ofc mano is mvp is that even a question at this point
#esports-discussion
sterile fox
upper niche
Ah, so it's like Eurovision voting ;D
quick slate
running orisa hog for that long fucked thme over huh
sterile fox
MY FUCKING GOD
gaunt acorn
shoutout to tairong last year who nominated his own players
wide heron
i dont like dding on pharah
dapper lantern
I fucking love how Winston can just land on people and kill them
sterile fox
5.5 minutes
upper niche
@dapper lantern IMO it should do more damage. Hell, Winston could use a small buff.
minor flame
dding on pharah is either throw or slamdown
sterile fox
yeah no
wide heron
they can hold that long
upper niche
It incentivises committing to dive in.
wide heron
mano is just bullying luffy this whole match
upper niche
You can also make his leap silent by ducking.
sterile fox
manooo
karmic grotto
Bruh
sterile fox
look at the kill on diem in tge feed
balmy wolf
supports getting bullied
karmic grotto
Nyxl still running triple support dive sombra
dapper lantern
the fucking hard carry
karmic grotto
I thought they were dps players
echo quest
Like I said NY is online now
karmic grotto
Maybe dragons need to do the same
sterile fox
“they can hold that long”
wide heron
keyword can
dapper lantern
lmao the chat
quick slate
running orisa hog for that long got me confused lol
dapper lantern
it’s just mano mvp over and over
dreamy cave
jjonak got a good sleep dart and some ig heals in on that last push
plus mano was in the backline getting picks
wide heron
and NYXL win
visual glen
Where is SBB 
upper niche
Hell yeah!
visual glen
Error 404 team captain not found
upper niche
Why are NYXL even trickling/contesting? It doesnt burn down SHDs time cos they got none!
dapper lantern
sigh
minor flame
damn
quasi stump
so nutty
upper niche
I'm loving this NYXL losing thing 😉
quick slate
yooooooooooooo HUGE
dapper lantern
played that really, really bad
gaunt acorn
poggers
inland pawn
dding is a nut
karmic grotto
Told you
uneven wren
huge pog
wide heron
that stall on A was dumb
dapper lantern
should’ve just left instead of just trying to stall
karmic grotto
If dragons run triple support they roll nyxl
balmy wolf
libero got fucked
dreamy cave
there still not gonna be able to hold
dreamy cave
this is drawskiya . all defence isnt good
karmic grotto
Lmao
wide heron
they are trying to roll a
minor flame
or slamdown
sterile fox
where
upper niche
This is great - SHD essentially just got 2 points for free. This entire round simply costs NYXL.
wide heron
for huge point b timebank
quick slate
huge surprise from shd
wide heron
not really
uneven wren
not anymore
minor flame
30 secs wasted
wide heron
just a surprise
tropic herald
Chat said: Sandbag activates
minor flame
switching like 2 times
dapper lantern
he’s resting
upper niche
oh Ding, what?
wide heron
diem carry though
dapper lantern
nah
inland pawn
luffy is nutty
sterile fox
mano pls
wide heron
no mano cant with the brig
sterile fox
hey dding nice death
pearl stratus
Luffy, in my opinion, is one of the biggest improvements in supports this season so far.
Because Coma + Luffy were questionable at season start.
minor flame
monte said epic
pearl stratus
They've evolved into a really solid duo.
dapper lantern
how did
gaunt acorn
wtf i love shanghai
upper niche
Wow.
forest raven
NY in playoffs 
dapper lantern
did he jump on the pulse
minor flame
this was epic
dapper lantern
any
forest raven
Let's not run the comp we've been running all stage
dapper lantern
okay
sterile fox
why won’t libero play pharah is that too much to ask
upper niche
I have the curiosity to want to see Bumper traded to NYXL, how that might play out.
wide heron
reset please
dapper lantern
o k a y
pearl stratus
Libero has a good Pharah, Dding has a better one.
sterile fox
not in a million years
pearl stratus
And Diem had already been fielded at Widow.
Attacking Pharah doesn't have great geography without a really good support.
sterile fox
dding pharah is laughable
dapper lantern
oh shit
pearl stratus
He'd lose, instantly.
upper niche
how many times is Dding gonna die like that?
supple prism
just dont use barrage ever again
balmy wolf
gg
wide heron
barrage = die
gaunt acorn
ITS OVER ITS OVER
south brook
Why
dapper lantern
in high levels of plays yeah
forest raven
BABO TEAM
pearl stratus
Also I appreciate you being wrong and thinking Dding has a worse SR than Libero.
You're more wrong than a Trump tweet.
