Hero Ban is fine when there's enough overlap for it to work.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
tropic herald
There’s always going to be a meta so nothing you can really do
upper niche
GOATS would be fine if there were compositions that destroyed it AND something else wrecked that comp.. but that's not really what we have. We have these compositions where for the most part, all you can do is mirror it, so you can't play anything but that comp.
minor flame
every hero is too distinct to ban
uneven wren
it still feels the meta is shifting naturally
opal spruce
222 also brings mirror anyway, cause it'll be dive into dive or drive or into bunker constantly
upper niche
But yeah hero bans are a really silly idea as far as ideas I've heard as 'solutions' go.
uneven wren
3 supports looks like meta still but at least there's a shift towards dps
pearl stratus
Since almost no teams in the league play Goats well enough to stop it.
idle beacon
@upper niche well shd destroys goats
tropic herald
Next stage wouldn’t even have much GOATs without 222
pearl stratus
People were just too stupid to try it.
minor flame
the problem with Goats
is not the exact comp itself
its that the teams skill gaps are
just heightened
alot more
pearl stratus
Playing into trash goats like Florida, Atlanta, Philly, London, everyteambutShockandVancouver
upper niche
Goats could have been completely nerfed if they had just nerfed heal-stacking. Without heal-stacking, goats would not exist.
pearl stratus
They had counters.
minor flame
if Season 1 was all mechanical play
Season 2 is both mechanical play and heavy teamwork
supple prism
yea the skill gap suddenly dropped in stage 3
pearl stratus
Just no teams actually tried it.
upper niche
In fact, if they nerfed heal-stacking, it would enable goats compositions - but you would simply not be able to play it clustered.
tropic herald
Spark haven’t lost a map 5 wow
pearl stratus
The gap didn't drop.
Teams just kind of realized everyone in the league is shit at 3:3.
trim shadow
I mea
minor flame
the teams just didnt stick to goats and played what theyre good at
trim shadow
Mean*
idle beacon
why would you nerf heal stacking?
pearl stratus
So you can break shit 3:3 with better comps of other things.
minor flame
the teams started realizing
trim shadow
remember that shatter bomb combo on rialto new york v washingtom?
trim shadow
With the boop
uneven wren
even the titans are shifting off of 3-3
upper niche
Thing about goats is that it requires precision ability management and communication.
trim shadow
They have to?
pearl stratus
Because Houston does too.
upper niche
And all it takes is for one thing to break that chain of ability management to make it all collapse.
pearl stratus
People also don't account for map pool often enough.
Stage 3 doesn't have a great goats map pool altogether.
Which helps contribute.
upper niche
I remember a day where everyone complained about the lack of variety of OW maps. Now we're realising it's too much for some new players to learn.
pearl stratus
More-so that different maps require different things.
Look at LAG's Paris Defense.
That -only- works on Paris.
uneven wren
the only good goats map is eichenwalde
pearl stratus
Actually Rialto.
uneven wren
maybe watchpoint but eh
pearl stratus
You can do points A and B with DPS on Eich.
minor flame
??
pearl stratus
Very easily.
upper niche
Yeah. I think that's really important that different maps require a variety of strategies.
uneven wren
rialto can have dps easily
upper niche
If every map could be played with the same strat, why bother having different maps?
tropic herald
Only really last point Rialto needs GOATs
tropic herald
Havana
minor flame
yeah thats because point c follows a pattern of being indoors
uneven wren
everything else can have different comps
upper niche
Rialto C, Blizzardworld C, Eichenwalde C - they're all pretty similar in how they reward GOATS.
uneven wren
havana is weird by itself
minor flame
and very linear
pearl stratus
Rialto is corner hump city, its the one map that had the most mirrors if you're playing a real goats team.
tropic herald
Havana is backwards
pearl stratus
Please note real goats team.
minor flame
Havana is literally made to not be goats
pearl stratus
Not Florida or Philly or some dumpster fire.
minor flame
at this point
Havana is a weird sniper ville
its kinda like Junkertown
but less shitty
pearl stratus
If nothing else it was nice finding out how many super stars of Stage 1 are hard throws if they have to learn anything new.
Yay bad coaches!
uneven wren
aka most dps playing zarya and brig this season
minor flame
honestly goats came in like a truck
because it seems like every team had fucking comatose
and they took 3 stages to wake up
pearl stratus
"What do you mean we have to develop our players?"
Crusty: "Hold my beer."
Aero: "Zach is fine, he's my baby."
minor flame
kinda glad that Goats happened
uneven wren
oh god this danny q&a
minor flame
because now the skill cap is way higher
uneven wren
teamwork has been a lot more improved
pearl stratus
Imagine being Carpe.
Stage 1 you're the Widow. You're the clutch.
Goats come in.
balmy wolf
team coordination and communication has scaled a lot higher due to goats
pearl stratus
You're literally a babys diaper.
You're a horrible Zarya.
