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trim shadow
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This also happened

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^he answers

fringe crane
pearl stratus
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@night tusk Rather see him, but they need someone else to play instead of them.

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Dogman is pretty much singlehandedly the only reason Atlanta is 0-2 right now, no matter how much Daco tried to carry them.

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His Open Division level of ult usage fucked them so hard against San Fran.

little silo
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That trans usage wouldnt even get you into Contenders Trials in SA

echo quest
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Crimzo is still in contenders just saying

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Atlanta should pick him up

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Wth Alarm gone he the best zen in NA bruh

little silo
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Except for Atlanta what teams need an upgrade in the flex support role

half snow
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Houston is the obvious one.

visual pawn
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i like tacos

little silo
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Houston dont have any money for new players rn

vale pond
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Kodak move is good

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Gives him chance to improve and his salary and stuff is the same

vale pond
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Also dogman is fine

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Idk what this discord’s problem with him is

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he plays very well except for q presses which are coachable

little silo
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i doubt that his salary is the same

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but he will keep living in the Atlanta villa

trim shadow
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lowkey atlanta should go hard for alarm next month

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cause uh...i can see why daco was shit talking them after games in korean

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YOU BLEW IT YOU DOG FUCK

karmic grotto
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ATL has money

trim shadow
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They should cause dafran isnt in contract

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and kodak is 2 way

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so hes probably minimum

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they can realistictly get in this bidding war for alarm

karmic grotto
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They can do it

trim shadow
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i doubt FRD got a big contract

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or any one the boys got a spicy contract or what not

little silo
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kodak isnt 2 way as far as I know

trim shadow
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so hes fully contenders

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i guess it was smart move on his part

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considering atlanta litteraly signed berd like 3 months ago maybe

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might be wrong

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but then berd got dropped from academy so

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well released

little silo
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i doubt that atlanta will be able to get alarm

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fusion have developed him for 2 years

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And they are owned by Comcast

karmic grotto
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Doesn't mean ATL can't buy him

trim shadow
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i doubt fusions will bench boombox

karmic grotto
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If they offer him more than fusion can

little silo
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Philly are building their own arena

trim shadow
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who is shot caller last i checked

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yes philly needs to make

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EXTREME changes

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as long as goats is around

little silo
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Alarm is 99,9% going to Fusion

karmic grotto
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Likely yes

little silo
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they will give him an insane contract

trim shadow
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thats alarms choice tho...because more then likely...alarm has many offers on the table

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im sure hes getting the decay effect

karmic grotto
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That too

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Decay 300k to Glad

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Alarm for 300k too or higher

little silo
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im pretty sure fusion has the best offer AND he will want to stay in the org

karmic grotto
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Will he? Pepega

little silo
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highly likely

jagged crater
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dang if boombox gets benched, will sleepy and greyy be the only non-korean starting flex supp?

little silo
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shaz

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unkoe

jagged crater
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shieeeet breh

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now that i think about it, which starting role is most korean

trim shadow
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i wont lie

little silo
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top teams

trim shadow
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shaz is the weak link on lag

little silo
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No

jagged crater
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dont u dare

trim shadow
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shaz was non existent against vancouver

little silo
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Glads supports are extremely consistent

vale pond
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@little silo he said the salary was the same himself

little silo
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what exactly is this referring to

vale pond
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kodak moving down

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his salary isnt changed

trim shadow
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thats if hes even getting paid

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no one knows if anyone in contenders is getting paid a salary

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academy teams

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likely

vale pond
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he wrote on the twitlonger

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headcoach also confirmed on reddit thread

little silo
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he didnt say it in the twitlonger but if the coach confirmed it then it must be true

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source?

vale pond
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looking for now

trim shadow
vale pond
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"For everyone asking, Kodak is not on a two-way for the obvious technical reasons (rest of his benefits are staying the same). However he's staying with us here in the team house, still attending our daily OWL strategy meetings, and still very much considered by everyone here a part of the team. This move is specifically designed for him to get more experience and playtime so he can keep developing as a player - with the contenders scene having gone international now, and the level of competition being higher than ever.

One of the goals here is to create an academy team good enough to compete internationally and also to get regular scrims against low-to-mid tier OWL teams. We also want to have the strongest internal scrims possible to push our main team to its limits and beyond. Sometimes those internals are Academy vs OWL, sometimes it's B-team (frd <> hawk, nlaaer <>sugarfree) vs OWL. Either way we've made it a priority within the org that all of our players get as much high-level experience playing the game as possible. We want Atlanta to be a place for players to come to reach their full potential - and this move is in service of that ideal.

As for Berd, I felt he made solid progress last contenders season, especially with his ult usage. Fully expect to see him land on a different academy team very quickly."

little silo
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his salary isnt mentioned in the TwitLonger thats why i asked

vale pond
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benefits are same

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likely referring to salary

little silo
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probably

vale pond
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like what other benefits

trim shadow
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oh berd is still in contenders FA

vale pond
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players have food, housing, healthcare prob

trim shadow
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was thinking he got signed to owl

vale pond
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along with salary

little silo
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no rent food health care

trim shadow
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but then again hes not of age

vale pond
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oof

little silo
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still not sure why atlanta got FunnyAstro as a 2way

vale pond
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experience

trim shadow
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cause astro is mechanically gifted

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but astro was a pro player before

vale pond
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he's never gonna play but in contenders he will

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so I guess just for the sake of it

trim shadow
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astro was suppose to sign with boston remember

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the main team i think

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@vale pond jokes astro has been playing tho

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he was playing in atlantic showdown

little silo
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so atlanta bought them for their bench got it

trim shadow
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kodak will play tho cause berd left

little silo
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i mean... they have no other flex support rn

vale pond
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when has astro played in the main team

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I dont mean contenders

little silo
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there is no reason to play him over Masaa

vale pond
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atlanta doesnt have a sub for dogman which is worrying

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if he gets sick thats a problem

little silo
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a lot of teams dont

vale pond
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I guess

jagged crater
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FREE KODAK

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what does reign have on bench now? Just nlaaer and frd

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frd was like a last minute pickup because daco was being mean or something so they dont even need him now daco is happy

karmic grotto
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Free fragi

vale pond
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reign has nlaaer, frd, gator and astro kinda

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also frd plays sombra

pearl stratus
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Just use an expert Zenyatta bot, and have the person next to him control the ult with Q.

