Shame on them for not playing their strength
#esports-discussion
fervent scaffold
uneven wren
on dorado titans played 2-2-2 on attack
trim shadow
This is pretty much how you break season standings outside of vancouver
uneven wren
constantly got slept by kariv
trim shadow
There still 51 maps deep
balmy wolf
ye it was pretty strange not seeing titans go with 3-3
fervent scaffold
Yeah, I heard Haksal got destroyed
balmy wolf
thats their bread and butter
upper niche
@uneven wren To be fair it was closer to 1-2-2.
balmy wolf
shock is pretty close
trim shadow
Bumper getting hard focused just like in stage 2 playoffs
uneven wren
jjanu should play brig and sms zarya
fervent scaffold
I had a feeling Titans might struggle if the meta shifted so goats wasn't playable but for them to not play it at all was assinine
trim shadow
My 28-0 dreams shattered
dreamy cave
kariv was putting people in fucking comas
uneven wren
i see jjanu playing brig on stream
upper niche
Haksal was non-existent for most of that offensive push.
uneven wren
haksal got big kills but kept getting slept
trim shadow
they were good at a meta
balmy wolf
runaway will master a meta down to a teeth
but the process of mastering one takes time and thats when they are at their weakest
autumn briar
Today was the day of upsets
upper niche
Haksal on Pharah was just...
fervent scaffold
It will be interesting to see where they go from here
uneven wren
it's okay titans are gonna come back from this
fervent scaffold
Do they play goats next game or this shit again
uneven wren
but the playing field is more even
fervent scaffold
If they do this again, it's questionable.
dreamy cave
there not gonna win as much as they did before
balmy wolf
titans need to either learn sombra goats better or stick with 3-3
now the other teams know how to hit them hard
fervent scaffold
They need to try someone else on Zarya so Seominsoo can stay on her
mint slate
balmy wolf
i rather have jjanu flex on sombra instead
fervent scaffold
Jjanu isn't even close in terms of the strength seominsoo has on her
balmy wolf
seominsoo needs to stay on zarya
if they can do that then their chances at becoming better at sombra goats will be higher
fervent scaffold
When I heard he was on her, and then saw his stats, it wasn't looking good in my book
uneven wren
haksal is the team's main sombra
fervent scaffold
Who else on their roster could maybe play Sombra outside of jjanu
Can any of the others flex to Brig?
balmy wolf
dps players
uneven wren
jjanu can play brig if that's the case
uneven wren
he just needs practice time on it
fervent scaffold
But can he play Brig to haksals level? That's the issue with Titans.
balmy wolf
hakasl is too good on the brig to be switched out
proven saddle
So far, best stage overall
plucky rune
best weekend
fervent scaffold
Moving their core pieces around will smack them. Which is why I think it would help for one of the benched players pick up sombra and master her if they need it
You saw it today
west pumice
balmy wolf
but the issue with that is, you'd ideally need either seominsoo or jjanu to take over the sombra because of just how utterly impressive they are
if be better to have just jjanu learn sombra
west pumice
even though they are not playing
balmy wolf
and you need the capability to run a regular 3 3 and regular comps as well
fervent scaffold
If jjanu learns you're ok because it's usually the dva anyways
balmy wolf
I actually don't think it should be jjanu. Jjanu is actually the best DVA ever and to see him not play that is actually like hard
fervent scaffold
But to drop your zarya, one of the best in the league who also enables your MTs playstyle is stupid
proven saddle
stage 1&2 was clearly dominated by TITans and Shock, third place NY and 4th gladiator now it's more mixed up
i would argue that the 4th best team now are my pink bois
balmy wolf
kariv should be on that MVP list now
proven saddle
fervent scaffold
One game does not make you an mvp candidate 
dapper lantern
it wasn’t one game
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was THE GAME
gaunt acorn
he hasn't been a consistent backbone of his team like sinatraa or twilight
he played out of his mind today
fervent scaffold
^
gaunt acorn
but he isn't suddenly a frontrunner for season mvp
fervent scaffold
If he does this consistently from here on out, fine
But he has to play to the same level
west pumice
proven saddle
no not at all, but kariv deserves (and will get) way more attention
gaunt acorn
sure, nobody's arguing that
proven saddle
I love how kruise suddenly get his shit toguether for the hand shake
vagrant niche
you think the other people who don't lose aren't emotionally invested?
and they don't have to break equipment
rare sonnet
they express it differently
rare sonnet
to be honest i think they probably are less emotionally invested
tropic herald
Imagine getting reverse swept by a 5 game losing streak team
vagrant niche
disagree
tropic herald
Not a great feeling
vagrant niche
it's not the first time a team has been reversed swept like that
tropic herald
Who?