Oh god your Sombra is just as bad.
minor flame
like looking back at Season 1
pearl stratus
Oh hey you're playing Shanghai and you can play Widow.
minor flame
it wasnt even that better
balmy wolf
fusion - "What's coordination?"
pearl stratus
Diem exists.
pearl stratus
Story of Carpe in Season 2.
balmy wolf
ahhh pine with 4k's out of nowhere
pearl stratus
You know all I remember out of Pine?
100% honesty.
Him being so insanely overrated because of two Ilios maps.
Then when they played Shanghai Diya literally fucked Pine into the ground.
And won like 7-2 in the sniper battle against him.
forest raven
l i t e r a l l y
balmy wolf
we all know pine is inconsistent, but watching him pop off is always a joy to see
pearl stratus
It was Route 66, and Pine swapped off Widow. I remember it fondly.
minor flame
I want Diya to make a comeback but with Diem and Dding
both him and Youngjin are fucked next stage
I think it would actually be cool to experiment with Ashe
a OWL level Ashe is still something ive yet to see
uneven wren
poor diya he's only played 1 map this season
pearl stratus
Diya played it, honestly. And well.
balmy wolf
ashe is pretty potent in a bunker set up
forest raven
Bean go watch clips of surefour playing ashe
balmy wolf
@forest raven ladder doesn't count
pearl stratus
Not ladder.
forest raven
She's not played in owl but seeing him play her is fuckin awesome
pearl stratus
Ladder is like Usain Bolt racing against paraplegics in comparison.
forest raven
And yeah ik he means pro but Ashe being used at the pro level doesn't exist so I'm providing the next best thing
pearl stratus
Not that Surefour isn't good at her, I know he is. It's just.. false hope? I guess.
minor flame
OWL level doesnt translate well from GM level
pearl stratus
Like watching Doom play on ladder then watching like.. Youngjin fuck around and get out at 12 HP is so different.
Chad in for a kill or two, get out at no health.
gaunt minnow
As NYXL fan, sad season this year.
minor flame
Coma and Luffy were hard mvping Youngjin and Dding
theres been alot of times where they saved the fuck outta someone
pearl stratus
Luffy has had huge improvement over the season.
BluHAS and his staff are really solid coaches.
Luffy's support play, Gamsu's Rein play, the comps and swaps, etc. They clearly invest their time smartly.
echo quest
People probably think Pine is good because he managed to kill Carpe twice at the end of dorado in the playoffs
Lol
balmy wolf
uhhhh no
pearl stratus
@balmy wolf Is Packing10 legit? He seems like a solid developmental guy with his AT history to now, but I can't get a read off of him with all the shit LAV went through.
balmy wolf
people think hes good for making the most wacky plays
echo quest
Isn’t he their stand in head coach?
minor flame
Ashe is probably the most skill based hero that isnt played at all in OWL
so if a team actually plays her id be happy asf
pearl stratus
He's basically on trial right now, yeah, but he comes from Angry Titans.
minor flame
I know Chengdu used Baconjack on her for like a short time
pearl stratus
And it'd be nice to have another decent western development coach.
echo quest
Leave gonna go to chengdu 100%
balmy wolf
pretty much
echo quest
His MY bois are there
balmy wolf
leave would never join a team that wasn't MY
pearl stratus
I was being facetious.
balmy wolf
im surprised he came out of retirement for the world cup
echo quest
Wait your telling me doesn’t q from China to NA?
minor flame
IDK is very underrated overall
echo quest
He*
minor flame
people like to say about Slime and Moth but IDK has been such a gem in Spark
pearl stratus
He's lived in the Chengdu house for like.. 8 months.
balmy wolf
waiting to turn 18....
echo quest
Best player outside of OWL imo
forest raven
You mean 42 year old overwatch prodigy sugarfree?
balmy wolf
twilight for me
echo quest
Scrim god good choice
gaunt acorn
twilight or haksal
balmy wolf
hard to say
forest raven
Haksal brig god
balmy wolf
then again slime is also a monster
echo quest
Hooreg has the best accolades for a player
balmy wolf
he clutched against NY in stage 2 playoffs
forest raven
Hooreg has won 5 championships
echo quest
^
forest raven
Or titles, at least
balmy wolf
too bad he's a bench player
echo quest
Would have the championship if he wasn’t cut
balmy wolf
im hoping to god Kaiser gets pick up for season 3
echo quest
He was great against FU
balmy wolf
his team also beat element mystic
echo quest
NYXL let Mano down
tropic herald
Fusion next year is gonna be scary
balmy wolf
if they make the right changes
echo quest
They will 100%
tropic herald
Yes
forest raven
Philly's gonna have alarm
echo quest
Also buy Paijon back from Vancouver
balmy wolf
he's the head coach right?
balmy wolf
that aint gonna happen
tropic herald
I think NY might need some coaching staff changes
tropic herald
Yeah
tropic herald
They might be looking at the overall playoffs instead
jagged crater
they just completely went back to standard goats
pearl stratus
Because letting Dding be even more uncontested would have been smooth brain.
jagged crater
standard goats other teams barely playing
pearl stratus
"Hey this Pharah and Widow is fucking us. We should bench D'va."
jagged crater
the meta shift in stage 3 has been pretty sharp
never seen a meta shift so fast without a balance patch
tropic herald
I guarantee if NY was Pacific they wouldn’t be doing as great
If you are good Atlantic division boosts you
cough Houston cough
pearl stratus
Well yeah, people think SBB Sombra was doing well.