But I believe in your belief.
wide heron
mano hard carry activated
upper niche
nuts :/
raw ermine
POG
dapper lantern
A c t i v a t e d
wide heron
wow
minor flame
THE BIGGEST COMEBACK
wide heron
gg
south brook
Ooooh
gaunt acorn
POG
sterile fox
who even said a thing about sr
wide heron
the one barrage
south brook
That was beautiful
upper niche
wow.
minor flame
HOLY SHIT
quasi stump
hoooooly shit
uneven wren
POG DRAGONS
pearl stratus
I meant Pharah.
quick slate
crazy
balmy wolf
chokers
dapper lantern
Mano can’t do it by himself man
upper niche
The one time Dding came through on Pharah
tawny sigil
DAYUM BOIZ
wide heron
the one barrage that worked
dapper lantern
he fucking can’t
pearl stratus
The one barrage that had EMP.
karmic grotto
Who said nyxl was gonna win
echo quest
Jjonak tried so hard lol
vagrant niche
boi that was crazy
pearl stratus
Barrage without EMP is a death wish.
karmic grotto
minor flame
Shanghai
echo quest
They will still win
vagrant niche
they shouldn't had taken that map
dreamy cave
i want sbb subbed in plz
upper niche
Watching Pharah ults in high-level play makes me think it needs a buff lol
minor flame
out of Luffy on that last round
wide heron
nyxl throwing with no SBB
upper niche
It's like pharah ult is gauranteed death.
karmic grotto
throwing
pearl stratus
It doesn't need a buff, its just a high risk high reward. You'll most always die
But its do you get enough during your death to balance it out
vagrant niche
it's been like that for years
wide heron
in pro play
visual glen
NY sandbagging flashbacks 
minor flame
Dding is a throwdown or slamdown
karmic grotto
Funny seeing nyxl fanboys saying nyxl is throwing when they're losing
wide heron
everyone is good though
sterile fox
ny doesn’t know how to counter pharah
wide heron
im no fanboy lol
pearl stratus
Pair it with EMP and its suddenly a broken ult.
balmy wolf
lose with 5 mins in the timebank
wide heron
i called SHA winning
vagrant niche
pharah ult is press to respawn or get res
dapper lantern
who said they throwing, what
minor flame
saying that the NYXL was throwing there is kinda smooth brain bro
dreamy cave
mano is litterally doing so much
supple prism
mano is taking naps
upper niche
@pearl stratus Here's a detailed list of offensive ults that aren't branded as "Broken" when combined with EMP:
gaunt acorn
mano is doing great
uneven wren
nyxl in regular season = pogchamp
nyxl in playoffs = lul
upper niche
It's funny we have this almost meme about NYXL tanking in playoffs, when they won three out of four last year.
wide heron
not this year
balmy wolf
@upper niche 2
wide heron
in the one that matters
minor flame
2
upper niche
2?
balmy wolf
they won 2 last yr
pearl stratus
Its a meme because its existed since before OWL
balmy wolf
they lost to LA VAL in stage 4
pearl stratus
LW Blue used to have heimlech manuever posters in their rooms.
dapper lantern
2?
wide heron
they did shit in all playoffs this year
pearl stratus
Because they choked so much
dreamy cave
minor flame
and what about this year?
upper niche
Oh they were in 3 finals.
supple prism
stage 2 and 3 i believe
wide heron
lost to seoul lmao
minor flame
lol
wide heron
nenne's gravs lmao
minor flame
that nenne grav was the do or die
upper niche
Thought they beat London in stage 1.
uneven wren
1 win through 3 stage playoffs
wide heron
lol
pearl stratus
The Nenne grav was either way.
uneven wren
this year
pearl stratus
If he held the grav they still lost.
wide heron
literally more than a year ago
pearl stratus
If he landed the grav they win.
uneven wren
the nenne grav is still iconic
pearl stratus
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
raw ermine
They lost to London in stage 1, won stage 2 and 3, and i don't remember, but Ik they didn't sin stage 4
balmy wolf
they lost 3-1 in stage 4 finals
wide heron
lost to phili in seasonal
uneven wren
lost to la valiant in stage 4 i believe
upper niche
Yeh. I've got it up now 😉 I thought they won stages 1 2 and 3, but it was 2 and 3 vs LDN, PHI and BOS
uneven wren
this is nyxl's last chance to win a stage playoffs this season
minor flame
"hes gonna punch himself to safety"
pearl stratus
It's not even so much that NYXL chokes.
uneven wren
and it looks bleak for them
pearl stratus
It's just how they try to cover their issues when they get pressured.
wide heron
ok so SBB still not in
minor flame
Shanghai is similar to NYXL
upper niche
We could go Season 2 with having 3 different stage winners from 3 stages... maybe even a different season champ too
pearl stratus
But most times when they lose Mano goes crazy trying to hard carry.
gaunt acorn
dding is so good at direct rocket hits
uneven wren
i'm confused as to why nyxl is playing straight 3-3 against shanghai
pearl stratus
And not in a good way.