proven saddle
you're saying here from the comodity of your pc
stark salmon
Oh my goodness
proven saddle
they have the pressure of the crowd
vagrant niche
yall think i don't get frustated at my games? i don't break my equipment
fervent scaffold
Just because you don't like how a player deals with furstration doesn't mean it's wrong. Sometimes you need that letout
stark salmon
LA Valiant wont against Titans?
rare sonnet
Kruise doesn't have the personality of a wet towel like most of the league so the frustration is understandable, vocal with wins vocal with losses
dim raptor
WEEBS MAD
dapper lantern
lmao
proven saddle
how the hell it's a rank game compared to OWL?
fervent scaffold
It's not
vagrant niche
we talkinga bout emotional investment
who are you to tell me i don't get invested on my games
dapper lantern
why do you get so angry, you always come in here saying your opinions and get mad when someone challenges that
vagrant niche
whatever, this talk is stupid at this point
cloud latch
what happened to owl0
rare sonnet
because it isn't your livelihood
tropic herald
OWL is a whole different level of stress and investment
rare sonnet
duh
vagrant niche
yall can justify him all you want
fervent scaffold
You don't at the same level. Playing in front of a crowd at all is a much different atmosphere
cloud latch
how did tthe titans lose
proven saddle
just imagine all people saying "ADRIAN IS A FEEDER LUL"
clear crane
kariv is very consistent
gaunt acorn
@cloud latch sombra goats and kariv ana
vagrant niche
i'm still emotionally invested, who are you to tell me my investment is less important than his?
vagrant niche
who are you to be the judge of that?
fervent scaffold
Do you play in front of a crowd for your job?
tropic herald
It’s his job
rare sonnet
you don't get paid to play OWL it is obvious your investment isn't equal to somebody on stage with a job on the line
proven saddle
DUDE YOU'RE THE ONE JUDGING KRUISE
fervent scaffold
No? Alright then. That's settled
dapper lantern
no one is saying that he’s right for breaking property. we’re saying that we have different ways of coping with emotions and that’s okay lmao
proven saddle
was that a childish reaction? yes. does that make him an asshole? no
gaunt acorn
playing on stage is not comparable to playing at home
fervent scaffold
That's like saying any professional sports player shouldn't break equipment out of frustration, and while most agree, those of us who have been there at a lower level get it because we also play in front of a crowd for a job, that job being our spot on the field
dapper lantern
shouldn’t have started it then
fervent scaffold
Doesn't make it any less right, but what you're saying is playing on stage is comparable to practice
Which isn't the case at all
proven saddle
@dapper lantern couldn't agree more
proven saddle
well whatever, the league is getting more competitive than ever and i couldn't be happier
tropic herald
Ok so basically LAV looks like a playoff team again
This stage feels legitimately competitive
It’s not just the Shock:Titans snow anymore
Show
dapper lantern
fervent scaffold
NGL, the only reason I think the top 2 lost was
- Shock overconfident
- Stupid strat with minimal adjustments
dapper lantern
amazing
dark bone
The reason why Vancouver lost, is that they are like shock, they can't handle sombra
This is the only reason
balmy wolf
I would argue the shift in the meta
fervent scaffold
No, I don't think that's why
balmy wolf
Teams got better
dark bone
Sombra is becoming a bigger part of the meta
tropic herald
Titans also one tricked the heck out of GOATs
balmy wolf
Yea so it’s coming back as punishment
fervent scaffold
They've played against sombra before but moved some of their players to stuff they haven't mastered. Making seominsoo not play zarya really hurt them
tropic herald
And as we all know one tricking is not good in this game long term
balmy wolf
I dont think it was seominsoo being sombra was the issue
But Jjanu not being able to DVA cause he was a vast majority of the peels of the team
proven saddle
i think it was twilight not changing zen the first two match also
fervent scaffold
Seominsoo really enables bumper and has ridiculous output on Zarya
dark bone
Titans and shock destroy everyone in Goats vs Goats, but they can't win against sombra, and i'm sure sombra goats will be more played than normal goats in the end of this season
fervent scaffold
Jjanu doesn't even compare
proven saddle
and jjanu zarya wasn't the best
tropic herald
Ok but Clockwork isn’t necessarily flawless
dark bone
Jjanu on zarya is a mistake
tropic herald
Titans played like they had a Dva but they didn’t
dark bone
Seominsoo on zarya is a big part of Vancouver's succes
It should be Jjanu flexing on sombra
tropic herald
Half of bumpers plays get enabled by Jjanu’s Dva
fervent scaffold
That's why I said Vancouver had a stupid strat tonight. Hands down the strongest true goats team. Shock had to pull out sombra to beat them on some maps iirc
vagrant niche
Why isn't Ark's sound barrier not on top 5?
