esports-discussion

[lost jacinth]

ult economy 🤓

[primal ibex]

like 3

[jovial fiber]

I

[lost jacinth]

will win this

[jovial fiber]

Ok

[karmic grotto]

WE GOT THIS

[spring heath]

nooo

[sleek vortex]

YES

[fast sparrow]

its over

[spring heath]

wtf

[fast sparrow]

gg

[night tusk]

CHOI

[fast sparrow]

gg

[spring heath]

omfg

[full gorge]

wow

[fast sparrow]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[dapper lantern]

goddamn it

[inland pawn]

how did super survive for so long wtf

[uneven wren]

rip

[fast sparrow]

OUR STREAK

[full gorge]

terrible fight

[primal ibex]

yesssss

[whole mulch]

woah

[sleek vortex]

YES, PLEASE

[fast sparrow]

NOOOOOOO

[jovial fiber]

YESS

[whole mulch]

howww

[spring heath]

what

[worn falcon]

OOOH

[spring heath]

OMF

[jovial fiber]

LETS GOOO

[worn falcon]

BOYH

[full gorge]

10s gg

[spring heath]

wowowow

[night tusk]

ULT ECO GOOD

[lost jacinth]

gfg

[primal ibex]

should be gg

[south brook]

Yoooooo

[lost jacinth]

gg

DONE

[spring heath]

gg

[jovial fiber]

SHOCK STAGE 2 WINNERS LETS FUCKING GO

[spring heath]

:_(

[dapper lantern]

I’m never going to love this shit down, I swear

[primal ibex]

gg

rip slime

[jovial fiber]

RASCALLL

[dapper lantern]

LIVE

[full gorge]

"big shatter"

[hidden osprey]

GGs Shock

[night tusk]

YEAHHH

[fast sparrow]

NOOOOO

[inland pawn]

GG

[sleek vortex]

YES

[jovial fiber]

SUPER ULT LULW

[south brook]

[karmic grotto]

pov faster

[bold pier]

im disappointed

[night tusk]

YEAHHH

[jovial fiber]

NA ULT LULW

[dim raptor]

AHHHHHHHHHHH

[minor flame]

thats gg

[dim raptor]

HAAHAHAHAAAA

[feral wing]

HOLY SHIT

[forest scarab]

Based Shock

[feral wing]

WAUNAGH

[primal ibex]

ez

[worn falcon]

OMG

[idle beacon]

FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[feral wing]

THEY DID IT

[dapper lantern]

I’m so mad tbh

[uneven wren]

good job sf

[azure harbor]

[feral wing]

THEY FUCKING DID IT

[worn falcon]

HOLY

[dim raptor]

FUCK YES!!!!!

[worn falcon]

SHIT

[spring heath]

fun game

[feral wing]

LETS GO DUDE

[jovial fiber]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[worn falcon]

THEY DID IT

[spring heath]

aw bumper

[willow prawn]

YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS

[hidden osprey]

they actually did it

[jovial fiber]

WOOOOOO

[vagrant niche]

POGU

[full gorge]

[willow prawn]

WE TAKE THOSE

[dim raptor]

bumpers sad

[fast ember]

damn

[spring heath]

is ok

[dim raptor]

GOOD

[feral wing]

AINT SO COCKY NOW ARE WE BUMPER?

[spring heath]

dont cry

[trim shadow]

Yo

[lost jacinth]

Sinatraa MVP

[worn hornet]

I think Choyobin's glasses just got broken

[jovial fiber]

LETS GOOOO DUUUUDEEE

[feral wing]

jk jk

[trim shadow]

How did super survibe

HOW

[dapper lantern]

bumper oh no

[jovial fiber]

SINATRAA SUPER CARRY

[karmic grotto]

Bumper lmao

[fast sparrow]

@dim raptor kind of a dick thing to say

[idle beacon]

and i was who said that shock is top3 ..where otheres disagreed 😄

[night tusk]

GG

[primal ibex]

aw bumper :(

[jovial fiber]

AND VIOLET

[silk tiger]

super staying alive was impressive

[jovial fiber]

Choi

[hidden osprey]

[whole mulch]

RIP

[south brook]

Poor bumper 😦

[balmy wolf]

[jovial fiber]

RADVSLLLL

[minor flame]

confetti

alot of confetti

[finite pagoda]

[dim raptor]

like you havent been talking mad shit this whole time? @fast sparrow

[jovial fiber]

OH MY GOD RONNY

[finite pagoda]

I BELIEVED

[lost jacinth]

feelsbad for bumper

[full gorge]

TEHYRE CRYING

[supple prism]

my stream just lost all the pixels

[jovial fiber]

FUCK THE TITANS

[fast sparrow]

@dim raptor read my history bruv

[worn falcon]

FUCKIN

[karmic grotto]

it hurts

[fast sparrow]

that was a good series

[worn falcon]

SHIT

LOL

[karmic grotto]

first lost in a year

[dapper lantern]

bumper no

[worn hornet]

@supple prism Video encoders have a real tough time with confetti

[jovial fiber]

I WAS HERE PogU

[balmy wolf]

Bumper looks gutted lol

[fast sparrow]

its okay we love you titans ;-;

[spring heath]

it's ok titans ily~

[fast sparrow]

well some of us do

[trim shadow]

That...was that last fight

[worn hornet]

I don't

[jovial fiber]

N Omegalul

[spring heath]

nice revenge ]

[trim shadow]

I dont understand

Super was so low

[lost jacinth]

Super has respect for Bumper

[finite pagoda]

GG EZ

[night tusk]

https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/1127658444360646656

Rod Breslau (@Slasher)

sinatraa is worth all $150,000

Twitter

[jovial fiber]

OWL Teen Titans

[worn falcon]

isnt the first time a mixed team won the stage?