When they literally played one of the easiest schedules in Stage 3.
balmy wolf
getting outplayed by taimou
tropic herald
SBB Sombra was alright but it could be so much better
tropic herald
It averaged out
pearl stratus
It's pretty shaky, and they never played a dps comp team or another strong 3:2:1 team for the entirely of the stage.
tropic herald
Some games it was pretty decent others it was not
echo quest
@balmy wolf why not? money talks and Philly has a lot
balmy wolf
titans also have money
echo quest
not as much as fusions
balmy wolf
more than enough to keep their coach in
pearl stratus
They almost lost to Houston, then London --> Paris --> London --> Fuel --> Florida --> NYXL.
echo quest
@balmy wolf how do you know?
pearl stratus
As a coach I'd rather have less pay and coach for a real org.
Better for the long term career to not be part of a pile of shit.
pearl stratus
Their academy team is run better than their OWL team. Really all you need to know.
echo quest
their academy teamed will also be moved up next season
balmy wolf
Fusion as an org has money, but their badly run
echo quest
I would take the money 10/10
pearl stratus
Yeah but some people prefer being successful.
echo quest
thats true
balmy wolf
its not about the money, its about legacy and future jobs
pearl stratus
I mean taking the money after FU worked so well for Aero.
tropic herald
Atlantic division is pretty pepega lol
tropic herald
Aero PepeLaugh
echo quest
I think we can all agree Wizard is the goat finessed Washington
tropic herald
More like Zacharee’s dick rider
echo quest
sucks dpei didnt get HC for team USA
balmy wolf
The titans head coach can practically go to any team he wants with whatever salary he wants since titans are doing so well.
pearl stratus
I honestly feel bad for Zach, because a real coach could have (most likely) fixed his Brig issues etc.
tropic herald
Why is Aero even head coach?
echo quest
you telling me jayne isnt a real coach? I saw his insane level of youtube analysis
balmy wolf
Zach can't even leave DF since no one will pick him up again
pearl stratus
I mean Aero doesn't have a horrible resume for a coach, he just got a huge front page boom being on the FU for an undefeated season.
echo quest
he could go back to Contenders for a season. Look at Snillo he hasd expanded his heropool
pearl stratus
If you look at just the resume he's coached LAV and Houston, if you want to be super simple about it.
Coached Immortals through the Winter Cup, then FNRFGE or whatever it was.
balmy wolf
He's got the talent to coach well, but for whatever reason it ain't working
echo quest
that was so long ago tho
echo quest
ah kk
pearl stratus
My honest guess is he's probably a strategic coach, and has no clue on talent development.
echo quest
I would pay a lot for RUI imo
pearl stratus
And neither does his assistants.
pearl stratus
Mask
balmy wolf
thx
tropic herald
Mask
balmy wolf
Dude turn his team around
tropic herald
That’s a good coach
hidden vault
WHAT IS JAYNE?!?
echo quest
a troll
pearl stratus
The coaches I keep an eye on are ones like Dpei, Rui, BluHAS, Pajion. Ones where the teams have played different things and played into their strengths.
balmy wolf
and the staff really helped improve adora
hidden vault
Lmao
echo quest
Haksal isnt good at brig
tropic herald
Jayne is thiccc
pearl stratus
If you ever want a good read.
echo quest
actual dumbass
pearl stratus
Go back to last year.
pearl stratus
And read his tweets around China's OWWC team before they played.
10/10 would read again.
hidden vault
Jayne?
pearl stratus
Yep.
tropic herald
What did he say
hidden vault
Arhh
pearl stratus
He basically underestimated every part of dissecting them.
echo quest
@pearl stratus did you see his review of team china's play? he literally would call them out on every single thing lmao even
pearl stratus
Then China stomped Canada like they were an open division team.
All those OWL players and they were getting destroyed by little chinese bloodthirsters.
hidden vault
What did leave do to him lol
tropic herald
Didn’t a lot of people underestimate China
balmy wolf
Well china got put on the map thanks to the world cup
balmy wolf
the talent pool there is unreal
echo quest
watch CN contenders entertaining af
pearl stratus
Pure highlight reel.
echo quest
they dont play goats at all lmao
pearl stratus
They did for a little bit, they just went to other things faster.
balmy wolf
In CN contenders, there's a dude who's literally a sombra one trick streamer who won contenders
tropic herald
Anyone else think Paris chose bad EU players
echo quest
Team china is easily the second best team in the world cup this year
balmy wolf
@tropic herald everyone does expect maybe 2
tropic herald
Well Kruise is fine
pearl stratus
None of them are individually bad.
