What stats just Agill get?
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hidden vault
So what's the problem with lav?
hidden vault
Moon's sucky coaching?
vale pond
yes
hidden vault
Moon's sucky coaching also got them to play offs last year
trim shadow
But didnt get them to playoffs this year
Or get them a win
And his coaching style is team orianted
But couldnt connect a team orianted meta
lean crane
I don't have pass but I never getting any tokens
I connected my account with twitch tho
gaunt acorn
if your twitch is linked to your battle.net, you should get 3 tokens for every 1 hour watched
perhaps your country is not eligible
quite a few countries aren't
lean crane
Ohh
supple prism
upper niche
Goddanmit, I just realised that my OWL calendar tool isn't updating because my Dyndns account expired lol.
I'm in the process of deploying my own dyndns stuff on Amazon EC2 but haven't got it done yet, oops :/
minor flame
huh
a new main tank
when OGE is arguably your best player
just sign a new flex dps already
damn
supple prism
speculation is that he is probably just to be sold
or keep from other teams from picking him up, who knows
vagrant cargo
He got kicked @little silo
@hidden vault the Problem with Valiant was that Fate and Custa Had internal probelms
Problems*
Fate also wanted to move more and more in a full korean direction
And moon decided to Go with Fate instead of custa
hidden vault
cedar drum
Wtff
I am seeing people speculate on Reddit that Trill got promoted to Main roster cause OGE might be getting traded or might be retiring to switch to a different career path...
echo quest
@supple prism why would they sell OGE lol? They would play an inferior main tank
cedar drum
I would understand if he wants to move away from pro OWL and go do something else but I really hope Dallas isn't thinking of trading him, dudes straight up a top 3 main tank and the 100-200K they might make from his trade won't be worth the brand value they'll lose after trading him
echo quest
Having a backup isn’t bad. Besides they can play him against weaker teams and if he’s good sell him in the off season
cedar drum
@echo quest Yeah, that's one theory, they promoted him to main roster cause a bunch of teams were interested in him, now they wanna drive up the price by bringing him into OWL and winning a couple of games with him.
echo quest
True
cedar drum
I just really hope they aren't trading OGE
To make some quick money
I'm sure trill is good and all
But OGE is a top 3 main tank and surely brings in a lot of money for DF because of his personality and fan following.
little silo
after the cheers he got at the homestand I dont think they will sell him
hidden vault
Dallas traded rck away
They traded custa away for unkoe (which turned out to be great this season)
You never know what 200iq stuff dallas is doing
minor flame
Thry traded custa away for unkoe that didnt turn out to be anything until season 2
slender lance
im more suprised the old envyus boys havent retired
echo quest
@hidden vault it was a smart decision. Dallas wanted a better dva and Boston needed a more flexible off tank
Dallas trading or selling their best player would be the most dumbass decision they ever made
red dust
This season sucks because I like the 
pearl stratus
I mean I could see OGE wanting to leave.
But it'd be to join a good team.
And not stay on Dumpster Fire.
red dust
I thought they were going to be better
red dust
Idk I was hoping for better from them
echo quest
They are 6th wdym lul
limber pine
everybody in preseason projections had them in the bottom half of the league , and they're 6th
echo quest
They only have one superstar player in OGE...
green mica
red dust
Ok I just lost track is all possibly
hidden vault
@echo quest why wouldn't dallas want a more flexible dva?
limber pine
because akm runs their sombra
hidden vault
They have closer too
limber pine
akm/zach
echo quest
Closer is a support lol
hidden vault
I mean super star
echo quest
He isn’t a top 5 support
hidden vault
Unkoe is one of the best zens
echo quest
He isn’t top 5
hidden vault
Well he is supposed to be one of the best zens
I just got a crazy idea
Lmao
Trade oge with fissure
echo quest
Tf....
echo quest
You do know why fissure left lag right?
echo quest
He wanted all Korean
echo quest
Why would you want to trade OGE lmao
hidden vault
Cause he wants to go to a better team isn't it?
