I mean either way if you're below 3700 it literally doesn't matter.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
You don't even have mains.
You have people who barely live without choking on their spit.
vale pond
regardless the most that they should do is 1-1-1 minimum and sort matchmaking based on most played
pearl stratus
Hell even 3700 to 4200 barely gets a meta.
vale pond
Thats it
dreamy cave
ninja zarya
night tusk
synced
pale sail
Alright, Spark stayed on Bastion way too long
I don't think 2-2-2 lock is going to help anything
vale pond
Its an excuse people use for being bad
pale sail
Just let me toggle something that says "I play support" and stick me in a game with atleast 1 other Tank and Support person.
vale pond
yeah
supple prism
fillers are the problem
vale pond
I fill and its gotten me decently far
supple prism
do you fill or flex
vale pond
Depends
If I want to tryhard I’ll instalock lucio
Otherwise I’ll play whatever works
So I guess flex
night tusk
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeVDRMyVMAAXWCE.jpg subbing out krystal...
echo quest
Adora...
supple prism
but do you ever play roles that you arent good with at the rank you currently at
vale pond
depends
I used to with rein
but my rein got good enough that its a flex and not a fill now
my monkey has been good
Arguably my worst role is hitscan
night tusk
I think orisa is boring af
supple prism
now what if they added separate SRs for the 3 roles
vale pond
Ugh that would be awful
night tusk
jeff said that is a awesome idea (on interview with emongg)
vale pond
jeffs opinions are bad change my mind
supple prism
why is it awful
night tusk
they might do it
pale sail
I dunno, I feel like I'm a Diamond healer, but like a gold DPS. I'd be okay with it.
vale pond
Multiple placements, more grinding, less flexing
night tusk
thats what emongg said
dreamy cave
nice bomb
supple prism
what if they got rid of placements
pale sail
Please
vale pond
My point still stands
pale sail
They're essentially worthless anyways
supple prism
ok
vale pond
I dont want to get stuck in that
supple prism
how would you be stuck
supple prism
oh i never do that
night tusk
what is london doing
vale pond
I do often when I’m doing badly
pale sail
Gesture has spent 50% of the match in the air
supple prism
i really hate having to switch gears like that midmatch
supple prism
and as a main tank i would love it if i had teammates who stuck to what they were good at
inland pawn
ROLLED
dreamy cave
this is a damn good match up
snow mason
im tired of casters saying "sick matchup potentials" knowing damn well its just going to be goats vs goats
inland pawn
HUGE SHATTER
night tusk
D:
echo quest
Guxue is styling on Gesture jesus
gaunt acorn
this match just shows how much of a difference there is between titans/shock and the other playoffs teams
final river
Lesson for Spark, just keep playing goats
gaunt acorn
although, i mean, shock didn't look fantastic today either
echo quest
I know rein is gesture’s weakest tank but still
balmy wolf
well shock had the mental fortitude to pull it off
especially on paris when it should've been a draw
stark salmon
Is anyone having issues getting tokens from livestream?
supple prism
i believe im getting them
stark salmon
I've been watching it since the Halftime between Shock and Dragons and I still haven't gotten anything.
supple prism
i watch on the OWL website so i know i am logged in
gaunt acorn
i am getting drops on every account except my main, for some reason @stark salmon
been watching since the matches started
echo quest
Gesture had 10 deaths and 1 final blow bruh
visual glen
Confusing tweet 
stark salmon
Trying to watch on both the website and twitch
visual glen
Fucking banshees
karmic grotto
Hahahahahhahaha
inland pawn
DAMN
karmic grotto
Fucking hard jebaited
south brook
Lol
echo quest
Damn spark two full holds
inland pawn
whats up with spitfire losing to lower tier teams t ho
gaunt acorn
spitfire aren't any better than them
forest wharf
spitfire is still shit at goats
inland pawn
EZ Clap
pale sail
Solid play by the Spark
south brook
Damn spark is killing it
tawny sigil
wtf is a banshee getting killed in the crowd
inland pawn
@tawny sigil thats the best part 
tawny sigil
toxic crowd from a toxic game
upper niche
Heh. So Elimination Finals systems are funny (I like/prefer them though over Brackets) - if HZS win, we already know who SFS will play (HZS). But if LDN win, we won't know until all matches are all played tomorrow.
inland pawn
whats considered toxic these days would've been child's play in the MW2 era
upper niche
Yeah, I've heard some pretty trivial stuff (eg, feedback, game advise) labeled as 'toxic' and it's like... that's not toxicity.