gaunt acorn
fucking mathematician
pearl stratus
They probably don't trust their Sombra into it.
balmy wolf
NY mentally boomed
pearl stratus
Because SBB is, to be fair, a really mediocre Sombra.
upper niche
oh this stagger
wide heron
better than a nenne sombra
upper niche
WTF!
pearl stratus
And when they've gone Sombra v. Sombra they tend to get dusted.
zenith patio
How is NYXL
uneven wren
i still feel sbb is a higher win chance than having meko in
pearl stratus
Remember Taimou deep dicking SBB like he was single?
zenith patio
losing right now?
wide heron
le sigh
upper niche
At this rate they're gonna take B before they even contest proper.
wide heron
dding
pearl stratus
They don't do Sombra v Sombra well.
wide heron
why
wide heron
??????
upper niche
Is the commentry like 10s behind the video for anyone?
pearl stratus
On Gibraltar?
wide heron
SURPRISED LOL?
dapper lantern
...
pearl stratus
You don't need a 3:3 on offense till last point.
minor flame
6 weeks
zenith patio
Sorry
pearl stratus
And even thats questionable.
zenith patio
I don't keep up with Esports that often. haha
uneven wren
i don't recall shanghai playing a goats formation this match
upper niche
They were talking about Hammond 'possibly' getting resed >5 seconds after it happened for me.
balmy wolf
dragons rarely ever play actual goats
wide heron
PEPEGA
zenith patio
Well clearly they're doing something right
pearl stratus
They play it when its 'best', but thats insanely rare in this stages map pool.
zenith patio
Becaue they're beating GOATS
wide heron
fatfinger lol
pearl stratus
If this map pool had like Rialto in it? We'd see it more.
gaunt acorn
remech
forest wharf
minor flame
just overall that was questionable
pearl stratus
Playing into the corner.
Was the bigger questionable.
They didn't have much else to do, but that corner can't contest a pharah at all.
wide heron
trying for cover from pharah
minor flame
Luffy is underrated popping off
pearl stratus
He was weak in stage 1 imo.
uneven wren
oh boy nenne back onto sombra
pearl stratus
BluHAS is a good development coach.
wide heron
dding does good
pearl stratus
Gamsu improvement on Rein, Coma and Luffy massive improvements.
minor flame
holy shit
wide heron
until he presses q
balmy wolf
DDING POPPING OFF
upper niche
did JJonak turn up today?
pearl stratus
Just really good coaching.
minor flame
when Shanghai has momentum
gaunt acorn
HAHAHA
wide heron
jjonak doesnt show up in playoffs
raw ermine
noice
upper niche
oh ffs Dding, stop playing Pharah
uneven wren
rip dding's barrages
pearl stratus
You know whats sad? If we go to special olympicswatch with 2-2-2 we literally never get to see Youngjin again.
uneven wren
at least youngjin is playing brig this map
wide heron
pharah's q turns the best of them into bronzies
pearl stratus
He's the definition of a flex.
uneven wren
for 3rd point
dapper lantern
well, we lost. it’s not a surprise imo but idk man. if playoffs are such a challenge, do something about that. people don’t take nyxl seriously because their playoffs leave much to be desired.
pearl stratus
I don't get me wrong, I think everyone with disabilities should get a chance.
visual glen
Why bother playing SBB throughout the stage only to not play him at all in playoffs
stuck meadow
exactly
pearl stratus
Because his Sombra v. Sombra is garbage.
It's not a Garbage Can.
It's a Garbage Can't.
minor flame
SBB Sombra is a hit or miss
stuck meadow
I already knew this wasnt gonna be good for NYXL from the start
visual glen
wide heron
damn gamsu
stuck meadow
Another throw from my team once again
wide heron
that was pretty cool
karmic grotto
karmic grotto
Ez clap
minor flame
which one
pearl stratus
'Hey Taimou hasn't played on the stage in about 40289349572934587239485 years. Think he could deep dick SBB Sombra since he's bad versus Sombra'
uneven wren
still better than taking away nenne's zarya for a sombra
dapper lantern
we lost is what happened lmao
stuck meadow
Manos def tilted. Love him so much man
wide heron
I called this in the houston game
minor flame
sad man
dapper lantern
unless some fucking miracle happened
wide heron
and i was called a fool
pearl stratus
Also people are acting like thats the end of the world.
