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funnyastro is a 2way
that was more awkward today
it's nice they gave atlanta reign two free wins for their home weekend
well this was decided back in 2018, they didnt know both those team were gonna be bad
Florida was a 90% chance though
holy shit
florida's goats was strong on that first point
though dogman threw a trans again
experience, pepega
Killed two, yet still let them flip point lmao
Byrem is the definition of panic ulting
Maasa xd
this seriously looks like a quickplay game
F
maasa straight falling into the pit after that emp lol
🗑
LETS GOOO
too bad that doesn't credit bqb with a kill

Dallas plays like they don’t have hands anyway
lol ^
what is this... the nhl?
the audio balance
byrem MA BOI
hammer that ana
wowie
did bqb emp masaa's beat there
zz bqb
history repeat itself
i can safely say that xepher is playing much better than before
love his pharah
his pharah has been pog today
if i was babybay i would have saved that grav
not a bad choice but could've used it for a more defensive time
rp
erster with a huge amp matrix
ggggggggggg
do you even lift bro
yeah
like
LETS GOOOO
how bad can you be to fuck that up
That was a choke
Why is hago not playing
the big play though was erster playing baptiste instead of brig i feel
Reverse sweep now
nah, there is no reverse sweep
no reverse sweep, only reverse florida
Byrem saving trance for next map
1000iq
Well at least Florida will be pretty solid next season
???????
Why is halftime like this
Thats what I thought immediately xd
soe cheated
Imagine. Sideshow went to medical school
LMAOOO BOO BREN
should've thrown it tbh
chet
Germany
Germany
germany
oh wow, that’s pretty cool
LETS GO ATL
can somebody do me a favor and ping/dm my ass when the ny-toronto game starts?

hold the door
Well ggs
guys please
@sterile fox ok
sure
meko is starting in today
@balmy wolf harb said he had no choice 
thanks
i kinda feel bad for harb
tf i asked like ages ago
im not
also i dont really speak to harb 1 on 1, that was only with the team
so if there is more to that then idk
"lots of healing"
at least this is gonna be a quick one so i can go play some 3v3 waiting for nixel stomp
this is gg
oh no
delaying the innevitable
F
rip i click comp by accident, cancelled it instantly and still go in a game
good luck
hes off the bench
poggers
poogers
please don't finish map so we can go to next game guranteed
yessss
5 dps florida plz?
awww
lmfao
go Defiant
what a waste of time
florida is always a waste of time... even when they win
no saebyeolbe? :c
second upset of the weekend in coming
poggers gods
meko got jebaited
meko can flex over to zarya though
mano good god
mano is juggling
heck yes jjonak zen
probably should have seen that coming mangachu
mano is big brain
yep
nenne also big brain
The way they play, dude
ny are legit surprising me
just please murder your way through the playoffs this time
mano vs yakpung is like terminator vs toaster
now that i think about it
y’all know how they show facecams during the game right?
they play brig and zarya better
nenne and libero can flex, why would you take them out
those 2 are the goats essential players
I like the comp from Toronna lol
not today Logix
an attempt was made
Deli
aaand hooked 
SBB
Cious
why ever use ashe
roadhog is meta
thank u mr logix
only took one whack
Love the crowds reactions
toronto clearly has the superior orisa/hog
SBB DVA
^
sbb on the dva now
panic goats
does meko not have a decent Zarya?
that would solve every flex problem for NY so... i guess not
I would think they didn't plan on using this comp
This is why I don't like sbb being fieldedddddddd
yeah nenne is reaper now lol
good
he cancels res
that was odd
Mano is so good
yeah he really is
I think meko does have a good zarya, but not good of an zarya as nenne
in terms of goats play anyway
Mek0’s weakest hero is zarya
apparently not if he's being subbed out
nenne widow. Delicious
oh boy
no
Idk what Minecraft is
GET WHIP'D SON
Fuck off
toxic
You're right
nah neko made jjonak his bitch there.
Please fuck off
bruh that was like 4v1
Thats very polite
I've been learning
Philly should have kept hotba imo
He died before the jump landed and didnt get primal in time
i’d suggest you get whip’d son
you know what they say about ana's nade in game?