eg, "Stop doing X". whaaaa, you're being toxic. WTF? No.
inland pawn
xD
tawny sigil
dont care what toxic means... destroying my ears is toxic to me, i wouldn't like to be there
inland pawn
wtf godxue
echo quest
Wait how tf did he lap gesture
pearl stratus
He's getting much much much better cleave.
worn hornet
he made modern art with the last one
pearl stratus
Just constantly on 3+ people.
pearl stratus
Thats..
south brook
Wow
pearl stratus
3 Full Holds in a row.
south brook
Recordbreaking
pearl stratus
They literally full held every map.
tawny sigil
sad
upper niche
This is brutal
trim shadow
this is like the ultimate mental boom
snow mason
karmic grotto
Ez
south brook
I can see the confusion in spitfires eyes
tawny sigil
look at profit... that's the face of someone that left my workshop mode without giving it a good chance... karma
south brook
Imagine if London loses having only 1 point
snow mason
only 4 kills in the second half
pale sail
4 total kills thus far for London after the half
south brook
How embarrassing
inland pawn
do ppl still remember about vince carter's dunk contest in 2000 anymore
karmic grotto
:(,
pale sail
Wow
pearl stratus
Rofl
south brook
GG
pearl stratus
Well
snow mason
Ria throwing 
worn hornet
did he just say "no mail on sundays"?
south brook
Oh?
pale sail
Nearly doubled their kills there for London
upper niche
Heh. They weren't trying to kill them. THey were trying to hold/stall them.
inland pawn
ez clap
trim shadow
london will beat hangzhou - most f this chat
pale sail
Spark win!
pearl stratus
That was way unexpected.
echo quest
Gg
upper niche
So they play SFS, and the two winners tomorow play each other
pale sail
Woo! Atleast one of my teams won tonight.
trim shadow
i saw guxue basically play out of his mind
forest wharf
trim shadow
if guxue continues this climb..san fran wil fall
trim shadow
vancouver is currently sweating
echo quest
I mean that’s how they won against Boston and Paris
inland pawn
London Spitwater 
trim shadow
idk got the real interview1
gaunt acorn
karmic grotto
Honestly
trim shadow
i think you better bow down
karmic grotto
Gibraltar is just a Guxue map
pale sail
NY XL just haven't looked as good this year
echo quest
I just want to what the fuck London we’re thinking picking hanamura
trim shadow
its goats..mistakes shine when you make em
upper niche
Yeah I'd agree with that, I think NYXL will beat GLA
echo quest
Were*
karmic grotto
Let's make a bet
upper niche
Havne't NYXL had a couple of players traded away?
karmic grotto
I bet gladiators will shit on nyxl
trim shadow
they werent using em anyway
echo quest
@upper niche Ye but the ones they didn’t need
upper niche
Yeah - but they were still good players - that's the problem.
echo quest
And?
pale sail
I think LA v NY will be close, but I think the Gladiators will take it.
upper niche
They had such a stacked roster those teams have become useful to other teams, and other teams have been able to learn from going up against those better players.
pearl stratus
Honestly the only important person they got rid of in terms of huge upgrades has been Ark.
Janus is Janus.\
echo quest
@upper niche those two players play on a bottom 5 team doubt teams pay attention to them lol
pearl stratus
Teams will always pay attention to Ark.
Bilingual Korean Main support?
Literally always worth a spot on someones roster.
inland pawn
@trim shadow the name itself in chinese is pretty Pog but the translation is kinda dumb cus its missing the poetic part of the language
echo quest
@pearl stratus no he said that teams can learn nyxl’s playstyle because those two players aren’t on nyxl anymore
trim shadow
@inland pawn just like how poko or pokpo means waterfall
pearl stratus
Eh it varies team to team, some teams do use 'player' coaches if the players are just better. But they're all on Wash.
And they already have a bad coach.
So probably not much.
echo quest
That’s what I said
inland pawn
@trim shadow lmao now that you mention it, pokpo sounds like butchered cantonese
pearl stratus
I mean Aero did the same thing to Dallas.
echo quest
Way better than kyky and I doubt he earns as much as wizard
pearl stratus
Eh. First thing as a coach was to hire Zacharee.
Questionable.
I like seeing just how many teams had bad teamwork and bad coaching in Season 2.