[lost jacinth]

great rivalry

[wide herald]

God someone finally beat the titans

[karmic grotto]

lmao

[fast ember]

I kinda want a rematch at grand finals

[finite pagoda]

The camera lingered on Bumper for a long time

[karmic grotto]

non koreans won

[dapper lantern]

LMAO

[whole mulch]

whew

[karmic grotto]

from koreans

[spring heath]

i am sinatraa!

[fast sparrow]

Its okay Rascal's turnaround is worth the loss

[dapper lantern]

to soak in the emotion

[idle beacon]

[whole mulch]

Aren't like 4 of Shock's players korean

[steep zephyr]

enough goats for a lifetime

[karmic grotto]

no

[jovial fiber]

murica

[karmic grotto]

2

[echo quest]

@dapper lantern to be fair shock has 3.5 Koreans

[jovial fiber]

Anime Redemption Ark

[worn hornet]

2nd from the left back row looks like discount Matt Mercer

[primal ibex]

idk

[minor flame]

LAV won S1 Stage 4 playoffs

[echo quest]

Sinatraa is half korean

[dapper lantern]

great, now we get to hear from this fucking loser

[minor flame]

arent they technically the mixed

[whole mulch]

"Anime redemption ark"

[sullen berry]

[whole mulch]

Cringe

[spring heath]

arc

[whole mulch]

o right

[jovial fiber]

[night tusk]

[primal ibex]

sleepy

[fast sparrow]

LOL

[dapper lantern]

anyway, bring on all star weekend smh

[fast sparrow]

awkwartd

[night tusk]

LEAKS

[spring heath]

awwww

[primal ibex]

LOL

[karmic grotto]

😄

[drowsy fulcrum]

awwwwwww

[jovial fiber]

Ark 🗿

Hearts my dude

[lost jacinth]

[dapper lantern]

😴

[primal ibex]

👏

[analog lark]

"happy mother's day mom" -super

[fast sparrow]

im gonna go drink my sorrow away ;-;

[worn hornet]

at this point I'm sure jsut about everyone in the league was willing to help Shock win today

[echo quest]

I want dps now

[night tusk]

Striker

[karmic grotto]

Titans are beaten

no more titans

[lost jacinth]

Sinatraa.. my god for real

[karmic grotto]

They were SHOCKED

[jovial fiber]

Architect

[lost jacinth]

makin those plays

[echo quest]

Striker and rascal boutta pop off

[fast sparrow]

wow I forgot Striker was on the team lmao

[drowsy fulcrum]

Violet

[spring heath]

violet!!!!!!!!

WOOOOo

[dapper lantern]

now we’re never going to hear the end of this shit

[jovial fiber]

Boston

[primal ibex]

violet <33333

[drowsy fulcrum]

@dapper lantern nah Shock deserve it

[lost jacinth]

Violet was awesome

[jovial fiber]

VIOLET WIDOW PLS

[drowsy fulcrum]

however Houston fans can shut

[sullen berry]

Viol2t

[night tusk]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6ZAINNU8AAUU9O.jpg

[wide herald]

What was that hand movement?

[fast sparrow]

Stage series is now 1-1

[dapper lantern]

sad

[wide herald]

I can't even

[echo quest]

Sinatraa was amazing.

[drowsy fulcrum]

@wide herald he's summoning his stand

[jovial fiber]

Super potg LULW

[stark salmon]

Aww yeah,

[echo quest]

Went from average tracer to best zarya in owl

[wide herald]

It's like watching a 14 year old kid playing naruto....

[feral wing]

shock's plot armor was too strong

[idle beacon]

the tea won 500k dollar, rioght?

[echo quest]

Yuh

[jovial fiber]

Yep winston

[spring heath]

welp ggs nice stage

[jovial fiber]

GG BSNSSN

[night tusk]

https://twitter.com/bonniequeue/status/1127658902659706881

bonnie (@bonniequeue)

vancouver hasnt posted their loss graphic yet bc they forgot to make one

Twitter

[idle beacon]

how much was it last year, for a stage win?

125k ?

[fast sparrow]

I wonder if Titans losing will shake them going into Stage 3

[whole mulch]

Sinatraa went from "NO FAIR HE HAD A ZEN ORB ALL GAME" to Zarya god

[jovial fiber]

See yall in allstars

[wide herald]

It's like a few million for the team

[lost jacinth]

ggs bois

nice hangin with you all

gn

[wide herald]

I still don't get how they even earn that back unless they are top teams

[whole mulch]

gg

[dapper lantern]

great

[jovial fiber]

GG

[dapper lantern]

gg

[whole mulch]

@wide herald Sponsors and stuff

[wide herald]

Still, a few million and add in the expenses

[whole mulch]

the prize money is nothing to them

[wide herald]

There's no sponsor that will pay that much

Even with 10 sponsors, they could barely make a million

[night tusk]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6ZATv6W4AArxvb.jpg

[patent bramble]

ggs

[echo quest]

@wide herald the minimum buy out price for a team is 20 million dollars

[dapper lantern]

are you serious, rn

yes they can

[twin kettle]

that was a fun game to watch

[north tendon]

what a fucking game

super dominated so hard

[echo quest]

And for cities such as La and London it was way more

[wide herald]

That's why I'm saying that unless you're a top team, you really can't make that back

[north tendon]

violet too

[fast ember]

i was expecting a better blizz world performance from vanc

[whole mulch]

@wide herald Sponsors pay more than you think. They make money selling their merch, selling all access pass, cheers from twitch, ingame skins from OWL tokens

[dapper lantern]

^

[jovial fiber]

I’m Pepega

[north tendon]

shock played how nyxl was supposed to play tbh

that aggro style

[jovial fiber]

Manooo

[wide herald]

The merch, passes, cheers and OWL all go mostly to blizzard

[echo quest]

NYXL is defensive

[dapper lantern]

Mano 😭

[pearl stratus]

The fuck you can't make that back. Are you just ignorant of everything?