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It's basically the same thing as having Dogman around, except someone with a brain would be hitting Q.

dapper lantern
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oof

wispy smelt
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does anyone know the starting date of the next open division?

trim shadow
sullen berry
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new direction in their marketing? If not, then this is working better than their other moves

vale pond
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this is beautiful

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super

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holy shit

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REIN REIN

north tendon
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did they release the owl replay client yet?

sullen berry
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Probably do that trick where "oh the client is available NOW!" announcement if it is here today

ripe shale
upper niche
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sigh :/

supple prism
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parts of the world are backwards and hateful? amazing

ripe shale
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^ ikr it’s rly sad 😢

sullen berry
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Tell me something new about Asia pacific

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They went so far as to hug it out with Soe on live broadcast!

ripe shale
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@sullen berry LUL they actually did 😹 bunch of pathetic twats

sullen berry
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Given how tame it actually was, they would go that far

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It's how they control media consumption over there

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The registers go loosely like this

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Totalitarian: N. Korea

supple prism
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China

sullen berry
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Less so

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But absolutely blocked on confirminst media

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Bilibili is likened to non-conformity or at most accepting of anime

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But that's a stretch

supple prism
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and apparently Japan is disappearing themselves by shrinking population

sullen berry
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Hong Kong hasn't doing too well to political pressure

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How many times they have to protest for their independence like Taiwan

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Ahem

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CHINESE TAIPEI

ripe shale
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that’s incredibly sad they’d go that far, kr owl players should speak out against this!

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wait china is also not accepting of pride day stuff?!

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@supple prism LUL savage but true

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@sullen berry Hong Kong and Taiwan are respected individual autonomous countries, why are they still considered part of mainland China’s property???

sullen berry
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But the KR community have also convinced themselves that boosters are genuinely terrible human beings

supple prism
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Like Russia and Crimea

ripe shale
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I hate when people call them “Chinese Taipei” and also Hong Kong uses their own Hong Kong dollars as national currency, pls respect their wishes

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@sullen berry oof, I just remembered that they treated oge as some kind of war criminal too on twitch

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@supple prism that’s oppressive 😦

supple prism
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yea

sullen berry
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Oppression for someone who gets paid for their quality of play? If you want to legalise it that's what a healthy amount of competitions are for

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But OW League is either out of their reach for socially controversial reasons or never the end goal in the first place for many

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@ripe shale no real explanation, China #1

safe holly
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Do the philly fusion jerseys look good enough to wear outside?

dapper lantern
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not these current ones

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Regular season, sure.

sullen berry
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I would recommend the on black with the logo on the front

supple prism
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you dont like looking like a referee?

sullen berry
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into the AM did great work on the design

dapper lantern
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You want to look like you work at Foot Locker?

sullen berry
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As much as I enjoy the music in that era Nah I'd rather not look like my clothes got bleached in 1920's film

safe holly
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Lmao

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Guess I'll get the shock Jersey instead although I like eastern teams more

sullen berry
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Waiting for Vancouver 3rk Kit

safe holly
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Will it ever come out?

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I would definitely buy one for bumper

sullen berry
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Probably not

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I'd just buy a dafran 3rd kit jersey

safe holly
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I already got his regular jersey

sullen berry
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As long as they still do custom name jerseys

safe holly
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I want something I can wear

sullen berry
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Was it really on black?

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Reign doing the blackout numbers before justice and Fuel

dapper lantern
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what sucks is

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everything made by intotheam is gone because it was inaugural stuff

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and as much as I want to grab some of this limited edition stuff, fanatics scares me

sullen berry
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Fun fact: Fanatics are responsible for overcharging for the shit material they use to iron on instead of dye sublimation to print the numbers

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Known to peel off, the Jersey quality and appearance themselves are just fine

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Save for the controversial Hangzhou Spark jerseys

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Just now, the ten Mayhem Sayaplayer signed jerseys went for twice the price and are sold out

dapper lantern
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Not surprising.

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I'll pass on all merchandise until a better provider comes around, if that ever happens

trim shadow
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ayee good on south korea

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no to left propoganda

sullen berry
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I mean overall intotheam is is good, the supply base of every jerseys you see available on the fanatics store

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The specifically point it out there in the 3rd kit Jersey designs

gaunt acorn
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i was going to buy a jersey but they are overpriced

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it's like $150 CAD for one, at minimum

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and that's with my 20% discount from all-access pass

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so normally it'd be closer to $175 CAD, if not higher

upper niche
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The runout TShirts were a bargain... so were the jackets actually. Just that the size chart was bonkers

karmic grotto
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@gaunt acorn well, you always have those Chinese import shirts Kappa

gaunt acorn
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yeah last i checked they don't carry the alt jerseys

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i don't want a regular jersey

sullen berry
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fanatics have the gall to advertise their standard sports jerseys have a guarantee OWL Jerseys don't have

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if a player gets signed to another team or is no longer with the team during the season you purcahse their named jerseys

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you can get a replacement or credit in store

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that would be nice if they hadn't just served subpar iron ons

pearl stratus
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Iron Ons are fine, industry standard and all. They just use the absolute cheapest materials with improper technique.

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I helped out at a Fenway event with my company and was doing some t-shirt stuff. They use iron on, but its this giant press thats so hot it radiates heat out like 10 feet. Those always stuck and had no issues.

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It's like Fanatics puts them in the microwave with a book on top of them.

oblique pasture
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Best team is Houston Outlaws

echo quest
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Don’t get overwatch jerseys

oblique pasture
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or philly fusion

echo quest
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Fanatic is a fucking garbage ass company

pearl stratus
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The alt kit ones are decent, so if you really want something get that.

balmy wolf
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Touch me and let's make some $

north tendon
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I for one, am ready

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not a confirmation but they have strong sources

north beacon
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i bought a gladiators jersey

pearl stratus
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I'm not ready.

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Bunker is going to be boring as fuck.

north tendon
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atleast they will find a balance solution for bunker faster than whetever the fuck nuke that would ruin heroes with goats is lol

austere cosmos
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It’s going to be such a bad meta when bunker comes rolling into OWL

balmy wolf
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I personally think just nerfing zarya’s charge thing would be he best. Instead of 1% changing it to .3 or .25 would be enough I think to give room to other comps

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2/2/2 for the ladder or for just OWL?

little silo
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changing the scaling of Zaryas damage might do it

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Like 110dps at 0 energy and 160dps at 100

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instead of 90dps at 0 and 180(?) dps at 100

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would make her more consistent but also weaken her

balmy wolf
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I just think she’s the main lichpin and damage so if you lower her damage you give option to dps to live longer and mow down a goats comp

trim shadow
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That mcree buff will also come in stage 4

balmy wolf
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I can guarantee you that mccree buff aint gonna do shit to goats

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I just hope they come out with more balance changes cause if this entire year is nothing but goats I’m gonna be bummed

little silo
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McCree buff cant really do much

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Goats has matrix, 2 shields and bubbles

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and theres no one to sub mc cree in for

pearl stratus
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Either way bunker is worse than goats.

