diya doesnt play
#esports-discussion
echo quest
tropic herald
Arhan is alright
hidden vault
He doesn't fit houston
echo quest
diya has played 1 map
hidden vault
The other dps players are better
tropic herald
Arhan has a gengi which is the only reason he might get played
balmy wolf
same thing with zach really
jagged crater
gonjo?
hidden vault
Just release both of then
hidden vault
I agree he will be good on contenders
hidden vault
A different team
balmy wolf
Well he needs to be in a different environment because clearly the staff aren't using him properly
tropic herald
He’s just not consistent enough for pro play
Also Fuel is bad?
They have not legit projectile player
balmy wolf
Its obvious zach is not a brig player, so make him do something else or just benched him for the time being
Even then akm and tamiou are better hitscan by history alone
tropic herald
It’s kinda annoying that they haven’t played Taimou that much
balmy wolf
taimou has played brig before and his hitscan can be good at times
tropic herald
Taimou has a decent Sombra too proven by the recent game against NY
tropic herald
NY is only bad bc Atlantic is bad
They need legit competition
Atlantic division is a joke
balmy wolf
its not that, NY just has no idea to do with comps that go against sombra goats or traditional goats in higher levels
NY is bad because they're incapable of running any comp besides a goats variant or a sombra goats variant when none of their dps can play sombra
them being in a bad division isn't an excuse to be shit
SBB can't do it well
Meko doesn't
Pine sure as hell can't
Flower is basically a ghost
And Nenne claims to be able to do it but meh
tropic herald
Honestly dps should be their next choice
Bc they have the talent
Just need to play decent hopefully
balmy wolf
They can't or won't because "Nenne and Libero are flexible enough" Despite I don't think Nenne has truly proven himself in OWL as a decent DPS
when compared to Pine or SBB or even Flower
NY against any of the top 4 (dragons, spark, shock, and titans) would not be a close one
SBB's hero pool is limited to like 2 characters and so is Pine
balmy wolf
They don't have any player who plays Sombra and only one that can play Zarya
yea they're stuck between a rock and a hard place
and insist on running the comps that heavily favor it instead of trying to pull a shanghai and having mano on ball and nenne on sombra while libero and (Insert third dps here) to do their own thing
tropic herald
Their triple dps intl theory would work
balmy wolf
If role lock happens or not, NY are gonna be in a same spot like last time. Be top in the regular season then lose the playoffs.
I mean in real life, the winston sombra goats ain't working
for them I mean
So if it ain't working
I say move to the next comp
Shock I think just jebaited us all that entire stage really.
Either that or Make SBB watch Danteh and or Diem and or Switch on Sombra
tropic herald
No, I think people just forgot that Shock are 3-3monsters
balmy wolf
Besides that shock have adapted well to playing against sombra.
tropic herald
They studied Shax and had him read like a book all series
tropic herald
They are going to have a much more difficult time with Shanghai
balmy wolf
Their support line improved and Rascal just being dumb good on Bap
I don't think the reaper was actually a strat they prepped
the bunker yes
tropic herald
Though Choi has a nasty hog so watch out dps
balmy wolf
the reaper no way
Shock was trolling with reaper.
They figured out shax and just fuck around with it.
tropic herald
Reaper was a troll pick to mess up mentally
balmy wolf
if you really wanted to mess with the mentality
I imagine shock have the best chance against the dragons. They have beat their style before, but not on the level their playing at rn.
the torb hammer would have done the job
tropic herald
Viol2t has questionable Trances today though, that could be exploited
balmy wolf
no matter how many hammer kills
the biggest disrespect ever
was vancouver against gladiators with the quad dps no tank and duo support set up
on horizon
with Seominsoo on Reaper
Bumper on Junkrat
That was funny as hell.
Can't believe that strat actually work.
tropic herald
Titans are wack
balmy wolf
that was the biggest disrespect I have ever seen and really makes me smh
Like what the hell gladiators
tropic herald
I’m rooting for them
balmy wolf
I just don't like seeing the same team win over and over
once they win constantly they become arrogant
shock and vancouver are the biggest examples of arrogant teams
tropic herald
But I think we al know in the back of our head who’s gonna win
split heath
What comp do people think SF is gonna run tomorrow?
balmy wolf
I actually dont. I think this will be really close
Probably same thing
Bunker and or Goats variant
Lots of bap goats.
tropic herald
SHD likely to run doom, Sombra and Pharah
split heath
Yeah no shit I’m asking what’s the new strat lol
tropic herald
Plot twist SFS start with Striker
balmy wolf
bunker and goats variant is already a wide amount of things
plz
they're not gonna pull a NYXL
tropic herald
Striker v Diem Widow
balmy wolf
thats the point, shock has never play any new strats . they just force win with baps goats in the regular season
tropic herald
That would be a battle
balmy wolf
I do think Diem is now the best widow in the league
tropic herald
Diem has been for a while
split heath
Is baptise good enough to counter the Pharah comp?