But that was a good defensive time.
stuck meadow
yep. dude was coming in with huge plays
pearl stratus
If they capped 3rd with like.. a 3minute + bank?
minor flame
DAMN
pearl stratus
Then you got issues.
wide heron
even mano cant beat brig
woven badge
Oof diem
uneven wren
this is why i'm glad youngjin is playing brig
minor flame
Diem is laughing
uneven wren
to shut down mano
minor flame
HOLY SHIT
pearl stratus
Also if they were playing Sombra they wouldn't have a D'va.
dapper lantern
it doesn’t matter if we can’t push it as far as they do
stuck meadow
This match tears me. I love Shanghai and I love NYXL
pearl stratus
Do you want to play into Dding without a D'va?
wide heron
sombra goats just beats 3-3
pearl stratus
I want an actual answer to that.
wide heron
its just a fact
minor flame
I mean
pearl stratus
Because if you're going to tell me "Yeah 3:2:1 into Dding Pharah and diem Widow would be fine" you might need to go to the hospital.
gaunt acorn
very timid?
minor flame
Spark is pretty good
pearl stratus
Because you're having a stroke.
forest raven
NY's mental is BOOMED
forest raven
ye
wide heron
VAN wins
dapper lantern
just lose 🤦
minor flame
people dont appreciate youngjin enough
pearl stratus
Youngjin Doomfist is always scary.
minor flame
he has had so many plays
pearl stratus
Because even when he dies, he's trading out.
stuck meadow
This match is sad lol
minor flame
that saved fights and games
wide heron
mano is trying to do too much now
stuck meadow
if yall aint clutchin I dont wanna see this lol
minor flame
WTF DIEM
quick slate
not sure if dragons clutch or nyxl classic choke
minor flame
completely repelled a nanoed mano
gaunt acorn
what a match
stuck meadow
NYXL choke
stuck meadow
Shanghai is good. But its classic NYXL choke again
pearl stratus
Dragons are beating NYXL the way every other team beats NYXL.
wide heron
granted they have to show up first
uneven wren
the fuck is nenne doing
pearl stratus
That's literally it.
uneven wren
swapping to sombra
forest raven
Use 3-2-1 the entire stage with sbb on sombra and use meko and goats in playoffs
NY are galaxy brain
pearl stratus
^ Literally bronze.
minor flame
DIEM LIVES
minor island
nenne "im frowing"
wide heron
in the interview
they better say we won cause NYXL coaches like sand a lot
or something like that
wide heron
god damn
minor flame
3 HEADSHOTS
visual glen
Jesus
stuck meadow
gg
dapper lantern
oh well
quasi stump
LULnak
upper niche
so if SHD d NYXL, we get VAN v SHD and the winner of both of tomorrows matches vs each other.
dapper lantern
I’m going to bed mad
forest raven
Jjonak's mental is BOOMED
raw ermine
nyxl choke
minor flame
GEE FUCKING GEE
gaunt acorn
GG
minor flame
MY BOYS
stuck meadow
Classic nyxl choke
karmic grotto
Ez
inland pawn
ROLLED
zenith patio
NOOooo
quasi stump
rekt
trim shadow
how to ruin your playoff bracket
wide heron
called it boys
raw ermine
LMFAO
midnight sage
SHANGHAIIIIIIII
karmic grotto
Clap
zenith patio
NYXL WHY\
woven badge
SMFHHHHHHH
zenith patio
Nuuuuuu
trim shadow
choose nyxl to make finals
zenith patio
T___T
vagrant niche
OMEGA 
dapper lantern
Mano cannot do it all and expecting him to be your opener, closer, and everything in between is not fair to him at all.
uneven wren
honestly who didn't see that coming
karmic grotto
EZ
trim shadow
SHOULDVE PUT SBB IN PAVANE
stuck meadow
Another playoff with nyxl losing lmao
karmic grotto
zenith patio
NYXL T___T
wide heron
"SBB who?"
pearl stratus
I love fairweather fans.
tropic herald
It’s official NYXL are playoff chokers
pearl stratus
They're hilarious.
trim shadow
nyxl loosing first round
minor island
where is pine
pearl stratus
Literally no game knowledge, a ton of whining.
minor island
?
forest wharf
sinful rune
new york is literally throwing
trim shadow
i smell salt from the nyxl discord
minor island
i wanna see pine
upper niche
@raw ermine That's what I'm loving about Season 2 - so many top teams losing to bottom teams when you don't expect it.
trim shadow
if there is
pearl stratus
It's my favorite part of playoffs.
worn falcon
Rip NYXL
trim shadow
they probablly all elft
worn falcon
Wow
gaunt acorn
trim shadow
left*
wide heron
i expected it
upper niche
SFS losing to CDH. VAN losing to VAL.
karmic grotto
stuck meadow
GG shanghai. Happy with this team
forest wharf
Nyxl and choking in playoffs. Name a more iconic duo 
trim shadow
if shanghai beats vancouver im selling my kidney
tropic herald
Diem has such a gooooooooood Widow
lucid skiff
Oof
tawny sigil
mah boiz the shanghai
minor flame
Im so sad Youngjin might get perma becnhed next stage
but god
Youngjin is so fucking good
tropic herald
@forest wharf Super and his forehead
karmic grotto
I knew dragons would win but nyxl fans: nyxl is 19-2 in the league and are the bests
stuck meadow
@forest wharf London losing every game
woven badge
GG Shanghai
wide heron
VAN vs VAL in finals
pearl stratus
Just hope they don't do Special Olympicswatch.