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And it's more catering to a league that isn't exciting since 80% of the teams are dog shit

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I'm sorry most of the pros are piles of shit who can't adapt and orgs hired bad coaches. Going bunker won't fix it, neither will any lock.

gleaming raptor
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I thought the idea of a 2/2/2 lock was that it would help the balancing team with future changes

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Since they can't balance each hero for the chance of there being 2 other heroes in their role

balmy wolf
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Yea but it also makes them super boring to watch cause you know it will only be one of three things. Bunker, dive, rein zarya.

gleaming raptor
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but i'm not sure how it'll work out

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Yeah

balmy wolf
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And you dont want a league that is predictable because some teams will clearly be better at certain comps than others and thus making it easier to predict who will win

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Vancouver is a good goats team, houston is a good bunker team, and so forth and so forth

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Plus it eliminates three dps as a comp which I personally find fun af to watch but that’s my own bias showing

gleaming raptor
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Well it kinda seems pretty predictable so far with GOATs, even nerfing the heroes in GOATs hasn't worked because it isn't the individual strengths, it's the combination they have

balmy wolf
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Personally I’d love like a bunch of heroes dropping like 3 new tanks and 3 new supports and maybe 2 new dps

gleaming raptor
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yeah maybe

balmy wolf
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That’s cause in professional scenarios, teams know how to make up for the shortcomings

gleaming raptor
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Right

balmy wolf
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And blizzard is against nerfing a character to the point of not playable

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If you nerfed zarya’s damage or reworked zen and lucio so they no longer did their respective massive defensive ult capabilities

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Goats would probably be dead

gleaming raptor
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With the 2/2/2 lock, things would be pretty rocky at first, but it would in theory get better since now they can tinker with individual heroes with consistent roles

balmy wolf
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If you did that then it would likely mirror ladder with bunker

gleaming raptor
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but that's just in theory

balmy wolf
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And the variants cause bunker is ruling ladder atm

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Either with double sniper and or turrets and whatever else that come with the variants

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But I am entirely expecting double sniper

gleaming raptor
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yeah that would probably happen

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there's no easy solution to this unfortunately, we'll just have to see what blizzard does i guess

balmy wolf
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I mean if you wanted to fix this to both not make it bland and to give things a whirl

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A sudden drop of new tanks and supports would probably do it

gleaming raptor
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that could do it, though i don't think it would really last before something similar to GOATs happens again

north tendon
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I dont see whats stopping them from undoing 2-2-2 lock later

balmy wolf
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Absolutely not

gleaming raptor
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they would need to put 2/2/2 on ptr for sure

north tendon
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i keep saying they should try it in arcade

balmy wolf
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Cause ppl will give them backlash for it and they dont want negative press for it “why implement it if you werent going to keep it” yah know and they cant just go “to test it”

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Ptr is for upcoming patches so once you put t there then you put it live

north tendon
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but it wouldnt be the first time they went back on their word

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like deathmatch

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in the end its their game

balmy wolf
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I wasn’t here for that so Idk what to tell you there

gleaming raptor
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i thought the point of ptr was to get feedback so they can tweak it before it goes live?

north tendon
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basically they thought deathmatch would never work out in overwatch

balmy wolf
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I personally like gungame but the hero order in there is fucked

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Thats my favorite version of deathmatch

north tendon
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and well they are bound to get negativity no matter what I mean this goats situation isnt the most pleasant

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big changes might be needed

balmy wolf
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It’s not but the solutions too it are too extreme to be implemented

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Truth be told I was really surprised by the lucio speed nerf

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I thought that was extreme

pearl stratus
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The reason I'm okay with Goats is that its about your team not being shit.

north tendon
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yeah it probably made him a bit unfun for a lot of players

pearl stratus
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Not a shit team being carried by Carpe.

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It's much harder to tell how shitty your team and organization is when it can be carried by a good pop off.

balmy wolf
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True

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Philly aint doing so hot

gleaming raptor
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Good pop offs are enabled by various other things like your other teammates

balmy wolf
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But it also is just first and foremost not entertaining for long periods of time with no changes

pearl stratus
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Name one team that relied on a super star DPS thats good now.

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Literally one.

balmy wolf
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Theres a reason fans cheer and boo when teams swap on and off dps

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To goats

north tendon
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in the end overwatch isnt a game about carries

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good teams are still better

balmy wolf
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Love the KotH pfp

pearl stratus
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It was in Season 1.

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Season 1 was entirely about your tracer then your widow.

gleaming raptor
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right, but when a role is literally made absolute (dps), i think there's a problem

north tendon
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dps had more impact yeah, but not to the point where your team can be braindead

pearl stratus
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With the exception being NYXL because the other positions actually were good.

north tendon
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they have to be competent

pearl stratus
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Again argument: Philly.

north tendon
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philly had some good players s1 tbh

pearl stratus
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Because I shit things that can play better 3:3 than Philly can manage.

north tendon
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poko, boombox

pearl stratus
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Or LAV.

north tendon
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neptuno did well too

gleaming raptor
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it also sucks that dps players are being forced to play brig because of GOATs so there's both sides to consider i guess

pearl stratus
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See. I argue that with Rascal.

north tendon
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yeah players are forced into roles they are shit in

pearl stratus
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Rascal was like "Oh you need me to play Brig? How about I play Baptiste too."

north tendon
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its not just about goats being less carries

pearl stratus
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Because he's not shit.

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Or Hydration.

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"I can play Lucio and Orissa too now."

north tendon
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carpe's zarya is terrible lol

gleaming raptor
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i mean there's specific cases we can look at, but i don't a whole role being obsolete is healthy for the competitive future of OWL

pearl stratus
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There's teams that adapt and have good coaching and teams that got players for one thing and can't develop them any further.

gleaming raptor
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we can't stay like this

pearl stratus
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The role is still there, it just shifted.

balmy wolf
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Truth be told

pearl stratus
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Zarya does more damage/10 than any DPS ever did.

balmy wolf
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Boombox never wow’d me

pearl stratus
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Boombox and Poko both have like...

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Two months left.

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So don't worry.

balmy wolf
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I never saw him and was like impressed by his performance

north tendon
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so another full korean team lol

pearl stratus
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The second the season is over they're both permabenched or traded.

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I mean you can argue that.

balmy wolf
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I personally feel bad foe Fraggi

pearl stratus
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I can just argue its better players.

balmy wolf
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Wanted to see him played

north tendon
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well it surely didnt work out for mayhem

balmy wolf
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Give him to paris or something

north tendon
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still trash

pearl stratus
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Who wants to keep Boombox if you have access to Alarm.

balmy wolf
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Give fraggi to paris plz

pearl stratus
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Thats like saying you want to rub your face in shit because the soap is in contenders.

north tendon
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yeah alarm is superior

pearl stratus
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Because Alarm is literally better in every aspect.