It went from a hidden problem to super glaring.
echo quest
Dpei for USA coach
trim shadow
its gonna be the most bar fight esk goats youll see this stage
worn falcon
pearl stratus
London heard people complain about EU view times.
So they decided to make it not a problem
pearl stratus
If they had played cleanly they could have gotten two. They're top of the non-top 3 teams.
karmic grotto
Spark > Shock
pearl stratus
They have a relatively "easy" Stage 3 schedule too
uneven wren
spark need 4 map wins in the semis
minor flame
glad my boys spark win as expected
but as expectedly either way shock is gonna win semis
this is gonna be sad to watch
cause its gonna be
Shock v Inferior Shock
trim shadow
ill remember that
minor flame
People doubting that Shanghai is a top 4 team
theyre a pretty good contender for the top 4-5 spot
balmy wolf
thats only if teams dont figure out how to counter them properly
minor flame
you mean the thing that applies to every team
balmy wolf
Im just putting them at mid tier rn, they'll bounce around a lot
tho I imagine they go further if they didn't have to face shock as their 1st opponent
minor flame
for you know
facing the top team of the league for 2 consecutive matches
they did well
better than what most other teams did
balmy wolf
nerves got them in the end
minor flame
Shocks supports are just too good
carry worthy
Viol2t and Moth do a lot to the team
balmy wolf
choi as well
raw willow
Stream straight up died
balmy wolf
spark probs is gonna put up a good fight against shock
minor flame
maybe
balmy wolf
or they'll got stomped themselves who knows
balmy wolf
spark face against a team who only play against lower tier teams
minor flame
its just that shock does it better individually and in teamplay
balmy wolf
not much to go by that
minor flame
I mean its true that Shock has only mostly played lower tier teams
but 28-0ing them is still impressive
balmy wolf
indeed
minor flame
plus you seen their stage 1 performance
minor flame
theyre definitely something that arent just a fluke
balmy wolf
spark is a dark horse tho
minor flame
cept Spark already faced Shock before and were stomped in 2 maps
trim shadow
ultimate dark horse
balmy wolf
they do look better tho
minor flame
better doesnt really cut it when youre playing the same type of thing against a team thats just the best at what you do
trim shadow
the shocks weaknesses are on the table
try try try try
to punish sinatraa super and moth
minor flame
4head moment
trim shadow
easy said then done
balmy wolf
thats easy to say tho
trim shadow
cause fucking violet in the background is clicking heads
minor flame
do you know why they put Viol2t on Moira
beacuse viol2t is the one keeping all the ones alive
even if you punish
trim shadow
litteraly just said violet is back there clicking heads
balmy wolf
even if scrappy situations, shock can pull a win out of nothing
paris was a great example of that
minor flame
the synergy with shock is just too good
balmy wolf
so yea, i expect good team fights, but shock is gonna win outright
trim shadow
ill remember that
balmy wolf
and then there is the ever looming titans
minor flame
basically
balmy wolf
that just win
minor flame
shock win against spark
gg
titans and nyxl and glads are basically our contenders
fuel is just
they wont survive
trim shadow
4-2 spark...dont @ me
balmy wolf
fuel got fucked by division leaders
minor flame
except London isnt the top team of the league
the disparity of skill between London and Shock
are high
trim shadow
earlier people were talking about how improved london was
laughs in chengdu beatdown
trim shadow
against teams theyre suppose to win againt
balmy wolf
disparity between top goats teams versus mid tier teams is high
minor flame
you can call spark a good contender for a mid-top tier team
but you cant call them something that can beat a top tier team
balmy wolf
look at titans versus seoul
balmy wolf
u can beat them with non goats and then lose to goats
trim shadow
beats seoul
minor flame
they cannot beat shock
trim shadow
*alright this is a team
balmy wolf
seoul was not a top goats team
minor flame
you wanna know the difference between Shock and London/Seoul?