worn falcon
Diem was insane on Widowmaker Jesus
minor flame
OLE
pearl stratus
It's getting too late for an announcement anyway.
random radish
GRABS THE MIC IM DYING
upper niche
lol Danny knows. He's learned.
wide heron
dps hard carry
minor flame
Diem and Youngjin fuckin amazing
echo quest
They play VAN now right?
minor flame
Dding is throw or slam
lucid skiff
Why meko he’s good but we have SBB
minor flame
mostly been slam with his overall performance
upper niche
@echo quest Yes.
tropic herald
Yep
uneven wren
a lot of people predicted nyxl making stage finals or winning it lmao
lucid skiff
And diem and dding are soo gooooood
tropic herald
I smell a upset arc
upper niche
@echo quest Because of the outcome of todays matches, tomorrows can only be the two winners of tomorrows match.
wide heron
youngjin player of the match though
pearl stratus
Alright, for everyone smooth brain that said "Why not play SBB" I want a logical answer.
minor flame
PUT YOUNGJIN AS POTM
wide heron
he shut down mano
echo quest
I really don’t understand NYXL. You have fucking Nenne and Libero play some Dps
minor flame
I SWEAR
lucid skiff
Dding potm
pearl stratus
If you run SBB, and not Meko, how do you stop Dding Pharah or Diem Widow without a D'va.
wide heron
no eww
minor flame
YOUNGJIN LITERALLY DENIED NANO MANO PRIMAL
pearl stratus
Literally all I want you to answer.
inland pawn
cus they ran sbb for the entire stage
minor flame
CHAD 1ST MAP
wide heron
youngjin won
upper hawk
Yo DIEM is fucking nuts
wide heron
no your not silly dragons
trim shadow
the thing is..nyxl went undefeated with sbb...but they tried to counter shanghais quad with meko?..but then meko and mano fell apart into the series
pearl stratus
They ran SBB into teams that CAN'T play what Shanghai can.
minor flame
its dding
wide heron
WHAT
minor flame
ofc its dding
stuck meadow
another soul crushing defeat
wide heron
DDING???
tropic herald
Dding pog
tawny sigil
lol that bounce of the wall into the ocean
pearl stratus
It's smooth brain as fuck to not provide the best comp to counter a Pharah.
balmy wolf
pearl stratus
And a D'valess comp is NOT what you run.
echo quest
2-2-2 coming so no more triple dps comps from shanghai
minor flame
imagine showing this
stuck meadow
fr
karmic grotto
Ez clap leggo
minor flame
to someone in season 1
upper hawk
im glad to see an upset
balmy wolf
ppl really really overhyped SBB Sombra
tropic herald
Imagine showing that to someone last season
upper hawk
Its getting boring
stuck meadow
Goats truly has changed OWL a lot
wide heron
well im fucking outie
forest raven
The New York Excelsior have won 1 playoff game in the past 390 days
wide heron
cyua
tawny sigil
van vs shanghai next
pearl stratus
@balmy wolf People literally have the game knowledge of a dead cow.
uneven wren
remember after vancouver beat houston that vancouver had the highest seed left spot
owl was foreshadowing
a dragons win
gaunt acorn
@forest raven bro they were #1 seed bro it wasn't a fluke bro
forest raven
Bro just go dva bro shut down dding bro
supple prism
shock vs spark
minor flame
tmrw
echo quest
Ppl saying put in SBB are dumb
tropic herald
Spark has this
uneven wren
i believe in another upset
pearl stratus
And they're severely running out of time to announce 2-2-2, realistically.
uneven wren
seoul gonna upset sf
minor flame
upper niche
Anyone reckon SEO can beat SFS?
pearl stratus
Though they could have internally announced it.
karmic grotto
Sfs defeated dynasty last time, but was close
tropic herald
I don’t think Seoul will beat Shock honestly
uneven wren
if seoul run sombra goats and dps comps they can beat sf
pearl stratus
I don't think Dynasty has a chance sadly.
supple prism
nah
pearl stratus
They're too static.
sterile fox
yeah no
uneven wren
seoul looks stronger than last time those 2 teams played
pearl stratus
They don't like to rotate comps a lot.
supple prism
shock can deal with sombra and dps
inland pawn
balmy wolf
if seoul runs sombra they have a decent chance, then again they lost 4-0 to them
upper hawk
idk the skill gap between SF/VAN and everyone else is ridiculous
tropic herald
Dynasty hasn’t shown good Sombra GOATs which is the only realistic way for them to beat Shock
minor flame
damn imagine getting shade from london
gaunt acorn
@inland pawn ironic
minor flame
of all teams
vagrant niche
what if we get Ryujekong again?