It's similar to Philly.
It's a talented roster.
tropic herald
But the tank line is my main issue
pearl stratus
They just can't play together for shit.
Phillys teamwork is about as strong as comcasts internet service.
balmy wolf
most teams aren't willing to poach full squads anymore so AT couldn't get in
pearl stratus
I don't think AT would have done well, anyway.
In hindsight look how the gauntlet went.
pearl stratus
I think Diem was a better pick up than Decay.
tropic herald
Diem was def better
pearl stratus
And at the time Fearless was fine.
echo quest
sucks with 2-2-2 coming
pearl stratus
Going to laugh if the 2-2-2 lock goes through
And the viewership just continues to tank.
Because no ones going to want to watch CV mirrors.
tropic herald
I don’t think it would be CV mirrors
Bc even a lot of OWL teams can’t coordinate that well
pearl stratus
It'll be CV and double sniper with Orissa.
echo quest
wasnt viewership at 60k this time of year,last year or Am I tripping ?
pearl stratus
Because double sniper orissa doesn't require coordination at all.
balmy wolf
watching CV play out is fucking cancer
tropic herald
Viewership will go down
But the closer we get to grand finals it should go up again
pearl stratus
I'd rather watch Amouranth dance for six hours straight while being sodomized by a cactus than watch CV.
echo quest
they'll be lower viewership whenever weaker teams play nothing you can do about that
tulip ridge
Do you guys mean Clockwork V for "CV"?
forest raven
Yes
pearl stratus
Yeah, its worse viewer wise than Goats.
Bunker based comps, by design, are the worst things visually.
tropic herald
Orisa in general is not fun
drowsy harbor
im so happy shanghai beat nyxl for once
balmy wolf
pretty good turnaround after losing to charge
hope they put up a good fight against titans
echo quest
NYXL have world class dps but dont run triple dps
karmic grotto
nyxl be like: this is the best comp you need to run and why, you absolutely can not play anything else
north beacon
This SHD redemption arc is my favorite part of OWL
severe junco
shock beat dynasty, valiant beat spark, titans over dragons, valiant over shock, valiant over titans.
Stage Playoffs: exist
NYXL: WARNING CHOKING HAZARD
severe junco
I believe in the meme
severe junco
oh don't get me wrong
I 100% believe spark will beat the life out of the valiant
but I'm just going for the 3 trillion IQ reads at this point
crisp willow
I hope to god that Michelle is on Sombra
And like they're not playing goats or even sombra goats
balmy wolf
I feel like im being too harsh on nenne but I just don’t like him as a player
He’s flexible but he’s not flexible in the area that counts. I’m easier on libero on this perspective cause he always was “yea I’ll flex to whatever. Pine, sbb just do your own thing and do well”
Nenne meanwhile I can’t help but remember his fuck ups
hidden vault
Nenne is a better zarya then them
balmy wolf
He is but that’s still not enough imo
@pearl stratus idk enough about him to make a solid judgment
karmic grotto
Nenne?
crisp willow
I still don't know why they benched SBB
balmy wolf
Probs didn't trust his sombra, its hit or miss.
Wouldn't really matter anyway, they still lose against titans, spark, and probs LA even with sbb sombra.
It didn’t have the carry potential. And at least with meko you know you have a competent dva player
Why do you think they kept running floats and or dive
Either way NY has been shaky this entire stage.
Yep
Didnt help that everyone severely overrated sbb sombra
Actually both Atlantic teams got knock out.
Because everyone in ATL is bottom 10.
Both NY and Houston got in playoffs due to easy schedules.
I would argue Houston did by playing their minds out with the shit amount of resources they had
They played against 5 bottom tier teams.
Nyxl did by carrying sbb and playing well coordinated as they do
Yea ik but remember they semselves are a bottom tier team
So competition was more or less fair
Which is why they had no chance against titans.
Same thing with DF last stage.
hidden vault
They beat shock
balmy wolf
Fluke.
That was one of the times they played out of their minds. Danteh performed incredibly, linkzr performed hot, and rawkus looked better than I had ever seen him
It was a once in a blue moon type thing
They used a meta shift to their favor and caught shock off guard.
You can’t really say that either because there was no patch changes. This was houston basically going “fuck goats” they literally caused this meta shift
Either way houston and NY regular season didn't mean anything if they faced against bad teams.
I mean NY almost became the laughing stock of the league by almost losing to the fuel.
Pacific division is stack and NY can't match that.
I put NY defeat mainly on Nenne, Meko, and SBB. One of these guys has to play Sombra well and none of them could
I mean yea sure you can blame some members, but collectively the whole squad needs to improve.
Or their gonna lose in season playsoffs like last time.
There is nothing more Libero, Jjonak, or Mano could do to improve more
Mano is honestly tied for best main tank, jjonak is insane in general, and libero is doing his job and flexing to whatever he can.