tropic herald
Who else would there be?
balmy wolf
literally shock did that
bap bunker countered valiant pharmercy
Carpe was my initial thought on best widow but dude got smashed
tropic herald
I think bap might have a little trouble into SHd triple
balmy wolf
True
tropic herald
The saying is Diem Carpe now
balmy wolf
I don't think Shock has ever faced an actual good doomfist
And I think a key fault to the valiant style
tropic herald
Youngjin is a really good doom too
balmy wolf
Then again shock did beat them while dragons were using the same strat last stage
is fact fiction was just on orisa too much
where as Dragons is full in on ball
tropic herald
Dragons last stage are not the same this stage
Dragons have definitely become better
balmy wolf
Also Kariv couldn't channel whatever he was on when they beat the titans
which is sad
kariv and shax were the key players in beating titans
titans had no plan against shax
shock did
tropic herald
Shock has crusty too
split heath
If baptise comp doesn’t work what are they likely to switch to?
tropic herald
Full on 3-3
split heath
I mean is there a back up
balmy wolf
or that bunker strat we saw on the first map
balmy wolf
or maybe something entirely else
Look
Shock has
Bunker
Floats
Goats
variant of the three. And by variant I mean mostly on the support line.
Dragons can do goats but you don't wanna goats into the shock
And so they're likely gonna rely on their dps
Their weakest link I would actually say is their dps line
for the shock
tropic herald
Dragons has really good dps though so idk
balmy wolf
the dragons are good at dps
so thats what they gotta play with
For points like control I would say it's a matter of capping first which is all entirely going to be on Dding
not entirely but a huge part of that is going to be on his shoulders
meanwhile Diem is gonna either be building emp or trying to pop some heads from shock
and the main person who can counter them is choi who they have to take down
split heath
@tropic herald I didn’t watch that comp. is there a DVa or s widow in it?
gaunt minnow
Cant wait to see shd win stage 3.
tropic herald
Which comp
split heath
The hog bunker you talked about
tropic herald
It was Orisa Hog for sure and a O’Hara mercy with Ana
Pharah
Idk it’s better than bap GOATs at least
split heath
You think this is better than bap goats against shd?
split heath
They might just bap goats, tank the damage and hard push ana
balmy wolf
poor luffy. That will heavily depend on gamsu peeling for him
gaunt minnow
Finals tmr?
balmy wolf
Shock are gonna chase down gamsu and luffy
Dragons are gonna try and kill shit with dding and diem
probs with titans was that it was hard to target supports since either one was flying or one was way in the back
gaunt minnow
Dding will go Sombra against SFS.
gaunt minnow
Oh right Diem
No wait what
Well whatevs. SHD will go Sombra triple DPS against SFS.
gaunt minnow
SFS kinda a bit thick for a Widow to click. But it could work for shd, pog.
Is tmr stage 3 finals??
Oh yes it is
:DDD
4am in my time zzzzzz
trim shadow
balmy wolf
Lol
nova wadi
Did Shanghai really 4-1 Vancouver
trim shadow
Y e p
nova wadi
Jesus
gaunt acorn
modest onyx
watch SHD wins tomorrow
nova wadi
Is shd staying on their dps comps
forest raven
Dding was on pharah for like 90% of the time
Diem pounded on both sombra and widow
Youngjin was all brig/doom
split heath
The best part is DDing and Diem is probably also the league’s best double sniper duo, that made titans unable to counter them by running double sniper because they would just go mirror
forest raven
Dding/Diem are the duo from heaven tbh
split heath
I don’t know if DDing is that good in a DPS duo. From what I know his DPS pool is only Pharah junkrat and hanzo. So he will be very situational after role lock
Unless double sniper is meta?
What do people think the meta will be after role lock
little silo
He also plays Sombra if you didnt know
split heath
Oh right
severe junco
Double sniper will probably be meta
upper niche
nice
karmic grotto
dding's pharah is godly
little silo
geguri will most likely never see stage time again
stuck meadow
uhhhh wait wait wait wait
shanghai beat the titans 3-1?
Wtf is this time we're living in
karmic grotto
Dafran died for this
We see more 222 coming
He left at the worst possible time for him
shell sierra
Whats the score for shd
severe junco
They beat the titans 4-1 and from what I can tell, ran Pharmercy a lot
proper cove
Dding carried Shanghai
little silo
Luffy and the dps popped off
and so did Gamsu and Youngjin
all of them had insane performances
shell sierra
I mean the stage score
severe junco
you know when a team's gonna win? when they've won
shell sierra
How many wins and losses does shd have
little silo
12-9
shell sierra
Thats way better then season 1
little silo
any win would be better than season 1
upper niche
It just occurred to me - did any of the OWL/Watchpoint talent predict SFS to win tomorrow?
severe junco
sideshow and bren predicted Valiant winning the whole thing, Soe predicted NYXL winning
Soe was 2/4 in quarters, meaning her semis predictions were royally fucked
Bren had the entirety of quarters predicted but his semis predictions were entirely wrong
Sideshow had 3/4 for quarters, but this meant his semis predictions were off. however, neither team he had going for the finals have made it
Basically, Bren wins because nobody has successfully predicted who would make it to the finals and as such, only the Quarters have been correct
karmic grotto
solemn magnet
So who won in the Shanghai vs Titans game
frozen perch
Shanghai 4-1
Shanghai ran Pharmercy + Sombra + sometimes Doomfist or Widow and Titans just ran GOATS
That game made me reconsider how good Pharah is because holy shit
upper niche
Everyone watching: "Oh, you can do that with Pharah? Wow. Okay, I can definitely do that.".