HUGE HENTAI!
no one says that
Huge purple
everyone says that
easy
come on NY
mano big brain once again
I love them
they will hold emp
mano is doing really well
yeah that's a loss
yakpung gets pressured and cut off
NY coming up on 5 ults
this 2018 strat is apparently very good, they practiced it a lot
Defiant on 6
YUGE
M A N O
Work the shaft
Mano dunking
he hasn't had to EMP
why did he knock mano back
small brain
small play
probably pissing them off
It puts so much pressure on them they are making tons of mistakes
sbb is batman

I leave for 5 MINUTES, AND WHAT DO I SEE? TORONTO WITH 13 SECONDS LEFT?
big
BRUH
I love them
the disapointment on their face
I must be lucky...
that's all
holy cow
BWAHAHAHA
deserved
yeah that was toronto's game to lose
very clean
they got shut down hard
you seen how they turned from passive to aggressive
Yakpung needs to stop dying
Toronto have too much respect rn
What happened to Toronto? I feel like they were such a strong team on stage 1
goats happened
they were not even that great in stage 1
They had a good record despite their schedule.
I don't even think their schedule for stage 3 is hard compared to before
they fought mainly weak teams in stage 1
now i’m not gay but bren
its not like they were a shit team in the beginning
What happened to IM37? Forgot his name
benched
o shit
witch mercy cosplay 
kiki, do you love my cosplay?
how does one stop a korean from dying hair
one does not is what you’re meant to say
it's whatevs
disgusting

XL gon give it to ya
Beautiful.
really fast barrage
baited
what was that EMP?!?!
B A I T E D
Defiant needs to work on their defense. its good but the moment it breaks, they can't rebuild it
lol wow
YAY
NYXL getting rolled right now
CHOO CHOO DUDE!!!
finally they win a fight
now the question is, will defiant capture B?

libero legend
Mangachu was a canadian player who was in the world cup, right?
yea
god damn
Wonder why it took so long for him to get signed
they got less time now
toronto rolls until they lose one fight, then get shut down completely
That's the biggest problem with Defiant
JJONAAAK
neko the fragger
maybe???
jjonak killed mangachu tho
👀
Was not expecting them to get B
Them too
perfect
nice
just need to hit overtime to confirm the win
emp bomb combo
bombo
bombo wombo
Damn, that was a good spot it landed
this is one of the best combos in the game
poor neko 
Audio?????
audio is fine for me
who spilled something on the controls
yep, NA production for you
did I miss something?
unless they change casters like yesterday lol
that was still funny as fuck
watch this
cut Uber off mid sentence
o o f
that’s my boys
fucking called it
Don't worry, at least they got wins unlike SHD in season 1
7-0 very nice
wait so they didn’t lose a single map?
Nah, they lost maps but haven't lost the game
I’m just happy to see SBB more often
A series is a game
There are typically 4 maps in a series
they won the game but have lost maps
CV+Widow again
omg please stay baptiste
I like SBB but I'm not a fan of his sombra play. Compared to other great sombra's he's not really doing that good
aww
To be fair, his sombra play is different from other teams
is neko serious a better hog then gods
the fuck is clockwork vendetta
Contenders team
also known as the GOATS team
confused
they did really well with hog orisa mei torb comps
LOOOOL
it’s the name of the team in contenders
they kinda broke the open divison meta
🤔
I think Mangachu just doesn't care for the team and just wants hammer kills
HAHAHA
well they lost the game already
nenne vs logix widow duel is 
this is fine
NYXL just need one fight win
then they win the map
apparently
lol
nooo
STILL WINNABLE
he didn't get the hammer kill at the end
honestly, they probably don’t really care
He just wants a record
So does that strat work on attack?
clockwork comp op
I don’t think either team cares right now
^
Too bad you won't see clockwork next stage with the whole role lock
Ik what comp we are playing for the rest of the year
bunker time
I like how the casters keep talking about this like they’re not going to just meme
remember when jjonak played bastion
i memmer
I’m going to lol if NY actually holds
So clockwork doesn't even work on attack
it's definitely looking possible
hence
Honestly, this map is horrible
7 years
whos winning
WOW
noooo toronto
another full hold
lmaooooooo what does everyone have to say about that now
Daaamn, I need 2 points for Zen skin and it looks like I wont get it today
whos winning ??