Shock is consistently top
balmy wolf
there's only 2 real goats teams
trim shadow
espect london pulled a gf out of there ass? even tho it was philly
trim shadow
and like i said...momentum does wonderful things in sports
adrenaline is a feeble partner
and plus hangzhou has the fan support
minor flame
so by your logic
Shock should be unstoppable right now
cause theyve been on a momentum run for
weeks
trim shadow
pretty sure its 50/50 split for hating and loving shock
youll love the shock cause sinatraa and super
youll hate em cause right now they can only goats
and like counter pick
minor flame
you know Shanghai was on a wining streak up until Shock
yeah momentum wont beat you a top tier team like that
balmy wolf
expect counter picking doesn't work in the end against goats
minor flame
in playoffs lol
supple prism
eh
trim shadow
wether vancouver did it or hangzhou did it
minor flame
in a rematch
balmy wolf
they had a perfect stage already
supple prism
now they dont have to worry about it
balmy wolf
the streak didn't matter anymore
trim shadow
theyll more likely play lose
supple prism
and no one is gonna match it for awhile
trim shadow
but thats the same for hangzhou
minor flame
youre too optimistic with teams
you think that the simplest things will get them to top tier level
it doesnt
trim shadow
i mean i believed in atlanta to upset new york
one time
the 2nd time was unexpected
minor flame
New York is inconsistently an oddjob
trim shadow
truth
minor flame
their strat is easily exploitable
you cant just exploit Shock like NYXL
Shock is hard to exploit
supple prism
i watched sideshows breakdown of that and NYXL had it coming
minor flame
their cohesion is a solid dome
trim shadow
cause sinatraa pretty much walks in and eats everyones food and flicks you off and steals your girlfriend
balmy wolf
idk, the spark vs spitfire made spark look like a top 3 team because london got full held 3 times
trim shadow
pretty sure he has the least or almost no gravs eaten?
supple prism
nyxl cares too much about jjonak and shock can switch to protect who is needed
balmy wolf
yea because there was no dva vs dragons
supple prism
we all know this isnt really londons meta
trim shadow
gladiators are no better considering roar is more shaky then a fat man on a tight rope
balmy wolf
unproven like all the other mid tier teams
minor flame
seoul glads and londons are slowing down
tripping on their own shoelaces cause they cant stitch together
balmy wolf
all the top mid tier teams have the tools to be even better, but it takes time
minor flame
currently Shanghai and Spark replace them as a top-mid teams
Shanghai has always consistently
supple prism
top mid?
supple prism
there is only two in the top
minor flame
mid-top is basically the top of the mid tier teams
trim shadow
the top mid tier as of right now is shanghai seoul and atlanta
supple prism
ehh
trim shadow
and like dallas if zach improves
minor flame
ehhhh
balmy wolf
alt?
trim shadow
which in goats is not possible
balmy wolf
not yet
trim shadow
daco and erster are absolutely nutty...and masaa
minor flame
atlanta still hasnt proven them as a actual very good team
balmy wolf
ill wait until stage 3 to see if alt improves
trim shadow
ignoring pokpo and fat finger babybay and frat boy dogman
balmy wolf
ALT has to face both shock and titans back to back in stage 3
minor flame
dallas even if zach improves isnt that great
trim shadow
inb4 atlanta beats san fran and takes vancouver to map 5 and puts the fear of god in Bumper
i decree this
balmy wolf
wishful thinking
minor flame
yeah dreamboy
balmy wolf
you're talking about the 2 tops teams in the league
minor flame
NYXL is still tripping on themselves
trim shadow
remember when chengdu was 20th on every single fucking power ranking
supple prism
its really hard to say, i just feels like there is a significant gap between top and mid
trim shadow
remember...Something big is coming to stage 3 that involves dps
babybay and erster are a top 5 capable dps duo
that being said striker and architech exist
and haksal
minor flame
goats is staying dominant unless they reduce zaryas dmg
trim shadow
ill remember that
minor flame
or something other radical
trim shadow
and that
balmy wolf
we know goats in staying for a while
minor flame
buffing dps more is the shittiest decision Blizzard will ever make
cause were already in a 3-4 dps meta
trim shadow
jeff kaplan : im happy with the balance of the game
trim shadow
thought rascal became full support
balmy wolf
rascal is a flex god
balmy wolf
rascal is like profit
they can pick up any hero they want
and play it at a top level
babybay has good mechanic, but he's not a top 5 dps
echo quest
He doesn’t play any hero Better than those three unfortunately
supple prism
well if they ever still need a zarya he is most likely the choice
hidden vault
Then why play sintraa as a starter lmao
balmy wolf
because he has a good history on zarya
he already was a good zarya back then, just needed to be coach into a proper goats zarya
echo quest
@hidden vault I meant on dps
hidden vault
I wonder if striker would do better
Sintraa can be replaced by Striker
Super by Smurf
Shock is almost a korean team
Just need a moth replacement
balmy wolf
it be better if they stick to 1 main tank
or else you get the nosmite guexue situation
verbal roost
Have they announced the all star skins for all heroes or do they announce the 2 skins during each season?