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And Bernar is better than Poko.

north tendon
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but I think alarm is just incredibly good

pearl stratus
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And has 4 Contenders championships of synergy with the group they'll promote.

north tendon
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rather than boom being bad

pearl stratus
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I'm not saying Boom is bad, just in comparison between the two

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It's not even questionable.

balmy wolf
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I would argue you would bench poko the same way mickie is benched for dallas and geguri for shanghai

north tendon
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yeah

pearl stratus
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The entire FU roster will get promoted.

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Because its a better team.

balmy wolf
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The fan base

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Boombox probably won’t have a place to go

pearl stratus
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If Alarm was of age right now, I'd argue that you just swap the two rosters.

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And Philly would be top 5.

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Almost instantly.

balmy wolf
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EQO had moments but I never was truly 100% astounded by him like I am with profit

pearl stratus
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One team has a ton of cohesion and works together really well.

north tendon
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its kinda scary how unstable this league is, especially when you look at some of these star players last year

pearl stratus
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Eqo has leadership, which is good.

north tendon
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but its the nature of it I suppose

pearl stratus
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It's because Season 1 was DPS based, imo.

balmy wolf
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True

gleaming raptor
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yeah the future of owl is looking rocky right now

pearl stratus
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You didn't need to really develop players, you had a tracer or widow star and you were good.

balmy wolf
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Rip houston

pearl stratus
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There's 5, maybe 6, coaches that are worth their salt in OWL right now.

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And its VERY apparent.

balmy wolf
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looks at washington

north tendon
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wizard shocked me yeah

gleaming raptor
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technically, GOATs is a very cool and complex team comp that requires lots of communication and synergy

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but seeing it 80% of matches isn't healthy

pearl stratus
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Goats is arguably ideal OW in how you want the game to be played in terms of teamwork.

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And two insane Goats teams playing against each other is insanely fun to watch.

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If every game was like Shock vs. Vancouver I think people wouldn't be so upset.

north tendon
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yeah I undoubtedly loved the shock and titan games

gleaming raptor
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I don't think 1 team comp rules all is ideal for over a year of OWL

north tendon
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I just wish we could see more heroes

pearl stratus
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But the level of Goats in the league is so bad.

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It gets boring to watch because of bad coaching.

north tendon
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its peak tank and support play

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but dps must have a role in the league

pearl stratus
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Also I argue that if more teams were at the same level, we'd get other comps.

north tendon
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lol

balmy wolf
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You sure?

pearl stratus
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If everyone played at Shocks level you'd see more 3DPS, etc.

balmy wolf
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I’m pretty sure goats came from contenders without a coach right?

north tendon
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goats evolved into the level it is now

pearl stratus
#

That Goats and Goats now is VERY different though

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My argument is that Aero should have been able to do to Zacharee what Crusty did with Sinatraa.

gleaming raptor
#

i mean it's been shown that our current tank heroes are objectively better than any dps because of the synergy they have with each other

pearl stratus
#

Both Sinatraa and Zach were garbage in the OWWC.

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Crusty fixed his player.

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Aero didn't.

balmy wolf
#

Yea but the idea of it is still the same. Mow down the enemy. A comp can be improved but it’s inception doesn’t require genius play

rare sonnet
#

Sinatraa was like

pearl stratus
#

And thats where the failing in the league from coaching is coming from.

rare sonnet
#

mental garbage

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Zach was like

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mechanical garbage

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one of those is fixable

north tendon
#

yeah but goats strats have become much more defined now and complex

balmy wolf
#

Zach never really impressed me

pearl stratus
#

Because he's not impressive.

balmy wolf
#

OGE on the otherhand

pearl stratus
#

Aero just liked him.

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And wanted to ruin his roster.

balmy wolf
#

So who’s on NA WC this year?

gleaming raptor
#

GOATs is very complex but an esports game with most games playing only one comp isn't healthy

north tendon
#

yeah, zach was a bad pick sadly

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exactly

balmy wolf
#

If you had to pick

rare sonnet
#

I think Aero wanted NA representation on the team

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for fans

pearl stratus
#

But again my argument is that the reason we get so much GOATS only is because the teams are so unbalanced.

north tendon
#

also you cant appreciate much of goats as a casual viewer

balmy wolf
#

Idk many ppl who like zacharee

north tendon
#

this is another problem

pearl stratus
#

Why would you switch off Goats to play someone like Dallas, or Philly or Houston?

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They can't even play Goats well.

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They're not a threat.

north tendon
#

not to mention

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visually, its chaotic as fuck

pearl stratus
#

If more teams were on the same level you'd have the anti-goats comps ACTUALLY working.

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Instead of them just being giant failure machines.

gleaming raptor
#

that's a new perspective i haven't heard before, actually interesting

balmy wolf
#

Study the game bois and be a coach to an OWL team

pearl stratus
#

Development coach.

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Specifically.

balmy wolf
#

Looks like some jobs might be opening

pearl stratus
#

There's tons of strategic coaches, or numbers coaches.

#

There's not nearly enough development coaches.

#

For my perspective I can count 6.

north tendon
#

endo for justice coach

pearl stratus
#

God no.

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I'd literally get rid of half the team.

north tendon
#

pssst

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you lack the budget

rare sonnet
#

Doesn't dallas have 3 development coaches

pearl stratus
#

Without Janus and Hyeong you have a budget.

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They don't have good ones.

#

You have Jayne in the first time role.

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And Aero.

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Then Cocco quit.

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Who arguably was their best one.

gleaming raptor
#

so i've been trying to understand OW's competitive design and how it differs from other competitive games like dota 2 or csgo

pearl stratus
#

Cocco could develop people but he left right before S2.

rare sonnet
#

who's the korean guy

north tendon
#

sadly janus has to go

rare sonnet
#

on dallas coaching

gleaming raptor
#

why does ow have such a stagnant meta phase all the time?

#

almost every meta has lasted a year

pearl stratus
#

In terms of comaprison to what?

north tendon
#

maybe because of the amount of heroes?

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and how vital some are

pearl stratus
#

It's mostly the amount of heroes.

#

Like Riot rarely balances their heroes well.

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They release new ones constantly.

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That do the job better than what was before.

gleaming raptor
#

yeah not a fan of riot's design choices

pearl stratus
#

And that helps their meta change.

rare sonnet
#

Not enough competition within niche roles because, as mentioned, not enough heroes

pearl stratus
#

DoTA2 does a good job of balance overall, but they have tons of overlap.

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OW is still new, and heroes are by the most part VERY unique.

