FU win hollywood
#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
FU just going bonkers
echo quest
Changsik kinda dunked on Mag that attack round
balmy wolf
lets see if UNI can close it out
echo quest
He lapped him shatters every fight
severe junco
Mag on attack dunked on Changsik and then when Changsik gets on attack, Changsik dunks
wild
echo quest
Philly is set next season
balmy wolf
if philly make the roster moves that is
echo quest
Changsik,Bernar,Carpe,Eqo,Alarm and Elk is too good
balmy wolf
if sado isn't out then oh well
echo quest
100% Philly will. Alarm is underage is probably they didn’t move changsik and Bernar
They got the cash as well
echo quest
This team would destroy Philly in goats. Dps is a tossup tho
Eqo and Carpe carries philly in the playoffs last year
severe junco
Goats doesn't have too much longer of a life span
balmy wolf
I mean if stage 4 lock is tru then its life span is coming to an end
which also means the ladder is also getting role lock
severe junco
honestly i would be surprised if stage 4 DOESN'T get role lock
echo quest
So basically like LFG?
severe junco
a lot of OWL pros support it, etc
oak bloom
is there any evidence to support the 2,2,2 lock
echo quest
A reputable reporter said so
echo quest
People saying Fragi over sado clearly didn’t watch Philly last season
oak bloom
i dont like it but it would help blizzard be able to balance the game easier
balmy wolf
oh fragi cost them a stage championship right?
severe junco
2/2/2 means no goats, etc
echo quest
Nah Carpe’s back broke in stage 2 against NYXL. They didn’t have Eqo at the time
severe junco
it means that the game played the way the devs likely intended it
also
havana means koth as map 5
runaway, can you win thanks
karmic grotto
EZ
karmic grotto
interersting
they go ana baptiste for more healing
the heck is wrong with funi
are they flex gods
balmy wolf
changsik needs to keep that shield up
karmic grotto
winnable
balmy wolf
and changsik was in a weird spot
severe junco
changsik's putting in work
that's a quantum off
oof*
they're losing fights they shouldn't be
balmy wolf
yea sik keeps dying to early
karmic grotto
what you expect
I'd like to think that funi is still throwing by not letting na1st go zarya
balmy wolf
looks like were going to map 5
karmic grotto
funi needs to stop throwing
balmy wolf
what is this shit support for changsik
severe junco
hold up
nova wadi
Havana is a trash map either way
balmy wolf
gg map 5 it is
karmic grotto
ultimate throw from funi
severe junco
oh man the commentators are amazing
balmy wolf
how can a team be so up and down
severe junco
"just hack rein 4head ez clap"
severe junco
5 minutes
balmy wolf
i mean if uni plays like this again then runaway wins
severe junco
RUNAWAY WINS LMAO
karmic grotto
they need to stop throwing
echo quest
Map 5 let’s go
severe junco
map fiiiiiive
echo quest
FU have dropped control twice in their whole existence soooo
severe junco
i mean
karmic grotto
Ah
severe junco
i don't even care
severe junco
this was super entertaining to watch
karmic grotto
following the script
nova wadi
severe junco
two great teams bodying each other back and forth
karmic grotto
But
nova wadi
Is funi gonna have to play EM
karmic grotto
fusion is throwing
echo quest
This must make changsik wanna stop playing tank. Stunned,hacked and then slept
Not really
balmy wolf
uni is playing against EM next
nova wadi
Danke odyssey
karmic grotto
here we go again
echo quest
How s FU throwing?
little silo
idk ill take both of those matches any day
karmic grotto
Fusion is throwing though, dont you see naist going dva
nova wadi
Wasn’t that for 1 second lol
little silo
he did that so bernar kept ult charge
echo quest
He’s done that before
severe junco
if runaway beat FU on control
balmy wolf
lets see if uni maps 5 wins comes to an end
nova wadi
I hope not
nova wadi
Fuck Nepal
severe junco
nepal's a great map
nova wadi
I want ilios 😡
severe junco
nepal > ilios
severe junco
i don't like well or ruins on ilios
all of nepal i like
both watching and playing
severe junco
this week i mean
karmic grotto
trolling na1st it is
sullen berry
this isn't anything new
severe junco
DAMN
karmic grotto
throwing
balmy wolf
what a nice throw
karmic grotto
XD
sullen berry
Blank Esports in Contenders Pacific were outclassed by the average KR teams where trill would just wrecking all over the match
karmic grotto
follow the script guys
severe junco
funi is literally just throwing
karmic grotto
the script says
severe junco
AND NOW THEY GO GOATS
severe junco
yeah i know
i'm watching english because
commentators
poggers
wow
what a defence
alright
i swapped to korean
snoats vs hacked goats
ooooh
funi win
at least round 2
let's go mag
severe junco
runaway actually has a chance
karmic grotto
?????????????