If you are dallas and wanna fufill it?
trim shadow
We all know dallas in a dps meta will be shaky
They can run goats
cause u have theese sleeper gods in unkoe and closer
And theese improving tank players in oge and note
Even tho note has always been a beast
But when it comes to zach and akm
And effect retiring
Dallas only way of winning is thru goats
Almost ALMOST like vancouver
But thats why they have haksal and stitch
hidden vault
Refer to what Endoken said
Could see him
I know it's just a guess
And akm is also pretty great
trim shadow
I do like oge getting traded..but if goats is the main meta going into stage 3 they need oge and note
Trill is definetly a owl ready main tank player
But if they wanted to give oge away for a rookie its a death sentence..idk how trill will adapt to owl
limber pine
Isn't Trill's Wrecking Ball really good?
hidden vault
Why do you like oge to get traded?
trim shadow
Cause of the rumors its to toronto
And out of all teams that needs a main tank
Its toronto
Cause yakpung is not doing it
hidden vault
What will happen to yakpung?
trim shadow
I mean fusions hes a great leader
Hes a motor mouth from the time he sits down to the time he leaves
But as of late hes been a average rein
hidden vault
I think axxiom is better tho
trim shadow
Nd his winston isnt impressive
minor flame
Fusions is p much bostons best player
trim shadow
Outside of colourhex when he gets widow in his hands
Its already amazing boston is middle of the pack
When they were predicted to be bottom 5
but never bet against boston
laughs in washington reverse sweep
Reverse sweep the reverse sweep
hidden vault
Some teams are the bottom are supposed to do well tho
How is Janus and Ark holding washington up?
trim shadow
Its ark and sleepy
There enabling janus a little
Nd hes kinda improving
Oo fuck grand finals are on my birthday
trim shadow
He was bad
hidden vault
They just need one more dps player from nyxl
echo quest
Flow3r
hidden vault
Just like sbb and pine
Unless they take up Washington's offer
And quite obvious they are looking for more benches
little silo
Janus hasnt been impressive this season
ik thats mainly because of the Justice but still
minor flame
Janus slowly improving
Ado and Corey also showing some progress
Sleepy and Ark really keep the team up
ruby pendant
@minor flame nah, think aimg contributes the same as fusions at least.
minor flame
AimGod contributes individually but he cant top Fusions shotcalling
hidden vault
You are missing one player lol
vagrant cargo
Fusions is overrated af
minor flame
Individually?
vagrant cargo
In General
He is good
But by far not bostons best player
Aimgod is definetely their best player
minor flame
Ehh
vagrant cargo
He often plays way to aggresive
And is a rein onetrick tbh
His Winston and Hammond havent been great so far
echo quest
Wow jjanu and SeoMinSoo didn’t even make it
Wait did they just choose a player from every team?
Wtf libero didn’t even make it Jesus Christ
trim shadow
The reserves are coach selected i think
limber pine
honestly, I don't think libero has been that impressive
he's certainly been overshadowed by Nenne
trim shadow
Overshadowed is a understatement
balmy ledge
little silo
spark vs spitfire is such an interesting match because I honestly cant say who will win
atomic flame
I'd take LDN
trim shadow
hangzhou 75%
jagged crater
where is pine gonna go
little silo
idk if philly will even make season playoffs at this point
Imagine not going to the finals in your arena
oh wait that happened last year
tawny sigil
You know we're not seeing nyxel vs titan till end season
trim shadow
its a sports curse
mainly seen in american football
@tawny sigil theres a possibly well see them this week
tawny sigil
yeah you know nixel is gonna choke or some shit
slender lance
They'll probably just rebrand as another name
echo quest
Yuh
supple prism
i didnt say sell OGE, i said sell Trill
vale pond
people on r/cow are losing their shit over dogman getting picked for allstars
vale pond
I feel like hes a pretty likeable guy
the house tour was cringy but that was more the sponsorship shit
seeing him on watchpoint was interesting
limber pine
r/cow should be more concerned about Pine getting into allstars
literally hasn't played a single second this season
fervent finch
big oof for pine, not even touching a keyboard and mouse on the stage
that must be rough for him
but, you can't really do anything because he's playing Widow and dps in a meta where dps isn't really big
trim shadow
im sure hes been practicing off stage
slow walrus
Running sombra or quad dps is a crutch that is completely map dependent
Sombra isnt even map dependent when she's in goats
Having pine (and flow3r) is kinda useless rn
swift moth
^
you can try to bring them in on certain maps, but in the end what you may be forced to do is surefour dva
torpid charm
@gaunt acorn going to grand finals? 
