorful
pearl stratus
I admit no matter how much I personally hate Fortnite I respect the skill cap on high level building. I also think its the dumbest system ever, but I respect it.
upper hawk
I mean it worked
It is pretty impressive
When it first came out there was nothing to it. You played a round and went back to main menu. Probably why i hated it
karmic grotto
@pearl stratus it works
balmy wolf
Truth be told
balmy wolf
I think the one thing that holds overwatch back a lot
tropic herald
It’s shotgun battles
balmy wolf
In the esports scene is that it’s not free to play
pearl stratus
Yeah it definitely works, I just think its a stupid system for a BR. But it definitely works.
balmy wolf
But thank god it’s not cause if it was I would lose my mind with how toxic it would be
pearl stratus
Yeah free to play fucks up as much stuff as it fixes.
little silo
Custa is a great candidate for Dennis Hawelka award. He collected a ton of money for St Jude
tropic herald
A few of the analysts and casters have already talked about how they want to pick Gamsu
pearl stratus
I like what Gamsu does for interleague with his father son hikes with people.
Being toxic? Gamsu's taking you on a hike to talk about family value and help you get your life right.
tropic herald
And uni
tropic herald
His dog?
echo quest
@pearl stratus unfortunately didn’t help haksal. He started cussing at Space,Hydration and Sinatraa lmao
pearl stratus
Lmao I know. I don't know if he actually sets them straight.
That's just such a boss way to deal with it.
pearl stratus
You were being toxic to me, I wish you good luck in your matches and will bring you hiking so we can become friends.
tropic herald
Isn’t haksal like 18 or 19?
pearl stratus
Btw. Fuck you in Stage 3.
balmy wolf
Is that really what he said?
pearl stratus
In a tl;dr, yes.
balmy wolf
That is phenomenal
pearl stratus
Haksal was being really toxic to him and... I think Diem, when they were on alt accounts.
balmy wolf
Much more respect for the dude
pearl stratus
At the end he told him who he was, wished him luck in his next game, then brought the kid hiking.
pearl stratus
Gamsu is 100% one of the only adults in OWL.
balmy wolf
Gengo mains be like that
tropic herald
Gamsu is full on my favorite person rn
balmy wolf
Nope. All i knew of gamsu was he was on boston and then moved to shanghai in a late stage 1 trade off
tropic herald
I love his dog
karmic grotto
@tropic herald i love dogs too
tropic herald
I’m getting like all of the Shanghai skins bc all of their players are amazing
echo quest
Haksal has been toxic forever it’s not something new unfortunately. When he isn’t streaming and doesn’t recognize anyone on his team. He gets tilted than starts becoming toxic
balmy wolf
It’s from haikyuu
balmy wolf
Kuro was the cat team’s leader
pearl stratus
Haikyuu is a legit weird anime because its entertaining af volleyball. That and Eyeshield 21. I don't even really go for anime that much but those two just work for me for some reason.
karmic grotto
Well
They hyped up volleyball alot even though I dont play it
I guess story development works alot
balmy wolf
My guess is cause it has that team wholesome comradery with pure love for a sport with characters that feel almost real
limber pine
tropic herald
These new divisions
Are literally what I was talking about heatserday
Yesterday
Rip Fuel
Pacific West is stacked
little silo
they cant 3stack in general
tropic herald
That’s been a thing for a while
echo quest
Can’t they just go on unknown accounts or will blizzard know?
tropic herald
You can only duo and solo in GM
pearl stratus
I mean Fuel has been rip for a long time, brackets won't change that.