[wide herald]

Each team only gets a tiny portion of that

[twin kettle]

Im not the most knowledgable to ow, but would it be wrong to say bummper played kinda meh today?

[north tendon]

but shock also did a lot better with their ult usage

[jovial fiber]

Hail Mano

[pearl stratus]

Immortals literally just raised $30million in investment from a fucking luncheon.

[whole mulch]

@wide herald It's split between blizz and the team

[fast ember]

Bumper was actually feeding today

[swift moth]

Roar is a feeder 😭

[north tendon]

yeah bumper was awful even against nyxl

[twin kettle]

it felt like he forced a lot of transes out, and opened up gravs for the shock

[swift moth]

Gladis shoulda won

[north tendon]

he was exposed hard today

[dapper lantern]

you don’t have to be very knowledgeable to realize a player is performing poorly

[echo quest]

@twin kettle he was shitting on super on the later half of KR and Paris but other than that he got outplayed

[swift moth]

^

[idle beacon]

bumber had ace shatters, tho

[balmy wolf]

Any sales of skins get split between all of the teams not just the team you buy the skin

[idle beacon]

wasn't it super having a shatter into nothingness on paris?

[dapper lantern]

LMAO

shhhh

[fast ember]

I feel like if bumper wasn't their friend and long term teammate he'd get traded

[twin kettle]

we dont talk about paris

[night tusk]

[north tendon]

super did a shit ton of better shatters than bumper did lol

[echo quest]

@fast ember nah

[north tendon]

even with paris

[night tusk]

OWL is anime

[minor flame]

paris

[wide herald]

@pearl stratus Immortals are an established brand, so they have people willing to pay

[fast ember]

everyone else for vanc was popping

[wide herald]

That's why I said unless you're a top team, it's hard to make it back

[echo quest]

Being out played by super and mano isn’t bad

[fast ember]

bumper had a few good shatters

[idle beacon]

i only saw the last secods of sfs attack on paris.

[twin kettle]

even then, it still felt like he forced a lot of transes out

[wide herald]

I'm just glad titans finally lost

[worn hornet]

I wonder that the other 4 are

[night tusk]

I hope this is the end of goats meta

[worn hornet]

assuming German & French to start

[wide herald]

It's no fun seeing someone dominate the league

[worn hornet]

and given the industry probably Korean

[fast ember]

having an undefeated team adds the tension we all just experienced though

[wide herald]

Goats will never end

[fast ember]

they had to lose at some point but it was an extremely entertaining run

[whole mulch]

Goats will end eventually.

Blizzard is desperate to get rid of it

they try to force meta shifts

[wide herald]

Until someone finds a way to make 5 DPS and 1 healer work

[fast ember]

goats will end when nobody plays overwatch anymore

[dapper lantern]

it has to at some point tbh

when that is, ??????

[echo quest]

@wide herald you must have forgot NYXL last season

[wide herald]

Unless they create a hero that grinds shields, goats will never end

[idle beacon]

vanc were playing 4 dps, 1 tank, 1 heal.. and seemed to work pretty well

[fast ember]

symmetra
sombra

[wide herald]

But that shifts the meta too much

[split hatch]

Titans are gone

[sullen berry]

Shock represent

[balmy wolf]

SF Shock is not OWL top-tier level as fanboy-triggering as that sounds. People loved them for their Season 1 underdog streak, and their vibrant brand personality. But expecting them to improve in Season 2 is very unrealistic. They still have to make and win playoffs first. At the same time, I'd advise Crusty to trade Super, Sinatraa, and Moth to Outlaws for Muma. Muma on main tank will help SF Shock out for a few more seasons.

[wide herald]

The 4 DPS, 1 Tank, and 1 Healer is situational

[dapper lantern]

oh

[fast ember]

ngl i want another rematch at some point

[dapper lantern]

nice essay

[echo quest]

It’s copy pasta lol

[wide herald]

Unless you can make that work for every map, it won't shift the meta

[split hatch]

I am now a shock fan. Fight me

[wide herald]

Big daddy pine

[dapper lantern]

sorry for your loss

[wide herald]

There's your fight

[night tusk]

150k worth it lol

[idle beacon]

@balmy wolf are you being sarcastic?

[whole mulch]

Y'all so focused on vancouver and shock, you didn't realize the true top tier team is getting ready to destroy everyone in a 30-0 streak

the florida mayhem is coming

[dapper lantern]

mayhem

YES

lmao

Same thought

[whole mulch]

haha

[little silo]

Vancouvers loss graphic is kinda boring

[wide herald]

Sure and dafran is gonna come back for stage three

[smoky coral]

yeah, for the first time

[wide herald]

I'll believe it when I see it

[echo quest]

Ye Fate and Xepher tankline is pog champ

[little silo]

xepher?

[fast ember]

dafran is coming back as tracer for vanc

[dapper lantern]

all kr roster lets GOOOOO

[echo quest]

Forreal this is the first Xepher doesn’t play with a bot

[night tusk]

super worse stats. wins. yesterday bumper worse stats than mano & wins

[echo quest]

Tho*

[whole mulch]

Isn't Dafran having a baby

or was that a troll

[dapper lantern]

what

[night tusk]

[dapper lantern]

👀

[echo quest]

Xepher played with bums such as miro,kuki and swon

[night tusk]

you got jebaited. you got, you got jebaited

[fast ember]

why don't they track shatter blocks?