upper niche
Shame I can't really afford to travel this year, I wouldn't mind going to Philly for something like that.
slender lance
Nyxl have 2 dps that are basically one tricks and one that is meh on the bench
They could just trade/sell them
gaunt acorn
unfortunately philly is quite far
last time i went, it wasn't cheap
would be nice to see the titans win it live, though 
upper niche
So... 2-2-2 for Stage 3, maaaayyyybe?
tardy isle
ngl my biggest let down of All Star roster was no Linkzer
tardy isle
I'd loved to have seen Michelle too, but he isn't really as popular as other players
analog lark
I love verbo, I was sad he wasn't coming back for season 2
trim shadow
your overwatch leaked 2-2-2 or role lock i think
upper niche
I didn't realise til much later who the source was (Rod), so yeah, I'd believe it.
Which reminds me: This will never cease to be hilarious (and true): https://twitter.com/slasher/status/973649012451659779
Twitter
fresh epoch
2-2-2 lock will be amazing in OWL 
vale pond
No it wouldnt be
gaunt acorn
brig 
echo quest
@vale pond that made a rule where they picked one from each team
limber pine
Brig, all off tanks not named Dva, Sombra, Moira
fresh epoch
@limber pine Brig will be balanced around 2-2-2 then. it's what jeff already said, here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgOjeYYLXI4
limber pine
Yes I’m aware of what he said
limber pine
You still are going to have a large portion who are unplayable in 2-2-2
You’d see double sniper and Winston dive and that’s it
balmy wolf
mercy
fresh epoch
@limber pine did you see this? https://www.twitch.tv/videos/421892585?t=01h31m04s
limber pine
Yes
balmy wolf
to tell you again that rolelock sounds incredibly stupid
👀hasnt this season the highest amount of different heroes played?
fresh epoch
Sorry i'm just way too hyped for owl to become what it was before brig came out. where u have these exciting moments every game, not just when they press the Q button.
limber pine
Stage 4 last year had the best diversity I think
fresh epoch
@balmy wolf u trolling me? xD i showed you the stats!
balmy wolf
we had dive 2 years
limber pine
^
balmy wolf
and i told you why its trash
balmy wolf
it compares from one week to the next thats pretty nonsaying stats
fresh epoch
@limber pine to be honest i dont have any stats in my head but i agree it was prob always dva winston. and genji tracer. until brig came out at the end of season 1 was it right?
fresh epoch
@limber pine u remember when brig came out and some teams thought they could play genji tracer against it?
limber pine
Yup
Back when brig had a 150 damage combo
On a 6 second cool down
I think we’d lose Hero uniqueness if everybody is balanced in the 2-2-2
But that’s just my opinion
balmy wolf
ppl are to obsessed with 222 imo
slender lance
i dont think that we need 222
they just need to buff other heroes to make goats the non dominant comp
a lot of people wanna see dps in owl but once that happens every team will probably play the same comp still
minor flame
Making a comp non dom is very difficult
Without some big changes, the highest skill of owl will be goats
Cause it requires such high precision only pros have
trim shadow
swift moth
getting 3 - 0ed by shock 🙁
limber pine
just realized the Spark made the playoffs with a -1 map differencial
wintry kraken
times of playoff first rounds are so friendly to EU people
3AM and 5AM games, congrats
limber pine
same times they were last stage
minor flame
All of Sparks wins
Were 3-2s
Excwpt for Chengdu and Seoul
Imagine 3-2ing Paris but destroying Seoul
limber pine
ikr
little silo
mainly because they subbed adora in for some reason
they won the maps with krystal and lost the ones where adora played
if they dont pull that shit in playoffs they might beat London
minor flame
Adora played actually decent in the Seoul match
But I dont see any reason to still sub out Krystal
little silo
Against Seoul yes but Seoul wasnt looking that good
And Krystal is better in every way (except for comms maybe)
swift moth
spark has some insane art
analog lark
Yep
It's partially why they're so popular
Their marketing is top notch
I was bought over
minor flame
Caitlin
pearl stratus
I like more that Spark doing that made so much of the league do it too.