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So you don't get overlap.

gleaming raptor
#

? I feel the opposite for dota 2

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Atleast compared to LoL, whereas so many heroes are similar

pearl stratus
#

The heroes aren't similar but they can fill the same niche.

north tendon
#

and the amount of maps too I feel

pearl stratus
#

Different kits, but they can do it.

balmy wolf
#

Arent there like

pearl stratus
#

There's nothing in OW to compete with a D'va spot, for instance.

balmy wolf
#

A crap ton of heroes and other stuff in dota like items?

rare sonnet
#

DVa is the only person with any matrix ability, Lucio is the only person with any speed boost, Zenyatta is the only one with Discord, etc. <-- This causes the issues in meta stagnation.

gleaming raptor
#

ah

balmy wolf
#

Where as with Overwatch you only have the heroes and maps and the skill of the players

pearl stratus
#

And D'va herself gate keeps a bunch of shitty metas.

rare sonnet
#

if you want speed you HAVE to play lucio

pearl stratus
#

So you don't want to overnerf D'va, etc.

north tendon
#

yeah pretty much what toxic said

balmy wolf
#

How many heroes are in dotav

pearl stratus
#

Because if D'va changes too much suddenly you have to change all your hitscans etc.

balmy wolf
#

?

north tendon
#

dva point is also fair

gleaming raptor
#

So what do you think should be the play here? Clearly things aren't doing amazing for OWL atm

pearl stratus
#

OW, thankfully, has time to grow into a new meta.

#

OWL is still doing fine, honestly.

rare sonnet
#

Make more heroes 4Head

pearl stratus
#

Don't look at twitch numbers, they arguably don't matter.

#

Look at investment.

north tendon
#

if you look at the viewer numbers, I wouldnt really think so

balmy wolf
#

Uhh fix the budget issues cause houston is like a fish in the texas land

#

And honestly

pearl stratus
#

OWL is still picking up numerous high profile sponsors etc.

gleaming raptor
#

I don't think fans booing a team for picking GOATs is fine?

rare sonnet
#

Dota has 100+

#

heroes

balmy wolf
#

I say add more heroes in the tank and support slot

pearl stratus
#

And Twitch is just an inferior streaming option.

rare sonnet
#

with lots of overlap

pearl stratus
#

I don't think fans overly matter.

rare sonnet
#

which is how it isn't stagnant

pearl stratus
#

As long as they're still buying tickets, which they are.

north tendon
#

yeah maybe from a business standpoint

#

but could still backfire

pearl stratus
#

It's a business first.

north tendon
#

in the long run

pearl stratus
#

Also - basing things off the fan base is a recipe for destruction in a long term investment.

#

Because you don't want to hammer a chisel solution.

gleaming raptor
#

I feel like there's more to an esports game than simply the business side of things

#

but i could totally be wrong if you're like a business person in disguise or something

north tendon
#

I still think they wont lose much if they experiment and go back with things

pearl stratus
#

Like people argue to dumpster Zaryas damage.

north tendon
#

people are ready for anything thats not goats

pearl stratus
#

Then you get a Brigitte problem.

north tendon
#

lol

pearl stratus
#

Where Brigitte is now shit for 2-2-2.

#

So then you just have to fix Zarya again later.

north tendon
#

yeah, atleast jeff said 2-2-2 is easier to balance

gleaming raptor
#

2-2-2 atleast allows for some consistently for the balancing team to work with

pearl stratus
#

Knee jerk balance options are bad bad bad.

rare sonnet
#

Brigitte might not eb shit for 2-2-2 we have never seen it

balmy wolf
#

I say to fix this for an audience perspective; add more heroes that can definitely change metas. Something on the impact level of brig without the oppressiveness which is hard or introducing even more heroes at a faster rate so that they can find a place

pearl stratus
#

No she is, she's even on the Blizzard balance list for 2-2-2.

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Her and Roadhog.

rare sonnet
#

because if you run brigitte, running goats is better

#

she might not be

gleaming raptor
#

Now they can tune heroes without the inconsistent role count in a match

north tendon
#

the problem is we might need to wait a year or two

rare sonnet
#

you literally do not know and neither does anybody

pearl stratus
#

Adding heroes too quickly is problematic too.

#

Look at Riot.

north tendon
#

thats way im saying 2-2-2 as a temp fix might be fine

gleaming raptor
#

They can't balance zarya with the chance of there being 3 other tanks with her

north tendon
#

why*

balmy wolf
#

True but riot is a sort of chaos that is sometimes enjoyable to watch

rare sonnet
#

Zarya is playable as 2nd tank tho

pearl stratus
#

The thing is even with Zaryas damage she's not the main issue.

#

Goats real issue is the sustain.

north tendon
#

goats is just a shit ton of good ults and sustain

#

and it snowballs well\

pearl stratus
#

Three supports is just hard to manage.

north tendon
#

on many maps

balmy wolf
#

So you would wanna rework the defensive ults?

gleaming raptor
#

Exactly, the synergy with each hero is the problem not the individual numbers

pearl stratus
#

I'd leave the defensive ults.

gleaming raptor
#

I wish ults weren't so strong in general

pearl stratus
#

I'd have rather seen a dampening effect, personally. Whereas overall healing is reduced when you go above 2 supports.

balmy wolf
#

A zen orb and lucio aura and brig inspire dont strike me as an awful lot of healing

#

Oooooh

#

That actually is interesting

rare sonnet
#

@pearl stratus ok now you're heading into dumb territory

balmy wolf
#

Never heard that idea before

pearl stratus
#

But I couldn't imagine balancing that.

#

So its also impossible.

rare sonnet
#

Heal cap D A N S G A M E

pearl stratus
#

Not so much a cap.

balmy wolf
#

What about letting ana’s shots and cool down go through matrix?

pearl stratus
#

More steal from WoW where like.. if [x] healers = [y] output.

gleaming raptor
#

That's why 2-2-2 seems to be a better option than what we currently have, though it will have problems of its own

north tendon
#

yeah, thats gonna be tricky for them to get right

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, its why I don't promote it.