supple prism
they only make and release 2 skins a season
verbal roost
Ok
supple prism
so far we had fire genji, water tracer, moon mercy, and sun lucio
maybe earth rein, and wind dva next year?
tardy isle
no
supple prism
We should complain
upper niche
What were the Tracer/Genji ones called? Just Pac/Atl?
nova wadi
Wait spark won?!
vale pond
Fuck why do I miss the upsets
echo quest
@nova wadi they stomped
hidden vault
Spark is great XD
nova wadi
Yikes
hidden vault
Time for charge to stomp too 😋
little silo
I expected Spark to win against London but Shock... is a different horse
If Gladiators win against New York then Im an oracle
hidden vault
Play offs curse
little silo
that comes on top
i wonder when boston are gonna sell some of their players
aimgod has to be pretty valuable rn
hidden vault
There's no point selling aimgod unless they wanna switch to the full english team
Aimgod is their in game translator
Would make sense to get rid of gamsu striker and neko
But why would they get Axxiom and another Korean zen
But yeah aimgod is worth alot
I imagine it would help teams like
Who has korean to english issues?
Glads?
slender lance
They don't seem to have one anymore
Maybe justice but probably not
I think gamsu,Neko and striker didn't want to be on that team
balmy wolf
Hi, I'm looking for experienced and talented people who want to set up a project like creating an Esport organization. If this is for you, send me a message.
little silo
A few teams might be interested in picking up Shu
Shu to Spark would make a lot of sense
since bebe is arguably the weakest player on the Spark
little silo
Bebe is solid but I honestly think he could easily be replaced
I just want to see Shu on a better team tbh
its not super realistic
swift moth
decay was playying poorly against boston
I think against a more predictable team like xl he should be better
little silo
Judging by how good he has been in general he might have just had a bad day against Boston
swift moth
^
colour hex was shitting on him
who is not as good of a zarya as him
i think the pressure of a perfect stage got to him
minor flame
Decays good but I dont think hes top tier honestly
vernal obsidian
shanghai dragons' supports threw paris by running face first into shock
and then diem threw on rialto with bad gravs
with that said, I've never seen a dva with more game sense than choihyobin
space perhaps with the ult cancellations but you don't see him hunting down pharmercy.
hidden vault
Why still keep nevix then?
slender lance
Shock have a lot if extra players
Nevix, architect, striker, Smurf
Choihyobin also saved violet from dding nano pharah
Couldn't remember how to spell shocks zen right
limber pine
Wolf/Achillios talked about Choi a bit on the cast a few weeks ago.
They said he played in Korea at the height of Sombra, so he gained a sixth sense of sniffing out and finding sombra players
I dare say it carries over to the rest of his play.
tardy isle
Gladiators got this
pearl stratus
Dallas spelling bee for today is going to be the word "prolapse"
tardy isle
New York playoff choking + two losses to atlanta?
Ez
echo quest
Even though owl has its production issues it’s nowhere near as bad as Leagues
Fuck riot
karmic grotto
echo quest
They have an issue that won’t let the players select champions lmaooo
minor flame
Bee
Yknow for all the shit league gets
They literally have the most production value in their esports
hidden vault
Architect Striker Smurf can fill their counterpart's shoes
But not Nevix
And no one wants a Swedish dva right now
trim shadow
As much as i like jayne and aero
Theyll only take a map off vancouver
Theres one team i wont bet against
Thats twilight
sullen berry
With as much staff as they have
They've broken the Seoul dynasty Comp that included fleta
And more importantly
Was a risk of having fissure on the starting roster
hidden vault
I argue that fuel has more extra players then shock lol
Sorry was replying to a comment far above
sullen berry
Do you really think taimou Mickie and harryhook can make up for one Hooreg?