dark bone
Either Jjanu learns how to play sombra, or Vancouver will keep losing to every sombra team
vagrant niche
that shit was genius
balmy wolf
@fervent scaffold they did on one map only and it was last ditch effort as well
dark bone
Now that everyone has seen what are Vancouver's weakness
balmy wolf
shock were beating them in a 3-3 mirror
proven saddle
or maybe put stitch on sombra
fervent scaffold
Vancouver has had weaknesses. Jayne pointed them out in an analysis on YT. Now the players are learning how to capitalize on it
dark bone
Shock and vancouver are on a completely different Goats level than the rest of OWL, but they are trash at sombra
tropic herald
It’ll probably be on FreshNuts @dim raptor
balmy wolf
though shock do know how to play against sombra its just now all the teams are playing her
balmy wolf
I mean look at shock last stage against dragons, they had a 60% winrate when emp was used
dark bone
Vancouver and shock are just late at playing sombra
while a lot of teams started playing her from stage 1 or 2
dark bone
lol
balmy wolf
rck titled kruise pretty hard
dark bone
This time, it was Kruise tilting, and not Fusion
balmy wolf
legit he got a hack off kruise and then just emp and won the fight
What a time to be a lucio player
but yeah eternal are probs not gonna make stage playoffs due to this lose
since seoul is next for their match
dapper lantern
I feel so bad for laughing at the kruise clip
balmy wolf
It was ridiculous
silent cliff
vancouver got boomed pog
balmy wolf
They were expected to be one of the best goats teams and now well we all saw what happened there
dark bone
But valiant wasn't palying goats
And vancouver are part of the best goats teams in this league
balmy wolf
cant believe people thought paris was gonna be top tier on goats
balmy wolf
and paris didnt pick them up
dark bone
Remember the pre-season? Paris self proclaimed them the goats king lul
balmy wolf
and now europe is not even king in goats since the Atlantic showdown
silent cliff
did vancouver ever play non goats till now
dark bone
yeah
tropic herald
Yes
dark bone
did you watch Chendgu vs vancouver?
silent cliff
who were they playing against
tropic herald
Chengdu
silent cliff
oh chengdu
fervent scaffold
They've memed a few teams
proven saddle
they did, bumper's hanzo
tropic herald
Haksal Gengi
dark bone
Bumpermaker too
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and bumper tracer
titans trying to outplaay chengdu style against chengdu was hella fun
dark bone
they did win nepal
How can you counter sombra goats or sombra dps comps btw?
because rn, it seems unbeatable
balmy wolf
play a dps comp of your own or use sombra goats
proven saddle
hacking sombra 4head
jagged crater
titans were using sombra goats whatsup with that
dapper lantern
ultimately, it depends on the level of the sombra and how well your team can respond to her. if you have good supports, they can stun or sleep her before she can execute anything.
proven saddle
i hope blizz nerf her before it get too dominant
dapper lantern
but this ultimately depends. and it varies from team to team. not all sombra players are good and sometimes it’s not even her, she gets shut down if you can read her movements.
but what do I know, I’m not a professional lmao
gaunt acorn
they just buffed her again 5 days ago
fervent scaffold
I must have missed it. What did they do?
silent cliff
yikes, does vancouver have a good sombra?
proven saddle
yes, but it's their zarya
balmy wolf
they dont
silent cliff
jjanu on zarya feels cursed
fervent scaffold
Their Sombra is apparently Seominsoo
balmy wolf
which sucks
fervent scaffold
Idk if that's true or not
silent cliff
usually it's the dva who flexes onto sombra right
fervent scaffold
So they need to train someone else on it so their lack of Zarya bubble doesn't hurt
Yes
balmy wolf
unless your LA and NY who have 3 dps on the starting lineup
fervent scaffold
So Jjanu or stitch or one of the bench players need to learn her
proven saddle
or do like nyxl and bench his dva for a while
silent cliff
meko is also very good on sombra
balmy wolf
not good enough apparently
silent cliff
i haven't watched sbb play sombra yet so i can't be sure which one is better
i mean, haven't watched the matches where sbb is on sombra
balmy wolf
besides being the dps, sbb is also the captain
proven saddle
and nyxl hasn't even used neither pine or flower
silent cliff
nyxl has like 4 dps
balmy wolf
5
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@balmy wolf lol, getting your captain benched
silent cliff
pine, flow3r, sbb, libero
balmy wolf
nenne
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jjonak
silent cliff
oh right i forgot nenne's dps lol
proven saddle
okno
silent cliff
is jjonak a good widow
plucky rune
no
dapper lantern
eh
plucky rune
well, relative to the people he plays against
proven saddle
also SBB is the more handsome korean #nohomo
silent cliff
