Yeah i think space did hit number 1
#esports-discussion
jagged crater
actually good to see dva not being so dominant anymore
upper niche
Just gonna throw it out there, Custa is practicing Soldier on twitch đ
analog hamlet
I want more genji or tracer
jagged crater
even have players like space benched because dva is relatively weaker in the meta rn
analog hamlet
or even soldier tbh
balmy wolf
Meow sad dive is dead
minor flame
this is the first time dva is not dominant that much
upper hawk
True i miss Tracer
minor flame
in literal years
jagged crater
you see dps players flexing onto dva instead
minor flame
Dva was the Brig of Season 1
north tendon
by the way for the watchpoint tease on thursday
"you dont wanna miss it" https://i.imgur.com/ZWZ8u8l.png
upper hawk
I loved watching Soon on tracer when he was with LAV
north tendon
LOL
minor flame
bruh
jagged crater
oh golly then 222 might be a thing
jagged crater
teams obv alreadyf iknow abot it
tawny sigil
the players already know if its the case
analog hamlet
I mean like I said if 2-2-2 is coming the teams know
jagged crater
just waiting for official announcement
balmy wolf
And saybyeobleâs tracer was insane
split heath
is inb4 no announcement 
upper hawk
ANNOUNCES OW2
minor flame
yall complaining about sombra now but the reason bunker isnt already the dom meta is because sombra exists
jagged crater
there's no balance patch on ptr, so stage 4 would only have that small balance change from stage 3
might even see more orisa?
jagged crater
but otherwise if 222
split heath
So what? You can directly nerf bunker.
balmy wolf
i dont want 2 2 2
split heath
Donât need a sombra to keep the balance
north tendon
IM READY
upper hawk
Ive always thought Orisa was under-utilized
minor flame
just directly nerf bunker lol
jagged crater
im saying there's not other balance changes that can possibly happen for stage 4
upper hawk
Shes effective in more places than ppl think
jagged crater
cept for something like 222
minor flame
Orisa is like Dva
balmy wolf
orisa is dominating in ladder rn
minor flame
except for main tank
upper niche
BTW, I got my OWL Token twitch drops.
jagged crater
orisa is dominating the ladder rn that's a fact
split heath
You think itâs not doable lol
upper hawk
ah im a low sr pleb so idk xD
upper niche
Oh yeah, Orisa is owning ladder, my win rate on Orisa atm is like 62%
jagged crater
in ladder yea
tropic herald
Itâs Horse Meta
jagged crater
OWL and contenders is more mixed
upper niche
It's 72% on Sym though and I'm getting abused like you wouldn't believe.
upper hawk
I pretty much only play dva/zarya
upper hawk
Sym turrets piss me off
upper niche
Sym turrets are made more annoying by the fact that OW does hit notification so poorly :/
tropic herald
222 will be bunker, maybe some dive
upper hawk
I think its the only skill that genuinely frustrates me
jagged crater
has effect been playing?
minor flame
????
balmy wolf
effect retired lol
jagged crater
OW at all
upper niche
So many times you've got one on you and it's like "I can't find the fucking thing!"
jagged crater
oh that's nice to see
balmy wolf
orisa is dominating in ladder bc no one is nearly as coordinated as the pro teams in walking past the shield/damage mitigation
tropic herald
^
balmy wolf
bunker has a very healthy amount of counter-playstyles
north tendon
yeah I remember that moment when a team went bunker on nepal and it instantly got dived and dismantled
balmy wolf
either in spam, emp, counter-bunker, rotations, etc
upper niche
It doens't help that Orisa is 'fun' for people to play over RH because they can have this giant personal shield (forget their teammates) and still shoot.
With Rein, it's either/or.
upper hawk
Beat dmg and shields WITH MOAR DMG AND SHIELDS
Rein is so dependent on your healers if youre gonna be fine
split heath
Isnât the comps we see in the first map of stage 3 finals gonna be meta?
north tendon
really? I find her boring as hell
rare magnet
does dding have twitch what is it
north tendon
then again rein is my fav
split heath
That counts as bunker?
upper niche
I've been playing a lot of games lately where I'll get Sym ult in <30 seconds, so at times we don't even run a shield - just run Sym ult every 30 seconds heh.
