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gaunt acorn
jovial fiber
nyxl
inner patrol
titans I have been fowllowing them since contenders 1 when they were runaway
worn cedar
Mayhem 
normal lintel
Live Love Seoul
little silo
Gladiators
cedar drum
Why is the Atlantic showdown being streamed in 48 fps?
cedar drum
Lolol
Atlanta Reign
Tweeted goodbye and well played to Atlanta Academy
After they lost to FU
karmic grotto
4 KR, 1 NA 1 EU = NA team
cedar drum
And 10 seconds ago tweeted that they didn't knew it was double elimination and Atlanta Academy isn't out
LOLOL
They don't even know what's going on
LOLOL
Twitter
I am not making this up
This is next level
cedar drum
@karmic grotto Guys, our team has been eliminated. Thanks for tuning in. No need to wait around to watch them play again.
rare sonnet
NA 👉 📉 NA 👉 📉
pearl stratus
British Hurricane with the hard throw
Literally used all 3 support ult in under 2 seconds. Nice big ol' blanket.
pearl stratus
Honestly Envy has better coaching than Dallas right now, judging by how they managed to integrate Stand into Main Tank with like.
A week of notice.
Poor Fuel. Thought they got real coaches and got overrated blabbers.
minor flame
Replace zach aero pls
Its like having a disabled son play on your baseball team
Ok that was a little exaggerated but still
pearl stratus
Replace Aero and Jayne.
Overrated af as coaches.
Jaynes primary is being a review guy (which he gets a good chunk wrong still) and community outreach.
sand violet
I agree endoken
Jayne hasn't done much to prove himself as a high caliber coach. He is just popular and has a lot of connections
light matrix
Does anyone think the clockwork comp could become meta?
jovial fiber
No
But yes
But it will take a lot of time adapting
cause not much people in the owl plays torb
light matrix
Yeah that’s true
light matrix
Most owl teams play goats nowadays
jovial fiber
yeah
nova wadi
is there a way i can find the schedule for the atl showdown?
pearl stratus
No.
Most of the teams in the OWL are literlaly just trash at Goats.
So its not fair to call it Goats.
Like Philly doesn't play Goats.
They play 'Dumpster Fire'
jovial fiber
I know some teams are dogshit
pearl stratus
Most, not some.
pearl stratus
You can pick the right heroes, but if you can't play it properly you're not running the comp.
jovial fiber
4Shrug
pearl stratus
It's why Vancouver, San Fran and to some extent NYXL never have to swap off the comp.
No one else plays it to the proper level.
So they can just use it for everything.
If the rest of the league wasn't arguably worse at Goats than Contenders teams you'd see better match ups and games.
You'd also, arguably, see more comps because there'd be a purpose to not just playing it.
jovial fiber
I see what u mean now
pearl stratus
I think people wouldn't be as upset at the comp as much too. Because people enjoy watching San Fran vs. Vancouver.
But no one wants to watch Houston and Florida special ed flail at each other, its depressing lol
pearl stratus
Surprised to see Envy beat Hurricanes and Fusion Uni is doing really well against Angry Titans.
pearl stratus
Probably waiting for Alarm so they can move all three up.
Then drop Sado, Poko and Boombox.
dapper lantern
weare7 pit tickets have been acquired
echo quest
Alarm can’t play till next season
little silo
is Changsik underage?
pearl stratus
No.
pearl stratus
My guess is they want to bring them up at the same time to keep cohesion, and will drop the three I mentioned when they do so.
pearl stratus
They already fucked up this entire season by being a shit team.
little silo
When is Alarms bday again? Mid season of Season 3?
pearl stratus
So no use bringing up new people and fucking it further.
pearl stratus
Don't want to bring them up into the trash pile they have now.
little silo
Might be able to sign him in the mid seasom break
echo quest
They can sign him s3
They have first dibs as well
Plus they are the most loaded team in the league so
echo quest
Is it first to 3 or bo5?
pearl stratus
rare sonnet
FU is probably a really good KR team
like, top 3
or even top 2
snap up a good main support and Philly is looking to be a great KR team next season
pearl stratus
Only if they promote the coach too.
Since right now Philly has a shit coach who plays up to a diva.
rare sonnet
Maybe ask to trade Neptuno for Closer or Ark
It's not a downgrade if your team is all Korean anyway
pearl stratus
I mean even good koreans are shit koreans this season - because they have bad coaching.
Look at Carpe.
echo quest
They had a really good coach in Kirby last year
Until he got promoted into another position in the org
pearl stratus
Their current organization is doing themselves no favors by not dropping hammers on these kids.
No one cares how much you pop off if you can't even play cohesively.
pearl stratus
It's literally the reason why Chengdu wins as much as they do.
Teams are dog shit at working like a team, teams are not coached properly to adapt on the fly, they have a good coach who can do his job.
Any team that's taught to work as a team, and be cohesive, has no trouble with Chengdu.