sbb is genuinely wholesome, can't say a bad thing about him
proven saddle
married man meta lul
silent cliff
that's why linkzr is pog on houston atm
proven saddle
he is really competitive but not cocky
proven saddle
unlike profit
proven saddle
and SBB was happy for jjonak ❤
silent cliff
nyxl is happy for jjonak, and who wouldn't be
the skin is actually dope
time to spend 10$ because blizzard doesn't support your country for tokens :(
balmy wolf
oof
silent cliff
i live in the philippines
some countries aren't eligible for OWL tokens
so i have to buy skins with cold hard cash
proven saddle
try using a vpn
silent cliff
i dropped about 30$ just for skins, feelsbad
i don't think it works that way, battlenet still uses your country of origin
dapper lantern
doesn’t work
proven saddle
oh yeah, that sucks
silent cliff
guess i have to drop 10$ for the zen skin
silent cliff
i already dropped 10$ for mercy nvomnfd
proven saddle
honestly i there wasn't for the skins i wouldn't have started watching owl
tropic herald
$10 for a good skin
silent cliff
yeah, that's true
the skin is really really damn good
oh well, i spent like 5$ on pink mercy
can't get any worse
balmy wolf
love it when the orbs eyes turn red for discord
silent cliff
oh same, i thought at first i'd get skins so i started watching OWL
became genuinely invested
dapper lantern
I mean people literally pay $20+ for skins in fornite so I don’t want to hear anything about purchasing owl tokens or loot boxes
dapper lantern
exactly
silent cliff
also looks like xepher finally cashed in his scrimbucks™
tropic herald
I’m one of those people who payed 20 for a skin FeelsBadMan
dapper lantern
e x a c t l y
silent cliff
wtf happened to houston
proven saddle
it may sound xenophobic but i started rooting for Seoul not for their skins, but because it was (and still being) the only korean team
silent cliff
from beating the stage 2 champions to losing to a pepega tier team
tropic herald
FCTFCTN and Shax were both huge pick ups too
river ember
WAIT
silent cliff
tfw houston never played fctfctn much rip
tropic herald
Titans tried playing Sombra GOATs
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[went wrong]
tropic herald
And they are mad bc they are bad
silent cliff
short answer: kariv sleeps
long answer: vancouver got fucking boomed by kariv and the Gang™
tropic herald
FCTFCTN and Shax had their counterparts numbers too
silent cliff
did fctfctn make bumper his bitch today
tropic herald
Yea
silent cliff
it's the Ameng Effect
proven saddle
yeah now it seems that contenders it's up at OWL level
silent cliff
the contenders pickups were huge, yeah
i'm happy valiant is doing so good again
tropic herald
Honestly each LAV player just played better than the Titans player
silent cliff
kuki as lucio were the dark ages
tropic herald
I’m in general happy bc even Pepega tier teams are starting to get better
tropic herald
Dallas has a tough season
Unless they randomly get good they are out of the playoffs
silent cliff
so... like houston and valiant
silent cliff
yeah, that's a big yikes
tropic herald
And think about their roster
silent cliff
you a dallas fan?
tropic herald
No
silent cliff
zach and gamsu can feed third world countries
tropic herald
I’m personally on the Spark train rn
silent cliff
i'm on nyxl/spark
tropic herald
They have the same exact energy as London last year
silent cliff
maybe a bit of glads but i don't support them as much as i did last season
spark is actually pretty pog
tropic herald
Yea
silent cliff
really good considering their performance at the beginning of the season
i almost forgot nosmite is on the team with how much they're playing guxue
tropic herald
If grand finals go the same way as last year it’s gonna be Spark v Reign bc they are both carbon copies of their predecessors
silent cliff
not too hot on reign atm, really
tropic herald
Okay but who was hot on Fusion in stage 3?
tropic herald
Sombra GOATs and Kariv
tropic herald
Plus ATL had arguably the hardest schedule
silent cliff
with the way kariv plays ana you'd think he's a support player
trim shadow
Apperantly casosre was elected to netherlands owwc team
silent cliff
who's your team?
tropic herald
I mean he is
trim shadow
And sephy is sephy?
silent cliff
i meant, his actual role
kariv is listed as dps
tropic herald
Ok but like Kariv was a support before this season
LAV signed him as dps bc they had Izayaki
balmy wolf
he can switch roles but that didnt go so well in the beginning
his zarya was pretty poor
silent cliff
can u believe he was benched
Lul
balmy wolf
i can see why they put him on dps tho
tropic herald
It makes sense bc Izayaki has a nice zen
tropic herald
But now with Ana being a viable pick Kariv is better
tropic herald
Izayaki also doesn’t play Ana well
silent cliff
oh yeah, what happened to kuki and izayaki
silent cliff
i mean, kariv is also a very good zen
silent cliff
oh yeah, why don't they play kuki on tank
trim shadow
Cause fact fiction?