So we get little cartoon offs with some of the teams
little silo
I wonder how Seoul are gonna incorporate Highly and Illicit into their roster
little silo
Who knows
trim shadow
I think hangzhou started the trend of pre game posters
Vancouvers have been 👌🏽
And after every win theyve eaten there opponent
little silo
Hangzhou started it yes
trim shadow
They fuckinf quenched dallas
little silo
Gladiators have good post match graphics too
trim shadow
note londons mascot is a plane
Out of a dragon a primordial a jack in the box and lucio
Also like how new yorks mascot is that big green lady
Lady liverty
Liberty*
tardy isle
I didn’t even know new york had a mascot
Real question
Charge shock spark
What are theirs’
Also I doubt that Seoul would not not use players they have, but I don’t think the core roster will change
little silo
New York dont have a mascot thats just what Spark imagined for them
Seoul would not use players they have... like Fissure Jecse Fleta and Zunba?
with highly and illicit they would have a full second roster
maybe thats their plan
minor flame
Spark makes mascots
No team is really mascotish
Its more symbol
Intentionally nerfing goats further has a risk of hurting the entirety of tanks and supports
Furthering the 3 dps meta
The best nerf I wanna say is to reduce zaryas dmg or scaling dmg
Preferably just scaling dmg
red dust
Why it's not that annoying
minor flame
Zarya has very high dmg
red dust
Well she requires a lot of skill to time the bubble
red dust
So I see no need for a nerf
minor flame
Thats usually why Zarya is the essential core in goats
Shes the most ranged dmg
Also I think Zarya has a bit overtuned dmg overall anyway
red dust
Well at least a tiny tiny nerf
little silo
Maybe 150-170dmg/s at 100 energy instead of 190
minor flame
160 is nice
fresh epoch
Well I want that as well but only if we don't get Major changes before stage 3 
trim shadow
Philly has a mascot
A actuall mascot
Hes in all of phildelphia sports
Philadelphia?
mint flower
trim shadow
Yes
fallen cloak
spitfire game is at 6 am, its currently 9 pm...
do i wait it out
or get some sleep like a normal fucking person
sullen berry
Watchpoint 6 hrs away
I'm at work, the boss is making his rounds at our office so probably going to watch matches live tomorrow
I look forward to a surprise
But today's chances are very low even for spark
fallen cloak
hold on
how did shd make playoffs lol
theyre gonna get destroyed by shock
im just gonna put my predictions here
SHD-Lose-4-0
little silo
honestly london vs spark could go either way
fallen cloak
Spark Lose 2-3
little silo
is it bo5 or bo7
minor flame
Bo5
fallen cloak
will nyxl choke again?
little silo
i hope they do
minor flame
London is on and off
And Spark even though can be on and off
Is nearly on the same level as London
little silo
spark has looked good recently
supple prism
little silo
i hope glads win because theyre my favorite team
trim shadow
So basically after watching akshons video
A good chunk of pros supports locked 2-2-2
Espect like chara and probably other koreans
minor flame
Wdym
little silo
well it makes their career more stable
minor flame
Pro supports locked 2-2-2?
trim shadow
Zachare sounds like hes in favor
minor flame
Ofc he is
trim shadow
Linkzir was kinda in favor
little silo
what a surprise
minor flame
Hes on brig
trim shadow
Corey was
trim shadow
Chara wasnt
trim shadow
Babybay is isnt in favor
little silo
everyone who is bad at goats heroes wwants 2-2-2 got it
sleek zephyr
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553366673546149908/576115099048345601/unknown.png
Contenders material btw
minor flame
Surveying doesnt do shit
little silo
winnable for them
minor flame
The ppl who dont suffer from role lock from their main favors 222
The ppl who dont usually dont
trim shadow
And i quite
trim shadow
Nus : well see genji dva again
minor flame
Im not gonna get opinions validated if all the pros are biased
trim shadow
Yes
minor flame
Nus is the London Lucio
trim shadow
@minor flame goto akshon esports yourube and watch it in full context
minor flame
I know Akshon
trim shadow
Why does baby keep saying what blizzard wants
He doesnt remember when quickplay had no hero lock
minor flame
Babybay : has different opinion
little silo
because they provide him with his dream job
minor flame
"Wow paid lmao"
little silo
and can have opinions
minor flame
Pros are always gonna be biased with 2-2-2
trim shadow
Baby is letting the money and the girls make him biased
minor flame
Just because theyre not on the main
trim shadow
Cause jeff said the game is balanced
little silo
everyone gets paid dude
minor flame
98% of the game isnt even goats too
Its pretty balanced at this point
Way better than most early verz