north beacon
Someone was saying Danny mistranslated Diem yest. He actually said shock have a 0.01% HIGHER chance of beating them than Val but Danny said it was a 0.01% chance
minor flame
koth maps are way different than literally any other
north tendon
thats missed spice
split heath
Good translation lol
dapper lantern
Danny mistranslating isn't uncommon
split heath
Lighting the fire for him
balmy wolf
i play widow tracer sombra for dps and, dva and hammond for tank and, zen and ana for support idk how i feel about 2 2 2
tropic herald
English to Korean isnât simple to do on the spot tho
split heath
You guys need to look into Emily âs translation
tropic herald
And vice versatility
north beacon
Maybe Danny wanted to create more hype
split heath
Thatâs some serious mistranslating lol
north beacon
âNo no that wasnât enough trash talk. Let me fix for youâ
upper hawk
Probably
balmy wolf
I mean "fun" is subjective and all, but in terms of pure counterplay there really is a decent amount in terms of orisa v orisa matchups
north tendon
egg then 2-2-2 is pretty much for you
north tendon
pog
balmy wolf
gamsu
north tendon
yeah
jagged crater
maybe dding doesnt want attention,
upper hawk
Youngjin is pretty boss at zoning with BOOMfist
balmy wolf
in low rank 2 2 2 might screw them over
actually help alot
playing sub-par comps is better than playing better comps?
no but people will through bc they dont get to play dps
split heath
I think low rank is gonna be all bunker
split heath
High rank is gonna be widow Pharah hanzo
balmy wolf
throw*
jagged crater
youngjin would be benched or flex to off-tank if 222?
minor flame
benched
balmy wolf
Zyx you cant do that
Ok I know it's a very generalized statement, but as someone who's played in literally every rank for over 100 hours and watched vods from literally 200sr (not 2000) to OWL scrims
north tendon
anything that forces dps to learn other roles is a good thing
balmy wolf
it is three dps
If your SR doesn't begin with at least a 4
You can play
any comp
and win
minor flame
actually
balmy wolf
oh wait im stupid
balmy wolf
The ONLY thing holding lower elos back from winning is their own thought process of "we have a worse comp therefore we lose"
i enjoy non-2/2/2 bc it invokes thought processes
goats is dead lets praise jeff
jagged crater
road dawg
balmy wolf
however i wont deny the benefits it has
upper hawk
True in bronze youll see 4-5 dps and it will fking work
balmy wolf
In OWL you see 4 dps too
jagged crater
blizz might do 222 just for the sake easier balance, if meta becomes to stale, it's a lot easier to break free from it
minor flame
222 for easier balance is a sketchy idea to me
north tendon
how will more people throw when you are literally given the choice for what role to queue for
jagged crater
there's a lot less combinations to think about
north tendon
the idea is role queue
balmy wolf
Also players will play shit they dont normally play
i thought first two to pick the role get it
upper hawk
Actually i think the thing in bronze ive seen the most of is going no MT
And still winning
balmy wolf
One main thing is that in lower elos (diamond and below), almost every single loss is because the tank and support play is terrible
north tendon
nah dude that would be fucking shit
balmy wolf
and then it is disabled
balmy wolf
it will still be hard to balance the game even with role lock , but at least there is a framework that blizzard can look at
north tendon
separate sr
balmy wolf
well fuck i have to choose i usually fill
jagged crater
has to be done
balmy wolf
Filling is the problem
split heath
MT is just kinda awkward when thereâs no coordination
So I can imagine it being useless in bronze
balmy wolf
People just fill and soft throw because they dont know how to fucking play the shit they play
Shidou ty
and nice avatar
"I'll play rein bc the team needs rein" then just holds up shield wondering why nothing happens
north tendon
np, I think thats part of why people think the lock sucks
upper hawk
Yeah i used to play rein and its pretty much useless 85 percent of the time
north beacon
China numba wun
upper hawk
Cuz healers suck
balmy wolf
70% of low elo losses are because tanks suck
29% because healers suck
1% bc of dps
I like dps and heals i dont like tank that much tho
jagged crater
did diya play at all this season?
balmy wolf
Anytime I get a vod from lower elos that play dps its.. honestly not that hard to just better. DPS is a VERY straight forward role.
But when a tank or support player plays
holy fucking tits
well a lot pf time people wont stay behind the shield in lower ranks
Then move forward
upper hawk
its only a problem with dps when you get a dude that thinks he can 1v6
And over extends every time
balmy wolf
yea
im in gm idk why im complaining
One of the hardest concepts to understand is that a bad idea done together >>>>>>>>> a good idea that people hestiate/half ass
These people in OWL don't do the best strats or perfect ideas. Hell, in VoD reviews I guarantee you even in wins they probably had not even the top 3 idea in certain scenarios
It's just the trust they have in one another
the only reason ik is bc on console i was plat
tawny sigil
and that's why the "BUT THAT'S WHAT WE PRACTICED" mentallity is just dum
balmy wolf
i.e. People meme Bumper for playing like garbage
And honestly, the whole "Titans carries Bumper" isn't 100% incorrect
They just have so much synergy
lmao leggo all of twitch chat last night
The trust in each other goes marrow deep
jagged crater
his role is to feed and it synergizes with their strats
north tendon
yeah his playstyle is enabled
balmy wolf
You fuckin turn the feed meter to 100 and pump out strats
jagged crater
i see a similar reason people shittalking kellex for dying a lot
balmy wolf
Hell if your team is in on it go for it
Top teams in OWL play to their strengths.