Nenne whifs gravs and or just cant swap to what the team needs
Meko is a good dva but he cant swap off dva to sombra which is an issue
Sbb was given a chance and just could not meet expectations
Legit I do not see how Mano or Jjonak could improve anymore that would be humanly possible. They operate on seemingly the smallest margins of error
Well they can improve not getting mentally boomed as much.
Stage play offs I think this time around was just their choice to put in meko instead of SBB. I don’t think I’ve ever seen jjonak ir mano truly ever like tilt off the face of earth cause of prior losses or bad games with the exception of Atlanta
They keep a decent poker face.
But it's there.
Wonder if they have a psychologist?
With how much they are likely making
Very likely they have one
Theyre one of the most popular and well funded teams
Sports psychologists are pretty normal
balmy wolf
They choke during play offs
severe junco
like, they get boomed when the stakes get big
balmy wolf
More like fear of failure perhaps.
They failed stage 4 and finals cause they sandbagged super hard and got fucked because of it
It's quite normal.
They won two prior stages in season 1
But people perpetuating that they choke is likely not helping their mentality
Muma does this too.
balmy wolf
He'll slowly get worse with every loss.
severe junco
I think Muma's problem is he's talented, but he's easily tilted.
severe junco
if he starts getting tilted, he just snowballs
severe junco
Outlaws did not have a fun day
balmy wolf
That was impressive by stitch
quick slate
playoffs 7-15 #everupward
balmy wolf
I am also extremely still disappointed by the gladiators
Stitch is one scary dude.
Horizion will forever stay with my mind
Quad dps and duo healer and you still fucking lost
Stitch is like
That was sad to see.
Profit
Just an extraordinary talent on dps
severe junco
Honestly, I'm more disappointed in the fact that Titans got away with shit they really shouldn't have
balmy wolf
They really do get in the minds of the teams they fight against
Well quad dps does work well against bunker.
severe junco
I want to say that's why valiant won, but i'm not 100% sure
balmy wolf
Even more so if they don't expect it.
Thats on the impression that their is a ball and solo heal mercy
Not what ppl would consider the quickplay comp
severe junco
honestly, the reason why titans win a lot of team fights is people use ults to drop the fight to a 4v6, and then the Titans use ults to stall so that the two get back and then it's back to a 6v6
balmy wolf
Titans will push the limit of what their hero can do.
severe junco
titans ability to do that is why i'm very... precautious of 2/2/2 lock for the titans
balmy wolf
Also outlaws were just not targeting twilight at all.
balmy wolf
Their dps are top tier
Their trust and peel for eachother is only equivalent to that of NYXL
And most of their players are genuinely top tier. Twilight is a top tier support and jjanu is the best dva in the league
severe junco
only time can tell
balmy wolf
Stitch is a monster hitscan.
balmy wolf
Nenne supposedly can play widow and he did in the pre game shows
But smh
Never pulls it out
NYXL just feels so static
severe junco
titans' trust is strong
balmy wolf
Titans is like Freiza after you beat up one of his forms
NY are like old titans rn, not willing to go off course.
He just goes to the next
I dont think theyre not willing
But genuinely unable
severe junco
NYXL are between a rock and a hard place
severe junco
they're gonna get boomed harder in the future
NYXL may trust each other
but they're too easily tilted
especially by the stakes
balmy wolf
NYXL problem is with their dps roster
Sbb is good at two heroes based on what I’ve seen in season 1
Tracer and widow
Pine is only good at hitscan but is inconsistent
Nenne just smh cause I’ve only seen him play zarya
Flower i dont think played
Libero is just always in cause you want someone with viable and well proven flexibility
little silo
nenne has played a bit of widow (mostly against London) and looked good on her
balmy wolf
Yea but seemingly he doesn’t want or the team doesn’t wanna run any dps comp that seemingly isnt sombra winston goats
umbral bone
How do I watch the games
Usually it would be there in the owl tab in game but idk y it isn’t there
little silo
Because they start later
pearl stratus
Anyone thinking Titans won't still be monsters in 2-2-2 just has very little actual Overwatch knowledge, or its contained just to OWL when they started watching.
Runaway has been through every meta, and done relatively well in all of them.
little silo
Titans will be Monsters without a doubt
pearl stratus
And they've already made moves (in picking up a better Winston tank) to cover the small issues they have.
little silo
does Stitch play Widow?
pearl stratus
Yes.
little silo
I have no idea how good his Widow is but its probably amazing
pearl stratus
When Runaway played Team SK last OWWC he was pretty much 1:1 with Carpe for the entire match.
I don't think you'll see any Diem/Happy/Striker level craziness out of him, but he's consistent and should not disappoint.
little silo
I cant imagine a meta where the Titans wont be at least top 5
raw hawk
pearl stratus
There currently is one where they wouldn't do well.
karmic grotto
Technically, Korea hasn't played for months
pearl stratus
But if the smooth brains get their wish, it won't matter.
karmic grotto
And Runaway came straight out of contenders finale
pearl stratus
And thats 3 DPS.
balmy wolf
Striker is not a good widow
Happy hasnt looked astonishing this stage with it either
Diem has been nutty
Very much a diem carpe now
little silo
striker not a good widow?
pearl stratus
Casual viewer only saw season 1 probably.