#

It just makes sense in my head.

gleaming raptor
#

it's a tricky situation

north tendon
#

im just gonna say fuck it and try 2-2-2

#

they have little to lose

balmy wolf
#

What about my idea of letting ana be able to shoot through DM

rare sonnet
#

you can try 2-2-2

north tendon
#

its not like perm balance changes

rare sonnet
#

it's literally in the game lol

balmy wolf
#

I’d like an argument for that

gleaming raptor
#

there's no easy solution, so blizzard's balance team is gonna have to choose soon

north tendon
#

yeah

rare sonnet
#

they have it as a custom game option sicne release

pearl stratus
#

I still dislike 2-2-2 for pro-play.

north tendon
#

just a lock

#

its ready

pearl stratus
#

Because I like seeing 1-3-2, etc.

rare sonnet
#

3 dps

balmy wolf
#

I mean I saw lfg and lfg was shit for everyone

rare sonnet
#

:/

gleaming raptor
#

But then what's the point of running 1-3-2 when you have GOATs?

pearl stratus
#

3 DPS has its purpose, its also has hard counters.

rare sonnet
#

multi dps becomes unfun to play

#

against

gleaming raptor
#

i'd love to see a pro match where they ran something like 3 DPS recently

jovial fiber
#

Me no speaking English

pearl stratus
#

I think 2-2-2 for ladder makes perfect sense however.

#

Chengdu?

#

Every game?

#

😛

north tendon
#

yeah I love chengdu

#

but hasnt been going well for them

#

lol

pearl stratus
#

Shanghai runs it now and again on KoTH too.

#

Actually a few teams run it on KoTH.

balmy wolf
#

I miss pine and SBB

gleaming raptor
#

GOATs is the strongest comp in OWL with almost no contender, no reason to do any more strats like 1-3-2

fervent walrus
#

me too

pearl stratus
#

Also side argument.

north tendon
#

well slasher is pretty critical of blizz and said big changes were coming

pearl stratus
#

But there's no reason for 80% of the league to even be running goats.

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Since they're shit at it.

north tendon
#

so really I expect it to be here soon

balmy wolf
#

I mean contenders is looking at clockwork comp which I dont think will be meta but it is rivaling and doing well against bad goats comps

pearl stratus
#

A well played DPS comp can beat a lot of the leagues tinSR Goats.

gleaming raptor
#

I feel that if GOATs wasn't the strongest comp atm, someone would have found it, just like how GOATs was found by a low tier team

balmy wolf
#

Yea but I can dream

pearl stratus
#

Like Houston vs. NYXL wasn't horrible.

#

Since Houston just played shit they were good at.

north tendon
#

a coach made a video on why teams just opt to run goats

balmy wolf
#

Sbb wasnt so hot there

pearl stratus
#

And it actually worked okay for a while.

balmy wolf
#

I seriously think Meko had the shits

north tendon
#

like even if you lose teamfights, the comeback potential is high and you have better time to spare

balmy wolf
#

Idk why they brought back SBB as much as I love the guy

pearl stratus
#

Yeah but how does that work for like...

balmy wolf
#

Sombra goats isnt gonna work

pearl stratus
#

Washington Justice that has no comeback potential.

gleaming raptor
#

Why run anything else when you can just run GOATs with superior damage and survivability

north tendon
#

well, justice has mass positioning and ability usage issues

pearl stratus
#

Because you have teams that do that, and still lose every game because they play Goats worse than Open Division teams.

north tendon
#

they might as well be as bad with dps

gleaming raptor
#

It just comes down to "which team can run GOATs better?" which isn't fun when you see that almost every pro match

balmy wolf
#

Because you will be fucked by better goats teams so your option is to fight a losing battle or get creative and maybe lose or throw them off their a game

#

Aka

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Chengdu

pearl stratus
#

I'd rather play something my team wasn't shit at and get the occassional win than be Justice trying to play Goats.

#

Any day of the fucking year.

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And twice on sunday.

balmy wolf
#

Mhmm

north tendon
#

i would wanna say that roster might do a lot better with other metas

#

but honestly?

#

seems like a stretch

balmy wolf
#

Philly would be back on top in any other meta

gleaming raptor
#

That would be better for viewership, but why do it when you have a better chance at GOATs? Why learn a worse strategy?

pearl stratus
#

You can see their issues are coaching based right now, they're not going to get more unified in other metas lol

north tendon
#

like communication wise

#

yeah

pearl stratus
#

Also Philly is in the same boat.

balmy wolf
#

Because not every team is good at goats

pearl stratus
#

So many teams upgraded their DPS I don't see Carpe carrying shit anymore.

balmy wolf
#

I honestly think a houston bunker is better than a florida or washington goats

#

Houston goats has been pretty trash

north tendon
#

houston has linkzr as the carpe factor

#

so I suppose so

gleaming raptor
#

I think the bottom line is that we need better balance and more variety for OWL. How that happens, I don't know, but it needs to happen

balmy wolf
#

Nyxl game recently was cause sbb literally hasnt played in a good long while and also didnt practice and they still won

pearl stratus
#

I still wonder if they're selling Houston orLAV.

#

You could argue both.

balmy wolf
#

Variety would be more tank options honestly

pearl stratus
#

Btw that was a lie.

#

SBB has been in scrims the last few weeks

balmy wolf
#

Then would it be stage nerves?

north tendon
#

im glad sbb is back

balmy wolf
#

Cause that really is weird

north tendon
#

now for pine

gleaming raptor
#

Whatever it takes, the scene needs it, a stagnant meta is almost never fun for anyone

pearl stratus
#

PRobably just adjusting to how Houston plays.

balmy wolf
#

I dont mind NYXL being the third best team

pearl stratus
#

Houston came out not just in Goats.

#

They were playing the Junkrat, the Widow etc.

balmy wolf
#

But I dont think theyll be third with his sombra play

pearl stratus
#

Which foils the sombra goats plan a bit

balmy wolf
#

True but sombra goats in general hasnt seen much success against top tier goats teams

pearl stratus
#

Just aggressive teams in general.

#

Countering Sombra isn't hard.

balmy wolf
#

That too

north tendon
#

it just depends on the playstyles

balmy wolf
#

I think sombra would probably work best in a dive scenario but not in the goats scenario

north tendon
#

like nyxl got boomed by seoul

pearl stratus
#

It's funny watching teams do the reversal though

balmy wolf
#

The Nyxl sandbag curse

pearl stratus
#

NYXL, Shock, Vancouver = Running Sombra goats now.

#

Dragons = Running Dding more on D'va now.

north tendon
#

yeah when I think sombra I think dding

pearl stratus
#

Dragons are setting up to challenge Vancouver/Shock, and know they can't rely on Sombra for it.

#

But you want the option, so Dding needs the D'va practice.

balmy wolf
#

True

pearl stratus
#

Though if 2-2-2 comes true, Dragons are going to be scary as shit.

#

Since they arguably have the best DPS duo in the league.

north tendon
#

think we can all agree though, blizz is being way too damn slow as usual

pearl stratus
#

Compareable to Shock at least.

north tendon
#

that would be fun to watch

#

considering dragons last year

pearl stratus
#

Rascal Widow.

#

Not Rascal.