Tries...
"Yeah I'm going back to playing McCree.
hybrid sage
who did shangahi beat again?
little silo
some no names tbh
trim shadow
shanghai is gonna throw the kitchen sink at san fran
little silo
Remember to give Shanghai your energy today
wide heron
well there goes my bracket
darned titans
i still have valiant winning 4-2
ksf potm
then
Shanghai wins 4-1
dding potm
pearl stratus
Pharah is good in the right hands.
The amount of direct hit rockets Dding lands is inhuman.
I wish we had betters stats on it, actually
Also I can hop onto this hype train:
Twitter
pearl stratus
Youngjin tends to rotate between Fist and Brig right now.
Sometimes the occassional hog.
And no, no D'va. Unnecessary when your opponents aren't reacting to your comp.
Though if you want to get technical
Youngjin also played Rein last night lmfao.
And blocked some shatters.
Though the real chad of the match last night was Luffy, playing absolutely out of his mind
hidden vault
Luffy was ana?
pearl stratus
Yeah.
balmy wolf
He was good
trim shadow
shanghai gonna unleash the biggest spirit bomb after all this energy were giving them
trim shadow
luffy/coma came in clutch on those last 2 maps
pearl stratus
He's been consistent most of this stage honestly. It's just coaching increases more than popping off.
Actually lets make it more fair.
balmy wolf
I got a lot of faith in Shanghai to topple the shock
trim shadow
i think san fran should think of themselves as the underdog
trim shadow
pearl stratus
There we go.
trim shadow
super should be the next pip boy
pearl stratus
With one more map they're basically identical Anas - averaging 8-9 sleeps per round.
Shock is more practiced in dealing with their triple DPS style, and the Baptiste flex for Rascal gives them better anti-air.
It should be a good match.
trim shadow
im calling off work to see this match up
shanghai better take my enrgy and appreciate it
hidden vault
How did jjonak do as ana?
trim shadow
san fran might try and run and the slambulance
hidden vault
He's a dps ana still
little silo
Luffy has stepped it up in playoffs
he doesnt die nearly as much
gets insane value and isnt first pick 90% of the time
balmy wolf
I think he's lead in damage, healing, and final blows, but not nade kills and deaths
jjonak i mean
pearl stratus
He's not up there in sleeps either.
shy mica
https://clips.twitch.tv/KnottyGrossWeaselMcaT you're rushing point B but an angry korean monkey goes back to A and slaps your ana wyd
karmic grotto
Dragons, 4-0
little silo
Dragons 4-3
raw ermine
shock 4-3
cedar drum
Dragons 4-3
Also, thinking stage 4 and beyond....Dding and Diem +a strong tank and support lineup makes Shanghai instantly a top 3 team.
Really excited to see more of them
little silo
Looks pretty darn good to me
balmy wolf
2 of the 1st stats arent what amkes an ana good
karmic grotto
what do you mean
karmic grotto
biotic grande kills
feral wing
also
shock 4-2
and shanghai's results in stage 4 and possibly beyond depends on how they do in a 2-2-2 lock meta
balmy wolf
High damage CAN be indicative of just lower healing but it doesn't give both sides of the story
Team fight wins? thats not even like indicative of an ana's skill
final blows ar ea useless stata
feral wing
its not a useless stat.. what about ana's finishing kills with biotic nades after the enemy player falls back? Anas killing pharahs etc etc
that team fight win stat is of jjonak on ana
it proves he supports his team and helps his team properly as an ana
if he was a dogshit ana that team fight win stat would be a lot lower
balmy wolf
literally no one in analytics uses final blows as a stat
wide heron
dragons 4-2
balmy wolf
finishing a kill with bio nade isnt nearly as important as setting up for nades
put on average enemies hit with bio nade as a stat and then you'll see the real good anas
feral wing
finishing a kill with bio nade is quite important if it means you get a pick
balmy wolf
thats a really really really really really high value cooldown that you really really really dont want to use for a pick
feral wing
i disagree, thats a really really really really really high value cooldown that you really really really do want to use for a pick
picks in goats = team fight wi
balmy wolf
you can lose a 6 v 5 if the 6's ana's nade is used and the 5 still has nade
balmy wolf
and the team with the nade should win that fight
feral wing
if its a high value target then the enemy team has to back off
balmy wolf
depends, in scrims it really doesnt matter how high value the target is if you get 4 man nade even if they have a main tnak and you dont you win that fight
they have to invest bubble, pack, amp, and most of dm just to survive through nade
and you have all of that + in the time they invest all of that they lose their shield advantage
so now theyre down all their cooldowns with no shield against a team with most of their cooldowns and energy advantage + healing advantage
but you got the first pick 😃
balmy wolf
"first pick" is a really useless statement, what matters is winning the team fight. what i said above is what normally happens when you use high value resources for one pick
usually in boston/washington scrims, no one uses anti to finish off a kill UNLESS it's cleanup
if its like a 6 v 3 or so then sure go for it use nade for finishing off
feral wing
I never said you should always use the nade to finish kills or picks, I said that the final blow stat shows the anas ability to get those picks with, for example, the biotic nade or the anas ability to kill the enemy pharah etc etc. If you pick off, lets say, the zarya, then that is huge. At that point you will have basically won the fight. Also youre assuming that the teams will be playing ana vs ana, which is not even close to guaranteed.