Minus the anomaly of Vancouver.
echo quest
Yup
little silo
I think Vancouver just severely underestimated Chengdu and barely prepped for them
When they face off again Chengdu will get destroyed
thick harness
i wonder who thr best pharah player this season
echo quest
Dding
jovial fiber
^tru
analog lark
trim shadow
owl returns next week poggers
gray crystal
I’m excited for owl league to come back up it’s been so long
supple prism
overwatch league league
tawny sigil
oWo watch
trim shadow
Gonna predict havana this stage
rancid sentinel
Time for new skills for havana on ow league
little silo
they are probably just going to run pirate ship on it
hidden vault
Bap is gonna be on havana
keen tendon
Am I the only one who prefers Paris over Havana?
plucky rune
2cp and assault are the same thing
glad juniper
do you get league tokens for the current OWL strean?
supple prism
Rerun? No
balmy wolf
Do you get tokens from watching contenders? 
copper solstice
no
trim shadow
All this pride shit is cringe
gaunt acorn
why does it bother you so much
pearl stratus
Uncomfortable with his own sexuality in 99.8% of situations.
Probably wants to suck as much dick as Atlanta teams and it makes him defensive.
trim shadow
I guess the rainbow insights anger
Cause fuck colors
Brought to you by the BLACK squad
Cant even go into the atlanta discord cause that god damn Raimbow
Rainbow*
Doesnt matter we might get destroyed this stage so mines as well come back stage 4
west dawn
Does anyone know the female host of Contenders? I think she's Brazilian and cute af
supple prism
creep
verbal roost
Who's replacing Nate? 😮
verbal roost
Oh ok ty 😮
old gale
im so excited for world cup
sullen berry
who wouldn't
USA should be looking to field a team that can play well, not just flex on other countries that haven't got it together as well as them
and the coaching will have to do well to gather any respect if they end up with thiccus and sinatraa for the third year in a row
little silo
who would you pick instead of Sinatraa
gaunt acorn
yeah, what?
@sullen berry why on earth would you not pick sinatraa
he's arguably the best american player in the league
in fact, i don't even think many people would argue at this point
sullen berry
It took 3 years to find players around his playstyle in SF Shock
I am not convinced because he's definitely going to be back as their star player that it will work out any differently without a solid support triple tank and support crew
Even if Goats is completely on the trend out by then
Who would be 2nd dps, Zachareee and hydration?
gaunt acorn
hydration hasn't looked great
sullen berry
I definitely think there's room for a contenders player to shine again, Zachareee I wouldn't have problems with this time
sullen berry
Aero bias or just pick Zachareee 4head
sullen berry
You know Germany could really use iostux as coach though
Unlikely, but maybe Hydration could find more love from his hometown Brazil this year 🇧🇷
gaunt acorn
if dpei doesn't get it he'll body check aero to the ground
gaunt acorn
aren't you forgetting canada
echo quest
If the meta is goats I don’t like our chances against the other teams
swift moth
@sullen berry hometown Brazil 
rapid shale
the overwatch league twitch channel is awful
y'know why?
I GOT A 600 SECOND BAN FROM THE CHAT FOR USING LENNY FACE, THIS IS A F*CKING DICTATORSHIP
cedar drum
Did someone from the OWL team
at blizzard finally grow a brain? During contenders on OWL channel finally. Jeez!
jovial fiber
^tru
plain star
fascist mods
trim shadow
Mods are probably blizz employees
tardy isle
Wait contender’s is on the OWL twitch now? Did I read that right?
tardy isle
Only one way to find out
echo quest
Tviq probably won’t get picked up
trim shadow
Thaz a terrible way to end a career
pearl stratus
Alarm, Changsik, and Bernar if they're smart.
Then you drop Poko, Boombox, and Sado.
I'd personally find a replacement for Carpe. Fish is washed up and a drama queen.
Boom, you've fixed Philly.
nova wadi
is poko that bad?
trim shadow
Poko should get traded to paris
They need a dva
If they keep running finnsi and nico on dva
theyll stay a meme
nova wadi
i think theyll stay that either way
pearl stratus
He's not bad, but its the price you pay for a cohesive group who've gone to all contenders finals and won.
trim shadow
Pretty sure
slender bison
question is normal that i dont get token from current live event ?
hidden osprey
swift moth
who will drive them?
nova wadi
little silo
Finally
trim shadow
next up hagopeun
little silo
trim shadow
how does that work?
copper solstice
maybe they are moving
hardy mauve
They are now a Korean team
They are gonna go play in Korea I believe they are. Getting a team house in Kr
copper solstice
they are tired of the american competition and needs more 
copper solstice
^
ruby pendant
need another team to step up for stage 3, shock and and titans are good, but do we want another finals of the same teams?
tawny sigil
hmmm, 2 article this week about esport, doesn't make OWL look too good
they didnt point finger too much though, just esport in general, and owl is kinda the center right now
also didn't know that the company that surveys OWL owns an OWL team, don't know which one
hardy mauve
With Immortals possibly buying optic that means they will own two OWL teams
tawny sigil
isn't there another group that already own 2 team?
blizzard esport keymembers set to leave in the next 2 weeks. Wonder who they are
hardy mauve
I don’t think so @tawny sigil
hardy mauve
yep
tawny sigil
im37 stopping as a player?