hidden vault
Why did they pick Hooreg in the 1st place
sullen berry
You'd think they would keep him on Runaway
hidden vault
Taimou Mickie Harryhook is part of the now defunct EnvyOthers
sullen berry
Turns out KR contenders doesn't work on veteran players
Rosters from Meta gaming and the spitfire teams brought as much of their team over
EnVyOut
Anyways, to properly answer your question
Shock is more competent doing player swaps between stages because of the fluid roster philosophy
hidden vault
Nevix is the only player I don't see them play
Fluid Roster allows for "accidents"
Like philly who did badly when boombox was sick
Had to fill in elk
No problem for shock if any of the dps are sick or super in that case
But they don't have a back up support and off tank
wide jewel
Gla3-2Nye
little silo
Nevix is a decent backup Dva for Choi but Choi is just way better
wide jewel
Id say Gladiators beat ny, vancouver beats fuel, Shock beats spark, vancouver beats gladiators, and shock takes it all
4-3
wide jewel
On a scale from 1-10, Nevix would be a 6, Choi a 8 or 9 perhaps
New york keeps sandbagging kappa
I hope gladiators have practiced and watched atlanta's playstyle to roll them
little silo
Id say Nevix is a 7 and Choi a 9
tardy isle
My calls were
Sfs 3-0 Shanghai
London 3-1 Spark
Gladiators 3-2 NYE
Titans 3-0 Dallas
Sfs 4-0 london
Titans 4-0 Gladiators
Titans 4-3 Sfs
little silo
Yeah
wide jewel
Shields up man
wide jewel
yeh
little silo
NY havent looked good lately might be mental boomed and they might have playoff choking hazards
wide jewel
Im literally at school talking here LUL
little silo
First game at 3am...
little silo
Nice
tardy isle
might have playoff choking hazards
Didn’t they drop the ball four consecutive playoffs where most analysts gave them the win
little silo
I dont get why they want another offtank when they have Space but nice
I know but that doesnt guarantee another choke
So Fate to the Mayhem?
balmy wolf
Fate went to mayhem
tardy isle
They’re totally gonna choke
Sandbag op
little silo
If Mayhem just get a better offtank their roster would be pretty decent
If they dont choke I blame you
balmy wolf
Looks like LA are going full western
little silo
Kariv and Izayaki?
shax is a dps i think
I wonder if FCTFCTN is gonna start or Kuki
who am I kidding it wont be Kuki
trim shadow
Mcgravy?
But but space
Oh And factfiction?
Western la
AND SHAX?
But no asking hmm fuck you valiant
minor flame
Shanghai and Spark
sullen berry
Pffft
minor flame
My kids
sullen berry
Mayhem is going to pop off
limber pine
McGravy originally was a dps no
minor flame
They havent disappointed me yet
sullen berry
With some caveats ofc
sullen berry
Nono Shanghai is the bad one
minor flame
Isnt he flex tank?
limber pine
he is now
limber pine
he played Dva on Florida
sullen berry
They've redeemed themselves, but I'm only ever giving them tough love 
minor flame
All I want now
trim shadow
So where would they move Mcgravy?
little silo
Shanghai are great
trim shadow
I like factfiction being picked up cause he had some great moments on rein
minor flame
Shanghai is a real contender for the top of mid tier teams
little silo
remember when he was benched for Muma
trim shadow
But why is cloneman Lulsish numlocked and gator being ignored?
limber pine
mcgravy is already in LA (probably)
minor flame
What
pearl stratus
That's actually a good signing overall.
little silo
They dont have visa issues I guess
pearl stratus
Also you will NOT see many out of the US signings.
It's a waste of a teams time.
The Visa process is too long.
pearl stratus
If you're signing someone outside the US, you're signing them for next season
Not this one
McGravy could, theoretically, do that Dding type of flex on LAV.
Where its a dps flex with OT.
trim shadow
Thats if goats is still the main meta and blizzard doesnt drop another patch
This could be goats signing
pearl stratus
Hopefully Space isn't going anywhere though, because either way its a downgrasde.
trim shadow
Cause factfiction was one of the best reins in contenders
And i dont remember anything about shax
So does that mean fate to florida btw?
trim shadow
I mean fate over swon?
any day
And at least fate gets around a korean enviroment
But i doubt fate alone will help florida
little silo
they need a better main support and offtank and then they could be midtier
pearl stratus
Fate seemed to have really wanted all Korean anyway.
So with all the Moon Korean drama from LAV I'm pretty sure I called Fate going away eventually.
So now LAV has FCTFCTN and Kuki they can use at Main Tank.
Space and McGravy on OT.