but this is besides the point anyways
those stats dont show that jjonak ''isnt as spectacular as ana''
i would argue that they show that he IS
of course, a healing stat would be nice though.
balmy wolf
healing is a useless stat compared to sleeps or anti nades
pearl stratus
I tweeted Captain Planet to see if he could do a 'Enemies hit by Nade' stat.
No reply yet.
pearl stratus
Ana especially, since if she does other things right you tend to win fights with a lot less incoming.
balmy wolf
better mercys dmg boost more, better lucios get more off assists with speed amp / beat drops applied, better zens do way more damage, better anas land more sleeps/nades
pearl stratus
Like you land a 5-6 person nade?
You're ending that fight too fast to get a lot of healing done.
balmy wolf
its to the point where focusing on healing as ana is actually detrimental
feral wing
every stat is useless btw guys
pearl stratus
I mean to be fair Jacker.
You're telling someone who's done T2 analysis he doesn't know what he's analzying.
So you just kind of look like a moron 😛
feral wing
I never said that, I said that I disagree.
pearl stratus
By default.
balmy wolf
I'm fine with explaining why
feral wing
What he has analyzed or not before is irrelevant
balmy wolf
Jacker I'm... in the owl scrims you're talking about
karmic grotto
Someone once said: if any support has 20k healing, the fight lasts too long and support isn't doing its job to secure team fight
I think you said that leggo
balmy wolf
Vinum is honestly correct here
feral wing
So I cant argue with someone just because of what they have analyzed or what they do?
balmy wolf
oh did i say that
karmic grotto
Yes
pearl stratus
I mean if you break down Kariv/Luffy stats they average... (average being relative, maps obviously vary) but..
36k healing over 5 maps
7k healing ish
balmy wolf
it's either the game took forever or you were too passive, one of the 2. if it's the former then it's whatevs if it's the latter it's a playstyle fault
balmy wolf
The most important stat for an Ana is average # of enemies hit per nade
pearl stratus
Which Cap doesn't show us 😦
balmy wolf
For Lucio it's Offensive Assists per 10 + Avg damage blocked with beat drop
feral wing
for reddit lucios its environmental kills
karmic grotto
That's suicide
pearl stratus
Is Zen still discord damage / transcendence ult timing?
balmy wolf
For Zen it's really up to the team's individual playstyle. NYXL would focus more on Dmg boosted per 10 + damage output where teams like Fuel might look at trans usage
pearl stratus
Yeah last I was focusing on Zen stuff people were using ult charge timer as a pretty heavy metric.
Which is why people loved Jjonak with his ~53s Trans charges at the time.
pearl stratus
At least in hindsight NYXL played Shanghai closer than Vancouver basically 😛
pearl stratus
Their best D'va is probably Geguri or Envy, they're about the same.
hidden vault
Lmao then why pick up envy
feral wing
Envy, not that it really matters at the moment though
pearl stratus
Because Geguri has no flex.
hidden vault
It's not like he can switch off to sombra
feral wing
although it will matter next stage if the rumours are true
are they even rumors anymore
rumours? rumors?
pearl stratus
They're what they are. Because there's been nothing on them in the longest time.
And the game right now is in a really good state.
feral wing
Sorry, English isnt my first language. Im Norwegian.
pearl stratus
So 2-2-2 would arguably make it worse.
balmy wolf
Still just rumors, no blizzard official confirmed
hidden vault
Sure then that means shanghai is making a move against 2-2-2
pearl stratus
Personally I like the current state.
hidden vault
I second that
pearl stratus
And think 2-2-2 would be a regression to basic bullshit.
feral wing
I want dive back. I preferred watching that.
feral wing
the faster paced gameplay was more interesting to watch imo
balmy wolf
2/2/2 would become bunker/double sniper with orisa hog
pearl stratus
The armor nerfs hit Winston and D'va -hard-
shell sierra
Im am Norwegian too
pearl stratus
It'd be all bunker and CV comp.
feral wing
well yeah i know that 2-2-2 role lock wouldnt bring dive back
pearl stratus
You'll want to slit your wrists within a week.
pearl stratus
Because Bunker/CV comp are slower than watching old people fuck
hidden vault
But I would like to comment the other teams are making moves to would 2-2-2 but shanghai seems other wise
feral wing
slower than waiting for shanghai's first win
pearl stratus
Shanghai doesn't need to make moves, really.