hardy mauve
it’s a meme cus he went from OD to OWL in like 20 days
tawny sigil
ah
hidden vault
@trim shadow they won't release hagopeun
little silo
this is mayhem we're talking about here
echo quest
The FU move is so smart
hidden vault
I thought there would be a rule that the academy team must compete in the same city
It is representing (or in this case region)
But I guess not
balmy wolf
welp considering they won every contenders season in NA, might as well try winning in the best region of contenders
kr is not the best region of contenders lol
NA stomped EU in the recenet atlantics, and EU/KR are roughly on par judging from their matchups/corresponding owl performances
so you're saying NA is the top region rn?
its only because they have the funding, if kr had better funding from local teams all the best players would go back
well if you dump a crap load of money in any region, local talent would be better
so yes NA is the best region lmao, but bc it has the money
thats what happens when academy teams are willing to drop money to field their teams
pearl stratus
I mean their reasoning is fair when looking at Tuckers longer post.
"It's not our job to develop local talent, thats on Blizzard. So we're not breaking up our team over the rule."
So they moved it.
balmy wolf
next season fusion's support is gonna change
Fusion has been properly fostering players to be put in the main roster
Or make big sells to other teams if needed
pearl stratus
Also from a player perspective for non-Koreans its a huge opportunity if they embrace it properly.
As becoming more adept at Korean can only do good things for their careers.
balmy wolf
Even then FU operates at a loss since contenders barely covers even one players salary
pearl stratus
They're owned by Comcast.
They're fine.
There's a few orgs in the league in which money is not a problem.
They're one of them.
balmy wolf
Yea but it shows why other teams don't field academy teams
pearl stratus
Other teams don't field them efficiently.
And thats more of their problem.
Look at London, or NYXL.
They literally field teams for the publicity, not for talent development.
No one on British Hurricane is going to be called up to the London Roster.
upper niche
Yeah, Contenders income compared to LoL dev leagues is uhh... interesting.
The point of Academy teams though should be that teams have a mutual interest in ensuring the league is developed and still has talent coming through. If that erodes, the league risks dying.
pearl stratus
That's ignorant though, flat out. Sorry to say.
upper niche
lol, no, it's really not.
trim shadow
Twitter
pearl stratus
The point of an academy team is to develop your new team. Cow-towing to a rule that can gaurantee you a weaker roster is stupid.
upper niche
That's one purpose - yes. But it's in their best interest to ensure the fundamental pathways are there and supported.
pearl stratus
Not if you get worse talent out of it.
upper niche
If you actually believe it's in their interest for their to be no development in their sport, I don't know what to say.
pearl stratus
They've had a roster for multiple season of contenders they've been developing.
And now if they stay they'd need to scrap a person from it.
For a random new rule.
I'd say fuck you to that too.
And they're still developing, they're just developing in the region that best gaurantees them players they want.
gaunt acorn
tucker explicitly said he has no interest in developing NA talent and i'm inclined to agree with him
Just wanted to give some clarity on the decision to move @FusionUni to Korea. We have an amazing team and we don't want to break them up!
The reason we invest the time, energy, and money into Contenders is to develop talent for the Fusion. We have always had the vision that evaluating players from all regions will help us build a superior in the long term - this is how traditional sports function. The Flyers are a mix of players from all around the world. Building infrastructure that allows us to take players from any region in the world is critical to that mission. We invest a lot into language tutoring and spend extra care to include culinary dishes from each region in team meals. It also gives everyone a chance. Any kid growing up in the world can play for the @Fusion some day.
For us the decision to move to Korea comes in part due to import restrictions. We don't want to have to part ways with players we believe in who are from outside the US. We aren't in contenders to develop NA talent for other OWL teams - some of which don't even have a contenders team because it's expensive - we are in it to develop talent for the Fusion. Developing region specific talent is Blizzards job (World Cup, etc). The Contenders prize pool doesn't even cover a tiny fraction of what we spend on players, coaches, and things like housing...and we've won every one.
Moving to Korea made sense, it allows us to keep our roster in tact (as much as possible). And the challenge of tougher competition will help our players grow and prepare for OWL. That's our main priority. Sorry NA, maybe we'll be back in the future. But for now, someone else can have a chance winning 😉 #GoFu 4-0
I wouldn't say it like that.
He said its not his job to develop it.
He's still bringing Elk to Korea, for instance.
Which will develop Elk.
It's his job to develop an academy team that makes sense for his organization.
Regardless of region.
gaunt acorn
i'm not saying he's biased against NA, i meant it in the sense that for his purposes there would be no point in developing a roster in NA
upper niche
The whole idea that it's permissible for an OWL team to not have a development team I think is a bit BS.
They should have that obligation as part of participating in the league.
upper niche
@pearl stratus Read above.
pearl stratus
Also its a cost object option. Thats unnecessarily burdened onto organizations who may not have the income.
gaunt acorn
they have talent they wish to develop and it better suits them to do so in korea
upper niche
"e don't want to have to part ways with players we believe in who are from outside the US. We aren't in contenders to develop NA talent for other OWL teams - some of which don't even have a contenders team because it's expensive
pearl stratus
It's not cheap to run an Academy team
upper niche
I don't really care where the development team is based. That's not a fundamental issue.