[echo quest]

Now he has fate

[night tusk]

je je je je jebaited

[dapper lantern]

y’all remember

[undone haven]

washington titans lul

[whole mulch]

@echo quest Isn't Xepher the guy that bullied Geguri

[trim shadow]

I still cant believe

Super lived

[echo quest]

No

[trim shadow]

For that long

[dapper lantern]

when fragi was alive

[whole mulch]

Pretty sure it was Xepher

it was one of the guys on Seoul in season 1

who was a part of the whole Geguri scandal

[night tusk]

xepher said he would stop being a pro or something if geguri is not a hacker. he did apoligize after all (its a long time ago)

[whole mulch]

yeah

that

[echo quest]

@whole mulch he accused her of cheating ( nobody knew who she was)

[wide herald]

At least we get to see big daddy pine at all stars

[dapper lantern]

I’m excited

[echo quest]

@night tusk that was his teammate not him

[dapper lantern]

The jerseys look sick

[fast ember]

what is pine going to play tho lol

[night tusk]

but blizzard did mentioned it was a bugg. if you watch the clip you could believe it was hacking

[dapper lantern]

himself

[wide herald]

Widow or mccree and feed

[night tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deZMsDYYpJY

[willow burrow]

I’m guessing the Titans got defeated by the shock?

[dapper lantern]

yes

[whole mulch]

yes

[fast ember]

probably widow and do nothing all game

[whole mulch]

unfortunately

[echo quest]

Spider Pine bb

[willow burrow]

there goes their steak.

[echo quest]

It’s 12 here

I got school tomorrow pogchamp

[dapper lantern]

school

[fast ember]

It's 12:30 here

[echo quest]

It was worth the time

[willow burrow]

1:54.

[wide herald]

Go sleep child

[dapper lantern]

3:54 👀

[willow burrow]

EST?

[wide herald]

In the afternoon kek

[dapper lantern]

yes

it’s early and I don’t know what to do now, this is usually when the matches are starting

[whole mulch]

Same

[night tusk]

when there will be a meta when off tank players play zarya ?

[whole mulch]

I want more

Ando, maybe next meta

I'm guessing it'll be rein/zarya

[night tusk]

I dont think so lol

[whole mulch]

what do you think will happen

[dapper lantern]

I know what will happen

[night tusk]

winston or hammond if not still goats

[whole mulch]

Blizz is desperate to get rid of goats

every patch is goats nerf

[night tusk]

plz no bunker meta

[proven saddle]

Bumper: "I am. Inevitable."
Sinatraa: "And I. Am. Already Tracer."

[dapper lantern]

All tanks other than Roadhog will be banned

[whole mulch]

I mean winston fell out of meta partially because of brigitte

[night tusk]

there could be a chance that there will be 2-2-2 lock what some speculate

[whole mulch]

and I think she still does a good job vs him

I heard lots of teams are doing bunker though

on live servers

[karmic sentinel]

Eh, long as titans aren't dominating whatever the next meta is

[dapper lantern]

I would like to see more dps in general, doesn’t matter how or with what

[whole mulch]

Season 1 OWL

was amazing when it came to dps

Widow, tracer, mccree

[night tusk]

first season we saw junkrat, pharah, genji, widow, hanzo. but this season we atleast had torb, symmetra

[karmic sentinel]

Tell that to symmetra

[whole mulch]

junkrat lol

[dapper lantern]

junkrat

[whole mulch]

I remember the JAKErat

[idle beacon]

jakerat yea ;D

[night tusk]

Profit junkrat pog

[dapper lantern]

speaking of Jake

do you remember that clip of his tact visor that shot nothing

[whole mulch]

Sort of

do you have a link to it?

[dapper lantern]

There was a lot of funny shit happening last year

[night tusk]

I remember AKM debut vs gladiators

and AKM Blade

[whole mulch]

Oof

[dapper lantern]

Oh no

[whole mulch]

I was an AKM fan before OWL

but his debut in OWL was just

eh...

[dapper lantern]

bad

[night tusk]

he had huge soldier play imo

[dapper lantern]

maybe subpar would be a better way to say it

[night tusk]

remember when hooreg / akm actually played soldier.

now only tanks 😦

[whole mulch]

Sad

[dapper lantern]

it’s just

a lot of people got pigeonholed into playing other roles

those that could adapt, play

[whole mulch]

I wonder

[dapper lantern]

those that couldn’t got benched, traded or benched and traded lmao

[whole mulch]

how this season would be going if goats never became meta

who would be #1 right now

I don't think vancouver would be doing as well as they are if it was a 2-2-2 meta

[dapper lantern]

still nyxl but I’m biased as hell

[whole mulch]

lol

Nah that's probably true

NYXL dps is top tier

SBB's brig is...

questionable

[dapper lantern]

...

[whole mulch]

He's not tailored to play support haha

[dapper lantern]

bruh remember when everyone lose it when they brought him out on dorado

oof

[whole mulch]

Yeah

[dapper lantern]

not...good

I started off as support and shifted to tank around season 3. now I play mostly dps but off meta dps

[whole mulch]

I mostly play support

I love ana

[dapper lantern]

I...like it. Sometimes.

[night tusk]

Finally the winning streak is ended ...

[dapper lantern]

When I’m with friends. Solo is just asking for it.

[whole mulch]

The only DPS I play are like, Genji, Tracer, Widow.

And tracer is kind of awkward to play now

Brig is still decent at making her life hard

[dapper lantern]

lmao I do Mei

I love playing Mei

[whole mulch]

I despise you.