Gamsu is a strong Winston Rein, they have D'va /Zarya on the bench.
hidden vault
The envy pick up was redundant
balmy wolf
Honestly the armor nerf hit Rein the hardest, winston the second hardest
The entire rein playstyle changed
pearl stratus
And Orissa, in my opinion, trucks the fuck out of Winston post armor nerfs/orissa buffs.
hidden vault
Leggo care to explain?
pearl stratus
She picked up what.. a 38% damage boost against a chunk of his HP pool?
She benefitted so much from the armor nerf.
hidden vault
And endo why do you like saying orissa lol
balmy wolf
OK so before the rein shield management was geared towards keeping your armor. The amount of damage mitigated by armor was massive before, so if he was able to keep his natural armor during team fights he took a LOT of damage and give the enemies less ult charge
hidden vault
And now? How do you play him?
balmy wolf
Very passively
pearl stratus
Also I realized I was wrong when I said if we go 2-2-2 Youngjin wouldn't play anymore.
Because Youngjin is Shanghai's Hog.
We'd just still not see Geguri, lol
balmy wolf
I really really really wish I could work with geguri
pearl stratus
I'd honestly want to work with Gamsu.
He seems like one of the only adults in the league.
If that makes sense.
pearl stratus
he might be better than Geguri on D'va, I don't have an up to date read on either of them
Since they're unused.
pearl stratus
I've just been enjoying Shanghai 3dps style lately.
balmy wolf
This is 100% personal opinion
There is only a very small handful of actually PMA players
Fusions, Note, Geguri, Mickie
It's so rare that players are chosen over more mechanically skilled players purely off of their attitude
hidden vault
Custa no?
balmy wolf
I.e. Fusions? 100% chosen because of his attitude over others
pearl stratus
Custa / Gamsu seem situationally PMA, not permanent.
And I think Leggo is talking permanent players.
balmy wolf
Obviously he had that one minor outburst but you know damn well he legit threw water on his face then just went back to whatever he was doing
Custa idk enough about to make an assumption
pearl stratus
Like I don't think Gamsu was PMA in Season 1.
balmy wolf
I've been working with ioStux for a bit and I've talked to a decent amount of the players before makin this assumption
Custa I've only ever interacted with in ranked and... it's a mixed bag
karmic grotto
👀
hidden vault
It's hard to be working with such an org
balmy wolf
I can't speak about orgs bc I really don't know all the details, just one side of things
So for example, Asking
Asking is a fucking mechanics GOD.
karmic grotto
But?
pearl stratus
Old Jake 😛
balmy wolf
Not even ego, he just... doesn't stop dropping slurs or making really inappropriate jokes or quitting early
hidden vault
Wait who's asking?
pearl stratus
Not that I think Jake changed, he just learned to shut up lol
hidden vault
Oh and jake was toxic lol
balmy wolf
Uprising Academy hitscan that was supposed to go to OWL but his contract was prematurely terminated
karmic grotto
Being Toxic gets you nowherew
hidden vault
To Boston?
karmic grotto
Do people even have proper education?
balmy wolf
I forgot to where
pearl stratus
Wasn't he part of the LAV trade at the time?
little silo
Wasnt he part of the valiant trade that got cancelled
balmy wolf
On their minecraft server that I was let on for a bit, everytime asking changed his name it was legit just racial slurs
pearl stratus
Then when the trade ended he just went nowhere
balmy wolf
Players like Swimmer have that permanent PMA attitude but just need to move forward with some aspects of their playstyle and they're a perfect fit
little silo
season 1
balmy wolf
Here's the thing, there are a lot of aspects to scouting players but some of them are obviously more important than others
Game Sense, Positioning, Mechanics, and Mentality
The first 2 at that high ass level, you don't even look for in VoDs.
Mechanics and Mentality are the hardest aspects of a player to coach
Getting better at mechanics is 100% just a grind. You have to play and play and play and play and play.
minor flame
Bro bro just get some mental fortitide :)
balmy wolf
Mentality is literally changing how you act as a person, and so many of these people have just been toxic their entire lives.
hidden vault
If fate is causing a rift with the players he wouldn't be worth that much
balmy wolf
Here's a pro tip. You wanna get better at aiming and movement? Grind Tryhard FFA for an entire day.