NYXL
ny didn’t give a shit
ok
How sad
Is this the last game for today?
because they knew they would win
yea
nyxl bastion cheese > toronto clockwork cheese
yes @wild lark
hahahaha jesus
Damn
How embarrassing lmao
I pray for the day we can see SBB Tracer again
big yikes
gggggggg
Damn, that was so bad
you mean good
And Defiant looked so happy doing that full hold, lol
holy dang the nyxl are good
Holy hell, didn't know Mangachu and Gods were huge
Toronto should have went full meme on attack so if they lost it wouldn’t look as bad
Yeah, they’re big guys
havana is a good map
Gods is a unit
So after the game ended now, tokens won't be sent? It's like 5min till next 3x token drop
manga is tall as fuck
too many full hold in Havana, can't really say its a good map
MANO
you know it’s the man
Danny wasn’t even paying attention, smh
Danny forgetting a question is actually a thing i wanted to see for a long time
“wait what the fuck did he say”
see, at least his intro wasn’t cringy
Corey’s intro is so bad and I hate it
very good
imagine being a leader of a team where someone else is called a leader
Ugh stop calling them quarter finals, they're not, they're elimination finals :/
damn, rip outlaws
ooh shit shanghai
my two teams are facing off on thursday and I won't be able to watch the whole match 😦
So am I the only one predicting NYXL to take Stage 3 finals?
who knows
NY were inconsistent
Shock were inconsistent
Spark are improving consistently
Vancouver have changed their style a bit
Outlaws and Dragons will get clapped
I reckon we're gonna have the top 4 seeds win their first 4 games so the Semis is just gonna be NYXL d SFS and VAN d HZS. And it'll just be NYXL d VAN in the final.
I really don't think NYXL has what it takes to take this finals
I'm not saying they look bad
just every other team looks better
Their Sombra goats hasnt impressed me yet
🤔
And if they run SBB as Sombra they dont have a Dva
I dunno, the gameplay styles and the meta are all changing. (2/2/2 here we come... wait, is it needed anymore?)
Yea but that doesn't mean it'll benefit NYXL. SBB Sombra looks pretty bad when compared to other great Sombras. And his DVA play hasn't impressed me
It kinda irks me whenever I see Nenne on Tracer or Widow cause I love SBB and Pine so much
pine isn’t coming in, Jesus Christ
oh I gotta go back and watch the Toronto match playing Clockwork 😄
I know he's not
He's a jersey seller like Mickie and Geguri
but still love the guy.
haha oh that was awesome, the double-take.
spark will win
titans have a good shot if their sombra goats keeps improving
sombruh
do you think NYXL could beat SFS?
Yuhhhh
yes
Firstly, I'd like to apologize beforehand if this isn't where I should be asking, and also for interrupting, but, anyway... I dunno if I've asked this before, but... Say I'm trying to get to a point where I can at least try out to get into OWL or Contenders or however it works... How would I get there? Like, what do I need to know for the road ahead, what do I need to learn or use, etc? Well, aside from the obvious good PC and gear to play with and good enough skills. (If preferred, DMing me or @'ing me is fine)
sfs suck against sombra goats which is ironic since they beat dragons who are top tier sombra teams
in case u dont know OD is open division
I'm not on a team, my SR on pc I can't remember since i'm only now able to soon fix my pc, but on ps4 iirc it was around plat after a losing streak. And i'm not too familiar with what open division is. I know i'm stepping my foot into some big boots here, but I kinda want to know what to do and know before I start rather than late
If that makes sense
so that's literally all i need to know? i already knew i had to be up there, but if 4400+ is literally it, then I can't help but wonder why there's not more players than there are
on PC
which is t500
oh
The skill gap in gm is huge
Higher than plat to masters
so, is that literally all then? i'm still surprised if that's it. i would have figured it was more than the obvious big challenge of getting to GM.