severe junco
MAG YOU MADMAN
balmy wolf
mag dunking on changisk
balmy wolf
its over
karmic grotto
gg
balmy wolf
gg
karmic grotto
this happens when funi keeps throwing
severe junco
did runaway just beat funi on control
karmic grotto
losing when they shouldn't lose
karmic grotto
unbelievable
severe junco
runaway just beat funi on control
nova wadi
“Funi is throwing 
“
balmy wolf
they are actually but running that dps comp on the 1st round
then losing all goats fight after that
karmic grotto
they dont have synergy yet to play such dps comps in control
balmy wolf
then choking with an ult advantage on the 2nd round
karmic grotto
or enough scrim time
stoic anchor
"Funi is throwing 
"
karmic grotto
sometimes, at the last moments, you need to let all ults lose
gaunt acorn
gg
nova wadi
I mean sombra is the cancer to play against for some teams
severe junco
how the fuck is mag dunking on Changsik that hard
karmic grotto
changsik isnt used to being shattered
severe junco
why the fuck was mag just beating changsik the entire time
echo quest
Damn FU is pretty pog. They arrived a month ago and they are this good
severe junco
half the time, mag wasn't even WINNING, changsik just either wasn't holding shield long enough or dropping shield at the right time
karmic grotto
Actually, my theory is
FUNI isn't serious yet. They had to see how good Korea Contenders is too play seriously
echo quest
Stop.
nova wadi
nova wadi
You’re pepega Adriel
nova wadi
Em
nova wadi
Sp9rkle 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
severe junco
massive congrats to runaway for beating funi like that
balmy wolf
I like uni but having a history of going to map 5's even tho they win it most of the time is bad
and now that their in what is arguably one the highest levels of OW besides OWL it's gonna hurt them in the long run
severe junco
runaway did win season 1 this year
so to take runaway to game 5 was stupid impressive
echo quest
Uni doesnt go to map 5 a lot xD
They have never dropped more than two maps in Contenders finals
echo quest
Well they kinda roll playoffs soo
balmy wolf
and now their in korea facing against the best teams outside of OWL
nova wadi
I mean I’m just surprised they lost village
echo quest
Which they could also beat
nova wadi
I felt like they could’ve at least made it 1 : 1
echo quest
Does that matter lol? We’ll see in 6 weeks
balmy wolf
if they beat EM next week and O2 blast then uni is probs gonna win it
echo quest
FU came to Korea a month ago. They will get even better in 6 weeks
Their last match is EM
WGS is next week and 02B is the week after
balmy wolf
ok I read the site wrong then
but the one thing I want after this season of contenders is for kasier to finally get picked up in OWL
echo quest
Ye
balmy wolf
oh leave is in too pog
echo quest
Ah shit nvm he isn’t of age
Faraway is the second best flex in CN contenders so still pog
balmy wolf
no no he will be in time I think
echo quest
Rui dissed YXL lol
balmy wolf
always saddens me that MY didn't get pickup for shanghai
echo quest
Guxue,Elsa,Krystal,Leave,Faraway and Yveltal is easily the second best roster after Korea
balmy wolf
thats one scary team
but we all know that korea can up with 5 rosters that can beat anyone
echo quest
I mean they can smoke with a roster build by Koreans on lower tier teams
balmy wolf
but yea I imagine its gonna be china vs SK in the finals again
unless china gets knocked out
balmy wolf
i rather put mano
echo quest
Mano is on a top tier G
balmy wolf
But yea other than that US is probs gonna lose in the quarters or semis when they face SK
Canada still needs a good tank
little silo
shanghai+ roar and decay would be great
echo quest
So Kongdoo panthera?
Just looking at apex teams crazy how almost all of the pros retired
little silo
Yes Kongdoo Panthera thats why I said that
pearl stratus
Thats a hard sell.
Because I don't think I'd break up Diem + Dding for Decay.
Especially if you're looking at ANY meta that could have Widow.
You'd bench Decay instantly for Diem.
Thats not even a question.
echo quest
He could just be a sub
pearl stratus
Roar vs. Gamsu is also kind of 50/50 to me.
They're equal Reins, but Gamsu is a bananas Winston.
I haven't seen enough of Roars Winston to objectively judge it.
echo quest
Doesn’t really matter. Shanghai with any main tank ( apart from swon) would roll
Owwc
Except China
pearl stratus
USA could have a decent roster, just a shit coach.
If the meta shifts I think you might see Super not going though.
echo quest
Ye
pearl stratus
I think Aero would be more likely to pick FCTFCTN.
echo quest
He even admits his winston is weaker
pearl stratus
Yeah.
Muma or FCT, depending on where the games continue to go if its Winston/Orissa based.
If Orissa becomes big, definitely Muma.
echo quest
@pearl stratus Aero our lord and saviour would pick Rawkus and Muma
Can’t forget Western Carpe tho
pearl stratus
I mean YXL showed the true power of defeating fuel.
Get a 0 man zoning EMP so high in the air planes crash.