#

Striker.

north tendon
#

oh yeah I heard

pearl stratus
#

Strikers been playing almost nothing but Widow for 6 months.

north tendon
#

I already he was great from that widow 1v1 all stars

karmic grotto
#

Leggo

north tendon
#

know*

karmic grotto
#

Said Striker is practicing Widow hard

#

Wanna see that in stage 4

#

hopefully

north tendon
#

I just wanna see dinks again

#

zen is cool tho

pearl stratus
#

I just don't want it to turn into GM.

#

Where if its not Goats 90% of the time its Orissa bunker bullshit.

north tendon
#

yeah I mean wasnt there a time when ladder was grav dragon

#

but didnt happen in owl

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, because they fixed the mercy boost

north tendon
#

or did they miss the patch

pearl stratus
#

Bunker doesn't have a quick fix like mercy boost.

north tendon
#

imo, its about making orisa have less shield uptime

#

could break her

#

but idc tbh lol

pearl stratus
#

She's already touchy with that, tbh.

#

If it goes much lower she's back to useless.

gleaming raptor
#

sounds like we need 2-2-2 ZaryaLUL

north tendon
#

well im just looking at her stats damage and shield wise to rein and it makes me wonder what the fuck is the point of rein?

#

just his shatter is great

pearl stratus
#

Bunker is a 2-2-2.

north tendon
#

yeah and its not like its that oppressive imo

#

lotsa teams fucked it up

#

last year

pearl stratus
#

Its pretty stupid proof imo.

#

Paris can play it.

north tendon
#

also im thinking sombra is common enough for some teams to be scared of running it

#

she would do well in 2-2-2

nova wadi
#

hey

#

:)

north tendon
#

its out?

#

im waiting for the ingame replay lol

nova wadi
#

well that one is out

#

u can replay OWL Stage 3

north tendon
#

sadly my pc sucks but still great

#

i would like to see stream content

#

definitely helps in figuring things out for fans

#

oh and of course montages

nova wadi
#

20GB pog

north tendon
#

i still think they could do a 1 day delay instead of the whole week

#

way too late imo

#

i have all access and i wouldnt mind

#

hell even post game

pearl stratus
#

iirc it doesn't have the stream in it.

#

So your all access still has more value.

#

From that perspective.

karmic grotto
#

@nova wadi noob

#

beta

#

thats why we waited

north tendon
#

true endo

karmic grotto
#

I can finally watch SMS point of View

#

but 20 GB

#

Jesus Christ

north tendon
#

dont watch it around kids

karmic grotto
#

true

north tendon
#

this will be amazing for EU viewers and the like too

#

since your all access is just for live

#

really sucks

nova wadi
#

@karmic grotto platchat

karmic grotto
#

:(

#

blizz be like: monday only for america

#

EU and Asia: FeelsGoodMan

#

change region to americas

#

ez

north tendon
#

thats pretty dumb lol

late igloo
north tendon
#

so is anyone actually streaming it?

#

would be nice to see

#

esp streamers like jayne

upper niche
#

What it really needs is a feature to overlay the broadcast audio and have the broadcast give camera switches. So you CAN use it in place of the stream, but also free-cam when you want.

stark salmon
#

I wonder which team can take down the Titans
Assmung just regular season play including Kit Kat Rivalry Weekend

upper niche
#

LAV 😃

pearl stratus
#

No replay/Blizzard produced item will have stream options till season 3.

#

Two year contract with Twitch, most likely has a written non-compete for their own products which would be standard.

gaunt acorn
#

@pearl stratus i don't believe that's true

#

twitch has a deal giving them exclusive 3rd party online streaming rights

#

see: mlg, an acti-blizz owned streaming platform that broadcasts owl concurrently with the twitch stream

#

twitch has no involvement with it

#

in all likelihood, the only reason the spectator client is on a 1 week delay is to encourage more viewership on the main platform (twich)

#

and, you know, to not strain their partnership

#

but i do not believe they are contractually obligated

stark salmon
#

I like how the Hangzhou Spark team is drawing opponent team's mascot such as how they drew SF Shock's Mascot as a DJ

exotic vine
#

i don't really follow owl ir any of the esport games but i thought this video on a new meta known as "hackfist" was pretty interesting. I'm sure you all already know it but i thought for those who don't i'd share it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP9yYdIVxek

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woeful tree
#

I would like to see that comp vs an extremely aggressive team like the Titans for example

supple prism
#

rumor for 2-2-2 for stage 4 is starting

gaunt acorn
#

allegedly

supple prism
#

sorry meant to add rumor to that

stark salmon
#

One team needs to stop the unstoppable Titans

#

in terms of their normal season win streak

#

I was initially hoping Shock might since they did win the Stage 2 Playoff Finals

gaunt acorn
#

shock are the only ones that stand a chance

supple prism
#

technically if we want to get technical, Shock was the first to get 3 both times in stage playoffs and beat them in stage 2 playoffs

stark salmon
#

It would be a miracle if Shock makes it into the Grand Finals against Titans

#

It feels like both teams have some sort of rivalry

nova wadi
balmy wolf
#

:/

little silo
#

Mayhem should pick him up

balmy wolf
#

Guys! Please touch me, join me and let's make some $

jovial fiber
#

Eu could be good

#

In owl now

#

In S3

jagged crater
#

need somethin to shake up stage 4

#

both audience and blizz doesn't want to see goats dominate the grand finals

real vortex
#

true

#

they want to see some new is new ideas the people never used before for they wont see that goats is something that is bad

vernal obsidian
#

nerf Lucio's speed boost when its applied to tanks = big goats nerf

#

goats are just big battering rams

karmic grotto
#

looney tunes rabbit "no"

upbeat dagger
#

wait how do you get that grey skin anyways

jagged crater
#

what can blizz do at this point

#

rumors of forced 222 for stage 4, but that's only a bandaid

sullen berry
#

I don't think you can now, it was part of the inauaragal season all access pass @upbeat dagger

jagged crater
#

it'll fix goats, but it wont fix stale metas

sullen berry
#

I'll look at goats in retrospect by the end of the season and ask why this was such a big deal

jagged crater
#

bad to spectate, arguably bad to play (really depends on perspective)

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goats can be fun to play ofc

upbeat dagger
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to be fair goats is just a OWL/gm/top50 thing, i mean you dont see anywhere else tho

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its not as bad

jagged crater
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if they want OWL to succeed, the meta can't be goats forever

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that's all there is to it

upbeat dagger
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thats true

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i mean why do the coaches encourage them to play goats tho, its not like the OWL admin team is forcing the coaches to force the team to play goats right? or is this just a stupid question

jagged crater
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because there's a lot of rep and money on the line. You play with what you're most experienced with

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in order to have the best chance of winning

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goats has been around for over a year so such teams will play to their experience