You'd be amazed how many players that are friends legit just grind that game mode day in and day out
Ok now that makes sense lol
You're right
hidden vault
Sorry on the slow edit lol
balmy wolf
nah it's alright I was just kidding lmao
@pearl stratus I was watching old WC vods
Dude, going back and watching shit it's amazing how many things I didn't notice
Like subtle playstyles that actually were super indepth for the time
dude this is peak 2016 overwatch
Linkzr on rein 
hidden vault
Like linkzr on rein?:p
balmy wolf
I remember him... not doing bad at all
trim shadow
@little silo wasnt a rumor it was a actual trade that valiant backed out of last minute
i think it went
trade talks/rumor for a good month
something big is happening
fast forward
nothing
and then insiders talked about valiant backing out
and asking tweeting valiant broke him
or in this case being boston and valiant probbly broke him
then asking left boston academy
balmy wolf
yes and whichever you wanna learn
karmic grotto
I think Widow would be the hardest
balmy wolf
ok
echo quest
Gamsu is chill af. He handled the shit with haksal so well
tropic herald
I like Gamsu a lot
hidden vault
What shit with haksal?
echo quest
Haksal is very very very toxic
In a game he started swearing at dding and Gamsu ( he didn’t know it was them )
Gamsu just said good luck for his next game
tropic herald
Gamsu has a nice twitter
balmy wolf
haksal trash talked gamsu not knowing it was him so gamsu took him hiking
minor flame
that was pretty old news
echo quest
He diD the same thing with space,sinatraa and hydration
echo quest
Haksal does this a lot
trim shadow
gamsu is also the same guy who ran off the stage when he realized he beat vancouver
i think he was going togo hug geguri
little silo
or to praise Uni for his moral support
hybrid sage
who will win the up comeing game shanghais or san francisco?
upper hawk
Im rooting for SHD but I think realistically SF might smoke them
They made the Valiant look like scrubs
And they are far from that
little silo
hybrid sage
well SHD beat NY and van two of the best teams so that makes me think they will this one too
upper hawk
I really do hope so. Itd just be such an great storyline lol
little silo
shanghai play a different style and have a ton of momentum rn
but theyre inconsistent
so i dont know if they will show up the same way they did in the last 2 matches
hybrid sage
damn tho i remeber when shanghais never won last stage they were a meme then
little silo
But I really hope they do
upper hawk
I think it comes down to how SF counters dding
hybrid sage
as long as ding and diem perform as they did against ny and van we good
upper hawk
If they shut him down even a little itd be a huge problem for SHD
little silo
Ding, Diem and Youngjin are insane rn
Gamsu enables them really well on Ball
and Luffy isnt dying nearly as much rn
little silo
i think shanghai might have this because of their style and the momentum that they got from beating Titans and NYXL
It just comes down to Shock being able to deal with their style or not
upper hawk
Yeah and I think also SHD could roll more mobile comps
LAV insisted are taking a head on fight and Super wrecked them
hybrid sage
if SF trys to run goats they will proably have less chance beating SHG
little silo
Shanghai are built around mobile comps so i think they will want to go with that or sombra goats
hybrid sage
i want to see sf or shd try something new
drowsy harbor
pls no goats again
hybrid sage
like quad dps or something
hybrid sage
that would throw off any team
drowsy harbor
not really, goats would just roll over it
hybrid sage
arent goats weak to dmg heros
drowsy harbor
yeah, but only when the damage heroes are safe
and with no shield tank, rein's shatter is going to catch everyone
balmy wolf
so how do you think the match will turn out
hybrid sage
lol now that xqc wont play for canada they really need a good tank
little silo
Akawa seems like the only decent choice. Idk about xqc
hybrid sage
wait is xqc gonna play for cnda?
echo quest
He said he wants to
It’s concerning when a dude that doesn’t even play professionally is easily your best tank
Hell checkout the team canada tryouts last year
By map 3 Xqc was dunking on Chayne
tropic herald
xQc is interesting
Like we know he’s good
But he doesn’t show it all the time
Canada is concerning in the MT department
upper hawk
Hes doing tryouts
He said on his stream last night
So hes gonna be practicing for the next while
tropic herald
He’s in tryouts
He’s probably going to get MT whether or not he’s the best just bc his synergy and connections with other Canadian teammates
upper hawk
he does have the ability to facilitate huge plays sometimes
And then some matches hes the first to die everytime
But thats not always on the MT
karmic grotto
to replace
janus and samsam
and its best to sign a tank duo that already have synergy
tropic herald
Yeah I guess
But I’d say it was mainly Janus
Sansam played good
Maybe something else was happening
rain tendon
I just realized that the President of South Korea and Gamsu looks very alike, just 50 years apart. Like same nose, jaw, and even their glasses are kinda similar
feral wing
honestly, corey and his bubbles have seemed to be the biggest problem.
he either bubbles janus too early or too late when they are engaging
could be because janus calls for the bubble at the wrong time, but shouldnt corey have the game sense to realize that he should wait at least 1 more second?