This is why we can't be friends.

[dapper lantern]

I know, everyone does.

I was gonna show you a clip too smh

forget you

[whole mulch]

lol

[dapper lantern]

I haven’t played in so long, watching owl makes me want to

[whole mulch]

Yeah same

[night tusk]

dafuq that charge

[whole mulch]

Well sort of

Season 1 made me want to play tracer, or widow

but now watching goats

goats is kinda fun to play but no one plays it anymore

[dapper lantern]

I was aiming for diamond border by the end of the year

[whole mulch]

Are you close?

[dapper lantern]

not going to happen now most likely

[whole mulch]

I maxed my diamond border lol

[dapper lantern]

no, I’m

let me check, it’s been a while

2068

[whole mulch]

You're close! 300 levels

If you stack QP or even comp

you can get it this year

[dapper lantern]

I was ahead of schedule, was supposed to be there around thanksgiving because I played everyday but my pc went out of commission

[whole mulch]

Ah yikes

[dapper lantern]

I’m going to an Internet cafe tomorrow and getting some play time there

[whole mulch]

You live in NYC right?

[dapper lantern]

yes

[whole mulch]

There's that 1 cafe that always supports NYXL

I forgot the name

[dapper lantern]

yeah, waypoint

that’s where I’m going

[whole mulch]

yeah

waypoint

nice nice

[dapper lantern]

I had a friend of mine log in for me to get my archives skins lmao

[whole mulch]

haha

I wanted to go to Waypoint when my PC broke

but I ended up buying a new PC

[dapper lantern]

The only thing would be getting my keybinds right because I play semi default with minor changes

[balmy wolf]

SHOCK WON????

[dapper lantern]

But it’s been like 2 months so I’m going to be bad probably

yes

[whole mulch]

Yes Boop

they won in the weirdest way too

[balmy wolf]

I couldn't watch the game

[whole mulch]

they somehow won with like 1 ult when vancouver had 5

[balmy wolf]

Wow

[dapper lantern]

super didn’t die

[whole mulch]

and vancouver was right about to cap point

Yeah

Vancouver used grav, shatter, dva bomb

and like 2 other ults

[dapper lantern]

remember what nyxl did yesterday

[whole mulch]

and didn't kill anything

[balmy wolf]

I thought titans had 3 map wins

[dapper lantern]

with not killing slime

[whole mulch]

Titans had 2

[balmy wolf]

Oh ok

Thanks

[dapper lantern]

vancouver did the same thing today with not cleaning up kills

[whole mulch]

I wonder

how the heck they didn't win that fight though

5 ults

payload right there

just need 1 team fight

and they lose

[little silo]

mental pressure maybe

[dapper lantern]

target priorities were off

[little silo]

bad ult usage

[whole mulch]

Possibly, but that's a huge messup

500k messup

[dapper lantern]

it happens

I’m still endorsement 3 somehow. I’m gonna log in tomorrow and instantly lose it

[whole mulch]

I've been stuck at 2 for the longest

probably because I don't talk in my games lol

[dapper lantern]

I fall in and out of 4, you have to pretty much ass kiss and I don’t do that

[whole mulch]

Wow

I've never been 4

I can barely even get 3

[dapper lantern]

and the people who hit 5? no idea honestly

[whole mulch]

I've seen like, 1 5

in my life

[worn hornet]

wait 5/15

this is Wed/Thu?

[whole mulch]

15 is wed

for NA/EU

[worn hornet]

"Weekend"

[whole mulch]

Where does it say weekend

[worn hornet]

They've been saying "all star weekend" for like a month now

[whole mulch]

Idk why they call it weekend

it's the 15th and 16th

wednesday and thursday

https://i.gyazo.com/f58c2e6a1bf0b8e5c9e13a3b31a3821c.png

3 days from now

[dapper lantern]

I see it called “All-Star Game”

last year was All-Star Weekend

[supple prism]

Yea why is it in the middle of the week

[dapper lantern]

stage timing is different than last year

[supple prism]

Next stage is June 6th

[full gorge]

why does the stream say its live?

[supple prism]

Rebroadcast

Then they do reruns

Idk man

What ever brings more money

[full gorge]

it shouldnt say live

[mint slate]

i missed

this game

omg

did shock win? no way

are they now better than nyxl?

[supple prism]

They have been better for awhile

[mint slate]

ok

my next skin is for shock

after i get lucio all star

[supple prism]

I got the rein shock skin

[mint slate]

i would, but im so bad at rein

[dapper lantern]

you say that like it matters

people are bad at characters and still pick them and play like they’re good lmao

[mint slate]

i dont want to disapooint my team when they see i have a league skin and they expect me to do well

[dapper lantern]

bruh

[mint slate]

ill pick like another support or something

i already have skins for my main heroes

[uneven wren]

i'm a terrible ball but i got clutch kills with it when my team played 3 dps comp and we won the map

it was in comp too

but i still suck at ball

[dapper lantern]

I am the definition of bad rein and I won a comp game with him with a good team behind me, it means nothing. it’s a game at the end of the day, play what you want and buy skins for the character you want

[tropic coyote]

did San Francisco win?

[supple prism]

4-2 yes

[tropic coyote]

:O

[chrome plume]

San Francisco is playing vs Vacouver

[karmic grotto]

Almost feel bad for ATL

Playing sfs and titans after each other

[chrome plume]

Competitive players always use the same teams because is OP?

[stark salmon]

I'm guessing you can't earn tokens from watching rebroadcast?