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you can see lesser teams experiment with more non-goats comps because their goats cant compete

upbeat dagger
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like outlaws 😆

jagged crater
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Playoffs = top teams so more likely to see goats

upbeat dagger
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but then theres teams that make it fun to watch imo

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like shock vs titans

jagged crater
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thank god we have good casters to hype it up

balmy wolf
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Top tier goats is always fun to watch

upbeat dagger
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yea

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but mayhem vs whatever team is bad goats is a total yawn

jagged crater
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but from the perspective of a casual watcher that only watches playoffs for example, they might not understand good goats from not as good

upbeat dagger
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i "watch games" to get tokens

jagged crater
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alll they see is a clusterfuck of deathball fights lasting over a minute

upbeat dagger
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i would just put it playing in the background while playing some ow myself

jagged crater
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with little standout highlight plays

upbeat dagger
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do you think that seoul goats is at least a B tier?

jagged crater
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theys AIGHT

upbeat dagger
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bro nyxl vs titans when

sullen berry
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Stage 4 or sooner in stage playoffs, probably

jagged crater
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it happened

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titans won ok 😃

upbeat dagger
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when?

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i like how the casters were basically praising the shock team like before stage 3 started then they end up winning 3-2 against atlanta

solemn ingot
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Anyone seen the Akshon video on Hack and Smack meta?

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'Hackfist'

jagged crater
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atlanta the type of team to go 2-3 or win vs top teams but get 0-4 by justice ZaryaLUL

tropic herald
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Hackfist isn’t that from like last fall?

trim shadow
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so far atlanta hasnt been blown out in a series outside of london

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last i checked

raw ermine
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Did guardian ever play? Never heard of him

trim shadow
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he did

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stage 1

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for a little bit

mossy bone
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Wait

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Shanghai had someone named guardian wtf

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Why does he have the exact same name as a cs pro

copper solstice
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You can say that about everyone almost

gaunt acorn
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how so

copper solstice
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tigerHmm isn’t there some people named with other pros in other games?

gaunt acorn
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not close to 'almost everyone'

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i mean GuardiaN even copied the same spelling

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or, well, caps lock

copper solstice
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Like 2%

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And then you have 5% who are all named after anime

bright ruin
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hello

sullen berry
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shame there isn't a workaround to playing more than one perspective with the OW League Viewer

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stage 3 chengdu vs guangzhou was pog

trim shadow
icy portal
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It seems like I need to nerf some-one!

balmy wolf
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Favorite league team?

gaunt acorn
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titans

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followed by gladiators/fusion

sullen berry
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Shock, Charge, Uprising, Dragons

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no particular order

little silo
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Gladiators

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Followed by Spark

sullen berry
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that's almost half the teams in the league already

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no love for washington or mayhem

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and while I don't buy into the dynasty or the NYXL hype

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they can have some of the most entertaining matches when up against the top teams

cerulean raptor
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i just started plaing

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what should o do first

trim shadow
pearl stratus
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Oof. OWWC stuff announced.]

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USA already throwing with a shit tier coaching pick.

lucid pawn
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lol

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Who got coach position

balmy wolf
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Aero

karmic grotto
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Hearing (some really great) rumors that an unsigned NA Contenders squad may soon be transitioning to an OWL academy team. Stay tuned.

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Fusion Uni

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Can't be anything else

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oh wait, nvm

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it's NA

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hmm chicken contendies?

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second wind most likely

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but to where

pearl stratus
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Contendies is a shit show.

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So most likely Paris.

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Paris picking up Titans, perhaps.

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Mayhem using Revival for their team, etc, etc.

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Picking up existing orgs so they don't have to do as much

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If not, and its NA, you're right - Second Wind isn't a bad pick up since htey're already a farm team.

vale pond
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!schedule

somber yewBOT
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native oriole
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RIP

dreamy cave
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I'm not gonna be able to watch today's game. Hurts.

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I'm still trying to catch up on past games.

trim shadow
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^man of quality

sullen berry
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@pearl stratus not shit so much as unsettling

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why change any of their goals if they don't want to shoot for anything but a game with South Korea

dapper lantern
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looking for my phone

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was sitting on it, 10/10

sullen berry
dapper lantern
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sounds like it's a quick nap before the matches begin

sullen berry
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preshow is a must for me while I'm at work

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can't waste it on goats team fights

little silo
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2 very interesting games today

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spark vs Vancouver to see how much Spark improved

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and shanghai vs atlanta

little silo
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this segment is stupid

dapper lantern
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I couldn’t sleep, amazing

tawny sigil
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new watch point as so much down time, its so dum

dapper lantern
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that’s why I usually don’t tune in until the last 5 minutes

little silo
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segments today are kinda trash as well

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But I let it run for tokens

dapper lantern
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the only watchpoint I saw was during the all star games

raw ermine
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I do A presentation on esports for school, and look what shows up on our test lmfao

dapper lantern
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dog

little silo
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idk c looks kinda legit

dapper lantern
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obviously

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shut up, it’s dog

little silo
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yes my pfp is a dog

dapper lantern
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no the-

little silo
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Houston vs Outlaws is either gonna be boring af or map 5

raw ermine
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you never know

dapper lantern
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Houston vs Outlaws, hm

little silo
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I mean have you seen that team play

raw ermine
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Bruh, seouls map differential is stupid high

dapper lantern
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they do play like they’re fighting against themselves

raw ermine
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At least we will see DPS from houston Please

little silo
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I just hope that they either get better coaches or get new players now that theyre owned by another org

dapper lantern
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they can’t goats mirror

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so they better dps it

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they look so dead

little silo
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Rawkus and Boink will probably just get replaced by Envys support line

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thats my boy viol2t right there

dapper lantern
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I’m already kinda bored

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I hope I get surprised

little silo
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hi already kinda bored

dapper lantern
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don’t do this

little silo
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do what

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CHANCE TO TAKE OUT ANOTHER TEAM MATE OMEGALUL

dapper lantern
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lmao

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I can hear girls laughing near the mics

little silo
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Rawkus is gonna sit on the Shock and Outlaws win by default

dapper lantern
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I have a question about that

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what’s going on lmao, is it real or

little silo
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yes he is that thicc

raw ermine
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I wanna see doom

dapper lantern
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every time we see the side view I’m like just “what the fuck”

little silo
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moira to zen too

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Lenn the oracle

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Predicts things a second before they happen

dapper lantern
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whatever

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wow

little silo
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VIOLET WTF

dapper lantern
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they’re doing the thing

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for now

little silo
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He charged trans in like 40s

raw ermine
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pretty good

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everything charged super fast

dim raptor
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whats happened to shock

dapper lantern
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hey, strange

little silo
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This is one fight and they switched but ok dude