It's the fact that some teams support the league, the game and it's development, and other teams are permitted to not do so as though they're not obliged to support grassroots. That's bullshit.
gaunt acorn
because they don't think it's worth the investment
fervent finch
as long as there is players that can produce and get better with time, the team can be anywhere
upper niche
If you want to play in the big leagues, then you should have certain obligations - it's no different to making players available for certain promotional events. If that requirement is too onerous to you, don't have an OWL team, simple, go play in a second-division league.
gaunt acorn
so really, the fundemental issue you're raising is that some teams are willing to lower their standards to save money
upper niche
It's a fundamental "giving back to the sport" thing which many sports have.
gaunt acorn
which, given that they aren't mandated by the league to field an academy team, may be prudent from a financial perspective
at least by their calculations
pearl stratus
Especially new organizations like Guangzhou.
gaunt acorn
clearly fusion saw a lot of value in developing talent and integrating it into their main roster or selling them off
pearl stratus
Which have proven that as a new organization they can't manage both right now.
upper niche
Selling off talent is actually a really interesting way of looking at it.
pearl stratus
So do you punish them for focusing on your real cash cow?
upper niche
It's a viable, interesting revenue stream you wouldn't consider in the ordinary.
fervent finch
mlb has i think 120 or something minor league teams, granted they have more money, but still a good example of major league teams having a development team
upper niche
Australian Football League have a similar thing with the Reserves leagues. It's not mandated but pretty well accepted as being engrained now.
And they're going that way with the Womens league.
pearl stratus
MLB teams literally have to pay their minor league teams nothing though.
To be fair.
Yeah if you're the yankees your minor leagues get nothing.
But the "required" pay for a minor leaguer is a little over 1100 a month, just for the months they play.
And typically does not include housing, etc.
gaunt acorn
at the end of the day it's business
and many owl teams aren't fielding academy teams because they don't think it makes sense as a business decision
upper niche
The housing thing is widely misunderstood. When you're away from home as is the case with OWL at present it's treated like travel.
gaunt acorn
that may differ for other minor leagues in traditional sports
fervent finch
money runs the world, even though there probably isn't enough to go around
pearl stratus
I more mean you'll find situations with MLB minor league players sharing 3-4 people to a 2 bedroom apartment.
upper niche
In theory, LA-based teams should actually have no housing obligations at all from next year of OWL.
pearl stratus
It was strictly to theirs.
upper niche
even if a large percentage of matches do end up being played at Burbank if all teams aren't ready for the home and away system.
fervent finch
next year is pretty ambicious with the home away thing, i wonder how they are going to pull it off with the time zones and such
and just getting places to play the games in the first place
pearl stratus
My guess will be duration of stay.
If you do two weeks in Korea you remove a lot of burden.
Then two weeks in [x]
gaunt acorn
pearl stratus
Then two weeks in [y]
upper niche
A sensible schedule would have groupings of like 3 or 4 teams, and they all travel in a cluster to one city with a home host.
And then they play AvB, CvD, AvC, BvD etc.
pearl stratus
I also iterate I think a good part of talent development would be having your academy team in another region and send players there.
upper niche
Economically that's one of the cheapest ways to organise it.
fervent finch
that makes sense
pearl stratus
If Fusion Uni maintains a few non-korean spots on their academy team and imports in NA/EU players etc.
That's insanely huge for those non-korean players.
fervent finch
there are many teams in this league that have different languages on their team
but
pearl stratus
I think people focus too much on local development, when part of it is getting your locals to other places too.
fervent finch
that never holds them down
look at the sf shock
choi and rascal learned english just fine
pearl stratus
If I was an NA player I'd try and get on a Korean team for my development. It's like learning a language for business.
fervent finch
it's probably better to be bilingual anyway, for any job
pearl stratus
Bi at a minimum.
fervent finch
not just the league
pearl stratus
With the way the league is going if you could manage English + Mandarin + Korean you'd be assured a long career.
fervent finch
true
you could bounce around plenty of teams with ease because you know the language
trim shadow
so if fusion uni can switch to korean contenders in a snap
vancouver hello? runaway academy team?
fervent finch
i mean, academy and contenders is more for development and not actually winning, though winning is nice, the whole point is to help them reach their top potential and get to the league
the league is where winning matters
balmy wolf
So wait just to confirm, EU only has 1 gauntlet spot?
sullen berry
Just the one
Like the Pacific region
Talon esports players are capable of knocking off their Atlantic counterpart
Not quite there when it comes to beating the top teams in their own division
hardy mauve
FU got NA 4 then dipped to take koreas spot
balmy wolf
Would be interesting to see if they do good in korea
echo quest
FU’s main goal is fielding talent for the Philly fusion and that’s it. In other words they don’t give a shit about local talent. Going to the strongest region will improve their players
Also they will represent KR in the gauntlet so pog
hidden vault
Also doesnt FU play goats? If yes doesn't zach do well
echo quest
It’s really hard to find a weak link when everyone else on your team is so much better than the opponent
For example WHORU was great in fu and is now struggling in Korea
hidden vault
If you scroll up there are people saying that kr isn't the best region
echo quest
FU has 4 Korean imports
vernal obsidian
trim shadow
iz not thursday yet so
keen tendon
Does Any1 know when does contenders 2019 season 2 start?