And Fuel still loses the team fight.
echo quest
Zoning emp my guy. Hooreg showed it’s power
echo quest
I’m stuck shocked how dpei didn’t even become an assistant coach
pearl stratus
The assistant coach picks weren't horrible though, to be fair.
pearl stratus
Dpei also may have wanted to distance himself.
So when Aero fails again he's not in the blast radius.
silent cliff
was fctfctn ever an upgrade over fate
pearl stratus
To contest.
Right now mechanically even.
His time on Mayhem Academy really boned up a lot of his little issues.
echo quest
Eh. That has to due with the fact the roster Fate is working with.
Xepher has been complete garbage until the outlaws match
pearl stratus
Counter point - He's working with basically the same roster Fate did, just adding Shax.
I know you're a huge Fate fan, but you also overrated him by a tier.
silent cliff
boned
lol
pearl stratus
He's a solid A tier Korean tank.
silent cliff
but for real you can't deny fctfctn and shax were coming through big time
especially in their last two matches
also kariv should be a religion now
silent cliff
kariv is our god and ameng is our saint
pearl stratus
They're gifted differently. Fate has strong mechanical skill, FCT has more big brain so he uses his mechanics to dictate fight flow better.
echo quest
Is Gargoyle in the US yet?
Well gg mayhem has one winnable match left
In this stage
silent cliff
is it true fate and custa didn't get along and that's part of why valiant became pepega for the first two stages?
echo quest
Probably since Custa became a bench boy in favour of Fate who was Moon’s ex player from Mighty AOD
pearl stratus
Moon made many mistakes on which Koreans he chose to play.
Kuki and Izayaki being the big ones.
Izayaki, for all intents and purposes, is just Korean Dogman.
Hits shots, shit ults, throws.
pearl stratus
Mano makes for harder choices around him.
Because of his play style.
If you want to choose Mano for the tank you're basically picking all of NYXL.
He's changing slowly as they play the Sombra goats and learning about how being aggressive is though.
silent cliff
at least they're adapting though
is it bad i was never a big fan of the titans? idk
i mean i don't hate them, they're just kind of "okay"
balmy wolf
Same
silent cliff
i mean they're a phenomenal team, yeah, but sometimes their matches are... boring?
like i find myself skipping their matches bc we'd know the results already
balmy wolf
Goats vs goats is boring when you know what the best at it is
silent cliff
but because of that i made the big mistake of skipping the VAN/VAL match lol
echo quest
I think a lot of people are fans due to runaway
Their story is so insane with all the difficulties they faced
balmy wolf
You die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Basically Vancouver
echo quest
Still the heroes
balmy wolf
Naw
They stopped being heroes after winning basically every game up to stage two finals
little silo
This one guy just walked off the map as Orisa because he wanted to do the Hanamura shortcut
that lost us the fight before the defense round even started
he wasnt back in time
minor siren
Outstanding move
little silo
That was also the game that was supposed to get me to Masters
minor siren
Oh frick
echo quest
Oooof
little silo
What am I supposed to do in that scenario
minor siren
Something that always makes me feel better is playing six bastions in no limits
Cheese tactics
pearl stratus
Don't worry.
2/2/2 lock will stop him from walking off the edge
And solve all your problems.
little silo
im not sure if he did that because we told him to swap off Rein or if he did it on accident
minor siren
One time I was playing Lucio and there was an Orisa, Ana, and Torb. I booped the Torb and Ana off the bridge, and then the Orisa just walked off the edge
little silo
i said this in esports Im so dumb
silent cliff
hey what are some good matches uber casted?
echo quest
Mayhem vs outlaws lol
copper solstice
I wonder is Washington is gonna win over outlaws 
little silo
At this point I have no idea
silent cliff
if they lose gotta blame janus ofc 
tbh even back when he was on nyxl he wasn't really the best tank
balmy wolf
He’s literally 20th place in every record rn as main tank or rein
little silo
he wasnt good on NY
silent cliff
top 20 tank pog
gleaming raptor
It's gonna happen boys https://upcomer.com/overwatch/story/1424489/overwatch-league-role-lock
analog lark
pop quiz what player has gotten the most MVPs in season 2?
little silo
dding?
coral copper
slate wraith
Why do people say Brig is the "cornerstone of goats"? In other words, when people say "remove Brig and you kills goats," what does that mean?