Shax actually plays a good Zarya.
trim shadow
Florida needs to be cleaned out
top to bottom
Coaches
Players
Staff
Basically a shanghai
nova wadi
Damn fate
minor flame
Wait they traded Fate to Florida?
sullen berry
Fate to mayhem
minor flame
Thats quite a bruh moment
sullen berry
Now that's a breakthrough since gamsu Shanghai
They'll be a real middle of the pack threat
Imagine all those free wins made a lot harder by one main tank
sullen berry
You wonder if FCTFCTN is ready to redeem himself
minor flame
FCTFCTN two tricks zarya dva?
sullen berry
They might have something, but it's honestly unlikely right now
minor flame
Or is he like
sullen berry
He Winstons
minor flame
Huh
trim shadow
They traded fate for mcgravy @minor flame
minor flame
Ok
trim shadow
So mcgravy is probably dps
sullen berry
At least we hope we get more throwing Winston like in USA v SK match in 2017
balmy wolf
Shax is probs gonna start over ksf
trim shadow
Seeing as trading space is suicide
fuck i forgot about izayaki
Shax is main support or Flex?
minor flame
Shax?
trim shadow
minor flame
Wait theres still more ppl?
trim shadow
@minor flame
minor flame
Yeah I fuckin saw it already
trim shadow
Its factfiction -> main tank mcgravy ->? Shax -> support
balmy wolf
Shax is dps
trim shadow
i couldve sworn i seen that bugger playing lucio in playoffs
sullen berry
Shax Vs Shaz
minor flame
Is shax better than ksf?
pearl stratus
Shax is a better Zarya.
sullen berry
Could you ask for a better support 1v1
pearl stratus
Not an overall better DPS.
sullen berry
/s
pearl stratus
Uh.
sullen berry
KSF improved
sullen berry
At least I get the impression they won't be benching for goats
pearl stratus
So we could see Agilities being benched.
trim shadow
So la could be going
sullen berry
Space McGravy 🤔
trim shadow
Fctfcition space izayakai/kariv Shax Ksf mcgravy?
pearl stratus
We'll see if Space goes anywhere, I doubt it but yeah.
minor flame
LAV really changing here
pearl stratus
Kariv will outstart Izayaki until they get better coaches.
Izayaki bots out too much on ults/clutch.
trim shadow
If theyre trading space and putting mcgravy on dva that is a one way ticket another winless stage
pearl stratus
Kariv frags less, but its a lot more reliable.
sullen berry
Valiant season was more like Guangzhou without tank subs coming into the season (that had a lot of potential but didn't deliver)
minor flame
Surprised Guangzhou is still the same comp
trim shadow
The bottom needs to avoid goats against the mid table and top teams
minor flame
Roster
sullen berry
When happy was sick,they locked Eileen and Kyb
trim shadow
And like kyb to a extent
sullen berry
No choice it seems until now they can bring in Nero
sullen berry
Hell never be subbed out in the roster but Nero is a decent hitscan as much as kyb
I want to see more of that insane roadhog hook
Chara is the Korean Kruise
minor flame
I wanna see more Eileenfist
sullen berry
A shot caller
sullen berry
And that never changes
Even for Paris
Suits the charge name quite nicely
But they don't have to take it literally and will still play quite slower paced for that sweet ult charge
Eileen having none of that
sullen berry
Smh
trim shadow
its tier 3 overwatch god dammit
trim shadow
On the level of open division
sullen berry
Imagine me caring beyond pacific division teams and contenders pacific/aus
That's enough for me to monitor
trim shadow
Atlantic and pacific showdown should be renamed to goats showdown
minor flame
Everyone plays it cause its so safe
trim shadow
I am looking forward to all stars
minor flame
Not enough doom goats
sullen berry
I don't imply bunker will do either
minor flame
Honestly doom goats should exist
trim shadow
cause all this goats is making me want to kill myself
balmy wolf
Xl2 did doom goats in contenders finals
balmy wolf
But lost
sullen berry
Contenders China used Doom as THE meta counter
balmy wolf
Since doom goats is bad at defence
sullen berry
That doesn't mean he can be used as often as 3:3
sullen berry
You need enough tank material to do it too
trim shadow
Ofc
sullen berry
Look at carpe
sullen berry
When he isn't saving the very last point in mediocre fashion
minor flame
Doom Goats is a escort go to
sullen berry
He can really wreck in kings row point B
trim shadow
The pharah goats from shanghai is a start
minor flame
Ofc you could do phargoats
trim shadow
Still map dependant
minor flame
Sombra Goats although you can only win one way
3 dps
Is the most difficult in pro play
sullen berry
Thinking back to pacific showdown on escort
minor flame
Mechanical demands blended in with teamwork
sullen berry
5dps + mercy
sullen berry
Definition of ladder comp if iever seen it
sullen berry
Can't turn down Chinese food, why not Chinese metas?