Specifically Europe
Ive been trying to find it online for that past 15 mins lol
Also please @ me if u know the answer ty :)
hidden vault
Also why would the FU go all the way to korea?
To prove themselves?
They are gonna spend a bomb flying Snillo and Elk around
Doesn't seem wise logistically
Also if you want to promote anyone straight to cover an injured player
It's literally not possible
karmic grotto
who says you need to fly people around?
pearl stratus
Elk is already in Korea.
It makes sense in terms of cultural submersion for language learning.
karmic grotto
and exactly where
pearl stratus
Also Korea does still have some LAN events, so having them there for that isn't bad.
karmic grotto
is Elk?
pearl stratus
Korea.
karmic grotto
where
pearl stratus
For FU.
I have no clue, wherever the FU house is lol
They didn't post an address.
Twitter
Twitter
vagrant cargo
trim shadow
apperantly tviq to second wind
balmy wolf
Mangachu is also on the team as well apparently
echo quest
@hidden vault It’s FU they are owned by Comcast they are the richest team in the league ( it’s not close) and I’m pretty guys like Alarm and Bernar make a shit ton
karmic grotto
boombox and poko are history in next season
or
maybe Alarm can play
Birthday 21 of July, he becomes 18
Fusion can just add him before that date to the team
Also, Bernar is already 18
Chansik or sado
half python
@clever moss i dont really watch owl ,but a buddy likes the spark so i do XD
clever moss
Yea a 'friend' who introduced to overwatch likes soul dynassty what do u think of goats#
half python
i use to hate it watching it , then i played it and its incredibly fun to play
i usually play brig tho so XD
clever moss
what rank are you i just want an exciting platform to watch not goats its boring
half python
2499 sr on main lol
clever moss
main?
do u have ur original account with bad stats so u make another or u smurf😆
i cant smurf ive had this xbox account for lke 10 years so i dont wanna make another
get sime more point u can coach then right?
pearl stratus
It's the same as dive.
You can pick the right heroes, but you don't play them right. So it doesn't even exist.
swift moth
@pearl stratus depends on who you play with
some people understand how goats should work, others dont
tardy isle
They were talking about goats in plat
In plat we barely know how the game works let alone goats
Even if you understand the basics, things like cooldowns or when to engage plats will never play right
hidden vault
Starting from which contenders season whoru was loan to athena?
echo quest
S3
tawny sigil
so 1.37 or 36?
karmic grotto
?
gaunt acorn
@karmic grotto vancouver titans stuff
swift moth
@tardy isle I’m talking basic goats not iostux goats
balmy wolf
Twitter
karmic grotto
fusion uni sandbagging
hidden vault
I think fu would be trilled getting back against whoru
gaunt acorn
@balmy wolf try #lf-players-na
pearl stratus
I mean WhoRu isn't a threat, at all.
Genji isn't being played.
So he's about as useless as the stuff I left in the toilet this morning.
His Brig is on a Zacharee level.
pearl stratus
I mean his genji is still world class, won't change that. It's more on his coaches and everything else to keep him in line.
But technically FU is the second roster to bench/send him away because they didn't need him compared to how he was acting.
Whoever picks him up needs a no-bullshit coaching staff that will keep him in line through development.
pearl stratus
Yes, first was Lunatic Hai. They sat him for most of Apex S3 iirc.
hidden vault
And they still won apex
echo quest
@hidden vault they don’t need whoru. Snillo has a much better brig than him and he also has ego issues
hidden vault
Ofc they don't need him
If not why loan him in the 1st place
In fact (as mentioned above) fu woyld probably enjoy getting back at meta athena (whoru)
echo quest
Ooof I read your comment wrong lol
trim shadow
Sounds good
karmic grotto
when will he make
his own team
@balmy wolf a second here, he's planning on making his own team?
This guy's vision is amazing
The experience he gained in Uprising
It changes people
and I believe him
He can create a monster team
But there are important things to manage first as I've been reading the comments below his tweets
pearl stratus
He doesn't look like he's making a team, it'd be too short sighted. Looks like he's making a player development clinic.
pearl stratus
Though he could charge some of the OWL teams too. Since they also aren't run well 😛
karmic grotto
So it will be soon we will see the players name coming O_O
balmy wolf
its a set up to stage a coup on iostux
karmic grotto
balmy wolf
when all the staff and players are finalized, youll see an official twitter setup
cant say when thatd be
karmic grotto
Will the team participate in Trials, or will it go to Open Division
I guess OD first
😛
balmy wolf
without buying a spot all teams have to start in od
and if you buy a spot theres almost 100% guarantee you get knocked out like luminance
karmic grotto
hehe
you've got to deserve the spot
Hey, chicken contendies started in od
to trials, to contenders
karmic grotto
balmy wolf
theres a reason i left
karmic grotto
personal reason, or a private team reason you can't tell
pearl stratus
Probably the same reason a lot of teams fail - no structure/accountability/professionalism, I'd assume. Or little of it.
balmy wolf
super fucking mind numbingly scuffed team
balmy wolf
you know its bad when your own trials ghost your truouts for other tryouts
pearl stratus
I know Stilo just got a better opportunity flat out, so I can't say to why.
karmic grotto
Head coach periods were 1 month on average
balmy wolf
nah 8 coaches
balmy wolf
doing better LOL
balmy wolf
as in theyre in better environments
karmic grotto
good to hear
pearl stratus
Yeah I don't see a move to like.. Sydney Drop Bears being a downgrade lol
karmic grotto
Question as I've read from his tweet, he says he doesn't (particularly) look for players with much experience, but potential
How do you see potential?