minor flame
People saying they miss season 1 like season 1 is fucking garbage
trim shadow
Im biased as well
supple prism
its not about balance, its about how the matchmaking works vs how the players play
trim shadow
I wanna see what theese dps gods are made of
little silo
matchmaking is kinda trash ill give you that
trim shadow
So i support 2-2-2 in owl..and slasher said that 2-2/2 will goto owl first before to@the public
little silo
we have seen some dps play
trim shadow
Like the world cup viewer is already in teams hands
supple prism
slasher didnt say that
trim shadow
Before we get it
supple prism
slasher said drastic changes are coming and it might hit OWL first
trim shadow
2/2/2
supple prism
no one said role queue
minor flame
Dont jump the gun on that shit
supple prism
and monte hinted that stage 3 will in some way allow dps players to play dps
trim shadow
Jayne : Supposedly in stage 3 teams will have world cup viewer
supple prism
yea
little silo
they can announce whenever
minor flame
Either way, Im not in for 2/2/2 even if its just in OWL
supple prism
it could be a solution to the real issue that works out better than role queue
minor flame
Because snipers rn are most powerful
little silo
might announce it during allstar weekend
trim shadow
It wont just be in owl itll probably be there for testing
minor flame
And it just becomes a sniper meta like season 1
little silo
oh god i will see even more double sniper on my comp teams
minor flame
Cant trust pros just because theyre pros
They dont make opinions more valid
Most of them are very biased
supple prism
all i know is that devs are divided on role queue but they certainly dont like 4-1-1
trim shadow
At this point and as more heros pour into ow role que is gonna have to happen
minor flame
Hammons is the brig of 4-1'1
supple prism
sniper or mobile heroes
trim shadow
Just look at leauge of@legends and there role que
fast ember
role queu limits design space quite a bit
minor flame
Wow compare League
League and OW are so diff
League dowsnt rely on the teams as much as OW
supple prism
but im still firmly on the belief that fillers are the issue
minor flame
League has legends that arent as distinct as OW
And on top of all
League has like 100 legends
trim shadow
@fast ember litterally said old ow was 3 winstons and 3 reapers
@minor flame point and case
As the roster expands
fast ember
When did i say that
fast ember
ah
little silo
2-2-2 would render quite a few heroes useless
minor flame
2-2-2 ruins balancing for some heroes
supple prism
we already have useless heroes
minor flame
Like what
fast ember
strict 2-2-2 leads to issues with double off tank and double off-support roles being picked
supple prism
well had
fast ember
if anything we know people don't like to main tank on average
minor flame
2-2-2 wont fix ladder problems too
supple prism
and they rebalanced them and they can rebalance again
minor flame
????
little silo
ladder problems will always exist
trim shadow
And transporting people to high ground
minor flame
Torb and Symm are pretty useful
fast ember
torb isn't useless lol
supple prism
whats the ladder problems?
minor flame
Torb is really good
little silo
its not the game its the playerbase for ladder play
fast ember
he's been highlighted in a couple pro bunker comps
trim shadow
ON LADDER
minor flame
Ladder problems is the fact that the playerbase exists
Torb is really good on ladder
fast ember
multiple streamers play torb on ladder regularly enough
minor flame
Symm is niche
trim shadow
sigh
supple prism
yea, fine on ladder, not so much in OWL
fast ember
what you mean to say is that torb is a bad pick vs certain comps and in the wrong hands
like most heroes
vagrant cargo
CV going to contenders pogU
little silo
i wonder if they will stay 1tricks
lyric field
do reruns give you tokens, or not?
trim shadow
No @lyric field
tardy isle
I could appreciate watching forced 222
but playing forced 222 would mean being forced to specialize in one role, and I'd be very sad
balmy wolf
222 would be less diverse than currently
echo quest
Honestly they need to make more heroes viable
limber pine
There's no magic button for that tho
echo quest
True
trim shadow
Tbh heros viability are determined by kit situations and overal power creep..and the community
balmy wolf
as of right now
almost every single dps is viable
every single tank is viable
and all but the lowest skill required healers are viable
idk what more you want
well actually, not rein/zarya (outside goats)
quad dps has like the most varied form ive ever seen
cobalt hornet
next match when
trim shadow
next match is today at 9
fresh epoch
@tardy isle why one role? you will be able to play all roles you like. Just not switch during a match!