balmy wolf
kuki is a support lmao
trim shadow
And the meta is shifting
tropic herald
Boston management what a joke
trim shadow
And will probably continue shifting
silent cliff
so is florida's
tropic herald
Okay but like Boston is very clearly going for money not wins
balmy wolf
but selling them gets u money
trim shadow
Also well known
silent cliff
that's what you get if you get rob kraft as your owner
tropic herald
Kraft smh
balmy wolf
boston gets cheap good players and then sells them for higher prices
rinse and repeat
silent cliff
is that why they benched aimgod for persia during their match vs valiant
trim shadow
Its the same method with the patriots
tropic herald
Aimgod was probably gonna get traded
balmy wolf
so....
trim shadow
He lives up to his name tbh
trim shadow
Till rainbow boys cancelled last minute
trim shadow
And cucking asking out of a owl xontract
balmy wolf
poor asking
trim shadow
And now asking is somewhere in contenders
balmy wolf
dude deserves to be in the OWL
tropic herald
There is many contenders who deserve OWL
trim shadow
I hate the rainbow boys on that trade more then how risky it was for boston
silent cliff
oh yeah, is striker on a team?
trim shadow
Yes
tropic herald
Shock
trim shadow
Currently training his widow for stage 4 zoo festival meta
proven saddle
wasn't boston known for paying paying little?
tropic herald
Mayhem gonna look good when they have Gargoyle over Xepher
silent cliff
tbf, anyone is better than xepher at this point
trim shadow
@tropic herald in a week
Pretty sure mayhem have week 4 odd
So they have TOO much time to kick my ass
Aka atlanta
tropic herald
Xepher look alright today payed out his scrimbucks for it
trim shadow
Pls kill me atlanta is gonna have 0-7 stage
We cant beat philly
No way in hell we beat toronto
balmy wolf
nah
trim shadow
in our fucking house
balmy wolf
u guys can beat toronto
tropic herald
ATL plays to their competition
balmy wolf
toronto is one the worst teams rn
proven saddle
idk honestly atl is so inconsistent
balmy wolf
mayhem vs atl is gonna be really interesting
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one day beat NY, the nest one loosing against charge
balmy wolf
then VAL
tropic herald
Toronto decided to give their team a language barrier
balmy wolf
idk the coaching on ATL is not looking good
dogman with the weird trans and babybay weird gravs
proven saddle
but not as bad as Dallas
tropic herald
I’d say ATL has good players but coaching is ehhhh
balmy wolf
oh dallas is going 1-6 this stage'
trim shadow
Im tired of dog and his Plat positioning
proven saddle
i mean im really disappointed
balmy wolf
im surprised kodak wasn't put in
tropic herald
Daco
trim shadow
Hes back in contenderso
balmy wolf
then again probs doesn't fit the style of the team
balmy wolf
even if hes better than dogman in some instances
proven saddle
@trim shadow as somebody on this server once said, sometimes you get the Pogman other days you get Dogshit
tropic herald
If Dogman would just play more Ana
tropic herald
Ana is better than Zen in Sombra meta anyway
proven saddle
and babybay is just okay
silent cliff
atlanta's probably one of the more inconsistent teams
proven saddle
alongside with chengdu
trim shadow
Aflanta is the most inconsistent team
Beat new york
Take san fran to a map 5
Take a map off vancouver
Boom map against shanghai
Not show up seoul
supple prism
well today was weird
trim shadow
Play like shit against philly
proven saddle
today was the day of proving wrong the casters pref
silent cliff
atlanta's weird
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predictions*
silent cliff
power rankers be scrambling all over the place
trim shadow
Today was the day season standings were broken
Reinforce killinf himself for putting houston OVER ATLANTA
proven saddle
i know right, which is good, that bring so much life into the league
trim shadow
Seriously who the fuck does that when houston has the easiest scheldue?
silent cliff
yeah, OWL became so much more interesting
tropic herald
It’s safe to say Top 5 are Titans, Shock, NYXL, Spark, and probably VAL
tropic herald
The next 10 gets difficult to say
tropic herald
Stitch and jjanu should sombra
silent cliff
before the shanghai game
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silent cliff
lmfao
silent cliff
owl is a meme 2: pepega boogaloo
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i almost forget that even washington gave london a good fight
silent cliff
like i said
pepega boogaloo
silent cliff
i almost forgot mcgravy is on valiant too
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trim shadow
The memes are pouring in
silent cliff
the other teams have been fed
big dick energy
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dallas be like 🤐
wise knoll
When they gonna add Iraq as a team?
proven saddle
well since irak it's not a city ...