upper hawk
I dont think seoul will do shit unfortunately
upper niche
May, S3 finals are 6am Monday for me 😦
upper hawk
But i hope its close
pearl stratus
I think Seoul has a good 3:2:1 comp in their roster.
echo quest
Seoul got 4-0 last time
pearl stratus
But I don't think its part of the two rosters they were running.
upper niche
4-0 against SFS??
gaunt acorn
@upper hawk shock have fallen off much more than titans since stage 2
pearl stratus
Which is the danger of the two roster system.
uneven wren
that's cause seoul mostly played 3-3 against sf
echo quest
No they lost 0-4
tropic herald
Shock have fallen off but not as much as people say
upper hawk
Yeah thats true Dray. The meta is going all weird
balmy wolf
yea seoul get 0-4 even tho shock weren't at their best
upper niche
I wish the OWL website should just let you see the complete match history of a team when you go to their page :/
tropic herald
You also have to remember Shock has a loaded roster who knows what’s next
upper hawk
I just cant see seoul doing it
uneven wren
sf lost to chengdu when chengdu mostly played sombra-ana goats
upper hawk
Idk
karmic grotto
Valiant looking good, Spark looking good, Dragons looking good
balmy wolf
who knows maybe shock pull a london and we get titans vs shock one last time
minor flame
so badly against Valiant
dapper lantern
the good news for me is since NYXL fucked up, this means I can give all of my attention to Hangzhou and not feel bad
echo quest
Spark gonna win the whole thing ez clap
upper hawk
Gladiators need to wake the hell up or theyre gonna miss it altogether
dapper lantern
so go Spark lmao
echo quest
Also Mano is MVP 100%
karmic grotto
I want to cheer for both teams
echo quest
He did everything he could for the first 3 maps
karmic grotto
LAV and Spark
vagrant niche
Diem so funny lmao
tropic herald
I love how there is Contestion for both 6th overall and 12th overall
minor flame
Youngjin is biggest chad of the match
uneven wren
at least the titans avoid all the middle seeded teams for semis
pearl stratus
Something like Marve1, Fits, Michelle... maybe Illicit? I dunno they don't have a great Brig, Tobi RHJ could work for a 3:2:1. But thats not one of their rosters.
echo quest
Jjonak was good too
karmic grotto
Reaper barely has play in pro games
pearl stratus
Because reaper is a dumpster.
sterile fox
they say he’s a tank buster yet gets his ass handed to him by roadhog
minor flame
yeah acuse roadhog is a tankbuster himself
sterile fox
reaper is not a tank
echo quest
Runaway vs 66% of Kongdoo
trim shadow
hangzhou?...idk
balmy wolf
could go either way
echo quest
Spark gonna win
gaunt acorn
balmy wolf
im gonna stay neutral on the spark vs la game
sterile fox
which la
minor flame
Kariv is the biggest carry for LAV
gaunt acorn
valiant
karmic grotto
Runaway lost vs Kongdoo last year?
gaunt acorn
gladiators didn't qualify
balmy wolf
no
sterile fox
lmao valiant
balmy wolf
runaway beat kongdoo last yr
minor flame
imagine saying last stage that valiant would make playoffs and gladiators wouldnt
karmic grotto
One match difference
upper niche
Enemies Hacked: 94 ... but that's over 3 games.
karmic grotto
I think
upper niche
I hope Karim pops off again.
trim shadow
minor flame
bruh
trim shadow
san fran is savage
upper niche
@trim shadow Is that a bag of coffee? Definitely looks like it.
trim shadow
absolute mad
balmy wolf
no seriously why the woman/female emoji
upper niche
Certainly something NYXL could have done with to perform 😉
karmic grotto
@balmy wolf no idea either
balmy wolf
its just an emoji
sterile fox
what
karmic grotto
By Chad
balmy wolf
?
dapper lantern
in other news
karmic grotto
Never mind, controversial
dapper lantern
balmy wolf
???
karmic grotto
trim shadow
df u mean ???
karmic grotto
Weebs, arise
trim shadow
non weeb detected
echo quest
Kongdoo were winning and then Runaway put in SMS it was gg after that
balmy wolf
tense 7 hr game
balmy wolf
wait i think it was 5 hrs or something
uneven wren
even though he's with 3 of his kongdoo mates
balmy wolf
5 hrs I think
upper niche
I remember watching 3h40 games in OWL season 1...
balmy wolf
the score was 4-3
uneven wren
it was an intense 8 map series
echo quest
^
upper niche
hah
echo quest
Plus KR contenders took forever to transition between maps
balmy wolf
that too
tropic herald
This playoff feels so entertaining
uneven wren
any team can win it all this stage
except nyxl and houston of course
2 american based teams down 2 to go
balmy wolf
that playoff game is in the history books for being one of the best finals in OW history
pearl stratus
Wait.