it could also be janus thinking that corey wont bubble him immediately but rather wait for the opportune moment, who knows
worn falcon
so, SHD defeats SFS?
echo quest
Twitter
little silo
hopefully
echo quest
Totally get where he is coming from hopefully he comes back strong
little silo
yes
trim shadow
oh they were listening huh
little silo
Canada has their own caster?
echo quest
They got an ATL Analyst too
little silo
What
trim shadow
so thats why jayne posting that leaving social media twitlong
little silo
why does canada have a caster on their staff
trim shadow
jayne finally realized that social media is a cancer
outrage society
i honestly feel bad..that jayne is actually getting attacked
trim shadow
no..honestly
cause jayne has always been the over the top flamboyant kinda guy
trash talk n all
echo quest
Ngl if I was a coach I would read the post match threads and see what others say about me
Must be depressing for him when he read those
trim shadow
so is jayne still with dallas?..
being a pro player isnt just about skill its about your mental fortitude that fucking word again
how well you respond to criticism
how well you respon to defeat
how well you respond to setbacks
being famous is like
a curse
cause everyone has this perception of you to be this and that and when your not that they throw the world at you and shun you
OH NOOOO
there rolling out the guns!
little silo
sandbag against houston for this
night tusk
TDLR (might be wrong written lol) about jayne's post ?
tawny sigil
bruh sign is gonna become a meme now in the arena i'm sure
little silo
they are wearing very nice suits
dapper lantern
tldr
night tusk
tldr * 
echo fog
what's up my people
tawny sigil
oh shit, sinatraa hasn't taken a shower in a week asn't he
dapper lantern
hi Koi
trim shadow
sinatraa doing a interview but striker is on stage
little silo
...
night tusk
if striker plays it might be just one point/map
little silo
i hate it
warm kestrel
yeh
little silo
i hate that joke so much
night tusk
or they designed a comp for a team like shanghai (what was not predicted actually)
little silo
Fusions smash in best moments. really?
trim shadow
night tusk
^
tawny sigil
that angry af desk smash followed by casual hand shake
gaunt acorn
@night tusk depression, wanting to correct people online but being unable to, criticism and death threats, reading everything on social media broke him
little silo
because fusions has a good mentality
trim shadow
basically jayne more then likely didnt know how to deal with social media trolls
dapper lantern
I felt that smash/handshake
trim shadow
and he got sucked in
dapper lantern
having a mental breakdown and then having to play it off immediately after
trim shadow
sometimes you gotta say fuck the world and take care of yourself
especially with the stage dallas had
little silo
who are finals casters? monte doa?
trim shadow
all the coaches are probably being attacked
little silo
or uberx
trim shadow
and jayne is manager of team canada as well so
night tusk
@gaunt acorn thnx, so he quit streaming and youtube videos ?
tawny sigil
better be wolf and achillios man
little silo
wait achilios and wolf didnt cast yet right
tawny sigil
nope
little silo
nice
tropic herald
Wait is Striker playing?
tropic herald
That widow battle will be epic
night tusk
is OWL again on ABC ?
trim shadow
much
tawny sigil
this is only on ESPN2
little silo
Jeff "Daddy" Kaplan
tropic herald
This match better be on ABc
tawny sigil
its not
tropic herald
Dang they missed out
trim shadow
LUL FACT
little silo
FTFNGR
dapper lantern
bruh
night tusk
this is a nice recap
little silo
hey look its Drunkfran
trim shadow
dafran with that weird ass smooth cut
tawny sigil
he looks like a grimlin whenever he walk on stage
night tusk
trim shadow
dafran lowkey looks like a danish trevor
raw ermine
So shock lose to Houston, and Vancouver lose to LA Val, then in Playoffs, Shock beat Valiant and Vancouver beat Houston
Pog
little silo
the circle of suck
trim shadow
p a i d a c t o r
night tusk
idk if someone watched sideshow reaction about nyxl
it's not like their choking in playoffs but they are the best of their devision. who is the second best ? Houston 
(in playoffs you play more with teams of other devision)
oops I mean division
tawny sigil
see you next year i guess
little silo
What fresh exciting news
balmy wolf
who yall rooting for
night tusk
Shanghai
tawny sigil
only one rooting for shock is tyler
night tusk
but I predict shock to win. but I predicted NYXL and titans to win aswell
little silo
Bren my friend
trim shadow
thats a stage 4 signiing
tropic herald
*pending
trim shadow
meaning they were negoiating before the july 1st deadline
little silo
is that... an actual analysis from Bren
trim shadow
blizzard hasnt confirmed trades themselves
night tusk
echo fog
smurf is in???