And does SR have any correlation to the players potential?
balmy wolf
@karmic grotto i cant give the exacts but were looking for players who we believe have the mentality and growth possibility to reach OWL
this does not mean godly aim or 6k dragonblades
karmic grotto
I understand. A team is a team, I can see how solo plays will not be tolerated (without purpose)
jovial fiber
I agree looks kinda dead
swift moth
what are all of your thoughts on dorodo as a map
from my experiences (in diamond so very different), it seems like on of the most snowball-able maps
once you get past bridge choke its smooth sailing
trim shadow
The color scheme is suppose to be peachy
Theres more alternatives but i cant post from@gallery
upper niche
So they could be changing to Orange and White is it?
trim shadow
Its like a altnerative
To there regular uniform
Apperantly
So on some days theyll regular
And wear that
faint cedar
when will there be more fan reward streams that reward tokens?
tawny sigil
any owl players that dont use mouse pad on the stage?
trim shadow
since when did r overwatch get verified?
gaunt acorn
@trim shadow uh, a couple years, at least
basically since the partnership program began
they just didn't add a little 
badge until recently
but being partnered is how we've always had the invite url overwatch
anyways, this is the esports channel 
slim plover
gaunt acorn
@slim plover join an open division team -> get noticed -> join a contenders team -> get noticed -> join an owl team
that's the most simple way to put it
of course it's not so easy in reality
but if you're interested in beginning the path to pro, you should tryout for some high-level open division teams
gaunt acorn
@slim plover owl team; overwatch league team
you can join an open division team by searching in #lf-players-na or https://discord.gg/H3xdEz
it's basically an open-to-all tournament
you just need to be part of a team to compete, there's no rank requirements
proven saddle
Which teams/cities do you think will be the nexts to join the OWL?
I've started watching the owl on November of 2018 and one of the things I like the most it's that there's always the city in the name like in Americans sports
I have only watched football (soccer) and the names where pretty obvious, but Americans sports also have an adjective next to the city name, and I really liked that blizz took that instead of putting brand names of their teams
gaunt acorn
@proven saddle all we can do is speculate at this point
likely another korean team, perhaps more chinese teams
at least one more european team
and perhaps chicago or something american
busan/beijing/berlin/chicago
sounds semi-plausible
trim shadow
youll have to look at marketable cities
proven saddle
So sad, all I want is the league to expand
little silo
id like to see a german team
maybe cologne. I mean we have GamesCom and hosted some ESL tournaments
gaunt acorn
there were rumours berlin was getting a franchise for season 2
but it fell through (or was unsubstantiated)
empty pebble
Hmm
I'd actually like to see Australian/more asian teams because it can help to boost the esports scene there
Particularly in Australia where they have plenty of players in the league but so far no teams there
Oh yeah European & LATAM teams as well
But then it may be hard to find investors who would be willing to fork up $20 mil for a franchise in these areas
gaunt acorn
that's why it's unlikely we'll see a team from those regions
empty pebble
Well after all the league from the very first place is meant to be aimed at larger investors
And it is structured like American physical sports leagues
But the league is still continuing to succeed with a 30% increase in viewership
alpine birch
Hey Mystic can you cite a source for those viewership numbers? Not questioning your fact, just interested in reading more about it
echo quest
@empty pebble source
pearl stratus
Either way at the end of the day none of the viewer arguments really matter, at all because none of them are accurate.
You're better off looking at endorsement numbers and sponsorship increases for an actual clue on league health.
Because every monster tard and their mother only quotes twitch numbers. And while thats fine for their pedantic arguments on broadcast sites that literally don't matter - they don't have access to real numbers either.
empty pebble
@alpine birch opening week had a viewership of 13 million, comparing to the previous season's of about 10 mil
And in the Activision Blizzard Q1 report it states that the league's viewership (probably overall) increased by over 30%
trim shadow
Shanghai in dps is as scary as the boogeyman in ur closet
And the only goats teams that can outplay em@is vancouver and san fran
echo quest
Libero and Nenne what are you laughing at?
trim shadow
W a s h e d
The new bloods are stepping up
Only thing that carries nyxl against the new bloods is theres support line
jagged fox
NICEUUUUUU
pearl stratus
Also @echo quest Because you're thinking long term not stage term.
Shanghai has a really strong strength of schedule for Stage 3.
So they'll sit higher naturally because of that.
echo quest
Ah
pearl stratus
Valiant -> Atlanta -> Valiant -> LAG -> GZC -> GZC -> Philly.