balmy wolf
Basically brig is one of the most central aspects of GOATs in terms of synergy, passive healing, and general damage output
Flex DPS players play Brig because against tankier team comps (obviously such as GOATs) because it's way safer to output a lot of consistent damage while being much tankier, AND offering a lot of passive healing to your team
@slate wraith https://youtu.be/QKNpf4P0hME a good video regarding how Mickie's playstyle of Brigitte basically made his team much stronger against others
She is also capable of setting up combos such as Bomb shatter, bash dva bomb, bash to stun emp, etc etc
slate wraith
Interesting. Thx
In my mind it was always Zarya's grav that was the core of the comp, not just Brig
tropic herald
Zarya grav is only good of the enemy is sort of together
So GOATs just happens to have an amazing ult
balmy wolf
Brig has been nerfed severely but they needed another support that could get value. Mercy is out cause she doesnt heal enough, moira is out cause besides heals she doesn’t provide utility or enable engagements and coalescence is kinda ass
And baptiste has been tried and run by the shock instead of brig
trim shadow
washington on paper if corey pops off
yes they beat houston
and soundly
its gonna be how carpe carried philly last yea
sleepy and ark are very consistent
its the fact janus is a bot
tropic herald
Janus plays too aggressive and Ark plays too passive
Sansam and Sleepy are fine
Ado and Corey just play inconsistent on Zarya and Brig
trim shadow
sombra goats is coming into meta tho
tropic herald
That’s not gonna help Justice imo
If Sansam can play Sombra it would be ideal
But they have bigger problems bc the team isn’t on the same page
trim shadow
if im correct stratus is a hitscan player right?
silent cliff
that's a big yikes
trim shadow
nah that probably belongs to paris
silent cliff
if you're worse than florida then big yikes
gaunt acorn
@hidden vault it's the wilhelm scream, yes
gaunt acorn
the wilhelm scream has been used as a gag for over 50 years
you can find it in tons of movies
it's just a common in-joke
hidden vault
I see
silent cliff
yeah and they also used it multiple times in owl
supple prism
little silo
they play that scream whenever someone falls off the map in highlights
they do it every single time and I hate it
crystal fossil
hidden vault
Yeah I find that they used the scream for a wrong effect too
karmic grotto
OGE is resting also, about Trill
He said that playing in Contenders is like running to players, in OWL there's much strategy involved
So the things he did in Contenders doesn't work in OWL
Did Spitfire play against Titans
?
silent cliff
oge is burned out so they subbed in trill
sullen berry
It's been a little over 12 months since he first played for the fuel
Either he's improved greatly since then or his team have to constantly play around his pedantic flanking around the enemy team that its becoming repetitive and easy to counter
Trill on the other hand, like harryhook have only made them look worse off and without enough momentum last week
Fuel could be on a downward slope and still be in late playoff contention
oak bloom
No just rumors or supposed leaks from OWL teams, nothing official
severe junco
it might have been leaked but we won't know until it's official
gaunt acorn
@willow light yeah F to the team that has played in nearly every pro meta
and was made famous during dive, a 2-2-2 meta
willow light
tropic herald
2-2-2 lock rn would be less diverse but it would be so much easier to balance it
Wouldn’t have to worry about power creep as much
silent cliff
who are contenders casters deserving to cast owl?
gaunt acorn
zp + avast?
pearl stratus
What was that garbage duo...
Something hamster and something worse person on the planet.
echo quest
?
pearl stratus
400,000 more hours of OWL watched last weekend than in 2018.
Lower viewership numbers.
So people are fine watching vods, is what it says.
400,000 hours fine.
balmy wolf
Can you get OWL tokens from watching vods?
little silo
That includes reruns right?
pearl stratus
It includes reruns and vods, and no you can't.
But OWL tokens aren't nearly as important.
At least to most people I know.
I'll buy the Jjonak skin tomorrow and still have over 600.
In season 1 the skins were new etc, also a lot of heroes didn't have good skins
So you'd get an OWL skin to replace bad skins.
Now Pharah has enchanted armor and stuff, so I don't buy her OWL skins anymore etc.
little silo
the new teams had some nice skins
daring prism
OGE asking the tough questions: https://twitter.com/OGE_ow/status/1143927018427281409
Twitter
echo quest
OGE
trim shadow
When did i miss taimou being picked up by dallas?
pliant magnet
wat
little silo
!schedule
echo quest
@trim shadow ?
fast basin
trim shadow
idle beacon
just saw it on tv
pubg morons stole the design of OWWC for their own shit nationscup 😄
yea go bench kellex and be more shit, boston
surreal loom
Where can you apply for T3 teams?
supple prism
I like these random 1v1s they have
idle beacon
who
supple prism
OWL
supple prism
Not right now. Like how they had the quick widow 1v1 with pine vs name I cant remember. Bren is gonna do another one. And a doomfist 1v1 is tomorrow
idle beacon
csgo is somewhat more intense than shit OWL atm
the casters explaining the whole game while the match is goign on 😄
btw
fortnite
biggest pricepool
30 millions
trim shadow
terrible to watch
hidden vault
Boston is probably gonna trade kellex and aimgod away
Kellex is the last remaining original boston
trim shadow
fusions was suppose to get traded to valiant but uk how that went
hidden vault
FCT is more suited in valiant anyways
balmy wolf
Honestly I just have a high respect for fusions and little to no respect for boston
Toronto, Paris, would probably benefit the most Washington
pearl stratus
I wouldn't want Fusions on my team.
He's like Super with a bigger head.