And make it work.
yea and not to the enemies weaknesses
like how SHD did
Which means don't counterpick to widow just because the enemy has a pharah
and the titans went for the SHD weaknesses and lost
If your reasoning for picking a specific hero is because the enemy has a specific hero
That's a terrible thing to do
north tendon
crusty too I feel like tried to with striker and smurf
even tho they arent warmed up
jagged crater
ding ding ding ding
balmy wolf
the ding in dding is all the pharah direct shots
balmy wolf
Too bad none of the dps on shock have a zarya as insane as sinatraas.
oh i can get meself a gold gun
jagged crater
is this the few times a team actually runs pharah a lot?
in top level OW before pharah was kinda nerfed
i loved seeing pharah played again
very reminiscent of early OW
north tendon
ever since I read mangachu considered dding the best pharah I was on the lookout for him
tho tbh jinmu pharah is legit
balmy wolf
beemoo if any team had dding they would rum pharah a lot
split heath
They have to have a good widow/Pharah/hanzo rotation of their own to really counter shd. Any other DPS comp gets countered by this rotation imo.
balmy wolf
run*
jagged crater
dding didnt even play pharah that much early in the season, he was just a sombra one trick
split heath
Unfortunately none of Titans and Shock has
balmy wolf
well tbh any tracer player from dive switch to sombra
jagged crater
doesnt always work out
balmy wolf
like sbb
and saybyeolbe
I remember the 1st time we saw him on it and it was the most telegraphed thing I've ever seen
lmao
*throws translocator in front of enemy team then emps
nyxl was so good they had the best healer best hitscan best tracer then they all went put of meta besides healers obviously
jagged crater
i was in an aim practice game with coma/dding/luffy, they were just messing around with meme heroes 1 hour before their stage playoff game. I love seeing that attitude work out
nova wadi
Did u kill them
jagged crater
yea i was sweating on mccree but stil couldnt hit a damn thing
nova wadi
Loool
split heath
What did they play
jagged crater
they were playing rein charging into eachother
balmy wolf
lmao
jagged crater
it was the aim arena custom
jagged crater
arhan was in that game too but wasnt sure if it was actually him cuz his profile was private
also just remembered arhan is still in the league
split heath
He has private profile cuz heâs masters
jagged crater
đ¤
split heath
Jk
split heath
Why not?
jagged crater
what is it dps and main tank?
split heath
I donât see them being significantly better than teams other than mayhems
jagged crater
then again valiant added a new dps and main tank, look where it got them
balmy wolf
the coaching staff is holding justice back a lot
jagged crater
maybe wizard not fit for a head coaching role
balmy wolf
tho its fucking better than janus
jagged crater
stick to assistant and provide them $tats
simple badger
So Jayne has quitted owl?
swift moth
It has to be the coaching staff since justice has a lot of great players
tropic herald
Or, the Justice suck at GOATs and just need to play dps
jagged crater
well if the 222 goes up, they'll have to play dps!
swift moth
Yeah itâs crazy Shanghai won without playing goats
simple badger
Goat is dead crab
split heath
Yeah maybe mayhems wonât suck that much either for the same reason
jagged crater
nah mayhem will still be bad
swift moth
@jagged crater and it will probably be a widow meta so they will do very well
Justice
balmy wolf
corey the american sniper
jagged crater
every team has a capable widow player
simple badger
Isn't mayhem have like 3 wins total from 2 seasons so far?
split heath
I bet justice will still be the worst lol
swift moth
Doesnât matter how they do, they wonât make playoffs
balmy wolf
not the point
simple badger
I hope they dont do 222 lock
simple badger
Only bads who complain about too many dps want it in comp
balmy wolf
You mean you want dps mains to play tank?
jagged crater
im going thru all the teams and seeing who their best widows are and it looks like titans might have the weakest widow?
stitch widow?
balmy wolf
stitch is good hitscan
balmy wolf
hes play with the best
swift moth
Who do valiant have as hitscan
jagged crater
ksf
swift moth
Shax?