[dim raptor]

i dont think so

[nova wadi]

You cant

[trim shadow]

Atlanta will beat san fran

Im prediciting

I wont speak on vancouver

[minor flame]

your predictions fucking suck

you said that spark could 4-2 shock

that was the most outlandish prediction ive ever heard

[balmy wolf]

woo calm down

[minor flame]

coming from me this is pretty neutral

[jovial fiber]

LUL

[small escarp]

GG

[idle beacon]

so this was vanc's first loss, even since contenders?

[tulip ridge]

Think so

[idle beacon]

not bad at all, tbh

[balmy wolf]

yea the streak is over

the current runaway didn't even make it to contenders finals

[jovial fiber]

Y

E

[balmy wolf]

I saw the hold shock did on the blizzard world... holy crap how did they do it

[idle beacon]

you mean the first point?

[balmy wolf]

2nd point

[idle beacon]

sinatraa and vio or rascal held first point solo for a while 😃

[balmy wolf]

that too

Still though titans undefeated in the regular stage

so they hold that record still

[minor flame]

still managed to full hold them on Paris

the series was somehow

back and forth

[balmy wolf]

it was

[idle beacon]

yea paris was weird

[balmy wolf]

either way great match for both of them

[idle beacon]

was it an empty shatter or not? i wasn't there when paris was going on

[balmy wolf]

shock definitely most improved team

[idle beacon]

yea sfs improved alot

[trim shadow]

Yep

Leave it to whatever fan base san fran has to be toxic

bumper is plat
bumper is bad
bumper is feeder

@minor flame who likes predicting for the top dog?

Unless its fucking vancouver florida

Then you have no choice

the sparck were improving

[minor flame]

hey tbf bumper fed alot of times in the second half

[trim shadow]

Thats why i said if they keep rising they have a shot

[minor flame]

you cant consistently make it into top tier after only a stage when all youve been beating is low and mid tier teams though

[trim shadow]

Mid tier*

Hangzhou played no bottom table teams

[minor flame]

Paris

Paris is pretty low tier if you ask me

theyre like what FL Mayhem was today

boring

forgettable

trash

[trim shadow]

Paris is like

The gate keeper

For mid tier to bottom@table

They have coaching issues

Not player issues

Unless like benbest

And kruise

[minor flame]

its true

theyre slightly on the verge of what makes them mid and what makes them low

but for me its leaning more on the low tier

[trim shadow]

Cant disagree

Just realize

Houston is worst team in the leauge

[vale pond]

mayhem is worse

justice is probably better now tho

[rancid sentinel]

Jeus vancouver lost

[minor flame]

Mayhem is bound to improve with Fate

Houston could improve

Their discipline is good

They have good ult rotation and synergy, but thats about it

[vale pond]

jake feeds a lot

[trim shadow]

Fate improves the frontline of florida

[vale pond]

rawkus is v eh

[trim shadow]

But xepher is still there

So they wont trend upwards like washington is doing

I would dropp all of houstons coaches rawkus arhan and maybe coolmatt

[vale pond]

who to replace them tho

maybe atlanta could give houston kodak

[upper niche]

why the hell does everyone rag on Bumper so much?

[vale pond]

people dont really

he's genuinely a good guy and a great player

[upper niche]

Yeah that's the impression I get, but people think it's cool to hate.

[vale pond]

just his playstyle is a huge meme and his team was the undefeated one

I've never seen serious bumper hate

[minor flame]

His shatters can be great

But when hes monotone playstyle of go in feed lol

He overfeeds when it costs them

[trim shadow]

Just get someone from contenders

[upper niche]

Maybe a whole team

nah that's just silly talk, a contenders team couldn't possibly be competitive in OWL.

[trim shadow]

Depends on which one your talking about

Houston should stay western

[vale pond]

idrc about the makeup of houston nationality wise

but a contenders support is prob the best way

I dont see atlanta getting rid of kodak

[whole mulch]

@upper niche Vancouver titans is a contenders team

that got drafted to OWL

instantly best team in OWL

some of the players in contenders are at OWL level or even above OWL level

(sorry I'm not sure if your comment was sarcastic or not lol)

[trim shadow]

Thats cause goats

Like kaiser

I saw him popping off

[whole mulch]

Kaiser is a good main tank

he used to be the tank for runaway (titans)

[trim shadow]

What happened

[vale pond]

any good flex supports in contenders that could replace rawkus

[trim shadow]

https://twitter.com/benchmobdc/status/1127722508310982656?s=19

dave (@benchmobdc)

Congrats to the @SFShock on an incredible Stage 2 performance!

Updated power rankings heading into the mid-season break.

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

kaiser needed money so he left runaway

this is when they keep losing in apex which was reasonable

[upper niche]

What about the rumoured forced 2/2/2 for OWL? That will smash the power rankings.

[trim shadow]

Houston is to high

Houston must be off the bord

[balmy wolf]

supposedly it will occur during stage 3 and since stage 3 is next month it could happened

i imagine shock will still be a top team

[trim shadow]

If role lock does come

Then yes

Lets rank@houston

[upper niche]

Yeah that's what I meant. I would expect if it's going to happen teams have been notified so they can now start practicing, and they're just waiting for the public announcement and possibly under instruction not to talk about it until then.

[balmy wolf]

striker has supposedly been only playing widow and has a 36% crit accuracy after 150 games or something

[upper niche]

It would make absolute sense that they didn't want it to overshadow the finals.