A 4.4k player will stomp 4.2
@limpid rune if it was that easy than more than 1% of the playerbase would be gm lmao
Let alone top 500
im sure there is more to get into OWL or any great contenders team
Plus you need a decent heropool
Work well with a team. There are a lot of players on ladder that are good enough to go pro but don’t
really?
or are a liability
on pc, I can't recall. haven't been able to play on my own pc for about a year, but on ps4, I've gotten up to... I forget exactly how to read it, but it's 4 stars at 49, bronze border
Do you think you have spent more than 200 hours in comp?
i've spent just under 200 hours on comp on ps4.
Imma be real with you. There is a very very slim chance you make it to contenders let alone owl
Unless you can improve considerably
i'm not saying how do i get there right now. i was asking how do i get there eventually
i'm not gonna be gettin serious about it until i can fix my pc
i just wanna know what to be prepared for and know how to do
well climbing to gm is gonna take 100 of hrs already
even then u have to consider if it even is worth going pro
there is very little money to be found in the t2 and t3 scene
Well then basically Get top 500, join an OD team ( make sure they are all top 500) do very well in OD and hope you stand out
@balmy wolf the academy teams pay pretty well
of course
expect thats basically the closest thing to being in the OWL
not realistic for most contenders players
@limpid rune for now just focus on climbing and improving your game
then think about going pro
will do
They have been given no mercy
Why is Houston against Vancouver
I’m so sad but I have faith
Hi im looking to improve low silver can anyone give me advice
Houston bout to get put in there place
their*
Titans about to get schooled

@sullen berry lmao
Why is Florida Mayhem so bad
Lol
Like they have never won a match for as long as I can remember
check again
Houston
Well, they haven't won as many matches as all the other teams in the league, even Houston does have more wins then them in total
thats kind of obvious
Mayhem did suck and they are currently shifting rosters so this is normal
By "so bad" you mean "would probably still beat most every contenders team, but they're just bad by comparison to other OWL teams"?
They would get beat by top tier contender teams
At least they aren’t as bad as Shanghai from s1
so are spark and van fighting in the mud or doing a coin toss
i see its already decided, so i guess coin toss,pussies
sadly is not lav vs van
so close
everything should be solve with fighting in the mud
who won spark v titans?
did it go to a map 5
When you see the results of Vancouver (ex-runaway) you can easily deduct that top-end contenders will surely beat low-tier OWL
who are considered low tier?
washington and florida?
pretty sure houston and valiant aren't in pepega territory anymore
Justice, Mayhem, Defiant atm too
Stage 3 had two 0-7 teams and three 1-6 teams
Justice and Defiant 0-7, and Mayhem, Uprising and Fuel 1-6
Outlaws and Valiant both went 5-2
Overall league standings bottom three are Mayhem, Justice, Defiant
But Defiant has 7 wins and Justice and Mayhem have 2 each
I could've sworn my justice bois had more wins
jesus
so painful to watch them sometimes
I still remember their first win against the charge
Justice babo team
i skip out washington games because christ it's sad to watch
Apparantly shanghai games last season aren't
“we”
whats with contender team name all sounding like kindergarten stuff
ah yes the British Hurricane a popular Kindergarten toy
Do you like carrots
@jaeSW @Outlaws @TorontoDefiant if we can turn an 0-7 stage around without an owner and 5 less coaches than the average team in the league I'm sure you guys can turn that 0-7 into something strong next stage with @LogixOW and @Mangachu_ . 💪 #RiseTogether
399
most academy teams have a pretty good name
WHO is clockwork vendetta
best team in eu contenders
EU team in contenders that had a perfect run through open division one tricking their comp and I think are currently flawless in contenders
They run orisa, hog, mei, torb every single map
CV lost to HSL
Yea toronto tried that with nyxl
And then they held first
And then proceeded to get held even harder
By nyxl with traditional bunker
UwU?