Great Rein
Mediocre everything else.
hidden vault
He still starts over Axxiom anyways
balmy wolf
@pearl stratus It's more of his PMA
Fusions is one of the best IGLs simply because he just increases morale of the entire team
hence why it was insane when we all saw his rage on all the montagews
pearl stratus
I was impressed with Blase step up, too.
quasi wharf
CV makes me happy. 
silent cliff
oh yeah, any cv matches you guys recommend? i wanna watch the fun shitshow cv puts up
balmy wolf
dapper lantern
👀
balmy wolf
a retirement, ouch
limber pine
Rip fissure
hidden vault
Better for seoul
balmy wolf
welp I imagine seoul will be looking for another main tank
I hope they consider kaiser
supple prism
why do they need another
hidden vault
For an A/B team
balmy wolf
also u need a backup
hidden vault
Yes but many teams in the league do not have back ups
worn falcon
Wew fissure
hidden vault
Fornite maybe
silent cliff
read on r/cow he said he wanted to be a game dev
hidden vault
Interesting
balmy wolf
hes got the toxicity of one
silent cliff
Yikes™
balmy wolf
he can be the next phil fish
instead of rage quitting scrims he can rage quit deadlines
pearl stratus
Marvel fit them better either way,.
upper niche
It's a week old now but I really do love this breakdown of Clockwork comp - and I wanna see it played more by groups in ladder 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6bV1aaYZz4
sullen berry
@pearl stratus do agree Seoul felt like three tanks and one man trying too hard to be the decisionmaker as if it was Gladiators
But he ended up with a last year's spitfire roster version 2.0
echo quest
Damn he retired. He said he was gonna take a break. Rip
He confirmed 2-2-2
We might see Striker again pog u
silent cliff
dps :D!
balmy wolf
How in tarnation do i see my tokens
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf the in-game overwatch league tab
balmy wolf
opinions on the 2-2-2 lock?
It’s a terrible idea
Imagine a house that has bugs
And you would normally get an exterminator or find some other way to solve your problem
But instead you decide to burn the house down
Burning the house down is what role lock is
I think this betters the causal community immensely.
No one like being a healer in 4 or even 3 dps comps.
Same with tank.
Like a major reason why ppl wanted it was because Goats dominated for the longest time. However that isn’t really the issue anymore. I don’t care about the casual community cause I think it’ll be ass.
There are 16 dps heroes and 7 tanks and 7 supports. And you’re wondering why there are more dps players on your team when it’s the most attractive role in the game?
Its not about goats, its about the same thing happening in the future.
It may help out plat and gold and silver but everywhere else I imagine dps que times are gonna be ass
Yea but in doing this you basically cement only three comps now unless blizzard comes out with a revolutionary main tank
Dive, bunker, rein zarya
With the most powerful likely being double snipers
I imagine comps will be more map dependent.
But a balance patch will likely be coming when its introduced.
Maybe but I’m now expecting balance changes to basically decide.
Bunker is strong af rn
But in the long run the lock is better, even if its the lesser of the 2 evils.
It’s not tho. You can effectively work around issues like goats with temporary patches and changes that still work and enable every comp. because of this I’m pretty sure hammond will never be touched
Same with brig
balmy wolf
Oh it's more than that
He apparently wanted to retire in season 1
Not because of the bench
He probs was bench since his competitive drive was gone
trim shadow
owl will do that to you
balmy wolf
Oh well
echo quest
Blizzard should support their t2-3 scene better
balmy wolf
Thats an understatement
trim shadow
blizzard should use the hots path to pro they had
where everyone got supported
before they yeeted heros of the storm esports and effectivetly killing it
balmy wolf
Playing support or tank is almost like a constant headache
U can still win but still feel like crap
balmy wolf
Oh them getting bully by everyone else
trim shadow
being a mt or tank of anykind isnt fun
balmy wolf
Yea thats a problem with how the tank role was designed
trim shadow
mostly cause if your supports are shit your shit
trim shadow
but in paladins its fun regardless
balmy wolf
Making tank fun to play is hard
Probs why its so hard to find good ones in pro
And why its value so much compared to other roles
trim shadow
i blame tank for generally being a dry position
you have 2 shield tanks 1 who
who's only use is bunker
echo quest
Compare Pros from Lol and OW. The OW pros aren’t obsessed with the game.
trim shadow
then you have winston whos a main and off tannk hybrid
dva who has multiple roles and generally a flex
echo quest
There are several OWL pros that don’t even play ranked. E.g Gesture
trim shadow
why would you?
echo quest
Ranked is a shitshow xD
trim shadow
solo que in lol is a testament to a players skill
he grinded the solo que ladder hard put in the work and hes looking improved
super went to disneyland and can still hit shatters 360
trim shadow
getting in gm is basically...get 3-4 friends 1 of them is just somehow good and hell carry
echo quest
Or Just be good teammate that has decent awareness and you’ll climb
Getting Challenger in LoL means your a fucking god at the game. Even if you one trick
trim shadow
thats a perfect way to explain getting to challenger
challenger is like...0.10% of the game
i think dont quote me
but its widely praised if you reach challenger
some koreans have like 3 accounts in challenger
echo quest
Lol pros straight up say that there is little difference between them and Very high challenger players in Mechanical skill
The difference is in their Macro,coordination and awareness
trim shadow
cause most of the time challenger is pros 
youll probably find like a couple of no names in there but generally challenger is mostly pros or try hard gamers
and anyone can be gm in ow
echo quest
^
vagrant niche
🦀 Goats is dead 🦀
sullen berry
🦀 Sombra carries 🦀
balmy wolf
Stage 4 pine?