Doesn't realize Striker has done nothing but grind Widow for eight months.
And is now a monster.
little silo
his crit accuracy is like 36%
pearl stratus
It's scarier now.
I think his Papago account is up to 38/39% with about 1000 hours now.
little silo
also shock has better coaches and better players than boston last season so theres no way he wont look better on Widow than last season
balmy wolf
With the exception of the shock and shanghai
Do any of the original teams feel weaker or stagnant to you guys?
little silo
pretty much the entire atlantic division
balmy wolf
Tell me again why are they doing something as stupid as a division line up
Like for what purpose could you possibly have
uneven wren
geolocation
balmy wolf
To do it
uneven wren
for next season
balmy wolf
I really dont understand why they do it now when they could just implement it next season
It makes no sense now when all the players live in LA
uneven wren
i heard something about blizzard saying they wanted to set up the divisions now to get a sense of who plays who more next season
or something like that
little silo
will they have pacific and atlantic play in seperate regions then?
balmy wolf
But that doesn’t matter tho
little silo
or will they do homestands all the time
balmy wolf
Cause there is constant roster and org changes
Like shanghai now is not at all shanghai last season
uneven wren
no homestands just home and away games
little silo
what i mean is that you will have games at a different arena every week
uneven wren
it's just straight home and away games like traditional sports
little silo
but how do you implement that in an international league
balmy wolf
I hate that idea honestly. Homestands are great like per stage but every game is going to be too much
uneven wren
owl has travel plans set up for teams that stay in an area mass for a time ex: play all away games in china for a period of time
the season will at least be more spread out in terms of days instead of being clustered into thursday-sunday games i hope
little silo
lets hope that they manage to set up a reasonable system
uneven wren
i like the idea cause i finally get to watch titans home games live
balmy wolf
I imagine the exhaustion is gonna hit them. A new environment as well as long travel times will probably affect performance and I’m not too keen about there being less games
echo quest
Striker was a decent widow in S1 lol
balmy wolf
He pulled it out again in stage 1 and looked like ass
Then they swapped him out an never touched him again this stage
And I do not expect them to sub him in until maybe stage 4
They’re not gonna pull an NYXL and play a player who hasn’t played all stage
balmy wolf
We’ll probably know by the end of stage 3
So like sunday
If not then I am a happy guy. I really wanna know how the new dva and mccree changes affect things
trim shadow
Probably during the break
And hero 31 is delayed apperantly
As ive said before
You can bus from atlanta to miami
You can bus from philly to Boston
It only takes a good 6 hours flying from la to shanghai
Theyll get there 4-5 days before the game
And probably stay homestand style
Then go back home
balmy wolf
Would they bus? I’d imagine they’d fly
If any team would bus it would be either houston and or florida
trim shadow
dallas is in the interior next to louisiana right?
And houston is further down towards the coast
How is that not a 3 hour ride?
balmy wolf
It is a 4-6 hour trek depending on traffic and houston drivers are notoriously bad as if not worse than LA traffic
trim shadow
laughs in atlanta traffic
They honestly need to change the divisions
But more specifcally dallas and someone else needs to switch
Think it was london
Its far easier to travel in america
Then it is in shanghai to seoul or shanghai to london
balmy wolf
Or just cancel and have every stage have 2 homestands or so
trim shadow
Where its easier to reach fans
Its nots smart to have city based teams and not have them play in there city
Most fans cant afford a 2 way to la
It also builds a relationship with the city
Youd be suprised not alot of ppl know about owl until it gets to there citie
balmy wolf
Gimme an example where that is true
Cause i have never met somebody who didnt know of traditional sports without a team being there. I’ve never heard anyone who’s never heard of american football until their city developed a team
tropic herald
I think there would need to be more teams outside of America before it would be reasonable for everyone to play home games
balmy wolf
Theyre not making any new teams apparently
tropic herald
Yeah
But there’s such a spread of teams
EU home games would suck bc they are so far out compared to the rest and there only 2 of them
naive garden
They're not making any new teams for next season, There could still be more teams added after next season
They want to make sure that the league can succeed in their home cities next year before they expand again
minor island
why was nenne on sombra
balmy wolf
Cause he their flex dps
And meko couldny
And they realized that SBB wasnt gonna be able to do enough on sombra probably in scrims or so
tropic herald
Nenne is a pretty good all around hitscan so it makes sense for him to Sombra
balmy wolf
Playing a mccree, soldier, widow, and ashe is very different from playing sombra
tropic herald
Yea but he also plays Zarya which is more similar aiming to Sombra
echo quest
@trim shadow a direct flight from LA to Shanghai is 13hours lmao
Where did you get 6?