trim shadow
Iraq as a team lol
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imagine being dallas, after trading your best sombrafor a good dva
silent cliff
yikes
note needs to grind on sombra now
but tbf akm can be a good sombra, he's just inconsistent
trim shadow
Dallas is officially in what the fuck are we mode
silent cliff
dallas be lower than pepega tier
tropic herald
So many comments on Titans game acting like VAL are the same team from Stage 1 it’s sad
Dallas are on repeat
tropic herald
Id say VAL is top 8 at least
silent cliff
def within top 10 realm, for sure
proven saddle
i mean top 20 for sure
tropic herald
If they continue like this they could make 12 overall and go for a play in pretty easy
silent cliff
val has top tier graphic designers
proven saddle
the same we said with outlaws
trim shadow
Lemme see if he updated
tropic herald
Bench things I don’t like
silent cliff
benchmob yelling at the script writers 
tropic herald
Okay but like
trim shadow
VANCOUVER DID WHAT
tropic herald
VAL has a stable roster
trim shadow
-benchmob
silent cliff
did van choke
silent cliff
yikes
tropic herald
Oh wait lol
gaunt acorn
proven saddle
like uber?
tropic herald
I’ll remember you when I’m famous
silent cliff
kariv broke his back from carrying valiant, more at 11
tropic herald
Kariv definitely played nuts but it wasn’t just him
proven saddle
nah their sombra and their rein played excelent aswell
silent cliff
shax and fctfctn really came through
trim shadow
but kariv was stage hogging
tropic herald
FCTFCTN and Shax
proven saddle
yeah thoses
silent cliff
kariv puts haksal and dding on suicide watch
tropic herald
He’s 4th overall on elims
proven saddle
diem it's considered one of the best widows right now
silent cliff
hot take: carpe < diem
proven saddle
he is not underrated
tropic herald
I swear the casters don’t talk about his monsterousnstats though
silent cliff
who casted val/van?
tropic herald
Diem is for sure better than carpe on widow and Zarya
dapper lantern
achillios
proven saddle
achillios, right
silent cliff
https://twitter.com/LAValiant/status/1142885033784430592 man this is a really well made pre-match poster
i love the painting
who are the best casters?
proven saddle
the one who got rekted by bren
silent cliff
no offense to semmler/hex but
they make me fall asleep sometimes
it sucked too since they casted the shanghai/valiant match
tropic herald
Isn’t Semmler a CSGO guy tho
gaunt acorn
yup
tropic herald
Explains it
gaunt acorn
cs:go has plenty of good casters
gaunt acorn
i know a lot of cs:go fans who are glad semmler left
silent cliff
oh shit, uber's great
proven saddle
the rapgod himself
tropic herald
Honestly I don’t listen to the casters
proven saddle
plus i love, british accent
dapper lantern
yeah, you kinda learn to tune then out
silent cliff
same, british accents are nut
tropic herald
Even the analysts aren’t that great
silent cliff
sideshow is pretty good though
tropic herald
Sideshow is kinda pepega
proven saddle
i really pay attention too the casters on overtime
silent cliff
dapper lantern
watch his streams or at least the stream highlights if you don't already
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and monte because i recognize his voice
silent cliff
i tried ignoring the casters
then i realized that they make exciting matches boring
tropic herald
If the developers didn’t want to make Zen a flanker, why does he have no footsteps?
silent cliff
wolf and achillios are fine i guess, twitch is blocked at my work so i can't watch the full matches
where can you watch owl matches sans twitch
silent cliff
jake was also pretty good as a caster
tropic herald
Super is easily a 6Head so he’d be a good analyst
proven saddle
@silent cliff you can rewatch it on the game itself
tropic herald
Super is so good at the game like if you just base it off of his massive head and how good he is
Tbh I love super he just has a massive ego
So please don’t hate on me
silent cliff
remember when super said that sombra is a crutch
that very crutch was beat on shock's head
tropic herald
That was funny
Sombra is a crutch for weak teams
Also Shock against Titans in Stage 2 Playoffs
silent cliff
how is sombra not viable tho, last i check she isn't deleted yet
proven saddle
malik and puckett are kinda meh
silent cliff
yikes
clear crane
can someone explain what "pepega" is
silent cliff
rawkus was also in the twitch chat during SHD/VAL
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3:50
tropic herald
It’s an emote to show stupidity
proven saddle
that one was one of my highlight from puckett
clear crane
so pepega tier is stupid tier
tropic herald
Basically
tropic herald
It has harsher meanings than just stupid as well
silent cliff
https://twitter.com/LAValiant/status/1141927245461774336 this is still peak kariv don't @ me
proven saddle
pepega is an emote used to indicate that it's stupid/bad but still funny
tropic herald
A common example of Pepega would be xQc saying Cheeto or what type of cat is that?
clear crane
guess thats aperfect word to descsribe the fuel rn haha
kariv prob has one of the highest flex support iqs
not a top top fragger but iq is up there
proven saddle
@tropic herald pretty much
tropic herald
Super has the highest IQ out of all OWL players by far, the way his brain bulges out of his massive head
silent cliff
are there mirrors of matches
dapper lantern
you mean like a rebroadcast?