south brook
Woah
raw ermine
WTF
trim shadow
38% crit striker
inland pawn
PogU
trim shadow
HERE WE GOO
raw ermine
OMFG
south brook
This is...interesting
rain tendon
Where's Nevix DX
balmy wolf
what
night tusk
what sideshow is saying. if it does not work questions will be asked. people question NYXL for not playing sbb while using him the regular stage
mint slate
sinatreaa the probable mvp is just dont
little silo
On Zarya
little silo
which means they arent planning to run a Zarya
tawny sigil
maybe they were really confident they were gonna lose control so just cheng do it
trim shadow
cause shanghai 99.9% isnt gonna run 33
little silo
so a multi dps mirror match is very likely
echo fog
Shock's player picks are either going to be a huge benefit, or a huge downfall
echo fog
Very interesting to see what shock is doing. I assume Shock are trying to adapt to Dragons playstyle seen from last 2 matches
echo quest
Yo am I tripping or Did I see striker said up
night tusk
did envy play for shanghai already ?
echo fog
Yes, and smurf
little silo
Striker Architect and Smurf
balmy wolf
honestly didnt expect shock to switch their entire lineup there
tawny sigil
and architech
echo quest
Makes sense
tropic herald
Shock pulling a Seoul
raw ermine
This is a twist
little silo
multi dps mirror
raw ermine
But its smart
little silo
very exciting
balmy wolf
and i thought this would be a bit boring
night tusk
people say pog instead of "B team"
raw ermine
play the same roster for 2 months or so, then switch it up
balmy wolf
proved me wrong right away
echo quest
Striker widow time bitches
echo fog
DPS mirror game for sure
night tusk
because I guess people missed alot of them
echo quest
Shock playing 4D chess
night tusk
rascal proved his pharah yesterday
trim shadow
bumper is still shocked
night tusk
little silo
The Sombro in the crowd
night tusk
echo fog
nervous 
vestal mortar
same
trim shadow
oo right first time chineese team into finals
sterile fox
ok so i missed the titans/dragons game what are the highlights
balmy wolf
on youtube
frozen perch
has it started yet
echo fog
not yet
balmy wolf
SOON
night tusk
emily 😮
tawny sigil
there is the shanghai v titan highlight
https://clips.twitch.tv/ComfortableFaithfulTitanHeyGuys
frozen perch
im actually excited for this one
sterile fox
thanks
frozen perch
i hope shanghai wins
sterile fox
yeah me too
tropic herald
I knew this game would be fun to watch but it just got so much more fun
balmy wolf
I hope both teams win 
night tusk
bruh
split heath
Haven’t watched Overwatch seriously for 3 stages
south brook
Same but I’m worried with those shock subs tbh
sterile fox
shock was fucking stupid vs seoul but they still won smh
dapper lantern
beeruh
tropic herald
I hope Striker Widow lives up to its hype
tawny sigil
that smurk when he sees the camera, its like "fuck, i'm being watched"
forest raven
Woke up at 5am for owl yeet
night tusk
titans f*cked gladiators so hard that I did not expect them to lose this stage
sterile fox
didn’t sleep 3 am yeet
warm quartz
alright lets see if shanghai kicks ass or chokes
vestal mortar
YEE
echo fog
little silo
Lets go
night tusk
balmy wolf
fucc I like shanghai and shock
vestal mortar
Let's goooo
balmy wolf
what do I DO
tropic herald
balmy wolf
true
split heath
SF is playing shd’s game, I think there’s no reason to believe shd don’t have a chance now
tropic herald
Either winning I’m okay with now
night tusk
trim shadow
DO IT FOR FREEFEEL ROSHAN AND UINDEAD
sterile fox
i don’t like shanghai but i don’t like san fran more let’s gooo
warm quartz
I still want what SHD was drinking to suddenly get to the finals
tawny sigil
undad
sterile fox
undad
raw ermine
Youngjin's name is Youngjin
little silo
Shanghai take my energy
raw ermine
Didn't know that...
trim shadow
make geguri proud
raw ermine
SFS take my energy
little silo
Gamsu is also called Youngjin
sterile fox
hotba’s name is hu
tropic herald
That art is so cool
worn falcon
Freefeed
split heath
Dude this poster is so sweet
tropic herald
What the emote name?
visual glen
Is it Shock's turn to play musical chairs
balmy wolf
huh
balmy wolf
goodbye alien boy
worn falcon
DPS?
balmy wolf
worn falcon
echo fog
why is smurf playing, really, it's confusing
tropic herald
Winston?
tawny sigil
sinatraa and super about to start flipping burgers after 3-3 dies
balmy wolf
korean vs korean 
supple prism
maybe just for KOTH in a dps comp
sterile fox
7 FUCKING MAPS
night tusk
screaming girl is not in front seat xd
trim shadow
right they all speak 1 language now right
sterile fox
i intended to sleep today
tawny sigil
tyler is not in the arena
trim shadow
iits first to 4 @sterile fox
tropic herald
This is going to be a 7 map series
timber coral
Hidden strat or throwing 🤔
night tusk
Striker tracer 😮
echo fog
tracer 
?
balmy wolf
vestal mortar
dapper lantern
STRIKER TRACER
STRIKER TRACER
sterile fox
luffy pog cmon
echo fog
DDING AND DIEM ALREADY