trim shadow
Close enough
echo quest
Not really
trim shadow
I was thinking of japan
Anddd my brain said asia thats a good 6 hours
Pacific isnt that fucking big
echo quest
It’s 11 hours from Tokyo to LA lol
trim shadow
Close enough
jagged crater
mac-cree
tawny sigil
surprised there isn't 20 peoples in here saying "HOW DID SHANGHAI WIN"
balmy wolf
They should’ve subbed in pine
He could’ve simply dealt with dding pharah as well as diem widow
Wouldn't make a difference
tawny sigil
Every team is victim of the "BUT THAT'S WHAT WE PRACTICED" symdrom
houston proved that playing something you did not practice, can win you a match
balmy wolf
XD
pearl stratus
He's the flashiest widow they have, but not the best one.
balmy wolf
If he can get better and more consistent I wouldnt mind
Nenne and libero can flex but they arent like outstanding on dps they flex on besides like libero on pharah I guess
Nenne has not wow’d me on any dps he has actually played
pearl stratus
Pine is literally named after the material used to make the bench just for him.
balmy wolf
You can say that about every dps on OWL they are literally world class but that doesnt mean there arent ppl who do the job better. Nenne hasnt been astounding on tracer and he pulled widow out once and either on the coach for not letting them swap off sombra goats or regular goats
echo quest
He literally has no play time on Dps so how can you judge?
minor island
sbb
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus you wanna know a fun fact?
Ashe is seeing more playtime than widow currently in scrims
pearl stratus
If D'va is still seeing play rate drops it makes sense, thats really her biggest bottling factor.
And she still has one shot during boost.
tawny sigil
only took 3 years for dva pick rate to not be 99%
never understood why for every other hero. if their pick rate was higher than 50%, that was a problem, but DVA having 99% is totally fine
trim shadow
Well dva recently got a range nerf on d matrix so
tulip ridge
Was it needed tho?
But then again Blizzard needed to nerf goats, and this was sort of like the blow to D.VA's importance in the pro scene
crisp willow
More reasons to play Sombra Goats
trim shadow
Ana gets a boost since d matrix is shroter
balmy wolf
Dva just shut down a lot of characters from using their full potential
Since the matrix range was so damn long
wide heron
okay okay
balmy wolf
Her pick rate was so high due to her having so much utility compared to the other 2 off tanks
@pearl stratus dva still sees a lot of play but its more so the multi-dps + having good cover w/ orisa that makes dva less valuable as an anti-hitscan
tawny sigil
wide heron
i was 2-0 yesterday on predictions
ill do it again
shock and LA
shock 3-1
LA 3-2
wait
shock 3-0
balmy wolf
Who knows maybe seoul actually uses a sombra comp this time
wide heron
nah
trim shadow
They danced with nyxl
wide heron
NY beat NY
balmy wolf
Think violet is gonna run with an moria instead of an ana?
trim shadow
hidden vault
@trim shadow there is, during deathball
trim shadow
Ill clap if valiant takes a map
The rainbow boys dont stand a chance against mc@anime
wide heron
i mena
they lost 3-2 to spark last week
when they shoulda won
and their sombra goats is better
balmy wolf
depends
hidden vault
Yes
night tusk
I guess zunba have the biggest struggle since michelle and sombra
like geguri right now haha
night tusk
!players seoul
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
night tusk
no fissure
calm holly
Can you do that for any team?
night tusk
yes
night tusk
my favorite player in seoul
night tusk
yes
so now without fissure and jehong less playtime xd
was not able to watch the last matches really good but I hear/saw that marve1 did peform
raw ermine
Super=feeder
balmy wolf
i cant be the only one thinkin benbest be lookin like a snack
tawny sigil
what does that even mean
when you start to think other fellow humans start to look edible, you have a problem
calm holly
!players toronto
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
calm holly
oo
balmy wolf
i mean if benbest would let me i'd def eat his ass
i mean im not usually one for french food but ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
pastel grove
so i haven't been watching owl for most of this stage other than getting tokens
wtf has happened to philly
raw ermine
Gods Bathwater
balmy wolf
id be up for it
warm quartz
balmy wolf
I wonder if violet is gonna run ana this time against sombra
sterile fox
wtf is that music
gaunt acorn
their walkout theme
sterile fox
disgusting
raw ermine
Super a mercy main?
sullen berry
!players charge
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
raw ermine
Slambulance
sullen berry
still waiting on that tank buff
sterile fox
what tank buff
clear crane
shock shud stop playing 3-3
tawny sigil
GROS MICHELLE
raw ermine
Shock use 5 ults and loses
gaunt acorn
they can't kill the pharah 
raw ermine
wtf
clear crane
slambulance
raw ermine
And they have EMP
sterile fox
flashbacks to yesterday’s game
gaunt acorn
pog
balmy wolf
I dont get why they run moria
tawny sigil
Shock needs to realize that goats is no longer meta
balmy wolf
such a dumb pick
raw ermine
Really good ult management from Seoul
sterile fox
i don’t get why they don’t just pick a hitscan
like bruh zarya ain’t doin shit to pharah
sullen berry
still, zarya has some decent range
sterile fox
moira triple tank
gaunt acorn
i am loving every minute of this
echo quest
Yikes
clear crane
quad tank haha
forest raven
Someone better at the game than me explain the philosophy behind running quad tank into seoul's comp
sterile fox
they are infected by nyxl
clear crane
omg they won a fight
gaunt acorn
good job shock you didn't get 200%-0%'d
raw ermine
F
clear crane
GO BACK TO DPS
sterile fox
amazing emp
molten skiff
Did seoul win?