clear crane
im worried the val are gonna fall flat against the charge
tropic herald
No
clear crane
not as much to london they also dwindling
tropic herald
Not with their momentum VAL are on fire
clear crane
yea but hou was also on fire
tropic herald
VAL has a better line up than Houston plus VAL can actually play GOATs
clear crane
guess im just a pessimisitc val fan given how the season has gone haha
tropic herald
VAL just had a rough start that’s all
clear crane
but too rough that things need to be nearly perfect for them to make the play ins
tropic herald
No they have a pretty good shot
Their schedule isn’t to bad plus teams ahead of them are falling off
clear crane
if anything yea this win convinced me they have a good shot
clear crane
wonder if titans try to play stich more with this meta shifting
analog lark
Valiant beat titans
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Is that a big deal? Kinda new to OWL
tropic herald
6/7 Teams ahead of VAL in overall have worse map records
Yes
Very big deal
Overall 17 beat the #1 Who were undefeated
analog lark
Spiderboy, Titans were undefeated
analog lark
Valiant toppled the Titans
silent cliff
val just became momentarily pepega because they decided to put kariv on zarya and have kuki, a tank, play support
LOL
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Big lame
analog lark
Pretty much
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Use ur brains dumbs
tropic herald
VAL is 17 overall but like with current meta they power ranking is easy top 8
tropic herald
Okay
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I just can't bear watching it anymore
analog lark
Dude it's fun
clear crane
titans were playing ogats since contenders
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Like it hurts
analog lark
To play
clear crane
def a lot more experinece den most teams
analog lark
Not to watch
storm cloak
Yo join me and let's play contenders
tropic herald
So If you think GOATs is boring, you have not seen Double Sniper
dapper lantern
okay, so don't
upper hawk
I like goats more then dive 😮
storm cloak
Hey double sniper is fun
tropic herald
Contenders is not a walk in the park lol
storm cloak
Zip it
silent cliff
question: is harbleu good enough to be in OWL
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I have 100% aim as a torb turret
analog lark
No
silent cliff
yikes
analog lark
He's good
tropic herald
He’s likely to get picked up in the off season
analog lark
But I'd feel like he'd be a mid to low tier off tank
analog lark
Around... envy level I'd say
tropic herald
Why would he be in contenders if he didn’t want OWL
analog lark
There's better options probably
clear crane
hmm havent been paying too close attention
den yea he cud get picked up. hjes agood tank
tropic herald
He seems like a Boston pickup sadly
analog lark
Probably
balmy wolf
he has to improve his dva
pearl stratus
Harbleu really doesn't have the pool for OWL, he's kind of in that weird Mangachu territory where he's mechanically okay for it.
But you need to have a pretty well rounded pool for just about every role now.
tropic herald
Not for Flex tank necessarily rn
pearl stratus
Counter argument:
tropic herald
Wait never mind
pearl stratus
LAV just beat an undefeated team by benching their flex tank.
Because he didn't flex to any of the DPS 😛
tropic herald
Space is basically a Dva one trick
clear crane
def would not say hes a one trick
tropic herald
A lot of OWL “flex tanks” are Dva players
pearl stratus
But when you need your flex to also DPS you want the Hotba, not the Space.
silent cliff
can space play hammond?
pearl stratus
He plays an okay ball, but then you have to keep your MT in for DPS.
Which doesn't work for anyone, including Vancouver.
tropic herald
I think many teams are having MT do ball
pearl stratus
Because you -have- to be able to go back to 3:3 or Sombra 2:1:3.
silent cliff
is bumper a good ball
pearl stratus
No
tropic herald
No
pearl stratus
Jjanu plays ball.
tropic herald
^
pearl stratus
So Bumper plays like Hanzo.
And they tend to lose a lot of control maps because of it.
tropic herald
Bumper is an interesting case
silent cliff
didn't stitch play sombra one time
pearl stratus
Stitch doesn't have a strong Zarya.
silent cliff
yikes
tropic herald
Stitch could be a Sombra
pearl stratus
It's hard the rotation around your3 tanks vs. 2 tanks + Sombra is awkward.
silent cliff
he already was
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Make Daffran come back
supple prism
nah
pearl stratus
Because your Sombra needs to either be able to play D'va or Zarya.
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I heard he's terrible like as a person
tropic herald
Well Titans gonna have to figure Sombra GOATs out fast lol
pearl stratus
And if your Sombra plays Zarya your D'va also has to know Zarya.
For when the Sombra is on Sombra.
I think they'll be fine.
tropic herald
They have to plan their roster better
pearl stratus
I think SMS just needs more confidence and a small play style change.
tropic herald
Bc Jjanu’s Zarya and SMS Sombra weren’t cutting it
pearl stratus
Then they're hard locked to Sombra Goats though
clear crane
Reaper is great 😃
tropic herald
Okay but Sombra GOATs is becoming more normal
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Reeee
pearl stratus
I think they'll be fine. The Runaway org has survived Metas upon Metas.
silent cliff
yeah, it's either have jjanu practice sombra or have seominsoo also grind dva
balmy wolf
i wouldn't bench jjanu, u need him for 3-3
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I lied I'm an Ana main
pearl stratus
It's also only one loss.