jagged crater
ksf was nutting on widow
simple badger
Stitch is cute lol
swift moth
Who do the charge have as widow
jagged crater
happy
simple badger
Which team is sayaplayer
jagged crater
mayhem
swift moth
Mayhem
balmy wolf
krystal has good widow
jagged crater
ok krystal
balmy wolf
hunters have like 3 options
split heath
You are naming some very good widows that proved themselves in KR contenders
jagged crater
you've also seen them play on stage OWL
swift moth
He got destroyed by decay who isnât the gladiators widow player
split heath
Godsb and stitch played widow in owl?
jagged crater
stitch has
simple badger
Are spitfires any good anymore
split heath
Was he bad?
balmy wolf
who was bad?
swift moth
@simple badger spitfire is meh. Season 2 they were over hyped
split heath
Stitch, He said stitch is the weakest widow
balmy wolf
he ain't a weak widow
balmy wolf
The guy overall is a monster hitscan
split heath
Yeah I remember heâs really good on all the hits and
swift moth
He will probably be grinding her
jagged crater
ofc
split heath
Hitscans
balmy wolf
There just needs a meta for it
jagged crater
every single team has a player grinding widow
split heath
True I think itâs the meta
balmy wolf
Shock seems to have the most complete dps lineup
jagged crater
rascal himself can flex to almost any dps role
balmy wolf
same with Architect
jagged crater
cept widow
balmy wolf
huh?
split heath
But having good Pharah widow and hanzo might be the only thing that matters
These arenât really any of sfâs players signature hero
swift moth
architect signature is widow
balmy wolf
rascal covers both pharah and hanzo
swift moth
@split heath
jagged crater
nah it's actually genji but his widow is good too
split heath
And doom
jagged crater
he played widow last season
split heath
Heâs like rascal, he doesnât really have a signature
jagged crater
and did decent, even played in the widow 1v1s
swift moth
sinatraa could probably be the hanzo
jagged crater
i think he's more known for his genji coming from t2 yes
swift moth
and rascal on pharah
simple badger
Sinatra gona be benched if 222 comes
split heath
That sounds pretty week tbh
balmy wolf
Sinatraa already said he would be benched
split heath
If they can play sin hanzo and rascal Pharah they wonât even swap in Architect and striker today
jagged crater
he's competing against architect, striker and rascal for a non-tracer dps role, that's gonna be hard
split heath
Oh no Iâm wrong
swift moth
plus striker has a better tracer
simple badger
Too bad tracer bad now
split heath
That was for the widow
simple badger
He played widow? Lol
jagged crater
last minute yea
split heath
Whenever Sinatra try to flex on like reaper and widow
jagged crater
like a desperate pick hoping gets picks
swift moth
sinatraa widow 
split heath
I know shdâs gonna take it
split heath
Heâs been grinding, but I donât think this is a hero that can be grinded
jagged crater
a player needs to grind widow until they're comfortable with her
swift moth
^
split heath
Have you heard of any good widow in the league that wasnât good but eventually got there by grinding
idle beacon
time to buy some SHD skins đ
swift moth
owl widows cant be pussies
balmy wolf
@split heath striker grinded widow last yr
grinding heros does work
look at seagull
split heath
Ok, so maybe one
Yeah Iâm saying widow is different
Seagull wonât be a good widow whatever how much he grinds
Could be wrong tho
jagged crater
beyond just clicking heads better, there's still positional and synergistic things to improve on w/ the team
balmy wolf
Don't doubt players on their ability to learn heroes they don't play as much.
jagged crater
seagull is prob mechanically limited
split heath
Iâm definitely gonna doubt
jagged crater
on widow
split heath
And I think itâs ridiculous not to doubt that Sinatra will grind out a good widow
balmy wolf
Besides mechanics, its also a coaching thing too.
split heath
I personally donât buy it
balmy wolf
But rn, his team doesn't need a widow, he needs to focus on other things.
jagged crater
sin has a better chance goin for the non-widow dps role yes
swift moth
press x to doubt
echo quest
They just lost their star player because he couldnât play for a garbage ass franchise anymore
swift moth
everyone commenting hoes mad on the tweet omegalul
sinful bridge
SHANGHAIIIII
split heath
Because this is basically there season. After the summer league they will totally disappear lol
echo quest
Not really
sinful bridge
echo quest
They got the number 1 pick in the draft
echo quest
And the number 8th pick too. But yes they will be ass for the next 2-3 years
West is too stacked
minor flame
wtfi s summer league
swift moth
^
balmy wolf
think of it like contenders for overwatch
minor flame
but?