This just came out a few hours ago!
tardy isle
I haven’t seen that will look
But a lot of the ones I’ve read about the idea were it being automated
fresh epoch
We will find out how they plan on doing it soon there are pretty good indicators that it will soon come and for OWL first.
It almost feels staged all these interviews and rumors before it comes out, guess they know the backlash might be big.
trim shadow
Monte also hinted at it saying link could play dps in stage 3 soon
idle beacon
honest question .. is the cs:go esports more professionally organised than the owl ?
whole mulch
I don't watch it so I don't know, but it's definitely wayyyy bigger
idle beacon
OR .. is it more established here in europe?
whole mulch
CSGO is way more established in europe than OW is
tardy isle
OWL doesn’t have much european representation
idle beacon
i am watching an esports magazine/docu on german tv here
tardy isle
Just Paris and London I think?
idle beacon
they're reporting about csgo, cod, dota, LoL tournaments
NO overwatch at all (which pisses me off, tbh)
tardy isle
There’s 4-5 asian teams and one in canada
And then there’s america
copper solstice
two canada
whole mulch
CSGO tournaments get like a million live viewers
tardy isle
Vancouver and?
copper solstice
Toronto is canada
tardy isle
OH
whole mulch
just from like EU/NA
whole mulch
OWL gets 100k-ish
idle beacon
well there is some contenders finals or so in krefeld/germany soon
whole mulch
Did you guys see that CSGO tournament
where OW contenders was next door
and they all shouted "Fuck overwatch"
copper solstice
Yeah
idle beacon
no wonder europe isn't big in ow
whole mulch
copper solstice
australia is nuts
idle beacon
if eurpeans think like that
whole mulch
oh it was australia
copper solstice
They even sing bon jovi
whole mulch
"Fuck you overwatch fuck you"
Idk about asia but
in EU and NA csgo tournaments get like 10x the viewers of OWL
that's why they report it more often winston
idle beacon
4 million dollars per year .. for dota players?
idle beacon
they just said something like that on tv
idle beacon
sinatraa got bought for some 100k or so ?
whole mulch
Yes
idle beacon
let me google it fast
whole mulch
OWL players are not paid much
pearl stratus
We only know 2 salaries.
idle beacon
Kuro Takhasomi KuroKy $ 3.412.188 $ 2.161.260 (The International 2017)
idle beacon
is is what wiki says
pearl stratus
And yes, the international is the only real major DoTA tournament with a real prize pool for the winners. But thats not his salary, or anything close.
80% of his career winnings were made in that one year (out of 11 years playing)
So you're using an extreme outlier.
idle beacon
Der reichste Overwatch-Spieler: Jae-hee "Gesture" Hong
this is from september last year
some redbull news
gesture being the most paid player
Insgesamt erspielte er sich schon 234.293 US-Dolla
tardy isle
Most esports players make pretty solid salaries even without winning
idle beacon
@pearl stratus no NON star earns 4 million dollars in 11 years, so having the best year of his life isn't too bad 😃
tardy isle
They also tend to have very fragile contracts though
pearl stratus
Yes, but if you actual look through other years what he made?
tardy isle
Idk if that holds true for OWL but
pearl stratus
2008 - 123.34
2012 - $1,100.
Then he finally caught into a groove.
The biggest thing about non-salaried games is you get 2-3 teams that actually make money, everyone else kind of squanders.
And without giant outlier years you're looking at just as poor a player base as everything else.
But thats what people don't like to overall look at.
Also the earning websites never carry any salary information, so its never a worthwhile comparison.
Especially when we don't have public salaries.
tardy isle
According to the OWL wiki:
Overwatch League players, while on a team's contract, are paid an annual salary. In the first year, a player's salary was a minimum of US$50,000 set by the League. Additionally, the League offers players with health and retirement benefits, as well as housing and training support.
I’d say that’s pretty good 
pearl stratus
50k is meh.
Also only Boston is rumored to keep people around that level.
Most other teams are all rumored to be much higher.