minor flame
T3 is a bunch of low tier pussies thats why
sullen berry
Goats existed because of T3 Ninjas in pyjamas
sullen berry
Think of it as tribute because nobody can be original or take the risks
Broadly sweeping statement though
sullen berry
Just need to look deeper into the scene
minor flame
Cause its the most safe
sullen berry
Guys imagine if playing heroes that you were good at was all they had to do
Dallas versus dive season 1 might have worked in their favour throwing up the anti dove comps
minor flame
Basically classic envyus
sullen berry
Their season is a shining example of what Goats has done now to teams who are not capable of pulling it off against the top 3 teams
Classic envyus was banned before owl
No duplicate heroes
😫
minor flame
Its difficult when all the top teams though
Individually are the most consistent players
minor flame
That enable such a carry performance
trim shadow
We have a explanation
MCGRAVY AS FLEX TANK?
Why?
Also all theese players are from florida btw
sullen berry
Literally what you call dva
Seeing as they aren't saying that
I guess he'll be their hotba and go dps
sullen berry
That fissure dude isn't doing much
If they still have deep pockets even now to afford another player
trim shadow
sullen berry
Why not is my question, when all the alternatives are cheaper contenders players or someone worse in the league
little silo
maybe axxiom
little silo
Trill would make sense for them but Dallas just promoted him to the bench
balmy wolf
Unless oge decides to quit then trill is will be on the bench for a while
sullen berry
I'd rather see him in the playoffs match to throw a literal wrecking ball into their chances for nice vod reviews
balmy wolf
Trill is still a good pick up tho
little silo
Yeah but OGE is just better rn
trim shadow
If i see trill on stage tonight im gonna lose it
little silo
Tri
sullen berry
I wouldn't be disappointed if they can bring him in
little silo
I dont think they will in a stage playoff
sullen berry
Does Dallas not have two way players?
little silo
The pressure on Trill would be immense
little silo
"Yo dude go out there and face those Titan guys. This is just an all or nothing situation no worries"
little silo
I want Bumper to play dps in stage playoffs
sullen berry
Trill's wrecking ball in pacific contenders was a good chortle
More amusement they kept playing him on wrecking ball in unfavourable team fights
sullen berry
Yeah
I thought zacharee was at the start and moved up
Trill you would think would remain as two way
But they definitely have plans to basically trial their first AU contenders player up to T1
I want to see Akraken make it happen
minor flame
Fahzix got kicked out of the Washington House cause they had to make room for Ark
Big fucking yikes
sullen berry
But unfortunately Sydney drop bears didn't make it
Oof
I didn't get why Fahzix didn't have a place on the roster with their new makeup
They made it Corey and the House for a week
balmy wolf
Rip fahzix
sullen berry
And they got Sleepy in ready to remedy it
balmy wolf
Probs gonna be dropped at the end of the season
sullen berry
Inactive rosters be weird
sullen berry
Pennsylvania iirc
It came up on twitter
Wholesome support from his family and friends who probably knew as much about esports as they knew how to turn on a computer
balmy wolf
Well that was a short lived career
sullen berry
Look at FCTFCTN
his got revived
At least it wasn't by the Outlaws
twitter is going to keep rolling in sponsors to throw in a logo after their hashtags
copper solstice
Tviq is still up
echo quest
Fate to Mayhem is pog for them
Fate on his absolute worst days is still Better than swon
I still don’t understand why LAV got fctfctn
That’s a big downgrade from Fate
limber pine
but is he better than Kuki
limber pine
then there you go
echo quest
Still Mayhem needs to find another dva other than xepher
Surprised Toronto didn’t offer cash for fate
copper solstice
Also that means with FCTFCTN it means they will have a English tank too.
pearl stratus
People are downplaying issues as a causality to losing on the team though
echo quest
Fate is fluent in English communication wasn’t the problem
pearl stratus
If Fate wasn't meshing, and was causing issues with the LAV Korean/Western divide
echo quest
^
pearl stratus
He could be sucking jesus off like a gogurt
It doesn't matter
Replacing him can still get better results
echo quest
It’s a win for Florida
echo quest
But downgrade in mechanical skill
pearl stratus
You don't need a good tank if you have cohesion.
Look at Vancouver.
Bumper mechanically is a fucking potato 85% of the time.
But their team synergy is insane.
People put to much emphasis on 1:1 swaps.
When its realistically 1:6.
Especially when you're not in DPS metas.
So that 1:1 skill doesn't translate, you can't cover your shit players by having a different one pop off.
Cohesion > Individual Skill