swift moth
I would say contenders seems more respectible
jagged crater
Contenders would be gleague
swift moth
since it has an impact on what people in pro league play
jagged crater
Summer league is preseason kinda
minor flame
so its like
balmy wolf
but not like the actual preseason
trim shadow
Theres probably more signings to come
Since blizz/the leauge has to approve and finalize contracts
Were now inbetween stages
So expect madness
balmy wolf
and then all the DF fans are gonna be sad that they didn't pick up a new flex dps
jagged crater
either d1 or g-league is contenders equivalent
haughty hazel
who plays ovewatch on ps4
hidden vault
Well it's true Dallas has garbage dps other then akm
trim shadow
Jayne thinks otherwise
Too soon
SOOON
Sorry
But paris should go up in rankings
If uk
Let sdb and SOON pop off
echo quest
Contenders is definitely higher than summer league
crisp willow
Did Shanghai just win
hidden vault
Maybe dallas will sell akm to paris and pick up another garbage dps
echo quest
Think of summer league as a tournament that tells teams the players that belong in the nba and the others that donât
crisp willow
DID SHANGHAI WIN
hidden vault
You can check the results
balmy wolf
I mean why would u do that? The dps lineup is already pretty stacked
balmy wolf
They ain't giving up dayne
trim shadow
Danye or nico
hidden vault
Who is the trasher dps?
balmy wolf
danye or nico?
hidden vault
Yeah
trim shadow
Nico
But nico can flex to dva
Apperantly
Akm would do the widow work
Soon tracer sombra
Sdb Genji
I think danye has pharah in@his pool
balmy wolf
danye can also has genji in his hero pool
and widowmaker
soon as well
they compliment each other pretty nicely
trim shadow
but russia paris is suppose to be the best goats team
-stage 1 week 1 knowledge
That didnt live long
jagged crater
godlike!!!!
trim shadow
Gunma put shanghai in my@top 3 now
Any objections?
cocks gun
Speak or hold ur peace
jagged crater
GOONMA
trim shadow
Very good 
balmy wolf
So the top 5 are now dragons, spark, shock, titans, and Val.
jagged crater
I SUPPOSE
dragons beat shock, titans and nyxl using their fabled 3 dps comp
i say that deserves some extra recognition
along ofc with how much better they became from an 0-40 s1
excellent management and coaching
trim shadow
- Vancouver
2.shanghai
3.san fran - Hangzhou
- nyxl
Vancouver signed tizi so im gunna keep em at 1
Tizi is a winston main i
echo quest
Luffy won all I care about
jagged crater
monkey d LUFFY
echo quest
They have a tough schedule next stage
I might be tripping but I think viewership is better than it was last year in stage 3
raw ermine
The finals peaked at 140k on twitch
trim shadow
Shanghai better win that epsy
Espy?
@minor flame thats generally cause
I feel vancouver made the right switxhes
But they didnt execute
echo quest
@raw ermine nah it was 155k
trim shadow
Haksal stitch are still gods in my eyes
echo quest
At map 6 it was at 150k
limber pine
Just not a good idea
2-2-2 is coming and Iâm sad
Literally nothing we saw in the playoffs will be played
north beacon
As much as Iâd love SHD to be auto locked into playoffs, itâs silly to give them a spot just bc of this win
trim shadow
222 has been in the works for a long time so
echo quest
Not even that what happens if a team wins the stage and then just yeets the next stages
trim shadow
There is no stage 4 playoffs
upper hawk
I dont like the idea of limiting the potential of the game
trim shadow
Its play ins next
upper hawk
But it is what it is
north beacon
They could do something like award a few extra wins for winning a stage, but that gets complicated and hard to understand
trim shadow
Potential of the game with 30 heros
upper hawk
And god damn it the Gladiators have a rough schedule for stage 4
My boys are gonna drop out of the playoffs entirely probably
trim shadow
I never had them making it honestly
upper hawk
Yeah its not gonna be good. They play NYXL, Houston, VAL, SF and Spark
Do you think dive would come back with 2-2-2 lock?
echo quest
No
jagged fox
That form... this heat... they have truly done it.... that is the true... Migatte No Shanghai
trim shadow
Ultra shanghai instict
echo quest
No. Itâs Kongdoo in their final form
They just need gamsu and diem to get there
Needed*
upper hawk
Oh true brig would mess that up
trim shadow
Widow
upper hawk
Id probably still be on the delete brig train
jagged fox
I'd be down
upper hawk
Theres ways around her that werent obvious at the beginning
But shes rly an off tank that heals
upper niche
I think Dive will be interesting in a 2/2/2 meta.