But its not public so its all guessing.
tardy isle
look that’s my household income with two degreed working people
pearl stratus
Cali isn't a worthwhile comparison though
Since the biggest impact to their income doesn't exist.
Since they don't have to pay for housing etc.
So its a bit different.
It is still low, but when you remove Cost of Living its more than high enough.
whole mulch
That's true
pearl stratus
Also you'd have to do translations for where everyone actually live4s.
*lives
Because take like..
Alemao, on Boston.
Say he makes 50k US.
He's from Brazil, do the currency translation and he's well off, etc.
pearl stratus
It's higher than we think.
Because we all factor in rent and stuff.
If I got paid 50k with no rent?
idle beacon
i can't find an english version of that news
pearl stratus
That's a huge increase. That's basically paying me another 25k+ a year.
And thats the minimum.
But that being said.
Most teams are well above the minimum is the standard rumor, minus Boston.
But I used Alemao as an example for a reason
tardy isle
Could explain a bit about boston
pearl stratus
Rough estimation puts the top of the population in Brazil at 112k/yr.
So Alemao, playing video games, sits pretty high up in social earning in Brazil just from playing.
Average monthly salary for Brazil is something in the range of $700/mo.
At 50k a year the kids crushing it.
So its why the payments are always a contentious thing.
tardy isle
I’d estimate that also doesn’t factor if they win prize money too
pearl stratus
Since money is always relevant.
tardy isle
Since that’s salary
pearl stratus
It doesn't. And none of the websites that show earnings calibrate salary.
And in terms of bases so far OW is still on the upper end of minimums.
idle beacon
seems like redbull is darn deep involved in esports, eh?
whole mulch
Paladins is like the WNBA of Overwatch
whole mulch
Way less relevant than OW on the esports field
pearl stratus
I'm guessing everything will just be 1:1.
idle beacon
WNBA ?
tardy isle
Women’s NBA
pearl stratus
Riot just bumped their Salary to be taken more seriously.
tardy isle
I think
idle beacon
rofl
pearl stratus
League was 25k, they bumped it to 75k
idle beacon
there is a female nba going on?
minor flame
riot giving good salary to players but not employees
pearl stratus
I mean thats standard.
Not right.
Just standard.
Developers will always be treated and paid like shit. happens in every company.
tardy isle
Aren’t players funded by their organizations tho
Meaning different managers and different pay
pearl stratus
I'm actually expecting OWL, if it keeps going as is, to up their minimum salary in Season 3.
But either way, its a hard choice in pro gaming.
I'd personally want to be a salaried pro over a tournament pro.
whole mulch
Why does that site say Dyrus is an analyst
I've seen him play OW before but never knew he had anything to do with OW esports
idle beacon
seems to be a lil outdated
tardy isle
Didn’t ow world cup have some announcement recently btw
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swift moth
oh lol
tardy isle
Sfs 3-0 Shanghai
London 3-1 Spark
Gladiators 3-2 NYE
Titans 3-0 Dallas
Sfs 4-0 london
Titans 4-0 Gladiators
Titans 4-3 Sfs
That was my call for playoff
main trout
Rip Dafran lmao
vale pond
knowing them they'll win both games then proceed to go 0-5 for the rest of the stage
upper niche
Ugh, OWL/MLG really need to do something about real-time translation in questions and answers. Who wants to sit through a question, "can you repeat the question", a translation of the question, the answer in another language, then the answer translated to English? :/
vale pond
im37 vibes tho
trim shadow
Loving people overrating london again
upper niche
Overrating the premiership team. I mean yeah, why would they? 😄
vale pond
seoul is thats tru
main trout
They're still good. Chengdu is just hard to prepare for
minor flame
that is true
Chengdu has the one thing London doesnt have a thing for
a good pharmercy
vale pond
good yeah but they will lose to sfs
main trout
In the end can anyone really beat Vancouver or shock?
minor flame
each other?
main trout
it's no fun to predict shit
minor flame
lol
vale pond
shock has the best chance of beating van
minor flame
shd has the best chance beating shock
vale pond
nyxl has their heads tilted up their ass after losing twice to atl
glads are overrated tbh
minor flame
glads are just
incredibly inconsistent
theyre like
actual god awful first half
actual good second half
its like boston syndrome
main trout
They were integrating new people into the roster
there's bound to be some communication issues
Especially with such a split up team
main trout
Are you talking stage 1 or 2?