Mismanaged org is mismanaged, still.
little silo
time to try Lucioball i guess
echo quest
Doesn’t summer games start August 5th?
balmy wolf
Jeff said theyd do it earlier this year and do the hero release later
So hero in auagust instead of july
tawny sigil
shanghai wins stage 3 and their youtube channel goes silent
hidden osprey
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
upper hawk
Fk dude idk how GLA is gonna hold on for the playoffs
Such a rough schedule and the other teams around them have gotten way better
Gladiators are probably border line tier 3 rn based on last stage
upper hawk
Agilities too
echo quest
Note didn’t try out I think
upper hawk
Im sure agilities and s4 are locks
balmy wolf
I dont think he would miss it tho
Like genuinely i dont see note skipping out when his nation needs him
echo quest
Crimzo is a lock
balmy wolf
Team south korea gonna be stacked again this year
Gamsu or mano for main tank
Fury and or jjanu or seominsoo for off tank
Jjonak or twilight for flex support
upper hawk
Thats scary man
balmy wolf
Diem probably for widow or whatever they want.
Cause I see no need for carpe if you know Diem is better
balmy wolf
Especially if they pick up zacharee again
echo quest
China is second
upper hawk
God zach sucks
echo quest
It’s not close either
echo quest
Korea could make many rosters that would win
upper hawk
And his bombs are so sneaky. But thats not as useful except for zoning on that stage
echo quest
They could take contender players and win ez clap
balmy wolf
Sorry assuming that we are still playing what we are with the weird triple dps and or goats swap out then maybe since he still is truly a nutty zarya
upper hawk
Space is probably the best US dva youll find so add him too
Idk who would fill the rest at all
Its not a terrible group at all but compared to korea its a joke
echo quest
Space is the most resistant to meta change. All his off tanks are top tier
The real question is will USA get out of quarters
upper hawk
They could depending on the match ups
If its anyone besides Korea, China and Canada there is a decent chance
Or wait do they play every team once? Or is it groups
I cant remember how qualifiers go
echo quest
Blase and KSF
balmy wolf
Blase, hydration, danteh, ksf...
Corey
Who plays a god tier hanzo or sniper in general
echo quest
Still chumps compared to SKs and China’s lol
balmy wolf
Oh yea corey
Corey on widow
Corey would be good in a widow centric meta
I don’t think the meta will shift away from bunker so double sniper he would have a chance
balmy wolf
Besides moth
Who would you want as support
Uhhh sleepy or dogman
Truth be told
Id take sleepy
Moth is just of the best main supports in general
Sleepy, moth, super, Space
Tankline is interesting
But super is just obvious now
It is but it’s space or muma
Sorry super or muma
And I’m goin super
Is choi chinese or korean
Kr
Fuck
trim shadow
Choi is definetly getting in
balmy wolf
Koreans have so many good fucking options this world cup
A genuine all star roster
Thats kr for you
Who you taking
Probs can making a roster just out contenders players alone
Mano or Gamsu
Depends on how the season ends
But gamsu mostly
If nenne makes world cup i will be outraged
little silo
mano and gamsu is a hard choice since both are good on all main tanks
Mano is the better Winston and Rein
Gamsu is the better Ball and maybe Orisa
Just comes down to the rest of the roster
balmy wolf
Gamsu also has a great Winston.
karmic grotto
Owl don't have to be in owwc
This is performance based
So if non owl players do better in tryouts
They get selected
Or at least, as a second roster
little silo
why would you pick contenders players over people who perform well and have proven themselves countless times in OWL and have experience against the OWL players on the other teams
balmy wolf
Majority of big name teams will have OWL players with maybe 1 or 2 top contender players
pearl stratus
Wait.
Super isn't obvious at all.
Super can play Rein, and an okay Orisa.
He's a B tier Winston, and C Tier Ball.
If 2-2-2 goes through the better choice reverts back to Muma, who plays a ridiculous Orisa.
In fact I'd be so bold as to say Super barely retains top 3 US tanks if the 2-2-2 goes through
pearl stratus
Last years Muma was due to Zach and Sinatraa more than Muma.
But it was a massively uneducated crowd who didn't understand Goats that caused the current rhetoric.
Smooth brains.
All the smooth brains.
tropic herald
Also why would Mano not get MT for SK?
balmy wolf
Cuz gamsu is good at everything besides maybe his rein
pearl stratus
Mano also might turn it down.
A lot of pros just don't care.
Since OWWC is more about showcasing talent.