limber pine
No reason to play him over Libero, SBB, or Nenne
little silo
Nenne is more flexible and his Widow is safer. Hes also insane at widow
is flower a hitscan as well?
gaunt acorn
sort of
pearl stratus
Flowers more someone you sub in when you want to let the other team have a map.
little silo
Like Janus back when he was on NYXL?
little silo
What about stage playoffs
Fusion vs NY Stage 2 finals
NY and Janus lose the first 2 maps Mano comes in and they reverse sweep
balmy wolf
Is stage 4 is entirely like role lock
Then what reason would you ever put in sbb or pine since libero and nenne are so flexible
little silo
Great timing. Just when the meta is finally evolving
unless Tracer is suddenly important again I see no reason to play SBB. And I think Nenne and Libero both have a pretty good Tracer
pearl stratus
Wait what?
Janus lost a TON of maps in Season 1.
Most series tend to go: Play Janus, lose map or two, put in Mano to recover.
balmy wolf
Sbb u can put in cause of leader status but thats harder for pine and flower
pearl stratus
SBB in raw tracer still beats out Nenne just because his style is so unique.
So I see SBB having a spot.
Pine or Flower? Hit or miss.
little silo
Sbb is a decent widow but I think Nenne is better
Nenne can play pretty much any hitscan right?
balmy wolf
Meh I think I’d rather pine for that pop off ability
I dont think ive ever seen nenne truly pop off
little silo
Pine is risky
Communication and coordination should be way better because of Goats
And Nenne can also pop off
He was a really good Widow against London (imo)
dapper lantern
Look, I'm a huge advocate for Pine. I love him. But people are looking at this through rose colored glasses lmao
Nenne pops off, you're just not paying attention to it
pearl stratus
The best thing about Pine
Is that pine trees can be used to build benches.
To store your Pine.
pearl stratus
Everyone on NYXL can play Widow to be fair. Nenne is probably the most consistent.
And if Widow isn't clicking Nenne can actually play a whole lot of other things.
Pine realistically plays Widow and McCree.
pearl stratus
He played Tracer once against original all chinese Shanghai, but that wouldn't fly against anyone else.
He has a few projectiles, Hanzo and the like. No top tier Genji or anything like that, but the basics.
little silo
Libero is insane. He can play pretty much any dps to a servicable level
pearl stratus
Then again we might have shit lock for Stage 4.
little silo
and some to an even higher standard
pearl stratus
I'm super excited to see Orissa Hog Double Sniper.
bronze scroll
is there anybody who can explain to me the pro's and con's of the role lock. I mostly get the pro's but i don't really get what people see as con's except for limited flexibility.
pearl stratus
Pros: People shut the fuck up finally.
Cons: People start bitching about something else.
little silo
Pros: Easier to balance (maybe)
Cons: Limited variety of comps
pearl stratus
Unless Blizzard is actively willing to go in and nerf shit hard.
You're not getting any real change.
You'll find 2-2-2 just locks into one thing, probably forever.
balmy wolf
For the pro scene you no longer get goats
little silo
you would always see the same tanks and supports but maybe a different dps
balmy wolf
A con would be
raw ermine
we need more supports and tanks is the thing
balmy wolf
Most if not every comp becomes the same based on basically the patch
balmy wolf
Im expecting entirely bunker vs bunker
bronze scroll
okay. I have also heared calls for a ban system were teams can ban or protect sertain heroes before the game starts, what would you guys think of that?
pearl stratus
Bunker is double sniper now.
Orissa + Hog + Widow + Hanzo.
Ezpz win.
There's not enough heroes for an efficient ban system.
You need LoL stupidity of balancing for that.
"here's 150 heroes, 12 of them are good. Go."
pearl stratus
2/2/2 relies too heavily on Blizzard basically nerfing the fuck out of something every 6 months to me.
There will literally always be a best comp.
Always.
So unless Blizzard is going to be like "Welp. that was 6 months of double sniper. Widow damage reduced by 60%"
You're going to run into the same stale meta issues
No matter what happens.
balmy wolf
You swap out goats vs goats
For bunker vs bunker
You could attempt to run a different comp against it but you would be disadvantaged until said comp becomes nerfed
pearl stratus
my biggest issue is I don't want to see DPS just for the sake of worse competition.
I'm sorry most peoples favorite players are shit and can't work as a team.
But the problem isn't so much goats as it was the parity.
Only two, maybe three, teams could play proper goats. The rest just looked like a bunch of morons humping a doorknob.