[minor flame]

2-2-2 for owl is a odd one

[trim shadow]

2/2/2 lock will flip the power rankings on its ass

[minor flame]

cause it will most likely become a dive/bunker meta

but more narrowly

[trim shadow]

But i can understand why blizz would test 2/2/2 in owl

[minor flame]

bunker baptiste and double sniper

with a dash

a small dash

of pharmercy

[balmy wolf]

oh boi double sniper

[trim shadow]

with ashe

[balmy wolf]

nah

[minor flame]

nah

[balmy wolf]

ash ain't good

[trim shadow]

please

[minor flame]

ashe isnt good when dva is around

[trim shadow]

I just wanna see thicc cowgirl

[balmy wolf]

why use ashe in mid range when you can use widow

[trim shadow]

The only thicc in ow

[upper niche]

They'll use Stage 3 to find out what needs fixing though. If Bunker becomes unbreakable, it'll make it much easier for them to tweak certain tanks or DPS to prevent it being used all the time with 2/2/2, as there's far less compositions than //*

😄

[trim shadow]

^

Agreed

[balmy wolf]

sombra will probs be the counter to bunker comps

[minor flame]

yes but keep in mind

[upper niche]

Buff Sombra

[minor flame]

iif there is a dominant bunker meta in stage 3

they CANNOT change it mid stage

they have to wait until the stage ends BEFORE any changes come through

[upper niche]

I realise that.

I'm already kinda starting to worry what's gonna happen during the off season, that massive gap between the end of September and March next year.

[minor flame]

OWWC

[upper niche]

It really feels like way too big a gap to keep it alive.

Pft, World Cup.

aka the Korean Scrim Series? 😄

[balmy wolf]

i would look at the t2 scene for new metas

[minor flame]

t2 is just 100% goats aint it

[balmy wolf]

with some unique variations

[minor flame]

dude i watched collegiate finals today

and i saw bunker mirrors

like wtf is this

[balmy wolf]

lol

joemiester was actually coach for the winning team

[trim shadow]

Stage 2 tbh was suppose to be pinnacle overwatxh

But it wasnt

[balmy wolf]

and they beat some former contenders players

[minor flame]

there is no pinnacle overwatch if there is only one dominant meta

and itll stay that way

a "pinnacle" overwatch would just be a variety meta

[trim shadow]

Thats what 2/2/2 could bring

COULD

[minor flame]

ehhhh

[balmy wolf]

idk, but if role lock is a thing, then we know sniper meta is coming back

[minor flame]

my guess is that the core meta frame in tanks and healers become the same

baptiste bunker v dive

ofc it will depend on a map but that is honestly the metas im predicting

double sniper, sombra and pharmercy will be prevalent

[simple badger]

probably dive coming back

not double snipe

[minor flame]

well i mean

[balmy wolf]

brig is still a thing

[minor flame]

at top tier play double sniper is just dominant

[simple badger]

brig is trash in 222

[minor flame]

widow outclasses any hitscan and hanzo takes cares of tanks

[trim shadow]

Brig will completely die in 2/2/2

[balmy wolf]

EMP also counters dive pretty heavily

[minor flame]

Brig and Hog are things that will probably die in 2-2-2

yeah thats why I say Sombra play will still exist

her core concept is made to be played against any type of meta

[upper niche]

I think Hammond will still have a place in 2-2-2.

[minor flame]

no doubt

hammond is just really self sufficient to not have

[balmy wolf]

on the other end of things, the stage finals had so many amazing micro plays

[upper niche]

Mind you I haven't bneen paying much attention - are we seeing much Rein+Zarya plus Hammond? Or X+Dva and Hammond?

I can't recall.

[minor flame]

huh

Hammond is most reliable in a 3 dps comp

in this current meta he only has place in those 3 dps comps

[simple badger]

nah

[minor flame]

with maybe a dva

or so

[simple badger]

people run him with dva alot

[minor flame]

but hes most to look at in a 3 dps where he enables the dps the most

[upper niche]

Now that I think about it, they could have buffed Hammond to break Goats pretty substantially.

[minor flame]

ehhh then you just make Hammond breaking everything

[upper niche]

And they could do the same with Bunker.

[minor flame]

heres the thing

[upper niche]

Nah, without breaking everything I mean.

[minor flame]

power creeping one comp just makes them the dominant

it doesnt actually fix anything other than "i dont like this specific set of heroes played the most"

[upper niche]

Pft, power creep in OW - as if that isn't already a massive problem.

[balmy wolf]

you're solving a problem by creating another problem

[upper niche]

"Hey I know, we'll give Hanzo an ability to make him a 'shield breaker'... never mind that it lets him one-shot a 6-man team with a single arrow each 😦

[minor flame]

using storm to break shields is a waste

[upper niche]

I will never undersatnd how the design team didn't say "Okay, we want him to be able to break shields - let's give him an ability that has a damage bonus to shields/armour, but low damage otherwise"

[minor flame]

doesnt that just make you symm then

besides if you complain about hanzo killing tanks easily

wont that exact change do the same with all the tanks

even with a healer like zen

[balmy wolf]

actually there was hanzo goats in KR contenders

grav + dragon, hanzo was building ult like every 90 seconds

problem is there is no dva

risky comp to run

[minor flame]

all goat variations are risky to run

cause default goats is so safe

you wanna know the best way i think goats can be nerfed

reduce the amount of dmg zarya does

say like

[balmy wolf]

she does 160 max right?

[minor flame]

reduce her scaling dmg

160 max?

i thought it was 190

[balmy wolf]

wait

[upper niche]

Was it Nenne that was building Grav in like 12 seconds in NYXL vs VAN?

[balmy wolf]

let me check

[minor flame]

every top zarya at this point has built a grav in like

sub 20 secs

[balmy wolf]

yea its 190

[minor flame]

yeah

fuck that

reduce the scaling

[upper niche]

I remember one match both teams used Grav on Night Market(I think?), and then 12 seconds later, there was another NYXL Grav.