And they're already in OWL.
tropic herald
It’s also about representing your Country
pearl stratus
Mostly the former.
I think they should remove OWL players from it, personally. Use it as a big LAN event for up and coming.
tropic herald
It’s a World Cup
pearl stratus
And the Olympics is a world contest. We still exempted NBA players from it for almost 40 years.
balmy wolf
Thats what the gaunlet is for.
tropic herald
Contenders is what up and coming talent gets shown at
pearl stratus
I mean you see how well it works.
Also most people can't even appreciate the game well enough.
pearl stratus
You mean the all chinese squad with no OWL that deep dicked a bunch of "pros"
tropic herald
I don’t care about the average person but Contenders shows scouters the next big talent
pearl stratus
Never heard of em.
little silo
Do you think Guxue would have gotten into OWL without his Wc performamce?
balmy wolf
probs yes
tropic herald
Eventually honestly
tropic herald
Scouters watch Contenders
little silo
yes but he was basically unknown before
balmy wolf
their was a reason why he was chosen for the world cup
little silo
WC is just an extra opportunity to show off your skills
tropic herald
Washington Justice just got a huge upgrade
little silo
Danye got signed because of his WC performance
balmy wolf
I mean what team with sign lullish tho?
tropic herald
If you are playing in Contenders you are likely wanting to be in OwL
balmy wolf
It would be nice to see them become at least mid tier
little silo
Well a lot of teams could use a good main tank
tropic herald
A lot of teams just need to build synergy
trim shadow
@tropic herald u talking about eli and lulsish?
tropic herald
Yea
little silo
most teams had enough time already
pearl stratus
If you haven't built synergy by the third stage you're a fucking joke.
Your entire org is a joke too, by that point.
trim shadow
Pretty much
tropic herald
A lot of teams have still been looking for rosters when they should’ve stuck to one
little silo
should they have stuck to one?
trim shadow
Inb4 janua dropped
tropic herald
Ex: Paris might actually be good if they didn’t swap rosters every stage
pearl stratus
I mean its also a community that probably thinks Ark was an upgrade.
little silo
probably not
tropic herald
Same with Toronto
balmy wolf
Next stage you'll probs see the new tank core with stratus in place of ado next.
little silo
paris swapped rosters because their players sucked at goats and its heroes
trim shadow
Well ark at first was a upgrade
little silo
so they tried to find the best combo and realised all of them sucked
trim shadow
Then he started playing like a bot
echo quest
Gimme Mano over gamsu any day
tropic herald
Ark was good lol
little silo
Justice have a decent support line
echo quest
Only thing gamsu plays better is Hammond
pearl stratus
It just fit with NYXL's style more.
balmy wolf
@echo quest gamsu plays a top tier winston
pearl stratus
You can literally watch any NYXL from Season 1 where they played Janus
tropic herald
Okay but Mano
pearl stratus
And have realized "Oh shit, this is a bad idea."
little silo
yeah i hated it when they subbed him in
tropic herald
Like Gamsu don’t get me wrong I love him but Mano is amazing
little silo
i dont remember a single highlight from him
pearl stratus
I don't even mean for Janus alone.
I mean for Janus aggressive + Ark passive.
It's oil and water.
echo quest
KR can make a roster with contenders players and win
little silo
KR could probably win with an OD roster
tropic herald
That’s just KR
echo quest
Just take a couple players from the top teams
little silo
uh
echo quest
@trim shadow sandbagged till the finals and rolled China lmao
trim shadow
df i thought china won
balmy wolf
pffft no
echo quest
Bruh
pearl stratus
In fairness China had literally no prep for SK since they didn't expect to get there.
balmy wolf
they got 4-0
trim shadow
I rember guxue broke his back carrying
pearl stratus
Canada was just such a garbage dog shit team.
little silo
are you kidding
tropic herald
So was USA lol
balmy wolf
if china won then everyone would go batshit crazy
pearl stratus
Yeah but China didn't play them.