Some teams early on (Shanghai etc) learned about Sombra and did their thing.
But the lock won't magically fix the parity.
OGE won't be magically not burned out since his team has shit people and shit coaches because 2/2/2 is in.
Etc, etc.
upper niche
Man, with there being soooooo much 2/2/2 talk everywhere it'll be a real let-down if the Season 17 start doesn't have role lock in some way.
pearl stratus
The rumors are only for pro play, not for ladder.
So why would you think the ladder would get it?
It's easier to implement in pro-play because you don't have to worry about things like SR.
balmy wolf
I kinda imagine brig and hammond and ashe would now be dead in the pro scene now because of 2/2/2
pearl stratus
You also basically disable a chunk of the roster for Season 17 unless the patch includes a metric SHIT TON of balance changes.
Pretty much. Brig can't manage in two support.
balmy wolf
What heroes would be dead or even less used
pearl stratus
Brig, Hammond are two, because now you have to waste a slot with an OT for hammond.
You can do a Hammond D'va as Chengdu does, but most teams aren't practiced at it.
and will just play Winston in situations like that
We'll go back to old Kings Row style.
So no Rein/Zarya for most of the time.
And I expect Orissa to take Reins spot in those situations anyway at this point.
balmy wolf
You think tracer in dive will be swapped out for sombra?
pearl stratus
I, legitimately, don't think we'll see as much dive as people think.
Dive got hit really hard by the armor nerfs overall.
I think people forget that picks like Sombra/Widow got upwards of 25%+ damage on things like Winston and D'va.
Widow on her machine gun fire, but thats still used when you get dove if you don't have grapple
supple prism
Orisa and hammonds damage got some of the biggest benefits from the armor nerf
oak bloom
why do they keep pine on the team than
whats the benefit to having players that you will never even let play, just backup?
balmy wolf
Sick days as well as emotional support
Why do u think dallas keeps mickie
Or shanghai with gehuri
Geguri
oak bloom
gotta be hard on the people benched after a while
swift moth
You bench pine because either he is better then nene or he is your teams “poster boy” ie losing him would anger the fans
pearl stratus
Doesn't necessarily have to be hard on Pine.
Most players on NYXL are making at least six figures.
Could think of worse things than goofing off for six figures.
swift moth
Maybe he is learning Zaria and will get put in like s4 on brig
swift moth
There are better zaryas then nene
pearl stratus
And none of them are on NYXL.
swift moth
Maybe he will take Brig? I also doubt they will use him but it is in the realm of possibility
pearl stratus
That's like saying there's better widows than Pine.
swift moth
Actually figured it out
pearl stratus
Except in that situation one o them is on NYXL
swift moth
Pineheardt
little silo
theres no reason to keep pine rn other than marketing and supporting the team
pearl stratus
Marketing matters. Hex said it bes ton Avasts stream.
There's a lot of people in the OWL who are just there to sell jerseys.
And thats perfectly valid for the teams.
little silo
winning is nice but you really only earn money in stage playoffs if you win the whole thing
swift moth
I would say there are a lot of players who are forced to se jerseys
I think they would rather play
oak bloom
dafran sold a shit ton of jerseys
pearl stratus
And he was never a great Zarya.
little silo
Dafran was a marketing stunt that worked out well
pearl stratus
But he sold a SHIT ton of jerseys.
oak bloom
people bought even more when he retired
little silo
ofc they want to play but how else is the team gonna make money?
little silo
Why would you keep investing in a team if it doesnt pay off at some point?
hidden vault
Tbf Atlanta did do better with drafran around
little silo
Just so we can have something nice to watch?
Atlanta kinda collapsed near the end of Stage 1 didnt they
swift moth
Wdym
worldly cove
@little silo oh hi
swift moth
Baby bay struggled when he first was in the team
little silo
hey
balmy wolf
I really dont see much of a gameplay difference from babybay or dafran on zarya if I’m being honest
worldly cove
If xqc rejoined OWL, high well would he compete against the other MT competitors
little silo
he has not really played in esports since OWL S1 S1-2
worldly cove
I feel like at xqc's peak he would be at pokpo's level
little silo
World Cup doesnt really count and doesnt really matter too
worldly cove
Or maybe fates' level
little silo
Not Fate
worldly cove
Fates' lowest point I mean
oak bloom
his winston is pretty good, other tanks not so much
worldly cove
His Winston feeds at times
swift moth
He is tiltable.
worldly cove
I personally think he excells on rein
little silo
He could grind like crazy and according to Jayne is very coachable but I dont see that happening
swift moth
@balmy wolf dafran landed more gravs
worldly cove
Even if he was in Dallas Fuel's current state xqc would probably leave after 2-3 stages
swift moth
^
little silo
Or get banned after 2 weeks
swift moth
That would happen naturally
nova wadi
mvp skin is now available by the way
little silo
Roar is solid
balmy wolf
No complaints
little silo
Not outstanding but good
balmy wolf
My top tank is still Mano
swift moth
I like super more than Mano
balmy wolf
I remember only once when nyxl tried triple dps
Jjonak on tracer
Was painful
To watch I mean
little silo
I like offtanks just picking up dps all the time
little silo
Nico on Dva?
balmy wolf
I dont care about paris besides soon so no idea how bad they doing or the rest of their players
swift moth
s4 on dva?
balmy wolf
Surefour doesnt make me think that’s strange
Bro plays everything
It’s nutty
“What do you main?”