gaunt acorn
tied on first map
raw ermine
No
tawny sigil
pepega las luces
molten skiff
Wait what
gaunt acorn
1-1 on oasis
raw ermine
They shouldn't have banked on building the EMP
molten skiff
Is this the first match
gaunt acorn
yup
sterile fox
not gonna lie i can hook better than rascal
sullen berry
can't believe mines worked against seoul
gaunt acorn
damn dude go pro
forest raven
Shock's gone from babo to chad in about two minutes, making quad tank work on city centre
sullen berry
marvel hammond pog
tropic herald
They are running slambulance?
tropic herald
Literal chads
sterile fox
i literally never watched these teams ever but i feel connected to seoul
forest raven
Shock used 5 ults to get the point on university then won the round from 0-100
Now they're actually winning with slambulance on city fucking centre
tropic herald
Imagine playing tank heavy comps and a high ground based map and winning
proven saddle
nit yet
sullen berry
michelle and marvel
sterile fox
ooh
sullen berry
their hp just HANGING BY A THREAD
sterile fox
damn this is why fits is my favorite youtuber
clear crane
dang
gaunt acorn
@forest raven 
minor flame
thats gg
raw ermine
this is kinda comical
forest raven
Look man they were doing okay for a second there
gaunt acorn
let's go dude
tawny sigil
mah boiz the dynasties
minor flame
I dont think Shock has still learned how to counter emp
raw ermine
Grav9
uneven wren
LET'S GO DUDE
clear crane
shock doesnt even attempt to counter sombra or dps comps...
sullen berry
Shatter9
uneven wren
rascal handed fits like 60-70% emp charge
gaunt acorn
sombra comps tilt super into oblivion
clear crane
they have a pretty good sombra in architech... play him over choi cause dva is being phased out anyways
gaunt acorn
he can't think straight
minor flame
learns how to domiante Shanghai
gaunt acorn
all his mind fixed upon it
sterile fox
tfw not pro people know what to do better than pro people aka every owl game
minor flame
Seoul Sombra 3 dps *
sullen berry
sinatraa's alien brain can't carry this goats comp
proven saddle
lul
balmy wolf
fits got like 30% ult charge from a melee
sterile fox
well it was a good melee
minor flame
to playing slambulance badly into seoul sombra
sterile fox
he put his seoul in it
tawny sigil
free walking sponsors
balmy wolf
that fight was won because of the melee charge
minor flame
39 seconds roadhog lmao
hey guys this is playoffs
lets put rascal on roadhog
lol
NYXL choking syndrome
clear crane
oooo fleta pharah
minor flame
Baptiste is legit the shittiest hero to 1v1
clear crane
not brig?
raw ermine
Rascal popping off
minor flame
dude
uneven wren
now fleta is brig
minor flame
Baptiste gets a free 250 immortality
and a self heal
ok now Seoul playing pepega mode
gaunt acorn
seoul look confused
forest wharf
is stream laggy for anyone else?
gaunt acorn
nope
minor flame
hey guys we just saw fits on the payload like 6 seconds ago
do we wanna
hide our supports?
no?
ok
forest wharf
cant put it on 1080p or it freezes every 5 secs
sterile fox
look at how fits ulted
sterile fox
nonono
balmy wolf
violet will just not run ana at all
sterile fox
dva was shooting him from the left
proven saddle
What a bad emp
clear crane
cause they sound barrier
minor flame
lmao emped and no follow up
clear crane
emp came after the grav
minor flame
nice
clear crane
prob was just a desperate attempt at that point
proven saddle
that's why you hack the lucio
uneven wren
sound barrier cancelled out the emp
proven saddle
yeah fits just tried to catch sinatraa
sullen berry
super can't play rein/orisa/winston all at the same time, do something Viol2t!
sterile fox
“no one doesn’t like this guy”
clear crane
hmmm wat a strange comp
sterile fox
with sombra
dapper lantern
what am I missing
tawny sigil
bad gravs
sterile fox
sombra boats
clear crane
lmaoooo wow marvel
dapper lantern
score?
tawny sigil
1-0 dynasties
dapper lantern
thank you, I left to get Chinese food and it took longer than expected
sullen berry
chinese during a seoul v sf match
tawny sigil
still listening to patrice wilson i see
sullen berry
🍿
proven saddle
wait til spark match
vagrant niche
Moth clutched that
gaunt acorn
damn
uneven wren
seoul better win 2cp
trim shadow
Man this is gonna be a long series
tropic herald
This will probably be 5 maps
wide heron
3-1 shock
tropic herald
But that’s weird bc before this game I was sure it was gonna be a 3-0 shock