Do you actually think thats a woman emoji?
I mean yes, it is a woman.
But dude.
That's literally just the shrug emoji.
You can even put it in discord
🤷
See?
worn falcon
pearl stratus
For tomorrow?
pearl stratus
I don't think Shanghai will beat Vancouver, since Vancouver got their heads out of their ass and run Stitch now.
tropic herald
I’m disappointed in NYXL but hey the games will be fun to watch anyways
pearl stratus
I'm expecting 3-2 for Vancouver, but I wouldn't be surprised by a 3-1.
tropic herald
Vancouver will won likely but it’ll be close
uneven wren
it's first to 4 in semis
pearl stratus
Shock > Seoul, Spark > Valiant.
uneven wren
so 3-2 and 3-1 is not possible
pearl stratus
I think Spark v. Val will be the best game of the series.
balmy wolf
probs
tropic herald
Spark v Shock I’m calling for other semi finals
pearl stratus
Spark has a strong 3:2:1 too, really.
And as much shit as we used to give Adora, he's improved insanely.
minor flame
and Valiant has a really good Sombra and Ana with a very solid MT
balmy wolf
im surprise they been doing so well with 3-3
tropic herald
Imo, Spark v Valiant whoever wins will have a very high chance at taking Stage 3
supple prism
spark v shock yes and spark could even beat shock
balmy wolf
and adora jfc
uneven wren
hangzhou have a good shot of winning this stage
balmy wolf
guy is now a monster brig
tropic herald
Spark and Valiant are both amazing rn
pearl stratus
Realistically right now any of the remaining teams, except for Seoul, can beat anyone.
minor flame
everyone knows 222 lock is coming for stage 4 at this point
they seriously should just announce it now
pearl stratus
No one really knows anything.
echo quest
I mean Jake tweet might be referring to it
uneven wren
they can't announce 2-2-2 until after the stage playoffs though
pearl stratus
And there's still a fine risk of 2-2-2 doing more harm than good.
uneven wren
like officially
tropic herald
222 is weird
forest raven
Jake literally tweeted that he never has to play brig again now omegalul
echo quest
It would nerf Shanghai a lot
tropic herald
Rn it’s terrible
minor flame
I mean when you have a news article about it and let 2 players confirm it
balmy wolf
if it is tru then their gonna say right before stage 4 starts
tropic herald
But it’ll make the game balance so much easier
supple prism
i dont think they should bother with 2-2-2 in the last stage
pearl stratus
I mean 2 players didn't confirm it.
uneven wren
owl is gonna put stage 4 changes after stage 3 playoffs
pearl stratus
Fissure isn't a player.
minor flame
I guess
forest raven
Twitter
pearl stratus
He's a mediocre tank who couldn't mentally handle the league, and likes drama.
pearl stratus
Individual skill wise, yes. But impact on a team drops him down. People spend too much time inspecting players in a vaccuum.
gaunt acorn
sure he fell off in season 2 and was overall a baby
dapper lantern
No one likes a brat. It puts a damper on the work environment, doubly so if your career revolves around teamwork.
gaunt acorn
but he wasn't mediocre
pearl stratus
When you're throwing hissy fits by being a whiny twat and walk out of scrims?
You never go above mediocre for me.
gaunt acorn
mediocre implies skill not attitude
balmy wolf
he didn't go above mediocre for anyone
minor flame
People say 222 is gonna make the game easier to balance
idle beacon
SHD beaten nyxl? 😮
minor flame
but im worried its gonna be alot more
upper niche
Was Brens prediction for SHD to beat NYXL before todays match?
minor flame
restrictive
forest raven
Fissure was a big factor in bringing Glads from a bottom table team in s1 stage 1 to a playoff contention team
gaunt acorn
i personally don't like him and his antics
pearl stratus
Too many people look at players in this 1:1 and thats just a horrible way to look at a game with little to no carry potential.
upper niche
or did he predict NYXL to win?
white dragon
Guys and girls I’m on the east live in Virginia and I want to cheer for a good team what team should I cheer for I like carpe but the fusion be selling Boston isn’t that good I can tell from the standings anyone help?
balmy wolf
he was annoying to play with, no one i work with even wanted to play with him, he may be awesome but if youre insufferable no one will want you
upper niche
oh right this is obviously the original predictions.
dapper lantern
^
balmy wolf
@minor flame honestly 2/2/2 is easier to balance on paper
obviously well have to see how it works out
idle beacon
SHD vs titans .. ohboi
minor flame
even with 222
tropic herald
I’m excited
tropic herald
These games are so good
pearl stratus
The problem is 2-2-2 always requires Blizzard to actively nerf heroes for no other reason than forcing a meta change.