“Yes”
Even though he is on dps slot
swift moth
Dps slot ——> brig slot
balmy wolf
Or zarya
worldly cove
Danteh on dva is fucking horrid
trim shadow
echo quest
@pearl stratus six figures are a bit much lmao
Carpe was reportedly the highest salary at 180k
In S1
little silo
they might make more rn unless they signed a contract for a certain amount of years
pearl stratus
Reportedly, most every source also rumored all of NYXL over 100k.
So even if its just 105k, its 6 figures.
I'd also assume all of Vancouver, for instance, is over the six figure mark.
Even Hooreg.
LW Blue was a known, and expensive, commodity.
pearl stratus
No, lol.
A million is 7 figures 😛
6 figures just means six numbers total.
So anything 100,000 to 999,999 would technically be a six figure salary.
echo quest
I wonder if OWL will ever get players in the 7 figure range. Since in LoL the very elite are in that range
spiral drum
F in the chat for fissure
pearl stratus
Fuck Fissure.
Did I do it right
Actually don't care that he quit at all. Marve1 fit the team better, and Seoul deserves to have players who don't cry and bitch and ragequit scrims like a scrub.
balmy wolf
Low key wanted him to go to florida just to see him pummeled a bit more
pearl stratus
I respect his mechanical skill, but everything else about him was sketch.
balmy wolf
I lost respect for him when he threw the gladiators vs london game
Dude had the potential to have taken that team to the finals and they got fucked
echo quest
I just wish he played in the playoffs. The gladiators did everything they could to make him feel comfortable. Got a Korean chef and got his ex team void from Kongdoo
Teammate*
raw ermine
when did he throw?
tawny sigil
was fissure trolling?. isn't he under NDA?
pearl stratus
From all accounts he's kind of a giant man child. Though all those accounts could be wrong too.
But usually when someone moves teams that much there's reasons.
At least in traditional sports.
Earlier in the career its usually because of team conflicts.
Later in the career its because the career is over and you're trying to find anyone to give you a chance.
tawny sigil
so fissure is gone, and says 222 is happening for stage 4, i just dont know if he's trolling or breaking NDA
raw ermine
The Jjonak skin is here!
pearl stratus
Who knows.
2-2-2 is going to fucking suck either way.
I hate sniper metas.
Legit 100% worse than goats.
Such a slow play, zzzz.
tawny sigil
i wanted 2-2-2 but NotLikeThis
pearl stratus
I wanted 2-2-2 for Ladder.
It makes zero sense to limit pros because of whiny viewers.
Especially with the current shifts going on.
tawny sigil
ill beleive it when i see it, and if they did, it will prove to me that OWL manager have no fucking clue what they're doing
pearl stratus
On that same note though, I really hope people realize that 2-2-2 isn't going to make their games better. Just the perception of it. Each tier still has its issues.
Plat players are still going to trickle, not comm, and pick dumb shit even in 2-2-2.
tawny sigil
well its not 2-2-2 that will make the game better, its 3 different SR that will
pearl stratus
Diamond players will still not really coordinate ults and have bad positioning.
tawny sigil
if they bring 2-2-2 and leave 1 SR, i wont even bother
ill play DPS and go down rank, then play healer go back up, and keep doing that
pearl stratus
I'd hope its different SRs, and not that LoL bullshit they tried to do at first.
tawny sigil
does LoL have seperate SR?
pearl stratus
It didn't originally iirc. Your win/loss would affect everything, and you could trade around roles and stuff. It was super exploitable and barely worked.
Because 99% of the time if you picked fill you'd just get support.
But you'd have people filling support, get into games like 3k lower SR than them, then trade someone for like.. ADC.
So suddenly it was like GM v. Bronze.
Granted the solo carry ability in OW is nowhere near like LoL, but it was a shit system.
tawny sigil
so they didn't have it and now they do?
pearl stratus
I believe they have, I stopped playing LoL and following it.
I just know if they do separate role queue SR (which they should) they need to do a better job with placements.
Or remove them entirely.
Because I wouldn't want to do 20 or 30 placement matches a season.
Fuck that.
tawny sigil
placement is not even real anyway, exept the first one
puts you back exactly where you were
trim shadow
late on this but i think jjonak has the most expensive contract
due to his mechnical skill
probably good enough to say 250k-300k
winning mvp last year and all
and his consistency throughout season 1
swift moth
Decay is 300k
tawny sigil
how does it work, the league last like 6-7 months, are the players paid through the entire year or just those month?