I think Brig is plenty stong enough though, so we might not see so much dive.
analog hamlet
@upper niche Brig in 2-2-2 means no answer to nanoblade
Dive will probably destroy brig
well, nanoblade
she's still decent vs dive
just not really in a 2-2-2
solemn magnet
trim shadow
Rewatchinf postshow
Im concviced 222 is happening
there having a show thursday
The desk
hidden vault
Who needs roar and decay when you gamsu and diem
tawny sigil
who needs Freefeel when you have benched geguri
"0 win, Not under me" -Gamsu at the start of the season
raw ermine
Why do they have Geguri and Envy?
They both are off tanks that play a bunch of dva, why get 2
hidden vault
Yeah cause shanghai is being dumb
trim shadow
Off tanks
hidden vault
Or you can say that envy has a better flex
trim shadow
But there not using em so
balmy wolf
to sell her off probs
Geguri is the only girl along with a lot of fans backing her up since the season 1 days
trim shadow
You kno dam well@there not gonna give up geguri
balmy wolf
So for the jerseys of course
trim shadow
Geguri is the same as pine
balmy wolf
I'm like
trim shadow
there gonna keep em forever
balmy wolf
sure that 60% of the shanghai fans are only fans cause of geguri
balmy wolf
Besides underdog status, during season 1 there wasn't much going on for them
balmy wolf
let me rephrase
I'm sure that in season 1, 60% of the fans were there for geguri but a huge chunk of that overlaps for the underdog story
echo quest
Season 1 maybe but not now
balmy wolf
what is netease
trim shadow
The org
echo quest
Didnât even make the all star game
balmy wolf
yea now you got diem and dding and youngjin to root for
echo quest
Or all of kongdoo
echo quest
Doesnât aspen stream for c9?
balmy wolf
kongdoo has a pretty decent fanbase that carried over
echo quest
Sad they became team griffin
balmy wolf
I don't think anybody will or the girls won't accept because they know they're going to be literally there to sell jerseys and they'd be restricted from streaming which in all honesty makes them more money than playing pro which they don't actually get to do
trim shadow
Aspen
stone hornet
Who is the best female overwatch player?
trim shadow
Female ow players probably dont wanna spend 5-8 hours scrimming
In a house of sweaty men
Mostly sweaty mem
echo quest
Geguri
trim shadow
Just to get outworked
balmy wolf
Geguri is the only one
balmy wolf
Geguri is the only female professional OWL player
outer sluice
balmy wolf
Not really
echo quest
Just became all Korean lmao
tropic herald
Literally just Diya and Geguri left from original
Not to discredit their amazing wins
balmy wolf
Does Diya even play
echo quest
They donât even play lol
jagged crater
it's a new team entirely
echo quest
Diya has played 1 Map
trim shadow
Still under the same org
echo quest
He was good on it tho
balmy wolf
I hope season 4 has new teams
jagged crater
LE TEAMS
balmy wolf
I am proud of shanghai for beating the top 3 teams
tropic herald
I think they keep Diya on so they can claim they arenât full Korean and Geguri is a moral booster
trim shadow
Season 4 will more then likely have new teams
balmy wolf
am disappointed by NYXL for just being so utterly dps incompetent
tropic herald
Season 4 should have more
trim shadow
Considering everyone is going to there home cities
balmy wolf
I am proud of shock for making it close
echo quest
@balmy wolf they didnât even play dps
balmy wolf
exactly
tropic herald
The amount of teams depends on how successful Season 3 is
trim shadow
Think blizz wanted to cap at 28 teams
balmy wolf
They could have
trim shadow
I say 30
balmy wolf
they chose not to
echo quest
30 teams is nice
echo quest
Like the nba
tropic herald
30 would make sense
trim shadow
And it adds more risk to losing
tropic herald
28
trim shadow
It makes getting into stage playoffs all the more satisfying
I think the blizz arena will be used for stage playoffs and playoffs
echo quest
20 teams rn
balmy wolf
you mean finals?
balmy wolf
gotcha
tropic herald
:/ they better not try putting all of Playoffs in Blizzard arena
It can only hold like 450
tropic herald
Well Iâm talking about next year if they do stage playoffs in blizzard arena
tropic herald
Philly theoretically will be really good next year at least
tropic herald
Well Philly has Funi to fall on
balmy wolf
So for the play offs
Shanghai, NYXL, Vancouver, Shock are likely the guaranteed spots
who else do you think is going in
tropic herald
Yeah Spark
echo quest
If itâs 2-2-2
tropic herald
Oh
trim shadow
Wells fargo center isnt phillys arena
echo quest
Double sniper than philly is fine
trim shadow
Philly is getting a new built from@the ground up
tropic herald
Well temp
echo quest
Eqo hanzo and Carpe widow is nasty
echo quest
Also I wonder how come Philly never tried Eqo on zarya
@balmy wolf their stats were close
Very close
echo quest
Striker got bodied
balmy wolf
Also
tropic herald
Striker only got bodied on his first game
echo quest
I mean he out duled diem in the 1v1 lol
balmy wolf
It's likely cause Carpe's mechanical skills on paper should have swapped to zarya's tracking since he was also their tracer
but it doesn't always work that way
And Striker has only played for shock on two maps
tropic herald
Carpe tried playing Zarya like a dps
tropic herald
Also Phillyâs GOATs as a whole is trash
balmy wolf
Stage 1 on Busan also on widow and got anihlated.