balmy wolf
I personally dont like 2/2/2 lock bc it kills a lot of creativity. The counter to many compa or workarounds involve going non-2/2/2 (for example quad dps)
tropic herald
Yea but 222 gets rid of a lot of power creep issues
minor flame
they have to change every frequently
tropic herald
So that makes it a little easier
opal spruce
power creep happens regardless
balmy wolf
BUT because if's easier to balance, those oppressive meta comps are less likely to show up
pearl stratus
In 2-2-2 the only way to change the meta is to literally just nerf the meta.
minor flame
there will never be a non power creepp
idle beacon
2-2-2 lock is for real now?
tropic herald
Yes I know
balmy wolf
its still unconfirmed
tropic herald
But you don’t have to worry about people playing more than 2 tanks
pearl stratus
So while it realistically sounds like a good idea, its overall not. ]
balmy wolf
blizzard told us all in contenders like... early june
but it had never been like
"You will be locked in 2/2/2 stage 4"
opal spruce
222 is a terrible idea
pearl stratus
I'd sooner see Blizzard rush drop 6-7 heroes and work on a ban system since that actually has a chance to work.
idle beacon
maybe they'll come up with a non double 3heroes lock
uneven wren
i still feel it's dumb to have 2-2-2 lock this late in the season
pearl stratus
But I also know they won't do that.
minor flame
what?
idle beacon
like 1-2-3
uneven wren
why not wait until next season
idle beacon
but no 3-3
pearl stratus
@uneven wren There's a very arguable point that adding it just for stage 4 dumpsters the integrity of the season.
uneven wren
i don't mind 3-3 being played at certain times
minor flame
222 lock sounds really good on paper until it actually happens
its either gonna harm the game overall
or make it strive
its one or the other
tropic herald
Stage 4 is not a good time for it anyways
pearl stratus
It's also not going to shake things up like people magically think - and thats going to be the best backfire.
Imagine the entire league swaps to CV comp.
minor flame
people think everything is too simple in overwatch
pearl stratus
People will want to slit their wrists in under a week.
idle beacon
shd vs nyxl was close, though?
uneven wren
there won't be any direct nerfs and buffs right on 2-2-2 anyway
dapper lantern
no
dapper lantern
it wasn’t.
uneven wren
cause it's only gonna be in owl currently
minor flame
it was close in 1 map
pearl stratus
People think Goats is bad to watch, and obviously don't watch CV.
pearl stratus
CV comp is like watching old people fuck. It's so bad.
minor flame
alot of ppl know that
idle beacon
well 4-3 on volskaya
minor flame
but ppl are still optimistic that
the game is gonna be easier to balance
and still its not as simple as that
tropic herald
NYXL would not be so high if they were Pacific
pearl stratus
I think 2-2-2 makes sense for ladder, don't get me wrong.
Ladder people are literally like a study in Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
supple prism
ladder just doesnt deserve any more freedom than 2-2-2
pearl stratus
The first three weeks of people complaining because they're still gold because (guess what!) the comps wasn't what was holding them back, they're just trash, will be glorious.
idle beacon
stage1 was mostly organized 2-2-2 play .. or not?
uneven wren
not even
pearl stratus
It was mercy meta, pirate ship, slambulance, etc.
tropic herald
Stage 1 was GOATs mirrors
pearl stratus
Oh Stage 1.
idle beacon
what do you mean with organized play?
pearl stratus
Stage 1 was people being stupid and forcing 3:3 mirrors.
minor flame
organized play is just
uneven wren
early stage 1 had different comps but ended up 3-3 pretty fast
minor flame
competitive play out of ladder
pearl stratus
I still argue if the league had parity Goats wouldn't have been bad.
pearl stratus
But when you have maybe 3 teams that can play 3:3, it goes south fast.
Even right now there's still only 3-4 teams that can play 3:3.
opal spruce
forcing meta's to happen doesnt work, thats why its meta. it changes naturally, its already changin with ana and sombra
upper niche
I both agree and disagree @minor flame - on one hand I feel like professional teams should be free to play the game however they best feel - kinda like in juinor basketball leagues they often say "You can only play man-to-man" and ban things like full-court press defenses. But at the same time I feel that 2-2-2 enables things like players as commodities and selling points in a niche role.
tropic herald
Hero band would be lit but 30 heroes is not enough for that
minor flame
Hero bans fucking suck
pearl stratus
You won't use niche roles in 2-2-2.
minor flame
Its a game about switching to heroes
pearl stratus
It'll just settle into another meta.
minor flame
and youre just
upper niche
But I also don't want to see compsitions develop that dominate even against that mirrored composition.