So bringing them in is pointless as fuck
Since we're talking about China.
trim shadow
China this year should win
tropic herald
US only prepared for Korea
pearl stratus
Stay on topic smoothbrain.
trim shadow
BEING HONEST
echo quest
@trim shadow no they won’t
pearl stratus
China -could- win.
balmy wolf
SK has plot armor
pearl stratus
But most likely will not.
echo quest
Definitely
little silo
Idk about Jinmu
tropic herald
But KR
pearl stratus
Jinmu is fine if you keep him with Yveltal.
echo quest
Jinmu 7th
little silo
Also what about krystal
pearl stratus
Krystal is based on what other DPS you brain.
little silo
Krystal over YXL
pearl stratus
God no.
echo quest
Also Kyo no
pearl stratus
Krystal is good, but Krystals Widow is trash compared to YXL.
echo quest
Gimme Coldest
echo quest
@pearl stratus RUI said YXL won’t be on the team
balmy wolf
Leave just plays everything
trim shadow
Yxl>krystal
echo quest
Jiqiren won’t be considered either
trim shadow
Any day
echo quest
YXL is aim no brain
little silo
Jiqiren cant compare to Guxue
pearl stratus
Assuming its going to be an Orisa meta, thats not a bad call.
You bring Guxue and maybe Ameng.
little silo
is guxue that bad at orisa?
pearl stratus
No.
little silo
i didnt know that
tropic herald
Ameng is a chad
pearl stratus
Ameng was the two trick tank.
little silo
too bad his Winston is terrible
pearl stratus
Basically could only play Ball + Orisa.
Now has a serviceable Rein, still no Winston.
But
You have Guxue.
echo quest
His offtank ran winston in CN contenders lmao
pearl stratus
So you don't need him to have one.
Guxue being, pretty fairly, the best Winston in the world currently.
little silo
agreed
balmy wolf
primal blades
balmy wolf
seriously how in hell does he get so much value out of a primal rage?
pearl stratus
KR dicks aren't that big but you suck them real hard 😉
Just raw mechanical skill, honestly.
little silo
guxue practised primal rage for a very long time
pearl stratus
His ability to navigate s jumps is ridiculous.
little silo
he knows the timing, knows the knockback range, he knows all about the ult
pearl stratus
Not even the range, the positioning. No one ever leaves his general trajectory. It's kind of gross.
echo quest
Korea 3x OWWC incoming
balmy wolf
4x
pearl stratus
asdfghjkl;'
little silo
theres a clip where guxue juggles an ulting Zen so hard that he cant run away
pearl stratus
I mean he averages 2-3 kills per Primal. No one else really touches that.
balmy wolf
there was a of clip in of him putting a bubble to block trans, it was so hard to see that I didn't notice until I checked the replay
echo quest
He did that several times
little silo
The split on BigGoose yes
echo quest
In the OWWC
little silo
the Jayne clip that everyone saw
pearl stratus
Thats honestly pretty normal on most Winstons, tbf.
It's like using it to zone out a kill target from an Ana healer.
little silo
Blocking LoS for support ults is normal for shield tanks and even zaryas
balmy wolf
Then there's leave who just went super sayian on doom
pearl stratus
Leave fucked Canada so hard Jayne felt it and cried on twitter 😛
balmy wolf
Leave flex god
pearl stratus
And since Jayne deleted his twitter I can't find it anymore. Rip.
Wait no
There it is
Twitter
balmy wolf
Wait did they really shorten the comp season to like 20 days or something?
trim shadow
What did leave doo
balmy wolf
Destroy canada on doom
little silo
Leave fucked thats what
little silo
is sparkle 18 by that time
echo quest
Fuck
balmy wolf
mag can't play either
echo quest
Well my whole roster won’t turn 18 besides alarm and Leejaegon
pearl stratus
Btw if people didn't see Rui explained on the YXL/Diya thing.
He's not bringing any non-flex dps.
little silo
RUI roasted YXLs Sombra thats all I remember
pearl stratus
Well yeah, he did that too but he's only bringing flex DPS with the tentative roster because there's no clue what the meta is going to be.