Stage 3 Finals on Oasis and again got anihilated
it brings a smile to my face to see him eat shit
tropic herald
Why?
balmy wolf
Cause ppl hype him up about as much as pine as a Widow and Tracer god and it annoys me greatly
echo quest
Wait who?
balmy wolf
Striker
tropic herald
Well he does have a really good tracer
echo quest
Heâs the second best tracer in the league my guy
1B to sbb
Also hating on a player yikes
tropic herald
Hating a player bc they are good isnât really that good of a reason to hate them
balmy wolf
I agree but people constantly claim he is the best at both tracer and widow and is number 1 at both and I hate that they actively refuse to admit he's neither of those
he's good
but damn sure ain't the best
tropic herald
He has an account with 38% crit what? Heâs not the best but itâs pretty good
echo quest
Imagine hating on a 19 year old kid
tropic herald
Also playing two maps is not enough info
balmy wolf
I don't hate him as an individual. Don't know what he's like. But I enjoy seeing him fail miserably. Yea but it proves that he's not good enough to be a starter.
echo quest
â I enjoy seeing him fail miserably â sounds like hating
tropic herald
Heâs going to play next stage if there is 2-2-2
echo quest
^
tropic herald
Sinatraa does not have a good enough widow
trim shadow
Striker was bostom
hidden vault
32 teams would be good for championships
trim shadow
Him and dream
balmy wolf
Ah yea
tropic herald
Dream WeirdChamp
balmy wolf
You don't put him down not playing as much in the 2nd season.
DreamKasper the Teen Grasper
balmy wolf
But yea strikers needs playtime in OWL to keep his skills sharp.
tropic herald
No
echo quest
Dreamkazper just pissed me off. Easily the best Dps USA ever had
balmy wolf
No he really shouldn't
trim shadow
He should
echo quest
Fucking waste of talent
tropic herald
He doesnât deserve a redemption
balmy wolf
He's a legit pedo
tropic herald
He knew the girl was underage
trim shadow
Cool
tropic herald
Thatâs a crime
balmy wolf
thats like you saying bill cosby deserves a redemption arc from all the women he raped
trim shadow
Blizz suppoets pride so they like pedos
echo quest
Wait wat? Iâm just saying he was a waste of talent
tropic herald
No not you
trim shadow
đ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸ should know what your supporting before you blow it in everyones face
balmy wolf
I think Rush is saying supporting LGBT = supporting Pedo
echo quest
My guy who know what he did right?
balmy wolf
which is no
echo quest
You*
echo quest
And?
tropic herald
He deserves too
balmy wolf
Doesn't matter, he still did it even though he knew it
tropic herald
He knowingly committed a crime, a felony
trim shadow
The flawed logic is dream shouldnt have redemption but toxic muma is fine
Or xqc
@echo quest thats a filtered word
echo quest
Your actually dumb
tropic herald
Pedophilia is a whole different level of wrong
trim shadow
Very dumb
tropic herald
Dream hasnât ever said he was sorry
balmy wolf
Muma didn't try to rape someone and neither did xqc. Xqc doesn't even care about the game he's a variety streamer with like his toe in the gladiator's contender's team
trim shadow
Ppl dont have to say sorry?
tropic herald
Let me get this to you.
trim shadow
It was a contenders players that actually tried to rape a minor but alright
tropic herald
Dream knowingly hit on a minor, that is a crime.