What a stupid playoffs schedule
1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6, 4 v 5
So NYXL vs Dragons
OutLULs vs Titans
Seoul vs Shock
Valiant vs Spark
Like what
Whats ur issue with it
thats normal
highest vs lowest
second highest vs second lowest and so on
after that its highest remaining seed vs lowest remaining seed
that's how most other playoffs work
exactly
All of those matches sound insane except for maybe Outlaws v Titans
I dont see the problem
the time for the playoffs kinda sucks
First game at 9pm local time
it gives seeding some meaning, + higher odds of higher seeds in the grand finals
Second game at 11pm
Games are at 3am and 5am for me. Cant really watch any of that
except for maybe the end of the second one when I wake up
im still impressed how both outlaws and valiant managed to make it
Valiant did amazing this stage
after having an 0-7 stage, bottom tier in power rankings at some point in the season
huge turnaround
yeah they upgraded their coaches and added some great players
very successful rn
i cant even find one single catalyst
kariv showed off an insane ana
shax came in and destroyed
FCTFCTN seems like the leader they needed
reprize is apparently a great coach
packing10inches as well
Weird flex but okay
packing10 the current head coach used to be called that
he's packing alright
so as of right now, 15 teams have reached a playoff
the only 5 to not achieve that are Justice, Mayhem, Chengdu, Paris, and Guangzhou
Oh paris
Paris is the pinnacle of mid-low tier
the one that really surprises me is Chengdu
I thought they'd at least make 1 play off
@crisp willow what’s wrong with it? Highest seed plays lowest that is fair
X doubt about Dragons
NYXL vs dragons -NYXL wins
Vancouver vs Houston- actually kinda tough, as Vancouver has shown weakness to Sombra goats but I feel like Vancouver will win
Seoul Vs Shock- Shock, but it's close
Valiant Vs Spark- I feel like Valiant has got this
Why?
not sure why they arent running meko on sombra. that way none of the dps need to flex to dva
SBB is better sombra?
My boi Guxue is gonna dunk on LAV again
Sbb sombra has not looked impressive and he is not a good dva
@little silo the thing mek0 has a decent sombra. He played it a lot in stage 1 and 2
Is *
Nyxl versus Vancouver- I gotta see Vancouver winning
Valiant versus Shock- Shock
so I feel like the finals will be Vancouver versus Shock
I just gave my predictions
Bruh valiant won’t beat spark
LaKimShi, I feel like their coaches will find Spark's weakness and exploit
shock had a weak stage
and seoul could catch them off guard
valiant can be exploited too
San Fran did 4-0 Seoul this stage
spark have great coaches
true
san fran also lost to chengdu and the outlaws and seemed inconsistent
fair enough
who knows
these are insane playoff matches
all matches could go either way imo
except for houston
I said that the Houston Versus Vancouver is either going to be extremely close or a complete beatdown of Houston
I don't see an inbetween
im expecting the beatdown
because they're on different branches
you phsyically can't see vancouver and Ny in the finals, so yeah
i can see vancouver and titans in the finals but who knows
you don't understand
vancouver are second seed NY is first
Mano and jjonak are the hard carries of nyxl at the moment and I do not see SBB sombra being good enough to beat it
they cant play in the semifinals
if NYXL and Vancouver win their quarterfinals they'll fight in the semi finals, or I'm just pepega as fuck
might be the latter
its highest remaining vs lowest remaining
and second highest vs second lowest
1 and 2 cant play each other that way
I'm looking at the schedule right now, and vancouver and NYXL are in the same block
the blocks dont matter
its just the seeding that matters
ny (1) play shanghai (8)
highest vs lowest
titans (2) play outlaws (7)
that's the case for the quarter finals
that theme remains through the entire playoffs
that isn't the trend the previous 2 stages took
I just looked it up
it looked like the seeding just determined the quarterfinals
just look at the dm
wait what
thats really cool
some fans took the time to make that
if only the villager looked better
yeah that's really fricking cool
Waiting for those QR codes
i never bought that game but the fishing is nice from the 20min that i played
I love New Leaf
Kinda torn about the potential 222 change since we're on the cusp of a meta shift. Look at this graph of just stage 3.
https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_entry_media/79/79YUFRZBMPBP1562184941923.png
End of the chart there's 14 heroes above 10% in OWL. Think that's the most diverse set of heroes at pro level in a while. Usually just 8 heroes if you look beginning of the chart by comparison.