And hitscan are limited in their pool typically.
little silo
RUI wants all of the Hunters to be flexible and it seems to work
balmy wolf
I mean having flex dps on your team for the most part is better than having specialists
echo quest
So Krystal and Leave
echo quest
The 18 Year old rule is dumb
pearl stratus
It's a show off for OWL teams.
People need to get that through their smooth brains.
No point in showing them off if you can't sign em.
balmy wolf
It is dumb but blizzard doesn't want to deal with legal stuff involving players being underage
pearl stratus
It's literally 99% for the reason I said.
Locking down people 2-3 years early is pointless.
Look at... what was that kid that Envy tried to sign
Zerg.
echo quest
He didn’t even play
pearl stratus
Who quit to play Fortnite because 14 year old kids have the attention span of nothing
balmy wolf
Zerg was on FUNI
pearl stratus
Right, he was whatever.
He quit almost instantly.
No matter how good someone is at 14 or 15 they're still useless af.
echo quest
^
little silo
not sure why they signed a 14 year old
pearl stratus
When you can only get into the OWWC at 18 its basically saying:
echo quest
He playes Apex now
pearl stratus
"Do good here and you can be signed tomorrow."
echo quest
I’m just saying 16-18 should be allowed
little silo
16 is too low
pearl stratus
Because you have two years to quit, change your mind, get injured, get worse.
echo quest
17 is the minimum than
pearl stratus
No point in watching you play.
Like I said, and know most people disagree with, I think OWWC should be 18+ and no OWL players.
little silo
that would be great but how would you get viewers
pearl stratus
I don't think viewership would change honestly.
People still want to support their countries.
It's still a huge event AT Blizzard.
That kind of stuff draws people naturally.
balmy wolf
Wouldn't that be just the contenders gauntlet but without the underage players.
pearl stratus
No, because contenders regions are shit.
little silo
Contenders gauntlet will still be fun though
pearl stratus
Minus KR each region has maybe 1-2 teams worth a damn.
pearl stratus
Too much talent gets split up, this is till the 'best of [x] country' with its stipulations
little silo
the only ones who might have a chance is Team envy
pearl stratus
The only region that would be the same is Brazil.
Because its basically Brazil Gaming House.,
echo quest
@little silo against who?
pearl stratus
Remember the regions are so disjointed an NA team left to Korea to get better matches 😛
After winning the gauntlet pretty easily.
little silo
NA had 4 because they have 2 regions
balmy wolf
atlantic showdown not gauntlet
pearl stratus
Right right, whatever. Still you had your best team leave your region because its too easy.
echo quest
Envy will get smacked by the Korean teams
little silo
probably
pearl stratus
Current Envy has a better chance honestly.
They picked up a better tank than the one they lost.
little silo
but they have a better chance than the rest
pearl stratus
100%.
balmy wolf
Envy has been smoking contenders
little silo
who did envy pick up
balmy wolf
numlocked
pearl stratus
Numlocked is 100% better than Lullsish.
little silo
Oh then yes
echo quest
Erm did they reduce the season?
little silo
did they sign a new flex tank yet
echo quest
I swear it didn’t end in 27 days
echo quest
2-2-2 time
little silo
Mouffin was a sub if you mean him
balmy wolf
Think it was him
pearl stratus
Yeah he was a sub, did well. Basically his trial, if they want it to be
echo quest
Also can we get an F for the fuel next year
little silo
Glads might get clapped too if Valiant dont fall apart again
pearl stratus
I want to say F for them, but at the same time if they had their shit together they could be competitive.
They just..
Don't.
They have talent on their roster, they just don't utilize it well at all.
little silo
Who needs talent when you have Zacharee
echo quest
Didn’t FU go to Korea to dodge the import shit?
pearl stratus
They didn't want to break up their roster and NA as a region is shit for development.
balmy wolf
I think their 1-2 rn
pearl stratus
Yeah, they're actually being challenged hard in Korea.