[minor flame]

not only will it nerf the main dps of goats

but youre also nerfing the charge for a ridculously game winning ability

[balmy wolf]

yea nerfing zarya aint a bad idea

[minor flame]

in that comp atleast

making it around 160 would be better

[upper niche]

it's actually one of the more sensible ideas I've heard recently.

[balmy wolf]

I mean look at sintraa, dude has a grav basically every fight

clutch on blizzard world due to building another grav in 20 secs

[minor flame]

things like a zen building trans is quick is justified with his squishiness, exposure and his restricted projectile and cast aim

[upper niche]

it gets boring as fuck that every fight it just teams stuck in grav, 90% of the team the whole team survives the grav, often it's both teams simultaneously... it's just boring.

[minor flame]

rein has to risk his life just getting a quick shatter and make good fireshatter streaks

but zarya?

from a distance if she can just press her bubbles at the right time

from the bat she can just get a grav easily

and when half of goats is tanks

[upper niche]

I feel like Blizzard missed something though: Grav distance should be amplified when it goes through Baptiste ult :DDDD

[minor flame]

Zarya just farms ults so ridculously fast

[balmy wolf]

seeing top zarya's is honestly pretty scary

[upper niche]

It took me so long to get my head around the changed Grav distance.

Yeah, the difference between OWL Grav charge rate and PUG charge rate is insane.

[trim shadow]

Theres also doom goats

[balmy wolf]

like I knew sintraa was a good zarya even before goats, but he took it to another level

[trim shadow]

O2 ran it

[minor flame]

doom goats is really fucking fun to watch

[trim shadow]

Decimated runaway

[upper niche]

Make Moira Goats a thing! 😄

[minor flame]

its a good mix of aggression and patience

Shock already runs Moira Goats

pretty often

[upper niche]

I just wanna see Jayne lose his shit at Moira getting played 😄

[balmy wolf]

watching doom goats is pretty fun

[trim shadow]

soldier goats

[balmy wolf]

not enough burst to work

[minor flame]

it can work in more open maps i guess

like oasis center

[trim shadow]

With baptiste out im@suprised baptiste goats was only ran by san fran

[upper niche]

I'm trying to think what hero you basically never see in Goats.

[minor flame]

yeah thats because baptiste is way harder to integrate in goats

in top play let alone

[balmy wolf]

brig's instant heal is pretty important

[minor flame]

its about the only burst heal you get in the game

[upper niche]

It's almost as though having all that fire concentrated on the same location his invulnerability is placed is an inhibitor ;p

[minor flame]

you know what im surprised by is the amount of people who dont use ana goats

nade + lucio amp is pretty tough

its a way better initiator

[balmy wolf]

titans ran ana goats like half of the time

in the regular stage

[upper niche]

On one hand I wish people would play less Ana when they can play Mercy better... but lately I just wish they'd bloody well stop running Lucio when they're shit at him and at this point I'd accept them running Ana in place.

[trim shadow]

Honestly

[balmy wolf]

ana goats is nasty to play against

[trim shadow]

Why is baps ult slightly trash

[minor flame]

cause its a throwaway ult

built fast easily

[trim shadow]

Of all things to give him

They gave him that

[balmy wolf]

I mean it works in bunker

[trim shadow]

Hes a actuall heal bot

[balmy wolf]

or to just pressure teams to get back

[minor flame]

its good pressure

but its best used in bunker when the team is moving towards something

getting even 1 pick from the amp is amazing

[balmy wolf]

you can't exactly survive the damage from the amp

rascal made the best plays with AMP

[minor flame]

no doubt

the dude played mei profesionally

his placements are bound to be good

[balmy wolf]

headshotted zarya before she can grav

this was against spark

was pretty nutty to see

but yea rascal is a monster on that hero

[minor flame]

ana goats is a risky gamble

cause you dont have a saving ult from a grav

[balmy wolf]

oh for sure

[minor flame]

but you do havea better initiator

and a better initiator just leads to more won fights

if you can play your cards right, rotating your ult cycles well will win you alot

[balmy wolf]

lucio has to be more conscious on ult usage

wait I forgot, if u get purpled in a trans does it negate it?

[minor flame]

yup

[balmy wolf]

ahh nice

no wonder titans like using it

go aggro and nade everyone

but yea once grav is online your kind of screwed

[minor flame]

ana goats is best used in offensive type of teams

say occasionally Fissure Seoul ran it with RJH

Ana is enough to keep Fissure more alive in his insane plays

but she also has great offensive utility

Nade + Lucio Amp is really fuckin good for healing

Nading the enemy team is just as amazing

its enough that it can negate the need for a trans

[balmy wolf]

hah fissure... poor fissure

seoul payed a pretty penny and then they benched him

[minor flame]

as an investment it was to shift to Marve1 Seoul

it still hasnt paid off

[balmy wolf]

idk seoul is looking like S1 seoul

[minor flame]

I mean yeah, you have enough coherency to start taking down teams more conveniently

but you kinda lose the capability to take on higher tier teams

aggressiveness is key in this meta

[balmy wolf]

If they could just play with fissure's style then it be fine

titans did it with bumper

it just takes time

[minor flame]

Fissure Seoul shows real promise

all it takes is investment

[balmy wolf]

shock is basically a example of an investment gone right

props for them accepting rascal into their contenders team beforehand

they knew what they were doing the entire time

[trim shadow]

I still cant believe they defeated the gods

This is next level anime

Thats a trend this year for some reason

[balmy wolf]

I mean it was kind of expected to see shock win

28-0, that's something that even top teams from last year couldn't accomplish

[trim shadow]

There still what 14-0?

And there next two stages are pretty easy

[hidden vault]

Vancouver still has a chance to do undeafeated stage