Its not like the teams on fire.
If they keep losing?
Then you worry.
tropic herald
I mean NYXL also needed Meko for 3-3 but hey SBB
dapper lantern
The loss was also inevitable. Everyone falls from grace.
clear crane
dva seems to be quite dispensible in this new meta
tropic herald
They lost but they looked like hot garbage compared to earlier
pearl stratus
This one loss doesn't unlock the secret for everyone else to beat Vancouver.
Not like every team has Kariv.
To sleep 35 people.
silent cliff
dva have a lot of nerfs and she's been meta for so long
clear crane
and this new matrix nerf might put her out
balmy wolf
gonna lower her pickrate for sure
tropic herald
tbh Titans look very mortal rn
clear crane
need a team with zeus to take them down for good haha
pearl stratus
I can't think of a lot of teams that would trust Ana alone to take care of a Pharmercy lol
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And people chose dva all the time but no one complained about her
silent cliff
i mean, ryujehong and jjonak can be their own kariv
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People maybe were just a little mad that there was no specific tank that countered dva
pearl stratus
D'va is necessary.
tropic herald
I’m hoping Bebe and Viol2t can Ana
pearl stratus
Because despite her kit D'va gates other, potentially worse bullshit, by her mere existence.
tropic herald
DM by design is OP
pearl stratus
If D'va gets too nerfed and disappears I can almost gaurantee every hitscan in the game will be nerfed.
silent cliff
didn't viol2t play ana or was i halluncinating
tropic herald
But Dva requires coordination
clear crane
dva before the last 2 buffs was fun but too op haha
pearl stratus
Viol2t played some, he's not bad.
tropic herald
Dva until recently has always been good
tropic herald
DM is just an outrageous ability
pearl stratus
People adjusted to the 2sec cooldown
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Before nerf dva could completely cancel out all of tracers shots
pearl stratus
They'll adjust to the DM range.
dapper lantern
I would know.
silent cliff
remember when dva had 400 armor and 200 hp
dapper lantern
The armor/hp swap hasn't caused me to drop her and most people did.
storm cloak
So she could cancel everything lol
dapper lantern
I'll be fine lmao
tropic herald
Remember when Sombra hack was absolutely busted
pearl stratus
The hero itself will be fine.
clear crane
i remember wen bastion was supposed to have a mini rein shield in front of him while in sentry mode
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YES
silent cliff
i still play dva
pearl stratus
That, and Ironclad Bastion were both horrible ideas.
silent cliff
remember when brig's shield bash was on a 5 second cooldown and has 50 dmg
clear crane
didnt care much for ironclad
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Remember when sombra couldn't stay invisible?
silent cliff
and her whipshot/bash can oneshot a tracer
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And people thought her changes were nerfs
pearl stratus
In fairness that really only mattered for ladder.
silent cliff
i mean, a reaper ult couldn't kill 35% ironclad bastion
tropic herald
400 dmg pulse bomb
pearl stratus
In pro play if you stunned that tracer she was dead whether it did damage or not.
Because focused fire exists.
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But focus fire requires communication
pearl stratus
Remember when people thought giving Reaper life steal would matter? 😛
tropic herald
Remember when their was always counterplay to abilities
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And the ability to relatively aim
dapper lantern
That's why he said pro play.
silent cliff
remember when brigitte didn't exist yet
pearl stratus
Remember people crying as much about Tracer as they did about Brig?
tropic herald
Remember when forced movement wasn’t a thing
pearl stratus
Pepperide Farms Remembers.
silent cliff
i've been playing since late 2016 and i never knew genji used to have a "ledge dash"
or something
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Remember when people Actually used mcrees ult instead of using it to insta reload?
tropic herald
You know what this game needs more of?
dapper lantern
The only character I complained about over my 3 years was Doomfist because I legitimately dislike him as a character. Everyone else had bullshit moments in game but it passes. I fucking despise DF.
tropic herald
Forced movement 😎
silent cliff
i also dislike doomfist
pearl stratus
And good luck.
silent cliff
i hate him lol
pearl stratus
With the ladder tards.
silent cliff
no, doom's real counter is sombra 
tropic herald
Everyone’s real counter is Sombra
supple prism
i just use orisa against doom
pearl stratus
If your Sombra is babysitting the backline your Sombra is an idiot.
And should delete the game.
If you can keep track of where Doomfist is he loses so much effectiveness.
silent cliff
doomfist has a fat hitbox
tropic herald
Doom is pretty balanced if you have awareness
pearl stratus
If you have awareness and communication he should never engage at full health really. Minus situations in which the Doomfist and Zarya are in sync.
Thats when Doomfist is scary.
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Remember when dooms ult would insta kill everything?