tawny sigil
Guys, how much money do you think I can make, by selling an info to OWL players about knowing what character the enemy team picked before the match is underway
trim shadow
I think
I dont remember who
But i remember reading a contenders players actually uk commited it
Didnt rlly care to savor his name cause your a nobody in contenders unless ur a personality or a god
Or if your controversial
Like Whoru
To conclude..Dream was at fault for touching/talking to a minor without confirming her age
Shes at fault for not disclosing her age to a adult
Everyones to blame
Mom dad dream girl
Therefore i dont hold pedo over his name..alot of dudes get caught up with minors cause they look 23 BUT NEVER DISCLOSE THERE AGE
echo quest
@trim shadow he knew her age lol
trim shadow
Pedo is someone who activetly stalks someone And gets a kink
echo quest
Still didnât stop
tropic herald
She said she was 14
echo quest
Or would you like me to send you all the screen shots and shit
trim shadow
Before the story broke or after
trim shadow
Eh
echo quest
trim shadow
Tmz isnt a trusted source
echo quest
Go ahead and defend Jonathon Sanchez
trim shadow
Or overwatch tmz
echo quest
Ight your just trolling now
trim shadow
They have the same credibility as insiders
upper niche
Wasn't that story found to be mostly bs?
echo quest
Dude I get. DK was your favourite player but you need to get off his dick
It*
@upper niche nope completely true
trim shadow
@upper niche exactly why i said its not a credible source
echo quest
Than why exactly did he get terminated lmao
trim shadow
Simple
echo quest
It literally shows the dms
trim shadow
Boston cant make money off of controversial figures
they make money off skilled players
echo quest
My guy stop defending a pedo lol
trim shadow
Boston would get bombrushed if they kept dream
upper niche
Because at the time it appeared credible and they didn't investigate thoroughly. Also for many employers merely being charged is being seen as having sufficient grounds.
trim shadow
Your the plantiff in this situation its you who haa to provide
echo quest
Iâm waiting
upper niche
There's an assumption that if the police have enough evidence to bring charges, they must be in to something - sadly. We had that with a board I w on a few years ago, where a professional athlete w charged, but not convicted, and at the time that was deemed sufficient.
echo quest
@trim shadow I did provide you just refuse to believe them so Iâm asking you for a source
trim shadow
You provided a reddit post
echo quest
About this being fake
trim shadow
Not a article
trim shadow
Reddit has the same credibility as dirt
upper niche
If memory serves correctly DK was charged but then acquitted as the evidence was found to have been fraudulently produced and he was preyed on.
echo quest
@upper niche where did you get that lmao
trim shadow
@upper niche you know why
Cause dream has money
This is to common in professional@sports /celebrity hood
Where a gullible guy gets hooked on a beauitful girl
Nd then she throws rape at him
echo quest
Jesus Christ Iâm done lol. Canât get more delusional
upper niche
Do you have evidence that he was convicted? Because I distinctly remember hearing that the charges had been dropped, and everyone pointing out at the time that that wouldn't get nearly as much coverage as the actual to begin with, so his reputation remains trashed as a result of people only being interested in touring the drama, but not correction.
trim shadow
Precisely
trim shadow
this means that huk let dream go was because of the volatile ow community ?
balmy wolf
oh no remember when the first things came out and it was like
while we investigate, DK will be suspended temporarily
this was right before that period started
trim shadow
before reddit start filling up with articles and screenshots?
what ever happened to the girl who accused DK
trim shadow
like any rape allegation sadly
balmy wolf
her family didnt follow through with any legal action against DK on the basis that he didn't act on anything in person
he has returned to boosting and playing OW on a smurf named Ayez
trim shadow
sounds like a DK thing he would do
balmy wolf
ive played against ayez in ranked a couple times
it was fucking impossible to do
he just... has such a flanking widow playstyle and his genji is so annoying to duel
echo quest
Everyone knows ayez is DK
balmy wolf
oh the family following through thing is rumored
after that is wellknown
my favorite part is on liquidpedia his approx earning is $123
trim shadow
df?
echo quest
The personal photos of DK sent to the girl are hard to fake
balmy wolf
ye
trim shadow
youd be suprised what people can do in photshop lakim
trim shadow
its gotten so bad
that its almost impossible to tell the difference between real and fake photos
echo quest
@trim shadow you think a 14 year old would go to so much trouble for that?
trim shadow
DK wasnt that well liked striker was right
DK had the talent yes but he wasnt a personality
it is not far of a reach that the girl either
trim shadow
A. recieved funding which is ithink illegal
B. or someone did it free of charge
you can take a photo of dream
echo quest
So you think he isnât a pedo?
trim shadow
standing clothed in a room
darken the background a bit
remove his shirt which is complicated
boom your evidence
im always skeptical of high profile players/celebs being a pedo..when they never displayed it in public
like sexual jokes comments
saying hell do this and that
he'll*
and if your a pro in owl how do you even have the spare time togo see a girl?
i remember watching a paris video
echo quest
Have you seen any of the photos he sent?
trim shadow
they used to have scrim blocks in the morning
balmy wolf
I mean it was all over night to be fair
trim shadow
and then team activites in the evening
balmy wolf
they have off days