Going to make much better players out of them
little silo
yeah FU went to map 5 in every game
balmy wolf
^
little silo
Lost to RA and O2Blast
echo quest
Which is completely fine
balmy wolf
02 blast looking like the best contenders team rn
pearl stratus
O2 blast is like..
little silo
They should have won against 02 but fucked it up
balmy wolf
02 destroyed element mystic
little silo
I wonder what team will pick up Myunbong
balmy wolf
I want a team to pick up kasier
pearl stratus
Kaiser is so 50/50.
Because he's a strong Rein.
But he's so... eh at everything else.
It's like Korean Super.
Actually thats not fair.
His Winston is way better than SUpers.
little silo
Myunbong has impressed me and seems like 02s standout player to me so i hope he gets picked up soon
pearl stratus
I always feel bad for Myunbong
Because his liquipedia picture makes him look like an accountant
little silo
youre not wrong
balmy wolf
myunbong is the flex support right?
pearl stratus
That dude fucks with taxes.
little silo
flex support yes
balmy wolf
Dude does not budge against sombras
pearl stratus
Atlanta should go after him, but they'd lose their jersey seller
little silo
their secondary jersey seller
echo quest
Why are all these players so young feelsbadman. If China and Korea had leagues they could go pro at 16 lol
pearl stratus
Remember Patiphan just turned 15 last year for OWWC.
echo quest
Feelsbad
pearl stratus
If he maintains and OWL stays long enough he'll be the first good Thai player in the league.
echo quest
True
balmy wolf
sugarfree got a long way to go
upper hawk
Patiphan was nuts
echo quest
Shy might not play in the World Cup next year lol. Doesn’t turn 18 till October
balmy wolf
I think coldest is gonna turn 18 in time
echo quest
They have Far away too
pearl stratus
Calling it now.
echo quest
What
pearl stratus
Coldest will fall in love with RUI coaching and Rui will try to steal him for Chengdu
echo quest
You think so?
pearl stratus
Kyo is good, Coldest is better.
And Rui has the myth status for Chinese OW players
echo quest
Plus chengdu all speak the same language
He wouldn’t be stuck with just Guxue and Krystal
pearl stratus
Rui coached MY, the dude could have dead bodies under his porch and people wouldn't care.
balmy wolf
I mean leave is just there waiting to turn 18. Which means hunters are gonna be scary as hell next yr
The MY roster is almost complete
little silo
wonder what they will do with Jinmu
pearl stratus
I also wouldn' tbe surprised if we see Creed swap to Chengdu as an assistant coach
echo quest
Does chengdu not have an academy team
trim shadow
I find it hard for someone thats 14-15 to keep loving owl Til there 18 and can make real money
pearl stratus
Also real money is relative.
echo quest
Happens in LoL a lot. A lot of Chinese and Korean pros retire at 20-21 since they started at 16 and got burnt out
pearl stratus
Sugarfree is on an Academy team.
He probably does make real money, just controlled by his parents.
trim shadow
Which sucks
pearl stratus
Arguable.
trim shadow
But no 14 year old knows how to manage money
pearl stratus
It only sucks if the parents are abusing it.
If they're putting it all into a fund for him when he hits 18/goes to college?
That's just smart.
trim shadow
I dont rlly believe in like balling out in clothes
Like 3 t shirts 3 hoodies a pair of shoes im cool
echo quest
Gesture is a gangsta so
little silo
i wonder how much money Sugarfree earns
echo quest
Gotta be fly
trim shadow
Why does someone need 40 pairs of shoes?
little silo
and I wonder how well he does in school at the same time
pearl stratus
My guess is they have him in an online school.
That would make the most sense at least, education wise.
echo quest
Sinatraa dropped out of school
pearl stratus
Since he could cater his schedule around practice/etc.
little silo
i think space said that
pearl stratus
I defense, school isn't for everyone. But I'd at least get my GED.
echo quest
Wait nvm. Sinatraa took online school
pearl stratus
If I could go back I wouldn't have gone to college. I would have done a trade school.
Electricians make crazy money.
echo quest
A lot of Koreans pros drop out of school
pearl stratus
And I wouldn't have left in debt lol