Realistically LAG is the only game they should have a chance to lose.
LAG is: Dallas -> Vancouver -> Philly -> Wash -> Shanghai -> Toronto -> Vancouver
So you know, right away, LAG is losing two games this stage.
With potential to lose to Shanghai, and Toronto.
tulip comet
I hope Valiant can win some matches in Stage 3
echo quest
@trim shadow nah
echo quest
The downgraded from Fate plus the rest of the team apart from space isn’t good
tulip comet
echo quest
They*
tulip comet
valiant pepehands
trim shadow
Youve lost our right to opinion
echo quest
Explain why lmaooo
pearl stratus
Shanghai -> Chengdu -> GZC -> Shanghai -> Vancouver -> Spark -> London
trim shadow
If you say fate is a downgrade to swon
pearl stratus
Also I argue losing Fate may not be a downgrade.
On a 1:1 he's better than FCT.
No argument.
trim shadow
A man with owl leauge knowledge is a downgrade?
pearl stratus
But its more how the team works cohesively.
trim shadow
On a fully na roster almost
pearl stratus
Fate wanting KR only can cause issues.
trim shadow
If izayaki still plays
pearl stratus
So you'll get a lower skill main tank but potential for a more cohesive overall team.
Which would be an increase.
Also they picked up a Zarya.
Overall I think the team will be stronger.
echo quest
@trim shadow Fate is better mechanically and it isn’t close.
pearl stratus
But Fate was, relatively strongly rumored, to be a huge chunk of their issues.
With his attitude.
trim shadow
Chose your poison
pearl stratus
Individual talent doesn't mean shit, really.
trim shadow
In the meta game like ^ he said its about teamwork
echo quest
We’ll see
pearl stratus
I won't pretend FCT is anywhere close to Fate's skill level.
trim shadow
And bringing 2 synergized players to a team is a step in the right direction
pearl stratus
But I will say he can work with his team better most likely.
trim shadow
At main positions in rein and zarya
echo quest
They need upgrade their roles first.
pearl stratus
Since you won't hate your main tank and your main support in completely different books, let alone nowhere near the same page.
trim shadow
Just look at how sinatraa dictates the game on zarya
And goes unpunished alot of the time
pearl stratus
KSF wasn't even a horrible Zarya, but definitely not a strong enough one to carry.
trim shadow
If anything valiant should be mid tier this stage
pearl stratus
that being said, their schedule this stage is still brutal.
trim shadow
Stage playoffs probably not
pearl stratus
So I don't expect them to really get a win against anyone but GZC.
trim shadow
But maybe 3-3
echo quest
Chengdu has Jiqiren too
pearl stratus
Yeah, but I don't think he's had enough integration time for RUI's like.
So I don't think we'll see him for a bit.
Jiqiren is kind of a coaching nightmare.
Because he's VERY aggressive.
trim shadow
I doubt ameng will warm the bench after all@hes done
pearl stratus
So you have to regroom supports to make it work, that isn't done quickly.
echo quest
Yes he will once jiqiren is brought into the rotation
pearl stratus
I think we have a chance to see him week 3 onward. I'd be surprised to see him prior to that.
echo quest
Only thing ameng plays better is Hammond
pearl stratus
And Orissa.
echo quest
He will probably become a map specialist
trim shadow
Ameng has a decent rein
pearl stratus
We'll see Ameng on 2CP.
echo quest
Not as good jiqiren and his Winston isn’t even owl level
He refused to play in China he won’t play it now
trim shadow
Cause ameng winston doesnt exist
Winston is a funny little shit to play
Its not easy
pearl stratus
It'll break down to Jiqiren = Rein/Winston, Ameng = Ball/Orissa, they'll both play map specifically.
2CP will most likely go to Ameng, Payloads will be split.
I think you're likely to see Ameng on things like Junkertown. Jiqiren on the rest.
trim shadow
Still wondering what gzc will do with nero
Im gonna be watching chengdu gzc and valiant closely
Since they made movements
And are basically kinda sorta new teams
little silo
Nero will probably be subbed in for Kyb/Eileen
trim shadow
Thought nero was main tank
echo quest
No lol
copper solstice
pearl stratus
Just get a black trashbag and some spraypaint and make it yourself.
ruby pendant
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
jovial fiber
niceu
swift moth
gladiators best team
trim shadow
not even
jovial fiber
NYXL BEST TEAM
upper hawk
fresh epoch
Today i saw a Goat 🐐 in real life, reminded me that Stage 3 is coming up soon! 😭
pseudo beacon
copper solstice
hidden vault
What is the clockwork comp?
hidden vault
Thanks
sullen berry
And you need a incredible one tricks to make it work convincingly
Like with putting your dps on zarya
Work putting me off watching the stream live
GZ redemption arc begins tomorrow
sullen berry
Then again, Paris is currently like GZ kryptonite
I've used the same plays they have done for attack as Winston orisa and wrecking Ball it is obvious they were playing against teams who had better counters early on
Having never captured point B, I don't expect the chances of taking a map if its Paris to get any worse
rapid shale
Honestly, i think there should be tournaments (not owl ones, just some tournament) for low ranks. It could be entertainment for the masses, and allow low ranks to show their stuff.