minor flame
2
main trout
I didn't actually watch the Glads Boston game. Were the glasds playing bad? or was it just boston being boston.
cerulean briar
mmm idk
cerulean briar
u think?
upbeat lake
nyxl always manage to choke in playoffs
cerulean briar
ik, but glads seem to be on a downwards trend
upbeat lake
not like excels
upbeat lake
exactly my point
which is why glads are gona win
mano and jjonak have been feeding their brains out recently
main trout
didn't blizzard nerf nyxl into the ground with the speed boost nerf
it doesn't mesh with their slow style
they can't peel for their supports or fall back as effectively
minor flame
its not that
their comms are like scuffed
their coordination is scuffed
everything about them recently have been scuffed
vale pond
atlanta is their kryptonite as well
upbeat lake
nope
upbeat lake
its mostly excels throwing
vale pond
the first loss could have been a fluke but the second was no excuse
upbeat lake
i watched the matched and jjonak and mano managed feed every fight
vale pond
its stupid to discredit a team simply because of muh nyxl
main trout
Atlanta is only good when they play ntyxl lmao
but fr atlanta did look really good in those matches
vale pond
daco looked rlly good
main trout
Frd didn't look bad eiter
vale pond
yoda grav eat
dogman has also seemed to have been coached a lot recently
he seems more in touch with the team now
and its paying off
upbeat lake
im just saying almost every team fight its 5v6
because either jjonak or mano got picked off early
main trout
Because they know who to pressure
main trout
They didn't win those matches solely on nyxl playing bad
upbeat lake
because excels are botting out
vale pond
thats not an explanation
they had their number the whole time
babybay explained it during oversight
it was p informative
they took advantage of their reliance on jjonak to pressure the tanks and split resources
main trout
I agree that nyxl doesn't look great
but atlanta also looks much better
next stage will be a real test on whether it was only against nyxl that they can play like that
vale pond
to be fair their first games are gonna be painful
they'll probably take maps but I dont see them winning the same way
main trout
Who do they play
vale pond
shock and titans back to back
vale pond
I honestly see them having a better chance beating titans than shock
main trout
maybe they'll be like Leffen in Smash Bros. He can only play well when he's playing good opponents
main trout
I think the titans have a better chance of discrediting them
main trout
i don't see either of them losing tho
vale pond
yeah
best case scenario is a hunters type situation where they style on them but still lose
in terms of head to head tanks are worse, dps are worse, flex supp is worse, masaa is probably only player that is better
main trout
I don't think masaa is better than slime
vale pond
in terms of ult usage he's worse
I think mechanically he is slightly better
at the very least its the smallest skill gap between the teams
main trout
Are you trying to say that the Titans and the Reign are on almost the same level? Because they are pretty far away
On paper they might be close
But in coordination titans are on another level
vale pond
I was talking masaa vs slime
main trout
oh okay
vale pond
titans is on another plane of reality
main trout
lmao i was shook
vale pond
reign is your average meme midtable team
atlantic's hunters is a good way of describing it
main trout
maybe
vale pond
ender of streaks
lose to valiant and gz
beat nyxl twice
time to beat shock and vancouver then lose the next 5 games
vale pond
ikr
I'm chill with it since their stage 4 schedule is v easy and they could probably make playoffs regardless
also meme team lol
pale sail
Upset let's go! 
main trout
Dude I will eat my teeth if they upset the Shcok
pale sail
They put up a fight last week, it's not impossible.
distant badger
I want to live in the world where they upset the shock
vale pond
my life is a meme as a dragons reign fan
distant badger
but I don't expect it
vale pond
nice banner
vale pond
lol
vagrant niche
dead crowd
vale pond
they're in shock
main trout
crickets
vale pond
lul
tawny sigil
what teamw as gamsu on i forget
vale pond
dragons
tawny sigil
before i mean
main trout
boston
tawny sigil
thought so
vale pond
sucky hook oof
night tusk
still no geguri...
pale sail
They're more confident with Sombra, but yeah, I dunno why she isn't playing Zarya for them.
night tusk
I think they should play mirror..
main trout
You are insan
night tusk
viol2t 1hp 
survives
vale pond
big brain grav