Wow zen dropped like a rock
shock has lost a couple times
they lost to LA glads wayyy early on
Glads, NY twice I think, Houston, Chengdu
Shock lost a ton early on
they went 4-3 in stage 1 i think
then had their golden stage
and then lost to Houston and Chengdu in stage 3
it was LA, Vancouver, and NYXL in stage 1, golden stage in stage 2, and houston and Chengdu in stage 3
And of course, Vancouver again in stage 1 finals
That's not bad at all tbh
Houston is definitely taking the win this Thursday
The titans don’t know what’s coming
You heard it here first folks
Screenshot if you have to
Outlaws are taking this easy W. 3-1
Ight bet you gonna be lookin like a clown when they lose 4-0 lmao
Never forget they gave Mayhem their only win of the stage
Houston won a few games and got cocky
3-0 is the loss condition for the outlaws since quarters is a first to 3 maps
houston gonna go 0-3 on thursday
titans gonna smack them silly
not gonna disagree
unless like
houston comes out with low blows
but 3-2-1 wont suprise vancouver
like it suprised san fran
sleeper
It’s very likely going to be a roll by the Titans and not worth watching
vancouver will trounce houston
vancouver as a whole is more mechinically gifted then houston
LAV v Spark will be worth watching
sleeper; an uneventful stomp
expect the last time they played each other, sfs 4-0 them
well seoul has a set roster now since fissure retired
you know marvel will play
and who will play around him
all seoul has todo is avoid 33
easier said then done
SFS has had a fall off
not a complete downfall tho
Well yeah
sfs doenst have a sombra player i would think
think monte suggested benching choi
put striker on sombra
Unless architect or striker learned Sombra
But striker has been grinding widow
And idk about architect
striker has the widow flexibility
so if sfs runs quad
then they should be set
also i wanna see striker v fleta
what's everybody's bracket predicitions?
i have hangzhou or new york winning
I think NYXL will take the cake
First Round we have: Outlaws v Titans, NYXL v Shanghai, Shock v Dynasty, Spark v Valiant
I have Spark winning
Titans, NY, Shock, Spark
I think NY is the most flexible team out of the 4
They’ve at least proven it
I think NYXL is gonna end up choking again
I think spark is the most flexible
Honestly, I think Titans, NYXL, Shock and Spark, then NYXL and Spark, then NYXL
but so far spark have look unstoppable expect maybe against LA
I'm going Titans, Shanghai, Seoul, Spark :p
I haven’t seen Spark off 3-3
they play sombra as well
I think Shock can beat Dynasty tbh
It's just, beating NYXL would then be a stretch
its just that they play 3-3 so well that ur force to play 3-3
I think Seoul's gonna win if Michelle is playing sombra and going off
otherwise Shock
On the off chance Outlaws beat Titans and Valiant beat Shock, Outlaws would have to face NYXL and Valiant would have to face Shock/Dynasty
and that's where a fairy tale run stops
Outlaws are honestly gonna get murdered
Outlaws have no chance
Valiant have a chance vs Spark but I think Spark is gonna mega prep for 'em
The fact they are in playoffs is a low key miracle
Shanghai could beat NYXL if they go hard and/or if NYXL chokes again
Honestly I want either NYXL vs Spark in the finals or Spark vs Dragons
NY's sombra goats is one of the worst out of the top teams
Well yeah
like holy hell u almost lost to DF
But it’s better than Titans and Shock Sombra GOATs
Titans sombra is already looking better than NY
Shock yeah
they murdered glads with stich on sombra
Oh they played stitch again?
yes
if they make that Sombra play consistent from Stitch, they're gonna dominate
Well that’s Titans for you
Their lineup was like, SMS on Zarya, Stitch on Sombra, then the rest normal
no Jjanu
I used to think Jjanu was great but I’ve realized he can’t really flex
He's a great Dva, but lacks on others
its not a goat zarya
but nonetheless a good zarya
just cant match sms zarya which is pushing the limits of how good an zarya can be
looking at the divisions tho
SMS is another example of a really good player at one hero but lacking in other places
sms has a history of playing other heros at a high level
I just want Genji meta back for a phat SDB vs Haksal match
Yeah but he hasn’t been doing any of that recently
why would u
and what do you think of SHD vs nyxl ?
I wouldn’t mind a Widow meta
doable for SHD
SHD can do it but it’s still tipped to NY pretty heavily
if they improve that new lineup with Envy they could upset NYXL without them choking
Yeah NY has a few players that were amazing but now other players from other teams are catching up
inb4 they run Flow3r, Pine, SBB, Libero, and Nenne with JJonak solo healing