slow walrus
recognition is good, but how would you choose who got to play?
and there's no monetary incentive for blizzard to do that either because viewership probably wouldn't be great
if you want proof of that look at the viewership difference and fanbase difference between contenders and owl
sullen berry
@rapid shale sounds like a lot of tournaments that are already happening. Funny that you say that when the first thing that comes to mind are those smaller discord-hosted PUGs/Scrim servers
could they get sponsors and do they deserve better prize pools?
rapid shale
Do you know where i can join a bronze tournament?
sullen berry
hold on let me DM you something I was in a while ago
buoyant wolf
Oh yeah yeah
hidden vault
They do have it @rapid shale
It's just that in the lower rank tournaments there are too many Smurfs
rapid shale
Oof
royal pivot
Well funny you should say that @rapid shale
balmy wolf
Hey everyone do someone know how to find free coaching 🤣
gaunt acorn
rare kayak
echo fox
yt ya boi wade
coral copper
what if tghe outlaws were good?
stark salmon
Question, how does a team qualify for the grand finals?
little silo
Its about where you place at the end of the season
stage finals are different
the top 8 instantly get into the stage finals
and they fight it out
only the matches in that stage will count towards their stage rankings
season playoffs add up the entire season to determine the placement of teams
echo quest
Jiqiren poggers
jagged crater
will they use him
echo quest
@jagged crater maybe a map. Near end of the stage he’ll start over ameng
trim shadow
me and endo predict hell come in on lets say 2cp or control to run wacky comps and jiqiren will do escort and the such
night tusk
worn hornet
Hope they post high-res versions of those
vale pond
!schedule
somber yewBOT
Developed with LOVE by MoonFire
little silo
Bench pressing Carpe lmao
vale pond
My bois in red about to get their asses whooped
south brook
So is goats dead?
plucky rune
shock is a really good goats team, so expect to see it this series, but what everyone else will run is very up in the air
worn hornet
is the fucking COX logo bigger than the team name or is it just me?
worn hornet
That should be the new Mayhem main jersey
south brook
Mayhem jerseys are great
plucky rune
ohmygodcusta
trim shadow
MMP that fucking florida jersey
worn hornet
Custa lookin' like someone who plays real sports for a living
worn hornet
I want the alternate mayhem printed on a quality cycling jersey
to go with my "old grandma" floral print gloves
red pier
Florida alt looks great
worn hornet
is the professional viewer going to be off the launcher like the WC one from last year?
light flint
Nice Jersey.
trim shadow
i still dont like that jersey
worn hornet
Is that straight-up an emoji peach?
I think that's part of what's throwing it for me. I associate 🍑 with booty not fruit
pearl stratus
Just think about how good the team is then it will make more sense Aeleas
Since they're ass.
worn hornet
they've got ass & cox on the jersey
south brook
Oof
balmy wolf
how shock
light flint
RIGGED!
jagged crater
Where the replay viewer at
dim raptor
:(
worn hornet
Imagine getting your map streak broken by a .500 team
dim raptor
this is horrible
worn hornet
"Look at these ugly, sloppy players."
—Dogman right now, probably
south brook
dim raptor
dapper lantern
👀
balmy wolf
oh god I see bunker
dreamy cave
LETS GO ATL
worn falcon
pearl stratus
Shock ran a tankless comp at one point.
To show you how serious they were taking the match.
balmy wolf
looks like dogman still has bad trance usage
inland pawn
whoever designed Paris really likes this game 😃
spring heath
!!!!!!!!!!! STAGE 3 LETS GO
inland pawn
EZ Clap
vagrant niche
i don't think there's any 2cp map that the community gets exited for
the worst one was Horizon and now it's slightly better
vagrant niche
i mean fair enough, but that is included pro players as well i believe
pearl stratus
Mostly just Cocco, but he hasn't mattered for two years
spring heath
relax doggie
pearl stratus
2CP will be more approachable post patch either way.
echo fog
vagrant niche
i'll tell you once the game starts again
trim shadow
i was willingly to give paris a chance lol the map
but after playing it its almost as bad as hanamura
minor flame
guys what happened to shock team bodies
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
joke
anywyas i forgot owl was airing today
is atlanta playing really good or is shock playing really
underwhelming compared to last season
vagrant niche
what happened?
balmy wolf
they look fine now
vagrant niche
something looked weird af
balmy wolf
same
vagrant niche
how does that work?
minor flame
i believe it was a visual and sfx glitch
but no one shouldntve been killed by the explosion anyways
mint slate
na bomb
minor flame
what thef uck is atlanta man
theyre only good against the top teams
and terrible against the lower teams
spring heath
i think they just start off strong and peter out
minor flame
ok so apparently
mint slate
this is the team that beat titans?
minor flame
Atlanta is better
south brook
Oh
south brook
Possible they just didn’t practice over the break?
clear crane
dam
minor flame
its not
that unheard of
but the top team who barely beat the other top team not scrimming?
clear crane
doesnt matter if shock screws up 1 or 2 alts. they so talented they can still push through